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CNN medical analyst suggests life 'needs to be hard' for unvaccinated Americans
Wen urged President Biden to get behind 'vaccine credentialing'
By Cortney O'Brien | Fox News
CNN medical contributor Dr. Leana Wen suggested Saturday that life needs to be "hard" for Americans who have not received a COVID-19 vaccine and individuals who refuse to get shots should perhaps face weekly testings.
"It needs to be hard for people to remain unvaccinated," Wen, the former Planned Parenthood president, said. "Right now, it's kind of the opposite."
Unvaccinated people, she fretted, can at the moment go about their lives as normal without any consequence.
"But at some point these mandates, by workplaces, by schools, I think it will be important to say, ‘Hey, you can opt out, but if you want to opt out, you have to sign these forms, you have to get twice weekly testing,’" Wen said. "Basically, we need to make getting vaccinated the easy choice."
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KMA libtard douche nozzle. People who preach this kind of communist crap need to have their lives made hard...real hard.
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This is how Americans get repaid for granting asylum to a commie.
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So if you choose not to vaccinate, you shouldn't be able to live normal life. Sounds like a tyranny to me.
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What I emphasized says what needs to be known:
CNN medical contributor Dr. Leana Wen suggested Saturday that life needs to be "hard" for Americans who have not received a COVID-19 vaccine and individuals who refuse to get shots should perhaps face weekly testings.
"It needs to be hard for people to remain unvaccinated," Wen, the former Planned Parenthood president, said. "Right now, it's kind of the opposite."
*****rollingeyes***** OK, blood-on-hands Wen, how, within the law, does "hard for people to remain unvaccinated" happen. *****rollingeyes***** Does the Feds have some sort of raygun or divining rod that detects the unvaccinated? *****rollingeyes*****
Other than revealing the tyrannic heart of blood-on-hands Leana Wen and of BMM's talking heads, this is an empty threat.
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KMA libtard douche nozzle. People who preach this kind of communist crap need to have their lives made hard...real hard.
Today, vaccinations... Tomorrow, political ideologies....
Example is those who were harrassed and prosecuted on January 6th who didn't even go in the Capitol.
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My body, my choice you evil witch.
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It really truly is 'curious'?
Why is the "deep-state" and the more exterior 'government' so obsessed with 'vaccinations'?
I mean, really, it is not logical. If the government wants people who refuse vaccination to die, then let them.
The point is, why would the deep-state and the government be so fanatical about saving the lives of people they hate?
There is more to this 'vaccination' thing than we are being told. The government is acting insane over it.
For no logical reason.
If people want to die, then let them die. Why does this keep Fauci and his deep-state brothers awake at night?
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I think it will be important to say, ‘Hey, you can opt out, but if you want to opt out, you have to sign these forms, you have to get twice weekly testing,’" Wen said. "Basically, we need to make getting vaccinated the easy choice."
In other words, vaccines aren't chosen based on their merits, so we need to coerce people to get them by punishing those who choose not to get them.
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Today, vaccinations... Tomorrow, political ideologies....
Example is those who were harrassed and prosecuted on January 6th who didn't even go in the Capitol.
Notice that they are going to let the PRIVATE SECTOR do the dirty work, so they can pull a 'Pontius Pilate'...washing their hands.
Lose your employment, etc..
Be accused of being Fascists? :shrug:
:whistle:
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Why in the world would Bill Gates (a multi-billion billionaire) give a shit about who gets vaccinated and who does not.
You know, the very "panic" of the government and billionaires over pushing vaccination makes me wonder.
What the Hell is going on? Door to Door! Really!
This is beyond Science Fiction. It is beyond absurdity. What is this all about?
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I admit, I didn't play the video, but did anyone mention the natural immunity that comes from having had COVID and survived?
Seems to me the antibodies from surviving the disease would be every bit as good as the vaccine.
And I would bet there are thousands of people who had mild cases who are walking around with natural immunity who went undiagnosed.
