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General Category => World News => Topic started by: rangerrebew on June 23, 2014, 01:57:03 pm
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FGM in Sweden: 28 Immigrant Girls in One Class Severely Cut
The girls were most likely second-generation immigrants cut during summer trips to their home countries during school vacation.
Sun, June 22, 2014
A Swedish school has found that immigrant girls have been subjected to severe forms of female genital mutilation (FGM). Since March, school health services in a small Swedish town have seen 60 girls who have been cut, including 30 girls from one class alone.
Of those 30 girls, 28 had been subjected to one of the most severe forms of FGM
, where the clitoris and labia are completely removed with the area sown together with the exception of a small opening.
Somalians and Eritreans comprise large numbers of immigrants to Europe. Women in those countries are subjected to FGM at a rate of 98 and 90 percent, respectively.
Although specific information was not available about the Swedish girls, it is assumed that the girls are second generation immigrants, many having been cut during the summer vacation when girls are taken to their countries of origin for the procedure under the pretense of a family visit.
With vacation approaching, authorities are concerned that more girls will be taken to be mutilated. "We're working to inform parents that they could face prison if they come back and their children have undergone female genital mutilation," said Petra Blom Andersson, a student health coordinator in Norrköping who spoke to the newspaper, The Local.
FGM has been illegal in Sweden since 1982, punishable by a prison term of four years. The term can be increased to 10 years if the violation is found to be an aggravated offense.
In 1999, FGM also became illegal if the procedure was performed in a different country. Due to the influx of the large number of Somalians in Sweden during the 1990’s, the European Union’s Institute for Gender Equality (EIGE) considers FGM “to be a serious problem” in the country -- so much so, that a law was passed that allows a girl to be physically examined for FGM without her parents’ consent.
Yet, according to the European Commission, “while all EU member states have legal provisions in place to prosecute the perpetrators of FGM, either under general or specific criminal laws, prosecutions are very rare. This is due to difficulties detecting cases, gathering sufficient evidence, a reluctance to report a crime and, above all, a lack of knowledge about female genital mutilation.”
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Once again, raising the question, HOW does the so-called 'feminist' left (in Sweden, and here in America) support Islam??
The other question that comes to mind, is, do the Swedes now regret the open arms they have shown Muslims now that they have done so much damage to their country..........not to mention helpless young women who are their fathers' property?
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musiclady asks:
[[ The other question that comes to mind, is, do the Swedes now regret the open arms they have shown Muslims now that they have done so much damage to their country..........not to mention helpless young women who are their fathers' property? ]]
The answer is no.
The Swedes are amongst the dumbest white folks that exist on the planet.
They will STILL support the increasing immigration of muslims, right up until the time the muslims begin cutting their throats, as well as girls' genitals...
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musiclady asks:
[[ The other question that comes to mind, is, do the Swedes now regret the open arms they have shown Muslims now that they have done so much damage to their country..........not to mention helpless young women who are their fathers' property? ]]
The answer is no.
The Swedes are amongst the dumbest white folks that exist on the planet.
They will STILL support the increasing immigration of muslims, right up until the time the muslims begin cutting their throats, as well as girls' genitals...
Apparently all of us highly intelligent Swedes emigrated to the US. :patriot:
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Apparently all of us highly intelligent Swedes emigrated to the US. :patriot:
yes we did!
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yes we did!
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Once again, raising the question, HOW does the so-called 'feminist' left (in Sweden, and here in America) support Islam??
Not all followers of Islam are sexist womanizing extremists.
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Not all followers of Islam are sexist womanizing extremists.
Then, why aren't the rest of them outraged by this? It's been going on forever and I never hear of a contingent of Muslims standing up and stopping this barbarism.
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Then, why aren't the rest of them outraged by this? It's been going on forever and I never hear of a contingent of Muslims standing up and stopping this barbarism.
It's a very slow work in progress but it is happening.
EDIT: Also don't forget that it wasn't even 100 years ago that women could not vote in the United States. Their culture is still in the process of modernizing.
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It's a very slow work in progress but it is happening.
EDIT: Also don't forget that it wasn't even 100 years ago that women could not vote in the United States. Their culture is still in the process of modernizing.
