@Right_in_Virginia

If I really need to clarify that for you, RIV, it's that the 2-state solution has been tried over and over. The truth is, the Palestinian leaders (Hamas, Arafat, etc.) have never really wanted it. They want the issue. You should know that by now. Hamas can use it to play on the sympathies of the world by picking a fight and then daring Israel to retaliate as Hamas hides behind the innocents. It's working. If you think their kind aren't interspersed throughout those crowds on college campuses, you're naive. Or you don't want to see it.

To simplify, if you don't want a war in your borders, DON'T ATTACK ANOTHER NATION. It's not that hard to understand. War is hell. Gonna be honest. At this point, I don't much care about "all of Gaza." I believe the goal of most Gazans is the same as Hamas -- to eliminate Israel and all Jews from the face of the earth. I'm sorry the Gazans chose to vote for those filthy cockroaches as their leaders, but they did. I can't imagine that an adult would believe that the terrorists would rewrite their charter, removing the mandate to kill all Jews if only they were granted a 2-state solution. Those easy-to-sway college students may buy that, but well-informed adults shouldn't.

For the 3rd time, which outlets do you believe are an acceptable venue to interview Netanyahu? Is there a particular reason why I can't get you to answer that?

     

You miss a lot of stuff.  I'll be okay with keeping you up to speed on this election, but tutoring classes on past elections are closed.   

IOW you're once again making up crappola.  Trump never offered Cruz a position in his administration. He missed the opportunity and because he didn't listen to Cruz nor utilize his talents, he FAILED.

History is full of Actions have Consequences examples.....

When the royal grift as dried up, Harry and family's descendants will be scrapping for bread crumbs like the rest of us "dirty Americans". 

I an guessing his Father's funeral will be his last offical event with the Royal Family.

We'll see if he attends.  I think he'll be so bitter by then, that he won't be in attendance.

Thanks for sharing @libertybele   But, since you've clearly promised not to vote for Donald Trump under any circumstances, why are you insinuating yourself into the discussion?

Because I feel like it.  After all, this is a forum for discussion and debate.  Secondly, you are putting words in my mouth I never "promised not to vote for DJT under any circumstance", those are your words not mine.

My words are; I cannot and will not vote for Trump.  I have stated a couple of times that if he named Noem as his VP I might give further consideration.

Because of all the crappola that his supporters spew, it only makes me more confident that not voting for Trump is the right decision, so thanks for that. 

Classic Rock Album of the Day- Led Zeppelin- In Through the Out Door (1979)  ****

Kind of mixed emotions today with this review.  This one completes the LZ discography, and of course was the last studio effort by one of the all time greats.  I had previously panned (wrong word-  maybe docked)  the band for a lot of the provocatives toward the experimental.  There is no doubt that under Led Zeppelin standards, Presence was an utter disaster, and since the band had such a short time left, is a travesty of waste of vinyl of what could be, in terms of their standing among the all time greats.

Well, LZ did it again with their 8th and final effort, In Through the Out Door.  But instead of making the experimental feel forced, and funky, the band almost  hit a Home Run.  The eccentricites of this album though not mainstream Zep, did a great job of cutting a notch in the fabric rock, that LZ was not a bit a one dimensional hard rock/blues behemoth.  This album is a lot of ways is even more off the rails than Presence, but without it sounding almost like an off-cranked genre parody.  What many fail to realize that even in a lot of this genre bending, is not only a band that exceeds the stuff they are emulating, it is an exercise....wait a better word is "lesson" of what happens when you gather a group of talent that is so good at their craft they can send "smack" to the industry, and say....   7 great.....   now it is time for us have a good time showing off a bit.

A lot of rock pundits have claimed that Page's influences and efforts were minimized on this LP.  I really think that it more was an industry trend of adding synth to the equation.  Example?  This is about the same time that Rush did the same.  And Yes, too from a volume perspective. No, LZ was not Prog, but '70's sternum rattling 4/4 rock and roll had changed in deference to New Wave influences. Yeah, that sucked...  I know.

With all the accolades, this is still not a perfect album, like most of their discography of their first 4. There also is not what I would call an epic Classic Rock standard song that lives in perpetual greatness.  Back in '79 when I first  unwrapped this LP, I was at first in the same opionion I had with Presence.  More stuff that was not what made the band great.  But unlike Presence, this one gradually grew on me, with the realization that this had some really innovative undercurrents that not as much as that the 1970's were dead, the album was a testament an event of branching out from the base rock/blues into somewhat of alter-ego of a band that rightfully called themselves the best.   Funny...  I always wondered if the band would have taken this direction if had known this was their last.

Not that history as treated post Physical Graffitti LZ well.  To a great majority of the hard core fans, the band had drifted off to a narrow dark corridor of experimentation, and fear that the critics would call them stale and dated.  I'll grant that as accurate representation for Prescience, but with a deep enough thoughtful listen, you can tell that there is a lot going on behind the mic and amps here.  And I think a lot of it kind of self manifested in some of the better later solo work from Plant, and Page with his time with the Firm.  Was it commercialization based?  Was it rebranding?  Was it an effort to expand fan base?  Sadly, with Bonham's and Led Zeppelin's death in 1980.....  We will never know.

Fun Fact:  John Paul Jones has credits on 6 of the 7 songs.  Impact on quality? From my POV, yes and no.  Seems we got the best and worst of the 3rd wheel of the Led Zep song writing locomotive.

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In the Evening-  Zep starts the show with one of their better latter career efforts.  Eastern influenced instrumental breaks out into an all hell breaking lose rocking number.  I love how the understated synth on this one is a great add, than a distraction.  There are even parts that this thing almost breaks into a 3 part melodic bluezy mash.  Classic Zep. 2

Southbound Suarez- Barrel Roll rocker, I guess the intent was right.  But again, not a reason I plunked $6.99 on the record counter in 1979.  Not a bad tune, by any means, but more is expected from Zeppelin.  Searing solo does help save some, but by this time we again realize that 1971 was a heck of a long time ago.  6

Fool In the Rain-  Originally I hated this song. Talk about ultimate rock parody.  The greatest hard rock band of all time had declined into a latin salsa band.  BUT..  after a few thousand more listens, you come to realize that the musical chops on this one is genius.  The slow genre morphing and phasing of the tune is unique.  And if you listen closer, from a musical difficulty point, this is pretty complex.  Ane when the whistle sounds?  Besides a "WTF" and again a few thousand listens, you realize that this is Zeppelin at thier utter most Avante Garde. Can you imagine Page playing this in 1970?  That's growth folks. 1

Hot Dog- Another barrel house almost country effort.  Again not bad, but ....  Oh and bonus points for using dungarees in a song.    5

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Carouselambra- Awesome use of synth and guitar.  So strange to hear Page's licks support a synth line.  Song had a great degree of complexity within the simple repeptive riffs that strike the listener. This is also the one on the LP that has some of Bonham's best drum work.  Low key, but fine way to allow the main strengths of the band (drum/ax solos) outifght provide a foundation, for the ridiculously silly and repetitive synth rolls.   The mid song transition into a standard rock/blues rolling thunder  does a nice job of contrast.  Then listening to it as an exercise of dueling synth?  11 minutes well spent.  3

All of My Love-  The hit, and most recognizable one of an album that has faded from view.  Very mainstream from LZ standards, and enough hooks to lure the listener.  Song also has maybe what may be the only pure synth solo in the band's career.  Song in a lot of ways is kind of a cumulative sum of the entire intent of the LP.  Synth, Wierd, and absent Page.  4

I'm Gonna Crawl-  Hate to say, but this one song may be the worst songs in Led Zeppelin's history.  Everyone knows that Page had to have one obligatory hard bluez number.  This one has no sound of inspiration, and the cringe-worthy added synth almost makes it a joke.  Contrast this with "Since I have Been Loving You" to amaze you that this is the same band.  It's a crime that one of the greatest rock bands of all time ended their career with this one, but it is, what it is.  7


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