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... did anyone mention the natural immunity that comes from having had COVID and survived? 1
Seems to me the antibodies from surviving the disease would be every bit as good as the vaccine. 2
And I would bet there are thousands of people who had mild cases who are walking around with natural immunity who went undiagnosed. 3
1 I used to mention that frequently here in TBR.
2 I've seen info to the effect that immunity from recovery is as effective and long-lasting as from vaccination alone.
3 Both of people who knew they probably had it but didn't get tested and of people who were asymptomatic.
Gooberment "health" officials have consistently ignored immunity from recovery. The most benign reason is that while antibody tests are readily available, there is no way to quantify how many such immune people are "out there". But in practical terms, the 49.7% totally-vaccinated number for the US probably understates the number of immune in the US by at least 10%-20%. IOW, the US is in the statistical realm where the number of immune people in the US very significantly limits outbreaks from happening and limits the extent of those that do.
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KMA libtard douche nozzle.
Succinct. I like it... :beer: :seeya:
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This is remarkably similar to their plans on combating racism. Life needs to be made hard for white people, so they get to feel what it's like. Leftists think that will create harmony, but they are making enemies of people.
Fighting racism with more racism, a recipe for a full-blown race war between people who hate each other. Sometimes one must create enemies so they can have a nice war. This vaccine craze is just another leaf in that book.
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And I would bet there are thousands of people who had mild cases who are walking around with natural immunity who went undiagnosed.
Which makes me question why antibody tests have been discouraged throughout.
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Which makes me question why antibody tests have been discouraged throughout.
From https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-july-9-2021 (July 9, 2021):
As of today, 395 tests and sample collection devices are authorized by the FDA under emergency use authorizations (EUAs). These include 282 molecular tests and sample collection devices, 84 antibody and other immune response tests and 29 antigen tests. There are 52 molecular authorizations and one antibody authorization that can be used with home-collected samples.
From https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-daily-roundup-july-10-2020 (July 10, 2020):
Testing updates:
To date, the FDA has currently authorized 173 tests under EUAs; these include 144 molecular tests, 27 antibody tests, and 2 antigen tests.
Authorizing dozens of antibody tests from various companies is a very strange way to discourage antibody testing.
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Today, vaccinations... Tomorrow, political ideologies....
Already a thing. I posted a thread a few days ago about Capitol One cancelling a credit card because they didn't like the guy's political ideology.
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We got your hard.
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From https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-july-9-2021 (July 9, 2021):
From https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-daily-roundup-july-10-2020 (July 10, 2020):
Authorizing dozens of antibody tests from various companies is a very strange way to discourage antibody testing.
@PeteS in CA
That's really beautiful and all, but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I said. Has the FDA approved antibody tests? Of course. Has the CDC offered mass antibody testing across the nation? Absolutely not. In fact, the general narrative for over a year now has been that antibody tests can't be trusted. And it wasn't until recently that the CDC even acknowledged that the antibody response from infection is quite robust even though they have known it for over a year.
This from the CDC last March (three months after NIH reported the robust effectiveness of natural immune response):
Interim Guidelines for COVID-19 Antibody Testing in Clinical and Public Health Settings
Updated Mar. 17, 2021
Antibody testing is not currently recommended to assess for immunity to COVID-19 following COVID-19 vaccination or to assess the need for vaccination in an unvaccinated person.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/resources/antibody-tests-guidelines.html
So in essence, the CDC is dismissing antibody test results as a factor for making medical decisions.
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From https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-july-9-2021 (July 9, 2021):
From https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-daily-roundup-july-10-2020 (July 10, 2020):
Authorizing dozens of antibody tests from various companies is a very strange way to discourage antibody testing.
There are a bunch of machine gun manufacturers in the US, too. They are all licensed to produce them. Now try and buy one.
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There are a bunch of machine gun manufacturers in the US, too. They are all licensed to produce them. Now try and buy one.
https://questdirect.questdiagnostics.com/products/covid-19-immune-response/b580e541-78a5-48a6-b17b-7bad949dcb57
The Quest Diagnostics location I use is ~5 minutes' drive from my home.
