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Surgeon general urges widespread mask use: 'It is not a suppression of your freedom'
By Brett Samuels - 06/30/20 07:25 PM EDT
Surgeon General Jerome Adams on Tuesday implored Americans, and young Americans in particular, to wear masks as lawmakers and public health officials increasingly seek to break down partisan barriers about the use of face coverings.
Adams specifically sought to address arguments among some conservatives that requiring masks is an infringement on personal freedoms and civil liberties, arguing that wearing a mask will actually restore freedoms more quickly amid the coronavirus pandemic.
"Wear a face covering when you go out in public. It is not an inconvenience. It is not a suppression of your freedom. It actually Is a vehicle to achieve our goals," Adams said during a briefing with members of the White House coronavirus task force.
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https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/505354-surgeon-general-urges-widespread-mask-use-it-is-not-a-suppression-of-your
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A bureaucrat telling me what is and isn't infringement of my freedom... whats wrong with that picture?
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So who is right?
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You are way above your pay grade there Sparky.
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Maybe he shouldn't have said literally the opposite back in March.
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"It actually Is a vehicle to achieve our goals," Adams said
Yes Dr. Adams I really believe your statement, my fear and apprehension lies you and others not being completely honest about what those goals are.
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The chances of a cloth mask filtering out a virus is pretty close to zero.
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So now we hear from another swamp quack. Only real purpose of these masks is to make the rioters and looters harder to identify.
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So now we hear from another swamp quack. Only real purpose of these masks is to make the rioters and looters harder to identify.
Yep!
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Adams is right. Wear a damn mask - it is the key to reopening the economy, and getting businesses back and folks back to work.
Now the "political" nature of the mask controversy is being used to slow reopening and keeping the economy slack through the election. So whether or not you're a Trump supporter - and especially if you are - wear the damn mask.
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Adams is right. Wear a damn mask - it is the key to reopening the economy, and getting businesses back and folks back to work.
Now the "political" nature of the mask controversy is being used to slow reopening and keeping the economy slack through the election. So whether or not you're a Trump supporter - and especially if you are - wear the damn mask.
How about an arm band instead? As a mark for those who "care". Because the "damn mask" doesn't do squat. Virtually no one is wearing an N95 mask, the ONLY one, that has any actual chance of blocking a virus in the air. And that one you can only wear once before you need to replace it.
How about a dose of reality?
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How about an arm band instead? As a mark for those who "care". Because the "damn mask" doesn't do squat. Virtually no one is wearing an N95 mask, the ONLY one, that has any actual chance of blocking a virus in the air. And that one you can only wear once before you need to replace it.
How about a dose of reality?
Here's a dose of reality - Trump is going to lose this election unless voters believe the coronavirus is under control and the economy is reopening/rebounding. That reopening is already being delayed in some states by governors obsessed with mask wearing.
So wear the damn mask and help re-elect the President. Act like a selfish jerk and watch the Dems sweep the White House and Congress. That, sir, is reality.
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Adams is right. Wear a damn mask - it is the key to reopening the economy, and getting businesses back and folks back to work.
Now the "political" nature of the mask controversy is being used to slow reopening and keeping the economy slack through the election. So whether or not you're a Trump supporter - and especially if you are - wear the damn mask.
If you want to write "I can't wait to submit!!" on your face, you go right on ahead. It doesn't shock me. I'll stick to non-compliance so I can look myself in the eye in the mirror.
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Here's a dose of reality - Trump is going to lose this election unless voters believe the coronavirus is under control and the economy is reopening/rebounding.
So wear the damn mask and help re-elect the President. Act like a selfish jerk and watch the Dems sweep the White House and Congress. That, sir, is reality.
You have repeatedly stated that Trump will lose no matter what, and we need that winner Sanford in there instead. Failing that, you now say that if we all wear submission masks Trump will be saved? Do Briefers look stupid, to you?
That, sir, is reality.
You said it, not I.
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If you want to write "I can't wait to submit!!" on your face, you go right on ahead. It doesn't shock me. I'll stick to non-compliance so I can look myself in the eye in the mirror.
And end up in the hospital like hundreds of thousands of others who thought the same damn thing.
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If you want to write "I can't wait to submit!!" on your face, you go right on ahead. It doesn't shock me. I'll stick to non-compliance so I can look myself in the eye in the mirror.
We all know the 'mask' issue is more about government domination than it is about health. However, the guys I deal with are scared little clerks who have no idea what is going on. I will wear my Jesse James bandana for them. It is stupid. I does nothing for any virus. But if it will make some clerk's day easier then, What the hell?
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And end up in the hospital like hundreds of thousands of others who thought the same damn thing.
I'm not asking YOU to do it, @jmyrlefuller, so I'll be happy to ask you to MYOFB.
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We all know the 'mask' issue is more about government domination than it is about health. However, the guys I deal with are scared little clerks who have no idea what is going on. I will wear my Jesse James bandana for them. It is stupid. I does nothing for any virus. But if it will make some clerk's day easier then, What the hell?
For the clerks stuck in the middle, I'd do it, but I'll be damned if I do without being asked. If it's necessary to do business, I'll make that calculus on a case by case basis. Maybe I'll do ask asked (if I'm asked nicely), or maybe I'll take my business elsewhere.
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I'm not asking YOU to do it, @jmyrlefuller, so I'll be happy to ask you to MYOFB.
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How about an arm band instead? As a mark for those who "care". Because the "damn mask" doesn't do squat. Virtually no one is wearing an N95 mask, the ONLY one, that has any actual chance of blocking a virus in the air. And that one you can only wear once before you need to replace it.
How about a dose of reality?
Even that is not true. If one has the Wuhan bug, the exahuast on the N95 is unfiltered. So anyone who is asymptomatic is walking around spreading it anyway. And it offers zero eye protection.
The ONLY thing that offers REAL protection is a full face mask with filters on intake and exhaust, or a wholly self contained (piped) air system.
That's why you don't see anything other than that in virus labs.
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So wear the damn mask [...]
No. Not a single damn chance in hell of that happening. I will not comply.
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And end up in the hospital like hundreds of thousands of others who thought the same damn thing.
The corona virus is about 120 nm in size. A cloth mask provides essentially zero protection against that.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5906272/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5906272/)
In addition, your eyes are also entry points for any virus that is airborne. Your eyes are moist and act like collectors for anything floating around in the air.
If you fully cover your eyes and wear an N95 mask that is properly fitted you have a shot at avoiding an airborne contagion.
Otherwise not so much. Just feel good bullshit.
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Even that is not true. If one has the Wuhan bug, the exahuast on the N95 is unfiltered. So anyone who is asymptomatic is walking around spreading it anyway. And it offers zero eye protection.
The ONLY thing that offers REAL protection is a full face mask with filters on intake and exhaust, or a wholly self contained (piped) air system.
That's why you don't see anything other than that in virus labs.
My N95 masks don't have exhaust valves. So these are likely bidirectional in filtering. But that isn't the point... And yes, the eyes are also an entry point that I've mentioned numerous times.
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My N95 masks don't have exhaust valves. So these are likely bidirectional in filtering. But that isn't the point...
Huh. The ones I have here have a flapper valve on an exhaust port open to daylight... Stops intake, lets exhaust... :shrug:
And yes, the eyes are also an entry point that I've mentioned numerous times.
Me too - Folks don't seem to hear it.
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You have repeatedly stated that Trump will lose no matter what, and we need that winner Sanford in there instead. Failing that, you now say that if we all wear submission masks Trump will be saved? Do Briefers look stupid, to you?
Well, some of the thoughts expressed on this thread are idiotic, or selfish, or both.
Let's put aside my views about Donald Trump. I could care less about that self-destructive fool; I care about the GOP retaining the Senate, because if we don't, it's ALL over. We can play effective defense for a few years with the Senate, but if Trump drags the GOP down, the Dems will get rid of the filibuster and eviscerate minority rights. The freedom-inspired American Revolution will be replaced the Jacobin left's appetite for destruction.
But our interests still align. What will encourage a Trump victory will, broadly speaking, help encourage GOP victory in the Senate. So let's work together, even as we may hold our noses at the sight of each other.
The idiots who are politicizing the issue of masks are pulling down Trump and the GOP. Here in Pennsy and New Jersey, Dem governors have seized upon evidence that some folks in the south and west are refusing to wear masks to justify slowing down or stopping the reopening of their economies. Folks remain out of work, and some are facing tragic choices regarding their businesses, their livelihoods, and their mortgages and health insurance. And those with no immediate prospects for the future have the time and inclination to protest, loot and riot.
If the economy isn't robust and recovering come November WE LOSE. The simple expedient of wearing a mask is the key to reopening the economy, and the politicization of the issue has provided the Dems with the excuse to keep that from happening.
You're an idiot if you knowingly play into the hands of your enemy. Trump's proven his idiocy in this regard many times over; don't follow him down that self-destructive road.
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DB wrote:
"As a mark for those who "care". Because the "damn mask" doesn't do squat. Virtually no one is wearing an N95 mask, the ONLY one, that has any actual chance of blocking a virus in the air. And that one you can only wear once before you need to replace it.
How about a dose of reality?"
Fishrrman's credo:
Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.
Don't mean nuthin', just an impertinent question, but...
Why do surgeons and nurses wear paper masks in the O.R. ...?
Really... why...?
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Don't mean nuthin', just an impertinent question, but...
Why do surgeons and nurses wear paper masks in the O.R. ...?
Really... why...?
To maintain a sterile field - a far different thing.
The better question: Why don't virologists wear paper masks in virology labs?
ANSWER: Because they don't work against viral contamination.
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Well, some of the thoughts expressed on this thread are idiotic, or selfish, or both.
Trash talking Briefers will get you nowhere. Why do you slum here, anyway? You've called me selfish before, and worse.
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Here's a dose of reality - Trump is going to lose this election unless voters believe the coronavirus is under control and the economy is reopening/rebounding. That reopening is already being delayed in some states by governors obsessed with mask wearing.
So wear the damn mask and help re-elect the President. Act like a selfish jerk and watch the Dems sweep the White House and Congress. That, sir, is reality.
Write TRUMP 2020 on it. See how long they demand you wear it.
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Write TRUMP 2020 on it. See how long they demand you wear it.
A gal brought some masks in today, with the Trump 2020 flag printed on them. They'll sell. All our Trump flags sold out in two days.
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That's why you don't see anything other than that in virus labs.
Alot of times it will say on the package itself that it doesn't stop viruses but the CDC/WHO pushes the narrative anyway.
Or as a buddy of mine put it - do the fart test. If you can smell the fart, you're just fooling yourself.
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Alot of times it will say on the package itself that it doesn't stop viruses but the CDC/WHO pushes the narrative anyway.
Or as a buddy of mine put it - do the fart test. If you can smell the fart, you're just fooling yourself.
YEP. The fart test was fairly applied as a painter... A good indicator that your respirator was not functioning correctly...
And btw, a painter's respirator is liable to be a helluva lot better in filtration than a paper mask, cooler, and more comfortable... And STILL won't stop a bug according to the numbers. If I were so inclined, for the 20 bucks, that's what I would be wearing.
But I am not so inclined. My neck's up now.
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YEP. The fart test was fairly applied as a painter... A good indicator that your respirator was not functioning correctly...
And btw, a painter's respirator is liable to be a helluva lot better in filtration than a paper mask, cooler, and more comfortable... And STILL won't stop a bug according to the numbers. If I were so inclined, for the 20 bucks, that's what I would be wearing.
But I am not so inclined. My neck's up now.
Same here. I call them "submission masks." The gal showing off the Trump 2020 cloth masks wasn't amused. :laugh:
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Same here. I call them "submission masks." The gal showing off the Trump 2020 cloth masks wasn't amused. :laugh:
LOL!
But to reiterate, this does not stop it... With that in mind, what makes anyone think a cloth mask is doing anything?
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I've said this before -- during some past epidemics in Asia, I would see images of residents wearing masks and there would be some expert(s) saying the masks do nothing to prevent the spread of disease. Even in the beginning of this virus spread, "experts" were saying masks are useless. Then all of a sudden, the CDC, WHO and others said we need masks to prevent the spread of COVID.
So what changed?
I wear one when I go out because most places around here require masks or they won't let you in. Then today, the Goobernor just made them mandatory everywhere. I expect next will be another shutdown. I read that California's Goobernor just ordered shutdowns again for many of the state's counties. These politicians are determined to put us all back in the box. They must be stopped.
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LOL!
But to reiterate, this does not stop it... With that in mind, what makes anyone think a cloth mask is doing anything?
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You need something more like this, with the right filters.
Better to have filtered, powered, air supply, though.
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Better to have filtered, powered, air supply, though.
Yeah... But knowing painters like I do, somebody's gonna figure out how to fart in the airline anyhow. :shrug: :whistle:
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Yeah... But knowing painters like I do, somebody's gonna figure out how to fart in the airline anyhow. :shrug: :whistle:
:silly:
Same breed as rig hands.... :shrug: :whistle:
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DB wrote:
"As a mark for those who "care". Because the "damn mask" doesn't do squat. Virtually no one is wearing an N95 mask, the ONLY one, that has any actual chance of blocking a virus in the air. And that one you can only wear once before you need to replace it.
How about a dose of reality?"
Fishrrman's credo:
Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.
Don't mean nuthin', just an impertinent question, but...
Why do surgeons and nurses wear paper masks in the O.R. ...?
Really... why...?
A paper mask works for things getting splattered about. You don't want someone's blood in your mouth for example. Blood cells are large.
You also don't want someone's spittle in your open body during surgery.
An airborne virus is something else all together.
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A paper mask works for things getting splattered about. You don't want someone's blood in your mouth for example. Blood cells are large.
You also don't want someone's spittle in your open body during surgery.
An airborne virus is something else all together.
Is the virus airborne or droplet borne?
Seems the dweebs at the CDC, etc. never did get clear on that.
If it is airborne, then you need a BSL-4 bubble.
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I've said this before -- during some past epidemics on Asia, I would see images of residents wearing masks and there would be some expert(s) saying the masks do nothing to prevent the spread of disease. Even in the beginning of this virus spread, "experts" were saying masks are useless. Then all of a sudden, the CDC, WHO and others said we need masks to prevent the spread of COVID.
So what changed?
I wear one when I go out because most places around here require masks or they won't let you in. Then today, the Goobernor just made them mandatory everywhere. I expect next will be another shutdown. I read that California's Goobernor just ordered shutdowns again for many of the state's counties. These politicians are determined to put us all back in the box. They must be stopped.
Asia has massive air pollution. People wear masks there to not breath the crap blowing around.
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Is the virus airborne or droplet borne?
Seems the dweebs at the CDC, etc. never did get clear on that.
If it is airborne, then you need a BSL-4 bubble.
If it is in a small droplet and your cloth mask captures it. As the moisture evaporates the virus it is liberated to continue on through. And being very small moisture droplets they evaporate quickly in warmer drier climates.
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LOL!
But to reiterate, this does not stop it... With that in mind, what makes anyone think a cloth mask is doing anything?
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The NIH tested cloth masks for virus size things and said they did zip.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5906272/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5906272/)
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If it is in a small droplet and your cloth mask captures it. As the moisture evaporates the virus it is liberated to continue on through. And being very small moisture droplets they evaporate quickly in warmer drier climates.
It's the airborne part (virus survives, much like an anthrax spore, without benefit of being in a droplet) that I wonder about. For all the claims of "science", these words have definite meanings and the sloppy use of them changes the picture. If the virus itself is airborne, then Houston, we have a problem, and the masks are a placebo.
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It's the airborne part (virus survives, much like an anthrax spore, without benefit of being in a droplet) that I wonder about. For all the claims of "science", these words have definite meanings and the sloppy use of them changes the picture. If the virus itself is airborne, then Houston, we have a problem, and the masks are a placebo.
All masks, including N95, would be too porous.
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Same breed as rig hands.... :shrug: :whistle:
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OK...I get where you all are coming from. Government control etc. Wearing a mask just isn't a big deal to me...so shoot me. Maybe I've been beaten down by the "no smoking on private property" thing.
I went to buy cigarettes today ( :thud:) , wearing a mask. Some yahoo ignored the signs on the door and inside and refused. So do ya'll think a private business has the right to ask for a mask? Or no shoes no shirt no service? Or no smoking in our establishment.
I contained my comments to the rude guy...mainly because people carry guns these times. But it annoyed me. It was private property. If I require people to wear red clown noses in my home to be admitted that is my business. I may be selling tomatoes. :laugh:
So, tell me what he was doing was right...I'm sad.
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OK...I get where you all are coming from. Government control etc. Wearing a mask just isn't a big deal to me...so shoot me. Maybe I've been beaten down by the "no smoking on private property" thing.
I went to buy cigarettes today ( :thud:) , wearing a mask. Some yahoo ignored the signs on the door and inside and refused. So do ya'll think a private business has the right to ask for a mask? Or no shoes no shirt no service? Or no smoking in our establishment.
I contained my comments to the rude guy...mainly because people carry guns these times. But it annoyed me. It was private property. If I require people to wear red clown noses in my home to be admitted that is my business. I may be selling tomatoes. :laugh:
So, tell me what he was doing was right...I'm sad.
@berdie
The two are not mutually exclusive. The business owner has the right to require it. The guy who won’t wear it has the right to do so...just as he has the right to patronize a different business. Biz owner can require it and refuse service and can call the law when patron will not leave.
I don’t wear a mask. Screw the govt. But i have a mask with me because if it’s required by the biz owner, I will put it on or go elsewhere.
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Here's a dose of reality - Trump is going to lose this election unless voters believe the coronavirus is under control and the economy is reopening/rebounding. That reopening is already being delayed in some states by governors obsessed with mask wearing.
So wear the damn mask and help re-elect the President. Act like a selfish jerk and watch the Dems sweep the White House and Congress. That, sir, is reality.
Here’s a dose of reality...anything and I mean ANYTHING that @Jazzhead says conservatives should do is 180deg out of phase with what conservatives should actually do. The quintessential broken clock “conservativeâ€
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@berdie
The two are not mutually exclusive. The business owner has the right to require it. The guy who won’t wear it has the right to do so...just as he has the right to patronize a different business. Biz owner can require it and refuse service and can call the law when patron will not leave.
I don’t wear a mask. Screw the govt. But i have a mask with me because if it’s required by the biz owner, I will put it on or go elsewhere.
Actually, @axelinger that was the point I was trying to make. If ya don't want to wear a mask...and an owner requires it...just leave.
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A bureaucrat telling me what is and isn't infringement of my freedom... whats wrong with that picture?
BINGO! Of course it is. So far, I have not worn a mask. Did you know, in Oregon, blacks do not have to wear a mask as it is discrimination. We either all do, or it is worthless. It is worthless, anyway. Some say, like using a chain link fence to keep out mosquitoes. Hispanics where I live, most do not wear any mask, nor do they 6 foot social distance. I just found out, in my demon-rat state, they have snitches, to 'tell' on business's if they don't comply.
1984! Grocery store says, to wear mask, etc, on loud speaker.
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OK...I get where you all are coming from. Government control etc. Wearing a mask just isn't a big deal to me...so shoot me. Maybe I've been beaten down by the "no smoking on private property" thing.
I went to buy cigarettes today ( :thud:) , wearing a mask. Some yahoo ignored the signs on the door and inside and refused. So do ya'll think a private business has the right to ask for a mask? Or no shoes no shirt no service? Or no smoking in our establishment.
I contained my comments to the rude guy...mainly because people carry guns these times. But it annoyed me. It was private property. If I require people to wear red clown noses in my home to be admitted that is my business. I may be selling tomatoes. :laugh:
So, tell me what he was doing was right...I'm sad.
Private businesses that make such demands just don't get my service. I go elsewhere. I have yet to were a mask at all.
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Private businesses that make such demands just don't get my service. I go elsewhere. I have yet to were a mask at all.
That is what I am trying to say. If you don't want to wear a mask...don't. Don't frequent the business that requires one.
But if you want to be a rear end...trying to make some kind of point...whatever,
I just hated that I couldn't stand up for the lady at the store. Being afraid to get shot for speaking up in defense of someone really ticks me off. 9999hair out0000
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So who is right?
Yes, I saw that before. lol If one is coughing and sneezing and sick, a mask would help reduce the sputum from being in the air. HEALTHY PEOPLE .....should not wear any mask. Only sick people sold wear a mask. ....or best, stay home.
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Yes, I saw that before. lol If one is coughing and sneezing and sick, a mask would help reduce the sputum from being in the air. HEALTHY PEOPLE .....should not wear any mask. Only sick people sold wear a mask. ....or best, stay home.
Healthy people should not be quarantined, either.
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Well, some of the thoughts expressed on this thread are idiotic, or selfish, or both.
Let's put aside my views about Donald Trump. I could care less about that self-destructive fool; I care about the GOP retaining the Senate, because if we don't, it's ALL over. We can play effective defense for a few years with the Senate, but if Trump drags the GOP down, the Dems will get rid of the filibuster and eviscerate minority rights. The freedom-inspired American Revolution will be replaced the Jacobin left's appetite for destruction.
But our interests still align. What will encourage a Trump victory will, broadly speaking, help encourage GOP victory in the Senate. So let's work together, even as we may hold our noses at the sight of each other.
The idiots who are politicizing the issue of masks are pulling down Trump and the GOP. Here in Pennsy and New Jersey, Dem governors have seized upon evidence that some folks in the south and west are refusing to wear masks to justify slowing down or stopping the reopening of their economies. Folks remain out of work, and some are facing tragic choices regarding their businesses, their livelihoods, and their mortgages and health insurance. And those with no immediate prospects for the future have the time and inclination to protest, loot and riot.
If the economy isn't robust and recovering come November WE LOSE. The simple expedient of wearing a mask is the key to reopening the economy, and the politicization of the issue has provided the Dems with the excuse to keep that from happening.
You're an idiot if you knowingly play into the hands of your enemy. Trump's proven his idiocy in this regard many times over; don't follow him down that self-destructive road.
I have news for you. We are already done. IT IS OVER. Not because of POTUS TRUMP either. Because of voters...like you.
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Healthy people should not be quarantined, either.
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That is what I am trying to say. If you don't want to wear a mask...don't. Don't frequent the business that requires one.
But if you want to be a rear end...trying to make some kind of point...whatever,
I just hated that I couldn't stand up for the lady at the store. Being afraid to get shot for speaking up in defense of someone really ticks me off. 9999hair out0000
So far, I cannot get a haircut. I cannot go to doctors office. I cannot go to Physical Therapy. And, I get yelled at in grocery store, till I told them, I need oxygen. Medical reasons. Lung and heart. I live in a small town. Not many choices.
I have not worn any mask. How long do they think we need a mask? FOREVER? They think, we won't have virus continue to invade us? What about the past, virus already in our country? I don't WANT any vaccine, either. I get sick with flu vaccine. That was about 20 years ago! Never forgot that. 103 fever...for a senior, who got the flu shot. I was very sick and my arm was swollen, red, and I could not use it. I had to use my other arm to move it.
Wonder what would happen if I dangle a mask off my ear, like BIDEN did? People remove mask talk. I said that breaks the reason for wearing one. We are in an insane time now. Some leave their nose exposed. Virus can enter through ones eyes, or ears. We would need to be hermetically sealed for any mask to do any good. BOGUS, COMMUNIST AGENDA.
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Yes, I saw that before. lol If one is coughing and sneezing and sick, a mask would help reduce the sputum from being in the air. HEALTHY PEOPLE .....should not wear any mask. Only sick people sold wear a mask. ....or best, stay home.
That may not be true either. If you sneeze/cough in a cloth/paper mask the mask likely acts as an atomizer producing a fine mist of virus infection to float around in the air longer. Larger particles drop out of the air sooner making them less likely to be inhaled by someone else.
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That is what I am trying to say. If you don't want to wear a mask...don't. Don't frequent the business that requires one.
But if you want to be a rear end...trying to make some kind of point...whatever,
I just hated that I couldn't stand up for the lady at the store. Being afraid to get shot for speaking up in defense of someone really ticks me off. 9999hair out0000
I ain't ever been like that @berdie ,There are folks that are compromised and have every right to be worried... Elderly, folks with immunity disorders... My sis is terrifically compromised by asthma... To the point that she must wear a mask in the spring and during fire season.
Likewise quarantine - If you are likely compromised, than quarantine, by all means..
I would have no problem defending that.
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I'm not wearing a damned mask period!
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For those of you,who like me,hate wearing masks because you have COPD or some other respiratory problems,here is a VERY good alternative. They have a comfortable,adjustable,and very heavy duty headband that adjusts to fit anyone with a knob you turn that has positive "click stops",and best of all,when the face shield is down,there is more than an inch clearance between it and your nose,and the bottom is open to allow fresh air in and stale air out.
You can actually breathe normally while wearing the damn thing,unlike those cloth or paper masks.
And "Yes,the face shield DOES flip up and hold in place so you can eat,drink,smoke,pick boogers,swap spit,etc,etc,etc while still wearing it.
I paid extra for the non-fogging lens,but am not sure it was entirely necessary for casual use. It does come in handy if you are using it as a face shield to protect your eyes and face while weed-whacking,grinding steel,etc,etc,etc,but for purely "social use" you are normally inside with air-conditioning.
The only option I might suggest would be a skull cap like you see the yuppie bicycle riders wearing if you wear it while working outside,and especially if you are bald to keep the sun from frying your brain.
https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/equipment/welding-gear/apparel/Pages/faceshields.aspx (https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/equipment/welding-gear/apparel/Pages/faceshields.aspx)
You can probably buy it cheaper with free shipping from ebay or Amazon if you want to save a couple of bucks.
Yeah,you CAN buy one of the flimsy Chinese face shields you see people wearing,but they are crap that might not last a week,fog up,get scratched so you can't see through them,and the headbands are hard plastic that hurt your head and make you sweat.
Do yourself a favor and "Buy American".
BTW,if you are like me and don't mind wearing a mask as a courtesy to others but don't because you can't breathe with one on,this IS the answer.
It is NOT going to keep you from getting a virus. NO mask will do that,but it WILL keep you from infecting someone else by accident if you have the virus and don't know it,and wearing one will keep the sheep from getting even more terrified. After all,you don't want to get caught in a sheep stampede,do you?
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I'm not wearing a damned mask period!
Yep, me too.
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Yep, me too.
@Bigun @roamer_1
Did you guys see my post right above this one?
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@sneakypete
Yeah I seen it. I already have REAL masks, and real face shields...
I ain't wearing any of it.
Bullshit.
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Maybe he shouldn't have said literally the opposite back in March.
maybe should specify has to do with your upside down flag
True story, I had to have my managers observe the person putting the flag up in the morning after having the police arrive to ask what the emergency was because an idiot raised the flag upside down and it happened several times. I asked the person if it was okay to fly the Mexican flag upside down and they said no it would be disrespectful, I got the problem solved when I told him the next time he disrespected the American flag he would be history.
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DB wrote:
"As a mark for those who "care". Because the "damn mask" doesn't do squat. Virtually no one is wearing an N95 mask, the ONLY one, that has any actual chance of blocking a virus in the air. And that one you can only wear once before you need to replace it.
How about a dose of reality?"
Fishrrman's credo:
Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.
Don't mean nuthin', just an impertinent question, but...
Why do surgeons and nurses wear paper masks in the O.R. ...?
Really... why...?
So if, they have to cough or sneeze..the mask will help stop the sputum. It does nothing for 'germs'. VIRUS.
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So if, they have to cough or sneeze..the mask will help stop the sputum. It does nothing for 'germs'. VIRUS.
It keeps the lugis and lungers out of the surgical wound, and the 'squirts' off their face. It just isn't as neat as TV some times.
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maybe should specify has to do with your upside down flag
True story, I had to have my managers observe the person putting the flag up in the morning after having the police arrive to ask what the emergency was because an idiot raised the flag upside down and it happened several times. I asked the person if it was okay to fly the Mexican flag upside down and they said no it would be disrespectful, I got the problem solved when I told him the next time he disrespected the American flag he would be history.
I thought American flag upside down means.....DISTRESS in America. We are in distress. Not about disrespect.
Military men? I was never in the military.
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It keeps the lugis and lungers out of the surgical wound, and the 'squirts' off their face. It just isn't as neat as TV some times.
:thumbsup:
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For those of you,who like me,hate wearing masks because you have COPD or some other respiratory problems,here is a VERY good alternative. They have a comfortable,adjustable,and very heavy duty headband that adjusts to fit anyone with a knob you turn that has positive "click stops",and best of all,when the face shield is down,there is more than an inch clearance between it and your nose,and the bottom is open to allow fresh air in and stale air out.
You can actually breathe normally while wearing the damn thing,unlike those cloth or paper masks.
And "Yes,the face shield DOES flip up and hold in place so you can eat,drink,smoke,pick boogers,swap spit,etc,etc,etc while still wearing it.
I paid extra for the non-fogging lens,but am not sure it was entirely necessary for casual use. It does come in handy if you are using it as a face shield to protect your eyes and face while weed-whacking,grinding steel,etc,etc,etc,but for purely "social use" you are normally inside with air-conditioning.
The only option I might suggest would be a skull cap like you see the yuppie bicycle riders wearing if you wear it while working outside,and especially if you are bald to keep the sun from frying your brain.
https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/equipment/welding-gear/apparel/Pages/faceshields.aspx (https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/equipment/welding-gear/apparel/Pages/faceshields.aspx)
You can probably buy it cheaper with free shipping from ebay or Amazon if you want to save a couple of bucks.
Yeah,you CAN buy one of the flimsy Chinese face shields you see people wearing,but they are crap that might not last a week,fog up,get scratched so you can't see through them,and the headbands are hard plastic that hurt your head and make you sweat.
Do yourself a favor and "Buy American".
BTW,if you are like me and don't mind wearing a mask as a courtesy to others but don't because you can't breathe with one on,this IS the answer.
It is NOT going to keep you from getting a virus. NO mask will do that,but it WILL keep you from infecting someone else by accident if you have the virus and don't know it,and wearing one will keep the sheep from getting even more terrified. After all,you don't want to get caught in a sheep stampede,do you?
Nice link, I went there. I need to breathe. Which one did you order? Many choices. I read you got the anti fog one. I can't see so well anymore. Would you mind? Then I saw being able to order, shield or head gear separate. Just order the most expensive? Thank you in advance.
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That may not be true either. If you sneeze/cough in a cloth/paper mask the mask likely acts as an atomizer producing a fine mist of virus infection to float around in the air longer. Larger particles drop out of the air sooner making them less likely to be inhaled by someone else.
Agree. I said it MAY REDUCE the sputum. I didn't say 100% effective. So far I have NOT worn any mask anywhere.
MYPOST BELOW.;
Yes, I saw that before. lol If one is coughing and sneezing and sick, a mask would help reduce the sputum from being in the air. HEALTHY PEOPLE .....should not wear any mask. Only sick people sold wear a mask. ....or best, stay home.
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I thought American flag upside down means.....DISTRESS in America. We are in distress. Not about disrespect.
Military men? I was never in the military.
When an idiot Hispanic intentionally hoists the flag upside down it is a sign of disrespect. I went back and reread my post and it still is clear to me, however you are quite confusing.
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maybe should specify has to do with your upside down flag
True story, I had to have my managers observe the person putting the flag up in the morning after having the police arrive to ask what the emergency was because an idiot raised the flag upside down and it happened several times. I asked the person if it was okay to fly the Mexican flag upside down and they said no it would be disrespectful, I got the problem solved when I told him the next time he disrespected the American flag he would be history.
Yeah, I came into work one morning and the flag was flying upside down. There's a phone direct to Security at the door where I used a card to open the door, and I picked it up. I asked Security, "OK, what's the emergency?" The guy said, "Wut?" "The American Flag is flying upside down, and that's the distress signal. Can I open the door?" "Oh crap! Yeah, we'll fix it!"
Sheit. Fer Chisakakes, who doesn't know how to fly a freakin' flag?
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Freedom tomorrow.
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Nice link, I went there. I need to breathe. Which one did you order? Many choices. I read you got the anti fog one. I can't see so well anymore. Would you mind? Then I saw being able to order, shield or head gear separate. Just order the most expensive? Thank you in advance.
@LegalAmerican
Buy the OMNIShieldâ„¢ Clear Face Shield - Anti-fog - K3751-1.
You most likely don't do any grinding or heavy duty briar whacking,and it is anti-fogging.
The headgear on the all is the same. The different prices are based on different shield options. Shields are easily changed. Takes maybe 15 seconds if you are slow.
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@LegalAmerican
Buy the OMNIShieldâ„¢ Clear Face Shield - Anti-fog - K3751-1.
You most likely don't do any grinding or heavy duty briar whacking,and it is anti-fogging.
The headgear on the all is the same. The different prices are based on different shield options. Shields are easily changed. Takes maybe 15 seconds if you are slow.
lol. No, not slow. Thank you again.
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Yeah, I came into work one morning and the flag was flying upside down. There's a phone direct to Security at the door where I used a card to open the door, and I picked it up. I asked Security, "OK, what's the emergency?" The guy said, "Wut?" "The American Flag is flying upside down, and that's the distress signal. Can I open the door?" "Oh crap! Yeah, we'll fix it!"
Sheit. Fer Chisakakes, who doesn't know how to fly a freakin' flag?
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@Cyber Liberty
I was at the local grocery store last week,and it was really raining hard when I was ready to leave. Myself and several others were standing inside the entrance waiting for the rain to slack off,and evidently the store manager told a employee that was maybe 18 years old to grab an umbrella and escort customers to their cars to keep them from getting wet.
Good plan,huh?
Not really. He came up to the woman standing next to me and very politely asked her if he could escort her to her car to keep her from getting wet. She said "Yes",so he pushed the button on the umbrella and pushed it all the way to the top. Went past the normal stop,and the umbrella looked like an upturned bowl.
So he says "The umbrella is broken,so i am sorry,but I will not be able to escort you to your car." I told him "No problem,give it to me and I will show you how to fix it."
He got mad or scared,I am not sure which,and backed away. I guess the manager was watching,so he came up and took the umbrella away and showed him how to fix it,and then told the guy to walk people to their cars.
I admit,I had never seen anyone who couldn't figure out how to work an umbrella before,and didn't even imagine they existed and were left to roam free.
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When an idiot Hispanic intentionally hoists the flag upside down it is a sign of disrespect. I went back and reread my post and it still is clear to me, however you are quite confusing.
You did not say he was an hispanic doing that. You said you asked him if putting Mexican flag upside down would be disrespectful. Just another example of flag. DOES NOT SAY HE WAS A HISPANIC. I can't read your mind. Re-read your original post. Why so upset? I didn't know you hired illegals. And my response was, that upside American flag means DISTRESS. What is confusing? I don't want to fight with you.
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When an idiot Hispanic intentionally hoists the flag upside down it is a sign of disrespect. I went back and reread my post and it still is clear to me, however you are quite confusing.
You did NOT say it was an hispanic doing that. I should ASSUME?
Quote from: GtHawk on Today at 04:17:19 PM
maybe should specify has to do with your upside down flag
True story, I had to have my managers observe the person putting the flag up in the morning after having the police arrive to ask what the emergency was because an idiot raised the flag upside down and it happened several times. I asked the person if it was okay to fly the Mexican flag upside down and they said no it would be disrespectful, I got the problem solved when I told him the next time he disrespected the American flag he would be histor
Legal American post;
I thought American flag upside down means.....DISTRESS in America. We are in distress. Not about disrespect.
Military men? I was never in the military.
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lol. No, not slow. Thank you again.
OUT OF STOCK...but still nice idea. I will research for other sites.
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OUT OF STOCK...but still nice idea. I will research for other sites.
@LegalAmerican
One other thing I like about this type of face covering is that is someone sneezes or coughs in your direction,your whole face is protected 100 percent. Nothing is going to get through that plastic face shield.
You WILL breathe that stuff through a cloth mask,though,not to mention get it on your hands when you touch your face.
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I spent the afternoon with an octogenarian with a compromised health issue.
I had a cloth mask with a charcoal filter on the entire time.
Yes, I was miserable and hated it but I did it.
Que up background music.
“the things we do for loveâ€
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Well our Independence Day shindig is on schedule for tomorrow. Little smaller than usual, my liberal sister and hers stayed home hiding under the bed... But my brother and his are coming up around the lake, even as we speak... All the way from Nashville, and we are gonna have a blast tomorrow.
And not a damn mask in sight.
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I spent the afternoon with an octogenarian with a compromised health issue.
I had a cloth mask with a charcoal filter on the entire time.
Yes, I was miserable and hated it but I did it.
Que up background music.
“the things we do for loveâ€
@Gefn
Get one of the hard plastic face masks that I recommended. Protects you against sneezes and coughs,and doesn't restrict your breathing.
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@Gefn
Get one of the hard plastic face masks that I recommended. Protects you against sneezes and coughs,and doesn't restrict your breathing.
:thumbsup:
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@Cyber Liberty
I was at the local grocery store last week,and it was really raining hard when I was ready to leave. Myself and several others were standing inside the entrance waiting for the rain to slack off,and evidently the store manager told a employee that was maybe 18 years old to grab an umbrella and escort customers to their cars to keep them from getting wet.
Good plan,huh?
Not really. He came up to the woman standing next to me and very politely asked her if he could escort her to her car to keep her from getting wet. She said "Yes",so he pushed the button on the umbrella and pushed it all the way to the top. Went past the normal stop,and the umbrella looked like an upturned bowl.
So he says "The umbrella is broken,so i am sorry,but I will not be able to escort you to your car." I told him "No problem,give it to me and I will show you how to fix it."
He got mad or scared,I am not sure which,and backed away. I guess the manager was watching,so he came up and took the umbrella away and showed him how to fix it,and then told the guy to walk people to their cars.
I admit,I had never seen anyone who couldn't figure out how to work an umbrella before,and didn't even imagine they existed and were left to roam free.
@sneakypete
(https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef013486a73dbf970c-500wi)
The Lightworker in action.
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@sneakypete
(https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef013486a73dbf970c-500wi)
The Lightworker in action.
:silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: Oh, yeah! I'd forgotten about that one.
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You did not say he was an hispanic doing that. You said you asked him if putting Mexican flag upside down would be disrespectful. Just another example of flag. DOES NOT SAY HE WAS A HISPANIC. I can't read your mind. Re-read your original post. Why so upset? I didn't know you hired illegals. And my response was, that upside American flag means DISTRESS. What is confusing? I don't want to fight with you.
Hmm, okay logic and linear thinking not your thing, got it won't make that mistake again. Thank you.
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@sneakypete
(https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef013486a73dbf970c-500wi)
The Lightworker in action.
Never saw that before. OMG how funny! 2 guys and still didn't know how?
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@sneakypete
(https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef013486a73dbf970c-500wi)
The Lightworker in action.
@Cyber Liberty
The Mooch looks like he's scared,doesn't he?
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Here’s a dose of reality...anything and I mean ANYTHING that @Jazzhead says conservatives should do is 180deg out of phase with what conservatives should actually do. The quintessential broken clock “conservativeâ€
Thanks for the bump. And if I'm right just twice a day, then this is one of those times. Here in New Jersey, the Governor had given restaurants the green light to reopen with indoor table service on July 2. Folks had spent money to reconfigure their facilities to make them safe, hire staff and acquire inventory. A couple of days ago Governor Murphy suspended restaurant re-openings "indefinitely" and basically just put a whole lot of working people in truly dire straights.
And it wasn't on the basis of New Jersey data. He was reacting to Covid spikes in Texas, and photos of idiots like you preening around in crowds without masks.
Look, if you want to make sure the economy fails to rebound, and the President is defeated, just go right ahead and insist you'll wear no mask. I say to heck with Gov. Murphy's ignorant petty fascism, and to everybody else who is seeking to politicize this pandemic. No businessman wants his customer to get sick. I wear a mask for the people, sir, the working people who've been scattered to the wind these last four months.
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Thanks for the bump. And if I'm right just twice a day, then this is one of those times. Here in New Jersey, the Governor had given restaurants the green light to reopen with indoor table service on July 2. Folks had spent money to reconfigure their facilities to make them safe, hire staff and acquire inventory. A couple of days ago Governor Murphy suspended restaurant re-openings "indefinitely" and basically just put a whole lot of working people in truly dire straights.
And it wasn't on the basis of New Jersey data. He was reacting to Covid spikes in Texas, and photos of idiots like you preening around in crowds without masks.
Look, if you want to make sure the economy fails to rebound, and the President is defeated, just go right ahead and insist you'll wear no mask. I say to heck with Gov. Murphy's ignorant petty fascism, and to everybody else who is seeking to politicize this pandemic. No businessman wants his customer to get sick. I wear a mask for the people, sir, the working people who've been scattered to the wind these last four months.
@Jazzhead
Here in my state 0.5% of the population have been infected...TOTAL.
0.011% have passed away. That’s 1/10 of 1%! All the available data shows that it is not nearly as deadly as once feared. Do you advocate for a mask, etc, for the seasonal flu? Why not? I agreed with the shutdown, etc three months ago when we didn’t know anything. Now we do.
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@Gefn
Get one of the hard plastic face masks that I recommended. Protects you against sneezes and coughs,and doesn't restrict your breathing.
My mom uses one of those because of oxygen. I don’t go out too much, that I really need one to wear it a lot. To be honest, I don’t think I don’t think anyone really is comfortable wearing one,
@sneakypete
But I have bought a real pretty floral mask and that makes me feel happy.
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My mom uses one of those because of oxygen. I don’t go out too much, that I really need one to wear it a lot. To be honest, I don’t think I don’t think anyone really is comfortable wearing one,
@sneakypete
But I have bought a real pretty floral mask and that makes me feel happy.
@Gefn
I am glad it makes you happy as long as you understand it does absolutely nothing to protect YOU.
You wear masks to protect others.
I prefer the helmets with hard plastic shields because I have COPD,and the helmets allow me to breath as well as I am able to breathe. Which ain't saying a lot,but when you are gasping for breath,a little means a lot.
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QxlvqiaYCM#)
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I have an experiment for all y'all... An exercise...
Wear your mask long enough to get it wet from your breath... About 10-15 minutes.
Light up a smoke, stand in front of a mirror, and with your mask in place, EXHALE.
Prove it to yourself.
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Censored: A Review Of Science Relevant To COVID-19 Social Policy And Why Face Masks Don’t Work (https://www.technocracy.news/censored-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covid-19-social-policy-and-why-face-masks-dont-work/)
Denis Rancourt, PhD, has published over 100 peer-reviewed studies in his career, but ResearchGate choose to censor and remove this paper because it didn’t fit the narrative of the Great Panic of 2020 over COVID-19. Such censorship proves the existence of an alternative agenda.
Again, this underscores the Technocrat methodology of shaming, ridiculing and censoring anybody that comes forth with real science that refutes their pseudo-science. ⃠TN Editor
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'It is not a suppression of your freedom'..... they have lied before.
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What happened to the virus dies in the heat therefore summer months should kill it off? Seems like it was wrong.
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I have an experiment for all y'all... An exercise...
Wear your mask long enough to get it wet from your breath... About 10-15 minutes.
Light up a smoke, stand in front of a mirror, and with your mask in place, EXHALE.
Prove it to yourself.
That's what sends me ballistic about all these mask nuts is that they act like its a cross of gold against a vampire, when they are minimally effective at best.
What REALLY galls me is that these same people generally have taken crap care of themselves so that they are vulnerable to a virus, yet will do nothing to improve their immunity, or even take antivirals, but they're ready to call SWAT to gun you down for not wearing a flimsy little fashion mask.
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That's what sends me ballistic about all these mask nuts is that they act like its a cross of gold against a vampire, when they are minimally effective at best.
What REALLY galls me is that these same people generally have taken crap care of themselves so that they are vulnerable to a virus, yet will do nothing to improve their immunity, or even take antivirals, but they're ready to call SWAT to gun you down for not wearing a flimsy little fashion mask.
It's just breathtaking bullcrap. I really had no idea how compliant we had become as 'americans'... All it takes is a politician and some doctor with a piece of paper on the wall, and folks will do ANYTHING they tell you to - Without thinking at all.
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'It is not a suppression of your freedom'..... they have lied before.
@rustynail
WHAT? SAY IT AIN'T SO!
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What happened to the virus dies in the heat therefore summer months should kill it off? Seems like it was wrong.
@mrpotatohead
Well,to be fair to those scientists,MOST viruses don't have labs of people giving them updates.
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@mrpotatohead
Well,to be fair to those scientists,MOST viruses don't have labs of people giving them updates.
It's from China, and you expected it to work as advertised? :silly:
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It's just breathtaking bullcrap. I really had no idea how compliant we had become as 'americans'... All it takes is a politician and some doctor with a piece of paper on the wall, and folks will do ANYTHING they tell you to - Without thinking at all.
Just because the store owners/managers/PTBs are all wusses that caved to government official "mandates"....doesn't mean that most of us are, as well. If I didn't "have" to wear a mask to get groceries and other items, I wouldn't wear one.
Here's a stupid, illogical one. Went to On The Border with a friend last week. You have to wear a mask just walking into the restaurant. But as soon as they seat you, you can take the mask off. This was at lunch time and there was only three other tables in the whole place that had customers, only one other table in the area we were sitting in. Wearing a mask while walking in does what, exactly? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. And there is no way these restaurants will be able to stay in business with that few customers. They still have to pay the cooks, wait staff, etc. regular pay no matter how few customers there are. If the nation doesn't open back up our employment and American businesses will be permanently destroyed... as intended by the America-hating left.
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Just because the store owners/managers/PTBs are all wusses that caved to government official "mandates"....doesn't mean that most of us are, as well. If I didn't "have" to wear a mask to get groceries and other items, I wouldn't wear one.
Here's a stupid, illogical one. Went to On The Border with a friend last week. You have to wear a mask just walking into the restaurant. But as soon as they seat you, you can take the mask off. This was at lunch time and there was only three other tables in the whole place that had customers, only one other table in the area we were sitting in. Wearing a mask while walking in does what, exactly? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. And there is no way these restaurants will be able to stay in business with that few customers. They still have to pay the cooks, wait staff, etc. regular pay no matter how few customers there are. If the nation doesn't open back up our employment and American businesses will be permanently destroyed... as intended by the America-hating left.
Right now, according to my across the street neighbors who own a large restaurant, 50% of the restaurants that were open in this country in January of this year have been permanently shuttered. And for what exactly?
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It's from China, and you expected it to work as advertised? :silly:
@Smokin Joe
LOL!
The good news is to not worry because the Chinese will probably have all the bugs worked in by 2025.
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Right now, according to my across the street neighbors who own a large restaurant, 50% of the restaurants that were open in this country in January of this year have been permanently shuttered. And for what exactly?
Well, you and I know the ulterior motive behind it all. Right?
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Well, you and I know the ulterior motive behind it all. Right?
:yowsa: Of course we do! But that does not make it one bit less painful for all those business owners and their former employees. Some of those people had everything invested in those businesses.
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:yowsa: Of course we do! But that does not make it one bit less painful for all those business owners and their former employees. Some of those people had everything invested in those businesses.
Yeah. Some used up their last dime in savings to open a business.
And the bar-owners are completely shut down again here in Texas. Asinine mandate... and I don't even go to bars (any more...lol).
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@Smokin Joe
LOL!
The good news is to not worry because the Chinese will probably have all the bugs worked in by 2025.
@sneakypete Those aren't bugs, round-eye, those are features!
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Just because the store owners/managers/PTBs are all wusses that caved to government official "mandates"....doesn't mean that most of us are, as well. If I didn't "have" to wear a mask to get groceries and other items, I wouldn't wear one.
@XenaLee
I have COPD,so I can't wear a mask. They cut off what little air I do get.
So I wear my Lincoln Welding face shield helmet,with a flip up visor. The visor is open at the bottom to allow air in,and it sits a couple of inches away from my nose,allowing me to breathe as easily with it on as I do with it off.
I wear it as a courtesy to others because I am under no delusion as to it or masks being able to stop a airborne virus.
I already had it because I use it when grinding or cutting steel,or weed-whacking in my yard to protect my eyes and face from flying debris.
Wearing it also allows me to not get mad over some numbnuts whining about me not wearing a mask. I barely stopped myself from "laying on hands to "heal" someone" one day,and decided it was also better for me if I wore something. I don't need to waste my money paying fines and lawyers.
Wearing a mask while walking in does what, exactly? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
You will NEVER win an emotional argument using logic.
And there is no way these restaurants will be able to stay in business with that few customers. They still have to pay the cooks, wait staff, etc. regular pay no matter how few customers there are.
That is one of the major problems,and IMNSHO,THE big reason the DNC worked together with the Chinese to develop and release it. Most of the original service industry workers are now unemployed and drawing unemployment. When that runs out,they will be on welfare,and losing their cars,their houses,and everything they have worked for their whole lives.
Guess who they are going to blame for "crashing the economy and putting me out of my house"? That's right,Trump.
And the Dims will be on every tv station in the nation reminding voters of the "fact" that Trump is responsible for ALL their problems because he just didn't "do enough because he is a billionaire and he does't care about working people".
If the nation doesn't open back up our employment and American businesses will be permanently destroyed... as intended by the America-hating left.
See the above,and the Dims will be hailed by every media outlet in the nation as the people who tried to save them,but Trump just wouldn't let them.
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Just because the store owners/managers/PTBs are all wusses that caved to government official "mandates"....doesn't mean that most of us are, as well. If I didn't "have" to wear a mask to get groceries and other items, I wouldn't wear one.
No... Why there aren't vast hordes of folks refusing to wear masks IMPOSING their will on those businesses is the problem. THE FOLKS ain't saying 'Oh Hell No!', or the businesses first,, and the government next, would fold up and comply with the people.
That is compliance.
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I don't even go to bars (any more...lol).
Right... but the question is, do you go to the bars ANY LESS? :P
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In Pennsylvania bars and restaurants which had been shut down for two weeks will now be allowed to open on condition that (a) the bars also have a restaurant attached and cannot allow seating at the bar (must serve alcohol only to restaurant tables or allow takeout); and (b) no more than 25% of capacity allowed indoors.
Restaurant/bar owners and certain politicians are going to again seek to have the courts curb the Goobernor's powers in this regard. They already tried once and failed.
Meanwhile, there was another "peaceful demonstration" near Pittsburgh today. The media will only show aerial views so we can't exactly tell how many people are gathered, whether they are wearing masks or practicing social distancing.
But law abiding citizens who own bars. restaurants and other entertainment venues are being punished for an alleged rise in COVID cases.
What's wrong with this picture?
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No... Why there aren't vast hordes of folks refusing to wear masks IMPOSING their will on those businesses is the problem. THE FOLKS ain't saying 'Oh Hell No!', or the businesses first,, and the government next, would fold up and comply with the people.
That is compliance.
The local Menards started losing business today...
Funny they set the mask policy for today two weeks ago, about a week before cases started rising in this county....
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No... Why there aren't vast hordes of folks refusing to wear masks IMPOSING their will on those businesses is the problem. THE FOLKS ain't saying 'Oh Hell No!', or the businesses first,, and the government next, would fold up and comply with the people.
That is compliance.
What makes you think they aren't obeying? Don't tell me you're believing the press!
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Right... but the question is, do you go to the bars ANY LESS? :P
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I dunno. The only bar I've been to since I came here, is the one about 20 ft to my left. "Cyber's Place." It has my favorite beer on tap, as long as I remember to replenish my supply when kegs run out. That's why I keep a spare keg.
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I dunno. The only bar I've been to since I came here, is the one about 20 ft to my left. "Cyber's Place." It has my favorite beer on tap, as long as I remember to replenish my supply when kegs run out. That's why I keep a spare keg.
Nothing wrong with that -- makes life a lot more easier. 888high58888
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Nothing wrong with that -- makes life a lot more easier. 888high58888
Not to mention the drive home is safer. :whistle:
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Nothing wrong with that -- makes life a lot more easier. 888high58888
Indeed it does! I was tasked by the GOP Director to fill a baby wagon with booze for a silent auction at the Picnic Saturday. I merely had to grab the top-shelf stuff off the bar, and voila! $300 bucks worth of booze in 6 bottles. It's good to own a Bar.
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...and it would prevent you from getting lost in your own subdivision trying to find your house too (long story - one of my high school days)
Just turn around and go the other way around the block. Works like a charm. :silly:
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The local Menards started losing business today...
Funny they set the mask policy for today two weeks ago, about a week before cases started rising in this county....
Well we got the axe today.... Our dem governor has ruled that any county with more than four active cases (which is pretty well every county), mask wearing is mandatory in businesses, with the businesses being fined $300 for first incident, and $500 for every incident thereafter.
Flathead county has a total of 100 cases, and most of those are imported by folks coming in to their summer homes.
Sonsabitches are gonna make me do it... whether I damnwell want to or not. Well screw em. I wont anyhow.
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Just turn around and go the other way around the block. Works like a charm. :silly:
Easier said then done.
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What makes you think they aren't obeying? Don't tell me you're believing the press!
See my post above this one. Yet to see if businesses bow to the governors dictate, but I bet they will.
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Well we got the axe today.... Our dem governor has ruled that any county with more than four active cases (which is pretty well every county), mask wearing is mandatory in businesses, with the businesses being fined $300 for first incident, and $500 for every incident thereafter.
Flathead county has a total of 100 cases, and most of those are imported by folks coming in to their summer homes.
Sonsabitches are gonna make me do it... whether I damnwell want to or not. Well screw em. I wont anyhow.
Yes, it seems a bit ridiculous. So far our city council voted against mandating wearing masks but they are advising and requesting that everyone wear masks when entering a business. Today I went to the doctors and there was a sign on the door -- no mask no entry -- but there was a person without a mask in the waiting room. All chairs were 6 ft. apart.
One of these days, this will all be over. happy77
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Yes, it seems a bit ridiculous. So far our city council voted against mandating wearing masks but they are advising and requesting that everyone wear masks when entering a business. Today I went to the doctors and there was a sign on the door -- no mask no entry -- but there was a person without a mask in the waiting room. All chairs were 6 ft. apart.
One of these days, this will all be over. happy77
Ehh... I hate to break it to ya, but.... it won't be 'over' until a DemocRat wins the presidency. Which means that for another four years we will have to endure the left's constant and ongoing attempts to melt down the economy using Corona virus...so they can "dump Trump". They'll be working towards 2024 as soon as their tears (finally) dry on November 4. I have no illusions that it will all go away. And if or when they do win back the WH, we'll all still be doubly screwed as a nation. Sorry.
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See my post above this one. Yet to see if businesses bow to the governors dictate, but I bet they will.
Just show them the Griz beard and demand "Just where should I put it, pal?" Really, I don't see the point in this shit, but there I was, going into Tractor Supply for birdseed. Did our baby quail deserve their feed? We were out.
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See my post above this one. Yet to see if businesses bow to the governors dictate, but I bet they will.
@roamer_1
Of course they will. They have no choice. The government is the one who OWNS THEIR BUSINESS LICENSES. THEY don't own them,they just buy a permit each year to be ALLOWED TO OPERATE a business at that stated address,doing that type of business.
They are completely at the mercy of the state.
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@roamer_1
Of course they will. They have no choice. The government is the one who OWNS THEIR BUSINESS LICENSES. THEY don't own them,they just buy a permit each year to be ALLOWED TO OPERATE a business at that stated address,doing that type of business.
They are completely at the mercy of the state.
True. But are they then going to create a department to go around and make sure businesses are complying?? That's a lot of restaurants, bars, grocery stores, retail shops, etc., to check on or are they going to be real a-holes and give an 800# so people can report businesses not complying. IOW they would have to have a way to reinforce the mandate.
I find it interesting as time has gone on, retailers, offices, doctors, libraries, etc., have all implemented CDC guidelines around here as far as social distancing but yet our city council voted against a mask mandate. Now that our number of cases have increased more people are wearing masks, but I'd say 30% still don't wear a mask. Today, Walmart announced that ALL people must wear masks or no entry -- we'll see how their business fares around here. There is nothing at my neighborhood Walmart that I need that I can't get elsewhere.
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True. But are they then going to create a department to go around and make sure businesses are complying?? That's a lot of restaurants, bars, grocery stores, retail shops, etc., to check on or are they going to be real a-holes and give an 800# so people can report businesses not complying. IOW they would have to have a way to reinforce the mandate.
I find it interesting as time has gone on, retailers, offices, doctors, libraries, etc., have all implemented CDC guidelines around here as far as social distancing but yet our city council voted against a mask mandate. Now that our number of cases have increased more people are wearing masks, but I'd say 30% still don't wear a mask. Today, Walmart announced that ALL people must wear masks or no entry -- we'll see how their business fares around here. There is nothing at my neighborhood Walmart that I need that I can't get elsewhere.
in this state the powers that be don't need a mask police per se. They have people reporting on anyone and any business that doesn't comply. So far, I don't believe it's an organized "secret police," but maybe that is coming.
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in this state the powers that be don't need a mask police per se. They have people reporting on anyone and any business that doesn't comply. So far, I don't believe it's an organized "secret police," but maybe that is coming.
Gottcha. I was surprised that our city council voted the mandate down but glad to see that some of the people who live here full time and have been around awhile still have some clout and most are conservative. happy77
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One of these days, this will all be over. happy77
No it will not. They have found their unicorn - The perfect way to bring everyone to heel, a perfect way to get nervous nancys to inform on their neighbors, a perfect control over businesses..
This won't ever be over till it is put down hard.
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in this state the powers that be don't need a mask police per se. They have people reporting on anyone and any business that doesn't comply. So far, I don't believe it's an organized "secret police," but maybe that is coming.
Karens. They have Karens to report, we've already seen it.
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No it will not. They have found their unicorn - The perfect way to bring everyone to heel, a perfect way to get nervous nancys to inform on their neighbors, a perfect control over businesses..
This won't ever be over till it is put down hard.
I think it's going to be put down, I hope. Good and hard.
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I think it's going to be put down, I hope. Good and hard.
I hope so too, though people are sheep.
As for me, I will just have to hunker down again again. he pantry ain't all the way full. not by a long shot, but here I am eating it down sommore. I can easy go a couple months, and by then I should be past harvest. Looks like I'll be doing it old school this time.
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@roamer_1
Of course they will. They have no choice. The government is the one who OWNS THEIR BUSINESS LICENSES. THEY don't own them,they just buy a permit each year to be ALLOWED TO OPERATE a business at that stated address,doing that type of business.
They are completely at the mercy of the state.
Not if all of em, or a lot of them fail to comply. But that is probably too much to ask for.
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Not if all of em, or a lot of them fail to comply. But that is probably too much to ask for.
@roamer_1
Well,I may be wrong,but I have never lived anywhere or heard of anywhere that you can buy things wholesale without having a business license to operate at a specific location.
Without that license you are going to pay retail or close to it for everything you use or sell,and it would be awful hard to turn a profit and earn a living when you are buying at retail prices.
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@roamer_1
Well,I may be wrong,but I have never lived anywhere or heard of anywhere that you can buy things wholesale without having a business license to operate at a specific location.
Without that license you are going to pay retail or close to it for everything you use or sell,and it would be awful hard to turn a profit and earn a living when you are buying at retail prices.
Not if everyone in town ignored the edict. At that point the edict is nullified.
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Not if everyone in town ignored the edict. At that point the edict is nullified.
@roamer_1
Good luck with that one. You can't even get everybody to show up for free beer and free porn
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The article (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?rfr_dat=cr_pub%3Dpubmed) goes on to discuss the masking protocol in healthcare settings, but even then:It is also clear that masks serve symbolic roles. Masks are not only tools, they are also talismans that may help increase health care workers’ perceived sense of safety, well-being, and trust in their hospitals. Although such reactions may not be strictly logical, we are all subject to fear and anxiety, especially during times of crisis.
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The article (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?rfr_dat=cr_pub%3Dpubmed) goes on to discuss the masking protocol in healthcare settings, but even then:
Yeah! I posted the article here several days ago but I guess only a very few bother to read things like that.
@mountaineer
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Yeah! I posted the article here several days ago but I guess only a very few bother to read things like that.
@mountaineer
It's probably not that few bother to read it, it's more likely that we/they had already read similar findings. All it does is reiterate what we already knew. Wearing the mask is just a 'feel-good' symbolic gesture to make everyone around you feel safer. It's a false sense of security and could end up doing more harm. But we knew that.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdDBVlfX0AA_G0Z?format=jpg&name=900x900)
The article (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?rfr_dat=cr_pub%3Dpubmed) goes on to discuss the masking protocol in healthcare settings, but even then:
It is also clear that masks serve symbolic roles. Masks are not only tools, they are also talismans that may help increase health care workers’ perceived sense of safety, well-being, and trust in their hospitals. Although such reactions may not be strictly logical, we are all subject to fear and anxiety, especially during times of crisis.
I've been calling masks a "talisman" for months. They're that effective, like having a magic broach that makes you invisible or impervious to arrows.
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Ahem! Cough! Cough! About all those positive test results!
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I've been calling masks a "talisman" for months. They're that effective, like having a magic broach that makes you invisible or impervious to arrows.
I actually wish I had a "magic" broach (Harry Potter cloak?) that made me invisible. I'd sneak in with no mask and wreak havoc among all the SJWs by pulling their masks down/off. Damn... that would be fun.
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Ahem! Cough! Cough! About all those positive test results!
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This is starting to look like The Walking Dead. Only, instead of everyone having the virus and turning into a zombie... everyone merely "tests positive" for the Plandemic leftists' cooked books and shutdown agenda. Because...
Orange Man Bad.
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This is starting to look like The Walking Dead. Only, instead of everyone having the virus and turning into a zombie... everyone merely "tests positive" for the Plandemic leftists' cooked books and shutdown agenda. Because...
Orange Man Bad.
This is WAY WAY bigger than the Orange man. This is world wide...
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This is WAY WAY bigger than the Orange man. This is world wide...
Right. And do you see anyone actually holding China accountable for the lives lost and damage done? Me neither.
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Right. And do you see anyone actually holding China accountable for the lives lost and damage done? Me neither.
That's right. But that is little to do with Tumpy. There is a much bigger game afoot.
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Outside this morning. The neighborhood cat, which I call ghost-cat because it has a way of sneaking into my home and has done so many times, came slinking up in all her glorious orange. I petted her without thinking. But now I'm thinking, if I have COVID (which I don't) then didn't I just paint the cat with the virus? Guess if I had a mask on, everybody would still be safe.
Have read several articles about how pets cannot spread the virus. This is beyond STUPID reporting. It is ridiculous. Of course they can. The Left is pushing pets are no danger not to alarm their obviously ignorant base.
It is one thing to say that pets cannot contract COVID. OK. It is an entirely different conclusion to claim that pets cannot spread a virus. In fact, that is the exact Leftist argument against us. That even if we don't get the virus, we can still spread it. However, this apparently does not apply to animals. All of my animals will be fitted with masks today. That is the magic JuJu that stops COVID as we have all be told. If that cat had a mask, by force of law, it could not spread anything.
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Outside this morning. The neighborhood cat, which I call ghost-cat because it has a way of sneaking into my home and has done so many times, came slinking up in all her glorious orange. I petted her without thinking. But now I'm thinking, if I have COVID (which I don't) then didn't I just paint the cat with the virus? Guess if I had a mask on, everybody would still be safe.
Have read several articles about how pets cannot spread the virus. This is beyond STUPID reporting. It is ridiculous. Of course they can. The Left is pushing pets are no danger not to alarm their obviously ignorant base.
It is one thing to say that pets cannot contract COVID. OK. It is an entirely different conclusion to claim that pets cannot spread a virus. In fact, that is the exact Leftist argument against us. That even if we don't get the virus, we can still spread it. However, this apparently does not apply to animals. All of my animals will be fitted with masks today. That is the magic JuJu that stops COVID as we have all be told. If that cat had a mask, by force of law, it could not spread anything.
Uhhhh.....
this is satire.... right?
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https://twitter.com/LorenzoTheCat/status/1276965449331281920/photo/1
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Yes, it seems a bit ridiculous. So far our city council voted against mandating wearing masks but they are advising and requesting that everyone wear masks when entering a business. Today I went to the doctors and there was a sign on the door -- no mask no entry -- but there was a person without a mask in the waiting room. All chairs were 6 ft. apart. One of these days, this will all be over.
@libertybele
@mystery-ak
liberty, there are reasons some people cannot wear a mask. I am sure that is what you saw in the doctor's office when one person did not have a mask on. There was a sign in my doctor's office this week which listed conditions for one not to wear a mask.
Other information:
Doctors/nurses in hospitals treating/close to patients that have a communicable disease, have always worn N95 masks and face shields, from the time they were available, plus a gown to protect their clothing, plus special gloves. Cloth masks only stop "some" of nose/mouth excretions of the wearer, but that is better than nothing.
I had appointment with family doctor 3 days ago, and wore an N95 and a face shield. The doctor asked where I got the N95. Told him I had a box full due to being an EMT. He said I was lucky I had those. He knows they work.
I will be getting a new mask from England. My son found these being made by a company that started making them after the virus became bad there. They are a triple cloth (the cloth is an English made cloth), and with a removable filter and another filter included in the order. Tests done with an aerosol showed the mask does filter 90% of the aerosol released in the air near the mask. At 3 ft. from an infected person, you are safe with this mask, and at 6 ft., you are safe with this mask. This does not protect the eyes.
Regular glasses help, but there are special glasses for this, but if one uses a face shield along with this new mask, the eyes are protected along with the nose and mouth.
People here who think this is a hoax, think this is a government move to make them do something they do not want to do, are ridiculous. They are like children, "But Mommm, I don't want to do that."
Here in Texas, we know how bad it is. We had 10,975 new cases yesterday, July 15. Corpus Christi had 500 new cases yesterday. Refrigerated trucks are here and more coming in to store dead bodies due to so many dying and one or more of these new trucks are going to Corpus Christi.
I don't know what Gov. Abbott will do next, whether he will issue an executive order restricting people to their houses and shut down business as was done earlier. I JUST SAW GOV. ABBOTT ON TV WHILE WRITING THIS: HE SAYS HE WILL NOT SHUT DOWN TEXAS AGAIN.
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It's probably not that few bother to read it, it's more likely that we/they had already read similar findings. All it does is reiterate what we already knew. Wearing the mask is just a 'feel-good' symbolic gesture to make everyone around you feel safer. It's a false sense of security and could end up doing more harm. But we knew that.
@XenaLee
That is half the reason I wear my Lincoln Welding face shield.
The other half is I got tired of having to tell people I didn't even know that I am exempt from the state requirement to wear a mask because I have COPD. I was just about to the point where I was ready to start grabbing and holding people by the throat as I explained it,and decided to just do myself a favor and reduce stress by wearing the shield. It didn't affect my breathing in any way,and I already had it anyhow,so it seemed like the best solution.
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That's right. But that is little to do with Tumpy. There is a much bigger game afoot.
Well, duh. We're at war and we don't even know it.
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What Are We Doing to Our Children?
Jul 16
Written By Denise McAllisterThe North Carolina governor has issued a decree that all students returning to school in the fall must wear a mask and social distance. This, despite the fact that 99.9 percent of children who get COVID don’t die from it and most don’t even have symptoms. Comparably, more children K–12 die from various other forms of the flu than from COVID, yet we are perpetuating a culture of fear among children in a form of politicized mass hysteria that treats COVID as if it were the Black Plague, which had a 100 percent mortality rate in its respiratory form across ALL demographics.
I have to ask, What are we doing to our children? Some would say we’re protecting them. Others would add that we’re protecting any vulnerable adults they might come in contact with—despite growing evidence that young children are not contagious because the virus does not hang onto them like it does older people. We are also getting more evidence that people are not as contagious when they’re asymptomatic, as once believed, which means that standard protocol for any sickness would be sufficient—stay at home if you’re sick or if you immuno-compromised.
Instead of using common sense, we’re covering our young children and enshrouding them in an environment of fear, all the while calling it “kindness to others.†This could have damaging long-term effects on our children that far outweigh any threat from COVID. ...
More (https://romansone.com/editorial/what-are-we-doing-to-our-children)
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Right. And do you see anyone actually holding China accountable for the lives lost and damage done? Me neither.
China needs to pay dearly.
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What happened to the virus dies in the heat therefore summer months should kill it off? Seems like it was wrong.
If it's wrong, it should rule out any "second wave" talk.
We do know it spreads in close quarters, in which weather is largely irrelevant. If you're close to a person, you'll breathe in their droplets before the sun has a chance to kill it, inside or out, which is why it was incredibly stupid for public officials to turn a blind eye to the riots and protests. BUT... the fomite hypothesis, the idea that it can be picked up on surfaces (which hasn't really been proven or disproven), might be affected. Untraceable infections from surfaces and wind stirring up the virus on the ground and allowing it to be inhaled might pick up in the winter months with less UV light.
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If it's wrong, it should rule out any "second wave" talk.
Once it got hot and dry in AZ it really picked up here. Hopefully monsoon will come along upping the humidity calming it down a little.
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Looking at the Worldometers charts, it appears Arizona seems to have begun to turn their situation around. Florida might have, but it's not quite clear yet. Texas is still having issues.
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If it's wrong, it should rule out any "second wave" talk.
We do know it spreads in close quarters, in which weather is largely irrelevant. If you're close to a person, you'll breathe in their droplets before the sun has a chance to kill it, inside or out, which is why it was incredibly stupid for public officials to turn a blind eye to the riots and protests. BUT... the fomite hypothesis, the idea that it can be picked up on surfaces (which hasn't really been proven or disproven), might be affected. Untraceable infections from surfaces and wind stirring up the virus on the ground and allowing it to be inhaled might pick up in the winter months with less UV light.
It is well known that with higher humidity it degrades how long viruses can linger in the air. It isn't understood why but there's a high correlation between humidity and viral infection rate.
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@libertybele
@mystery-ak
liberty, there are reasons some people cannot wear a mask. I am sure that is what you saw in the doctor's office when one person did not have a mask on. There was a sign in my doctor's office this week which listed conditions for one not to wear a mask.
Other information:
Doctors/nurses in hospitals treating/close to patients that have a communicable disease, have always worn N95 masks and face shields, from the time they were available, plus a gown to protect their clothing, plus special gloves. Cloth masks only stop "some" of nose/mouth excretions of the wearer, but that is better than nothing.
I had appointment with family doctor 3 days ago, and wore an N95 and a face shield. The doctor asked where I got the N95. Told him I had a box full due to being an EMT. He said I was lucky I had those. He knows they work.
I will be getting a new mask from England. My son found these being made by a company that started making them after the virus became bad there. They are a triple cloth (the cloth is an English made cloth), and with a removable filter and another filter included in the order. Tests done with an aerosol showed the mask does filter 90% of the aerosol released in the air near the mask. At 3 ft. from an infected person, you are safe with this mask, and at 6 ft., you are safe with this mask. This does not protect the eyes.
Regular glasses help, but there are special glasses for this, but if one uses a face shield along with this new mask, the eyes are protected along with the nose and mouth.
People here who think this is a hoax, think this is a government move to make them do something they do not want to do, are ridiculous. They are like children, "But Mommm, I don't want to do that."
Here in Texas, we know how bad it is. We had 10,975 new cases yesterday, July 15. Corpus Christi had 500 new cases yesterday. Refrigerated trucks are here and more coming in to store dead bodies due to so many dying and one or more of these new trucks are going to Corpus Christi.
I don't know what Gov. Abbott will do next, whether he will issue an executive order restricting people to their houses and shut down business as was done earlier. I JUST SAW GOV. ABBOTT ON TV WHILE WRITING THIS: HE SAYS HE WILL NOT SHUT DOWN TEXAS AGAIN.
@Victoria33 I purchased a couple of silicone masks with some sort of adhesive on the side for a disposable filters and I purchased extra filters. Woah, talk about hot and I had a hard time breathing, I could hardly wait to get out of the store so I could take it off. Anyways, I would be interested in purchasing the filters you mentioned from England if you could provide that information, I would appreciate it. I only have one anti-viral mask that I purchased years ago left. So, all I currently have are the silicone masks that I can't breathe out of or the flimsy paper masks that are cheaply made and don't seem likely to do a whole lot.
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People here who think this is (...) a government move to make them do something they do not want to do, are ridiculous. They are like children, "But Mommm, I don't want to do that."
Such extreme, prolonged and widespread measures have never been attempted for virus control in America's history. The idea that government is using this as a plot to seize power and kill off the notion of limited government is not only possible, not even just likely, but proven—as anyone who has watched a Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer or Andrew Cuomo press conference can attest. Denying this is what is ridiculous.
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@libertybele
@mystery-ak
liberty, there are reasons some people cannot wear a mask. I am sure that is what you saw in the doctor's office when one person did not have a mask on. There was a sign in my doctor's office this week which listed conditions for one not to wear a mask.
Other information:
Doctors/nurses in hospitals treating/close to patients that have a communicable disease, have always worn N95 masks and face shields, from the time they were available, plus a gown to protect their clothing, plus special gloves. Cloth masks only stop "some" of nose/mouth excretions of the wearer, but that is better than nothing.
I had appointment with family doctor 3 days ago, and wore an N95 and a face shield. The doctor asked where I got the N95. Told him I had a box full due to being an EMT. He said I was lucky I had those. He knows they work.
I will be getting a new mask from England. My son found these being made by a company that started making them after the virus became bad there. They are a triple cloth (the cloth is an English made cloth), and with a removable filter and another filter included in the order. Tests done with an aerosol showed the mask does filter 90% of the aerosol released in the air near the mask. At 3 ft. from an infected person, you are safe with this mask, and at 6 ft., you are safe with this mask. This does not protect the eyes.
Regular glasses help, but there are special glasses for this, but if one uses a face shield along with this new mask, the eyes are protected along with the nose and mouth.
People here who think this is a hoax, think this is a government move to make them do something they do not want to do, are ridiculous. They are like children, "But Mommm, I don't want to do that."
Here in Texas, we know how bad it is. We had 10,975 new cases yesterday, July 15. Corpus Christi had 500 new cases yesterday. Refrigerated trucks are here and more coming in to store dead bodies due to so many dying and one or more of these new trucks are going to Corpus Christi.
I don't know what Gov. Abbott will do next, whether he will issue an executive order restricting people to their houses and shut down business as was done earlier. I JUST SAW GOV. ABBOTT ON TV WHILE WRITING THIS: HE SAYS HE WILL NOT SHUT DOWN TEXAS AGAIN.
Before masks became particularly political: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?rfr_dat=cr_pub%3Dpubmed (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?rfr_dat=cr_pub%3Dpubmed)
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Such extreme, prolonged and widespread measures have never been attempted for virus control in America's history. The idea that government is using this as a plot to seize power and kill off the notion of limited government is not only possible, not even just likely, but proven—as anyone who has watched a Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer or Andrew Cuomo press conference can attest. Denying this is what is ridiculous.
A paper or cloth mask is strictly psychological. It is "doing something" to make people feel safer. There's lots of data regarding masks and virus spread prior to this event. None that I've seen supports the claim that these masks do squat. As the New England Journal of Medicine article above states.
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@Victoria33 I purchased a couple of silicone masks with some sort of adhesive on the side for a disposable filters and I purchased extra filters. Woah, talk about hot and I had a hard time breathing, I could hardly wait to get out of the store so I could take it off. Anyways, I would be interested in purchasing the filters you mentioned from England if you could provide that information, I would appreciate it. I only have one anti-viral mask that I purchased years ago left. So, all I currently have are the silicone masks that I can't breathe out of or the flimsy paper masks that are cheaply made and don't seem likely to do a whole lot.
If you really are worried, go buy a painter's respirator and a roll of paper and charcoal filters. Twenty should cover the mask.
It has a skull cap you cinch down once the silicone mask is in place. It has an exahust port, so your exhalation moisture evacuates... I have literally been in one of those masks all day long. many a time. Way more comfortable, and far more effective.
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Such extreme, prolonged and widespread measures have never been attempted for virus control in America's history. The idea that government is using this as a plot to seize power and kill off the notion of limited government is not only possible, not even just likely, but proven—as anyone who has watched a Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer or Andrew Cuomo press conference can attest. Denying this is what is ridiculous.
That's right.
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I got an email from Sam's Club they will start mandatory masks for shoppers 7/20. Heard Wallyworld will do the same.
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I got an email from Sam's Club they will start mandatory masks for shoppers 7/20. Heard Wallyworld will do the same.
Yeah, I got that too. Yaay! Free spit masks!
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If you really are worried, go buy a painter's respirator and a roll of paper and charcoal filters. Twenty should cover the mask.
It has a skull cap you cinch down once the silicone mask is in place. It has an exahust port, so your exhalation moisture evacuates... I have literally been in one of those masks all day long. many a time. Way more comfortable, and far more effective.
Only problem is, Home Depot, Lowe's, Ace Hardware, Amazon and the local paint shops have been out of stock for months.
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Once it got hot and dry in AZ it really picked up here. Hopefully monsoon will come along upping the humidity calming it down a little.
Maybe it hitch hikes on dust....
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Maybe it hitch hikes on dust....
It migrates through children's nightmares and wafts into existence in the shadows of demons. It is impervious to heat and light, and cold and dark... It swims in oceans and is found on the highest peaks. And the only hope we have is in a magical elixer called 'vaccine', made from the dust of a thousand unicorn farts...
We are well and truly all going to die.
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Only problem is, Home Depot, Lowe's, Ace Hardware, Amazon and the local paint shops have been out of stock for months.
Yeah, yeah... My local paint house has em... out back... you know, for painters. If you have kith or kin that is in the business... well, you know...
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Maybe it hitch hikes on dust....
Humidity doesn't seem to have an impact. We average right now 80-90% humidity in SWFL even along the coast -- our cases are out of control. Another 13,000+ cases today and another 150+ deaths.
Everyone is running their air conditioners right now too, so I'm sure that has a lot to do with it.
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Sam's said they would provide a mask.
Run in a circle 24 times and you have dozens.
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It migrates through children's nightmares and wafts into existence in the shadows of demons. It is impervious to heat and light, and cold and dark... It swims in oceans and is found on the highest peaks. And the only hope we have is in a magical elixer called 'vaccine', made from the dust of a thousand unicorn farts...
We are well and truly all going to die.
I KNEW it!
That sh*t IS hiding under the bed!
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Humidity doesn't seem to have an impact. We average right now 80-90% humidity in SWFL even along the coast -- our cases are out of control. Another 13,000+ cases today and another 150+ deaths.
Everyone is running their air conditioners right now too, so I'm sure that has a lot to do with it.
Shut down the AC, clean the filter and spray it down with disinfectant...once a week.
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Sam's said they would provide a mask.
Run in a circle 24 times and you have dozens.
The Sam's near me has curbside now...like the Walmart. That means I don't get the chance to swipe a dozen or two spit masks. The upside is I don't have to see Walmartians.
I have to pick up some stuff at Home Despot tomorrow, maybe I'll use the app to have them leave the stuff in the lockers in the front of the store. I'm lazy AF.
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Shut down the AC, clean the filter and spray it down with disinfectant...once a week.
I change out the filter every 30 days, and yes, I've been spraying the filter with Lysol since the Chinese virus paid the U.S.A. a visit. I open the front and back of the house to get a cross breeze every morning for a bit so at least some "new" air is circulating. Some people spray down the coils on the air handler, but I think that would probably harm the unit??
The other alternative would be to have a UV air filter installed.
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I change out the filter every 30 days, and yes, I've been spraying the filter with Lysol since the Chinese virus paid the U.S.A. a visit. I open the front and back of the house to get a cross breeze every morning for a bit so at least some "new" air is circulating. Some people spray down the coils on the air handler, but I think that would probably harm the unit??
The other alternative would be to have a UV air filter installed.
Just move to Idaho.
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Just move to Idaho.
:beer: Ya, well, there's a few places that I probably should have moved to; Colorado, Utah. I have lived in two extreme climates; Fairbanks Alaska and SW Florida and I've been living in this subtropical paradise (hurricanes excluded) for almost 30 years. I am not so sure that the cold is for me; mountains and mountain air absolutely yes, but the winter cold, not so sure I could tolerate it anymore.
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:beer: Ya, well, there's a few places that I probably should have moved to; Colorado, Utah. I have lived in two extreme climates; Fairbanks Alaska and SW Florida and I've been living in this subtropical paradise (hurricanes excluded) for almost 30 years. I am not so sure that the cold is for me; mountains and mountain air absolutely yes, but the winter cold, not so sure I could tolerate it anymore.
Our winters have been mild the last few years.
But we have had a cool spring and summer this year. Back in the first half of June still using the furnace with highs in the 40s and 50s. Tomorrow it is supposed to be 95. Should have been there a month ago.
Mornings are cold. 49 This morning. And that was the high for the low this week.
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:beer: Ya, well, there's a few places that I probably should have moved to; Colorado, Utah. I have lived in two extreme climates; Fairbanks Alaska and SW Florida and I've been living in this subtropical paradise (hurricanes excluded) for almost 30 years. I am not so sure that the cold is for me; mountains and mountain air absolutely yes, but the winter cold, not so sure I could tolerate it anymore.
Meh... Don't have to be that way... Down south of right here, in the Hot Springs area, the winters are nearly always mild. And believe it or not, they have hot springs!!
And no doubt you know that a good wood fire chases all the cold away. And what's the difference between staying in your house all summer or staying in your house all winter?
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Before masks became particularly political: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?rfr_dat=cr_pub%3Dpubmed (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?rfr_dat=cr_pub%3Dpubmed)
Exactly.
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Meh... Don't have to be that way... Down south of right here, in the Hot Springs area, the winters are nearly always mild. And believe it or not, they have hot springs!!
And no doubt you know that a good wood fire chases all the cold away. And what's the difference between staying in your house all summer or staying in your house all winter?
When we lived up north a wood stove was a luxury to me. I don't miss Michigan where I lived a good portion of my life. Too gloomy and overcast all the time. I do love the mountains, there is just no denying that.
Here I don't stay in all summer; I usually walk the parks in the morning when it is cooler or in the evening when it's a bit cooler, so I'm not cooped up all day, or I do some yard work in the morning. I go outside a couple of times during the day and just walk around in the yard or play with the dog, sometimes I'll sit outside on the porch and read a book (I'm used to the heat). In the wintertime, I do about the same, I just put on long sleeves and pants and a warm jacket on our coldest days. So I'm able to go outside most days. Before we moved we had a pool, so I was outside most of the time, but in downsizing a pool was no longer an option. It's ok when they're first built, but after awhile you have to start replacing filters, pool pumps, lanai decking and screens, and then you have the cost of chlorine and other chemicals, etc. and the cost of the electricity to run the pump for at least 8 hours to avoid algae.
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When we lived up north a wood stove was a luxury to me. I don't miss Michigan where I lived a good portion of my life. Too gloomy and overcast all the time. I do love the mountains, there is just no denying that.
Here I don't stay in all summer; I usually walk the parks in the morning when it is cooler or in the evening when it's a bit cooler, so I'm not cooped up all day, or I do some yard work in the morning. I go outside a couple of times during the day and just walk around in the yard or play with the dog, sometimes I'll sit outside on the porch and read a book (I'm used to the heat). In the wintertime, I do about the same, I just put on long sleeves and pants and a warm jacket on our coldest days. So I'm able to go outside most days. Before we moved we had a pool, so I was outside most of the time, but in downsizing a pool was no longer an option. It's ok when they're first built, but after awhile you have to start replacing filters, pool pumps, lanai decking and screens, and then you have the cost of chlorine and other chemicals, etc. and the cost of the electricity to run the pump for at least 8 hours to avoid algae.
I ain't never had a pool, and wouldn't want one. I think all they do is make it easier to avoid the river, which is where i would prefer to be anyhow.
But I am fixin to get me a Jacuzzi. When the back porch goes on that is allowed for (on the other side from the outdoor kitchen). Mine will be a cedar tub, and wood fired. An absolutely necessary piece of kit for an elder. But for it to actually work, it has to be your own, where you can slide out of it, into a hot shower, and fall directly into bed. Every other scenario is faulty.
But I get out most days, even in the winter. I am no longer tied to chores, as my sons pick it up when I won't, so it would be easy enough to forego in inclement times. But I learned long ago to be out in it anyway... Because I get used to it quick enough, and that is the secret to survival anywhere.
Even so, other than the big freeze, usually in Jan, where we go 10's or 20's below pretty regularly for 2 weeks to a month, and outside of the odd year where we get buried in snow (One of those in the 7 years I have been here, where I literally had no place else to put it), for the most part, we stay in the 20's and 30's as a rule... It ain't all that.
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Mindy Robinson @iheartmindy
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Cloth masks are the equivalent of wearing a sock as a condom. It’s uncomfortable, looks dumb, and absolutely doesn’t work.
#NoMoreMasks
Amen.
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Amen.
To which?
:silly:
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Amen.
@mountaineer
Yeah,but deys stylish! Doan yew wanna be different and stylish like eberbodie else?
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I sewed a cloth mask that I deliberately made loose. It is my Walmart/Kroger mask. It falls down all the time, rarely covering the nose and barely covering my mouth. The stores require masks, but they don't require them to fit. Considering most people's masks are worn improperly and they don't do anything to prevent the spread, anyway, I have no remorse. :whistle:
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I sewed a cloth mask that I deliberately made loose. It is my Walmart/Kroger mask. It falls down all the time, rarely covering the nose and barely covering my mouth. The stores require masks, but they don't require them to fit. Considering most people's masks are worn improperly and they don't do anything to prevent the spread, anyway, I have no remorse. :whistle:
:yowsa: 888high58888
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NOW I Know!
What they meant by put a sock in it.
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Don't forget your mask this weekend!
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Don't forget your mask this weekend!
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/campus.reform/15269/bigstock-Woman-With-Mask-In-Bar-Having--369266251.jpg)
"Cold" filtered, right?
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Filters everything but the hops and malt.
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From the Canadian publication, the Post Millennial:
Making face masks mandatory is not backed by science or law
Government policies are still based on the panic of March, rather than on the facts known in July.
John Carpay
July 25, 2020 10:30 AM
Some Canadian municipalities are passing laws that force all citizens to wear non-medical masks in indoor places open to the public, including (for example) shopping malls and houses of worship.
The people who brought us the harm-causing lockdowns are the same people now wanting to make mask-wearing compulsory. The curve is flat, and has been for months. COVID-19 deaths peaked in March or April (depending on which jurisdiction) and now continue to decline, even while increased testing exposes more "cases." If masks were not required to flatten the curve, why should they be required now?
Many leading doctors and public health officials from around the world support mandatory mask-wearing. But this does not mean that the science is settled.
One study states that cloth masks pose a 13 percent increased risk of influenza-like illness infection to those wearing them, noting that "moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks, and poor filtration may result in an increased risk of infection." This past April, the World Health Organization (WHO) also confirmed that masks "offer a false sense of security, leading to potentially less adherence to other preventive measures." ...
Read entire article (https://thepostmillennial.com/making-face-masks-mandatory-is-not-backed-by-science-or-law)
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I’m thinking of getting a medieval plague mask. What do you all think?
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I’m thinking of getting a medieval plague mask. What do you all think?
Sounds good to me. I want one with a cat face on it. Saw a photo of a woman wearing one while holding her cat. The face on the mask was of a black and white cat similar to the cat the woman was holding.
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Sounds good to me. I want one with a cat face on it. Saw a photo of a woman wearing one while holding her cat. The face on the mask was of a black and white cat similar to the cat the woman was holding.
Ooh! Yes! I’ve seen cat and dog masks that the profits go to different shelters.
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I’m thinking of getting a medieval plague mask. What do you all think?
I don't think it worked that well...I do like the look!
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Scientists tested 14 types of masks — here are the ones that worked and didn’t
By Tamar Lapin
August 9, 2020 | 3:40pm
Bandannas, gaiters and knitted masks are some of the least effective face coverings for preventing the spread of coronavirus, according to a new study.
Researchers at Duke University made the discovery while testing 14 different types of masks, according to the study published Friday.
N95 masks, often used by health care professionals, worked best to stop the transmission of respiratory droplets during regular speech.
Other good performers at stopping leakage were three-layer surgical masks and cotton masks, which can be made at home, the researchers with Duke’s physics department found. ... More at NY Post (https://nypost.com/2020/08/09/scientists-tested-14-types-of-masks-in-preventing-spread-of-covid-19/)
*****rollingeyes*****
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/masks.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1)
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Scientists tested 14 types of masks — here are the ones that worked and didn’t
By Tamar Lapin
August 9, 2020 | 3:40pm
Bandannas, gaiters and knitted masks are some of the least effective face coverings for preventing the spread of coronavirus, according to a new study.
Researchers at Duke University made the discovery while testing 14 different types of masks, according to the study published Friday.
N95 masks, often used by health care professionals, worked best to stop the transmission of respiratory droplets during regular speech.
Other good performers at stopping leakage were three-layer surgical masks and cotton masks, which can be made at home, the researchers with Duke’s physics department found. ... More at NY Post (https://nypost.com/2020/08/09/scientists-tested-14-types-of-masks-in-preventing-spread-of-covid-19/)
*****rollingeyes*****
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/masks.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1)
@mountaineer
The BEST ones stop ALL transmissions going AND coming,AND don't restrict your breathing.
They are the face shields used in machine shops for grinding and cutting steel. Shatterproof thick plastic lenses that flip up and sit more than an inch from your face in the lowered positions. They are open at both the top and the bottom,so there is good air circulation and they don't fog up.
Other manufacturers of welding equipment make quality versions,I just picked a Lincoln because that is what I have. Been using it for years in my workshop and while working in the yard cutting grass or brush with a weedwhacker. Beats the hell out of having stuff like briars thrown in your face.
http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=lincoln+face+shield (http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=lincoln+face+shield)
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Well, I have two reusable face masks that are cotton and Lycra (the Lycra is in the elastic bands that go over the ears). Then someone gave me a box of disposable face masks -- not sure what they are made of -- paper? I doubt either type of mask wards off COVID. Doubt any of them other than maybe the N95 masks do. But wearing some sort of mask is required if I want to enter any business or just about any other public place. And my wearing one makes others feel safe. So I wear a mask for others, not for myself.
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I made a three layer cloth mask, and intentionally sewed it so it would fit loosely. It is required for the grocery store, church and other places I need to enter. It doesn't protect me or any other person from the virus. We are living in a $&*! Fantasy land.
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I made a three layer cloth mask, and intentionally sewed it so it would fit loosely. It is required for the grocery store, church and other places I need to enter. It doesn't protect me or any other person from the virus. We are living in a $&*! Fantasy land.
Yep! Your mask is every bit as effective as any of the others in protecting anyone from a virus.
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Well, I have two reusable face masks that are cotton and Lycra (the Lycra is in the elastic bands that go over the ears). Then someone gave me a box of disposable face masks -- not sure what they are made of -- paper? I doubt either type of mask wards off COVID. Doubt any of them other than maybe the N95 masks do.
@Applewood
The N95 masks have N95 clearly stamped on them.
But wearing some sort of mask is required if I want to enter any business or just about any other public place. And my wearing one makes others feel safe. So I wear a mask for others, not for myself.
So does everyone else,whether they realize it or not.
I wear my face shield for two reasons. One is as a courtesy to others,and the other is I just got tired of explaining to pushy strangers that I was exempt from being required to wear a mask because I have COPD.
Life is just more pleasant for both me and others if I wear it,so I wear it.
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I made a three layer cloth mask, and intentionally sewed it so it would fit loosely. It is required for the grocery store, church and other places I need to enter. It doesn't protect me or any other person from the virus. We are living in a $&*! Fantasy land.
Fantasy land? More like a dystopia.
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@Applewood
The N95 masks have N95 clearly stamped on them.
Yeah, I know. They are as scarce as hen's teeth, at least around here, so I couldn't get an N95 mask even if I wanted to. And I would rather they be available for the medical people and others "on the front lines" than for myself.
So does everyone else, whether they realize it or not.
I wear my face shield for two reasons. One is as a courtesy to others, and the other is I just got tired of explaining to pushy strangers that I was exempt from being required to wear a mask because I have COPD.
Life is just more pleasant for both me and others if I wear it,so I wear it.
Then a face shield is a good idea for you. Me? I said this before. I draw the line at masks. I refuse to look like a character from Star Wars or Star Trek. There are "experts" who actually say we should wear both. Ummmmmmmm....NO!
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Yeah, I know. They are as scarce as hen's teeth, at least around here, so I couldn't get an N95 mask even if I wanted to. And I would rather they be available for the medical people and others "on the front lines" than for myself.
@Applewood
I found several of them in my shop when this whole thing started,and just gave them to a local doctor's office. They couldn't find any to buy,even when they were going to for 75+ bucks a pop,and I figured they needed them more than I did.
Then a face shield is a good idea for you.
Oh,yeah.They don't restrict my breathing at all,and even stop "splatter" from other people's coughing or sneezing from reaching me. Has a nice,comfortable padded adjustable headband,so it's no bother at all to wear.
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Yeah, I know. They are as scarce as hen's teeth, at least around here, so I couldn't get an N95 mask even if I wanted to. And I would rather they be available for the medical people and others "on the front lines" than for myself.
Then a face shield is a good idea for you. Me? I said this before. I draw the line at masks. I refuse to look like a character from Star Wars or Star Trek. There are "experts" who actually say we should wear both. Ummmmmmmm....NO!
I don't know that I'd trust ones printed with "N95" in the current state of things. Easy to add the stamp and sell it for more. I have no doubt the Chinese have already done so. Who's going to test it to prove that it is N95 capable...
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I made a three layer cloth mask, and intentionally sewed it so it would fit loosely. It is required for the grocery store, church and other places I need to enter. It doesn't protect me or any other person from the virus. We are living in a $&*! Fantasy land.
Yep. It’s security theater for the gullible. “Let’s all pretend†like children at play.
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"Wear a face covering when you go out in public. It is not an inconvenience. It is not a suppression of your freedom. It actually Is a vehicle to achieve our goals," Adams said during a briefing with members of the White House coronavirus task force.
My ass it's not about suppression.
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‘We see no point in wearing a face mask,’ Sweden’s top virus expert says as he touts the country’s improving COVID numbers (https://fortune.com/2020/07/29/no-point-in-wearing-mask-sweden-covid/)
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I don't think it worked that well...I do like the look!
@Cyber Liberty @Gefn dude walked into my local Walmart wearing one the other day. Saw him as I was leaving. He was getting some weird looks.
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Yep! Your mask is every bit as effective as any of the others in protecting anyone from a virus.
I wear masks intermittently to protect myself from Karens with the vapors. That is all I really expect the mask to do.
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I don't know that I'd trust ones printed with "N95" in the current state of things. Easy to add the stamp and sell it for more. I have no doubt the Chinese have already done so. Who's going to test it to prove that it is N95 capable...
@DB
I have said before that I already had a box of 20 N95s, box of 50 surgical masks with eye protection, and box of 25 face shields. I had those due to being an EMT and also because I am a prepper. I didn't need to have those due to being an EMT, but I could get them a few years ago, and my prepper mind told me to have them. I have given away 8 of the N95s, 4 each to two older couples plus some of the other ones to them.
N95 is stamped as such on the lower half of the mask along with 3M, the company that made them, and a bunch of numbers identifying the batch.
Had to go to dentist this past week due to a TMJ problem on left side of face. Answered their questions on the phone about had I left the country or been close to anyone who had the virus. I printed the forms off their website and had those filled out when I went there.
When there, had to sit in car and call them. A woman came to get me; she took my temp while still in the car. I was wearing a N95. She took me inside straight to a patient room, not the lobby.
When dentist and she came in, off went the mask. They began to examine inside my mouth and left side of face, naturally they were close to me with their hands on me. I don't think I could be them and do that. Talk about up close and personal... in a pandemic...
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I'm happy to report I just had to run into town to get some paint at the hardware store. Nobody there was wearing a mask. :silly:
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@DB
I have said before that I already had a box of 20 N95s, box of 50 surgical masks with eye protection, and box of 25 face shields. I had those due to being an EMT and also because I am a prepper. I didn't need to have those due to being an EMT, but I could get them a few years ago, and my prepper mind told me to have them. I have given away 8 of the N95s, 4 each to two older couples plus some of the other ones to them.
N95 is stamped as such on the lower half of the mask along with 3M, the company that made them, and a bunch of numbers identifying the batch.
Had to go to dentist this past week due to a TMJ problem on left side of face. Answered their questions on the phone about had I left the country or been close to anyone who had the virus. I printed the forms off their website and had those filled out when I went there.
When there, had to sit in car and call them. A woman came to get me; she took my temp while still in the car. I was wearing a N95. She took me inside straight to a patient room, not the lobby.
When dentist and she came in, off went the mask. They began to examine inside my mouth and left side of face, naturally they were close to me with their hands on me. I don't think I could be them and do that. Talk about up close and personal... in a pandemic...
I had 80 N95 masks from before all this started so I was lucky. They were also 3M. My dentist had patients wash their mouth with mouthwash when first brought into the room along with taking my temperature...
I would bet a good number of N95 masks being sold these days are counterfeit.
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I'm happy to report I just had to run into town to get some paint at the hardware store. Nobody there was wearing a mask. :silly:
I live in a largely Asian and LIV (low information voter) neighborhood. Masks are all I ever see; people driving in cars, while jogging, shopping in stores, exercising in parks, walking along empty streets, all with masks on.
This is insane.
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The BEST ones stop ALL transmissions going AND coming,AND don't restrict your breathing.
They are the face shields used in machine shops for grinding and cutting steel. Shatterproof thick plastic lenses that flip up and sit more than an inch from your face in the lowered positions. They are open at both the top and the bottom,so there is good air circulation and they don't fog up.
You know that's nonsense, right @sneakypete ? You are seeing 'transmission' as directional - It's not. Well some small fraction is... a cough or a sneeze. alright. But the most of it is wafting and roiling, to include what happens as the sneeze loses it's force. More like smoke. Go walk through smoke - That's how protected you are. And that's how protected mask wearers are too... A respirator is just starting to have a reasonable effect as a filter. Everything less is a pacifier, having no real effect at all.
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I made a three layer cloth mask, and intentionally sewed it so it would fit loosely. It is required for the grocery store, church and other places I need to enter. It doesn't protect me or any other person from the virus. We are living in a $&*! Fantasy land.
Absolutely right.
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I had 80 N95 masks from before all this started so I was lucky. They were also 3M. My dentist had patients wash their mouth with mouthwash when first brought into the room along with taking my temperature...
I would bet a good number of N95 masks being sold these days are counterfeit.
Actually, there are plenty that exceed N95. N95 is a standard. A goofy ass standard depicting a particular particulate filtering capacity. All it's there for is to make the mask 'medical' and worth 5x the money that many REAL masks used in poor environments meet or exceed. 3Ms vaunted N95 is a direct knock-off of their light-duty construction respirator - the only difference being the color and the 'N95' logo.
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I had 80 N95 masks from before all this started so I was lucky. They were also 3M. My dentist had patients wash their mouth with mouthwash when first brought into the room along with taking my temperature... I would bet a good number of N95 masks being sold these days are counterfeit.
@DB
I agree - there are so many bad people, I'm sure some have made fate N95s.
I forgot to mention the dentist's office also had me rinse mouth for 30 seconds with Listerine mouthwash.
I also didn't say, but it is true, it is hard to breathe a long time with an N95 on because it fits so securely, and in this Texas heat of 100 degrees, it is double hard to breathe, and sweat pours off my face.
Because I am elderly, likely older than anyone here, I am vulnerable to the disease so I don't go where people are, except to doctors when necessary.
Don't say anything bad about Amazon - that is the way I get what I need; I amble down their streets and go into many of their stores - that is my escape from the sameness of this house. :beer:
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Actually, there are plenty that exceed N95. N95 is a standard. A goofy ass standard depicting a particular particulate filtering capacity. All it's there for is to make the mask 'medical' and worth 5x the money that many REAL masks used in poor environments meet or exceed. 3Ms vaunted N95 is a direct knock-off of their light-duty construction respirator - the only difference being the color and the 'N95' logo.
Bovine Scatology over and over.
None of the masks you promote keep out viruses. Medical people know this - hospitals do not allow doctors/nurses to use industrial type masks. They keep large particles from getting to you but not viruses. Now, you are going to yell and make a post to me as you have before about this. You know a lot of things, bunches about computers, and tools, and trucks, but you don't know medicine. You know we are friends to the end and we decided not to get married. wink777
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Bovine Scatology over and over.
None of the masks you promote keep out viruses. Medical people know this - hospitals do not allow doctors/nurses to use industrial type masks. They keep large particles from getting to you but not viruses. Now, you are going to yell and make a post to me as you have before about this. You know a lot of things, bunches about computers, and tools, and trucks, but you don't know medicine. You know we are friends to the end and we decided not to get married. wink777
Trump signed a specific executive order early on ALLOWING 3m to distribute their industrial counterpart as a medical mask, because other than the n95 logo it's the same damn mask. That immediately released several million more masks into medical use, a move that gained my applause.
Look it up.
The N95 mark only denotes a standard - one that many masks meet or exceed. ALL masks are measured by particulate filtering. That's all they do. And an N95 respirator is in no way superior to a common paint respirator with the proper filters. In fact, a common paint respirator can vastly exceed an N95 standard with specialized filters designed to keep out volatile vapors.
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I also didn't say, but it is true, it is hard to breathe a long time with an N95 on because it fits so securely, and in this Texas heat of 100 degrees, it is double hard to breathe, and sweat pours off my face.
There's a reason for that: A N95 mask will start clogging the moment you walk out into the filthy street air. They aren't meant to be used outside of a clean-room environment.
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There's a reason for that: A N95 mask will start clogging the moment you walk out into the filthy street air. They aren't meant to be used outside of a clean-room environment.
The moisture from breathing also plugs them up and makes them stop working effectively. It discharges the electrostatically charged material used to attract the particulates. An N95 can only be worn once for a limited amount of time before it loses its ability to filter out the very small particles in the air.
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The moisture from breathing also plugs them up and makes them stop working effectively. It discharges the electrostatically charged material used to attract the particulates. An N95 can only be worn once for a limited amount of time before it loses its ability to filter out the very small particles in the air.
I assume "N95" means it filters things that are 95 nanometers and larger. A virus is much smaller than that, and the water droplet the virus piggybacks on evaporates in seconds, leaving the 2-3 na virus the freedom to pass through the chain-link fence.
(For those not familiar, a human hair is about 75 micrometers, or 75,000 nanometers.)
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The moisture from breathing also plugs them up and makes them stop working effectively. It discharges the electrostatically charged material used to attract the particulates. An N95 can only be worn once for a limited amount of time before it loses its ability to filter out the very small particles in the air.
More than that, there is an actual pumping action. When you inhale, a wet mask sucks up, forcing to draw through it... but on the exhale, the mask pushes away, allowing the exhaust to largely escape around the edges of the mask. So as far as the mask is concerned, there is greater draw than push, encouraging migration through the wet, body-temperature medium of the mask.
When painting once the mask gets wet, you can literally taste the paint coming through the mask.
As for the n95 (and like) respirators, they were designed to be a cheap, disposable respirator, as an upscale joe-homeowner or now-and-then solution instead of buying a real respirator with filter cartridges designed for industrial use, and with interchangeable filter sets to operate in varying environments, and meant to be cleanable, renewable, repairable, and used all day long, indefinitely.
Everybody acts like they're all that, but they were meant to be a disposable piece of junk that will work for a minute.
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Salesman walked into the shop today wearing a cheapo mask. He said here he was wearing a mask yet neither I or the boss were. And he said we should be because of the dust.
I said if the dust starts to bother me I go outside to smoke a cigarette and hack out part of a lung.
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Salesman walked into the shop today wearing a cheapo mask. He said here he was wearing a mask yet neither I or the boss were. And he said we should be because of the dust.
I said if the dust starts to bother me I go outside to smoke a cigarette and hack out part of a lung.
He don't know what he's missin... digging dried lacquer out of your nose is half the fun (getting lit from the lac being the other half :whistle:) :laugh: :beer:
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I assume "N95" means it filters things that are 95 nanometers and larger. A virus is much smaller than that, and the water droplet the virus piggybacks on evaporates in seconds, leaving the 2-3 na virus the freedom to pass through the chain-link fence.
(For those not familiar, a human hair is about 75 micrometers, or 75,000 nanometers.)
And BTW:
No, N means non-oil... P means oil proof, R means oil resistant. The standard for the number is based upon .3 micron particle size... an 80 removes 80%. a 90 removes 90%, a 100 removes 100%
That's not perfect, because a P80 (oil proof, 80% of .3 micron) mated to an organic vapor charcoal can filter, or any number of other gas filters (ammonia, methyline,etc) is still WAY higher than any particulate filter alone... And your standard paint respirator rig is gong to be p90+ particulate plus a charcoal can. BTW, particulate filters range mainly from 80 to 100. though a 99 or 100 filter sucks to drag through. most folks use a 90 or 95 in general, and an 80 w/o the charcoal can for sanding and such.
FYI
EDIT TO ADD: It's been a while but I think that's right.
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And BTW:
No, N means non-oil... P means oil proof, R means oil resistant. The standard for the number is based upon .3 micron particle size... an 80 removes 80%. a 90 removes 90%, a 100 removes 100%
That's not perfect, because a P80 (oil proof, 80% of .3 micron) mated to an organic vapor charcoal can filter, or any number of other gas filters (ammonia, methyline,etc) is still WAY higher than any particulate filter alone... And your standard paint respirator rig is gong to be p90+ particulate plus a charcoal can. BTW, particulate filters range mainly from 80 to 100. though a 99 or 100 filter sucks to drag through. most folks use a 90 or 95 in general, and an 80 w/o the charcoal can for sanding and such.
FYI
EDIT TO ADD: It's been a while but I think that's right.
Okay! Thanks for the clarification. So the benchmark particulate size is 300 nm.
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Okay! Thanks for the clarification. So the benchmark particulate size is 300 nm.
If that is 0.3 micron then yes.
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Hmmmm...
“The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice, it is conformity.†– Earl Nightingale
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If that is 0.3 micron then yes.
Yes! :beer: :beer: :beer:
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Okay! Thanks for the clarification. So the benchmark particulate size is 300 nm.
The corona virus nominally 120 nm in size...
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The corona virus nominally 120 nm in size...
Yup! (I checked.) I thought it was a lot smaller....
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Okay! Thanks for the clarification. So the benchmark particulate size is 300 nm.
AND all that has nothing to do with the N95 LOGO, which magically transforms the mask into a medical device... Except that it meets a non-oil 95% of 0.3 micron standard... Which is no dang different than a P95 or R95 in it's function except their ability to function with oil particulates too.
And it is NOT as good as a N99 or N100, readily available through industry outlets.
Much ado about nothing at all. N95 masks are OK, even good for a temporary, limited amount of time, but they do not stand in the shade of the real thing.
EDITED to correct typo.
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@DB
Don't say anything bad about Amazon - that is the way I get what I need; I amble down their streets and go into many of their stores - that is my escape from the sameness of this house. :beer:
@Victoria33
Reading and streaming TV channels are a big help,too.
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Trump signed a specific executive order early on ALLOWING 3m to distribute their industrial counterpart as a medical mask, because other than the n95 logo it's the same damn mask. That immediately released several million more masks into medical use, a move that gained my applause.
Look it up.
The N95 mark only denotes a standard - one that many masks meet or exceed. ALL masks are measured by particulate filtering. That's all they do. And an N95 respirator is in no way superior to a common paint respirator with the proper filters. In fact, a common paint respirator can vastly exceed an N95 standard with specialized filters designed to keep out volatile vapors.
@roamer_1 @Victoria33
Children! CHILDREN!
LISTEN UP!
Chances are both of you are right. I would be surprised if there were only ONE "level" of medical quality mask.
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Okay! Thanks for the clarification. So the benchmark particulate size is 300 nm.
A chainlink fence for keeping out mosquitos.
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@roamer_1 @Victoria33
Children! CHILDREN!
LISTEN UP!
Chances are both of you are right. I would be surprised if there were only ONE "level" of medical quality mask.
As has been posted here multiple times already, medical grade N95 masks are designed for use in clean room environments only. They are useless after ten minutes anywhere else.
But please do carry on.
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AND all that has nothing to do with the N95 LOGO, which magically transforms the mask into a medical device... Except that it meets a non-oil 95% of .03 micron standard... Which is no dang different than a P95 or R95 in it's function except their ability to function with oil particulates too.
And it is NOT as good as a N99 or N100, readily available through industry outlets.
Much ado about nothing at all. N95 masks are OK, even good for a temporary, limited amount of time, but they do not stand in the shade of the real thing.
That's right. And the cloth ones the leftists fawn all over...more useful as a magical Talisman than a disinfectant.
Sometimes I wear a Trump 2020 cloth mask, just to watch 'em squirm. It's like tying a slice of jellied toast to the back of a cat...they don't know which way to hit the floor and they just turn back and forth in perpetual motion. :shrug:
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I went to see Doctor, after my hospital stay. 5 people berated me...trying to get me to wear a mask. I said, I can't. I need oxygen.
5 medical people and administrator. I stayed firm. Then they "punished me" by NOT taking my vitals. lol. I hate that part anyway. I had that done every few hours, round the clock, in hospital. I did, get to see the doctor and some medications renewed. Blood thinner.
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@roamer_1 @Victoria33
Children! CHILDREN!
LISTEN UP!
Chances are both of you are right. I would be surprised if there were only ONE "level" of medical quality mask.
No @sneakypete I ain't wrong at all. There is one standard. and it is an industrial standard. the medical 'standard' just piggybacks on what is already there and established... There is an extra mile in that your mask has to conform to their testing protocol - which IS the industry protocol, you just have to prove it, and give somebody a whole lotta vig for the right to use the N95 logo on your product, opening it up to medical sales at 3 or 4x regular price. And that's all... A whole lotta simolians to get into a protected market. TADA!
Otherwise, an industrial rated mask is the same as a medical mask, or even better. The particulate layer on a painting respirator is considered as nothing more than a pre-filter.
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That's right. And the cloth ones the leftists fawn all over...more useful as a magical Talisman than a disinfectant.
Sometimes I wear a Trump 2020 cloth mask, just to watch 'em squirm. It's like tying a slice of jellied toast to the back of a cat...they don't know which way to hit the floor and they just turn back and forth in perpetual motion. :shrug:
Yeah, I have one now... Took a sharpie and wrote 'A$$holes make me wear this' on it... And another one that 'Bullock makes me wear this' (governor)... But I never wear the damn things anyhow... If anyone gives me sh*t I just say I have asthma and they move along.
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AND all that has nothing to do with the N95 LOGO, which magically transforms the mask into a medical device... Except that it meets a non-oil 95% of .03 micron standard... Which is no dang different than a P95 or R95 in it's function except their ability to function with oil particulates too.
And it is NOT as good as a N99 or N100, readily available through industry outlets.
Much ado about nothing at all. N95 masks are OK, even good for a temporary, limited amount of time, but they do not stand in the shade of the real thing.
0.03 micron is 30 nm. I think you meant 0.3 micron which is 300 nm which is what I believe an N95 mask is rated for.
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0.03 micron is 30 nm. I think you meant 0.3 micron which is 300 nm which is what I believe an N95 mask is rated for.
Right. Typo as evidenced by my other posts... Sorry. It is .3 or 0.3
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@DB @Cyber Liberty
Here's a page to back up what I said...
https://www.envirosafetyproducts.com/resources/dust-masks-whats-the-difference.html (https://www.envirosafetyproducts.com/resources/dust-masks-whats-the-difference.html)
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@Smokin Joe @roamer_1
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/renowned-european-scientist-covid-19-was-engineered-in-china-lab-effective-vaccine-unlikely (https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/renowned-european-scientist-covid-19-was-engineered-in-china-lab-effective-vaccine-unlikely)
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He don't know what he's missin... digging dried lacquer out of your nose is half the fun (getting lit from the lac being the other half :whistle:) :laugh: :beer:
I was on a fire call, many, many moons ago. The man's garage had caught fire, and after knocking down the fire, a crew of us were clearing out the loft, checking for hot spots. The owner had painted cars for years, and had an incredible supply of lacquer cans up there, along with a few cans of roofing cement (tar, basically), most of which had popped open in the heat, but thankfully had not burned.
We're in there, breathing lacquer fumes, passing buckets down the ladder, in full gear without Scott packs...
The Chief asked me how I was doing after I passed down a bucket of roofing tar with the fingers of my glove in the tar...
I said "Fine!"
He said "Everybody OUT!" and we went.
The next crew went inside in full gear and air packs while we sat on the lawn laughing and having a great time (under supervision of EMS), higher than kites...
I will say one thing. No shine, no bottled and bond, no mix of liquors, beer, and wine EVER produced a hangover like the one I had for the next three days....
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I went to see Doctor, after my hospital stay. 5 people berated me...trying to get me to wear a mask. I said, I can't. I need oxygen.
5 medical people and administrator. I stayed firm. Then they "punished me" by NOT taking my vitals. lol. I hate that part anyway. I had that done every few hours, round the clock, in hospital. I did, get to see the doctor and some medications renewed. Blood thinner.
@LegalAmerican
You should have been able to have gotten that done with a phone call.
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@Smokin Joe @roamer_1
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/renowned-european-scientist-covid-19-was-engineered-in-china-lab-effective-vaccine-unlikely (https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/renowned-european-scientist-covid-19-was-engineered-in-china-lab-effective-vaccine-unlikely)
I have pretty much been saying the first part since early on in this. I think the only way to gain immunity to the present strain is to have antibodies, your own developed in fighting the disease off, or someone else's from blood plasma. The current vaccines, however are not pursuing this traditional approach, but something different.
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@DB @Cyber Liberty
Here's a page to back up what I said...
https://www.envirosafetyproducts.com/resources/dust-masks-whats-the-difference.html (https://www.envirosafetyproducts.com/resources/dust-masks-whats-the-difference.html)
N95 Respirators, Surgical Masks, and Face Masks
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-infection-control/n95-respirators-surgical-masks-and-face-masks#s1 (https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-infection-control/n95-respirators-surgical-masks-and-face-masks#s1)
Right from the horses' ....
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@LegalAmerican
You should have been able to have gotten that done with a phone call.
I tried. They HAD to see me in person. People are mostly sheep. Not about your health!
It's Not About Your Health.mp4
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I was on a fire call, many, many moons ago. The man's garage had caught fire, and after knocking down the fire, a crew of us were clearing out the loft, checking for hot spots. The owner had painted cars for years, and had an incredible supply of lacquer cans up there, along with a few cans of roofing cement (tar, basically), most of which had popped open in the heat, but thankfully had not burned.
We're in there, breathing lacquer fumes, passing buckets down the ladder, in full gear without Scott packs...
The Chief asked me how I was doing after I passed down a bucket of roofing tar with the fingers of my glove in the tar...
I said "Fine!"
He said "Everybody OUT!" and we went.
The next crew went inside in full gear and air packs while we sat on the lawn laughing and having a great time (under supervision of EMS), higher than kites...
I will say one thing. No shine, no bottled and bond, no mix of liquors, beer, and wine EVER produced a hangover like the one I had for the next three days....
Now I understand you user name! That is such a dangerous job. I admire people who can do that. :thumbsup:
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Now I understand you user name! That is such a dangerous job. I admire people who can do that. :thumbsup:
That is where I got the nickname, but I only did that for four years way back before I went to college. We were volunteers, and very well trained through the University of MD Fire Extension Service, and that takes a lot of the danger out. That program has grown into a professional firefighter curriculum that can get someone interested a job just about anywhere. We also trained as EMTs, so we did Fire and Rescue. It was an experience I would not trade for anything.
After I left Grad school, I went to work in the oil patch far away, there were a couple of times I tried to join local departments, but the job got in the way and I had to work. Now, I'm a little gray around the muzzle to haul hose up stairs, but there is that sense of brotherhood among firefighters that persists, much like veterans (and there is no small amount of overlap in those groups).
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That is where I got the nickname, but I only did that for four years way back before I went to college. We were volunteers, and very well trained through the University of MD Fire Extension Service, and that takes a lot of the danger out. That program has grown into a professional firefighter curriculum that can get someone interested a job just about anywhere. We also trained as EMTs, so we did Fire and Rescue. It was an experience I would not trade for anything.
After I left Grad school, I went to work in the oil patch far away, there were a couple of times I tried to join local departments, but the job got in the way and I had to work. Now, I'm a little gray around the muzzle to haul hose up stairs, but there is that sense of brotherhood among firefighters that persists, much like veterans (and there is no small amount of overlap in those groups).
Very nice. You are a quality person. 888high58888
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Very nice. You are a quality person. 888high58888
I had an excellent example.
If, by the end of my life, I can be considered even half the man my Father is, I will have done well.
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I was on a fire call, many, many moons ago. The man's garage had caught fire, and after knocking down the fire, a crew of us were clearing out the loft, checking for hot spots. The owner had painted cars for years, and had an incredible supply of lacquer cans up there, along with a few cans of roofing cement (tar, basically), most of which had popped open in the heat, but thankfully had not burned.
We're in there, breathing lacquer fumes, passing buckets down the ladder, in full gear without Scott packs...
The Chief asked me how I was doing after I passed down a bucket of roofing tar with the fingers of my glove in the tar...
I said "Fine!"
He said "Everybody OUT!" and we went.
The next crew went inside in full gear and air packs while we sat on the lawn laughing and having a great time (under supervision of EMS), higher than kites...
I will say one thing. No shine, no bottled and bond, no mix of liquors, beer, and wine EVER produced a hangover like the one I had for the next three days....
LOL! ah, firemen... you poor lightweights... should have called some painters to give a hand... They'd have worked 8 hrs in it bare-faced. :silly:
Seriously, from a certain angle, that was the best job I ever had... Wake up every morning to go to work and legally get stoned out of your mind. And get paid like crazy to do it... Huffers are pikers! we fill the WHOLE ROOM! :silly:
Lacquer is one of the best highs. followed closely by old school oil varnish... If you're getting into hardeners, that's where the hangover came from... Next time you are messin with alkyd or lac based vapors, everybody get a big load of really bad, greasy bar food - A nasty cheeseburger works alright... But fill your belly with greasy bar food beforehand, and you won't get the queasy belly, or the hangover. you have to be full, and it has to be bad. I think it has to do with bad oil or something...
SO just have the firetruck stop off at a five-guys on the way... pack yourselves with really bad food, and go enjoy a great contact high :silly: :beer:
Greatest job ever!
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LOL! ah, firemen... you poor lightweights... should have called some painters to give a hand... They'd have worked 8 hrs in it bare-faced. :silly:
Seriously, from a certain angle, that was the best job I ever had... Wake up every morning to go to work and legally get stoned out of your mind. And get paid like crazy to do it... Huffers are pikers! we fill the WHOLE ROOM! :silly:
Lacquer is one of the best highs. followed closely by old school oil varnish... If you're getting into hardeners, that's where the hangover came from... Next time you are messin with alkyd or lac based vapors, everybody get a big load of really bad, greasy bar food - A nasty cheeseburger works alright... But fill your belly with greasy bar food beforehand, and you won't get the queasy belly, or the hangover. you have to be full, and it has to be bad. I think it has to do with bad oil or something...
SO just have the firetruck stop off at a five-guys on the way... pack yourselves with really bad food, and go enjoy a great contact high :silly: :beer:
Greatest job ever!
:beer:
It was fun while it lasted...but if you're gonna play, you're gonna pay. :shrug:
At the time, we were all young enough to be bulletproof still.
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@Smokin Joe @roamer_1
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/renowned-european-scientist-covid-19-was-engineered-in-china-lab-effective-vaccine-unlikely (https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/renowned-european-scientist-covid-19-was-engineered-in-china-lab-effective-vaccine-unlikely)
@DB
I would not be a bit surprised that the Woohan flu was manufactured. That is far more likely by the odds than any sort of natural means... But from there it gets foggy - Intent? Ineptitude? It FEELS organized. it SEEMS to be a world-wide play, or a dress rehearsal for something MUCH worse. But I can't nail any of that down. :shrug:
As to effective vaccine, I have said all along, they really might want to try vaccinating against the common cold - Because that is what they are literally claiming needs to be done. Polio can be vaccinated because it doesn't change much... Influenza has what, five major strains? Well, there has been at least five strains of Woohan already, and probably way more than that. Something fast-morphing like that is going to be entirely different in 3 months. That's why your own body cannot immunize you against colds. Why would government be able to do different?
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@DB
I would not be a bit surprised that the Woohan flu was manufactured. That is far more likely by the odds than any sort of natural means... But from there it gets foggy - Intent? Ineptitude? It FEELS organized. it SEEMS to be a world-wide play, or a dress rehearsal for something MUCH worse. But I can't nail any of that down. :shrug:
As to effective vaccine, I have said all along, they really might want to try vaccinating against the common cold - Because that is what they are literally claiming needs to be done. Polio can be vaccinated because it doesn't change much... Influenza has what, five major strains? Well, there has been at least five strains of Woohan already, and probably way more than that. Something fast-morphing like that is going to be entirely different in 3 months. That's why your own body cannot immunize you against colds. Why would government be able to do different?
My gut feeling is the mandatory microchip vaccine.
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My gut feeling is the mandatory microchip vaccine.
Something like that... some sort of international advantage.
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@DB
I would not be a bit surprised that the Woohan flu was manufactured. That is far more likely by the odds than any sort of natural means... But from there it gets foggy - Intent? Ineptitude? It FEELS organized. it SEEMS to be a world-wide play, or a dress rehearsal for something MUCH worse. But I can't nail any of that down. :shrug:
As to effective vaccine, I have said all along, they really might want to try vaccinating against the common cold - Because that is what they are literally claiming needs to be done. Polio can be vaccinated because it doesn't change much... Influenza has what, five major strains? Well, there has been at least five strains of Woohan already, and probably way more than that. Something fast-morphing like that is going to be entirely different in 3 months. That's why your own body cannot immunize you against colds. Why would government be able to do different?
There are four main types of influenza virus, A,B,C,D, of which the type A and B cause seasonal flu outbreaks. Type A viruses cause pandemics. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/types.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/types.htm)
Type A subtypes are based on two proteins, hemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N).
There are 18 hemagglutinin (16 according to some sources) and 11 neuraminidase subtypes respectively, which makes for up to a possible 198 combinations, of which 131 have been detected in nature, based on the H and N proteins.
Not all of these subtypes cause infection in humans, and currently H1N1 and H2N3 are the more common.
http://www.clinlabnavigator.com/influenza-virus-subtypes.html (http://www.clinlabnavigator.com/influenza-virus-subtypes.html)
But with the range of possibilities, picking an H and N type for the current flu shots is an educated crap shoot. That's why some years folks say their flu shot worked, and others not so well. It gets more complicated with the subclades (variations based on other proteins in the virus) that occur in each group.
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I think there should be some serious repercussions for China for inflicting this on the world. This wasn't a "natural" disaster. Their carelessness - at a minimum - caused it. And I have to believe our government knows what the truth is in this matter.
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There are four main types of influenza virus, A,B,C,D, of which the type A and B cause seasonal flu outbreaks. Type A viruses cause pandemics. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/types.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/types.htm)
Type A subtypes are based on two proteins, hemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N).
There are 18 hemagglutinin (16 according to some sources) and 11 neuraminidase subtypes respectively, which makes for up to a possible 198 combinations, of which 131 have been detected in nature, based on the H and N proteins.
Not all of these subtypes cause infection in humans, and currently H1N1 and H2N3 are the more common.
http://www.clinlabnavigator.com/influenza-virus-subtypes.html (http://www.clinlabnavigator.com/influenza-virus-subtypes.html)
But with the range of possibilities, picking an H and N type for the current flu shots is an educated crap shoot. That's why some years folks say their flu shot worked, and others not so well. It gets more complicated with the subclades (variations based on other proteins in the virus) that occur in each group.
... Which is why influenza vaccines are so ineffective.. They basically roll the bones and bet on which variant will dominate, and vaccinate for that one... That being in a relatively fixed field at that.
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I think there should be some serious repercussions for China for inflicting this on the world. This wasn't a "natural" disaster. Their carelessness - at a minimum - caused it. And I have to believe our government knows what the truth is in this matter.
Their coverup and lies, along with their refusal to shut down traffic in and out of Hubei Province made this pandemic something other than a regional problem.
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@DB
I would not be a bit surprised that the Woohan flu was manufactured.
It is an established FACT that the virus was created in a test lab in China. Sound pretty manufactured to me.
That is far more likely by the odds than any sort of natural means... But from there it gets foggy - Intent? Ineptitude? It FEELS organized. it SEEMS to be a world-wide play, or a dress rehearsal for something MUCH worse. But I can't nail any of that down. :shrug:
I think it was done for at least two reasons,maybe several more minor ones we don't even suspect.
1: The Chinese leadership are evil bastards,and still have their little fascist hearts set on dominating Asia,and maybe the world. IMHO,they created it hoping to be able to create a vaccination to use on their invasion troops. There can be NO question that at a MINIMUM their dream is to dominate all of Asia.
Rulers of the World is their maximum dream.
2a: They released it "accidentally" in order to weaken the worlds economy as well as their military. They seem to be the only ones flush with cash these days,and if the 1st world goes bankrupt,they are sitting pretty to step in and buy up factories,or even whole industries.
2b: Trump scares the snot out of them because he can't be bribed or bought,and they wanted/NEEDED to bring him down so a loser like Biden would be the President. When you consider that Pelosi's husband owns the law firm that represents China in the US,the blocks just all seem to fit together.
BTW,I truly don't know which of the above is number 1 and which is number 2. They BOTH might even be number 1 as part of a comprehensive plan.
As to effective vaccine, I have said all along, they really might want to try vaccinating against the common cold - Because that is what they are literally claiming needs to be done. Polio can be vaccinated because it doesn't change much... Influenza has what, five major strains? Well, there has been at least five strains of Woohan already, and probably way more than that. Something fast-morphing like that is going to be entirely different in 3 months. That's why your own body cannot immunize you against colds. Why would government be able to do different?
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It is an established FACT that the virus was created in a test lab in China. Sound pretty manufactured to me.
I think it was done for at least two reasons,maybe several more minor ones we don't even suspect.
1: The Chinese leadership are evil bastards,and still have their little fascist hearts set on dominating Asia,and maybe the world. IMHO,they created it hoping to be able to create a vaccination to use on their invasion troops. There can be NO question that at a MINIMUM their dream is to dominate all of Asia.
Rulers of the World is their maximum dream.
2a: They released it "accidentally" in order to weaken the worlds economy as well as their military. They seem to be the only ones flush with cash these days,and if the 1st world goes bankrupt,they are sitting pretty to step in and buy up factories,or even whole industries.
2b: Trump scares the snot out of them because he can't be bribed or bought,and they wanted/NEEDED to bring him down so a loser like Biden would be the President. When you consider that Pelosi's husband owns the law firm that represents China in the US,the blocks just all seem to fit together.
BTW,I truly don't know which of the above is number 1 and which is number 2. They BOTH might even be number 1 as part of a comprehensive plan.
@sneakypete
I don't think it's the Chinese. They may be complicit in their way, but the lab itself was internationally funded, and if it were indeed the Chinese, there would be little gain in loosing it on themselves.
I am more concerned toward the reaction to the virus than the virus itself. The virus is somewhat incidental. But all over the world, nations followed the same draconian steps, with very few outliers... That reactionary continuity is well beyond the Chinese ability to control - So to put it simply, someone or something else controlled that.
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@sneakypete
I don't think it's the Chinese. They may be complicit in their way, but the lab itself was internationally funded, and if it were indeed the Chinese, there would be little gain in loosing it on themselves.
I am more concerned toward the reaction to the virus than the virus itself. The virus is somewhat incidental. But all over the world, nations followed the same draconian steps, with very few outliers... That reactionary continuity is well beyond the Chinese ability to control - So to put it simply, someone or something else controlled that.
The way I see it, it got out one of three ways.
The ugliest option, of course, is an intentional release into a population that travels, for the purpose of spreading it all over the planet.
Another option is that the release was accidental, a violation of BSL-4 protocils which allowed the virus to escape the lab and spread.
A third option, is that someone was selling lab animals to the market after the lab was done with them (instead of cremating them), for a little extra money on the side, and that got the virus out.
Whatever the case, where the real damage was done was after the Chinese realized they had a problem.
Instead of shutting down, quarantining the province, and trying to contain the outbreak, the reaction was o destroy samples, destroy records, blame the "wet market" (basically an open air fish market/butcher shop/grocery store) and act like it wasn't a serious problem--until that could no longer be concealed. By that time, the virus was around the world.
That is the part that lends credence to thoughts of intentional transmission/release.
As for reaction being the same all over, well, everyone (country wise) has a pandemic plan gamed out in advance, no matter how thin or poor it is. Most of those plans will be like any disaster response, shaped by the ideas of understanding what is going on, containing the problem, trying to figure out how to treat those affected, and keep it from getting worse. No matter where you are, the go-to steps will be pretty much the same.
Like a house fire, you assess it, find out if anyone is inside and launch rescue efforts, even as you are cutting power to the building/affected part, and taking steps to control the fire. The steps are pretty much the same, no matter where you are.
But in those initial moments of panic/energetic evaluation, the doctors turned to a common source for information, one which was supposed to be a global clearinghouse for information, steps to take, treatments/remedies, and as such had a ready centralized source for erroneous information (WHO), and they all got the same stuff to guide their responses.
This remains the problem with monolithic response patterns, especially when they are run by agencies staffed with people who let their incompetence and prejudices (externally motivated or not) interfere with the ability of thousands of doctors, virologists, and biochemists to adapt existing pharma and technique to fight a disease, only for those doctors and their remedies to be ignored or even decried by the global agency.
It remains one of my fundamental objections to the concentration of any kind of power, in that solutions to problems can be discovered far more quickly if the results of the efforts of thousands of teams can be weighed, without prejudice and the appropriate steps adopted and rechecked by others without the restrictions imposed by people who have a pecuniary interest in specific other measures. All that need be is a forum for the exchange of information, and that cannot work if some are limiting the access of others because they believe differently or seek another avenue of approach which is more personally profitable.
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The way I see it, it got out one of three ways.
The ugliest option, of course, is an intentional release into a population that travels, for the purpose of spreading it all over the planet.
Another option is that the release was accidental, a violation of BSL-4 protocils which allowed the virus to escape the lab and spread.
A third option, is that someone was selling lab animals to the market after the lab was done with them (instead of cremating them), for a little extra money on the side, and that got the virus out.
Whatever the case, where the real damage was done was after the Chinese realized they had a problem.
Instead of shutting down, quarantining the province, and trying to contain the outbreak, the reaction was o destroy samples, destroy records, blame the "wet market" (basically an open air fish market/butcher shop/grocery store) and act like it wasn't a serious problem--until that could no longer be concealed. By that time, the virus was around the world.
That is the part that lends credence to thoughts of intentional transmission/release.
As for reaction being the same all over, well, everyone (country wise) has a pandemic plan gamed out in advance, no matter how thin or poor it is. Most of those plans will be like any disaster response, shaped by the ideas of understanding what is going on, containing the problem, trying to figure out how to treat those affected, and keep it from getting worse. No matter where you are, the go-to steps will be pretty much the same.
Like a house fire, you assess it, find out if anyone is inside and launch rescue efforts, even as you are cutting power to the building/affected part, and taking steps to control the fire. The steps are pretty much the same, no matter where you are.
But in those initial moments of panic/energetic evaluation, the doctors turned to a common source for information, one which was supposed to be a global clearinghouse for information, steps to take, treatments/remedies, and as such had a ready centralized source for erroneous information (WHO), and they all got the same stuff to guide their responses.
This remains the problem with monolithic response patterns, especially when they are run by agencies staffed with people who let their incompetence and prejudices (externally motivated or not) interfere with the ability of thousands of doctors, virologists, and biochemists to adapt existing pharma and technique to fight a disease, only for those doctors and their remedies to be ignored or even decried by the global agency.
It remains one of my fundamental objections to the concentration of any kind of power, in that solutions to problems can be discovered far more quickly if the results of the efforts of thousands of teams can be weighed, without prejudice and the appropriate steps adopted and rechecked by others without the restrictions imposed by people who have a pecuniary interest in specific other measures. All that need be is a forum for the exchange of information, and that cannot work if some are limiting the access of others because they believe differently or seek another avenue of approach which is more personally profitable.
I'll add that the Chinese were actively working with this virus before it got out. They knew a whole lot more about its characteristics than they provided. That withholding of information delayed everything. It had to be studied as people were being infected to gain necessary information about it that was already known to the Chinese.
China has a lot to answer for.
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The way I see it, it got out one of three ways.
The ugliest option, of course, is an intentional release into a population that travels, for the purpose of spreading it all over the planet.
Another option is that the release was accidental, a violation of BSL-4 protocils which allowed the virus to escape the lab and spread.
A third option, is that someone was selling lab animals to the market after the lab was done with them (instead of cremating them), for a little extra money on the side, and that got the virus out.
Whatever the case, where the real damage was done was after the Chinese realized they had a problem.
Instead of shutting down, quarantining the province, and trying to contain the outbreak, the reaction was o destroy samples, destroy records, blame the "wet market" (basically an open air fish market/butcher shop/grocery store) and act like it wasn't a serious problem--until that could no longer be concealed. By that time, the virus was around the world.
That is the part that lends credence to thoughts of intentional transmission/release.
All of that is good thinking, and I can add no more, except against the proposed conclusion...
It may be a matter of saving face, and an inept communistic supposition that the state could effectively control situation... Until they found they could not. There need be nothing nefarious about it, except in the trying to cover it up...
And just as likely on the nefarious side, a distribution engineered by the same international forces that funded the lab in the first place - pointing the finger at China as the bagholder... And China IS the bagholder right now... Everybody hates them, and their markets are trashed... I fail to see the advantage for China in any of this.
So I really am unwilling to speculate without more evidence. But if the responsibility is on China, it is for ineptitude more than intent. This has not been good for them in any way.
As for reaction being the same all over, well, everyone (country wise) has a pandemic plan gamed out in advance, no matter how thin or poor it is. Most of those plans will be like any disaster response, shaped by the ideas of understanding what is going on, containing the problem, trying to figure out how to treat those affected, and keep it from getting worse. No matter where you are, the go-to steps will be pretty much the same.
Like a house fire, you assess it, find out if anyone is inside and launch rescue efforts, even as you are cutting power to the building/affected part, and taking steps to control the fire. The steps are pretty much the same, no matter where you are.
But in those initial moments of panic/energetic evaluation, the doctors turned to a common source for information, one which was supposed to be a global clearinghouse for information, steps to take, treatments/remedies, and as such had a ready centralized source for erroneous information (WHO), and they all got the same stuff to guide their responses.
This remains the problem with monolithic response patterns, especially when they are run by agencies staffed with people who let their incompetence and prejudices (externally motivated or not) interfere with the ability of thousands of doctors, virologists, and biochemists to adapt existing pharma and technique to fight a disease, only for those doctors and their remedies to be ignored or even decried by the global agency.
It remains one of my fundamental objections to the concentration of any kind of power, in that solutions to problems can be discovered far more quickly if the results of the efforts of thousands of teams can be weighed, without prejudice and the appropriate steps adopted and rechecked by others without the restrictions imposed by people who have a pecuniary interest in specific other measures. All that need be is a forum for the exchange of information, and that cannot work if some are limiting the access of others because they believe differently or seek another avenue of approach which is more personally profitable.
That's all right, except in that the information has been a farce. Any national interest, any sovereignty, ought to dang well know it's a farce, and in some independent instances, that actually happened. But by and large, nations bent to the world view purposefully... Which lends itself to collusion as evidenced by those that did not follow the piper. And those following the piper greatly increased national power against their citizens, and liberty has suffered greatly. A amazingly homogeneous result, that I do not believe is by coincidence.
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I'll add that the Chinese were actively working with this virus before it got out. They knew a whole lot more about its characteristics than they provided. That withholding of information delayed everything. It had to be studied as people were being infected to gain necessary information about it that was already known to the Chinese.
China has a lot to answer for.
Considering this is a dead ringer for the chimera virus that was written up in the paper in Nature in 2015, I would bet anyone in the know in NIAID (which contributed to the Wuhan research after the North Carolina research was defunded by the Obama administration) had a fair idea what to look at and what to look for. Considering Fauci was head of NIAID, well, another dot gets connected. This is a global play, not just a national one. Whether the timing was intentional or just 'fortuitous', I don't claim to know.
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Considering this is a dad ringer for the chimera virus that was written up in the paper in Nature in 2015, I would bet anyone in the know in NIAID (which contributed to the Wuhan research after the North Carolina research was defunded by the Obama administration) had a fair idea what to look at and what to look for. Considering Fauci was head of NIAID, well, another dot gets connected. This is a global play, not just a national one. Whether the timing was intentional or just 'fortuitous', I don't claim to know.
That's about right.
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Considering this is a dad ringer for the chimera virus that was written up in the paper in Nature in 2015, I would bet anyone in the know in NIAID (which contributed to the Wuhan research after the North Carolina research was defunded by the Obama administration) had a fair idea what to look at and what to look for. Considering Fauci was head of NIAID, well, another dot gets connected. This is a global play, not just a national one. Whether the timing was intentional or just 'fortuitous', I don't claim to know.
That sounds likely.
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@sneakypete
I don't think it's the Chinese. They may be complicit in their way, but the lab itself was internationally funded, and if it were indeed the Chinese, there would be little gain in loosing it on themselves.
@roamer_1
Other than no longer having to house,feed,clothe,and education maybe millions of their own serfs?
People tend to forget that the flipside of being a Maxium Leaders is you then have to provide for your slaves.
I am more concerned toward the reaction to the virus than the virus itself.
IF I am correct,they are getting the EXACT response they wanted to get. There damn sure doesn't seem to be any effort to hold them responsible legally or financially.
Not that anyone is in a position to hold them responsible.
The virus is somewhat incidental. But all over the world, nations followed the same draconian steps, with very few outliers... That reactionary continuity is well beyond the Chinese ability to control - So to put it simply, someone or something else controlled that.
Of course. Other fascists that dream of a World Wide Government with all the citizens under complete control.
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The way I see it, it got out one of three ways.
The ugliest option, of course, is an intentional release into a population that travels, for the purpose of spreading it all over the planet.
Another option is that the release was accidental, a violation of BSL-4 protocils which allowed the virus to escape the lab and spread.
A third option, is that someone was selling lab animals to the market after the lab was done with them (instead of cremating them), for a little extra money on the side, and that got the virus out.
I agree. It might even be a combination of all three.