Comparing the disenfranchisement of women in America to the mutilation and abuse of Islam against women now, is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?? **nononono*
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Comparing the disenfranchisement of women in America to the mutilation and abuse of Islam against women now, is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?? **nononono*
I simply used it as an example to point out that it wasn't even 100 years ago that we ourselves began conquering sexism. Genital mutilation is carried out by a sick and extreme minority of people, and in no way do they represent the whole. There are millions of moral and peaceful Islamic people on Earth.
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Comparing the disenfranchisement of women in America to the mutilation and abuse of Islam against women now, is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?? **nononono*
I agree musiclady. Frankly, as an American woman myself, I feel it's time for each special interest group here to stop whining about being a victim - of anything anymore. Enough already! War on Women - don't make me laugh! Blacks still being oppressed? Get out of here!
These muslim women really are victims of a war on women though. I cannot believe that people are still having to deal with these issues in the 21st century. We must tell these animals to go back to their homelands and we must isolate them - financially and societally - until they get the message and join the rest of us in integrating themselves into the modern world. This has got to stop - and there are millions of Muslims that are just turning their eyes away and going about their business. If I were a Muslim, this would not make me proud - to the point that I would not want to be smeared with their taint.
Something like this would be enough for me to LEAVE a religion like that.
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I simply used it as an example to point out that it wasn't even 100 years ago that we ourselves began conquering sexism. Genital mutilation is carried out by a sick and extreme minority of people, and in no way do they represent the whole. There are millions of moral and peaceful Islamic people on Earth.
Again.......... the sexism of this country never, ever included mutilation of young women.
Even by a tiny minority.
The two situations cannot be compared.
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Again.......... the sexism of this country never, ever included mutilation of young women.
Even by a tiny minority.
The two situations cannot be compared.
How would you feel if people all around the world used the Westboro Baptist Church's actions to label all Christians in the USA? No matter how heinous it is, a minority of people cannot be used to call the majority bad. Most followers of Islam are peaceful people that want to live good lives, just like us. Their culture is slowly catching up to the rest of us, and eventually these kinds of tragedies will be in the past.
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I agree musiclady. Frankly, as an American woman myself, I feel it's time for each special interest group here to stop whining about being a victim - of anything anymore. Enough already! War on Women - don't make me laugh! Blacks still being oppressed? Get out of here!
These muslim women really are victims of a war on women though. I cannot believe that people are still having to deal with these issues in the 21st century. We must tell these animals to go back to their homelands and we must isolate them - financially and societally - until they get the message and join the rest of us in integrating themselves into the modern world. This has got to stop - and there are millions of Muslims that are just turning their eyes away and going about their business. If I were a Muslim, this would not make me proud - to the point that I would not want to be smeared with their taint.
Something like this would be enough for me to LEAVE a religion like that.
I recommended the book on another thread, but I highly recommend the book, Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus by Nabeel Qureshi.
It gives his personal journey from devout (peaceful) Islam here in the West, through the process of history, exegesis and reason, and a factual analysis of Islam and Mohammed, to faith in Jesus Christ.
It doesn't address this issue specifically, but it did help me understand the mindset of one who has been brainwashed from birth into Islam, and why it is so difficult to speak out against it, and to leave.
This man did, but at great expense. And perhaps the reason we don't see more of it is that there are so people of courage in this world.
(Dittos to what you said on the STUPID 'war on women' and racism memes of the left. Enough of this lying garbage!)
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How would you feel if people all around the world used the Westboro Baptist Church's actions to label all Christians in the USA? No matter how heinous it is, a minority of people cannot be used to call the majority bad. Most followers of Islam are peaceful people that want to live good lives, just like us. Their culture is slowly catching up to the rest of us, and eventually these kinds of tragedy will be in the past.
Your mistake is believing that this "minority" of millions of savages will ever, EVER give their strongly held religious beliefs up.
They believe that what they are doing is Allah's will, and that even those peaceful Muslims are apostate.
Your Utopian view of what will happen in the Muslim world is in sharp contrast to what is happening, as we speak, in the Middle East.
These guys aren't going to "catch up culturally." They are going to kill everyone in their path until they have built a Caliphate and dominate the world.
Wake up.
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How would you feel if people all around the world used the Westboro Baptist Church's actions to label all Christians in the USA? No matter how heinous it is, a minority of people cannot be used to call the majority bad. Most followers of Islam are peaceful people that want to live good lives, just like us. Their culture is slowly catching up to the rest of us, and eventually these kinds of tragedies will be in the past.
btw, Westboro "Baptist" church is neither Baptist, nor Christian. NO one who knows anything about them, thinks that.
Militant Islam is following closely what the Quran, and the Prophet, Mohammed teach.
And they DO kill other Muslims who disagree.
Ask the Sufis.
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Your mistake is believing that this "minority" of millions of savages will ever, EVER give their strongly held religious beliefs up.
They believe that what they are doing is Allah's will, and that even those peaceful Muslims are apostate.
Your Utopian view of what will happen in the Muslim world is in sharp contrast to what is happening, as we speak, in the Middle East.
These guys aren't going to "catch up culturally." They are going to kill everyone in their path until they have built a Caliphate and dominate the world.
Wake up.
the same could have been said with equal justification about the Christian Church during a large part of its history. But here we are, with all of that in the distant past.
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the same could have been said with equal justification about the Christian Church during a large part of its history. But here we are, with all of that in the distant past.
Exactly, unchecked Christianity caused just as much horror as any religion ever will.
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btw, Westboro "Baptist" church is neither Baptist, nor Christian. NO one who knows anything about them, thinks that.
Militant Islam is following closely what the Quran, and the Prophet, Mohammed teach.
And they DO kill other Muslims who disagree.
Ask the Sufis.
A Muslim would tell you that the extremists you're talking about are not real Muslims, and that nobody that knows anything about Islam would believe that.
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the same could have been said with equal justification about the Christian Church during a large part of its history. But here we are, with all of that in the distant past.
BIG difference, Oceander.
What has been blamed on the "Christian Church" in the past is the result of "Christianity" and Politics, and the abuses were for political gain (see "Conquistadores").
The killing and maming of others in the name of Christ, is truthfully in direct opposition to the words of Jesus Christ.
Militant Islam IS doing what Mohammed wanted them to do.
BIG difference.
It's not "culture" that has fixed the Church. Quite the contrary. It's closer adherence to what Scripture actually teaches.
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BIG difference, Oceander.
What has been blamed on the "Christian Church" in the past is the result of "Christianity" and Politics, and the abuses were for political gain (see "Conquistadores").
The killing and maming of others in the name of Christ, is truthfully in direct opposition to the words of Jesus Christ.
Militant Islam IS doing what Mohammed wanted them to do.
BIG difference.
It's not "culture" that has fixed the Church. Quite the contrary. It's closer adherence to what Scripture actually teaches.
Have you ever read the Qur'an?
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BIG difference, Oceander.
What has been blamed on the "Christian Church" in the past is the result of "Christianity" and Politics, and the abuses were for political gain (see "Conquistadores").
The killing and maming of others in the name of Christ, is truthfully in direct opposition to the words of Jesus Christ.
Militant Islam IS doing what Mohammed wanted them to do.
BIG difference.
It's not "culture" that has fixed the Church. Quite the contrary. It's closer adherence to what Scripture actually teaches.
There isn't a whit of difference. go read some history. It is precisely culture that fixed the Church.
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I recommended the book on another thread, but I highly recommend the book, Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus by Nabeel Qureshi.
It gives his personal journey from devout (peaceful) Islam here in the West, through the process of history, exegesis and reason, and a factual analysis of Islam and Mohammed, to faith in Jesus Christ.
It doesn't address this issue specifically, but it did help me understand the mindset of one who has been brainwashed from birth into Islam, and why it is so difficult to speak out against it, and to leave.
This man did, but at great expense. And perhaps the reason we don't see more of it is that there are so people of courage in this world.
(Dittos to what you said on the STUPID 'war on women' and racism memes of the left. Enough of this lying garbage!)
Thanks for the book recommendation. The problem with"mainstream" Muslims effecting any change - is that they know they and their family will never be safe if they do. Hell of a religion!
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A Muslim would tell you that the extremists you're talking about are not real Muslims, and that nobody that knows anything about Islam would believe that.
Yeah........but they, themselves, don't know what their own religion teaches. (There has been a militant sect of Islam from the beginning...........those who follow what Mohammed actually said).
There is nothing "Christian" in any of the hatred of Westboro Baptist Church, and it doesn't take a scholar to find it out.
