The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on March 20, 2017, 02:25:55 pm
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Comey confronts an angry Congress
The FBI director testifies Monday as members of both parties accuse him of being less than forthcoming about Russia-related probes.
By Austin Wright and Martin Matishak
03/19/17 05:03 PM EDT
He upended the presidential election — twice. Now Democrats are pinning their hopes on the man many of them blame for Hillary Clinton’s loss to deliver a major blow to Donald Trump’s credibility.
FBI Director James Comey is set to face probing questions Monday about Russia’s involvement in the presidential election at a highly anticipated public appearance before the House Intelligence Committee. He's expected to be asked to confirm or deny the existence of criminal investigations into Trump or his campaign aides over ties to Moscow, though several committee members said Comey will likely decline to comment because doing so could undermine active probes.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/james-comey-testifies-congress-russia-probes-fbi-236189
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Ben WiklerVerified account @benwikler 47s47 seconds ago
I can confirm: The FBI.. is investigating Russian interference in the US election, and that includes... whether there was any coordination.
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HowardKurtzVerified account @HowardKurtz 47s47 seconds ago
Comey to Hill: I can't go into detail about the investigation we're doing...I know that is frustrating
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Ben WiklerVerified account @benwikler 47s47 seconds ago
I can confirm: The FBI.. is investigating Russian interference in the US election, and that includes... whether there was any coordination.
Haha. Suddenly Democrats love Comey and Trumpsters hate him. Partisans are idiots.
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Jonathan AllenVerified account @jonallendc 55s55 seconds ago
"We just cannot do our work well or fairly if we start talking about it while we're doing it" - whoever is inhabiting Jim Comey's body.
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John HarwoodVerified account @JohnJHarwood 2m2 minutes ago
Comey on FBI probe on Russian intererence/Trump contacts: "We will follow evidence wherever it leads"
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Chuck WooleryVerified account @chuckwoolery 43s44 seconds ago
Intel committee hearing. It will be highly reported on, speculated on, twisted, and perverted on, in the end?
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Michael SmerconishVerified account @smerconish 6m6 minutes ago
Im not surprised there is an FBI investigation including of Trump campaign - I am surprised FBI Director Comey confirmed its existence.
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So far this is the major headline which I am sure will be twisted by various news outlets.....my question is why did Comey announce there is an investigation...common practice is the FBI doesn't release who or what they are investigating.
CNNVerified account @CNN 3m3 minutes ago
JUST IN: FBI Director James Comey: The FBI is investigating "alleged links" between the Trump campaign and Russia
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Chad PergramVerified account @ChadPergram 41s41 seconds ago
NSA chief Rogers refuses to explain how fmr Nat'l Security Adviser Flynn was "unmasked" in testimony before Hse Intel Cmte
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So far this is the major headline which I am sure will be twisted by various news outlets.....my question is why did Comey announce there is an investigation...common practice is the FBI doesn't release who or what they are investigating.
CNNVerified account @CNN 3m3 minutes ago
JUST IN: FBI Director James Comey: The FBI is investigating "alleged links" between the Trump campaign and Russia
To be fair, they can't not investigate the links, once they've been so publicly alleged.
Hard to say how the Russkis could have tilted the election to Trump in the vast majority of US counties, though -- aside from Hillary's e-mails, which she shouldn't have had on her illegal private server in the first place, for this very reason....
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Michael IsikoffVerified account @Isikoff 2m2 minutes ago
Worth noting Comey said he got approval from DOJ to publicly say FBI is investigating possible links between trump campaign and Russia
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Michael IsikoffVerified account @Isikoff 2m2 minutes ago
Worth noting Comey said he got approval from DOJ to publicly say FBI is investigating possible links between trump campaign and Russia
Any investigation will include investigation of leaks. Someone's going to jail.
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Rick WilsonVerified account @TheRickWilson 4m4 minutes ago
So far:
1. Trump was lying.
2. Russia was hacking us.
3. GCHQ didn't tap Trump.
4. The FBI is investigating.
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Chris CillizzaVerified account @TheFix 3m3 minutes ago
To believe Trump on wire-tapping at this point, you have to believe that James Comey is lying in a public Congressional hearing.
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So Trump is a lying sack of monkey shit. Confirmed by Comey.
Anyone shocked that the all time electoral college winner is lying?
:pop41:
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So Trump is a lying sack of monkey shit. Confirmed by Comey.
Anyone shocked that the all time electoral college winner is lying?
:pop41:
Yeah, suddenly democrats love Comey.
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Buck SextonVerified account @BuckSexton 43s44 seconds ago
Reporters do not have a specific legal exception to publishing classified information. They just aren't prosecuted. Most don't know this.
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Yeah, suddenly democrats love Comey.
And Rumpsters hate him... :shrug:
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Rick KleinVerified account @rickklein 2m2 minutes ago
intriguing that Comey said he was "authorized by the Department of Justice" to disavow Trump Tweets on behalf of both FBI and DOJ. By whom?
Can't be Sessions..he recused himself.
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Buck SextonVerified account @BuckSexton 43s44 seconds ago
Reporters do not have a specific legal exception to publishing classified information. They just aren't prosecuted. Most don't know this.
Yeah wasn't the Ellsberg going to be prosecuted for publishing the Pentagon papers? And that Senator from Alaska read them on floor of the House (where you are constitutionally protected from saying whatever you wanted).
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HowardKurtzVerified account @HowardKurtz 1m1 minute ago
Comey's "I have no information that supports those tweets" is going to be the big sound bite coming out of this hearing re Trump's claims
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And Rumpsters hate him... :shrug:
Rumpster?
You'd better get ready for school.
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Ben ShapiroVerified account @benshapiro 2m2 minutes ago
BREAKING: FBI Director Says ‘No Evidence’ Of Obama Wiretap, NSA Calls Trump Allegations 'Ridiculous'
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Rumpster?
You'd better get ready for school.
You know I'm right. :laugh:
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You know I'm right. :laugh:
Don't forget your lunch.
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Don't forget your lunch.
:laugh:
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Kinda funny how he can't comment on stuff that might support Trump but he can comment on things that criticize Trump.
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Glenn ThrushVerified account @GlennThrush
Gowdy -- without citing evidence -- is strongly suggesting that Clapper, Brennan, Rice, Rhodes, Lynch, Yates and Obama leaked Flynn's name.
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Kinda funny how he can't comment on stuff that might support Trump but he can comment on things that criticize Trump.
Who, Comey or WTF?
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Kinda funny how he can't comment on stuff that might support Trump but he can comment on things that criticize Trump.
Yep..that's the way it's been going....
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Yep..that's the way it's been going....
This is gonna take awhile to develop. Right now people are hearing what they want to hear.
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Who, Comey or WTF?
:bigsilly:
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Michael IsikoffVerified account @Isikoff 2m2 minutes ago
Worth noting Comey said he got approval from DOJ to publicly say FBI is investigating possible links between trump campaign and Russia
Comey does and says whatever he is told to do. I have a feeling that the DOJ isn't the only one pulling his strings.
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Comey does and says whatever he is told to do. I have a feeling that the DOJ isn't the only one pulling his strings.
Trumpsters now hate Comey... :silly:
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Brit HumeVerified account @brithume 4m4 minutes ago
House Intel Dems using their turns to read into the record the stuff they claim is evidence of Trump/Russia collusion. Comey won't comment.
This is a dog and pony show..the only one asking pertinent questions is Gowdy..the Repubs on the panel should just give them their time for questions
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Brit HumeVerified account @brithume 4m4 minutes ago
House Intel Dems using their turns to read into the record the stuff they claim is evidence of Trump/Russia collusion. Comey won't comment.
This is a dog and pony show..the only one asking pertinent questions is Gowdy..the Repubs on the panel should just give them their time for questions
Probably, but he seemed to show that Trump is a complete liar vis a vis the "wiretapping" allegations.
Unless you believe Comey is in on the collusion.
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If Trump has any evidence now is the time to release it...put up or shut up....just saying.
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What about the Clinton campaign and any Russian connection? What about the 'uranium deals' made with Russia through the Clinton Foundation?
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If Trump has any evidence now is the time to release it...put up or shut up....just saying.
I wish he would.
But if/when it becomes clear there was a surveillance of Trump's campaign how much to you wanna bet the issue will go from that to 'prove Obama ordered it'?
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What about the Clinton campaign and any Russian connection? What about the 'uranium deals' made with Russia through the Clinton Foundation?
Nah...this is just to show that Trump has been lying....and the Repubs once again fell into the trap of having hearings..
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Nah...this is just to show that Trump has been lying....and the Repubs once again fell into the trap of having hearings..
Slow learners, aren't they?
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If Trump has any evidence now is the time to release it...put up or shut up....just saying.
Agreed...IF he accused Bammy of wiretapping to divert attention from the Russia issue, his tweets and rants will not be taken seriously. He won't be able to assert news as being fake and expect people to believe him. Not only will it hurt his credibility, but it will hurt the GOP's credibility (of what's left of it) as well.
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Rush said this is nothing more than to gather evidence for future impeachment hearings...especially on the Dem side.
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Jonathan AllenVerified account @jonallendc 2m2 minutes ago
The most telling aspect of this hearing is that not a single Republican is really defending Trump.
I will say this..maybe if Trump gave the evidence he has to them they would...so far it's just Trump tweets
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Agreed...IF he accused Bammy of wiretapping to divert attention from the Russia issue, his tweets and rants will not be taken seriously. He won't be able to assert news as being fake and expect people to believe him. Not only will it hurt his credibility, but it will hurt the GOP's credibility (of what's left of it) as well.
If that's your standard for Trump's credibility.... the train left the station years ago. Remember Trump's "Big Announcement" a few years back, about Obama's birth certificate? That was a real earth-shaker....
Face it: Trump has always been a guy who throws stuff out there knowing that for some people it's going to stick. This is no different.
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NPR PoliticsVerified account @nprpolitics 45s46 seconds ago
Rep. Gowdy raised prospect of prosecuting journalists reporting classified info. Under Obama, DOJ pledged not to.
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David CornVerified account @DavidCornDC 10s11 seconds ago
Nunes is asking isn't it "ridiculous" to say Russians would prefer a GOPer over a Democrat in pres. contest. This is a ridiculous question.
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Yeah, suddenly democrats love Comey.
Democrats and #nevertrumps
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Probably, but he seemed to show that Trump is a complete liar vis a vis the "wiretapping" allegations.
Unless you believe Comey is in on the collusion.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
In the world of intelligence its uncommon that actual evidence is released. To do so frequently requires disclosure of methods and sources. The FBI does not want to come out and say the NSA/CIA/FBI has been monitoring communications illegally.
To doubt that the Obama administration was monitoring its critics is naive at best and foolish. There are many sources which have published this monitoring is occurring over the last 6 years. From their treatment of the Tea Party to their support of the Occupy and Black Lives Matter groups the Obama admin is a case study on how to push a socialist agenda.
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Jonathan AllenVerified account @jonallendc 2m2 minutes ago
The point isn't that Russians prefer Republicans over Democrats; it's that they preferred Trump.
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure
In the world of intelligence its uncommon that actual evidence is released. To do so frequently requires disclosure of methods and sources. The FBI does not want to come out and say the NSA/CIA/FBI has been monitoring communications illegally.
To doubt that the Obama administration was monitoring its critiques is naive at best and foolish. There are many sources which have published this monitoring is occurring over the last 6 years. From their treatment of the Tea Party to their support of the Occupy and Black Lives Matter groups the Obama admin is a case study on how to push a socialist agenda.
Spot on !
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Byron YorkVerified account @ByronYork 2m2 minutes ago
At House Intel, Dem Rep. Carson says Manafort, Page, and Flynn were 'hired because of their Russian connections.'
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Byron YorkVerified account @ByronYork 2m2 minutes ago
At House Intel, Dem Rep. Carson says Manafort, Page, and Flynn were 'hired because of their Russian connections.'
@mystery-ak
Is it bad to have friendly relations with Russia? Wouldn't that be better then hostility and a return of the cold war.
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John Bresnahan @BresPolitico 5m5 minutes ago
>@POTUS is uploading videos from today's House Intel Cmte hearing. Yes, that is happening.
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John Bresnahan @BresPolitico 3m3 minutes ago
Or someone is doing it for him. Either way, still amazing
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@mystery-ak
Is it bad to have friendly relations with Russia? Wouldn't that be better then hostility and a return of the cold war.
There's friendly and there's friendly....
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President TrumpVerified account @POTUS
FBI Director Comey refuses to deny he briefed President Obama on calls made by Michael Flynn to Russia.
Yes, he's tweeting during the hearings.
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Katie PavlichVerified account @KatiePavlich 16m16 minutes ago
OMG Rex Tillerson made big oil deals in Russia as the CEO of Exxon
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So Comey exonerated Hillary when there was enough evidence to indict and probably convict, but is going full bore to crucify Trump over Democrat allegations?
Yes indeed, "The seriousness of the charge warrants an investigation" - except when it's the Democrat Left.
Comey is operating as a tool of sabotage for the political Left, as will every single holdover from the previous regime and every career appointed Democrat bureaucrat operate.
I wonder why there was no investigation of the Muslim Brotherhood's influence or George Soros' financial influence upon our elections?
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So Comey exonerated Hillary when there was enough evidence to indict and probably convict, but is going full bore to crucify Trump over Democrat allegations?
Yes indeed, "The seriousness of the charge warrants an investigation" - except when it's the Democrat Left.
Comey is operating as a tool of sabotage for the political Left, as will every single holdover from the previous regime and every career appointed Democrat bureaucrat operate.
I wonder why there was no investigation of the Muslim Brotherhood's influence or George Soros' financial influence upon our elections?
Not really but that appears to be the opinion of the echo chamber.
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure
In the world of intelligence its uncommon that actual evidence is released. To do so frequently requires disclosure of methods and sources. The FBI does not want to come out and say the NSA/CIA/FBI has been monitoring communications illegally.
To doubt that the Obama administration was monitoring its critics is naive at best and foolish. There are many sources which have published this monitoring is occurring over the last 6 years. From their treatment of the Tea Party to their support of the Occupy and Black Lives Matter groups the Obama admin is a case study on how to push a socialist agenda.
Trump made an unfounded accusation without evidence. It's up to his dumb ass to prove the charges. Otherwise he's a bleep lying sack of shit.
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Stephen MillerVerified account @redsteeze 1h1 hour ago
Has Comey answered which part of Russian hacking kept Hillary out of the state of Wisconsin for a 100 days?
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Democrats and #nevertrumps
And the Rumpsters hate Comey. So what?
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Amanda CarpenterVerified account @amandacarpenter 2h2 hours ago
So..the FBI was investigating both Trump and Clinton associates during the 2016 campaign? These were our nominees?
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Trump made an unfounded accusation without evidence. It's up to his dumb ass to prove the charges. Otherwise he's a bleep lying sack of shit.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
It looks like you just made an unfounded accusation. Prove he doesn't have evidence.
Or are you a "bleep lying sack of shit"
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It looks like you just made an unfounded accusation. Prove he doesn't have evidence.
He made the accusation, it's up to him to prove it. That's how it works.
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Trump made an unfounded accusation without evidence. It's up to his dumb ass to prove the charges. Otherwise he's a bleep lying sack of shit.
lol. This comment is a perfect representation of the mindset of the nut bar left.
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He made the accusation, it's up to him to prove it. That's how it works.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
Who should he prove it too? The other people in govt who agree with him? Or folks like you who are deranged and wouldn't accept any amount of evidence for anything you don't like.
But wait that doesn't fit your talking points does it.
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure
Who should he prove it too? The other people in govt who agree with him? Or folks like you who are deranged and wouldn't accept any amount of evidence for anything you don't like.
But wait that doesn't fit your talking points does it.
Who agrees with him? The unnamed sources. Infowars? I haven't seen any credible evidence and Comey seems to concur with that.
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So Comey exonerated Hillary when there was enough evidence to indict and probably convict, but is going full bore to crucify Trump over Democrat allegations?
Yes indeed, "The seriousness of the charge warrants an investigation" - except when it's the Democrat Left.
Comey is operating as a tool of sabotage for the political Left, as will every single holdover from the previous regime and every career appointed Democrat bureaucrat operate.
I wonder why there was no investigation of the Muslim Brotherhood's influence or George Soros' financial influence upon our elections?
If I were Trump..... I would fire Comey so fast his pointy little head would spin off.
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Let's keep this thread on track..
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Who does Trump and his defenders believe?
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Let's keep this thread on track..
Ooops. Sorry. The natives are restless today and it's not even a full moon. :laugh:
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure
In the world of intelligence its uncommon that actual evidence is released. To do so frequently requires disclosure of methods and sources. The FBI does not want to come out and say the NSA/CIA/FBI has been monitoring communications illegally.
To doubt that the Obama administration was monitoring its critics is naive at best and foolish. There are many sources which have published this monitoring is occurring over the last 6 years. From their treatment of the Tea Party to their support of the Occupy and Black Lives Matter groups the Obama admin is a case study on how to push a socialist agenda.
Comey is enjoying himself way too much.
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If I were Trump..... I would fire Comey so fast his pointy little head would spin off.
Can't now. Firing the guy that's investigating you? Screams guilty at about 7 million decibels.
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Ooops. Sorry. The natives are restless today and it's not even a full moon. :laugh:
WTF is so much better on ignore and it cleans up a whole page quite nicely.
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Can't now. Firing the guy that's investigating you? Screams guilty at about 7 million decibels.
Seems theres a big fat opportunity to turn the investigation on the obvious lawbreaking committed by those who're seeking to reverse the election results with this thing - the only lawbreaking we know for certain has been committed.
If the GOP doesn't take the bull by the horns soon we can assume they are quietly complicit.
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Can't now. Firing the guy that's investigating you? Screams guilty at about 7 million decibels.
Yep, fairly Nixonian.
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Seems theres a big fat opportunity to turn the investigation on the obvious lawbreaking committed by those who're seeking to reverse the election results with this thing - the only lawbreaking we know for certain has been committed.
If the GOP doesn't take the bull by the horns soon we can assume they are quietly complicit.
I know. I haven't watched much but it almost feels like the dems are in the majority and Comey is way too smug and unconcerned.
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If the GOP doesn't take the bull by the horns soon we can assume they are quietly complicit.
Never been able to tell the difference between complicit and spineless as far as those useless tossers are concerned.
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Never been able to tell the difference between complicit and spineless as far as those useless tossers are concerned.
Given that the GOP always manages to find their spine whenever the establishment status quo is threatened I'm no longer willing to give them that benefit of a doubt.
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Given that the GOP always manages to find their spine whenever the establishment status quo is threatened I'm no longer willing to give them that benefit of a doubt.
Finally. Someone articulates what so many of us understand about the GOP and why we left it.
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure Knock off the filthy talk. You can make your point better than that, I've seen you do it. And don't cry that you were pushed, either. This is your one warning.
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure
I've deleted several of your offensive posts as well as those by others that quoted them.
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Can't now. Firing the guy that's investigating you? Screams guilty at about 7 million decibels.
Not when the same guy admitted that Trump's opponent in the election was guilty as hell, yet he refused to 'go after' her and instead, let her off the hook....as he knew damned well that Obama's Department of Injustice would never prosecute. Comey has already identified himself as a partisan whore. The only thing yet to be determined is his price.
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure
I've deleted several of your offensive posts as well as those by others that quoted them.
I support that decision. I had brought my mop with me and found I didn't need to use it.
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WTF is so much better on ignore and it cleans up a whole page quite nicely.
Yes, but I've always held that you should keep your friends close....
and your enemies closer (to see what they're up to and bitching about)...lol.
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Rush.....with all the leaks how come no real evidence has ever been leaked.
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Rush.....with all the leaks how come no real evidence has ever been leaked.
For what accusation? The wiretapping or the Russia stuff?
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If I were Trump..... I would fire Comey so fast his pointy little head would spin off.
Not quite yet .... ^-^
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For what accusation? The wiretapping or the Russia stuff?
Since Comey has shown a lust for putting his thumb on the electoral scale, I'd like to see some of the evidence used for his multiple positions on Hillary Clinton's data server.
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Who agrees with him? The unnamed sources. Infowars? I haven't seen any credible evidence and Comey seems to concur with that.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
Comey? The guy who said Hillary didn't break the law? After saying she did the things that get everyone else prosecuted.
He has zero credibility. The only thing we don't know is who is pulling his strings.
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure
Comey? The guy who said Hillary didn't break the law? After saying she did the things that get everyone else prosecuted.
He has zero credibility. The only thing we don't know is who is pulling his strings.
:shrug:
He has at least as much credibility as Trump.
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Trump needs to put up or shut up. At this point he's looking like a fool.
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:shrug:
He has at least as much credibility as Trump.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
The issue is Comey. He has been compromised and needs to be replaced.
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For what accusation? The wiretapping or the Russia stuff?
Everything...I will post the transcript when it is available
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure
The issue is Comey. He has been compromised and needs to be replaced.
I'm inclined to agree with that. We have about 3,000 threads dedicated to the "Trump Wars," this one should be about Comey.
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If Trump has been lying I don't see how he gets away with this...
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure
The issue is Comey. He has been compromised and needs to be replaced.
Nope, the issue is integrity in government and neither side has integrity.
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If Trump has been lying I don't see how he gets away with this...
I suspect it's not so much "lying," in the planned, scheming Clintonian sense, than it is "making things up," in the 5th-grade sense.
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I suspect it's not so much "lying," in the planned, scheming Clintonian sense, than it is "making things up," in the 5th-grade sense.
Oh he's a liar alright but like the democrats, he has the advantage of blind supporters who are perfectly OK with his lying.
He can get away with lying to the press and lying to the people but in the end its the on the record official lying that will take him down. In a sense it will be the fault of his own supporters because their complicity has only served to encourage him.
They knew he was a dishonest and immoral man all along. Its the whole reason they promised that they would keep him in line. Obviously keeping him in line gave way to making excuses and calling all opposition "liberals and democrats".
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Trump made an unfounded accusation without evidence. It's up to him to prove the charges.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
@mystery-ak
@Cripplecreek
He has been uncontrolled since he physically attacked his music teacher when he was in the fifth grade. He left the physical attacking and went to verbal destruction of others with lies and has done that all his adult life, the record is there, and he won't stop lying and destroying others, plus he is vindictive and will keep trying to destroy someone for years. There has been chaos every day since he took office and it will continue every day for the next four years. His life record is there and it is folly to think he would change - instead he will dig in to prove to himself he is better than anyone on earth - he will never be able to prove that to himself since (it is my opinion) he has felt inadequate all his life.
Someone should insist, yea, make him, stop twitting. He will bring himself totally down if he does not stop. At some point, it will be an impeachable offense that can't be talked away, can't be fixed, and the Republicans will have to do it. Don't start with the , "You hate him." The truth is, he hates himself.
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He will bring himself totally down if he does not stop. At some point, it will be an impeachable offense that can't be talked away, can't be fixed, and the Republicans will have to do it.
That is exactly my fear.
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lol. This comment is a perfect representation of the mindset of the nut bar left.
WTF seems a lot more articulate when you have him on ignore.
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If Trump has been lying I don't see how he gets away with this...
What do you think should happen and what do you think will happen. There are a lot more liars floating around this hearing than Trump.
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Not when the same guy admitted that Trump's opponent in the election was guilty as hell, yet he refused to 'go after' her and instead, let her off the hook....as he knew damned well that Obama's Department of Injustice would never prosecute. Comey has already identified himself as a partisan whore. The only thing yet to be determined is his price.
He's probably pretty cheap.
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure
@mystery-ak
@Cripplecreek
He has been uncontrolled since he physically attacked his music teacher when he was in the fifth grade. He left the physical attacking and went to verbal destruction of others with lies and has done that all his adult life, the record is there, and he won't stop lying and destroying others, plus he is vindictive and will keep trying to destroy someone for years. There has been chaos every day since he took office and it will continue every day for the next four years. His life record is there and it is folly to think he would change - instead he will dig in to prove to himself he is better than anyone on earth - he will never be able to prove that to himself since (it is my opinion) he has felt inadequate all his life.
Someone should insist, yea, make him, stop twitting. He will bring himself totally down if he does not stop. At some point, it will be an impeachable offense that can't be talked away, can't be fixed, and the Republicans will have to do it. Don't start with the , "You hate him." The truth is, he hates himself.
I'm sure that everyone in the close Trump circle is praying (if they pray) that Trump stop tweeting and shut up but apparently, there is no way to stop him.
I'm trying very hard to cut him some slack because I hate his enemies so much more than I hate him ...but he makes it hard.
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What do you think should happen and what do you think will happen. There are a lot more liars floating around this hearing than Trump.
The whole wiretapping thing was a self inflicted wound. Trump shoots his mouth off and then everyone under him has to scramble to deal with it. To explain what he really meant, etc. The solution is for Trump to shut up and put together a reasoned position before opening his mouth. I don't think he's capable of that, and it has been demonstrated over and over again. In his view it got this far, why stop now... I expect 4 years of chaos if he makes it that far.
I'll add, that when his underlings are forced to defend the indefensible they bury their credibility along with his.
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If Trump has been lying I don't see how he gets away with this...
IMO Trump is guilty of nothing more than expressing himself in the kind of terms the average guy would - 'Obama wiretapped me' - when a man in his position should be far more judicious with his words.
We already know the DOJ and several other agencies sought and received permission to surveil elements within the Trump campaign.
Whether or not it can be proven that Obama did the ordering (though it'll probably never be proven its a very good bet he personally knew, and it wouldn't be the first time an administration were referred to simply by the name of it's president) and that Trump personally was 'wiretapped' Mission Impossible style is just media subterfuge.
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The whole wiretapping thing was a self inflicted wound. Trump shoots his mouth off and then everyone under him has to scramble to deal with it. To explain what he really meant, etc. The solution is for Trump to shut up and put together a reasoned position before opening his mouth. I don't think he's capable of that, and it has been demonstrated over and over again. In his view it got this far, why stop now... I expect 4 years of chaos if he makes it that far.
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Someone should insist, yea, make him, stop twitting. He will bring himself totally down if he does not stop. At some point, it will be an impeachable offense that can't be talked away, can't be fixed, and the Republicans will have to do it. Don't start with the , "You hate him." The truth is, he hates himself.
He may very well bring himself down but unless he actually threatens physical harm I don't see any impeachable offense through tweeting.
Although I agree with your larger point that he needs to stop.
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IMO Trump is guilty of nothing more than expressing himself in the kind of terms the average guy would - 'Obama wiretapped me' - when a man in his position should be far more judicious with his words.
We already know the DOJ and several other agencies sought and received permission to surveil elements within the Trump campaign.
Whether or not it can be proven that Obama did the ordering (though it'll probably never be proven its a very good bet he personally knew, and it wouldn't be the first time an administration were referred to simply by the name of it's president) and that Trump personally was 'wiretapped' Mission Impossible style is just media subterfuge.
I am sure that is what happened..but he isn't the average guy and every word he says/tweets is taken seriously.
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I don't think this is an example of Trump lying. I think he has a lot of confidence in his own opinions, and shoots from the hip before he knows all the details. Frequently that works out for him. This time - maybe not.
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I don't think this is an example of Trump lying. I think he has a lot of confidence in his own opinions, and shoots from the hip before he knows all the details. Frequently that works out for him. This time - maybe not.
I totally agree with you. This is just Trump ...he heard something, he believed it, he tweeted.
People are either gonna start ignoring that or getting all het up about it.
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IMO Trump is guilty of nothing more than expressing himself in the kind of terms the average guy would - 'Obama wiretapped me' - when a man in his position should be far more judicious with his words.
We already know the DOJ and several other agencies sought and received permission to surveil elements within the Trump campaign.
Whether or not it can be proven that Obama did the ordering (though it'll probably never be proven its a very good bet he personally knew, and it wouldn't be the first time an administration were referred to simply by the name of it's president) and that Trump personally was 'wiretapped' Mission Impossible style is just media subterfuge.
He's not an "average guy". He's the most powerful man in the world and with that go great responsibilities. Dan Rather's fake but accurate is not a suitable standard.
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I totally agree with you. This is just Trump ...he heard something, he believed it, he tweeted.
People are either gonna start ignoring that or getting all het up about it.
And, hopefully he will learn that the "devil is in the details" and make sure he can back up what he says BEFORE he says it.
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It seems it's even becoming a joke with foreign heads of state.
Iraqi prime minister jokes with Trump about wiretaps
By Jordan Fabian - 03/20/17 03:35 PM EDT
Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi on Monday joked with President Trump about his explosive wiretapping allegation during their first-ever White House meeting.
After reporters shouted questions about wiretaps, Abadi grabbed Trump's arm and said, "We had nothing to do with the wiretap.”
Trump did not respond to Abadi, nor did he answer the journalists' questions.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/324837-iraqi-prime-minister-jokes-with-trump-about-wiretaps (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/324837-iraqi-prime-minister-jokes-with-trump-about-wiretaps)
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Rush.....with all the leaks how come no real evidence has ever been leaked.
Exactly. If they had anything, it would already be 'out there'. They got nothing.
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And, hopefully he will learn that the "devil is in the details" and make sure he can back up what he says BEFORE he says it.
You mean like how he said Cruz' dad was involved with Kennedy's assassination? The list of these sort of things is long... He spews crap because it works for him. Because it usually injures his opponents and that's all that matters to him. His need to win exceeds the need for truth.
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You mean like how he said Cruz' dad was involved with Kennedy's assassination? The list of these sort of things is long... He spews crap because it works for him. Because it usually injures his opponents and that's all that matters to him. His need to win exceeds the need for truth.
:thumbsup:
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You mean like how he said Cruz' dad was involved with Kennedy's assassination? The list of these sort of things is long... He spews crap because it works for him. Because it usually injures his opponents and that's all that matters to him. His need to win exceeds the need for truth.
No, the Cruz' dad thing was an outright lie, in my opinion. He crossed the line big-time there.
That's one of many problems with being disinterested in facts and details and relying on one's self to be the arbiter of truth - you will inevitably cross the line and go into outright lying.
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No, the Cruz' dad thing was an outright lie, in my opinion. He crossed the line big-time there.
That's one of many problems with being disinterested in facts and details and relying on one's self to be the arbiter of truth - you will inevitably cross the line and go into outright lying.
Well I think in his mind he was just repeating what was in the Inquirer... He loves the "some people are saying ... but I'm not saying ..." line to say it without "saying it"... And when someone has little or no regard for the truth because it suits their purposes at the time, I don't understand why some people think he'll just stop doing it or that he has any credibility left.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
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You mean like how he said Cruz' dad was involved with Kennedy's assassination? The list of these sort of things is long... He spews crap because it works for him. Because it usually injures his opponents and that's all that matters to him. His need to win exceeds the need for truth.
And I believe it was his good buddy at the National Enquirer that led with the lie in the first place. Almost like it was a requested "expose" (lie).
The politics of personal destruction and dirty tactics is usually a leftist Democrat strategy. One that liberals use as a general rule (all is fair in love, war and politiks).
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Well I think in his mind he was just repeating what was in the Inquirer... He loves the "some people are saying ... but I'm not saying ..." line to say it without "saying it"... And when someone has little or no regard for the truth because it suits their purposes at the time, I don't understand why some people think he'll just stop doing it or that he has any credibility left.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
No, he doesn't have credibility - that's why I give him credit for what he does right and denounce him for the things he does wrong. He's on a case-by-case basis.
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Someone should insist, yea, make him, stop twitting.
You'd think his staff would insist, or would find another line of work, or would at least refuse to answer questions from the media. They beclown themselves when they try to explain his tweets.
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No, he doesn't have credibility - that's why I give him credit for what he does right and denounce him for the things he does wrong. He's on a case-by-case basis.
Exactly
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And I believe it was his good buddy at the National Enquirer that led with the lie in the first place. Almost like it was a requested "expose" (lie).
The politics of personal destruction and dirty tactics is usually a leftist Democrat strategy. One that liberals use as a general rule (all is fair in love, war and politiks).
I believe you are correct.
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No, he doesn't have credibility - that's why I give him credit for what he does right and denounce him for the things he does wrong. He's on a case-by-case basis.
IOW, like any other foul politician. Well, he did choose to wallow in that muck, so he has earned the disdain he receives. It's a bit of a lateral move, if you will, from being a real estate tycoon to being a politician, neither up nor down. And yes, he's on a case-by-case basis. Good analogy.
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No, he doesn't have credibility - that's why I give him credit for what he does right and denounce him for the things he does wrong. He's on a case-by-case basis.
I agree with that with this caveat, I'll give him credit when he actually achieves doing some things right. Got to actually do it to get credit. Talk and action are not the same thing, particularly with Trump.
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Comey has been loved by Conservatives and hated by Conservatives.
Comey has been loved by liberals and hated by liberals.
As best I can tell, that's a good endorsement.
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What's amazing about all this is that it's entirely Trump's own fault and was 100% unnecessary. Trump hasn't even had a major crisis yet.
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Comey has been loved by Conservatives and hated by Conservatives.
Comey has been loved by liberals and hated by liberals.
As best I can tell, that's a good endorsement.
Depends on why he's loved and hated by both sides. Being hated by both sides is not the best endorsement for somebody who isn't supposed to be on one.
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He's not an "average guy". He's the most powerful man in the world and with that go great responsibilities. Dan Rather's fake but accurate is not a suitable standard.
I did not mean to imply that Trump's less than accurate characterizations are acceptable - if not controlled it will hobble his administration for sure - but on the other hand lets not imply that some earth shaking impeachable offense was committed here. Its small potatoes. Very small.
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I'm sure that everyone in the close Trump circle is praying (if they pray) that Trump stop tweeting and shut up but apparently, there is no way to stop him.
I'm trying very hard to cut him some slack because I hate his enemies so much more than I hate him ...but he makes it hard.
I learned the hard way -- ironically with a different narcissist named Donald -- that it's time to say "enough" when you realize you're making excuses for the inexcusable. This isn't some jerk who screwed up on the lawn mowing.... this is the President of the United States. Time to stop cutting him slack.
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No, he doesn't have credibility - that's why I give him credit for what he does right and denounce him for the things he does wrong. He's on a case-by-case basis.
You realize you're saying this about the President of the United States, right? Presidents aren't supposed to be judged on a case-by-case basis -- they're too powerful and therefore too dangerous for that.
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You realize you're saying this about the President of the United States, right? Presidents aren't supposed to be judged on a case-by-case basis -- they're too powerful and therefore too dangerous for that.
Really? And, since he IS the pres., what is it you suggest doing?
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You realize you're saying this about the President of the United States, right? Presidents aren't supposed to be judged on a case-by-case basis -- they're too powerful and therefore too dangerous for that.
Lol.... we're 3 months into his first term... what options do we have? :shrug:
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Really? And, since he IS the pres., what is it you suggest doing?
Stop making excuses for him, for one thing.
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And, hopefully he will learn that the "devil is in the details" and make sure he can back up what he says BEFORE he says it.
I thought for a while that he was learning. He did super well on his address to the congress. I think we are kidding ourselves if we think he will stop doing what he does.
Off subject but I heard the press secretary say "very, very" this morning. He must have been hanging out with Trump.
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Stop making excuses for him, for one thing.
Who, on this thread has made excuses for him and where?
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Lol.... we're 3 months into his first term... what options do we have? :shrug:
Ghastly, isn't it?
About the only options available involve praying for the scales to fall from the eyes of his blind defenders.....
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You'd think his staff would insist, or would find another line of work, or would at least refuse to answer questions from the media. They beclown themselves when they try to explain his tweets.
Political people don't find "another line of work." They cannot stop him unless they tie him to a chair. My advice to them is to just say, I don't comment on Trump's tweets."
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Really? And, since he IS the pres., what is it you suggest doing?
There are a few I've seen suggest simply hating every single thing he does is the right thing to do, no matter what.
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Who, on this thread has made excuses for him and where?
Don't play that game with me, Sanguine. You know very well there is a coterie of his fanbois and fangurlz on this forum who excuse and cheer for everything Trump does.
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Comey has been loved by Conservatives and hated by Conservatives.
Comey has been loved by liberals and hated by liberals.
As best I can tell, that's a good endorsement.
Comey should be worshipped and adored by Hillary. He found her to be a really good person.
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Ghastly, isn't it?
About the only options available involve praying for the scales to fall from the eyes of his blind defenders.....
I have literally never seen anything like this. I don't think anybody has.
I have no idea where we will be in one year.
I do know that the way it is going is just not sustainable. Trump will break or we will.
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There are a few I've seen suggest simply hating every single thing he does is the right thing to do, no matter what.
Really? Can you show me an example?
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Don't play that game with me, Sanguine. You know very well there is a coterie of his fanbois and fangurlz on this forum who excuse and cheer for everything Trump does.
There are indeed two sides here, along with a big gulf in the middle. Both sides swear TBR is an echo chamber for the other side, and declare the Mods are biased that way too. Woe.
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Really? Can you show me an example?
Well, you could make a pretty good start by examining your own posts. Pick one, any one.
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I learned the hard way -- ironically with a different narcissist named Donald -- that it's time to say "enough" when you realize you're making excuses for the inexcusable. This isn't some jerk who screwed up on the lawn mowing.... this is the President of the United States. Time to stop cutting him slack.
That's your opinion. But it's not mine. We've known Trump's faults in excruciating detail for about a year now. But he is the current Republican president and, as such, on our side (in a way).
So, I'm not ready to crucify him over his personal idiosyncracies right now.
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Well, you could make a pretty good start by examining your own posts. Pick one, any one.
Show me where I said simply hating every single thing he does is the right thing to do.
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I have literally never seen anything like this. I don't think anybody has.
I disagree. We have seen it before. The old saying is correct: "History repeats ... first as tragedy, then as farce."
Obama was the tragedy. Trump is the farce.
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Show me where I said simply hating every single thing he does is the right thing to do.
It would be a lot easier if you would simply tell us one single, solitary thing he's done that you approve of.
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That's your opinion. But it's not mine. We've known Trump's faults in excruciating detail for about a year now.
It's one thing to know about his faults. It's quite another for the President of the United States continually to give rein to them.
But he is the current Republican president and, as such, on our side (in a way).
Does it bother you to say that it's OK for the President of the United States to act this way, just because of his political party?
So, I'm not ready to crucify him over his personal idiosyncrasies right now.
Your or my personal idiosyncrasies don't start wars or cause political crises. Trump is succeeding admirably at the latter, and we're left to hope he can somehow avoid the former.
Just remember what I said: it's time to say "enough" when you realize you're making excuses for the inexcusable.
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Don't play that game with me, Sanguine. You know very well there is a coterie of his fanbois and fangurlz on this forum who excuse and cheer for everything Trump does.
So, nothing specific, relevant, or necessarily applicable to this thread.
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So, nothing specific, relevant, or necessarily applicable to this thread.
Passive aggressive -- cute.
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I disagree. We have seen it before. The old saying is correct: "History repeats ... first as tragedy, then as farce."
Obama was the tragedy. Trump is the farce.
So true. If only Obama had been a clown like Trump is and not hidden his treachery in a calm, pleasant demeanor ....
If 'ifs' and 'buts' were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.
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Passive aggressive -- cute.
You probably shouldn't use terms you don't understand.
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It's one thing to know about his faults. It's quite another for the President of the United States continually to give rein to them.
Does it bother you to say that it's OK for the President of the United States to act this way, just because of his political party?
Your or my personal idiosyncrasies don't start wars or cause political crises. Trump is succeeding admirably at the latter, and we're left to hope he can somehow avoid the former.
Just remember what I said: it's time to say "enough" when you realize you're making excuses for the inexcusable.
Well, let me known when your opinion of Trump or your posts on TBR have any effect on the real world.
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I disagree. We have seen it before. The old saying is correct: "History repeats ... first as tragedy, then as farce."
Obama was the tragedy. Trump is the farce.
"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." - Karl Marx
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You probably shouldn't use terms you don't understand.
Ah, yes. Well, you are just very cute.
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Ah, yes. Well, you are just very cute.
Now, that's a good example of passive-aggressive. Well done!
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Well, let me known when your opinion of Trump or your posts on TBR have any effect on the real world.
My point is that some people here recoil in horror if I post any kind of defense of Trump as if I owe it to your or the world to be horrified by some of the things he says and does.
I don't.
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It would be a lot easier if you would simply tell us one single, solitary thing he's done that you approve of.
There's a lot of stuff Trump's done that I like. I liked his USSC nomination, his cabinet nominations, immigration crackdown, his speech...