The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: ABX on June 21, 2016, 04:28:03 pm
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Just when it appeared that the movement to dump Donald Trump as the GOP presidential candidate was defeated, it looks like it has come roaring back.
And this time, it may have more momentum than ever.
As many as 1,000 delegates to the Republican National Convention may have interest in a new push to ditch Trump and allow delegates to choose another candidate......
https://thehornnews.com/anti-trump-delegates-plot-secret-coup/
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We shall see..
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I have no high hopes personally, but it would be great if it happened
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Betrayed! 1,000 delegates to ditch Trump?
Might as well say, 1,000 Hillary Clinton campaign workers.
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Otherwise known as people who feel the fire is a better place than the frying pan.
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Even if this did happen (and I certainly won't be holding my breath for that)....it won't or wouldn't help. In fact, it might even do more harm than good. I realize that these folks see it as a 'last ditch' and 'nothing else to lose' effort. But there is always something 'else' to lose, in reality. JS....
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Might as well say, 1,000 Hillary Clinton campaign workers.
1,000 conservative heroes.
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That'd be nice. Won't be holding my breath though.
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There comes a time at which even lemmings figure out that the guys up front have been following an idiot.
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After today's news, it seems more likely than before.
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Otherwise known as people who feel the fire is a better place than the frying pan.
More like people who want to avoid both the fire and the frying pan. There is a reason why the delegate process isn't just automated numbers on a spreadsheet. It is a last measure safety valve to prevent the nightmare like what we are getting into now.
This isn't exactly unprecedented. 7 times the Republican candidate for President was not the person who came into the convention with the most delegates. That isn't a small number considering there have only been 44 Presidents, so that is a decent percentage of times that safety valve has been activated.
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There really is nothing to lose, and everything to gain. If Trump's the nominee, Hillary's the next President.
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The system was set up for just this purpose in times exactly like this. Still, voters are uneducated about that and the way they feel will be their reality. I would like the opportunity to throw back at them the "if you do not vote for our candidate then you are voting for Hillary" line.
Wouldn't that be fun.
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This campaign malfeasance won't be the only news between now and the convention that will sink him. It will be clear by then to everyone why the delegates will be freed to vote their conscience.
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Betrayed? Don't think so. Someone posted this on TOS and the denial was frantic. Many people, however, said something like ... 'if they manage to do this, I will never vote again.' Or 'blood in the streets.'
So ... one can infer that even the TOSers are viewing this as a possibility and awaiting the consequences. Someone there pointed out that 1000 is only 40% (that is higher than I thought)
Every single day we learn something new about Trump ... none of it good.
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There comes a time at which even lemmings figure out that the guys up front have been following an idiot.
And even the dumbest lemmings realize that the cliff is not a good place to go off.
There is no downside to this attempt.
Trump is trending down from his already down position in regard to Hillary. Only the most desperate Trump lovers really believe he can beat her.
So what do we have to lose? Putting a clown out there to lose horribly. Or, at least trying to get a decent candidate who might have a chance.
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So what do we have to lose? Putting a clown out there to lose horribly. Or, at least trying to get a decent candidate who might have a chance.
I personally think the party can recover from Trump getting clobbered in the general election -- perhaps much more easily than it could recover from a Trump victory. I don't think the party will recover if it replaces Trump as the nominee, nor do I think it will even win in November.
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This article is bordering on pure misinformation.
From the article:
“Roughly 30 delegates from 15 states participated in a conference call Thursday night,” Yahoo! reported Monday. “Since then, however, [their] campaign appears to have picked up steam. A second conference call on Sunday night attracted an alleged 1,000 participants.”
Call #1: ~30 delegates. Not Trump delegates. Just delegates.
Call #2: an alleged 1,000 participants. A "participant" can be anyone listening on the phone/internet. Anyone. Clinton staff. Freepers. Honey bee keepers.
The headline makes the heavy implication that those 1,000 "participants" are ALL "delegates". But the article text doesn't make that distinction.
I don't want Trump to be the nominee. But I don't need to be lied to.
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This campaign malfeasance won't be the only news between now and the convention that will sink him. It will be clear by then to everyone why the delegates will be freed to vote their conscience.
He still has time to make several big outrageous remarks
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He still has time to make several big outrageous remarks
True -- but it will be much more than that. It's happening, people. Don't give up.
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This article is bordering on pure misinformation.
From the article:
Call #1: ~30 delegates. Not Trump delegates. Just delegates.
Call #2: an alleged 1,000 participants. A "participant" can be anyone listening on the phone/internet. Anyone. Clinton staff. Freepers. Honey bee keepers.
The headline makes the heavy implication that those 1,000 "participants" are ALL "delegates". But the article text doesn't make that distinction.
I don't want Trump to be the nominee. But I don't need to be lied to.
The key is who was invited to the call. From what I've seen on other articles about this, it wasn't farmers, freepers, and honey bee keepers who were invited to this call or even had the number to dial in. Those invited were delegates, alternates, and people of influence like precinct chairs.
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Might as well say, 1,000 Hillary Clinton campaign workers.
These are GOP delegates, not primary only Trump voters.
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These are GOP delegates, not primary only Trump voters.
People who have spent large parts of their lives and significant personal resources to get Republicans elected to public office -- from city councils to the Presidency. They're not about to let those efforts and their principles be tainted by the stench of Trump as the nominee.
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Might as well say, 1,000 Hillary Clinton campaign workers.
No, just one. Donald Trump.
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There really is nothing to lose, and everything to gain. If Trump's the nominee, Hillary's the next President.
Look at it this way. If it happened it would end any likelihood that there would be a Trump 2020 campaign.
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:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Mitt/JEB! **nononono*
I have to ask, who do you think they would replace him with that could win?
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:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Mitt/JEB! **nononono*
I have to ask, who do you think they would replace him with that could win?
A pet rock.
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:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Mitt/JEB! **nononono*
I have to ask, who do you think they would replace him with that could win?
Ted Cruz!
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If only....
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Might as well say, 1,000 Hillary Clinton campaign workers.
No... 1,000 concerned Americans who have the ability to forestall the coming train wreck that is the Trump nomination.
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:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Mitt/JEB! **nononono*
I have to ask, who do you think they would replace him with that could win?
With the exception of Jeb, John Kasich and Lindsey Graham, anyone else who stood as a candidate during the primary would be vastly better than Trump.
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:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Mitt/JEB! **nononono*
I have to ask, who do you think they would replace him with that could win?
Mitt or Jeb wouldn't have any delegates to represent them (OK, to be fair, Jeb has 4 delegates) at the convention. If, for example, enough delegates abstained on the first vote to prevent any candidate from reaching 1237 (no need for a rule change for this to happen), then on the second vote forward, the negotiations would take place among the existing delegates, which Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich are the other ones who have viable negotiation leverage. Both Cruz and Rubio did what Trump failed to do and make sure they established State campaign offices so they both have more 2nd vote delegates available than pledged on the first vote.
IF it gets to this, it will most likely be a race between Cruz and Rubio and I suspect a coalition will be built from that.
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:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Mitt/JEB! **nononono*
I have to ask, who do you think they would replace him with that could win?
If I had a good candidate to put forward, I would wait until the delegate vote to push him/her. Announcing now just gives too much time to vet and everybody has skeletons in their closet. If Trump can be eliminated a candidate will eventually be found just like when Boehner quit.
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I FULLY expect that the republicans will nominate a Republican in July rather than an imposter.
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:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Mitt/JEB! **nononono*
I have to ask, who do you think they would replace him with that could win?
You could make a decent case for almost any of the candidates that were running in the primaries, with some exceptions.
Some exceptions being:
Bush, a bit of an "oh no, not 3 times!" problem, being a Bush family member.
Graham, why bother, just go ahead and elect a Democrat.
Carson, not sure the Clintons wouldn't eat him alive, but he may have had a decent shot.
That guy, whose name escapes me (Gilmore?), that got something 14 votes?
Pataki may have been a tough sell.
The rest had a real shot at taking down Clinton, IMO.
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Look at it this way. If it happened it would end any likelihood that there would be a Trump 2020 campaign.
IMHO, it will be the end of elections in this country; our Republic won't survive.
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You could make a decent case for almost any of the candidates that were running in the primaries, with some exceptions.
Some exceptions being:
Bush, a bit of an "oh no, not 3 times!" problem, being a Bush family member.
Graham, why bother, just go ahead and elect a Democrat.
Carson, not sure the Clintons wouldn't eat him alive, but he may have had a decent shot.
That guy, whose name escapes me (Gilmore?), that got something 14 votes?
Pataki may have been a tough sell.
The rest had a real shot at taking down Clinton, IMO.
Absolutely. Cruz/Fiorina. You can't tell me that Carly with all of her 'spit fire' couldn't take down Hillary. She would have drawn the female vote and Cruz the Hispanic and conservative votes.
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Mitt or Jeb wouldn't have any delegates to represent them (OK, to be fair, Jeb has 4 delegates) at the convention. If, for example, enough delegates abstained on the first vote to prevent any candidate from reaching 1237 (no need for a rule change for this to happen), then on the second vote forward, the negotiations would take place among the existing delegates, which Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich are the other ones who have viable negotiation leverage. Both Cruz and Rubio did what Trump failed to do and make sure they established State campaign offices so they both have more 2nd vote delegates available than pledged on the first vote.
IF it gets to this, it will most likely be a race between Cruz and Rubio and I suspect a coalition will be built from that.
Now you're just being a tease. A Rubio/Cruz ticket would be interesting.
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Are we detecting a common theme here? People who know what's coming are sending you a message.
@sbauerAP
.@ScottWalker says he agrees with @SpeakerRyan that delegates to GOP convention should be free to vote their conscience
11:03 AM - 21 Jun 2016
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Absolutely. Cruz/Fiorina. You can't tell me that Carly with all of her 'spit fire' couldn't take down Hillary. She would have drawn the female vote and Cruz the Hispanic and conservative votes.
Cruz was my pick on Super Tuesday.
I'd go with that in a heartbeat.