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Title: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: mystery-ak on August 09, 2018, 02:05:48 pm
Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
By Aris Folley - 08/09/18 09:49 AM EDT

Republican pollster Frank Luntz said the GOP is heading towards a “potential political disaster” in the November midterm elections.

Speaking to The Associated Press, Luntz said that while the president energizes his party’s base, he anticipates Trump’s distractions and rhetoric could deter swing voters in battleground elections in House districts.

“This is political malpractice,” he told the news agency in a report published on Wednesday.

“You can’t find me a time in modern times when the economy was this strong and the governing party was headed toward a potential political disaster like this,” Luntz continued.

more
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/401051-frank-luntz-gop-facing-potential-political-disaster-in-midterms (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/401051-frank-luntz-gop-facing-potential-political-disaster-in-midterms)
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Night Hides Not on August 09, 2018, 02:27:17 pm
Hey Frank, sit down, shut up, and buy a better toupee.

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“You can’t find me a time in modern times when the economy was this strong and the governing party was headed toward a potential political disaster like this,” Luntz continued.

IMO, the "governing party" hasn't "governed"...no wall, ballooning deficits, etc. About the only thing they've done well is confirm Trump's judges.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Bigun on August 09, 2018, 02:29:19 pm
Bovine fecal matter! 
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Frank Cannon on August 09, 2018, 02:39:44 pm
Hey Frank. Can you explain how winning Special Elections equates into a massive loss? Oh yeah. It doesn't.

Frank Luntz on Twitter, November 8, 2016: “Hillary Clinton will be the next President of the United States.”
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Night Hides Not on August 09, 2018, 02:53:15 pm
Hey Frank. Can you explain how winning Special Elections equates into a massive loss? Oh yeah. It doesn't.

Frank Luntz on Twitter, November 8, 2016: “Hillary Clinton will be the next President of the United States.”

What's funny about his prediction is that his focus groups weren't saying that, they were pretty strong for Trump IIRC.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Emjay on August 09, 2018, 05:45:57 pm
Hey Frank. Can you explain how winning Special Elections equates into a massive loss? Oh yeah. It doesn't.

Frank Luntz on Twitter, November 8, 2016: “Hillary Clinton will be the next President of the United States.”

It's been a long time since Frank Luntz has been right about anything and an even longer time since he's been relevant.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: ArneFufkin on August 09, 2018, 06:06:44 pm
Nearly 380,000 votes were cast in Ohio 12 in 2016.   Around 205,000 in Tuesday's Special election.

One would suspect that Democrats, who we are constantly being told are "engaged, motivated, enthused", would have a higher representation at the polls last Tuesday for an early-August Special Election than would the Republicans who have historically made this District a reliably red one.

With Gubernatorial and a U.S. Senate race on the ballot November 6, one can expect more of a Presidential year turnout than the usual off-year participation.    That bodes well for the GOP, whose supporters have other interests and obligations in their lives besides politics and who are quick to suffer political fatigue.

Luntz is a jackass.  He says whatever those who pay him want to hear.   The supporters of GOP policy and candidates will be out en force this November.   If the RATS had taken eight of nine of these special elections I'd be worried.   But, the GOP candidates took 8 out of 9.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: mystery-ak on August 09, 2018, 06:12:57 pm
Cook says Dems out-performing in special elections by 8 percent
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/401111-cook-says-dems-out-performing-in-special-elections-by-8-percent (http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/401111-cook-says-dems-out-performing-in-special-elections-by-8-percent)
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: bilo on August 09, 2018, 06:51:34 pm
Cook says Dems out-performing in special elections by 8 percent
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/401111-cook-says-dems-out-performing-in-special-elections-by-8-percent (http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/401111-cook-says-dems-out-performing-in-special-elections-by-8-percent)

I think the pollsters are just guessing at this, more so than in the past.

Everyone had hillary winning and she didn't. It wasn't even supposed to be close.

No one has a clear vision of what the turnout will be. They can look at past results, but I don't believe that takes into account the voters who were previously blue collar Rats that crossed over for Trump and those who will cross over for him now because they see his America First policies being implemented. I know he's not on the ballot, but he will be busy campaigning and those Pubs that embrace him will probably get a big boost.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Wingnut on August 09, 2018, 06:56:43 pm
It's been a long time since Frank Luntz has been right about anything and an even longer time since he's been relevant.

He is the bastard son of another irrelevant, past his use by date, white board waving, stuck on stupid chump.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Victoria33 on August 09, 2018, 07:15:23 pm
"Cook says Dems out-performing in special elections by 8 percent
cook-says-dems-out-performing-in-special-elections-by-8-percent"

What he means is Dems are showing up in special elections by a number they have not before.  That means they are interested NOW; that also means more of them will show up in November than ever before.  Add independents who vote from emotion, and they don't like the bombast Trump, so will also show up in November to vote against him, which is vote for Democrats.  This is an educated guess that it could happen this way and it is also what Luntz means, but no one knows until it actually happens.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Emjay on August 09, 2018, 07:26:02 pm
"Cook says Dems out-performing in special elections by 8 percent
cook-says-dems-out-performing-in-special-elections-by-8-percent"

What he means is Dems are showing up in special elections by a number they have not before.  That means they are interested NOW; that also means more of them will show up in November than ever before.  Add independents who vote from emotion, and they don't like the bombast Trump, so will also show up in November to vote against him, which is vote for Democrats.  This is an educated guess that it could happen this way and it is also what Luntz means, but no one knows until it actually happens.

Trump has no bombast to compare with Luntz.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: ArneFufkin on August 09, 2018, 07:26:13 pm
A more sober analysis:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/08/08/gops_special_election_wins_counter_media_spin_137760.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/08/08/gops_special_election_wins_counter_media_spin_137760.html)
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: libertybele on August 09, 2018, 07:30:19 pm
With so many hit pieces from the MSM focusing on GOP disasters I am now inclined to declare B.S. and look forward to a red tidal wave like never seen before!  :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: truth_seeker on August 09, 2018, 07:33:57 pm
The story that is missing:

"In midterm elections, the President's party usually loses seats."

Therefore if Republicans lose, t is normal, to be expected.

In not a negative reflection on Trump."

Thid missing story parallels the absence of positive coverage of the Republican President, for over 3 years.


"Republicans, the Emancipation, Suffrage and Civil Rights Party, btw."

I know, I know. Not all Republicans are Conservatives. But (nearly) all Conservatives are Republicans
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: ArneFufkin on August 09, 2018, 07:35:26 pm
"Cook says Dems out-performing in special elections by 8 percent
cook-says-dems-out-performing-in-special-elections-by-8-percent"

What he means is Dems are showing up in special elections by a number they have not before.  That means they are interested NOW; that also means more of them will show up in November than ever before.  Add independents who vote from emotion, and they don't like the bombast Trump, so will also show up in November to vote against him, which is vote for Democrats.  This is an educated guess that it could happen this way and it is also what Luntz means, but no one knows until it actually happens.

Yes, but special elections have been getting around 50-55% of the turnout that Presidential year elections get in those districts. 

Do you think there is any meaningful number of Democrats who are virulently anti-Trump who stayed home during these special elections yet will swarm to the polls in November?   It seems to me these lunatics could not wait to make their statement.  People who don't like Trump were motivated to cast a vote against him.

I think it's more likely that it will be a swarm of independents, GOP regulars and Trump Democrats who'll comprise the voters who ignored or bypassed the Special Election but will vote this November.   This Ohio election, in particular, is really a three month term until the November election.   It really had little policy implication one way or the other so some folks, enjoying the summer vacations and life's activities, just blew it off.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Free Vulcan on August 09, 2018, 07:37:38 pm
With so many hit pieces from the MSM focusing on GOP disasters I am now inclined to declare B.S. and look forward to a red tidal wave like never seen before!  :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

Truly. How many times have we seen this? After a point it sounds more like they are trying to depress GOP turnout than chronicling Dem enthusiasm.

Been watching RealClearPolitics, the body of polls are starting to look good for the GOP.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: truth_seeker on August 09, 2018, 07:40:22 pm
A more sober analysis:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/08/08/gops_special_election_wins_counter_media_spin_137760.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/08/08/gops_special_election_wins_counter_media_spin_137760.html)

Thanks for the virtually nonexistent counter-balance to the continuous drumbeat of Anti-Trump "news" delivery here at the Hub.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: DCPatriot on August 09, 2018, 07:42:16 pm
Thanks for the virtually nonexistent counter-balance to the continuous drumbeat of Anti-Trump "news" delivery here at the Hub.

 happy77
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: INVAR on August 09, 2018, 07:46:51 pm
A Chicagoland joke seems fitting here:

What street names rhyme with vagina?





Melvina

Paulina





And Luntz
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Absalom on August 09, 2018, 08:25:35 pm
The fundamental problem is that any entity divided against itself,
simply will not stand. Examples are many but the GOP stands out.
The R establishment, which includes funkys such as Luntz,
was and remains viscerally opposed to Trump.
One or both will collapse in time; the reality of history.
And all the verbal abuse available to Man will not change that reality.
 
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: libertybele on August 09, 2018, 08:46:20 pm
The fundamental problem is that any entity divided against itself,
simply will not stand. Examples are many but the GOP stands out.
The R establishment, which includes funkys such as Luntz,
was and remains viscerally opposed to Trump.
One or both will collapse in time; the reality of history.
And all the verbal abuse available to Man will not change that reality.
 

Welcome to the Briefing Room.   :patriot:
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: INVAR on August 09, 2018, 09:25:39 pm
The fundamental problem is that any entity divided against itself,
simply will not stand.

That goes especially for an entire country itself.

Not just a political party.

And we are irreconcilably divided to the verge of no longer being able to peaceably coexist in the same country together.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Absalom on August 09, 2018, 09:28:57 pm
That goes especially for an entire country itself.

Not just a political party.

And we are irreconcilably divided to the verge of no longer being able to peaceably coexist in the same country together.
----------------
Fair comment.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 09, 2018, 10:31:21 pm
Add independents who vote from emotion, and they don't like the bombast Trump, so will also show up in November to vote against him, which is vote for Democrats.

With all due respect @Victoria33 this is bullshit.  Independents and Reagan Democrats put Donald Trump in the White House --- and they did so knowing exactly who he is.  They are not going to abandon him or his agenda now.  Sorry, you are just plain wrong.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Blizzardnh on August 09, 2018, 10:48:21 pm
happy77
happy77 happy77 happy77 :patriot:
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Frank Cannon on August 09, 2018, 10:53:24 pm
(https://d3j0sq6zklqdqq.cloudfront.net/photos/2016/09/12/53-36793-johnwayne-1473700449.jpg)
Frank Luntz at a recent political symposium.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 09, 2018, 11:07:25 pm
Truly. How many times have we seen this? After a point it sounds more like they are trying to depress GOP turnout than chronicling Dem enthusiasm.

Been watching RealClearPolitics, the body of polls are starting to look good for the GOP.

Of course they're trying to depress GOP turnout.  It's all they've got.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: libertybele on August 10, 2018, 12:16:18 pm
Of course they're trying to depress GOP turnout.  It's all they've got.

That and voter fraud; illegals and dead people.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Victoria33 on August 10, 2018, 12:58:20 pm
@INVAR

When my husband was the Republican County Chairman, he went to the graveyard and put up a sign, "EARLY VOTING STARTS (AND PUT THE DATE)"

The other thing he did was put a sign out in front of our Republican office that read, "Due to Heavy Turnout Republicans Will Vote on Tuesday; Democrats Will Vote on Wednesday"

The Democrat Chairman thought it was real and went across the street to the courthouse and demanded to know why the date was changed for them.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2018, 01:00:04 pm
Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
By Aris Folley - 08/09/18 09:49 AM EDT

Republican pollster Frank Luntz said the GOP is heading towards a “potential political disaster” in the November midterm elections.

Speaking to The Associated Press, Luntz said that while the president energizes his party’s base, he anticipates Trump’s distractions and rhetoric could deter swing voters in battleground elections in House districts.

“This is political malpractice,” he told the news agency in a report published on Wednesday.

“You can’t find me a time in modern times when the economy was this strong and the governing party was headed toward a potential political disaster like this,” Luntz continued.

more
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/401051-frank-luntz-gop-facing-potential-political-disaster-in-midterms (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/401051-frank-luntz-gop-facing-potential-political-disaster-in-midterms)

Lawdy,lawdy! De sky is fallin! De sky is fallin!

The only hope left is to dump Trump from the ticket in order to make the world safe for RINO's and other globalist scum!

Aren't these the same people that scoffed at Trump beating Bubbette! to start with?

Gee,if I didn't know better,I might suspect they have a personal interest in seeing Trump lose. </S>
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: INVAR on August 10, 2018, 01:01:50 pm

When my husband was the Republican County Chairman, he went to the graveyard and put up a sign, "EARLY VOTING STARTS (AND PUT THE DATE)"

It's the Cook County Way.

And don't you dare ask why Democrat and union officials can take the ballot boxes into a closed room without any Republican Judges going in there with them after the polls close.

You'll find that your Republican boss will tell you to be quiet about it - because that 'is how things are done'.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2018, 01:02:57 pm
Of course they're trying to depress GOP turnout.  It's all they've got.

@Right_in_Virginia

They are more likely to suppress the Dim vote as Dim voters,who aren't known to be very bright to start with,start assuming Trump and his supporters have no chance of winning,so they might as well break the seal on another quart of Colt 45 and fire up the bong instead of doing all that hard getting dressed and going to the polls stuff.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Victoria33 on August 10, 2018, 01:19:33 pm
It's the Cook County Way.
And don't you dare ask why Democrat and union officials can take the ballot boxes into a closed room without any Republican Judges going in there with them after the polls close. You'll find that your Republican boss will tell you to be quiet about it - because that 'is how things are done'.
@INVAR

That can't happen in Texas because I wrote a law, passed unanimously by the Texas Legislature, that determines who can be in central counting on election night and it details what each person does.  Each party is represented equally.  Before I wrote that law, the Election Administrator, could keep out the opposing party from central counting.  That was happening in our country, the Republicans couldn't go in, so I wrote that law.  When our Democrat county clerk who was in charge of elections, read in the local paper that law had passed, she threw the paper across the room and said every county clerk in Texas hated me.  When I was told that, I said, "I don't care."
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: libertybele on August 10, 2018, 01:22:21 pm
It's the Cook County Way.

And don't you dare ask why Democrat and union officials can take the ballot boxes into a closed room without any Republican Judges going in there with them after the polls close.

You'll find that your Republican boss will tell you to be quiet about it - because that 'is how things are done'.

That's why it's important, if one is so inclined to do so to become a precinct captain.  There are rules and then there are 'rules'.  Sad but true in some cases.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: INVAR on August 10, 2018, 01:27:01 pm
That's why it's important, if one is so inclined to do so to become a precinct captain.  There are rules and then there are 'rules'.  Sad but true in some cases.

The dead on voter rolls casting votes is old school.

One year it was learned (okay... rumored because that is all you have when it comes to 'evidence' up there) that an entire elementary school's registered children had voted in an election.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: libertybele on August 10, 2018, 01:33:15 pm
The dead on voter rolls casting votes is old school.

One year it was learned (okay... rumored because that is all you have when it comes to 'evidence' up there) that an entire elementary school's registered children had voted in an election.

Instances of voter fraud happens throughout the country.  Becoming a precinct captain in your area is helpful as is becoming a poll watcher.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: DCPatriot on August 10, 2018, 01:38:39 pm
The dead on voter rolls casting votes is old school.

One year it was learned (okay... rumored because that is all you have when it comes to 'evidence' up there) that an entire elementary school's registered children had voted in an election.

Not disagreeing here, @INVAR

"Registered children"?   What does that mean?

Wouldn't a better description be 'enrolled student body'?   Otherwise, it infers the students actually registered themselves on the voter rolls en masse.  ...which wouldn't surprise me, either.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: INVAR on August 10, 2018, 02:31:56 pm
Not disagreeing here, @INVAR

"Registered children"?   What does that mean?

Wouldn't a better description be 'enrolled student body'?   Otherwise, it infers the students actually registered themselves on the voter rolls en masse.  ...which wouldn't surprise me, either.

Up there 'registered' means 'enrolled'.

It also means 'voted'.

So does the word 'Dead' and 'phone book'.  Also means 'voted' - in the past tense.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 10, 2018, 05:35:56 pm
@INVAR

That can't happen in Texas because I wrote a law, passed unanimously by the Texas Legislature, that determines who can be in central counting on election night and it details what each person does. 

You wrote the law @Victoria33   What position did you hold and what year was this?
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Absalom on August 10, 2018, 06:11:27 pm
With all due respect @Victoria33 this is bullshit.  Independents and Reagan Democrats put Donald Trump in the White House --- and they did so knowing exactly who he is.  They are not going to abandon him or his agenda now.  Sorry, you are just plain wrong.
------------------------------------------
So anyone who expresses an opinion you don't like,
is a wrongheaded bullshitter. Hmm...............
As for those who actually knew Trump, one stands out;
Mary Ann McLeod, a Scottish immigrant and domestic
servant, who married Fred Trump and became his mother.
When he was 13 she sent him to military school,
describing him as "incorrigible" in the family biography.
Now he's an aging 72 and apparently little has changed.
Suggest you try a book from time to time!!!
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 10, 2018, 06:45:42 pm
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So anyone who expresses an opinion you don't like, is a wrongheaded bullshitter. Hmm...............As for those who actually knew Trump, one stands out;Mary Ann McLeod, a Scottish immigrant and domestic servant, who married Fred Trump and became his mother.When he was 13 she sent him to military school,describing him as "incorrigible" in the family biography.Now he's an aging 72 and apparently little has changed.
Suggest you try a book from time to time!!!

Why are you babbling so early in the day @Absalom ??  Effects of medication?  Or maybe you need to stop and eat such lunch   :pondering:

Whatever ... I just hope you figure out why soon.   :beer:


Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: aligncare on August 10, 2018, 07:40:05 pm
Why are you babbling so early in the day @Absalom ??  Effects of medication?  Or maybe you need to stop and eat such lunch   :pondering:

Whatever ... I just hope you figure out why soon.   :beer:

Yeah, that was a bizarre post. Sorta came outta nowhere. Could make some sense if it were motivated by TDS, I suppose.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Night Hides Not on August 10, 2018, 07:45:53 pm
Why are you babbling so early in the day @Absalom ??  Effects of medication?  Or maybe you need to stop and eat such lunch   :pondering:

Whatever ... I just hope you figure out why soon.   :beer:

Another snarky ad hominem attack leveled by @Right_in_Virginia , just like her Dear Leader.

"Eat such lunch"? You know, there is a preview tab to edit your writings before hitting the dreaded post button. That's ok, I'll bet Dear Leader doesn't preview his tweets before sending them out.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Night Hides Not on August 10, 2018, 07:47:41 pm
Yeah, that was a bizarre post. Sorta came outta nowhere. Could make some sense if it were motivated by TDS, I suppose.

I've discovered that I don't suffer from TDS, but I do have a "low-T" count, as in "zero trust in Trump."   :rolling:
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: truth_seeker on August 10, 2018, 08:12:24 pm
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So anyone who expresses an opinion you don't like,
is a wrongheaded bullshitter. Hmm...............
As for those who actually knew Trump, one stands out;
Mary Ann McLeod, a Scottish immigrant and domestic
servant, who married Fred Trump and became his mother.
When he was 13 she sent him to military school,
describing him as "incorrigible" in the family biography.
Now he's an aging 72 and apparently little has changed.
Suggest you try a book from time to time!!!

Is that your best Trump-Negative attempt? "Incorrigible?"

The term brings to MY mind, personalities like Gen. George Patton.

Agressive Leaders, risk takers. Winners. Big Idea people. Doers.

Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: corbe on August 10, 2018, 09:27:13 pm
    Hey @Absalom you're obviously over the target, hope you have some bomb left.


(http://img08.deviantart.net/563d/i/2013/025/d/7/heavy_flak_over_leuna___1944_by_zulumike-d5son3c.jpg)
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Wingnut on August 10, 2018, 09:31:27 pm
    Hey @Absalom you're obviously over the target, hope you have some bomb left.


(http://img08.deviantart.net/563d/i/2013/025/d/7/heavy_flak_over_leuna___1944_by_zulumike-d5son3c.jpg)

HTH would you know corbe.  You haven't been near a target much less over it for months!   wink777
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Emjay on August 10, 2018, 09:36:42 pm
With all due respect @Victoria33 this is bullshit.  Independents and Reagan Democrats put Donald Trump in the White House --- and they did so knowing exactly who he is.  They are not going to abandon him or his agenda now.  Sorry, you are just plain wrong.

I don't get why anyone would think Trump voters would abandon him.  Every time I read a negative MSM lie about Trump, it just makes me want to support him more.

I actually think more people are for Trump now because he's performed better as President than anyone could have hoped, well, than I could have hoped.  I wasn't even for him until he was elected and then I was so grateful that Hillary was defeated, I liked him for that.

And now I like him for his attitude and the things he has done and tried to do.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Emjay on August 10, 2018, 09:38:18 pm
------------------------------------------
So anyone who expresses an opinion you don't like,
is a wrongheaded bullshitter. Hmm...............
As for those who actually knew Trump, one stands out;
Mary Ann McLeod, a Scottish immigrant and domestic
servant, who married Fred Trump and became his mother.
When he was 13 she sent him to military school,
describing him as "incorrigible" in the family biography.
Now he's an aging 72 and apparently little has changed.
Suggest you try a book from time to time!!!

You expressed an opinion @Absalom   Wow!  Thought you were just ranting.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: corbe on August 10, 2018, 09:49:18 pm
   Good Points @Emjay, His base is constantly fed and Fat & Happy (rhetorically), IMHO he needs to expand that, the sooner the better, stop the 'Stupid' Tweets about Lebron and such could go a long way. 
   
   My barometer is my Pro-Trump Family and though still solidly on the Train Train there is a hint of disappointment at the results, so far.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Emjay on August 10, 2018, 09:51:47 pm
    Hey @Absalom you're obviously over the target, hope you have some bomb left.


(http://img08.deviantart.net/563d/i/2013/025/d/7/heavy_flak_over_leuna___1944_by_zulumike-d5son3c.jpg)

Hey @corbe   why would you come on and support someone who insulted many of us.

Apparently, he's only recently learned to read himself because the Military school story was widely known during the election and apparently didn't deter many people.

I'm gonna say that Nurse lady did not know how to handle a strong-willed child and made a sissy move.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2018, 09:56:03 pm
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I don't get why anyone would think Trump voters would abandon him.


@Emjay

It's called whistling with desperation and fear,like when walking past a graveyard late at night.

 Telling them the RINO's are out of power and likely to stay out of power is like telling a 4 year old that Santa died.

After all,what are life-long Party People to do when the Party ends?
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: corbe on August 10, 2018, 10:18:37 pm
 
Hey @corbe   why would you come on and support someone who insulted many of us.

Apparently, he's only recently learned to read himself because the Military school story was widely known during the election and apparently didn't deter many people.

I'm gonna say that Nurse lady did not know how to handle a strong-willed child and made a sissy move.


   You made me go back and reread his post @Emjay, I still don't believe he insulted anyone, except maybe Trump with the Cadet stuff, and yes we all already knew that, even those among us who never read the friggin articles anyway.


   PS:  He gets automatic 'Brownie Points' with me if you call out @Right_in_Virginia on some BS.

 happy77
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: INVAR on August 10, 2018, 10:24:16 pm

Agressive Leaders, risk takers. Winners. Big Idea people. Doers.

Agressive Leaders, risk takers, 'winners', Big Idea people, Doers - are not always a good thing when they are detached from decency, void of character and unhinged from morality.

Aggressive Leaders and the big idea people brought about the Autobahn and the Italian train system running on time.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Emjay on August 10, 2018, 10:34:28 pm


   You made me go back and reread his post @Emjay, I still don't believe he insulted anyone, except maybe Trump with the Cadet stuff, and yes we all already knew that, even those among us who never read the friggin articles anyway.


   PS:  He gets automatic 'Brownie Points' with me if you call out @Right_in_Virginia on some BS.

 happy77

He said 'learn to read' and that was an insult.  It's an extremely cheap shot to call out @Right_in_Virginia ... everyone does it and she is right more often than she is wrong.

I can't say that for a lot of people here.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: corbe on August 10, 2018, 10:41:02 pm
   I would be the first to admit RiV's and her loyal band of second lieutenants importance here.  Without them I would miss all pro Trump stuff, they force me to at least acknowledge that it's real and it's Bigly.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 10, 2018, 10:41:15 pm
Another snarky ad hominem attack leveled by @Right_in_Virginia , just like her Dear Leader.

Get over yourself @Night Hides Not  You're perilously close to sounding like a snowflake.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 10, 2018, 10:42:44 pm
    PS:  He gets automatic 'Brownie Points' with me if you call out @Right_in_Virginia on some BS.

What a dull, small life you must live @corbe   Sad.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 10, 2018, 10:43:26 pm
He said 'learn to read' and that was an insult.  It's an extremely cheap shot to call out @Right_in_Virginia ... everyone does it and she is right more often than she is wrong.

I can't say that for a lot of people here.

Thank you @Emjay  :beer:
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Emjay on August 10, 2018, 10:45:15 pm
   I would be the first to admit RiV's and her loyal band of second lieutenants importance here.  Without them I would miss all pro Trump stuff, they force me to at least acknowledge that it's real and it's Bigly.

I gotta say @corbe , you've gone from friendly and amusing to just plain mean.  That 'loyal band of second lieutenants' was beyond tacky.

A lot of people agree with RIV without sharing her devotion to Trump.

Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: corbe on August 10, 2018, 10:53:49 pm
      The night's still young and I have you calling me 'mean' and @Right_in_Virginia telling me I'm a small little man without a life. 
      I will refrain from posting my orange lips, ahhhh, screw it.

                 (https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d2/57/24/d25724b01bf4eb26a6f4234550bc0771--orange-orange-orange-crush.jpg)

   @Emjay
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: MOD8 on August 10, 2018, 10:57:14 pm
Get this thread back on track it is worthy of discussion.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Emjay on August 10, 2018, 10:58:48 pm
      The night's still young and I have you calling me 'mean' and @Right_in_Virginia telling me I'm a small little man without a life. 
      I will refrain from posting my orange lips, ahhhh, screw it.

                 (https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d2/57/24/d25724b01bf4eb26a6f4234550bc0771--orange-orange-orange-crush.jpg)

   @Emjay

Look @corbe  I've always had a soft spot for you and it's still there but getting a little hard lately.

I don't like it because you always jump aboard to support some nasty Never Trumper. 

I don't think you are like them but I think you sometimes want to be like them.

Maybe Sunday dinners are getting a little hard to bear and if you take it out on us instead of your family, I give you points for that.  Never lose friends or family over politics.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: corbe on August 10, 2018, 10:59:52 pm
    I apologize to all whom I have offended in the last 10 years.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Wingnut on August 10, 2018, 11:03:14 pm
    I apologize to all whom I have offended in the last 10 minutes.

Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Emjay on August 10, 2018, 11:05:11 pm
    I apologize to all whom I have offended in the last 10 years.

Did you rent out Giant stadium for that?

Seriously, babe, that did not sound sincere.  I wouldn't bother with you if I didn't like you.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: corbe on August 10, 2018, 11:24:33 pm
Look @corbe  I've always had a soft spot for you and it's still there but getting a little hard lately.

I don't like it because you always jump aboard to support some nasty Never Trumper. 

I don't think you are like them but I think you sometimes want to be like them.

Maybe Sunday dinners are getting a little hard to bear and if you take it out on us instead of your family, I give you points for that.  Never lose friends or family over politics.


   Honestly, @Emjay my family doesn't even call me on my birthday anymore, being a 'Nasty Never' and all.

   Granted I bring very little intelligent stimulating conversation to this place unless it's a Topic I know or care a lot about.  It's mostly off the wall BS images that pick on the sensitivities of you Trumpers.   I don't have half the problem with my President than I do his followers that can't believe he does ANYTHING wrong.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2018, 12:21:07 am
    I apologize to all whom I have offended in the last 10 years.

@corbe

And in the spirit of detente,I apologize to all I have offended in the last 10 seconds.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Victoria33 on August 11, 2018, 12:44:39 am
You wrote the law @Victoria33   What position did you hold and what year was this?
@Right_in_Virginia
@mystery-ak
@CatherineofAragon
@INVAR
@BassWrangler

I was the Secretary of the Republican Party of San Jacinto County, Texas
Our State Senator carried the bill through the Texas Senate and House.  It passed unanimously.  I don't think the Democrats read it since it was their party election directors, mainly county clerks at that time, in the counties keeping Republicans out of Central Counting.

TEXAS STATUTES  - ELECTION CODE

Sec. 127.005.  PRESIDING JUDGE OF COUNTING STATION.  (a)  The authority appointing the presiding judges to serve in an election shall appoint a presiding judge of each central counting station operating in the election.
(b)  Except as otherwise provided by this section, the eligibility requirements prescribed by this code for precinct presiding judges apply to a presiding judge of a central counting station.  To be eligible to serve as a judge under this section, a person must be a qualified voter of the political subdivision served by the authority adopting the voting system.  The general custodian of election records and employees of the custodian are eligible to serve as a judge under this section notwithstanding the custodian's status as a candidate or officeholder.
(c)  The presiding judge shall maintain order at the counting station and has the same authority as a precinct presiding judge in that respect and in the administration of oaths.  The presiding judge may confer with and advise the manager or tabulation supervisor on any activity at the counting station.
(d)  The presiding judge is entitled to compensation at the same rate as a precinct presiding judge, except that the counting station judge is entitled to a minimum compensation of five hours' pay regardless of the amount of time worked.
(e)  For an election in which election judges appointed under Section 32.002 serve, the presiding judge and an alternate presiding judge shall be appointed for each central counting station operating in the election in the same manner as a presiding judge and alternate presiding judge under Section 32.002.
(f)  An alternate presiding judge appointed under Subsection (e) serves:
(1)  as presiding judge for the counting station if the regularly appointed presiding judge cannot serve;  or
(2)  in another position established under this subchapter.

Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 967, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 2003.
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By Marcella:  Section 32.002, provides for the presiding judge to be of the party whose gubernatorial candidate won the majority of the votes of the county.  The alternate judge is to be of the opposite party.

Before I wrote this law, there was no judge or alternate judge in Central Counting and the county clerk or election administrator could keep the opposing party out of central counting.  We had a Democrat clerk and she kept Republicans out of central counting – only Democrats allowed in Central Counting.  Now, every county in Texas must follow this law that is fair to both parties.

I also, for the State Republican Party, taught Texas Election Law to lawyers, Republican County Chairs, Election Judges/Clerks, in numerous Texas counties.  If one is going to play the election game, one needs to know the rules and the Texas Election Code contains the rules.  I used law to bring about fair central counting rules.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Emjay on August 11, 2018, 01:30:28 am

   Honestly, @Emjay my family doesn't even call me on my birthday anymore, being a 'Nasty Never' and all.

   Granted I bring very little intelligent stimulating conversation to this place unless it's a Topic I know or care a lot about.  It's mostly off the wall BS images that pick on the sensitivities of you Trumpers.   I don't have half the problem with my President than I do his followers that can't believe he does ANYTHING wrong.

Bless your heart, @corbe
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: corbe on August 11, 2018, 01:40:39 am
Bless your heart, @corbe


   Did I detect a hint of sarcasm there, @Emjay?
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Night Hides Not on August 11, 2018, 01:45:45 am
Get over yourself @Night Hides Not  You're perilously close to sounding like a snowflake.

If I sound like a snowflake to you, then you must be deaf as hell.

You're a typical armchair general REMF in the Orange Brigades.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Night Hides Not on August 11, 2018, 01:48:35 am
   I would be the first to admit RiV's and her loyal band of second lieutenants importance here.  Without them I would miss all pro Trump stuff, they force me to at least acknowledge that it's real and it's Bigly.

Here's an idea: give that loyal band of second lieutenants a map, and they'll never be heard from again.  :rolling:
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 11, 2018, 03:05:48 pm
If I sound like a snowflake to you, then you must be deaf as hell.

Nope.  My hearing's perfect.  And yes, you're sounding more and more like a snowflake @Night Hides Not
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 11, 2018, 03:23:26 pm
Here's an idea: give that loyal band of second lieutenants a map, and they'll never be heard from again.  :rolling:

Here's your sign .....

(https://i.gifer.com/5k8H.gif)
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: jpsb on August 11, 2018, 03:31:50 pm
What a dull, small life you must live @corbe   Sad.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: corbe on August 11, 2018, 05:20:10 pm
   Et Tu, @jpsb?  It's you Trumpers that keep me from achieving one of my few remaining Life Goals, be a Moderator on TBR.  Myst told me back in March I was too polarizing I responded as opposed to what, she never answered me.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: Absalom on August 11, 2018, 09:13:39 pm
    Hey @Absalom you're obviously over the target, hope you have some bomb left.
(http://img08.deviantart.net/563d/i/2013/025/d/7/heavy_flak_over_leuna___1944_by_zulumike-d5son3c.jpg)
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Respectfully, Corbe, after expressing an opinion, I move on;
having no interest in a pointless urinary contest fed by rage.
Title: Re: Frank Luntz: GOP facing ‘potential political disaster’ in midterms
Post by: DCPatriot on August 11, 2018, 09:19:22 pm
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Respectfully, Corbe, after expressing an opinion, I move on;
having no interest in a pointless urinary contest fed by rage.

@Absalom

Had I registered at TBR the time you did, would've said the same thing.

All tuckered out trying to reason with them.

Thankfully, it's evolved into a live and let live mentality.   :laugh: