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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on October 11, 2016, 06:41:54 pm
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October 11, 2016, 02:19 pm
Poll: Clinton has 9-point lead over Trump
By Rebecca Savransky
Hillary Clinton has a 9-point lead over Donald Trump nationally, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
Clinton (D) is favored by 46 percent of likely voters, and Trump (R) is backed by 37 percent.
Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson has the support of 8 percent of likely voters, and Green Party nominee Jill Stein is backed by 2 percent.
In a head-to-head matchup, Clinton's lead over Trump widens to 10 points, 50 percent to 40 percent.
The poll was conducted Oct. 8–10 and includes data from interviews conducted after the presidential debate on Sunday.
Among only those voters contacted after Sunday night's debate, the Democratic nominee's lead over Trump dropped to 7 points in both four-way and head-to-head matchups.
The poll also found more support for Trump among Republicans following the debate.
Nearly three-quarters of Republicans polled after the debate said the GOP House and Senate candidates should back Trump. Ahead of the debate, only 67 percent of voters said the same.
That number comes as GOP lawmakers and elected officials are abandoning the party nominee in droves, after audio emerged Friday of Trump making sexually obscene remarks about groping women. In the tape, Trump described how he could grope and kiss women without their consent because of his celebrity status.
Following the debate, fewer voters than before said the release of that 2005 tape should disqualify him from the race.
Thirty-six percent of likely voters asked after the debate said the tape is disqualifying and Trump should withdraw from the race; 47 percent disagreed.
Before the debate, 38 percent of likely voters said the tape is disqualifying and 42 percent disagreed.
The poll was conducted Oct. 8-10 among 806 likely voters. The margin of error is 3.5 percent.
A PRRI/The Atlantic national poll released Tuesday — which was conducted Oct. 5-7, before the second debate —showed Clinton with an 11-point lead, while Tuesday’s RealClearPolitics average of polls put Clinton up 6.5 points.
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It's over.
Can we save the Senate?
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It's over.
Can we save the Senate?
Why? They voted in sum for everything Obama demanded of consequence. Why save that? Does it matter if a Dem sells out America or a Pub? They are both left wing parties.
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They voted in sum for everything Obama demanded of consequence.
Idiot response. Senate does not vote for everything Obama demanded. The Senate will be the only stopping a USSC nominee.
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Idiot response. Senate does not vote for everything Obama demanded. The Senate will be the only stopping a USSC nominee.
For an idiot response it accurately reflects how Obama was able to pass all his major issues. Unless you failed Civics and think he got everything by his magic pen...the senate had to vote on them remember?
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For an idiot response it accurately reflects how Obama was able to pass all his major issues. Unless you failed Civics and think he got everything by his magic pen...the senate had to vote on them remember?
The last few Congress' are the least active in history. The idea that the Congress gives Obama everything he wants is laughably stupid.
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The last few Congress' are the least active in history. The idea that the Congress gives Obama everything he wants is laughably stupid.
Except it reflects the actual record. Look it up sometime.
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Except it reflects the actual record. Look it up sometime.
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Bhaner was deposed for governing in the Republicans/America's favor was he? Mitch didn't give away the store and cause the Cruz confrontation?
Maybe you were sick a couple years and missed it. The rest of us didn't.
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Bhaner was deposed for governing in the Republicans/America's favor was he? Mitch didn't give away the store and cause the Cruz confrontation?
Maybe you were sick a couple years and missed it. The rest of us didn't.
This is the kind of spoon fed pure stupidity fed to the base by the talk radio crowd, mostly from Rush but from others. I will not bother arguing with such a mindless, brainless adherent to true blue conservatism like you. My argument is above, COngress was among the least productive in history.
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This is the kind of spoon fed pure stupidity fed to the base by the talk radio crowd, mostly from Rush but from others. I will not bother arguing with such a mindless, brainless adherent to true blue conservatism like you. My argument is above, COngress was among the least productive in history.
How'd the debt get so high?
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Except it reflects the actual record. Look it up sometime.
Did Obama get his universal background checks? How about any gun control measures at all?
What about Merrick Garland? Is Merrick Garland on the Supreme Court?
What about these 500 bills? http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/republicans-legislation-obama-dccc-event-106481
The Republican Congress has blocked plenty of Obama legislation.
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For an idiot response it accurately reflects how Obama was able to pass all his major issues.
No, it does not.
1) Obama did not get his Clean Air Regs. Congress would not pass them, he tried to force it through via executive Action, and he was stymied in the Courts.
2) Obama could not get the immigration bill that he wanted. He was forced to resort to Executive Actions to which the courts again put a halt.
3) Obama could not get the amendments to the ACA that he wanted, including an increase of the subsidies. As a result, the exchanges are imploding.
4) Obama could not get his Supreme Court nominee approved. As a result, several important cases (including 1 and 2 above) that would have gone in his favor, did not.
5) Obama could not get his so-called "Employee Free Choice Act" through Congress. As a result, the NLRB tried to get it through administratively, and was shot down by the Courts.
That's global warming, immigration, the ACA, Supreme Court Justice, and labor law, all major issues on which he was stymied.
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Did Obama get his universal background checks? How about any gun control measures at all?
What about Merrick Garland? Is Merrick Garland on the Supreme Court?
What about these 500 bills? http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/republicans-legislation-obama-dccc-event-106481
The Republican Congress has blocked plenty of Obama legislation.
And don't forget Sequestration. If the GOP did not take the HOR, we would have seen a continuation of trillion dollar deficits under Pelosi
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Did Obama get his universal background checks? How about any gun control measures at all?
What about Merrick Garland? Is Merrick Garland on the Supreme Court?
What about these 500 bills? http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/republicans-legislation-obama-dccc-event-106481
The Republican Congress has blocked plenty of Obama legislation.
He got the debt to record levels. Ge got Iran funded. He got many of his military actions funded and the enemy armed. He got gay marriage with absolutely no interference or legislation to override the court even attempted. He got several shutdowns averted and Obamacare continually expanded. He got his immigration BS through without the GOP stopping him, had courts rule against and was not impeached.
Had you forgotten so soon?
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The last few Congress' are the least active in history. The idea that the Congress gives Obama everything he wants is laughably stupid.
Right. Because....in reality....the Boehner Congress gave Obama even MORE than he wanted. He didn't even have to ask.
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And don't forget Sequestration. If the GOP did not take the HOR, we would have seen a continuation of trillion dollar deficits under Pelosi
And you think their creative chair shuffling eliminated that? Why are we at record debt?
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He got the debt to record levels. Ge got Iran funded. He got many of his military actions funded and the enemy armed. He got gay marriage with absolutely no interference or legislation to override the court even attempted. He got several shutdowns averted and Obamacare continually expanded. He got his immigration BS through without the GOP stopping him, had courts rule against and was not impeached.
Had you forgotten so soon?
You've completely moved the goalposts. You've morphed from "he got all his major issues through" to "they didn't stop all his major issues". The latter is something on which you'd have gotten no disagreement, the former defies reality.
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Right. Because....in reality....the Boehner Congress gave Obama even MORE than he wanted. He didn't even have to ask.
Thats what the record shows. Seems people are so scared to lose more liberals they can't admit it.
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LA Times poll which predicted the margin of victory last time, showing Trump still leading:
http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/
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You've completely move the goalposts. You've morphed from "he got all his major issues through" to "they didn't stop all his major issues". The latter is something on which you'd have gotten no disagreement, the former defies reality.
Again, anything you twist is of no importance to me. Better that you stick to the trump excuse threads where you can fail in good company.
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And you think their creative chair shuffling eliminated that? Why are we at record debt?
Because we are overspending. We need way more cuts than Sequestration but it was a good start.
Sadly deficits are on the rise again so it was "good" while it lasted
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Because we are overspending. We need way more cuts than Sequestration but it was a good start.
Sadly deficits are on the rise again so it was "good" while it lasted
And where do you suppose barry got the money to spend? Perhaps the House and Senate? They DID have to authorize it...
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He got the debt to record levels. Ge got Iran funded. He got many of his military actions funded and the enemy armed. He got gay marriage with absolutely no interference or legislation to override the court even attempted. He got several shutdowns averted and Obamacare continually expanded. He got his immigration BS through without the GOP stopping him, had courts rule against and was not impeached.
Had you forgotten so soon?
You have just revealed you don't know how Congress works.
Gay marriage? How does one "stop" gay marriage when the Democrats in the Senate could filibuster it? And it takes a Constitutional Amendment to override a Supreme Court decision. Try getting 2/3 of the House to agree to that.
Obamacare was expanded by executive action. Again, the GOP Congress did its best to get OCare repealed, but, of course, there's that filibuster again.
As for the rest, I never figured you for a conspirazoid. Just what exactly would Obama have been impeached for?
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Right. Because....in reality....the Boehner Congress gave Obama even MORE than he wanted. He didn't even have to ask.
Wrong. Dead wrong.
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Again, anything you twist is of no importance to me. Better that you stick to the trump excuse threads where you can fail in good company.
You were presented with five major issues on which Congress stymied Obama, including some where his attempted work-arounds were shot down by the Supreme Court. Rather than addressing them, you just punt with his ad hominem.
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Clinton has 9-point lead over Trump
Oh good. The Fake poll which said it was an 11 point lead has now been replaced by another fake poll that has dropped to 9.
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You have just revealed you don't know how Congress works.
Gay marriage? How does one "stop" gay marriage when the Democrats in the Senate could filibuster it? And it takes a Constitutional Amendment to override a Supreme Court decision. Try getting 2/3 of the House to agree to that.
Obamacare was expanded by executive action. Again, the GOP Congress did its best to get OCare repealed, but, of course, there's that filibuster again.
As for the rest, I never figured you for a conspirazoid. Just what exactly would Obama have been impeached for?
Are you serious? He defied a federal judge's order. You think that warrants a game of chess?
And you really need to reread my statement on GM because clearly you didn't.
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LA Times poll which predicted the margin of victory last time, showing Trump still leading:
http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/
The LA Times poll is using a completely different methodology this cycle so to compare it to 2012 is disingenuous.
When a poll is completely out of sync with all the others, it's what's called an outlier. The LATimes poll has been an outlier this entire general election cycle.
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You were presented with five major issues on which Congress stymied Obama, including some where his attempted work-arounds were shot down by the Supreme Court. Rather than addressing them, you just punt with his ad hominem.
When you get around to the numerous issues I have presented you with you ducked over the last couple months, I'll consider answering yours. Not until.
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Idiot response. Senate does not vote for everything Obama demanded. The Senate will be the only stopping a USSC nominee.
That is incredibly naive. Republican Senators always fall over backward in rushing to support Democrat President Supreme Court nominees. The only reason they held it off this year is the fear of potential punishment at the hands of voters who would be furious with them if they did what they usually do.
After November, If Hillary wins, they are going to rush through a vote on Obama's nominees.
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That is incredibly naive. Republican Senators always fall over backward in rushing to support Democrat President Supreme Court nominees. The only reason they held it off this year is the fear of potential punishment at the hands of voters who would be furious with them if they did what they usually do.
After November, If Hillary wins, they are going to rush through a vote on Obama's nominees.
Well under certain circumstances they will have to. If they lose the Senate the guy Obama put up is far milder than what HIllary & Dem Senate may come up with.
This is called politics and sometimes you have to punt.
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Are you serious? He defied a federal judge's order. You think that warrants a game of chess?
And you really need to reread my statement on GM because clearly you didn't.
Obama did not defy any judge's order.
Some people here are so wedded to the idea that the GOP Congress gave Obama everything he wanted that they refuse to see reality.
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Obama did not defy any judge's order.
Some people here are so wedded to the idea that the GOP Congress gave Obama everything he wanted that they refuse to see reality.
Sink, until you get a little reading done, you should stop now. You can start with how many times he refused to comply with congressional subpeonas up to and including a judge giving him IIRC 2 weeks to comply with a judges order. Which he did not. You can search on Immigration, IRS, Bhenghazi for starters.
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When you get around to the numerous issues I have presented you with you ducked over the last couple months, I'll consider answering yours. Not until.
Oh, I don't care if you answer my posts. I simply enjoy pointing out where you are wrong. So to reiterate, you said:
Why? They voted in sum for everything Obama demanded of consequence.
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For an idiot response it accurately reflects how Obama was able to pass all his major issues.
It has since been pointed out multiple times, by various posters, that Obama did not get everything major that he wanted, but was in fact stymied on some major issues. Those issues have been listed, and you've ducked them all.
And in terms of the numerous issues you've presented me with that I've ducked, you're going to have to refresh my recollection. I never do that intentionally, and if anything slipped, it was only because I didn't post at all for an extended period.
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Well under certain circumstances they will have to. If they lose the Senate the guy Obama put up is far milder than what HIllary & Dem Senate may come up with.
This is called politics and sometimes you have to punt.
Hey, wait! Aren't most people around here opposed to pragmatism?
You are making too much sense. Stop it! Stop it now!
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Oh, I don't care if you answer my posts. I simply enjoy pointing out where you are wrong. So to reiterate, you said:
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It has since been pointed out multiple times, by various posters, that Obama did not get everything major that he wanted, but was in fact stymied on some major issues. Those issues have been listed, and you've ducked them all.
And in terms of the numerous issues you've presented me with that I've ducked, you're going to have to refresh my recollection. I never do that intentionally, and if anything slipped, it was only because I didn't post at all for an extended period.
Those are todays issues. Go back 2 months and start there.
If you didn't notice, you're being blown off out of a complete lack of respect for you or anything you have to say. Do both of us a favor. Take the hint and we;ll both be better people for it.
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That is incredibly naive. Republican Senators always fall over backward in rushing to support Democrat President Supreme Court nominees.
Too true.
The only reason they held it off this year is the fear of potential punishment at the hands of voters who would be furious with them if they did what they usually do.
Well, yes...but regardless of the reason, isn't that still a pretty big plus over the alternative?
After November, If Hillary wins, they are going to rush through a vote on Obama's nominees.
Only because Garland is likely better than whom Hillary might nominate. And there just aren't enough hardcore votes in the Senate to deny a newly elected President her choice. But it's not the fault of the Senate that the Trump looks to be squandering the opportunity the Senate would have given him to appoint his own justice.
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Those are todays issues. Go back 2 months and start there.
Eh? Each of the issues I listed were Congressional rejections that were more than 2 months back....
If you didn't notice, you're being blown off out of a complete lack of respect for you or anything you have to say. Do both of us a favor. Take the hint and we;ll both be better people for it.
Actually, I'm not. You're still answering. And even if you stopped, others might be amused/interested in my witty repartee.
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Well under certain circumstances they will have to. If they lose the Senate the guy Obama put up is far milder than what HIllary & Dem Senate may come up with.
This is called politics and sometimes you have to punt.
PTL!
Truth is, there are way too many squishy moderates in Congress, so any hard-line attempt to defund the government was doomed to fail. If that happened, then those conservatives who did push for defunding would be pilloried by a compliant leftist press for engaging in political stunts that accomplished nothing. We accomplish nothing of note, and lose seats.
Nothing wrong with limiting the battles you fight to ones you think you can win.
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That is incredibly naive. Republican Senators always fall over backward in rushing to support Democrat President Supreme Court nominees. The only reason they held it off this year is the fear of potential punishment at the hands of voters who would be furious with them if they did what they usually do.
After November, If Hillary wins, they are going to rush through a vote on Obama's nominees.
If Hillary wins, Obama will likely withdraw his nomination of Merrick, leaving the Senate with no one to confirm.
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Sink, until you get a little reading done, you should stop now. You can start with how many times he refused to comply with congressional subpeonas up to and including a judge giving him IIRC 2 weeks to comply with a judges order. Which he did not. You can search on Immigration, IRS, Bhenghazi for starters.
Which has exactly what to do with your original assertion?
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Nearly three-quarters of Republicans polled after the debate said the GOP House and Senate candidates should back Trump.
78% support among your own party in the general election is a death knell. You have no chance.