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[DCPatriot]

No, you're not.  You are pushing an agenda based on a false narrative.  And when your false premise has been challenged, you have repeated it.

I will ask again.  Can you produce a single shred of evidence showing that Netanyahu knew of or was informed of the Oct 7 attack before it happened?  If you were simply reporting the 'news' [sic] without bias, then you would not hesitate to acknowledge the challenge.  But the truth of the matter is that you do have bias.  And that you don't care about whether or not the narrative is true as long as it supports your bias.

Lighten up, Francis...

LOL!  We could all say the same thing about your years long Ukraine/Russian war threads.

[Hoodat]

Lighten up, Francis...

LOL!  We could all say the same thing about your years long Ukraine/Russian war threads.

Sure, you could say it.  That is if I had done the same thing.  I didn't.

But to be clear, I welcome any and all accountability for anything I post.  If you wish to question or challenge anything I post, I will gladly extend you the courtesy of responding directly to your inquiry, @DCPatriot .  I think you pretty much know that already about me.

[DCPatriot]

Sure, you could say it.  That is if I had done the same thing.  I didn't.

But to be clear, I welcome any and all accountability for anything I post.  If you wish to question or challenge anything I post, I will gladly extend you the courtesy of responding directly to your inquiry, @DCPatriot .  I think you pretty much know that already about me.

Yes I do, @Hoodat 

Merely asking you to afford @Right_in_Virginia  the same courtesy.

Accusing her of "lying" is puerile.

[Hoodat]

My words were, "it sickens me to see lies posted on these boards".

I stand by those words.

[Right_in_Virginia]

You are pushing an agenda based on a false narrative. 

And when your false premise has been challenged, you have repeated it.

Nope.  The only thing I'm pushing is for Netanyahu to stop blocking an independent state inquiry into the lead up to Oct 7 because Israel can only fix what it knows broke. ---- ---   And BTW,  a challenge, interesting as it may be, is not the final word on a subject. 

My posts present issues Israeli voters are seriously grappling with and passionately debating --- during this election run-up.

But, the debate isn't for everyone.  Some folks seem to be more comfortable with waiting for concise results at the end of an intense investigation.  I think you're probably in this group @Hoodat    Others prefer to watch the puzzle come together as information moves from a trickle to a gusher, as is starting to happen now.  You'll find me in this group --- front row. 

Our focus and styles are different.  Mine will continue to enrage you and yours will continue to annoy me.  And, this is okay --- so, leave it be.

 

[Lando Lincoln]

@Lando Lincoln
Thank you, sir.   You are spot on.

Thank you @Hoodat for the compliment. I guess the muse was upon me. This topic is an important one and it was my effort to straighten out a couple zigs and zags. Afterwards, I had hoped didn’t overstep.

[Right_in_Virginia]

This topic is an important one and it was my effort to straighten out a couple zigs and zags. Afterwards, I had hoped didn’t overstep.

Overstep how @Lando Lincoln ?

[Luis Gonzalez]

Nope.  The only thing I'm pushing is for Netanyahu to stop blocking an independent state inquiry into the lead up to Oct 7 because Israel can only fix what it knows broke. ---- ---   And BTW,  a challenge, interesting as it may be, is not the final word on a subject. 

My posts present issues Israeli voters are seriously grappling with and passionately debating --- during this election run-up.

But, the debate isn't for everyone.  Some folks seem to be more comfortable with waiting for concise results at the end of an intense investigation.  I think you're probably in this group @Hoodat    Others prefer to watch the puzzle come together as information moves from a trickle to a gusher, as is starting to happen now.  You'll find me in this group --- front row. 

Our focus and styles are different.  Mine will continue to enrage you and yours will continue to annoy me.  And, this is okay --- so, leave it be.

 

There have already been investigations into October 7. The IDF has conducted and published multiple inquiries, and the State Comptroller has conducted investigations into failures surrounding October 7 as well. That work has been extensive and is ongoing. (IDF)

So the claim that Netanyahu is “blocking an investigation” is wrong. He is not blocking Israel from investigating October 7. He is opposing **one particular mechanism**, the traditional State Commission of Inquiry, and his government has proposed a different mechanism for a comprehensive investigation. The Knesset has actually advanced legislation for a different state-national commission with a different method of selecting its members. (Knesset)

And the courts have not ordered Netanyahu to establish the traditional commission. The High Court just postponed its decision on that question until after the October 27 election and gave the government until January 15, 2027, to report how it intends to investigate the October 7 failures. Times of Israel

There is also a political reality here. Much of the pressure for this particular commission is coming from Netanyahu's political opponents, who have made it a major political issue. Families of victims and others are also demanding it. The existence of that political campaign doesn't turn it into evidence that Netanyahu is preventing Israel from investigating what happened. (Times of Israel)

And then there are the claims that Netanyahu **knew** about October 7 beforehand. That's where the rhetoric really outruns the evidence. There are reports alleging that Egyptian and UAE officials warned Netanyahu before the attack. Netanyahu denies receiving those warnings, and the UAE has itself rejected the claim that its president personally warned him. Even reporting that supports the existence of Egyptian warnings says the warning did not specify the date or targets of an attack. (WSJ)

So no, an allegation from unnamed sources isn't a receipt. If someone claims Netanyahu knew Hamas was going to attack on October 7 and deliberately did nothing, the burden is on them to produce evidence establishing what he was told, when he was told it, and what he understood from it. **An allegation is not a finding, and an unnamed source is not proof.

So let's keep the facts straight: Israel is investigating October 7. Investigations are ongoing. Netanyahu is opposing a particular form of commission, not stopping Israel from investigating the attack. The High Court has deferred its decision on that particular commission until after the election. And the claim that Netanyahu knew the attack was coming remains an allegation, not an established fact.

You can Google me if you want to check any of this. The information is out there.

It seems to me that for someone so interested in the “truth,” you keep posting all kinds of lies.

Why is that? What is your personal connection to all of this?

Why do you hate Bibi?

[Right_in_Virginia]

There have already been investigations into October 7. The IDF has conducted and published multiple inquiries, and the State Comptroller has conducted investigations into failures surrounding October 7 as well. That work has been extensive and is ongoing.

The military and civilian security agency performed their individual investigations.  But, much of the findings have not been published at the request of the Netanyahu administration because, you know, because of the war and everything. 

What Netanyahu is blocking is what needs most to happen:  an independent inquiry where the agenda and witness selection is set by the independent Commission, not the Prime Minister.  This commission would present findings that integrate the information from the military, security and political branches --- forming a type of 360° panorama of what did and did not happen leading to, during and right after the attack.

Israel's highest investigative authority is an independent state commission of inquiry typically led by a retired Supreme Court judge. Netanyahu has continued to resist calls from survivors, bereaved families, and former security chiefs to set up such a panel, arguing instead that a court-appointed body would be biased against his government and favoring a political or lawmaker-appointed panel instead.(he and his administration)

Critics, opposition politicians, and former intelligence officials— including former Shin Bet chief Ronen Bar—have accused Netanyahu of personally blocking or delaying the probe to evade personal accountability for the security lapses. So do "regular" Israeli citizens.

So the claim that Netanyahu is “blocking an investigation” is wrong. He is not blocking Israel from investigating October 7.

No, it's not wrong.  See my previous post 🔼

The High Court just postponed its decision on that question until after the October 27 election and gave the government until January 15, 2027, to report how it intends to investigate the October 7 failures.

Yes, I know.  And, I'm furious Netanyahu won this battle and can continue to block (postpone) this sweeping, independent inquiry until after the election --- when it is a central question in the election and an open wound for the Israeli citizen, including those now living abroad.

There is also a political reality here. Much of the pressure for this particular commission is coming from Netanyahu's political opponents, who have made it a major political issue. Families of victims and others are also demanding it.

Of course politics comes into  play, especially the closer we get to Oct 27.  But, the people have been demanding this independent inquiry for three years, loudly and persistently.  Netanyahu continues to run from this ---

And then there are the claims that Netanyahu **knew** about October 7 beforehand. That's where the rhetoric really outruns the evidence. There are reports alleging that Egyptian and UAE officials warned Netanyahu before the attack. Netanyahu denies receiving those warnings.

There's no doubt Netanyahu received warnings from Egypt and the UAE, --- they did not want the neighborhood dragged into another war as collateral damage.  Shin Bet and the IDF warned both in writing and at meetings for more than a year that an attack was coming.  Hell, they could hear the tunnels being built and extended (IDF named it the Gaza Metro) and using a $10 pair of binoculars they could watch Hamas military training in real time.

Netanyahu didn't know the time and day, but he knew something was coming.  In late Sep 2023, he authorized another payment from Qatar to Hamas, as was recommended.  Mossad agents delivered it.

Netanyahu was so sure this payment would soothe the Hamas beast, he moved several IDF units from the Gaza border to the West Bank right before the attack --- leaving swaths of Israeli territory vulnerable and the people on their own.

It seems to me that for someone so interested in the “truth,” you keep posting all kinds of lies.

Wow.  Had I read this 🔼 first, my entire response would have been "GFY".  But, too late now.   


So, I'll just leave the full post here.  Others passing through may find it interesting.

But, to quote you from the other evening:  "We're done".  This time, make it so.

[Lando Lincoln]

Overstep how @Lando Lincoln ?

The truth?  I was concerned that rather than simply adding the points I felt were necessary, I’d plunge the thread into a snarkfest. That’s all. Thanks for not responding that way.

[Free Vulcan]

Alot of claims, assertions, and emotionally manipulative rhetoric from the true  believers in the media - but not alot of hard proof.

And trust me, I've questioned how the greatest intelligence service on the planet could not have known what their neighbors were doing, but I've seen no proof of that they ignored hard warnings of imminent danger.

[Luis Gonzalez]

The military and civilian security agency performed their individual investigations.  But, much of the findings have not been published at the request of the Netanyahu administration because, you know, because of the war and everything. 

What Netanyahu is blocking is what needs most to happen:  an independent inquiry where the agenda and witness selection is set by the independent Commission, not the Prime Minister.  This commission would present findings that integrate the information from the military, security and political branches --- forming a type of 360° panorama of what did and did not happen leading to, during and right after the attack.

Israel's highest investigative authority is an independent state commission of inquiry typically led by a retired Supreme Court judge. Netanyahu has continued to resist calls from survivors, bereaved families, and former security chiefs to set up such a panel, arguing instead that a court-appointed body would be biased against his government and favoring a political or lawmaker-appointed panel instead.(he and his administration)

Critics, opposition politicians, and former intelligence officials— including former Shin Bet chief Ronen Bar—have accused Netanyahu of personally blocking or delaying the probe to evade personal accountability for the security lapses. So do "regular" Israeli citizens.

No, it's not wrong.  See my previous post 🔼

Yes, I know.  And, I'm furious Netanyahu won this battle and can continue to block (postpone) this sweeping, independent inquiry until after the election --- when it is a central question in the election and an open wound for the Israeli citizen, including those now living abroad.

Of course politics comes into  play, especially the closer we get to Oct 27.  But, the people have been demanding this independent inquiry for three years, loudly and persistently.  Netanyahu continues to run from this ---

There's no doubt Netanyahu received warnings from Egypt and the UAE, --- they did not want the neighborhood dragged into another war as collateral damage.  Shin Bet and the IDF warned both in writing and at meetings for more than a year that an attack was coming.  Hell, they could hear the tunnels being built and extended (IDF named it the Gaza Metro) and using a $10 pair of binoculars they could watch Hamas military training in real time.

Netanyahu didn't know the time and day, but he knew something was coming.  In late Sep 2023, he authorized another payment from Qatar to Hamas, as was recommended.  Mossad agents delivered it.

Netanyahu was so sure this payment would soothe the Hamas beast, he moved several IDF units from the Gaza border to the West Bank right before the attack --- leaving swaths of Israeli territory vulnerable and the people on their own.


Wow.  Had I read this 🔼 first, my entire response would have been "GFY".  But, too late now.   


So, I'll just leave the full post here.  Others passing through may find it interesting.

But, to quote you from the other evening:  "We're done".  This time, make it so.

I've read your response carefully. You're not merely arguing for an investigation. You're arguing a prosecution before the investigation has happened.

You're asserting as established fact that Netanyahu knew an attack was coming, ignored warnings, funded Hamas knowing what was coming, moved troops away from Gaza because of that knowledge, left civilians exposed, and is now blocking an investigation to escape accountability.

That's a hell of a list of accusations. BUT WHERE IS THE PROOF?

Your argument repeatedly follows the same pattern:

A fact or allegation → your interpretation → a conclusion about Netanyahu's motives → certainty.

“Netanyahu opposes the commission” becomes “he's running from it.”

Opposition becomes “he's trying to evade personal accountability.”

Reports of warnings become “there's no doubt he knew.”

("No doubt"? Hell... I have all sorts of doubts. So does everyone else here.)

Qatari funding becomes “he was sure it would soothe the Hamas beast.”

Troop movements become “he left swaths of Israel on their own.”

Those are YOUR OWN conclusions—not established facts.

And that's where your demand for an independent inquiry runs into a contradiction.

You want a commission to determine what Netanyahu knew, when he knew it, what he did, why he did it, and what responsibility he bears.

Yet you've already decided all of those questions.

You're essentially saying, “We know what happened; now we need an investigation to make it official.”

That's backward.

An independent inquiry is supposed to establish what happened, including facts that may contradict the conclusion you started with. It isn't supposed to validate a predetermined narrative.

And your own language makes the distinction pretty clear:

“Running from this.”

“Evade personal accountability.”

“So sure.”

“Hamas beast.”

“Left the people on their own.”

“There is no doubt.”

Those are advocacy statements, not findings.

Don't write the verdict into the premises and then call the resulting argument an investigation.

So investigate October 7. Investigate Netanyahu, the cabinet, the IDF, Shin Bet, Mossad, the warnings, the intelligence failures and the decisions.

Then establish responsibility from the findings. Don't decide the verdict first and call the investigation afterward.

And no, we're done when I say we're done.

[Sighlass]

“Left the people on their own"

Nitpick reply... like I often do...

But one could argue their liberal policy of not allowing people to own guns (and ammo) did in a round about way leave them defensive. It sorta changed after the attack (little late I would say), but I understand they (government liberal policies) still are butts about the small amount of ammo you can get. It is joke you can only own 100 rounds now (use to be only 50)... The hoops you have to navigate to get a gun is a joke.

Yeah, Israel should of allowed it's citizens better protection.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The truth?  I was concerned that rather than simply adding the points I felt were necessary, I’d plunge the thread into a snarkfest. That’s all. Thanks for not responding that way.

You're welcome. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Alot of claims, assertions, and emotionally manipulative rhetoric from the true  believers in the media - but not alot of hard proof.

All the more reasons for an independent inquiry.  Clear the smoke, see how big the fire is, show how it started and how to put it out.

[Lando Lincoln]

The brother writes circles around me without even trying. 

Not today, not tomorrow, not ever. But thanks. 

[Luis Gonzalez]

All the more reasons for an independent inquiry.  Clear the smoke, see how big the fire is, show how it started and how to put it out.

You want to launch an inquiry based on a predetermined verdict that lives mostly on your mind, so that you can dig for shit, then you get flippant “ eat and all that…”

They stared the war. Israel is trying to figure out whether or not the war should be ended, and the question already has a decision from the courts. Yes they will… later.

Still in here doing your Tehran Tulip gig. How fifth column of you.

[mystery-ak]

I think this thread has run it's course...

[Cyber Liberty]

I think this thread has run it's course...

I concur. Thread locked.