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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: libertybele on October 28, 2015, 01:23:26 am
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This article is over a month old. I didn't see it before, but was really surprised by it. A guest worker program IMHO, takes jobs away from American citizens. Carson talks about turning off incentives and goodies; but I would think "come to America we'll give you a job" is pretty dang enticing...being rewarded for breaking the law is quite an incentive. Secondly, they register, they work here, then what? It's not like they are going to be asked to leave. The obvious next step to me would be granting them citizenship and voting rights. So ... I guess I'm trying to discern in the overall big picture what the difference is between a guest worker program and amnesty? Guest worker program I suppose sounds less drastic than all out amnesty, but eventually that would be the next step.
Ben Carson: Give Illegals Six Months to Register as Guest Workers
(CNSNews.com) - GOP presidential candidate Ben Carson told CBS’s “Face the Nation” on Sunday that his immigration plan would include giving illegal immigrants six months to register as guest workers.
“Those who are here, you know, we have to recognize that we can't just round them up, but we can give them an opportunity to register. I would give them a six-month period, and if they register and they have a pristine record, they haven't been causing problems, I would give them an opportunity to become guest workers, not citizens, not voting people, not people who get goodies,” said Carson.
“And I think that would be a fair way to do it. In terms of them becoming citizens later on down the road, if they have done things the right way, we, the American people, will decide what the criteria for that would be,” he added.
“I want to ask you for a moment about immigration, which, as you have said, that Donald Trump's plan for deporting those undocumented workers here is unrealistic, is it unrealistic because it's unfeasible, or is it -- do you have a moral problem with that notion of trying to deport all the undocumented workers who are here?” host John Dickerson asked.
“No, I believe the logistics are difficult,” said Carson. “As I said, I'm all ears. If somebody can tell me exactly how you can do that, I would certainly be interested in hearing it, but the fact of the matter is, our problem is that our federal government is not supporting the local authorities at the border.
“And it's disgusting, what is going on, that people are risking life and limb just to have ICE come along and say, release those people,” he said. “And that fence down there, I mean, when I was a kid, that barely represented any impediment whatsoever to our progress. It's ridiculous.
“Until we seal our borders, everything else is irrelevant, but let's say we get them sealed, because, certainly, in a Carson administration, that would be done within the first year,” said Carson. “You also turn off the spigot that dispenses the goodies so that people don't have any incentive to come here.”
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/ben-carson-give-illegals-six-months-register-guest-workers
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guest worker visas don't take jobs away from Americans. Most of the jobs illegals do are jobs that few Americans at all are willing to do for the money those jobs pay. Economics is not a zero-sum game, either, so the pie will multiply - like the loaves and fishes - to expand as more sit down to the table.
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guest worker visas don't take jobs away from Americans. Most of the jobs illegals do are jobs that few Americans at all are willing to do for the money those jobs pay. Economics is not a zero-sum game, either, so the pie will multiply - like the loaves and fishes - to expand as more sit down to the table.
I have no problem with this..
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you mean jobs like entry level fast food, something my teenage grandson would want so he can make enough money to pay for his car insurance and maintenance? Or maybe you mean the jobs of working in the fields, the way many in my family have financed their college degrees. They do indeed take jobs from American workers.
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you mean jobs like entry level fast food, something my teenage grandson would want so he can make enough money to pay for his car insurance and maintenance? Or maybe you mean the jobs of working in the fields, the way many in my family have financed their college degrees. They do indeed take jobs from American workers.
You mean the fast food jobs that will be replaced by machines real soon??
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The notion that "illegals" don't take job away from American citizens or they do the jobs that American won't do is utterly complete bunk!
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you mean jobs like entry level fast food, something my teenage grandson would want so he can make enough money to pay for his car insurance and maintenance? Or maybe you mean the jobs of working in the fields, the way many in my family have financed their college degrees. They do indeed take jobs from American workers.
Baloney. Has your grandson actually applied for any of these jobs? If he can't find them, then perhaps he could go into the commercial lawn care business. Of course, if he did, he'd have to get used to working 12 hour days and he'd have to learn to speak Spanish, 'cause there ain't many English speakers, legal or illegal, in that line of business.
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The notion that "illegals" don't take job away from American citizens or they do the jobs that American won't do is utterly complete bunk!
/snicker
Right. Then why are there so many cabs driving around NYC with "drivers wanted" stickers on them? Where are these supposed job-hungry Americans? Not taking those jobs because they consider those jobs to be beneath them, that's what.
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Nope. 6 months to wrap up your affairs and return to your home would be OK.
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There are still people on this forum who beieve that Trump is going to drive 11 million people out of this country over a 2 year period.
He will not, he can not, and yet they still let him blow smoke up their skirts.
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Give 'em 6 months to get the hell out of the country. They ARE criminals, ya know.
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Give 'em 6 months to get the hell out of the country. They ARE criminals, ya know.
There is no sentiment in the country for that. There is no sentiment in the country for Trump's goofy plan either. And Congress won't fund it.
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There is no sentiment in the country for that. There is no sentiment in the country for Trump's goofy plan either. And Congress won't fund it.
Really?? No sentiment for the FACT that ILLEGALS ARE CRIMINALS?? Since When? And why wouldn't Trump's idea of deportation work? It is not without possibility. To say that it is impossible to secure our borders and to deport illegals is a cop out. For an example; the easiest "group" to deport are those ILLEGALS occupying our prisons...send them back to the countries from which they came -- let them support their own criminals. Another example; ILLEGALS who come into our hospitals or doctors offices seeking care and who cannot produce valid U.S. identification can be deported. ILLEGALS trying to collect disability, social security, register to vote, open a bank account, apply for a driver's license, enroll their kids in school, etc. without valid U.S. identification can be deported...there are ways to identify illegals and deport. Jobs could be created by training and appointing new "deputies" to identify and deport. It may not be "politically correct", but it can be done.
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Really?? No sentiment for the FACT that ILLEGALS ARE CRIMINALS?? Since When? And why wouldn't Trump's idea of deportation work? It is not without possibility. To say that it is impossible to secure our borders and to deport illegals is a cop out. For an example; the easiest "group" to deport are those ILLEGALS occupying our prisons...send them back to the countries from which they came -- let them support their own criminals. Another example; ILLEGALS who come into our hospitals or doctors offices seeking care and who cannot produce valid U.S. identification can be deported. ILLEGALS trying to collect disability, social security, register to vote, open a bank account, apply for a driver's license, enroll their kids in school, etc. without valid U.S. identification can be deported...there are ways to identify illegals and deport. Jobs could be created by training and appointing new "deputies" to identify and deport. It may not be "politically correct", but it can be done.
It can't be done and it won't be done. You may as well chalk this up as more bullshit from Trump.
NOBODY IS GOING TO ROUND UP ILLEGALS, PUT THEM ON BUSSES AND DRIVE THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY!!!
You need to really understand that.
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We could require the illegals to wear a patch with a sombrero, on their clothing.
Kids could report their parents to authorities. Neighbors could do likewise.
This should be at the top of the GOP platform, as a direct refutation of the autopsy performed after losing the Presidential popular vote for the 5th time in 6 elections.
That finding was to have greater appeal to minorities like Hispanics, which are growing rapidly as a percent of the electorate.
Then along comes The Donald, with his nativist appeal to a narrow but loud faction, and forget the logic or math of the autopsy findings. The GOP led by their conservative faction, will merely win an increasing percent of white votes. That would be win an increasing percent, of the shrinking fraction of the whole.
How to do that? Is it to be as nativist as possible?
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We could require the illegals to wear a patch with a sombrero, on their clothing.
Kids could report their parents to authorities. Neighbors could do likewise.
This should be at the top of the GOP platform, as a direct refutation of the autopsy performed after losing the Presidential popular vote for the 5th time in 6 elections.
That finding was to have greater appeal to minorities like Hispanics, which are growing rapidly as a percent of the electorate.
Then along comes The Donald, with his nativist appeal to a narrow but loud faction, and forget the logic or math of the autopsy findings. The GOP led by their conservative faction, will merely win an increasing percent of white votes. That would be win an increasing percent, of the shrinking fraction of the whole.
How to do that? Is it to be as nativist as possible?
Or we could just declare that everyone on Earth is an American, and wherever you come from, if you can get here you can just stay here forever and be supported by the taxpayers and get full government services and permanent status. Come one come all, if we have the population of one billion, so what? We will all be one big happy multi-cultural family.
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Or we could just declare that everyone on Earth is an American, and wherever you come from, if you can get here you can just stay here forever and be supported by the taxpayers and get full government services and permanent status. Come one come all, if we have the population of one billion, so what? We will all be one big happy multi-cultural family.
An uncomplicated immigration policy in one sentence: If you can walk across the border, you're a citizen.
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Then along comes The Donald, with his nativist appeal to a narrow but loud faction,
If Trump is leading in all national polls and is at least 2nd in smaller polls, I don't see how you arrive at your "narrow but loud faction" statement.
Do you have statistics or info on this or is this just your view?
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Really?? No sentiment for the FACT that ILLEGALS ARE CRIMINALS?? Since When? And why wouldn't Trump's idea of deportation work? It is not without possibility. To say that it is impossible to secure our borders and to deport illegals is a cop out. For an example; the easiest "group" to deport are those ILLEGALS occupying our prisons...send them back to the countries from which they came -- let them support their own criminals. Another example; ILLEGALS who come into our hospitals or doctors offices seeking care and who cannot produce valid U.S. identification can be deported. ILLEGALS trying to collect disability, social security, register to vote, open a bank account, apply for a driver's license, enroll their kids in school, etc. without valid U.S. identification can be deported...there are ways to identify illegals and deport. Jobs could be created by training and appointing new "deputies" to identify and deport. It may not be "politically correct", but it can be done.
So you want Donald to bypass Congress and the courts to round up every illegal immigrants correct?
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So you want Donald to bypass Congress and the courts to round up every illegal immigrants correct?
Bypass Congress? It is already illegal to be here without "permission" and it is already "required" to deport those that are here illegally.
Not abiding by the law, like not deporting and not securing the border, is bypassing congress.
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Bypass Congress? It is already illegal to be here without "permission" and it is already "required" to deport those that are here illegally.
Not abiding by the law, like not deporting and not securing the border, is bypassing congress.
Boing!
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It should not be the job of the US government to "protect" American workers, or to regulate the US labor market. A man's labor is his property and under natural law property rights are inalienable. They do not confer only to Americans. Based on the concept of natural law, if a Mexican or anyone else wants to come here and negotiate his labor, he has the right to do it, regardless of what the law says. In fact, if the law prevents him from doing so, the worker who disobeys it has the higher moral authority. This does not mean he should be exempt from punishment by a state that has unjustly enacted laws that violate his personal property rights. But we should recognize that such individuals have not sinned against God, only the US government, which thinks it is God.
So long as a person does not present a security threat, and so long as he does not suck from the government teat, we should have no problem with him seeking employment in the USA. The idea of inalienability and "life, liberty, property" is that these rights confer to everyone, not just citizens. The test of the illegal immigration issue to patriots is whether we truly believe in the theory of government that is laid out in the Declaration of independence and Constitution, or do we just support natural law when it suits our own needs, and support tyranny when it doesn't?
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It should not be the job of the US government to "protect" American workers, or to regulate the US labor market. A man's labor is his property and under natural law property rights are inalienable. They do not confer only to Americans. Based on the concept of natural law, if a Mexican or anyone else wants to come here and negotiate his labor, he has the right to do it, regardless of what the law says. In fact, if the law prevents him from doing so, the worker who disobeys it has the higher moral authority. This does not mean he should be exempt from punishment by a state that has unjustly enacted laws that violate his personal property rights. But we should recognize that such individuals have not sinned against God, only the US government, which thinks it is God.
So long as a person does not present a security threat, and so long as he does not suck from the government teat, we should have no problem with him seeking employment in the USA. The idea of inalienability and "life, liberty, property" is that these rights confer to everyone, not just citizens. The test of the illegal immigration issue to patriots is whether we truly believe in the theory of government that is laid out in the Declaration of independence and Constitution, or do we just support natural law when it suits our own needs, and support tyranny when it doesn't.
"It should not be the job of the US government to "protect" American workers..." Then the converse should also be true That the job of the US Government is not to "punish" American workers by selective law enforcement (i.e. illegals not having to pay for obamacare because they are paid under the table) over taxation to pay for illegals (i.e. ESL, duplicate government documents, translators) and allow "foreigners" to bring diseases into the country (i.e. TB, Ebola).
The governments should not be exporting American capability, tax free, then using American tax dollars to repurchase products derived from those American developed capabilities from foreign countries while demeaning the American workforce and corporations.
The borders of any country has been bought and paid for with the blood of its citizens and those citizens hire governments to protect their common interests.
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"It should not be the job of the US government to "protect" American workers..." Then the converse should also be true That the job of the US Government is not to "punish" American workers by selective law enforcement (i.e. illegals not having to pay for obamacare because they are paid under the table) over taxation to pay for illegals (i.e. ESL, duplicate government documents, translators) and allow "foreigners" to bring diseases into the country (i.e. TB, Ebola).
The governments should not be exporting American capability, tax free, then using American tax dollars to repurchase products derived from those American developed capabilities from foreign countries while demeaning the American workforce and corporations.
The borders of any country has been bought and paid for with the blood of its citizens and those citizens hire governments to protect their common interests.
Double Boing!!
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"It should not be the job of the US government to "protect" American workers..." Then the converse should also be true That the job of the US Government is not to "punish" American workers by selective law enforcement (i.e. illegals not having to pay for obamacare because they are paid under the table) over taxation to pay for illegals (i.e. ESL, duplicate government documents, translators) and allow "foreigners" to bring diseases into the country (i.e. TB, Ebola).
The governments should not be exporting American capability, tax free, then using American tax dollars to repurchase products derived from those American developed capabilities from foreign countries while demeaning the American workforce and corporations.
The borders of any country has been bought and paid for with the blood of its citizens and those citizens hire governments to protect their common interests.
As to the first part of your post, I would say that BOTH our labor protection laws and Obamacare are tyrannical in nature, and both should be opposed. Ditto laws that require ESL and translators, and even laws that require local communities to educate the children of illegals.
I am not quite sure what you mean by governments exporting American capability, but in principle I would agree that national governments should do absolutely nothing except protect the natural rights of their citizens.
That also applies to your last comment, which could easily apply to Nazi Germany or any other tyrannical state. The point of Locke, Jefferson, Rand, Friedman and even Burke and Kirk is that civilization should be organized under certain principles that originate with God, not from men with guns who bully their way into creating a nation state. What separates Americans from the revolutionaries that came before us is our recognition of three fundamental human rights: life, liberty, property.
This is not something I only believe when it is convenient to me.
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That also applies to your last comment, which could easily apply to Nazi Germany or any other tyrannical state.
Sorry but I missed your point on this one Mass.... I thought we were talking about giving illegals "amnesty" not invading other countries.....
The point of Locke, Jefferson, Rand, Friedman and even Burke and Kirk is that civilization should be organized under certain principles that originate with God, not from men with guns who bully their way into creating a nation state.
We are organized under God, in a manner of speaking, at least christian principles. But what do you do when people decide not to follow those principles? Do we just ignore it, shake our head and move on?
What separates Americans from the revolutionaries that came before us is our recognition of three fundamental human rights: life, liberty, property.
Agree. The sticking point is the property part.... You are willing to give your property away and I am not. I am part owner in the USA, just as you are. This is my home and no one should have access to it without our permission.
This is not something I only believe when it is convenient to me.
No comment...
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As to the first part of your post, I would say that BOTH our labor protection laws and Obamacare are tyrannical in nature, and both should be opposed. Ditto laws that require ESL and translators, and even laws that require local communities to educate the children of illegals.
I am not quite sure what you mean by governments exporting American capability, but in principle I would agree that national governments should do absolutely nothing except protect the natural rights of their citizens.
That also applies to your last comment, which could easily apply to Nazi Germany or any other tyrannical state. The point of Locke, Jefferson, Rand, Friedman and even Burke and Kirk is that civilization should be organized under certain principles that originate with God, not from men with guns who bully their way into creating a nation state. What separates Americans from the revolutionaries that came before us is our recognition of three fundamental human rights: life, liberty, property.
This is not something I only believe when it is convenient to me.
Great, we've got human rights covered. Now, what of human tradition? Borders, language, culture. Over millennia these things will change naturally. But, when the period is short and sudden, oversized, through deliberate policy of government importation, without consent or consensus of the people, well that is problematic.
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An uncomplicated immigration policy in one sentence: If you can walk across the border, you're a citizen.
I am quite certain it would make both the Chamber of Commerce lobby and the Democrat party quite happy. Labor not so much.
However, there would be a tremendous growth industry created in building walled compounds for the government and business elite.
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If Trump is leading in all national polls and is at least 2nd in smaller polls, I don't see how you arrive at your "narrow but loud faction" statement.
Do you have statistics or info on this or is this just your view?
I have only my opinion, base on life experience. I believe looking back on this election cycle, asking why the GOP lost to President Clinton, the Hispanic insults by Trump will reappear.
The analysis will cite that right after the 2012 loss, it was suggested the GOP should start paying greater heed to the GROWING segments of the electorate, since their own segments were SHRINKING. Foremost among those growing segments was Hispanics.
Winning the GOP nomination is one thing. Winning the general election is another.
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Great, we've got human rights covered. Now, what of human tradition? Borders, language, culture. Over millennia these things will change naturally. But, when the period is short and sudden, oversized, through deliberate policy of government importation, without consent or consensus of the people, well that is problematic.
Well, herein lies the problem. You argue that America is a socialist state, and because we are a socialist state we cannot afford to allow immigrants here to work. However, I argue that what we should be doing is reversing the socialism as opposed to compounding it by closing our borders. Iron curtains and socialism/communism go hand in hand. When people talk about building walls I get nervous.
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Well, herein lies the problem. You argue that America is a socialist state, and because we are a socialist state we cannot afford to allow immigrants here to work. However, I argue that what we should be doing is reversing the socialism as opposed to compounding it by closing our borders. Iron curtains and socialism/communism go hand in hand. When people talk about building walls I get nervous.
Here is an even deeper irony...most of those entering the country (for work and for government benefits) are highly committed socialists, people who have lived under socialism their entire lives and know or want nothing else. They will become the most fervant supporters of the American socialist state. Changing it becomes nearly impossible as we import more and more committed socialists. Soon, if not now, we will have a committed socialist majority and the meager chances of reversing it will be eliminated altogether.
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So you want Donald to bypass Congress and the courts to round up every illegal immigrants correct?
Who said anything about bypassing Congress? That is an assumption. Immigration laws need to be changed. Our existing immigration laws need to be enforced. The action of "catch and release" needs to stopped; rather we need "catch and deport". This notion that we would be unable to accomplish mass deportation is ridiculous. This notion that deportation is similar to Nazism is equally ridiculous. They are here ILLEGALLY -- they aren't citizens, they don't belong in this country! Deportation is not only feasible but will give this country an economic boost.
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Here is an even deeper irony...most of those entering the country (for work and for government benefits) are highly committed socialists, people who have lived under socialism their entire lives and know or want nothing else. They will become the most fervant supporters of the American socialist state. Changing it becomes nearly impossible as we import more and more committed socialists. Soon, if not now, we will have a committed socialist majority and the meager chances of reversing it will be eliminated altogether.
I agree. Most immigrants are not coming here to work, but to access our social safety net. This is in contrast to the immigrants of earlier centuries who came here for freedom as opposed to become dependents of the state. One more good reason that getting rid of socialism is better than building walls.
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Great, we've got human rights covered. Now, what of human tradition? Borders, language, culture. Over millennia these things will change naturally. But, when the period is short and sudden, oversized, through deliberate policy of government importation, without consent or consensus of the people, well that is problematic.
Didn't you say you studied in California? Remember the names of towns? Los Angeles, San Francisco?
It has been for less than 200 years, that English dominated here. "Borders, language, culture. Over millennia these things will change naturally."
The Spanish speakers that I have known since grade school speak accent-free English, too. They are truly bilingual, like almost all Europeans.
There does exist a certain (Anglo) paranoia, fear that the newcomers (Hispanics) will take from us that which is ours.
Here in California the Hispanics were here before us, and have been alongside ever since.
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Well, herein lies the problem. You argue that America is a socialist state, and because we are a socialist state we cannot afford to allow immigrants here to work. However, I argue that what we should be doing is reversing the socialism as opposed to compounding it by closing our borders. Iron curtains and socialism/communism go hand in hand. When people talk about building walls I get nervous.
Listening to Rush and he just now reminded his listeners what Milton Friedman said about illegal immigration. That unfettered illegal immigration combined with a welfare state is a disastrous combination for the host society. Wise man that Friedman.
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Sorry but I missed your point on this one Mass.... I thought we were talking about giving illegals "amnesty" not invading other countries.....
We are organized under God, in a manner of speaking, at least christian principles. But what do you do when people decide not to follow those principles? Do we just ignore it, shake our head and move on?
Agree. The sticking point is the property part.... You are willing to give your property away and I am not. I am part owner in the USA, just as you are. This is my home and no one should have access to it without our permission.
No comment...
Just to be clear, I am not a supporter of amnesty, especially if it involves a path to citizenship.
As an example, I think income tax avoiders also have great moral authority for what they do, but I would not let them skate for breaking the law.
I also have not talked about giving my property away. I simply want access to all trading partners who wish to exchange with me, not just those the government permits me to negotiate with.
As far as I understand it, being born a citizen of the USA was never intended to confer land ownership. It was intended to guarantee fundamental human rights: land, liberty, property. The right to property does not mean you get an interest in property without exchanging something for it. As far as your own home, I completely agree you should have the right to restrict access to it however you wish.
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Listening to Rush and he just now reminded his listeners what Milton Friedman said about illegal immigration. That unfettered illegal immigration combined with a welfare state is a disastrous combination for the host society. Wise man that Friedman.
Yes, but did you also know that Friedman was an advocate of open borders, and would likely continue to advocate for open borders today? He made the argument because he understood that open borders were a stopgap AGAINST socialism.
He never imagined the socialists would invite the hordes in so that they could gain a majority and turn the country into a one party state.
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Didn't you say you studied in California? Remember the names of towns? Los Angeles, San Francisco?
It has been for less than 200 years, that English dominated here. "Borders, language, culture. Over millennia these things will change naturally."
The Spanish speakers that I have known since grade school speak accent-free English, too. They are truly bilingual, like almost all Europeans.
There does exist a certain (Anglo) paranoia, fear that the newcomers (Hispanics) will take from us that which is ours.
Here in California the Hispanics were here before us, and have been alongside ever since.
Well, yes, but this native Californian would like to remind you that California has turned into a one-party socialist state. Politically, as California has gone, so will the rest of the country.
I don't think California's problems were caused by open borders. They were caused by open borders combined with a generous social safety net.
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Well, yes, but this native Californian would like to remind you that California has turned into a one-party socialist state. Politically, as California has gone, so will the rest of the country.
I don't think California's problems were caused by open borders. They were caused by open borders combined with a generous social safety net.
It has happened pretty quickly in history. Both Calif. and Texas have about 37% self-identified "Hispanics." The states share the same fedgov safety net, and have their own state safety nets.
Calif. elected Republicans very recently. Our budget is balanced, and we give to the federal government on a net accounts basis, not take from it like most red states.
I am not sure I can point to the time in economic history that California (or the US) moved from pure capitalist to European mixed economy to socialist.
Can you point out the key elements of that timeline?
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I'm not for giving illegals guest worker status. I am for giving them temporary status that requires them to have a job, not be on welfare, and not have a criminal record, while they apply at the back of the line for more permanent status. Those that can't cut it get sent home, as well as those that don't register.
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The best way to get rid of these people, stop giving them freebies. They will leave on their own.
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It has happened pretty quickly in history. Both Calif. and Texas have about 37% self-identified "Hispanics." The states share the same fedgov safety net, and have their own state safety nets.
Calif. elected Republicans very recently. Our budget is balanced, and we give to the federal government on a net accounts basis, not take from it like most red states.
I am not sure I can point to the time in economic history that California (or the US) moved from pure capitalist to European mixed economy to socialist.
Can you point out the key elements of that timeline?
It was incremental.
I will note that Texas, which has much more capitalist-friendly politics, has not evolved politically the way California has. In fact, the current Texas governor Abbott, who was Tea Party all the way, got 44 percent of the Hispanic vote.
Makes one want to question one's assumptions about Hispanics, I think.
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The best way to get rid of these people, stop giving them freebies. They will leave on their own.
That horse has already left the barn. The freebies are INCREASING, rapidly at that. Now it is driver's licenses, which leads to voter registrations, instate college tuition (or even free tuition) - in California, illegal aliens are treated better than citizens of neighboring states. They essentially become automatic citizens the moment they set foot in California. Citizens with a full slate of government benefits, some of which even the taxpayers there can't acquire. It is far, far too late to roll back socialism. Not too mention that we are importing primarily committed socialists out of Latin America. They will be happy to vote for even more government largesse.
I find it amazing that we are being told that we simply must accept this in America - that there is nothing that can be done about it and we must just take in the hordes from the south - at the same moment Europe is being over-run by Islamic hordes. The irony of the death of the west is very thick indeed.
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I find it amazing that we are being told that we simply must accept this in America - that there is nothing that can be done about it and we must just take in the hordes from the south - at the same moment Europe is being over-run by Islamic hordes.
Yep....almost like a worldwide plan. :smokin: I still say cut them off. It is either them or us at this point.
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Makes one want to question one's assumptions about Hispanics, I think.
Not to pic nits..... Mexicans are the least of our problems... There are many other nationalities, no so nice, that are here illegally...
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kevindavis wrote above:
"You mean the fast food jobs that will be replaced by machines real soon??"
And then, all those newly-arrived "guest workers" with permanent residency will transmogrify into welfare recipients in the twinklin' of an eye.
No "guest workers".
No amnesty.
EVER.
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Open-borders Oceander writes above:
"Baloney. Has your grandson actually applied for any of these jobs?"
My first job was collecting shopping carts in the parking lot of a Daitch-Shopwell back in the summer of 1966 for $1.25 an hour.
Is that "entry-level" enough for you?
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aligncare wrote above:
"An uncomplicated immigration policy in one sentence: If you can walk across the border, you're a citizen."
Post of the day. The utter truth.
Hmmm.....
Why don't you email this to the Trump campaign?
If he says this in the next debate, he'll gain 5-10 more points in the polls.
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mass wrote above:
"Iron curtains and socialism/communism go hand in hand. When people talk about building walls I get nervous."
Do you have a lock on your front door?
Why?
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Do you have a lock on your front door?
Why?
I do. To keep the Jehova's Witnesses out, mostly.
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I do. To keep the Jehova's Witnesses out, mostly.
:silly: