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General Category => Elections 2020 => Topic started by: mystery-ak on July 08, 2020, 04:35:05 pm
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Andrew Trunsky
Contributor
July 08, 2020 11:32 AM ET
The Cook Political Report updated its 2020 electoral college projection map Wednesday, giving presumptive Democratic nominee and former Vice President Joe Biden a healthy lead over President Donald Trump.
Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, two states that were crucial to Trump’s win in 2016, moved from the “toss up†column to the “lean Democratic†column. Georgia, which Trump won by over five points in 2016, moved from the “lean Republican†column to the “toss up†column, joining Arizona, North Carolina and Florida, the updated map shows.
Trump won all of those states four years ago.
“This election is looking more like a Democratic tsunami than simply a blue wave,†said Amy Walter, Cook’s national editor.
Other changes to the projection include Maine’s 2nd Congressional District, which moved from “likely Republican†to “lean Republican.†Maine, which apportions its electoral votes by congressional district, moved from “lean Democratic†to “likely Democratic†as a result.
Nebraska, the only other state apportions its electoral votes by congressional district, saw its suburban 2nd Congressional District shift from “toss up†to “lean Democrat†in Cook’s report.
“These moves alone push Biden over the 270 electoral vote threshold,†Walter said, meaning that Biden would still win the election if he were to lose every toss up state.
more
https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/08/democratic-tsunami-cook-political-report-updates-2020-map/
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I suppose his poll factors in Kanye West?
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I suppose his poll factors in Kanye West?
It factors in any damned thing the Democrat masters of the media want.
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Apparently Americans can’t get enough rat sponsored riots, hatred of country and lockdowns.
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Apparently Americans can’t get enough rat sponsored riots, hatred of country and lockdowns.
Maybe they see that as the only way to stop the riots and lockdowns
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Maybe they see that as the only way to stop the riots and lockdowns
I don't get it, personally, but IMO ignoring this tsunamic of negative polling for Trump is foolish.
We have about 5 more jobs reports from now until the election, hopefully those improve the situation.
This is disheartening. Vote, but prepare for the worst IMO.
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Apparently Americans can’t get enough rat sponsored riots, hatred of country and lockdowns.
Folks want none of those things. But they also have had enough of Donald Trump.
This is what happens when both parties decide to present John Q. Public with such rotten choices.
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Folks want none of those things. But they also have had enough of Donald Trump.
This is what happens when both parties decide to present John Q. Public with such rotten choices.
When was the last time we had a "decent" choice? 1988?
Life's full of shit choices we have to make, don't know why it's such a shock politics is like that.
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When was the last time we had a "decent" choice? 1988?
Life's full of shit choices we have to make, don't know why it's such a shock politics is like that.
Maybe if more people bothered to do their own research and voted in primaries instead of letting their "betters" tell them what to do it wouldn't be like that.
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When was the last time we had a "decent" choice? 1988?
Life's full of shit choices we have to make, don't know why it's such a shock politics is like that.
Bullshit. We must demand better. Why should I be forced to choose between the lesser of two evils? I'd rather not vote at all for President (especially since my vote will likely be cancelled out by a fraudulent vote anyhow.)
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“Republics are created by the virtue, public spirit, and intelligence of the citizens. They fall, when the wise are banished from the public councils, because they dare to be honest, and the profligate are rewarded, because they flatter the people, in order to betray them.â€
Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution, 1833
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Folks want none of those things. But they also have had enough of Donald Trump.
This is what happens when both parties decide to present John Q. Public with such rotten choices.
You don’t like him. I do, but I don’t claim to speak for all Americans.
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Folks want none of those things. But they also have had enough of Donald Trump.
This is what happens when both parties decide to present John Q. Public with such rotten choices.
Who are you pushing now?
Kasich, Haley, Sanford, the latest?
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You don’t like him. I do, but I don’t claim to speak for all Americans.
Well, that speaks for me. It is of no consequence to me at all there are people who hate him and think they're being clever about it, by claiming to prefer ridiculously unelectable bozos like Kasich or Sanford.
The world is full of Brainiacs.
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Who are you pushing now?
Kasich, Haley, Sanford, the latest?
Anyone who won't lead the GOP to defeat in November and usher in the Deluge.
Open your eyes folks! Trump is killing us!
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Well, that speaks for me. It is of no consequence to me at all there are people who hate him and think they're being clever about it, by claiming to prefer ridiculously unelectable bozos like Kasich or Sanford.
The world is full of Brainiacs.
I deduct points from anyone who predicates their own opinions with dumb stuff like "folks want..."
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Georgia, which Trump won by over five points in 2016, moved from the “lean Republican†column to the “toss up†column
Somebody has been smoking quite a lot of crack.
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Somebody has been smoking quite a lot of crack.
They are doing their best to convince you!
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I suppose his poll factors in Kanye West?
Kanye said he was running as Independent, but if Trump wasn't running, he would run Republican.
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Weird wrote (wisely):
"I don't get it, personally, but IMO ignoring this tsunami of negative polling for Trump is foolish.
...This is disheartening. Vote, but prepare for the worst IMO"
If Joe Biden can beat Donald Trump (considering what's going on in America right now), then we will never see a Republican elected to the presidency again.
The democrat-communists will make sure of that, whether Joe hangs on until the end of his term, or is replaced due to declining competency. They'll pack the courts, give DC statehood, end the filibuster and ram through the Congress legislation that will make obamacare look conservative by comparison.
Perhaps some as-yet-completely-unexpected event or series of events awaits us between now and November that will send shock waves throughout the population and change their minds.
But right now, things ain't lookin' so good.
Not for Mr. Trump -- and certainly not for the prospect of a free American future.
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Folks want none of those things. But they also have had enough of Donald Trump.
You've been saying this since the day you joined this forum in 2015 @Jazzhead . You've been consistently wrong. It's time for a new and improved argument from you.
This is what happens when both parties decide to present John Q. Public with such rotten choices.
No. This is what happens when one candidate is so awful he cannot be seen in public, even announcing he will not be holding rallies. In the blink of an eye I expect Biden will also announce he will not be participating in debates. The media will wildly applaud ... you will blame the President.
Where is your outrage that the socialist-democrats are playing you, especially you, for a useful idiot? Or is this the willing price you pay to install the socialists? After all, in 2016 Hillary was acceptable to you, so history being prelude, so, too, is Biden.
I think after five years here you know you'll not be banned for admitting who and what you truly are. So, respect us enough to drop the façade.
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http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,407797.msg2245726.html#msg2245726 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,407797.msg2245726.html#msg2245726)
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Bullshit. We must demand better.
Bullshit. Your time to demand better is over. You time to choose is now.
Why should I be forced to choose between the lesser of two evils? I'd rather not vote at all for President ...
Because in a close election, as this will be, every vote against the Socialist Politburo under the figurehead Joe Biden is needed. It's your right not to vote for the President, but execute that right with care.
Occam's razor @Jazzhead --- tells us that anyone willing to accept the socialist control of our three branches of government, IS a socialist.
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Bullshit. Your time to demand better is over. You time to choose is now.
Because in a close election, as this will be, every vote against the Socialist Politburo under the figurehead Joe Biden is needed. It's your right not to vote for the President, but execute that right with care.
Occam's razor @Jazzhead --- tells us that anyone willing to accept the socialist control of our three branches of government, IS a socialist.
And a treasonous bastard and moron. Not necessarily in that order.
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And a treasonous bastard and moron. Not necessarily in that order.
888high58888
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Anyone who won't lead the GOP to defeat in November and usher in the Deluge.
Open your eyes folks! Trump is killing us!
Trump is killing us.
LOL.
Open your eyes.
This video will help.
http://youtu.be/zcqZHYo7ONs (http://youtu.be/zcqZHYo7ONs)
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No. This is what happens when one candidate is so awful he cannot be seen in public, even announcing he will not be holding rallies. In the blink of an eye I expect Biden will also announce he will not be participating in debates. The media will wildly applaud ... you will blame the President.
Where is your outrage that the socialist-democrats are playing you, especially you, for a useful idiot? Or is this the willing price you pay to install the socialists? After all, in 2016 Hillary was acceptable to you, so history being prelude, so, too, is Biden.
pointing-up
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Folks want none of those things. But they also have had enough of Donald Trump.
This is what happens when both parties decide to present John Q. Public with such rotten choices.
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Rotten is a monumental understatement.
Consider a moment, our early elections.
1796/ Adams vs. Jefferson.
1800 / Adams vs. Jefferson.
1808 / Madison vs. Pickney.
1812 / Monroe vs Clinton.
All were our Founding Founders!!!!
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Rotten is a monumental understatement.
Consider a moment, our early elections.
1796/ Adams vs. Jefferson.
1800 / Adams vs. Jefferson.
1808 / Madison vs. Pickney.
1812 / Monroe vs Clinton.
All were our Founding Founders!!!!
And now...
Floundering Flounders. heh heh heh
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Occam's razor @Jazzhead --- tells us that anyone willing to accept the socialist control of our three branches of government, IS a socialist.
I am not willing to accept that. I want to see a renewed emphasis on the Senate, and indeed to the GOP Congressional candidates as a whole. I am not cheerleading against the President. I am just willing to accept reality and believe the GOP should urge ticket splitting by patriots who are weary of the shitshow, to gain the ability to curb the Dems' most destructive tendencies.
Go ahead and support Trump. I understand the logic; I understand your support for the man. I, too, support most of his policies. If he wins, fantastic. But if he loses, we cannot afford to lose all. We need to put ourselves in the best position to play defense the next few years.
We need not work at cross purposes. You rally the base. Let folks like me speak frankly to those who cannot support Trump about the perils of woke fascism and the wisdom of divided government.
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I think after five years here you know you'll not be banned for admitting who and what you truly are. So, respect us enough to drop the façade.
Stop with the drama. No facade. Having read you for all these years, on the issues we're like brother and sister. Our difference consists of our assessment of Trump, nothing more.
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Anyone who won't lead the GOP to defeat in November and usher in the Deluge.
Open your eyes folks! Trump is killing us!
My eyes are wide open, more open than most and last time I checked Trump has been trying to take this country in a more positive direction; more so than 'W', more so than his daddy. No, he isn't perfect, and he raises some eyebrows at times. I get that.
What is killing this country are the leftists and globalists who are trying to stop him...so far he has overcome most of those roadblocks. Instead of trying to convince everyone erroneously that he's trying to kill us, how about opening your eyes and realizing that we all (including our Congressmen) need to stand behind him in order to defeat the socialists on the other side.
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I don't get it, personally, but IMO ignoring this tsunamic of negative polling for Trump is foolish.
This is disheartening. Vote, but prepare for the worst IMO.
It's designed to be disheartening @Weird Tolkienish Figure But polls truly are unreliable, even the media driven "trend".
Back in 2016 Trump supporters literally used a head nod and wink to identify themselves to other Trump supporters. (This is true, especially in DC) If we were polled, we ignored the call or lied. Why? The crap that came our way just wasn't worth it.
The cancel culture and violence this year makes it less likely that folks are walking around with their MAGA hats. or chatting with pollsters. But we're here ... and every now and then we hold our own rally .... as folks from 11 states did on a lake in South Carolina on Sunday (Jul 5).
Keep an eye on the polls, sure. But remember even if we don't jump in front of cameras, we vote. Personally, I prefer the President to be behind. He's at his best pushing through to victory.
Here's a link to the boat rally for the President. A snapshot, for sure .... but one you won't see on MSNBCNN or even Fox.
Pinned Tweet
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
THANK YOU! #MAGA2020
Video from Jul 4 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1281071885887975424
11:45 PM · Jul 8, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
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(http://i.imgur.com/UwrPE4P.jpg)
And so, too, for anyone that abstains or votes 3rd Party.
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(http://i.imgur.com/UwrPE4P.jpg)
And so, too, for anyone that abstains or votes 3rd Party.
Meh... I can understand not voting for Trump, but I cannot understand voting for Biden. There's a huge difference there.
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Meh... I can understand not voting for Trump, but I cannot understand voting for Biden. There's a huge difference there.
Agreed. I don't hear anyone here advocating a vote for Biden.
I have no objection to anyone who votes for Trump. I just can't see a realistic scenario where he can win. Given that perspective (with which you may, of course, disagree), I trust you can understand my message that GOP retention of the Senate is far more important than Trump's second term. Because there isn't IMO gonna be one and we need the ability to curb Democrat radicalism.
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I have no objection to anyone who votes for Trump. I just can't see a realistic scenario where he can win.
:shrug: He already won once, so winning again isn't unrealistic. I will concede he's not doing good in polling, although I suspect the polls are lagging the left's overreaching? There's were a few positive polls for Trump in RCP last I checked.
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I think expecting people to split tickets in order to throw out the hated Orange Man, yet keep a chamber of the Legislature, is 100% pure fantasy.
Want to keep the Senate? Then you have to keep Trump, meany Tweets and all. That's the bottom line.
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This is just the usual tactics to demoralize Conservatives prior to the election. If you pay any attention at all to the #WalkAway and Blexit movements, then you will be filled with hope for the coming election. I think President Trump is going to win from a tsunami of former Democrat votes. A very small minority of Blacks support what’s going on and this is all waking up those who don’t to how the Democrats have been using them for their votes.
The #Walkaway votes will probably be only good for this one election, but the Blacks who are realizing that they are Conservative and have Conservative values and have been lied to about the history of the Democrat party are going to stay solidly in our camp.
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I have no objection to anyone who votes for Trump. I just can't see a realistic scenario where he can win.
I am guessing you thought the same thing in 2016.
Agreed. I don't hear anyone here advocating a vote for Biden.
I don't hear anyone anywhere advocating a vote for Joe Biden. And that is the problem. People want to vote 'for' something, not 'against' something.
Those who voted for Trump four years ago voted for him because he understood real Americans/build the wall/drain the swamp/etc. And people who voted for Hillary did so because she was a woman/bring back the prosperous Clinton years/uphold the status quo. There was more for a Democrat to vote for with Hillary Clinton than there will ever be to vote for Joe Biden. The support and enthusiasm simply isn't there.
Over the past half a century, it has been the black vote that has carried Democrats to the finish line. When blacks turn out to vote, the Democrat wins. When they don't turn out, the Republican wins. And this election, they have no reason to turn out for Joe Biden.
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Meh... I can understand not voting for Trump, but I cannot understand voting for Biden. There's a huge difference there.
Yeah, the difference is stubborn pride. It goes like this: “Since Trump is not a conservative (or not conservative enough), I’m not gonna lift a finger to stop the Marxist/socialist/democrats from winning the highest office in the land. That’ll teach ‘em! Next time, nominate and elect a conservative, damn it!â€
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Yeah, the difference is stubborn pride. It goes like this: “Since Trump is not a conservative (or not conservative enough), I’m not gonna lift a finger to stop the Marxist/socialist/democrats from winning the highest office in the land. That’ll teach ‘em! Next time, nominate and elect a conservative, damn it!â€
Maybe if y'all worried more about what your own are doing instead of what the others are, you could attract a bigger following.
The customer is always right.
If the customer won't buy your goods, it is no one's fault but your own.
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Maybe if y'all worried more about what your own are doing instead of what the others are, you could attract a bigger following.
The customer is always right.
If the customer won't buy your goods, it is no one's fault but your own.
True. People need a reason to vote 'for' Trump, not a reason to vote 'against' Biden. Doing nothing is already a vote against Biden.
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True. People need a reason to vote 'for' Trump, not a reason to vote 'against' Biden. Doing nothing is already a vote against Biden.
Yep.
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aligncare wrote:
"Next time, nominate and elect a conservative, damn it!â€"
A Fishrrman almost-fearless prediction:
Donald Trump is the MOST "conservative" Republican president that ever will be elected again.
Certainly within the lifespan of Briefers reading this post.
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"General Welfare. The concern of the government for the health, peace, morality, and safety of its citizens. Providing for the welfare of the general public is a basic goal of government. The preamble to the U.S. Constitution cites promotion of the general welfare as a primary reason for the creation of the Constitution ..."
A truly enlightened and civilized society would have no need for a government. IMO, government is a necessary evil. Thus, IMO, voting is a necessary evil. "The lesser of two evils" is horseshit. Abstaining is YOUR choice. Voting for any person is YOUR choice. Telling someone how they voted or not was wrong (from any angle) is complete F*ucking Horseshit.
I will vote for the people I think will best provide for the general welfare.
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True. People need a reason to vote 'for' Trump, not a reason to vote 'against' Biden. Doing nothing is already a vote against Biden.
Anyone who cant see what’s at stake in this election by now is probably not going to suddenly have their minds changed because of a Trump campaign ad. Trump talks about his record every chance he gets.
If Trump loses he will lose because most voting Americans want what the left is selling - in summary, the security the statists are selling, more government control over their lives. Not because they were fooled by the rat media or any other reason.
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Anyone who cant see what’s at stake in this election by now is probably not going to suddenly have their minds changed because of a Trump campaign ad. Trump talks about his record every chance he gets.
If Trump loses he will lose because most voting Americans want what the left is selling - in summary, the security the statists are selling, more government control over their lives. Not because they were fooled by the rat media or any other reason.
I would propose that there is no distinction. big.gov on all sides. I see no choice at all. :shrug:
I see what's at stake. What I don't see is the answer.
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I would propose that there is no distinction. big.gov on all sides. I see no choice at all. :shrug:
I see what's at stake. What I don't see is the answer.
George Washington spent years fighting nothing more than holding actions in the midst of a smallpox epidemic until the proper moment came along. Sam Houston did the exact same over a shorter period.
Gonna leave it right there.
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George Washington spent years fighting nothing more than holding actions in the midst of a smallpox epidemic until the proper moment came along. Sam Houston did the exact same over a shorter period.
Gonna leave it right there.
Right. Thirty years now... Bupkis. Not a damn thing to show for it.
And I'll leave it right there too.
happy77 :beer:
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George Washington spent years fighting nothing more than holding actions in the midst of a smallpox epidemic until the proper moment came along. Sam Houston did the exact same over a shorter period.
Gonna leave it right there.
Concise and eloquent. I agree entirely.
Lose in November and there will be no Yorktown or San Jacinto. Not for a very long time.
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Concise and eloquent. I agree entirely.
Lose in November and there will be no Yorktown or San Jacinto. Not for a very long time.
There won't be one anyway. Not if y'all accept simple appeasement.
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Right. Thirty years now... Bupkis. Not a damn thing to show for it.
And I'll leave it right there too.
happy77 :beer:
As you well know, I was right there doing the same thing for FAR longer than 30 years and got the exact same for my efforts but my makeup simply will not allow me to pull the plug on this republic. I love it too much. I get very discouraged at times but always come back to it's worth fighting to the bitter end.
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As you well know, I was right there doing the same thing for FAR longer than 30 years and got the exact same for my efforts but my makeup simply will not allow me to pull the plug on this republic. I love it too much. I get very discouraged at times but always come back to it's worth fighting to the bitter end.
Again, you are speaking for many of us @Bigun.
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As you well know, I was right there doing the same thing for FAR longer than 30 years and got the exact same for my efforts but my makeup simply will not allow me to pull the plug on this republic. I love it too much. I get very discouraged at times but always come back to it's worth fighting to the bitter end.
Oh me too. Sooner or later one has to refer to the definition of insanity. Holding actions change nothing. But backstabbing Republicans do.
Nope. No more candy from the clown at the front of the parade. Damn-well put up or shut up. Show me the money. I am done flailing for nothing.
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Oh me too. Sooner or later one has to refer to the definition of insanity. Holding actions change nothing. But backstabbing Republicans do.
Nope. No more candy from the clown at the front of the parade. Damn-well put up or shut up. Show me the money. I am done flailing for nothing.
Suit yourself. I'm done with this for today.
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Again, you are speaking for many of us @Bigun.
:yowsa: @skeeter I know. It may well be too late. I have expressed that myself here several times in fact but in the end, I'm just not wired for quitting. This country may very well become the world's next Venezuela but it will do so over my literally dead body.
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Again, you are speaking for many of us @Bigun.
Have at it. Surely Lucy will hold that football steady this time. :beer: :thud:
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:yowsa: @skeeter I know. It may well be too late. I have expressed that myself here several times in fact but in the end, I'm just not wired for quitting. This country may very well become the world's next Venezuela but it will do so over my literally dead body.
Easy now. Who's quitting? :pondering: **nononono* :nono:
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:yowsa: @skeeter I know. It may well be too late. I have expressed that myself here several times in fact but in the end, I'm just not wired for quitting. This country may very well become the world's next Venezuela but it will do so over my literally dead body.
I’d like to think it will be over mine as well.
The history of man is replete with dramatic reversals, I’m praying for one now.
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Right.
Can I have my neutron bombs now?
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Andrew Trunsky
Contributor
July 08, 2020 11:32 AM ET
The Cook Political Report updated its 2020 electoral college projection map Wednesday, giving presumptive Democratic nominee and former Vice President Joe Biden a healthy lead over President Donald Trump.
Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, two states that were crucial to Trump’s win in 2016, moved from the “toss up†column to the “lean Democratic†column. Georgia, which Trump won by over five points in 2016, moved from the “lean Republican†column to the “toss up†column, joining Arizona, North Carolina and Florida, the updated map shows.
Trump won all of those states four years ago.
“This election is looking more like a Democratic tsunami than simply a blue wave,†said Amy Walter, Cook’s national editor.
Other changes to the projection include Maine’s 2nd Congressional District, which moved from “likely Republican†to “lean Republican.†Maine, which apportions its electoral votes by congressional district, moved from “lean Democratic†to “likely Democratic†as a result.
Nebraska, the only other state apportions its electoral votes by congressional district, saw its suburban 2nd Congressional District shift from “toss up†to “lean Democrat†in Cook’s report.
“These moves alone push Biden over the 270 electoral vote threshold,†Walter said, meaning that Biden would still win the election if he were to lose every toss up state.
more
https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/08/democratic-tsunami-cook-political-report-updates-2020-map/
If this is true.... Kiss our country goodbye....
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Well, Rasmussen has Biden by 10. He gave Hillary a 7 point lead after the tape leaked, but he generally favored Trump that year, and gave him a lead in July.
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Wake up everyone. Charlie Cook is an uber liberal Democrat. Why the NYT and WaPO sing his praises.
I would not trust one word from this analysis. It is poppycock.
HRC had a 7% lead going into the election of 2016. Trump won. Enough said.
The choice between Trump and whoever he is running against, say Biden is a choice between our democratic republic and radical socialism which will lead to a totalitarian form of the worst communism. It is that simple, and I think enough Americans outside the Trump core supporters will come to that realization.
Biden has included AOC into his campaign effort. Trump needs to remind Americans every day what her ideas mean to the people of America, starting with 50% of all jobs existing today gone in the next four years. Union jobs too!
I fully expect a tsunami in November, but it will be the Republicans enjoying that moment in time, not the Democommies!!!
Donald Trump is the greatest president in my 66 years on this planet. Just imagine if he had a party that worked with him what could be done.
Trump wins, but he could win bigger if he eliminated the H1-b Visa Program as he promised. It would generate 1-2 million more votes.
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A Hill/HarrisX poll has Biden’s lead shrinking to 4 pts. For whatever it’s worth.
Polls, at this point, are meaningless.
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Polls, atthis point, are meaningless.
The only reason for polls is to gauge the effectiveness of liberal media propaganda.
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The only reason for polls is to gauge the effectiveness of liberal media propaganda.
After having seen dozens & dozens of polls suddenly ‘tighten up’ two or three days before the election I gotta agree.