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Revealed: Netanyahu Received an Explicit Warning Days Before Oct. 7. He Didn't Brief Israel's Security Chiefs
Harretz. Sep 8, 2026

These were the final days of September 2023. Terrorist attacks inflamed the West Bank, masses of Gazans regularly protested at the border fence, and the country was reeling from internal conflict over the judicial coup laws. Anyone watching the events with clear eyes could sense that an escalation was lurking around every corner.

UAE President Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed – known as MBZ – was particularly concerned. "He spoke with me about this often in the months leading up to the war," recounts President Isaac Herzog, who maintains friendly relations with bin Zayed. "He constantly conveyed messages that the situation needed to be defused. He even sent a special envoy to Israel who met with the prime minister. The emir seemed to sense that the area was on the verge of explosion."

But this time, the call initiated by bin Zayed was unusual. A week and a half before October 7, 2023 the Emirati ruler called Netanyahu from the Presidential Palace in Abu Dhabi and spoke with him for 45 minutes.


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Ex-defense minister Gallant says he didn’t know of alleged MBZ-Netanyahu warning, says PM could’ve hidden it
Times of Israel, Sep 9, 2026

Former defense minister Yoav Gallant says he was unaware of the alleged warning from UAE President Mohammed bin Zayed to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ahead of the October 7, 2023, Hamas-led attack, reported this week by Haaretz.

But Gallant, who led Israel’s defense establishment during the attack, said the premier could have kept such a conversation off the published records of his calls. The Haaretz report said Netanyahu received a warning of an attack days before October 7 but did not alert security brass of the attack.

"I don’t know whether there was such a conversation or not,” Gallant, whom Netanyahu fired the following year, says in an interview with Channel 12.  “I know one thing: When a prime minister does not want something to be published, it isn’t published. When they don’t want people to know, people don’t know,” he tells the Hebrew network, citing his experience as both a prime minister’s military secretary and defense minister.


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Netanyahu calls for criminal probe into journalists who reported UAE’s Oct. 7 warning, and his inaction
Times of Israel, Sep 9, 2026

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The party says, without citing evidence, that the journalist Shlomi Eldar, who broke the story about the conversation, “received payment from a left-wing nonprofit associated with Yair Golan’s Democrats party, to spread his blood libel.”

Netanyahu’s party also raises the possibility, again without evidence, that Golan and former Shin Bet chief Ronen Bar’s recent reported visit to the UAE could be connected to the Haaretz report.

“Likud demands the opening of a criminal investigation against Shlomi Eldar, Ruth Yuval, the newspaper Haaretz, Yair Golan, and the Democrats party,” says Netanyahu’s post, “due to suspicion of attempting to disrupt the elections with foreign entities.”


More:  https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-calls-for-criminal-probe-into-journalists-who-reported-uaes-oct-7-warning-and-his-inaction/ 

Well, here's the blood libel, but still no authorization for a State Commission of Inquiry into Oct 7, 2023.   :laugh:

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Morning Joe’ co-hosts have heated on-air shouting match over Israel: ‘Do I look stupid to you?’
New York Post, Sep 9, 2026

Joe Scarborough erupted at panelist Donny Deutsch during a heated on-air clash over a report that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was warned Hamas was planning a major attack shortly before the Oct. 7, 2023 massacre — at one point demanding, “Do I look stupid to you?”

The “Morning Joe” host grew visibly frustrated during the MS NOW broadcast on Wednesday as Deutsch repeatedly stressed Hamas’ responsibility for the slaughter while Scarborough pressed him over the explosive Haaretz report and Netanyahu’s handling of the alleged warning.  “Look at me in my eyes,” Scarborough told Deutsch. “Do you think that I’m going to be distracted by you saying what I’ve said a million times?”

Scarborough added that he had repeatedly called Hamas terrorists before demanding: “Now, can we talk about Netanyahu, or do you just not want to talk about him?”

Deutsch insisted he was not defending the Israeli leader.  “I don’t know what went down, and we don’t know,” Deutsch said.

“Does that not concern you?” Scarborough shot back. “We ask questions about 9/11. Are you willing to ask questions about Netanyahu?”


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RiV is at it again.  Some Jooo must have hurt you bad as a child.
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RiV is at it again.  Some Jooo must have hurt you bad as a child.

Nope --- although I appreciate your misplaced concern.   happy77

Besides, the report and collaboration is coming from Israeli government and security leadership (aka "some Joos") ---  from across the political spectrum.

Here's to living in interesting times @Wingnut   :beer:

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This is the same type of crap you would find on DU after 9/11.

*** Bush received explicit warnings about the airliner attack but didn't brief America ***

If I wanted to hear bullshit like this, I could find it on DU.
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This is the same type of crap you would find on DU after 9/11.

*** Bush received explicit warnings about the airliner attack but didn't brief America ***

If I wanted to hear bullshit like this, I could find it on DU.

Yeah, I’m not big on this kind of thing.

So what, Bush got VAGUE warnings.  Unless they suddenly clamped down all of airports with massive security, they wouldn’t know just exactly what or where or when.
Same with Israel.
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This is the same type of crap you would find on DU after 9/11.

*** Bush received explicit warnings about the airliner attack but didn't brief America ***

If I wanted to hear bullshit like this, I could find it on DU.

Here's the difference ... Bush didn't block a commission to investigate what happened leading to 911 .... both possible security and political failures.   Netanyahu has shut down any investigation and hasn't budged to date.

In addition to the warnings from Egypt and the UAE right before the attack, there are also credible reports of warnings during the year prior to the attack --- and credible reports of Netanyahu prisoner swap negotiations with Sinwar having gone sideways and more cash transfers to Hamas  ---- 

You can't fix what you don't know broke.   To this end, Netanyahu should get out of the way and let the State Commission of Inquiry sort this out.    And, quickly ---  Israelis are pretty upset about this.





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So what, Bush got VAGUE warnings.  Unless they suddenly clamped down all of airports with massive security, they wouldn’t know just exactly what or where or when.

Same with Israel.

Actually,  @the OlLine Rebel ----  some warnings predicted an attack along the 30 mile border between Israel and the Gaza Strip --- where the terrorists where filmed undergoing military training.   

Increased surveillance and IDF repositioning may have made a different outcome possible.





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'If only you had listened’: Oct. 7 families’ report accuses Netanyahu of enabling attack
Times of Israel, Sep 15, 2026

Victims of Hamas’s October 7, 2023, onslaught and relatives of those murdered or taken hostage unveiled a 12-page dossier on Tuesday that they say documents the policies and decisions that allowed the terror group to grow stronger during the 15 years preceding the massacre.

Benjamin Netanyahu served as prime minister for nearly all of that period, and speakers at a press conference presenting the document accused him and his successive governments of creating the conditions that enabled the attack while refusing to accept responsibility afterward.

Titled “Case 7/10,” the dossier draws on publicly available reports, testimony and statements to argue that the massacre was not merely the result of intelligence and operational failures in the hours preceding it, but the culmination of a years-long policy.

Its four sections examine decisions not to target senior Hamas leaders or launch decisive operations against the terror group; the transfer of Qatari funds that helped Hamas build its military infrastructure; warnings that the dossier says were ignored as part of a “calculated risk”; and what it describes as Netanyahu’s subsequent efforts to evade responsibility and shape public memory of the disaster.

The document concludes that no single decision caused the massacre, but that a consistent policy of containing Hamas, preserving its rule and allowing it to strengthen helped create the conditions for the attack. It acknowledges that the conduct of the Israel Defense Forces and intelligence agencies must also be investigated, while arguing that this does not diminish the political leadership’s responsibility.

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"We refuse to fall for this spin or to reduce the discussion of the failure to three hours on the morning of October 7,” said Zangauker, one of the most prominent campaigners for the hostages’ release.

She was referring to Netanyahu’s latest allegation that senior IDF and defense officials deliberately chose not to wake him in the hours before the attack because they knew he would place the entire military on alert. The accusation, for which he offered no evidence, marked an escalation from his previous claim that events would have unfolded differently had he been awakened.

Zangauker urged the public to read the dossier and demand accountability from those responsible for the failures surrounding the onslaught.

“Anyone who bore responsibility — anyone whose hand was on the steering wheel — must take responsibility and go home,” she said.

Noam Peri, whose father, Chaim Peri, 79, was abducted alive from Kibbutz Nir Oz and later murdered in Hamas captivity, lamented that no one had formally been held responsible for the disaster.

“Three years later, no one has been held accountable for their responsibility for the most horrifying military, security and political failure in our history,” she said. “A commission of inquiry has not even been established.



More:  https://www.timesofisrael.com/if-only-you-had-listened-oct-7-families-report-accuses-netanyahu-of-enabling-attack/





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An independent investigation into the events of Oct. 7 has not been conducted despite widespread demand. Traditionally, such an inquiry would be headed by a retired Supreme Court judge. The (Netanyahu) government has pushed back on this arrangement, however, seeing the judiciary as too powerful and questioning its fitness for the task.

Netanyahu has instead suggested a commission with members selected by his office.


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Speaking at a press conference announcing the release of a document listing government decisions preceding the attacks, Svirsky said the Israeli failure "was not merely a failure at a single moment. It was a choice to repeatedly ignore the warnings."

According to her, "For years, there were signs, warnings and Hamas operational plans: from the 'Jericho Wall' plan, through the warnings from the IDF spotters and an officer, to warnings from regional actors."

Noam Peri, the daughter of slain hostage Chaim Peri, said the Haaretz report shows Netanyahu "didn't want to hear the warnings, and the warnings were given. From within and from outside. From near and far, from Egypt and the Emirates."

Peri said officials involved in mediating the talks with Hamas told her in November and December 2023 that the group had offered to release the civilians it held captive in the first days of the war, "the elderly, women and children."

According to her, Israel "received it and did not respond to it at all. It was not among their priorities. My father and dozens of other hostages could have come back to us alive."

Gil Dickmann, whose cousin Carmel Gat was murdered in captivity, said the families "didn't come here to look for those to blame, but to prevent the next failure."

He added, "I am here on behalf of the next Carmel, on behalf of the hostages who have not yet been taken captive. On behalf of those who have not yet been murdered."


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🚨🇮🇱 GAZA INTELLIGENCE OFFICER FINALLY OUSTED FOR OCT. 7 FAILURES

Nearly three years after the Oct. 7 massacre, the IDF has formally terminated the service of Lt. Col. A., the Gaza Division intelligence officer at the time of the attack.

His failures went far beyond simply being in command when disaster struck.

Lt. Col. A. had access to Hamas’s detailed “Jericho Wall” invasion plan and received warnings from a Unit 8200 NCO that Hamas was training to carry it out. He reportedly dismissed the invasion scenario as “completely imaginary,” while the warnings failed to adequately reach the IDF’s top intelligence echelon.

On the night before the massacre, he reportedly arrived at Gaza Division headquarters without his personal weapon, went to sleep, did not wake combat teams and did not raise the sector’s alert level.

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Egyptian intelligence chief visited Israel days before Oct. 7 to issue security warning - report
Jerusalem Post, Sep 26, 2026

Egyptian intelligence chief Abbas Kamel secretly visited Israel just 11 days before the October 7 attack and delivered a warning that Hamas was preparing for a significant attack and that time to prevent further escalation was running out, an investigation by The Atlantic revealed on Saturday.

The investigation found that on September 26, 2023, as senior Israeli officials gathered in Jerusalem to mark the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur War, a chartered Cessna aircraft linked to Egyptian intelligence services landed at Ben-Gurion Airport. The aircraft stopped in an isolated area of the airport used, the report said, for sensitive diplomatic and security missions.

On board was Kamel, who at the time served as head of Egypt’s General Intelligence Service and was one of the closest figures to Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi. The aircraft reportedly remained in Israel for only 67 minutes before returning to Cairo, with The Atlantic saying that the timing appears in Israel Airports Authority flight logs and is also documented by independent flight-tracking services.

Israeli, Arab, American and European officials briefed after October 7 on the visit said Kamel warned that Hamas appeared to be preparing for a major attack, the report mentioned, adding that he urged Israel to take economic steps to reduce tensions in the Gaza Strip. A former Israeli official briefed on the meeting described the Egyptian message this way: “If you don’t change course, Gaza is going to explode in your face.”

Despite this, officials from seven countries who spoke with The Atlantic argued that the fact that the head of Egyptian intelligence personally traveled to Israel for such a short and urgent visit should have drawn the attention of Israel’s political and security leadership.

“The messenger was the message,” a former Israeli official said, adding that no scenario existed in which senior Israeli officials met with the head of Egyptian intelligence without Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu being aware of it.

The investigation noted that on the same day Kamel landed in Israel, Netanyahu attended a ceremony marking the anniversary of the Yom Kippur War. In his speech, he referred to the intelligence failure of 1973 and said Israel does not take any threat lightly. His public schedule showed that he later attended a classified briefing that day.


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Egypt's intelligence chief, Abbas Kamel, came to Israel 11 days before Hamas' October 7 massacre and delivered a warning that the armed group in Gaza was preparing for a major attack and that the window of opportunity to prevent a disaster was closing, The Atlantic reported on Friday.

According to the report, which cites Israeli, Egyptian, Arab, U.S. and European officials briefed on his visit, Kamel recommended that Israel grant Hamas economic concessions to prevent a confrontation. He warned that if Israel did not change its course, "Gaza is going to blow up in your faces," the report said, citing a former Israeli official later briefed on the visit.

The report notes that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, speaking at that very ceremony, described the 1973 surprise attack by Syria and Egypt as a cautionary tale of missed intelligence warnings and self-delusion. According to his public schedule, Netanyahu attended a classified meeting after the commemoration, and soon after approved some economic concessions to Hamas.
 
Netanyahu has denied previous reports that he was warned by Kamel, saying it was "a claim that was already debunked at the beginning of the war" and calling it "fake news."

The Yedioth Ahronoth daily reported on October 9, 2023, that Kamel spoke with Netanyahu in the days preceding October 7 and warned him of "something unusual, a terrifying operation" about to be launched by Hamas. An Egyptian intelligence official told Yedioth Ahronoth that Kamel was "amazed by the indifference" his warning was met with in Israel. According to the report, Netanyahu told Kamel, "In Gaza, we are in the picture, we are in control. Our problem is with the West Bank, and that's where we are also diverting forces."

On Friday, two sources, including a person who spoke directly with United Arab Emirates President Mohamed bin Zayed, confirmed to The New York Times that the Emirati leader warned Netanyahu of a "major attack" by Hamas shortly before October 7.

The report confirms a Haaretz exposé published earlier this month, according to which the Emirati president called Netanyahu in the days preceding October 7 and spoke with him for 45 minutes. He explicitly warned Netanyahu that Hamas leader in Gaza Yahya Sinwar was planning a major operation against Israel. Bin Zayed expressed concern that the event would lead to bloodshed and destabilize the entire region, undermining the Abraham Accords, and urged Netanyahu to take the matter seriously.


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Source: Netanyahu Secretly Visited UAE on Sunday, Met With Emirati Leader
The prime minister's visit, during which he met with Emirati President Mohamed bin Zayed, came amid fallout from Haaretz's report of the Emirati leader's pre-Oct. 7 warning
Haaretz, Sep 27, 2026

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visited the United Arab Emirates on Sunday and met with the country's president, Mohamed bin Zayed, amid fallout from Haaretz's exposé, according to which the Emirati leader warned Netanyahu days before October 7, 2023, that Hamas was planning an attack.

Sources close to senior Fatah official Mohammed Dahlan, who lives in the UAE, told Haaretz that Netanyahu and bin Zayed met at the airport. According to the sources, Netanyahu asked the Emirati president to deny reports of their phone conversation and any details concerning the events of October 7 that could embarrass him. Netanyahu also asked bin Zayed for what the sources described as "moral support."

According to the exposé published earlier this month, the Emirati president called Netanyahu about a week and a half before October 7 and spoke with him for 45 minutes. He explicitly warned Netanyahu that Hamas leader in Gaza Yahya Sinwar was planning a major operation against Israel. Bin Zayed expressed concern that the operation would lead to bloodshed and destabilize the entire region, undermining the Abraham Accords, and urged Netanyahu to take the matter seriously.

Netanyahu flatly rejected the report at the time, with his office calling the investigation an "absolute lie," and threatened to sue Haaretz and journalists Shlomi Eldar and Ruth Yuval over the report. "Prime Minister Netanyahu didn't speak to the president of the UAE during the period in question and received no warning from him," his response said. Haaretz said in response that it stands by its reporting.

On Saturday, two sources, including a person who spoke directly with United Arab Emirates President Mohamed bin Zayed, confirmed to The New York Times that the Emirati leader warned Netanyahu of a "major attack" by Hamas shortly before October 7.

A transcript of a meeting Netanyahu convened with senior security officials in early October 2023, obtained by the media, indicates that he told them an Israeli military operation in Gaza could jeopardize the prospects of Saudi Arabia establishing diplomatic relations with Israel, a development he believed was close.

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Netanyahu flew to the UAE to meet Emirati President Mohammed bin Zayed, source tells 'Post'
Jerusalem Post, Sep 27, 2026

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met with the president of the United Arab Emirates, Mohammed bin Zayed, on Sunday morning, N12 initially reported.

A diplomatic source later corroborated this to The Jerusalem Post.

The prime minister flew to the Emirates on a private flight and met MbZ, with the Prime Minister's Office refusing to comment on the details of the meeting, according to N12.  Netanyahu flew to Abu Dhabi on a private executive jet.

Netanyahu took off from Ben-Gurion Airport shortly after 12:00 p.m. and landed in Abu Dhabi at 3:10 p.m. After spending four hours in the UAE, the plane took off for the return flight to Israel at 7:10 p.m., the Post learned.

The visit comes after Haaretz this month reported that MBZ had warned Netanyahu a week and a half before October 7, 2023, that Hamas was planning a major operation against Israel. The warning was not passed to Israeli intelligence agencies or the military, Haaretz reported.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-909903

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...and Clinton knew the whereabouts of Bin Laden and did nothing  .... 9/11 occurred.  :shrug:
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Netanyahu flew to the UAE to meet Emirati President Mohammed bin Zayed, source tells 'Post'
The prime minister flew to the Emirates on a private flight and met MbZ, and the Prime Minister's Office did not comment on the meeting.
Reuters, Sep 27, 2026

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-netanyahu-visited-abu-dhabi-sunday-israeli-official-says-2026-09-27/

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Yeppers .... well heck....let's just demand that Bibi step down and stop helping his people.  *****rollingeyes*****
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...and Clinton knew the whereabouts of Bin Laden and did nothing  .... 9/11 occurred.  :shrug:

And this 🔼 has what to do with the topic of this thread @libertybele  ---- are you making the case that leaders always bleep up and get thousands killed with impunity and it's no big deal?



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And this 🔼 has what to do with the topic of this thread @libertybele  ---- are you making the case that leaders always bleep up and get thousands killed with impunity and it's no big deal?

I don't take leaders bleeping up and getting thousands killed lightly .... supposedly Bush Sr., was told by Colin Powell to finish the job and go into Bagdhad, which he didn't.... 9-11 happened ..... So .... is that a rumor, or is it true?  According to an interview of Powell it is true, but when did he tell Sr.? and what prevented Sr., from acting??? 

Once again, you would have us believe that somehow Bibi is responsible for not protecting Israel on Oct. 7, which you have repeatedly tried to point out.  Sorry .... I don't buy into that theory, rumor and liberal talking points.  Perhaps there were many  red lights, sirens and warnings, but that doesn't mean that the information that he may have had (with may being the key word) was credible, not just a rumor, nor does it mean that Bibi neglected his duties to protected Israel.

Lots of people would like to see Bibi gone with you being included, but IMO I think it would be a disaster for Israel.  He's the glue that's been protecting Israel and keeping it going.
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I don't take leaders bleeping up and getting thousands killed lightly .... supposedly Bush Sr., was told by Colin Powell to finish the job and go into Bagdhad, which he didn't.... 9-11 happened ..... So .... is that a rumor, or is it true?  According to an interview of Powell it is true, but when did he tell Sr.? and what prevented Sr., from acting??? 

Once again, you would have us believe that somehow Bibi is responsible for not protecting Israel on Oct. 7, which you have repeatedly tried to point out.  Sorry .... I don't buy into that theory, rumor and liberal talking points.  Perhaps there were many  red lights, sirens and warnings, but that doesn't mean that the information that he may have had (with may being the key word) was credible, not just a rumor, nor does it mean that Bibi neglected his duties to protected Israel.

Lots of people would like to see Bibi gone with you being included, but IMO I think it would be a disaster for Israel.  He's the glue that's been protecting Israel and keeping it going.

Ya gotta realize she hates Bibi like Democrats hate Trump.  It's a blind, senseless hatred.
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Ya gotta realize she hates Bibi like Democrats hate Trump.  It's a blind, senseless hatred.

Yes, I realize that she's been critical of Bibi for a very long time.  I just don't buy into her hype and doubt I ever will.
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I don't take leaders bleeping up and getting thousands killed lightly ....

In your previous post you dismissed both Clinton's and Netanyahu's screw ups with a shrug --- so you'll understand if this 🔼 post doesn't ring true.

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lots of people would like to see Bibi gone with you being included, but IMO I think it would be a disaster for Israel.  He's the glue that's been protecting Israel and keeping it going.

It's no secret I'd prefer to see Netanyahu spend the rest of his natural life nestled in the Andes writing a book on survival skills for the unemployable --- with only his charming wife.

But, I'd gladly eat crow and change my mind if you convince me the man who has -- split his nation in two, turned his neighborhood into a blood soaked graveyard, turned his back on his only ally's Herculean efforts for peace and lied them into deeper war, who fosters anti-Semitism, and made his nation a pariah state -- is the "glue protecting Israel and keeping it going".

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Egypt’s intel chief warned Netanyahu of attack days before Oct. 7, after 2 previous warnings — report
Times of Israel, Sep 27, 2026

Egypt’s intelligence chief Abbas Kamel called Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu just days before Hamas’s October 7, 2023, onslaught to deliver an additional warning and signs of an imminent attack from Gaza after two previous Egyptian warnings were ignored, The Wall Street Journal reports.

The report, the latest in a series of recent Israeli and international reports about signs the premier and security authorities missed ahead of the mass invasion, says Egyptian officials first warned Israel in June 2023 about the general volatility of the situation with Gaza, advising the Jewish state to resume negotiations with the Palestinian terror group for a hostage-prisoner deal.

In September, Kamel flew to Israel and warned that “the situation in Gaza was dire and could blow up in everyone’s faces,” the report says, citing unnamed officials in an unidentified Arab government.

But Israeli officials dismissed the warnings, telling Kamel the situation was under control, prompting the October call to Netanyahu’s office, the report says, adding that “the Egyptians continued to warn Israel up until 48 hours before the attack.”


https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/egypts-intel-chief-warned-netanyahu-of-attack-days-before-oct-7-after-2-previous-warnings-report/


WSJ report:  https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/egypt-warned-netanyahu-of-impending-attack-on-israel-before-oct-7-8e3d5ae0?mod=middle-east_news_article_pos1

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In your previous post you dismissed both Clinton's and Netanyahu's screw ups with a shrug --- so you'll understand if this 🔼 post doesn't ring true.

It's no secret I'd prefer to see Netanyahu spend the rest of his natural life nestled in the Andes writing a book on survival skills for the unemployable --- with only his charming wife.

But, I'd gladly eat crow and change my mind if you convince me the man who has -- split his nation in two, turned his neighborhood into a blood soaked graveyard, turned his back on his only ally's Herculean efforts for peace and lied them into deeper war, who fosters anti-Semitism, and made his nation a pariah state -- is the "glue protecting Israel and keeping it going".

Thanks @libertybele

There is zero proof that Netanyahu knew October 7 was coming and deliberately did nothing.

Haaretz, the NYT, and now the WSJ are reporting allegations built on unidentified sources. No named firsthand witness. No transcript. No recording. No document showing Netanyahu received these warnings, understood them, and then deliberately chose not to act.

Yet you take those allegations and declare them proven fact.

That is reckless, especially when the target is an ally at war. Anonymous sources are not evidence simply because three newspapers repeat the story.

You are taking an unproven accusation against an ally and handing it to the public as fact. Whether you intend to or not, that is exactly how enemy information warfare works.

And when you do that while an ally is fighting for its survival, you aren’t challenging propaganda. You’re helping it.
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In your previous post you dismissed both Clinton's and Netanyahu's screw ups with a shrug --- so you'll understand if this 🔼 post doesn't ring true.

It's no secret I'd prefer to see Netanyahu spend the rest of his natural life nestled in the Andes writing a book on survival skills for the unemployable --- with only his charming wife.

But, I'd gladly eat crow and change my mind if you convince me the man who has -- split his nation in two, turned his neighborhood into a blood soaked graveyard, turned his back on his only ally's Herculean efforts for peace and lied them into deeper war, who fosters anti-Semitism, and made his nation a pariah state -- is the "glue protecting Israel and keeping it going".

Thanks @libertybele

That's just it @Right_in_Virginia  I'm not trying to convince you of anything.  I am of the 'opinion' based on what I've read and what I continue to see .... a man who is trying to keep Israel from more harm and keeping his country together. You on the other hand want to convince me and others that Bibi is responsible for not warning his country of the looming Oct 7 attack and therefore is somehow responsible. 

I see nothing but a leader trying desperately to continue to defend his country against more evil and bloodshed. War isn't pretty by any means but he sure has every right to defend his country and to ensure that another Oct. 7 doesn't happen again.
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That's just it @Right_in_Virginia  I'm not trying to convince you of anything.  I am of the 'opinion' based on what I've read and what I continue to see .... a man who is trying to keep Israel from more harm and keeping his country together. You on the other hand want to convince me and others that Bibi is responsible for not warning his country of the looming Oct 7 attack and therefore is somehow responsible.

I think Netanyahu thought his "mow the grass/bribe the terrorist" strategy was still working.  His friends in the Middle East were directly giving him warnings that his jig was up.  Those who warned Netanyahu did not do so expecting him to warn his citizens of an attack,  they expected Netanyahu would prevent it.  Instead, Netanyahu chose to float in his hubris and light a cigar.

What should his reward be @libertybele ?

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Please, take a closer look --- without wearing the PR blinders.   

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I think Netanyahu thought his "mow the grass/bribe the terrorist" strategy was still working.  His friends in the Middle East were directly giving him warnings that his jig was up.  Those who warned Netanyahu did not do so expecting him to warn his citizens of an attack,  they expected Netanyahu would prevent it.  Instead, Netanyahu chose to float in his hubris and light a cigar.

What should his reward be @libertybele ?

Please, take a closer look --- without wearing the PR blinders.   

Thanks for listening  :beer:

He's fighting for his country. You are entitled to your opinion and I understand that you are convinced that Bibi is bad for Israel -- I'm not. 

As for the PR blinders, that goes both ways.  You are steadfast in your beliefs about him as am I and on this issue perhaps we just need to agree to disagree.
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Still waiting to see the first piece of evidence that Bibi knew of the Oct 7 attack beforehand.

In the meantime, I will reiterate once again how much it sickens me to see lies posted on these boards.
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Still waiting to see the first piece of evidence that Bibi knew of the Oct 7 attack beforehand.

It appears Netanyahu is still quite afraid of the truth ....

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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has refused to establish a state commission of inquiry into the October 7 disaster, arguing in public, although not in court, that an independent panel appointed by the Supreme Court would be biased against the government.

The government has in the last year said it would support an inquiry appointed by a panel of lawmakers, with its mandate and scope set by politicians. However, in July it told the court that it had not had time to pass legislation establishing the inquest before elections were called.

A state commission of inquiry into the failings surrounding the massacre has been a major demand of families of victims and others since the attack took place, and opposition factions have vowed to set one up should they take control of the government.

The High Court of Justice gives the government until January 15, 2027, to provide an update on how it intends to investigate the failings behind the catastrophic Hamas invasion and atrocities on October 7, 2023.

The decision means that the court will not issue a ruling on petitions asking the court to order the government to establish a state commission of inquiry into the terrorist assault, the worst-ever invasion of Israel’s borders, until after the upcoming election.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/high-court-delays-decision-on-state-commission-on-october-7-until-after-election/ar-AA2cPmiZ?ocid=BingNewsSerp

In the meantime, I will reiterate once again how much it sickens me to see lies posted on these boards.

Take a moment and identify the "lies".

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It appears Netanyahu is still quite afraid of the truth ....

The only one here afraid of 'truth' is you.  Again, still waiting to see the first piece of evidence that Bibi knew of the Oct 7 attack beforehand.


Take a moment and identify the "lies".

Let's start with your last one about the PLO not unleashing its terrorism upon Israel until AFTER the '67 War.
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The only one here afraid of 'truth' is you.  Again, still waiting to see the first piece of evidence that Bibi knew of the Oct 7 attack beforehand.

Relax, Sweetie, I'm simply keeping folks aware of the news reports and shenanigans coming from the Middle East, Israel in particular.  Everyone wants to fully investigate what happened leading to the attack on Oct 7  ---- well except, perhaps, the Prime Minister.  888blackhat

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Oh, heavens, Hoody ---  it appears you're confusing the voices in your head with my posts again.  Go get some sleep.  Hopefully, you're doing better tomorrow.    :crossed:

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There is zero proof that Netanyahu knew October 7 was coming and deliberately did nothing.

Haaretz, the NYT, and now the WSJ are reporting allegations built on unidentified sources. No named firsthand witness. No transcript. No recording. No document showing Netanyahu received these warnings, understood them, and then deliberately chose not to act.

Yet you take those allegations and declare them proven fact

I've declared no such thing.  I've simply given you the public information, in full.

Do I think there's a good chance Netanyahu's long standing "mow the grass/bribe Hamas" strategy had run its course and blew up all over him and his citizens?  Do I think the UAE, Egypt (3 times), Shin Bet and the IDF warned Netanyahu of an approaching "earthquake"? "Yes" to both. 

Do I think it's essential for an Israeli independent state commission to investigate,the lead up to Oct 7 --- and am I furious Netanyahu was able to block such a commission for three years --- pushing it to possibly being formed after his election.  Again, "yes" to both.

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You are taking an unproven accusation against an ally and handing it to the public as fact. Whether you intend to or not, that is exactly how enemy information warfare works.

How does finding the truth about how Oct 7 happened and fixing what broke in security and political protocols help Hamas?  Did the 9/11 Commission help AQ?

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Could I speak with the rational, thinking Luis, please? ---   I miss him.   ....

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It appears Netanyahu is still quite afraid of the truth ....

Take a moment and identify the "lies".

The propaganda from the "article" you posted is all lies. There is absolutely zero proof that Bibi knew anything before the attack.

Haaretz is reporting unfounded rumors from unnamed sources, which means that they're making shit up. The NYT and WSJ are reporting that Haaretz is reporting the unsupported rumor from the unnamed sources.

You are just doing your liberal thing. When people don't agree with you, you insult them.

You want to talk to the "rational" Luis, you tell others to remove their "PR blinders"... who the bleep do you think you are?

You obviously believe yourself somehow superior to everyone else in here. You try to come off as some sage, and that you "see things" more clearly than the rest of us. Do you really think we are thoughtless, irrational idiots here?

This claptrap that you posted is Iranian propaganda, and you're making damned sure it is seen, and you fight to  defend the lies you post.

NOTHING IN THIS STORY THAT YOU POSTED IS TRUE.

That is the rational reading of shit that names no one as a source, and provides no documentary evidence.

I don't give a shit what you believe the yard and the grass and whatever the bleep you're trying to bury this conversation under. The Iranians have been killing Americans for decades, and you're in here spreading propaganda in their behalf, and THAT is the most obvious truth in this thread.

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I've declared no such thing.  I've simply given you the public information, in full.

Do I think there's a good chance Netanyahu's long standing "mow the grass/bribe Hamas" strategy had run its course and blew up all over him and his citizens?  Do I think the UAE, Egypt (3 times), Shin Bet and the IDF warned Netanyahu of an approaching "earthquake"? "Yes" to both. 

Do I think it's essential for an Israeli independent state commission to investigate,the lead up to Oct 7 --- and am I furious Netanyahu was able to block such a commission for three years --- pushing it to possibly being formed after his election.  Again, "yes" to both.

How does finding the truth about how Oct 7 happened and fixing what broke in security and political protocols help Hamas?  Did the 9/11 Commission help AQ?

Could I speak with the rational, thinking Luis, please? ---   I miss him.   ....

You’re doing exactly what you accuse everyone else of doing: deciding what you want to be true first and then treating every subsequent allegation as confirmation.

There is a very large difference between “Netanyahu received warnings about the possibility of escalation or an attack from Gaza” and “Netanyahu knew the October 7 attack was coming and deliberately did nothing.” You keep sliding from the first proposition into the second as though they’re interchangeable. They aren’t.

In fact, today’s WSJ reporting contains the caveat that blows a hole straight through the certainty you’re displaying: the warnings reportedly did not identify the date, targets, scale or nature of the October 7 attack. Contemporary Israeli reporting of the WSJ story says exactly that.

That’s rather important, isn’t it?

Egypt’s first reported warning was essentially that Gaza was “explosive.” Another reportedly warned that Gaza could “blow up.” The UAE information concerned indications that Hamas might undertake a major action. Those are serious warnings and absolutely deserve investigation. But none amounts to somebody handing Netanyahu the October 7 battle plan and saying, “They’re coming across the border Saturday morning.”

And here’s where your argument becomes particularly sloppy. When Luis asks for evidence that Netanyahu knew October 7 was coming, you respond by citing evidence that Netanyahu may have received general or nonspecific warnings of Hamas action. That’s not answering his question. That’s quietly lowering the evidentiary bar until the evidence you possess can clear it.

Nor does Netanyahu’s opposition to the particular state commission of inquiry you favor magically supply the missing evidence. You write, “It appears Netanyahu is still quite afraid of the truth.” No. That’s your inference about his motive. Opposition to a particular investigative mechanism can be criticized, but it isn’t evidence of what was in Netanyahu’s head in September 2023. You can’t use the absence of an investigation as proof of the conclusion you want the investigation to establish.

The irony gets thicker when you tell Luis you’re merely providing “the public information, in full.” No, you’re doing considerably more than that. You explicitly say you think Netanyahu’s policy “blew up all over him,” answer “yes” when asked whether multiple actors warned him of an approaching “earthquake,” and then characterize his conduct toward an inquiry as fear of “the truth.” Those are conclusions and interpretations, not the neutral delivery of information.

And the 9/11 Commission analogy doesn’t rescue the argument. Of course Israel should investigate the catastrophic intelligence and security failures surrounding October 7. But an investigation is how you determine what happened. You are using the demand for an investigation as though it demonstrates that your preferred explanation has already been established. If the answer were already known with the certainty you’re projecting, there wouldn’t be much point in investigating it.

There is also an inconvenient fact for anyone trying to reduce this to Netanyahu was warned and simply ignored it: former defense minister Yoav Gallant now says the Shin Bet itself received Sinwar’s “earthquake” message before October 7 and misinterpreted what it meant, apparently viewing it in the context of prisoner negotiations.

Think about what that means. The very security professionals whose job was to evaluate intelligence reportedly possessed an ominous warning and didn’t recognize it as notice of the October 7 assault. Yet three years later, sitting safely behind a keyboard and armed with perfect hindsight, you apparently find the intelligence so unmistakable that Netanyahu’s failure to interpret it correctly proves something sinister.

That’s not analysis. That’s hindsight bias wearing a detective’s hat.

Now, the new reports are serious. An Emirati source has reportedly confirmed that the UAE-Netanyahu conversation occurred, despite Netanyahu’s denial, and a Palestinian intermediary, Sufian Abu Zaida, has publicly described transmitting Sinwar’s “earthquake” warning. Those developments make the matter more substantial than anonymous newspaper gossip and are precisely why a credible investigation is warranted.

But they still don’t establish that Netanyahu knew the October 7 attack—its date, method, scale and targets—was coming and consciously allowed it to happen.

That’s the distinction Luis keeps asking you to make, and it’s the distinction you keep avoiding.

So investigate the hell out of it. Subpoena records. Establish whether the UAE and Egyptian calls occurred. Determine exactly what was said. Find out what Netanyahu was told, what the Shin Bet knew, what the IDF knew, how each warning was evaluated, and why Israel’s defenses were catastrophically unprepared.

Then follow the evidence wherever it goes.

But that’s the opposite of what you’re doing here. You’ve announced the verdict and are now demanding an investigation to validate it.

And spare us the “Could I speak with the rational, thinking Luis?” routine. When your substantive argument has deteriorated into questioning the other guy’s rationality because he insists on distinguishing an allegation, corroborating evidence, and a proven conclusion, the problem isn’t Luis’s reasoning.

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And this 🔼 has what to do with the topic of this thread @libertybele  ---- are you making the case that leaders always bleep up and get thousands killed with impunity and it's no big deal?
Hindsight is 20/20.

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You’re doing exactly what you accuse everyone else of doing: deciding what you want to be true first and then treating every subsequent allegation as confirmation.

There is a very large difference between “Netanyahu received warnings about the possibility of escalation or an attack from Gaza” and “Netanyahu knew the October 7 attack was coming and deliberately did nothing.” You keep sliding from the first proposition into the second as though they’re interchangeable. They aren’t.

In fact, today’s WSJ reporting contains the caveat that blows a hole straight through the certainty you’re displaying: the warnings reportedly did not identify the date, targets, scale or nature of the October 7 attack. Contemporary Israeli reporting of the WSJ story says exactly that.

That’s rather important, isn’t it?

Egypt’s first reported warning was essentially that Gaza was “explosive.” Another reportedly warned that Gaza could “blow up.” The UAE information concerned indications that Hamas might undertake a major action. Those are serious warnings and absolutely deserve investigation. But none amounts to somebody handing Netanyahu the October 7 battle plan and saying, “They’re coming across the border Saturday morning.”

And here’s where your argument becomes particularly sloppy. When Luis asks for evidence that Netanyahu knew October 7 was coming, you respond by citing evidence that Netanyahu may have received general or nonspecific warnings of Hamas action. That’s not answering his question. That’s quietly lowering the evidentiary bar until the evidence you possess can clear it.

Nor does Netanyahu’s opposition to the particular state commission of inquiry you favor magically supply the missing evidence. You write, “It appears Netanyahu is still quite afraid of the truth.” No. That’s your inference about his motive. Opposition to a particular investigative mechanism can be criticized, but it isn’t evidence of what was in Netanyahu’s head in September 2023. You can’t use the absence of an investigation as proof of the conclusion you want the investigation to establish.

The irony gets thicker when you tell Luis you’re merely providing “the public information, in full.” No, you’re doing considerably more than that. You explicitly say you think Netanyahu’s policy “blew up all over him,” answer “yes” when asked whether multiple actors warned him of an approaching “earthquake,” and then characterize his conduct toward an inquiry as fear of “the truth.” Those are conclusions and interpretations, not the neutral delivery of information.

And the 9/11 Commission analogy doesn’t rescue the argument. Of course Israel should investigate the catastrophic intelligence and security failures surrounding October 7. But an investigation is how you determine what happened. You are using the demand for an investigation as though it demonstrates that your preferred explanation has already been established. If the answer were already known with the certainty you’re projecting, there wouldn’t be much point in investigating it.

There is also an inconvenient fact for anyone trying to reduce this to Netanyahu was warned and simply ignored it: former defense minister Yoav Gallant now says the Shin Bet itself received Sinwar’s “earthquake” message before October 7 and misinterpreted what it meant, apparently viewing it in the context of prisoner negotiations.

Think about what that means. The very security professionals whose job was to evaluate intelligence reportedly possessed an ominous warning and didn’t recognize it as notice of the October 7 assault. Yet three years later, sitting safely behind a keyboard and armed with perfect hindsight, you apparently find the intelligence so unmistakable that Netanyahu’s failure to interpret it correctly proves something sinister.

That’s not analysis. That’s hindsight bias wearing a detective’s hat.

Now, the new reports are serious. An Emirati source has reportedly confirmed that the UAE-Netanyahu conversation occurred, despite Netanyahu’s denial, and a Palestinian intermediary, Sufian Abu Zaida, has publicly described transmitting Sinwar’s “earthquake” warning. Those developments make the matter more substantial than anonymous newspaper gossip and are precisely why a credible investigation is warranted.

But they still don’t establish that Netanyahu knew the October 7 attack—its date, method, scale and targets—was coming and consciously allowed it to happen.

That’s the distinction Luis keeps asking you to make, and it’s the distinction you keep avoiding.

So investigate the hell out of it. Subpoena records. Establish whether the UAE and Egyptian calls occurred. Determine exactly what was said. Find out what Netanyahu was told, what the Shin Bet knew, what the IDF knew, how each warning was evaluated, and why Israel’s defenses were catastrophically unprepared.

Then follow the evidence wherever it goes.

But that’s the opposite of what you’re doing here. You’ve announced the verdict and are now demanding an investigation to validate it.

And spare us the “Could I speak with the rational, thinking Luis?” routine. When your substantive argument has deteriorated into questioning the other guy’s rationality because he insists on distinguishing an allegation, corroborating evidence, and a proven conclusion, the problem isn’t Luis’s reasoning.

It’s yours.

@Lando Lincoln, thanks for being the “rational thinking Luis” when I lose my shit.
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@Lando Lincoln, thanks for being the “rational thinking Luis” when I lose my shit.

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You’re doing exactly what you accuse everyone else of doing: deciding what you want to be true first and then treating every subsequent allegation as confirmation.

I am simply presenting news reports and links with their sources.  I am not certifying or claiming the reports are true. 

I express, without apology, my opinion of the reports --- because this is a forum created for debate @Lando Lincoln .....

As to the topic at hand, I think the reports may be true while others think they cannot possibly be.  Why is one opinion right and one opinion wrong?

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And spare us the “Could I speak with the rational, thinking Luis?” routine. When your substantive argument has deteriorated into questioning the other guy’s rationality because he insists on distinguishing an allegation, corroborating evidence, and a proven conclusion, the problem isn’t Luis’s reasoning.

What are you talking about?  I am the one over and over again calling for Netanyahu to stop blocking an independent state commission into the lead up to Oct 7 so the security and political mistakes can be identified and fixed.  Our dear famous Briefer friend rejects that out of hand.

May I recommend you re-read all the posts, not just the final in a sequence, without looking to build a defense of and for a third poster?  This exercise could help you identify who is measured and rational and who is knee deep in emotional chaos because of an OPINION.

In any case, I hope @Luis Gonzalez is comforted by your out-of-character and public chastisement of a fellow Briefer (me). 

Moving forward, if you can accept that I am going to fairly frequently include my opinion in postings, I would welcome knowing yours and discussing any differences.

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Former Shin Bet chief Ronen Bar says he will file a defamation lawsuit against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who today said that the spy chief knew of the threat of an attack overnight on October 7, but chose not to inform the prime minister.

In a dramatic statement, Bar also calls for the release of documents and testimony concerning what information was given to Netanyahu in the lead-up to the October 7, 2023 Hamas invasion.

Bar wants Netanyahu’s schedule of meetings with foreign officials and members of security agencies released, and says his lawyers will demand that top Netanyahu staffers be summoned to testify.

Netanyahu’s campaign against him, says Bar, “has no basis in reality.”

“After refusing for three years to acknowledge his responsibility and preventing, by every possible means, the establishment of a state commission of inquiry to which the public and bereaved families are entitled, he has begun selectively publishing documents in a manipulative manner and out of their proper context,” says Bar.

Bar says he warned Netanyahu of “impending disaster in an unprecedented manner, and that the prime minister ignored these warnings, as well as the recommendations to restore deterrence and strengthen the border.”

Bar says he was waiting for the establishment of a a commission of inquiry to reveal those warnings, but can no longer keep quiet.

“You achieve victory through a preemptive attack on the enemy outside, not on the security forces at home,” concludes Bar.



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I am simply presenting news reports and links with their sources.  I am not certifying or claiming the reports are true. 

I express, without apology, my opinion of the reports --- because this is a forum created for debate @Lando Lincoln .....

As to the topic at hand, I think the reports may be true while others think they cannot possibly be.  Why is one opinion right and one opinion wrong?

What are you talking about?  I am the one over and over again calling for Netanyahu to stop blocking an independent state commission into the lead up to Oct 7 so the security and political mistakes can be identified and fixed.  Our dear famous Briefer friend rejects that out of hand.

May I recommend you re-read all the posts, not just the final in a sequence, without looking to build a defense of and for a third poster?  This exercise could help you identify who is measured and rational and who is knee deep in emotional chaos because of an OPINION.

In any case, I hope @Luis Gonzalez is comforted by your out-of-character and public chastisement of a fellow Briefer (me). 

Moving forward, if you can accept that I am going to fairly frequently include my opinion in postings, I would welcome knowing yours and discussing any differences.

Thank you for your interest.

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You’re doing exactly what you accuse everyone else of doing: deciding what you want to be true first and then treating every subsequent allegation as confirmation.

There is a very large difference between  .  .  .

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I am blown away at your command of the English language and the elegance of your post.  Explanations are the highest form of writing, and you have excelled brilliantly.  Thank you for your post.  You have effortlessly given words to an observation I could not have adequately expressed in a hundred posts.  Thank you, sir.   You are spot on.
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@Lando Lincoln

I am blown away at your command of the English language and the elegance of your post.  Explanations are the highest form of writing, and you have excelled brilliantly.  Thank you for your post.  You have effortlessly given words to an observation I could not have adequately expressed in a hundred posts.  Thank you, sir.   You are spot on.

The brother writes circles around me without even trying.  :beer:
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Yeah, the jihad has gone all passive/aggressive around here.
@Lando Lincoln  Tremendously well said!
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Relax, Sweetie, I'm simply keeping folks aware of the news reports and shenanigans coming from the Middle East, Israel in particular.

No, you're not.  You are pushing an agenda based on a false narrative.  And when your false premise has been challenged, you have repeated it.

I will ask again.  Can you produce a single shred of evidence showing that Netanyahu knew of or was informed of the Oct 7 attack before it happened?  If you were simply reporting the 'news' [sic] without bias, then you would not hesitate to acknowledge the challenge.  But the truth of the matter is that you do have bias.  And that you don't care about whether or not the narrative is true as long as it supports your bias.


Everyone wants to fully investigate what happened leading to the attack on Oct 7  ----

Fully investigate? You're not investigating a damn thing.  You're pushing propaganda with zero regard to its veracity.



Oh, heavens, Hoody ---  it appears you're confusing the voices in your head with my posts again.  Go get some sleep.  Hopefully, you're doing better tomorrow.    :crossed:

This is your post, no?

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=588837.msg3354682#msg3354682


Oh, and just to point out AGAIN, there was no Palestinian state in '67.  There was only Israel, Egypt, and Jordan. Which is why according to the original PLO charter, no claim on Gaza or the West Bank was made.
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"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

Jim Jones was a socialist Democrat.