CVS - https://www.cvs.com/minuteclinic/services/covid-19-antibody-testing
Labcorp (available through Walgreens) - https://www.labcorp.com/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/individuals/antibody-test
Kroger - https://www.kroger.com/health/pharmacy/covid-care
Hy-Vee - https://www.hy-vee.com/my-pharmacy/services/covid-19-testing
Unlike machine guns, Covid antibody tests are easily available.
Further, I've now shown that the FDA encourages antibody testing by having authorized dozens of different companies' tests. I've also shown that diagnostic labs, pharmacy chains, and grocery chains with in-house pharmacies advertise Covid antibody tests among the suite of Covid-related tests they offer. Who are the "they" who discourage antibody testing? MSM Panic Porn purveyors? :silly: Anti-vaxxers like RFK Jr. and Joseph Mercola? :silly: :silly: :silly:
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https://questdirect.questdiagnostics.com/products/covid-19-immune-response/b580e541-78a5-48a6-b17b-7bad949dcb57
The Quest Diagnostics location I use is ~5 minutes' drive from my home.
CVS - https://www.cvs.com/minuteclinic/services/covid-19-antibody-testing
Labcorp (available through Walgreens) - https://www.labcorp.com/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/individuals/antibody-test
Kroger - https://www.kroger.com/health/pharmacy/covid-care
Hy-Vee - https://www.hy-vee.com/my-pharmacy/services/covid-19-testing
Unlike machine guns, Covid antibody tests are easily available.
Next time I'm in California, I'll get one then.
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Next time I'm in California, I'll get one then.
Several months back, while it was easy to get tested for an active infection the only place offering antibody tests was over forty miles away from where I live. It was available but not easy to get. I'm sure thats changed now.
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Next time I'm in California, I'll get one then.
Kroger, Walgreens, CVS, and Hy-Vee are all over the US, though I'm not sure Kroger and Hy-Vee operate in California. Unsuccessful
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Kroger, Walgreens, CVS, and Hy-Vee are all over the US, though I'm not sure Kroger and Hy-Vee operate in California. Unsuccessful
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You were telling me how close they are to you. Not so, here. Piss off.
I am not getting the jab, nor the test. and bleep any sonofabitch who thinks they can make me.
Nearest Kroger (Smith's, actually) is 227 miles away in Wyoming.
Wahlgrens just says none within 50 miles.
Nearest CVS 130 miles
No Hy-Vee (never heard of them) in the State.
Gee, Pete, we don't have a Disneyland, either. Hoodathunkit?
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CNN medical contributor Dr. Leana Wen
Oh, I just remembered I don't take medical advice from Planned Parenthood's mass murderers.
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https://questdirect.questdiagnostics.com/products/covid-19-immune-response/b580e541-78a5-48a6-b17b-7bad949dcb57
The Quest Diagnostics location I use is ~5 minutes' drive from my home.
CVS - https://www.cvs.com/minuteclinic/services/covid-19-antibody-testing
Labcorp (available through Walgreens) - https://www.labcorp.com/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/individuals/antibody-test
Kroger - https://www.kroger.com/health/pharmacy/covid-care
Hy-Vee - https://www.hy-vee.com/my-pharmacy/services/covid-19-testing
I live in Metro ATL. CVS won't test you unless you lie about having symptoms or coming in direct contact with an infected person. Antibody tests are available from private clinics, both they cost money and are not recognized as a certificate of immunity by our government. They are still telling people who have survived the virus and who have robust immunity cell counts that they have to get vaccinated just like everyone else.
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Good Lord. She's a full-blown fascist.
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I live in Metro ATL. CVS won't test you unless you lie about having symptoms or coming in direct contact with an infected person. Antibody tests are available from private clinics, both they cost money and are not recognized as a certificate of immunity by our government. They are still telling people who have survived the virus and who have robust immunity cell counts that they have to get vaccinated just like everyone else.
An antibody test is different from a test for Covid (e.g. a PCR test). An antibody test determines whether the person tested had and recovered from Covid. Tests for Covid are irrelevant to what I posted.
Where did I say antibody tests are free? If you bother to click the Quest Diagnostics link I posted you would see that it does cost $$, though at least some health plans would cover it. Why the irrelevancy?
I never suggested antibody tests "are recognized as a certificate of immunity by our government". Why are you bringing up another irrelevancy? Another moving of the goalposts?
As to "telling people who have survived the virus and who have robust immunity cell counts that they have to get vaccinated", why are you bringing in yet another irrelevancy? Your original claim to which I responded was that antibody tests are being discouraged. What's with all the goal-post-moving?
You were telling me how close they are to you. Not so, here. Piss off.
I am not getting the jab, nor the test. and bleep any sonofabitch who thinks they can make me.
Nearest Kroger (Smith's, actually) is 227 miles away in Wyoming.
Wahlgrens just says none within 50 miles.
Nearest CVS 130 miles
No Hy-Vee (never heard of them) in the State.
Gee, Pete, we don't have a Disneyland, either. Hoodathunkit?
You claimed antibody tests are almost impossible to find, just like machine guns. My post gave examples of how easily available antibody tests are, not an exhaustive list. And just as a reminder, I have never advocated: mandatory universal testing for Covid; mandatory universal testing for Covid antibodies; mandatory universal vaccination. Your apparent insinuation that I have is a straw man. Follow your own rude invitation.
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An antibody test is different from a test for Covid (e.g. a PCR test). An antibody test determines whether the person tested had and recovered from Covid. Is that news to you?
News? Absolutely not. It is what I have been calling for since Day One. It is the only test that provides any substantive value to this entire epidemic. People with positive antibody tests should have been put on the front line from the very beginning. They should have been allowed to travel, go maskless, eat at restaurants, attend sporting events, and most importantly of all, help, care for, and protect those infected. And under no circumstances should any of them be subjected to an experimental spike protein vaccine.
Did our government emphasize any of this? Nope. Instead, they demanded these people be just as fearful as everyone else, staying locked up in their homes wearing two masks while they wait in line to get vaccinated.
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Good Lord. She's a full-blown fascist.
That's almost a pre-requisite for being president of PP, which she was. She seems to be one of those hyper-educated people who never received much education in wisdom.
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Tests for Covid are irrelevant to what I posted.
That wasn't directed at you. Just citing my CVS experience. My apologies for the confusion.
Where did I say antibody tests are free?
You didn't say it, nor did I ever accuse you of saying it. I simply pointed out how our government subsidized the cost of super-sensitive SARS-2 tests, but failed to subsidize the crucially more important antibody tests. In other words, they encouraged one type of testing while discouraging the other.
I never suggested antibody tests "are recognized as a certificate of immunity by our government". Why are you bringing up another irrelevancy? Another moving of the goalposts?
I never accused you of such. (See: Moving goal posts)
As to "telling people who have survived the virus and who have robust immunity cell counts that they have to get vaccinated", why are you bringing in yet another irrelevancy?
It is EXACTLY what our government has done.
Your original claim to which I responded was that antibody tests are being discouraged. What's with all the goal-post-moving?
They have been discouraged. For well over a year now. Your response was from the FDA which had absolutely positively nothing to do with what I said. Your argument was essentially that the fact that an FDA-approved test exists proves that the government isn't discouraging the tests even though they are picking up the full costs of competing tests, choosing one over the other.
So when you visit your local health department in your car to get a "FREE" parking lot test, and you tell them you want an antibody test instead, what do they say? Do they give you one free of charge right then and there? Or do they tell you 'no'? As someone who has personally requested one, I can testify that the latter response is quite discouraging.
You claimed antibody tests are almost impossible to find, just like machine guns.
Nope. Never said they were almost impossible to find. Never mentioned machine guns either.
My post gave examples of how easily available antibody tests are, not an exhaustive list.
I know they are available. But they aren't subsidized by the government like the overly-sensitive SARS-2 tests are, which means I have to pay the full cost. And they don't mean anything as far as the government is concerned. No one at the CDC is posting stats on how many people are walking around with antibodies against the virus itself. And for months now, they have flat out buried research data showing the robustness of the natural human immune response to SARS-2. Instead, they have been out there lying about how SARS-2 survivors need to mask up, isolate, and get vaccinated just like everyone else, demonstrating that an antibody test holds no value.
And just as a reminder, I have never advocated: mandatory universal testing for Covid; mandatory universal testing for Covid antibodies; mandatory universal vaccination. Your apparent insinuation that I have is a straw man. Follow your own rude invitation.
Never suggested that you did. Never. Not once. Not sure why you are choosing to change the subject by replacing it with a false accusation. (See: Strawman)
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That's almost a pre-requisite for being president of PP, which she was. She seems to be one of those hyper-educated people who never received much education in wisdom.
She was some kinda "prodigy" born in China. Moved here at 8 y/o. Seems she was somewhat normal about the time she hooked up with a fascist and got hitched. But the transformation is complete. She's a gone girl.
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Just so there is no more confusion, I would like to summarize my position for the record.
I DO NOT TRUST OUR GOVERNMENT.
They are pushing an agenda here. They are choosing sides with our tax money. They are withholding crucial scientific data from us. And people are dying as a result.
And at the same time, I do not trust their enablers in the media.
btw, still waiting for the first scientific study proving that cloth masks protect individuals from airborne viruses.
Still waiting to hear why UV radiation in HVAC systems is not being encouraged.
Still waiting to know why in 2020 the CDC did an about-face on anti-parasitic drugs, reversing their 15-year supportive stance while offering no scientific evidence to support their decision.
And I'm still waiting to hear the scientific reason why survivors still have to wear masks and get vaccinated.
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Here is Fauci less than two weeks ago:
Fauci says he's not going to waste his time with an antibody test and neither should you
Hilary Brueck | Jun 30, 2021, 8:43 AM (https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-do-not-measure-covid-protection-immunity-with-antibody-test-2021-6)
Do you still think the government isn't discouraging antibody tests?
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You were telling me how close they are to you. Not so, here. Piss off.
I am not getting the jab, nor the test. and bleep any sonofabitch who thinks they can make me.
Nearest Kroger (Smith's, actually) is 227 miles away in Wyoming.
Wahlgrens just says none within 50 miles.
Nearest CVS 130 miles
No Hy-Vee (never heard of them) in the State.
Gee, Pete, we don't have a Disneyland, either. Hoodathunkit?
Heck, I got a Smith's and a Walgreens right here in town... Maybe I should start puttin on airs... Didn't know we were so sophisticated all up in here.
Not that it matters any damn little bit.
That crap ain't going in me either.
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Just so there is no more confusion, I would like to summarize my position for the record.
I DO NOT TRUST OUR GOVERNMENT.
They are pushing an agenda here. They are choosing sides with our tax money. They are withholding crucial scientific data from us. And people are dying as a result.
And at the same time, I do not trust their enablers in the media.
btw, still waiting for the first scientific study proving that cloth masks protect individuals from airborne viruses.
Still waiting to hear why UV radiation in HVAC systems is not being encouraged.
Still waiting to know why in 2020 the CDC did an about-face on anti-parasitic drugs, reversing their 15-year supportive stance while offering no scientific evidence to support their decision.
And I'm still waiting to hear the scientific reason why survivors still have to wear masks and get vaccinated.
Hear, hear!
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Just so there is no more confusion, I would like to summarize my position for the record.
I DO NOT TRUST OUR GOVERNMENT.
YEP.
Redneck 101.
Conservative 101.
So count me twice. :beer: :patriot: :seeya: