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Title: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Gefn on December 06, 2017, 11:03:31 pm
Breaking story just got an alert on my iPhone

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/06/568832606/franken-under-pressure-as-group-democratic-senators-call-for-him-to-resign?utm_source=npr_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20171206&utm_campaign=breakingnews&utm_term=nprnews (https://www.npr.org/2017/12/06/568832606/franken-under-pressure-as-group-democratic-senators-call-for-him-to-resign?utm_source=npr_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20171206&utm_campaign=breakingnews&utm_term=nprnews)
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RoosGirl on December 06, 2017, 11:09:16 pm
Hahaha.  Dingdong!
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Frank Cannon on December 06, 2017, 11:15:00 pm
LOL. I feel so bad about this. LOL. He was such a great Senator. LOL. He will surely be missed. LOL.

(https://www.informationliberation.com/files/1510866576122.jpg)
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Frank Cannon on December 06, 2017, 11:16:29 pm
(http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0906/al-franken-begging-will-work-for-earmarket-charity-demotivational-poster-1246282128.jpg)
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 06, 2017, 11:21:58 pm
I would imagine this is in response to the gripes by the CBC about Conyers going out so fast...and they have pics of Franken.  Failure to treat this eruption with some racial parity would maybe result in Black Democrats wandering from the Plantation, and the Dems can't have that.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: mystery-ak on December 06, 2017, 11:24:39 pm
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Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RetBobbyMI on December 06, 2017, 11:27:39 pm
:03:
LMAO 😂
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 07, 2017, 04:14:05 am
(https://media.giphy.com/media/d3MK2rXcTPRUNSLK/giphy.gif)

Even Franken is happy....
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Frank Cannon on December 07, 2017, 04:19:37 am
Putting this out there.......

I will bet a dollar that Al ain't going to resign tomorrow. Just a feeling I have knowing what type of delusional garbage he is.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Oceander on December 07, 2017, 04:23:17 am
We shall see.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Suppressed on December 07, 2017, 04:23:27 am
Putting this out there.......

I will bet a dollar that Al ain't going to resign tomorrow. Just a feeling I have knowing what type of delusional garbage he is.

Yeah, Frankentwitter told MPR to fix their original report, saying no final decision has been made.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: 240B on December 07, 2017, 04:33:00 am
Putting this out there.......

I will bet a dollar that Al ain't going to resign tomorrow. Just a feeling I have knowing what type of delusional garbage he is.


Me too. I've had that feeling all day.
My thoughts have been that the DNC released to the press the idea that he was going to resign to pressure him. I doubt that press release actually came from him.


Tomorrow, he's going to apologize and cry and declare how much he regrets what he has done, and how much he respects women and yada, yada, yada.


But when it is all over, he will not resign.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Frank Cannon on December 07, 2017, 04:38:51 am
Yeah, Frankentwitter told MPR to fix their original report, saying no final decision has been made.

If he felt compelled to make that last presser a shitshow and refused to resign, I doub't anything will get him out of office. Fact is he has been a failure at everything he has done. He doesn't have anything left except for this gig. Leaving it in disgrace isn't an option for him.

(https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1167428289l/23578.jpg)
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on December 07, 2017, 04:39:13 am
Putting this out there.......

I will bet a dollar that Al ain't going to resign tomorrow. Just a feeling I have knowing what type of delusional garbage he is.

That's not fair.

Either way, you win.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Frank Cannon on December 07, 2017, 04:40:51 am
That's not fair.

Either way, you win.

LOL. Absolutely.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 07, 2017, 04:42:02 am
Tomorrow, he's going to apologize and cry and declare how much he regrets what he has done, and how much he respects women and yada, yada, yada.

Which is funny, because earlier this year, he released a 400 page confessional about how completely un-sorry he's been, since becoming Senator.

“Al Franken, Giant of the Senate” is, in part, the story of how Franken became a giant phony — how he pretended to be a serious person in public even as his inner comic monologue never stopped running. He recalls that during the 2008 campaign, he was attacked for such transgressions as a late-night writers’-room joke about raping Lesley Stahl, and a 2000 Playboy article entitled “Porn-o-Rama.” Franken didn’t think he should have to apologize for the cracks, which his opponents were taking out of context. “To say I was sorry for writing a joke was to sell out my career, to sell out who I’d been my entire life,” he writes. “And I wasn’t sorry that I had written Porn-o-Rama or pitched that stupid Lesley Stahl joke at 2 in the morning. I was just doing my job.”

But as the attacks caused Franken to bleed support from women voters, he saw that his explanations weren’t working. “I learned that campaigns have their own rules, their own laws of physics, and that if I wasn’t willing to accept that, I would never get to be a senator.” And so Franken took a deep breath and told a little white lie: “I’m sorry.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/books/review/al-franken-giant-of-the-senate.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/books/review/al-franken-giant-of-the-senate.html)
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Emjay on December 07, 2017, 04:44:18 am
Putting this out there.......

I will bet a dollar that Al ain't going to resign tomorrow. Just a feeling I have knowing what type of delusional garbage he is.

Exactly what I was thinking.  I believe he will go sumpin' like, " I considered resigning but felt I owed it to the people who elected me to stay on and fight for them."
"
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RetBobbyMI on December 07, 2017, 04:56:12 am
If he doesn’t the Congressional Black Circus will draw up their lynch mobs to go after him.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Emjay on December 07, 2017, 05:00:54 am
If he doesn’t the Congressional Black Circus will draw up their lynch mobs to go after him.

He won't and they will.

It will be fun to watch.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: 240B on December 07, 2017, 05:03:51 am
Exactly what I was thinking.  I believe he will go sumpin' like, " I considered resigning but felt I owed it to the people who elected me to stay on and fight for them."
"


That is exactly what Pelosi said. When she was asked to give up the speakership she said, 'I would, but it is my duty to stay and to fight for women.'


That, "It is my duty to stay and fight for the people" thing they do, seems to be a Democrat coverall excuse for never leaving office no matter what.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 07, 2017, 01:47:12 pm
Quite a dangerous precedent is being set here.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on December 07, 2017, 11:43:51 pm
Breaking News: No he didn't

Shapiro: Al Franken Might Not Leave Senate If GOP Seats Roy Moore

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/12/07/shapiro-al-franken-might-not-leave-senate-if-gop-seats-roy-moore (http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/12/07/shapiro-al-franken-might-not-leave-senate-if-gop-seats-roy-moore)

Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on December 07, 2017, 11:44:33 pm
Quite a dangerous precedent is being set here.
Ok, I give.  What precedent was set?
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Frank Cannon on December 07, 2017, 11:55:23 pm
Putting this out there.......

I will bet a dollar that Al ain't going to resign tomorrow. Just a feeling I have knowing what type of delusional garbage he is.

Just wanted to let everyone know I was right. Franken didn't resign today.

Everyone send your dollars to:

Erv's BYO Strip Club
c/o Frank Cannon AKA "The Man"
15 Dirt Patch Trail
Sheboygan WI
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 07, 2017, 11:56:57 pm
Ok, I give.  What precedent was set?

Seriously?  Are you satisfied that a mere charge of any definition of sexual harassment can cost someone their job?  Would you think this might necessitate an investigation and an opportunity to confront your accusers??  @IsailedawayfromFR
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RoosGirl on December 07, 2017, 11:58:06 pm
Just wanted to let everyone know I was right. Franken didn't resign today.

Everyone send your dollars to:

Erv's BYO Strip Club
c/o Frank Cannon AKA "The Man"
15 Dirt Patch Trail
Sheboygan WI

Put it on my tab.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Frank Cannon on December 08, 2017, 12:00:02 am
Seriously?  Are you satisfied that a mere charge of any definition of sexual harassment can cost someone their job?  Would you think this might necessitate an investigation and an opportunity to confront your accusers??  @IsailedawayfromFR

Yeah. Unsubstantiated charge.....

(http://www.pcdesktopbackgrounds.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/alfranken.jpg)
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on December 08, 2017, 12:00:46 am
Seriously?  Are you satisfied that a mere charge of any definition of sexual harassment can cost someone their job?  Would you think this might necessitate an investigation and an opportunity to confront your accusers??  @IsailedawayfromFR
Why the attack?  All I did was ask what is the precedent.

From your diatribe, it seems you know something, but are not yet revealing exactly what is on your mind.

Come on, tell us what the precedent is.

Then I will tell you how it has already been set.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: skeeter on December 08, 2017, 12:01:05 am
Breaking News: No he didn't

Shapiro: Al Franken Might Not Leave Senate If GOP Seats Roy Moore

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/12/07/shapiro-al-franken-might-not-leave-senate-if-gop-seats-roy-moore (http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/12/07/shapiro-al-franken-might-not-leave-senate-if-gop-seats-roy-moore)

Whats the message here - if their pervert stays our pervert stays? Not implying guilt or innocence of anyone here but how will the party of women (and all other oppressed) be able to pull that off?
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: skeeter on December 08, 2017, 12:04:38 am
Just wanted to let everyone know I was right. Franken didn't resign today.

Everyone send your dollars to:

Erv's BYO Strip Club
c/o Frank Cannon AKA "The Man"
15 Dirt Patch Trail
Sheboygan WI

I'm sending mine c/o a guy named Big Earl.

Make sure you're wearing something cute.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 08, 2017, 12:05:31 am
Why the attack?  All I did was ask what is the precedent.

Lighten up, Francis.  It wasn't an attack ... and I answered your question. 

Feel free to agree or disagree   :shrug:
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on December 08, 2017, 12:08:24 am
Lighten up, Francis.  It wasn't an attack ... and I answered your question. 

Feel free to agree or disagree   :shrug:
You never answered the question I had that is 'What precedent was set?'

What is it?

PS - I am not the Pope asking.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 08, 2017, 12:09:41 am
Yeah. Unsubstantiated charge..... 

It's more than Franken ... who, BTW, hasn't resigned.

If you guys are okay with this building into a frenzy .... heck, I'll stand down. 
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 08, 2017, 12:10:23 am
You never answered the question I had that is 'What precedent was set?'

What is it?

PS - I am not the Pope asking.

I'm out of crayons @IsailedawayfromFR ... you'll have to work with my original reply.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Frank Cannon on December 08, 2017, 12:12:25 am
I'm sending mine c/o a guy named Big Earl.

Make sure you're wearing something cute.

As long as he brings cash. I can't take checks right now due to a disagreement I am having with the IRS.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 08, 2017, 12:13:19 am
If you guys are okay with this building into a frenzy ......

Went out and got a new leather recliner for it.

 :2popcorn: :2popcorn: :2popcorn:
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on December 08, 2017, 12:13:38 am
I'm out of crayons @IsailedawayfromFR ... you'll have to work with my original reply.
A non-answer to a legitimate question.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: LMAO on December 08, 2017, 12:13:58 am
I agree with @Right_in_Virginia. Despite what we think of Franken and his politics, this does set a bad precedent.

I can’t believe some can’t see this
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 08, 2017, 12:14:28 am
As long as he brings cash. I can't take checks right now due to a disagreement I am having with the IRS.


Will you publicly release the papers when the audit is done?
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on December 08, 2017, 12:14:46 am
I agree with @Right_in_Virginia. Despite what we think of Franken and his politics, this does set a bad precedent.

I can’t believe some can’t see this
Since he refuses to say what that precedent is, can you spell it out succinctly so I can understand?
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Bigun on December 08, 2017, 12:15:01 am
Seriously?  Are you satisfied that a mere charge of any definition of sexual harassment can cost someone their job?  Would you think this might necessitate an investigation and an opportunity to confront your accusers??  @IsailedawayfromFR

Not if the accused pleads guilty as this POS did!
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Frank Cannon on December 08, 2017, 12:15:25 am
I agree with @Right_in_Virginia. Despite what we think of Franken and his politics, this does set a bad precedent.

I can’t believe some can’t see this

I see it. We all have seen it. We have seen Al grabbing Tweeden's boobs. What more do you need?
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Frank Cannon on December 08, 2017, 12:16:24 am

Will you publicly release the papers when the audit is done?

Yes.....unless I decide to run for President in 2024. In that case I will keep them private.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: truth_seeker on December 08, 2017, 12:19:36 am
Whats the message here - if their pervert stays our pervert stays? Not implying guilt or innocence of anyone here but how will the party of women (and all other oppressed) be able to pull that off?
Why not? Expecting sainthood from our elected reps is delusional. I am very concerned that they do their jobs well, but I don't care much about their personal lives.

I would not fund payouts for their sexual misdeeds from taxpayers' money. I would not pay their legal bills,, if sued for sexual harassment of assault. Let them fair for themselves.

Not all districts expect a puritan. Let them elect who they want.

     
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 08, 2017, 12:20:47 am
Not if the accused pleads guilty as this POS did!

Actually, Franken did not plead guilty.  (Not saying he's not, just saying this wasn't his plea)

@Bigun
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Bigun on December 08, 2017, 12:23:41 am
Actually, Franken did not plead guilty.  (Not saying he's not, just saying this wasn't his plea)

@Bigun

Oh but he did!  As recently as today in fact!  "Not all of the allegations against me are true"  meaning some of them are and I admit it!
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 08, 2017, 12:24:03 am
I agree with @Right_in_Virginia. Despite what we think of Franken and his politics, this does set a bad precedent.

I can’t believe some can’t see this

Thanks @LMAO ...
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on December 08, 2017, 12:24:34 am
I see it. We all have seen it. We have seen Al grabbing Tweeden's boobs. What more do you need?

A much, much,  more thorough examination of the evidence.

And no, you pervs/goofs out there, I don't mean Gropy's hands.  Hot chick.  Boobies.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 08, 2017, 12:25:12 am
Not all districts expect a puritan.

Interestingly enough, some of the most anti-puritans now reside in the areas in which they had originally settled.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RetBobbyMI on December 08, 2017, 12:29:43 am
Interestingly enough, some of the most anti-puritans now reside in the areas in which they had originally settled.
Well they might have landed in the Mass Bay Colony, but their actual destination was supposed to be the Virginia Colony. But due to storms, they drifted to the north of present day Cape Cod were they sought shelter. James Clark, the masters mate, was hires by the Mayflower company because of his knowledge of the Cheasepeak Bay Area.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: skeeter on December 08, 2017, 12:57:33 am
Why not? Expecting sainthood from our elected reps is delusional. I am very concerned that they do their jobs well, but I don't care much about their personal lives.

I would not fund payouts for their sexual misdeeds from taxpayers' money. I would not pay their legal bills,, if sued for sexual harassment of assault. Let them fair for themselves.

Not all districts expect a puritan. Let them elect who they want.

   
My point is the left's brand is based upon accusing their opponents of being misogynists, racists, homophobes, etc.

How will that sound to the great masses when they openly tolerate an obvious one (and more) within their own ranks?

Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on December 08, 2017, 01:06:05 am
Thanks @LMAO ...
This is getting weird - two guys agreeing on something which does not exist: An answer.

Once again:  What precedent has been set?
@Right_in_Virginia  @LMAO
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on December 08, 2017, 01:14:00 am
I would imagine this is in response to the gripes by the CBC about Conyers going out so fast...and they have pics of Franken.  Failure to treat this eruption with some racial parity would maybe result in Black Democrats wandering from the Plantation, and the Dems can't have that.

I'm sure that's part of it. It also seems clear that the rats intend to Continue using Moore As a fund raising tool as well as an anchor around the neck of the GOP. Brand.

It will be interesting to see if the rats in the Senate go after Moore Aggressively or if they let the GOP establishment do the deed.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Fantom on December 08, 2017, 01:17:36 am

Will you publicly release the papers when the audit is done?

Audit hell... pretty sure it is 10 to 20 at club fed.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow
Post by: Fantom on December 08, 2017, 01:19:01 am
I'm sure that's part of it. It also seems clear that the rats intend to Continue using Moore As a fund raising tool as well as an anchor around the neck of the GOP. Brand.

It will be interesting to see if the rats in the Senate go after Moore Aggressively or if they let the GOP establishment do the deed.

Rats by any other name.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on December 08, 2017, 01:22:39 am
 
This is getting weird - two guys agreeing on something which does not exist: An answer.

Once again:  What precedent has been set?
@Right_in_Virginia  @LMAO

:pop41:
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RoosGirl on December 08, 2017, 01:23:58 am
This is getting weird - two guys agreeing on something which does not exist: An answer.

Once again:  What precedent has been set?
@Right_in_Virginia  @LMAO

@IsailedawayfromFR
@Right_in_Virginia

Look, I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but dammit, she answered you.

Seriously?  Are you satisfied that a mere charge of any definition of sexual harassment can cost someone their job?  Would you think this might necessitate an investigation and an opportunity to confront your accusers??  @IsailedawayfromFR

If you're not satisfied with the answer then ask for clarification of one point or another about it, but this is clearly an answer, even to me, and everybody knows I *never* stick up for RiV.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: 240B on December 08, 2017, 01:41:57 am
I can no longer function in the Senate and therefore I have decided that maybe I might resign sometime in the future if I decide to at that time.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on December 08, 2017, 02:00:26 am
@IsailedawayfromFR
@Right_in_Virginia

Look, I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but dammit, she answered you.

If you're not satisfied with the answer then ask for clarification of one point or another about it, but this is clearly an answer, even to me, and everybody knows I *never* stick up for RiV.
If that is an answer, then he/she/it is incorrect on it being a precedent.  Franken never resigned so how is this a precedent for something?

Even if he did, this is not a singular case, and he/she/it knows it.  Others have gone through unsubstantiated allegations and had to bite the turf.

I always use HSI as I got cussed out once for gender confusion and will keep it gender neutral.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Emjay on December 08, 2017, 02:06:16 am
Yes.....unless I decide to run for President in 2024. In that case I will keep them private.

Or you can say they never existed.

I just got on this thread and I have no idea what people are arguing about.

Can someone 'splain it to me in a few words; I have a short attention span.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Fantom on December 08, 2017, 02:14:35 am
Or you can say they never existed.

I just got on this thread and I have no idea what people are arguing about.

Can someone 'splain it to me in a few words; I have a short attention span.

TBR syndrome... there is no reason.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on December 08, 2017, 02:26:30 am
TBR syndrome... there is no reason.

 :rolling: :rolling:
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on December 08, 2017, 02:40:16 am
Or you can say they never existed.

I just got on this thread and I have no idea what people are arguing about.

Can someone 'splain it to me in a few words; I have a short attention span.
Poster says 'Sets a Precedent'

When you question what precedent is being set, just garbage comes out. 

Can't discuss garbage.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Polly Ticks on December 08, 2017, 02:45:50 am
Well apparently someone set a precedent for bold-face type, so at least we've got that going for us.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: roamer_1 on December 08, 2017, 02:45:54 am
Hot chick.  Boobies.

(https://cdn.modernfarmer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/shutterstock_129514346.jpg)

(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.fWinA8zjgR6ZI2Guyz8uzAEsDL&pid=15.1&P=0&w=279&h=190)
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on December 08, 2017, 02:49:51 am
blah
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Fantom on December 08, 2017, 02:55:02 am
Well apparently someone set a precedent for bold-face type, so at least we've got that going for us.

Well, that would be me it would seem.  Replied to Once-Ler ..bolded part of his post... and now.  :shrug:

Opps, wondered if it was everyone or just me... guess I know now. Gotta' watch those "Fantom" powers I guess.

If tech is curious 'Bout this bug, get in touch. I have tried to change my post... all I get is  a "no subject matter" warning in red.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Fantom on December 08, 2017, 02:56:00 am


Kool, my powers wore off.  :smokin:
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on December 08, 2017, 03:15:30 am
Well, that would be me it would seem.  Replied to Once-Ler ..bolded part of his post... and now.  :shrug:

Opps, wondered if it was everyone or just me... guess I know now. Gotta' watch those "Fantom" powers I guess.

If tech is curious 'Bout this bug, get in touch. I have tried to change my post... all I get is  a "no subject matter" warning in red.

I got the same error when I posted the close-bold-face tag which seems to have ended the bold thingy.  I had to delete the icon at the end of the subject line to get it to post.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Fantom on December 08, 2017, 03:22:19 am
I got the same error when I posted the close-bold-face tag which seems to have ended the bold thingy.  I had to delete the icon at the end of the subject line to get it to post.

Thanxs, yep deleting the icon at the end of the subject line let me fix my post too.  888high58888

For a while I was thinkin' we were in the land of the lost. Lookin' 'Round for Frank.. er a Sleestack too show up
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow
Post by: Fantom on December 08, 2017, 03:25:11 am
I got the same error when I posted the close-bold-face tag which seems to have ended the bold thingy.  I had to delete the icon at the end of the subject line to get it to post.

Test
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Fantom on December 08, 2017, 03:26:34 am


So, if you use <b  and close it with </B   you get  perma bold.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 08, 2017, 03:27:54 am
Well apparently someone set a precedent for bold-face type, so at least we've got that going for us.

I just thought it was vociferousness.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 08, 2017, 03:39:07 am
If that is an answer, then he/she/it is incorrect on it being a precedent.  Franken never resigned so how is this a precedent for something?

Even if he did, this is not a singular case, and he/she/it knows it.  Others have gone through unsubstantiated allegations and had to bite the turf.

I always use HSI as I got cussed out once for gender confusion and will keep it gender neutral.

He's all yours now @RoosGirl   :laugh:

And thanks for the backing.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RoosGirl on December 08, 2017, 03:55:41 am
He's all yours now @RoosGirl   :laugh:

And thanks for the backing.

LOL  Nope, my good deed for the decade is done.  Besides, I could not pretend to explain you and do you justice.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 08, 2017, 04:13:17 am
I always use HSI as I got cussed out once for gender confusion and will keep it gender neutral.

I use him or her in conversation, because he/she/it is misinterpreted by people with certain accents.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RetBobbyMI on December 08, 2017, 06:43:44 am
I use him or her in conversation, because he/she/it is misinterpreted by people with certain accents.
Just do like kids do now a days, use “they” for everything.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow
Post by: txradioguy on December 08, 2017, 02:07:41 pm
Rats by any other name.

Are GOPe
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Polly Ticks on December 08, 2017, 02:42:02 pm

Kool, my powers wore off.  :smokin:

And now I look like a crazy person.  Bonus!!
 :seeya:
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Restored on December 08, 2017, 03:10:04 pm
And he's still there
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 08, 2017, 06:17:01 pm
Quite a dangerous precedent is being set here.
If mere allegation is enough to call for resignation, yes, and you can bet your bottom dollar that that axe will be used against the GOP at every opportunity, but even more to trim the Congressional Ranks of anyone who won't play nice with the Uniparty.

This will permit the consolidation of power into the hands of the Capitol Hill Mob, and the people will lose any say in what happens up there. This is the reason for the attacks on Moore, who would be the worst nightmare for McConnell and Co. on the Hill.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RetBobbyMI on December 08, 2017, 06:22:46 pm
If Franken fails to resign, the Dems can’t clamor for Moore’s head. Now that the only accuser who level criminal accusations has recanted her story, any more clamoring is just that, more partisan BS.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on December 08, 2017, 07:20:20 pm
If mere allegation is enough to call for resignation, yes, and you can bet your bottom dollar that that axe will be used against the GOP at every opportunity, but even more to trim the Congressional Ranks of anyone who won't play nice with the Uniparty.

This will permit the consolidation of power into the hands of the Capitol Hill Mob, and the people will lose any say in what happens up there. This is the reason for the attacks on Moore, who would be the worst nightmare for McConnell and Co. on the Hill.

Two points: 1) it wasn't allegations with Franken; there were photographs, and 2) he hasn't actually resigned.  Therefore back to whomever was asking about the presumption of a precedent - there isn't one.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on December 08, 2017, 10:42:13 pm
If mere allegation is enough to call for resignation, yes, and you can bet your bottom dollar that that axe will be used against the GOP at every opportunity, but even more to trim the Congressional Ranks of anyone who won't play nice with the Uniparty.

This will permit the consolidation of power into the hands of the Capitol Hill Mob, and the people will lose any say in what happens up there. This is the reason for the attacks on Moore, who would be the worst nightmare for McConnell and Co. on the Hill.
Unsure of what you mean as a 'precedent'.

See attached Congressional Research Service Report.

It reports that between 1977 to when this report was dated in 2008, 38 Senators have had allegations against them the Senate Ethics Committee has considered.  At least one resigned due to sexual misconduct.

https://books.google.com/books?id=2ffxkryEOd4C&pg=PT1&lpg=PT1&dq=history+of+senators+resigning+for+sexual+conduct+allegations&source=bl&ots=iwlqI8hAem&sig=uNW0BGNJTF5pQjz_OOJmkPVO3KA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjh-YzWu_vXAhWo4IMKHYycBMg4ZBDoAQgzMAI#v=onepage&q=history%20of%20senators%20resigning%20for%20sexual%20conduct%20allegations&f=false

And, BTW, Franken has NOT resigned.  No date has been set, he is just bloviating to appease.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on December 08, 2017, 10:47:39 pm
And why would a Giant of the Senate resign anyway?

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51KBpKVRPYL._SX330_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on December 08, 2017, 10:49:57 pm
And why would a Giant of the Senate resign anyway?

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51KBpKVRPYL._SX330_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

 :mauslaff: :mauslaff:
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 08, 2017, 10:56:49 pm
If Franken fails to resign, the Dems can’t clamor for Moore’s head. Now that the only accuser who level criminal accusations has recanted her story, any more clamoring is just that, more partisan BS.

McConnell has all but promised an ethics investigation.  It's guaranteed to get national coverage if they do it.  Losing Franken in MN is no big deal to them with a Dem governor.  They'd be willing to live with the short term accusations of hypocrisy, if they get a shot at expelling Moore.

The tricky part is what would come after. The voters of Alabama would have already decided he was fit to serve, after hearing the same accusations the Senate did.  Throwing out a duly elected senator against the wishes of his constituents could have far-reaching effects down the road for Democrats in vulnerable seats and Republicans who cooperated.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 08, 2017, 10:58:45 pm
And why would a Giant of the Senate resign anyway?

The content of the book is even better. It's basically a confession about how he is a phony. He talks about how he is not a serious legislator and is not sorry for any of the things he's said or done in the past.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on December 08, 2017, 11:44:52 pm
McConnell has all but promised an ethics investigation.  It's guaranteed to get national coverage if they do it.  Losing Franken in MN is no big deal to them with a Dem governor.  They'd be willing to live with the short term accusations of hypocrisy, if they get a shot at expelling Moore.

The tricky part is what would come after. The voters of Alabama would have already decided he was fit to serve, after hearing the same accusations the Senate did.  Throwing out a duly elected senator against the wishes of his constituents could have far-reaching effects down the road for Democrats in vulnerable seats and Republicans who cooperated.
If you read my earlier post on the history of Senate Ethics investigations, there were 38 Senators that had ethics allegations that were investigated from 1977 to 2008 or over one per year.

Most are theatrics so I would not expect Mitch to use this as anything but a bury.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 08, 2017, 11:48:03 pm
If you read my earlier post on the history of Senate Ethics investigations, there were 38 Senators that had ethics allegations that were investigated from 1977 to 2008 or over one per year.

Most are theatrics so I would not expect Mitch to use this as anything but a bury.

Maybe, but according to Roy, good ol' Mitch really has it out for him.  So, one of those things has to be incorrect.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Fishrrman on December 09, 2017, 01:48:16 am
A question for anyone still reading this thread, and I DARE YOU to answer:

Who would you rather have in that Minnesota Senate seat:
- Al Franken the groper
or
- Keith Ellison, the muslim... ??
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 09, 2017, 01:51:43 am
A question for anyone still reading this thread, and I DARE YOU to answer:

Who would you rather have in that Minnesota Senate seat:
- Al Franken the groper
or
- Keith Ellison, the muslim... ??

You're assuming that's the only choice.  There's a difference between carrying a district and a statewide race.  He's not the one the governor would appoint anyway.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on December 09, 2017, 09:56:00 pm
@IsailedawayfromFR
@Right_in_Virginia

Look, I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but dammit, she answered you.

If you're not satisfied with the answer then ask for clarification of one point or another about it, but this is clearly an answer, even to me, and everybody knows I *never* stick up for RiV.
Hey RG.

Have you figured out yet what a 'precedent' is?

Let me know when it finally comes to you.

I'll give you a clue:  it already happened. @RoosGirl
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RoosGirl on December 10, 2017, 12:48:47 am
Hey RG.

Have you figured out yet what a 'precedent' is?

Let me know when it finally comes to you.

I'll give you a clue:  it already happened. @RoosGirl

@IsailedawayfromFR No, but it's not really something I'm interested in pursuing.  Whether it's a precedent or not doesn't matter much to me.  But, I actually agree with @Right_in_Virginia and many others here that think that destroying a man's career and reputation based on a he said/she said is dangerous.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on December 10, 2017, 01:05:07 am
@IsailedawayfromFR No, but it's not really something I'm interested in pursuing.  Whether it's a precedent or not doesn't matter much to me.  But, I actually agree with @Right_in_Virginia and many others here that think that destroying a man's career and reputation based on a he said/she said is dangerous.
Just to be clear:  You do not care that a 'precedent' has NOT been set. The record is clear that it is NOT a precedent as it is a LIE.

You appear to be one who likes people as on facebook. I Never do that.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RoosGirl on December 10, 2017, 01:12:43 am
Just to be clear:  You do not care that a 'precedent' has NOT been set. The record is clear that it is NOT a precedent as it is a LIE.

I think I was clear before.  I don't care one way or the other about a precedent.



Quote
You appear to be one who likes people as on facebook. I Never do that.

I have no idea what this means.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on December 10, 2017, 01:25:32 am
I think I was clear before.  I don't care one way or the other about a precedent.
So why would anybody sane come about on a precedent that is not a precedent?

Are you alcoholic or something?
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RoosGirl on December 10, 2017, 01:27:08 am
So why would anybody sane come about on a precedent that is not a precedent?

Are you alcoholic or something?

Yes, I'm an alcoholic.  You probably want to stop pestering me now.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Fantom on December 10, 2017, 01:30:45 am
And now I look like a crazy person.  Bonus!!
 :seeya:

Now now.. you are just a bit off.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on December 10, 2017, 01:31:43 am
Yes, I'm an alcoholic.  You probably want to stop pestering me now.
At least we are rendering an honest opinion.
And BTW, that does not absolve the illiterate response.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Fantom on December 10, 2017, 01:33:52 am
A question for anyone still reading this thread, and I DARE YOU to answer:

Who would you rather have in that Minnesota Senate seat:
- Al Franken the groper
or
- Keith Ellison, the muslim... ??

I'll take the moslem for $500.00.

May as well lay out the OOB. Why hide behind the curtain.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 10, 2017, 01:34:31 am
 :2popcorn: :2popcorn: :2popcorn: :2popcorn:
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RoosGirl on December 10, 2017, 01:42:43 am
At least we are rendering an honest opinion.
And BTW, that does not absolve the illiterate response.

Listen, I've been as cordial as I can be with you.  I don't know what your problem is, but I am not the person you want to hash your issues out with.  If you have questions about a precedent, bring it up with the person that initiated the idea; hint, it wasn't me.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Fantom on December 10, 2017, 01:49:14 am
:mauslaff: :mauslaff:


 888high58888
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on December 10, 2017, 03:39:45 pm
Listen, I've been as cordial as I can be with you.  I don't know what your problem is, but I am not the person you want to hash your issues out with.  If you have questions about a precedent, bring it up with the person that initiated the idea; hint, it wasn't me.
Am trying to clear up inaccuracies in postings made by others, and you supported the inaccuracy.

Have a good day.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RoosGirl on December 10, 2017, 03:48:30 pm
Am trying to clear up inaccuracies in postings made by others, and you supported the inaccuracy.

Have a good day.


Speaking of inaccuracy...
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 10, 2017, 04:04:47 pm

Speaking of inaccuracy...

You're not going to have a good day?   :crying:
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RoosGirl on December 10, 2017, 04:15:17 pm
You're not going to have a good day?   :crying:

Me having a bad day would set a precedent which is an inaccuracy that I cannot support.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: jpsb on December 10, 2017, 04:38:13 pm
Has Al Frankin actually resigned yet? I think he said he was gong to resign one of these days, correct?
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 10, 2017, 04:41:37 pm
Me having a bad day would set a precedent which is an inaccuracy that I cannot support.


That often is the case with alcoholism.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 10, 2017, 04:41:56 pm
Has Al Frankin actually resigned yet? I think he said he was gong to resign one of these days, correct?
Just as soon as Obamacare is repealed and Hillary is in Supermax. :shrug:
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Sanguine on December 10, 2017, 04:45:21 pm

That often is the case with alcoholism.

Wow.   :nometalk:
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RoosGirl on December 10, 2017, 04:48:04 pm

That often is the case with alcoholism.

So my hepatologist keeps telling me.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Polly Ticks on December 10, 2017, 07:33:15 pm
So my hepatologist keeps telling me.

(https://i.imgur.com/wBO7PwJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RoosGirl on December 10, 2017, 07:35:35 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/wBO7PwJ.jpg)

 888high58888
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Emjay on December 10, 2017, 08:06:40 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/wBO7PwJ.jpg)

Now, that's funny.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Emjay on December 10, 2017, 08:08:00 pm
I use him or her in conversation, because he/she/it is misinterpreted by people with certain accents.

I read a sci fi book a while back in which everyone was referred to as 'it.'

We may have to come to that.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Emjay on December 10, 2017, 08:10:56 pm
A question for anyone still reading this thread, and I DARE YOU to answer:

Who would you rather have in that Minnesota Senate seat:
- Al Franken the groper
or
- Keith Ellison, the muslim... ??

I can take a dare and I don't want a muslim or an idiot in the Senate.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 10, 2017, 08:18:56 pm
I read a sci fi book a while back in which everyone was referred to as 'it.'

We may have to come to that.

You should read This Perfect Day by Ira Levin.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Emjay on December 10, 2017, 08:26:19 pm
You should read This Perfect Day by Ira Levin.

Thanks, I'll try to find it at the library.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 10, 2017, 08:43:26 pm
Thanks, I'll try to find it at the library.

I think you'll find it fairly accurate concerning political correctness and multi-culturalism.  Written in 1970.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 11, 2017, 12:14:29 am
Thanks, I'll try to find it at the library.

It's on Kindle.

https://www.amazon.com/This-Perfect-Day-Ira-Levin-ebook/dp/B00T5PI65W/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1512951205&sr=8-1 (https://www.amazon.com/This-Perfect-Day-Ira-Levin-ebook/dp/B00T5PI65W/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1512951205&sr=8-1)
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on December 11, 2017, 01:53:31 am
It's on Kindle.


In case anyone wants to support the guy who owns the Washington Compost.

[Note:  I edited the quote above to remove the link to amazon]
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 11, 2017, 01:58:04 am
In case anyone wants to support the guy who owns the Washington Compost.

[Note:  I edited the quote above to remove the link to amazon]

Did you edit it out with Microsoft or Apple software?  Nevermind, it wouldn’t matter.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RoosGirl on December 11, 2017, 02:06:40 am
Did you edit it out with Microsoft or Apple software?  Nevermind, it wouldn’t matter.

Maybe he's using Ubuntu.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on December 11, 2017, 02:06:49 am
Did you edit it out with Microsoft or Apple software?  Nevermind, it wouldn’t matter.

No,  Firefox on Linux.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 11, 2017, 02:37:27 am
Maybe he's using Ubuntu.

Didn’t he play for the Houston Rockets?
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: RoosGirl on December 11, 2017, 02:42:38 am
Didn’t he play for the Houston Rockets?

What is that?  Hockey?
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: roamer_1 on December 11, 2017, 02:44:10 am
No,  Firefox on Linux.

HA! SMACK!

 888high58888

I just built a bit of Minty goodness = Testing for a TV/media server... Gonna be fun.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 11, 2017, 03:13:55 am
No,  Firefox on Linux.

Great.  Firefox.  The people that booted Eich for donating $1K to Prop 8.

Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on December 11, 2017, 03:31:57 am
Great.  Firefox.  The people that booted Eich for donating $1K to Prop 8.

Yeah, I totally lose sleep over all the money I've never given them.

I can't imagine how guilty I'd feel if I supported the owner of the Compost.
Title: Re: Breaking- senator Al Franken to resign tomorrow 🚨
Post by: edpc on December 11, 2017, 03:43:56 am
Yeah, I totally lose sleep over all the money I've never given them.

I can't imagine how guilty I'd feel if I supported the owner of the Compost.

Probably about as guilty as leftist feel about their paper, carpet, fuel, data connections, and food they buy created by Koch Industries subsidiaries.