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There isn't a whit of difference. go read some history. It is precisely culture that fixed the Church.
I think it depends on the bias of who writes your history, Oceander.
Find me a single example of Christians killing anyone who didn't believe what they did in the first 3 centuries of Christianity BEFORE it unfortunately, became intertwined with politics.
Better yet, read the Book of Acts in the New Testament, to find out who and what the Church is and is supposed to be, and what it was before it became corrupted by the culture you claim fixed it.
You've got it backwards, my friend.
Christ did not teach ANY of the things that 'historians' blame on Christianity.
It was politics and corruption.
And culture most definitely did NOT 'fix' it.
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I think it depends on the bias of who writes your history, Oceander.
Find me a single example of Christians killing anyone who didn't believe what they did in the first 3 centuries of Christianity BEFORE it unfortunately, became intertwined with politics.
Better yet, read the Book of Acts in the New Testament, to find out who and what the Church is and is supposed to be, and what it was before it became corrupted by the culture you claim fixed it.
You've got it backwards, my friend.
Christ did not teach ANY of the things that 'historians' blame on Christianity.
It was politics and corruption.
And culture most definitely did NOT 'fix' it.
Christianity was always intertwined with politics. The same can be said about Islam.
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Have you ever read the Qur'an?
Large pieces of it.
What's the point?
From the beginning is Islam, people who read and believed the Quran thought that Allah wanted them to kill infidels.
It's in there.
And it's NOT in the Gospels, the words of Jesus, the book of Acts, the Epistles, or anything else for us to kill Muslims, or abuse Native Americans, or enslave blacks.
Those are corruptions of the word of God based on human sin and political corruption.
Again........from the BEGINNING of Islam, there has been violence.
Not so, Christianity. The violence was against the early Christians.
And it was brutal.
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Christianity was always intertwined with politics. The same can be said about Islam.
No. Actually it wasn't.
You need to do some more homework, Dex.
Until Constantine, the government had nothing to do with Christianity.
Christians were known by their love for others. Christians ministered to others' needs. Christians loved those who were outside the faith. And Christians were persecuted for their faith.
Again. You have been misled.
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No. Actually it wasn't.
You need to do some more homework, Dex.
Until Constantine, the government had nothing to do with Christianity.
Christians were known by their love for others. Christians ministered to others' needs. Christians loved those who were outside the faith. And Christians were persecuted for their faith.
Again. You have been misled.
I didn't necessarily mean that the government oversaw Christianity, just that it was involved in the politics of the era. Christ himself was crucified for political reasons.
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I didn't necessarily mean that the government oversaw Christianity, just that it was involved in the politics of the era. Christ himself was crucified for political reasons.
You've self-admitted here that the politics was from the enemies of Jesus, and not Jesus, Himself.
His Kingdom was NOT of this world. It was apolitical. It was spiritual.
And His followers were most definitely NOT governed by politics.
Please read the Book of Acts in the New Testament, and the Gospels for the truth on the subject.
Don't rely on your public school education for the 'facts' you believe.
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Exactly, unchecked Christianity caused just as much horror as any religion ever will.
"Unchecked Christianity"?
Wow. :thud:
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"Unchecked Christianity"?
Wow. :thud:
Yeah, we really need to keep a check on that Golden Rule and turning the other cheek stuff.
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Yeah, we really need to keep a check on that Golden Rule and turning the other cheek stuff.
Yeah...........not to mention, love your neighbor as yourself, love others as Christ has loved you (enough to die for you), love your enemies, be kind to those who persecute you, feed the poor, clothe the naked, help the widows and orphans, go into all the world to share God's love......
We need to keep all that awful Christianity at bay so the culture can make the world a better place.
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Yeah........but they, themselves, don't know what their own religion teaches. (There has been a militant sect of Islam from the beginning...........those who follow what Mohammed actually said).
There is nothing "Christian" in any of the hatred of Westboro Baptist Church, and it doesn't take a scholar to find it out.
And yet, there is plenty of material in the Scriptures and other accepted writings that can quite easily be used to justify as "Christian" the hatred of Westboro Baptist Church. How do you think the Church got from the Sermon on the Mount to the Crusades? Not by simply ignoring Scripture but - just as many extremist muslim militants do - picking and choosing what you want and ignoring the inconvenient.
And the Christian Crusades are quite a pretty picture of a religious genocide that dwarfs what muslim extremists have managed to accomplish so far.
That's the funny thing about compelling religions: they're complicated, sometimes internally contradictory, and can be used to justify all manner of things by selective reading.
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Large pieces of it.
What's the point?
From the beginning is Islam, people who read and believed the Quran thought that Allah wanted them to kill infidels.
It's in there.
And it's NOT in the Gospels, the words of Jesus, the book of Acts, the Epistles, or anything else for us to kill Muslims, or abuse Native Americans, or enslave blacks.
Those are corruptions of the word of God based on human sin and political corruption.
Again........from the BEGINNING of Islam, there has been violence.
Not so, Christianity. The violence was against the early Christians.
And it was brutal.
The Crusades - which were based on the Church's exegesis of Scripture - were orders of magnitude worse: http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm#Crusades
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The Crusades - which were based on the Church's exegesis of Scripture - were orders of magnitude worse: http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm#Crusades
By the time the Crusades occurred, the Church was already political, intertwined with extra-Scriptural opinions that weren't in sync with the behavior and teachings of Jesus, OR the early Church.
Again.........it was mixing Christianity with politics that screwed it up royally.
NEVER the teaching of Jesus, nor the behavior of the early Church.
While the Crusades present a neat and convenient little illustration for those who deny Christ, and His redemptive work, they cannot be used as an accurate example of Christ's teachings, nor the example of the Apostles, nor first (and second and third) century Christians.
The problem with human beings is sin. The problem with politics is corruption because of sin.
In all the negative examples Christ-deniers use to argue against the truth of His word and example, there is a combination of both the sins of the people involved, and political corruption.
That is true of the Inquisition, the Conquistadors, empire-building, abuse of other cultures.
You can come up with any example you want of the corruption of Christianity, Oceander, but it isn't an effective argument against Christianity itself. Only of human failure.
I repeat.........culture did not improve Christianity. Culture corrupts Christianity.
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And yet, there is plenty of material in the Scriptures and other accepted writings that can quite easily be used to justify as "Christian" the hatred of Westboro Baptist Church. How do you think the Church got from the Sermon on the Mount to the Crusades? Not by simply ignoring Scripture but - just as many extremist muslim militants do - picking and choosing what you want and ignoring the inconvenient.
And the Christian Crusades are quite a pretty picture of a religious genocide that dwarfs what muslim extremists have managed to accomplish so far.
That's the funny thing about compelling religions: they're complicated, sometimes internally contradictory, and can be used to justify all manner of things by selective reading.
Once again, Westboro Baptist Church and the Crusades are convenient arguments, but ineffective, because they are the product of corruption and human sin. As you say, the Church went from the Sermon on the Mount to the Crusades, so you, yourself understand at some level that it is a corruption of Christ's teachings, and not Christianity in its true form (Christ's teachings) that is the problem.
One correction, however..... There is nothing "contradictory" in the Christian Scriptures. Only in the understanding of what they mean, and our frail, finite human minds.
Islam, on the other hand, is filled with contradictions, thus leading to the two warring factions that have existed since the corrupt and sinful Mohammed lived and died on this earth.
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And yet, there is plenty of material in the Scriptures and other accepted writings that can quite easily be used to justify as "Christian" the hatred of Westboro Baptist Church. How do you think the Church got from the Sermon on the Mount to the Crusades? Not by simply ignoring Scripture but - just as many extremist muslim militants do - picking and choosing what you want and ignoring the inconvenient.
And the Christian Crusades are quite a pretty picture of a religious genocide that dwarfs what muslim extremists have managed to accomplish so far.
That's the funny thing about compelling religions: they're complicated, sometimes internally contradictory, and can be used to justify all manner of things by selective reading.
I've got to make one more point here.
The idea that anything.......ANYTHING........like "God hates bleep" can be found in Scripture other than in abject distortion, is absurd.
I'm afraid you are one of those pro-gay folks who (deliberately?) misinterpret the clear Scriptural teaching that homosexuality is sin (along with a whole host of others that we ALL are guilty of) and twist it into, anyone who believes in what Scripture clearly teaches hate homosexuals......that we are "homophobes."
It was on another thread that you were close to accusing Christians of being like the Taliban, and that is so far from the truth, and rational thought that it surprised me that you were going there.
Westboro Baptist Church is not even remotely Christian, and Christians are not even remotely like radical, violent Islamists.
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Oh, cool! TBR bleeped my quote from Westboro "Baptist" Asylum!
I LIKE it! :beer:
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The Southern Baptist Church was very mainstream when it supported slavery.
The Roman Catholic Church was very mainstream, when it put Jews on the rack during the Spanish (and other) Inquisition.
The Puritan Church in New England was very mainstream when it burned witches at the stake, like in
Europe too.
The Roman Catholic Church was very mainstream when it condoned human slavery trade.
Rev. Ted Haggard, Rev. Jim Bakker, Rev. Jim Swaggart were very mainstream when their sexual scandals dazzled their television groupies.
No wonder many people say they are spiritual, but not religious.
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The Crusades - which were based on the Church's exegesis of Scripture - were orders of magnitude worse: http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm#Crusades
I'm curious. What is the theological background of any of the authors quoted here? Or Matthew White, the author of "Atrocities"?
Also, I noted in a quick look at the list of resources that the authors were all rationalists, and basically anti-Christians.
Do you have any objective sources for your information?
Just curious......
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The Southern Baptist Church was very mainstream when it supported slavery.
The Roman Catholic Church was very mainstream, when it put Jews on the rack during the Spanish (and other) Inquisition.
The Puritan Church in New England was very mainstream when it burned witches at the stake, like in
Europe too.
The Roman Catholic Church was very mainstream when it condoned human slavery trade.
Rev. Ted Haggard, Rev. Jim Bakker, Rev. Jim Swaggart were very mainstream when their sexual scandals dazzled their television groupies.
No wonder many people say they are spiritual, but not religious.
I know you pretty much hate Christians, ts, but I'll say this to you once again....
Christians, through the ages, have been sinners. ALL the things you mention are the product of human sin, combined with political and economic forces.
You can list whatever you like as your standard "Christians are evil" meme, but it doesn't change the fact that each one of the examples you list is an aberration of what Christ taught, and how the early Church lived.
As for your use of the word "mainstream".......I wonder why you ever would equate "mainstream" with righteousness and truth?
Christ said from the beginning that to be a Christian was to follow a narrow path.
"Mainstream" is the antithesis of righteousness.
It was William Wilberforce, who, through the power and leading of God in Christ, ended the slave trade, going against the British government and economic interests. It was the Quakers in England and America who, through God, in Christ, fought for the abolition of slavery. They were anything but "mainstream." They were following Christ.
True Christianity, by its very nature, can never be "mainstream."
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I know you pretty much hate Christians, ts, but I'll say this to you once again....
I'll say this again. I don't hate anybody. I was raised that way as a Christian.
You, on the other hand, seem comfortable with accusing those who don't agree with you, of "hating."
A lot of what I see among so called "conservative" Christian circles is hatred.
http://theevangelists.blogspot.com/2011/04/hall-of-shame.html
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I'll say this again. I don't hate anybody. I was raised that way as a Christian.
You, on the other hand, seem comfortable with accusing those who don't agree with you, of "hating."
A lot of what I see among so called "conservative" Christian circles is hatred.
http://theevangelists.blogspot.com/2011/04/hall-of-shame.html
I'm sorry if I offended you, truth seeker, but I've seen nothing but disdain from you about Christians. You SEEM to look at the entire history of Christianity as nothing but one offense after another, and refuse to acknowledge all the good that faithful Christians have done over the centuries (schools, hospitals, charities, etc., etc., etc.).
If you don't hate Christians, I apologize. I only based that statement on what I've seen from you time after time after time.
There are plenty of people who disagree with me about many, many things, and I haven't ever used the word "hate" to describe their words. That's what I've seen in your words, and your attitudes, and again, I deeply apologize if I've been wrong.
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I'm sorry if I offended you, truth seeker, but I've seen nothing but disdain from you about Christians. You SEEM to look at the entire history of Christianity as nothing but one offense after another, and refuse to acknowledge all the good that faithful Christians have done over the centuries (schools, hospitals, charities, etc., etc., etc.).
If you don't hate Christians, I apologize. I only based that statement on what I've seen from you time after time after time.
There are plenty of people who disagree with me about many, many things, and I haven't ever used the word "hate" to describe their words. That's what I've seen in your words, and your attitudes, and again, I deeply apologize if I've been wrong.
You have said several times I hate Christians, but I don't. I am disappointed that they are so hypocritical and judgmental, and so quick to disavow the history.
I am a political conservative, but not a member of the religious right. I am disappointed that the religious right does not attract new voters, because of the self-righteous attitude.
I do NOT like James Dobson, Ted Haggard, or Benny Hinn, or others who DO represent organized Christianity, no matter how much others disavow them.
But I don't hate them, or their gullible groupies.
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I've got to make one more point here.
The idea that anything.......ANYTHING........like "God hates bleep" can be found in Scripture other than in abject distortion, is absurd.
I'm afraid you are one of those pro-gay folks who (deliberately?) misinterpret the clear Scriptural teaching that homosexuality is sin (along with a whole host of others that we ALL are guilty of) and twist it into, anyone who believes in what Scripture clearly teaches hate homosexuals......that we are "homophobes."
It was on another thread that you were close to accusing Christians of being like the Taliban, and that is so far from the truth, and rational thought that it surprised me that you were going there.
Westboro Baptist Church is not even remotely Christian, and Christians are not even remotely like radical, violent Islamists.
/snicker
pro-gay? Sorry, I'm pro individual rights which to me means: keep your nose and your damned laws out of my business. It also means respecting the will of the majority, even if I don't like it, unless and until that will steps beyond the very wide boundaries established by the Constitution. So while I don't agree with the lengths to which the concept of faggot-marriage has been pushed, the fact of the matter is that in many places it is the will of the majority that the relationships of gay couples be recognized for civil law purposes. So be it. The State's recognition, and sanctioning, of gay couples' relationships doesn't do any affirmative harm to me even though I may not like it.
And I don't need to twist anything to prove you're a homophobe, I merely need to quote your own words back at you.
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You have said several times I hate Christians, but I don't. I am disappointed that they are so hypocritical and judgmental, and so quick to disavow the history.
I am a political conservative, but not a member of the religious right. I am disappointed that the religious right does not attract new voters, because of the self-righteous attitude.
I do NOT like James Dobson, Ted Haggard, or Benny Hinn, or others who DO represent organized Christianity, no matter how much others disavow them.
But I don't hate them, or their gullible groupies.
I'm not fond of their groupies either.
And I abhor hypocrisy.
So I guess we're on the same page, then. :beer:
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/snicker
pro-gay? Sorry, I'm pro individual rights which to me means: keep your nose and your damned laws out of my business. It also means respecting the will of the majority, even if I don't like it, unless and until that will steps beyond the very wide boundaries established by the Constitution. So while I don't agree with the lengths to which the concept of faggot-marriage has been pushed, the fact of the matter is that in many places it is the will of the majority that the relationships of gay couples be recognized for civil law purposes. So be it. The State's recognition, and sanctioning, of gay couples' relationships doesn't do any affirmative harm to me even though I may not like it.
And I don't need to twist anything to prove you're a homophobe, I merely need to quote your own words back at you.
/snicker back atcha.
I have stated that homosexual behavior is a sin, and that there is a militant homosexual agenda.
If that makes me, in your eyes, "homophobic," so be it.
But I would suggest an eye exam, because I am nothing of the sort.
Not. Even. Close.
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We should never forget islam is the "preferred" religion of Obama. I wonder what he would have done if HIS daughters had to suffer through it?
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Dex wrote above:
[[ Most followers of Islam are peaceful people that want to live good lives, just like us. ]]
That's nonsense. That's projection of the Christian ideal towards a group of people who are NOT "like us" in any way.
islamics who are devout may be "peaceful", but it is a demand upon the devout muslim to support the concept of jihad against dar al-harb.
Peaceful muslims are like [presently] non-malignant cancer cells. They may not be a danger to the body at this moment, but there is always the chance they may become malignant and attack that body. They want to see that body transformed from dar al-harb into dar al-islam.
The most telling images (and the ones most suppressed) of the September 11th attacks where those showing islamics dancing, and ladies ululating. More than anything, that conveyed to me what the "peaceful" islamics thought of the attacks and the jihadis who carried it out.