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Jeff Flake takes to Senate floor to suggest Trump committed TREASON by giving 'aid and comfort' to 'enemy' Russia
President Trump's controversial summit with Vladimir Putin is sparking new further divisions in Congress
GOP Sen. Jeff Flake and Democratic Delaware Sen. Chris Coons offered an amendment calling for notes from summit, praising Justice Department
Flake delivered a blistering speech accusing Trump of providing 'aid and comfort' to Russia
Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn blocked the resolution
Senate Leader Mitch McConnell asks two panels to consider sanctions
By Geoff Earle, Deputy U.s. Political Editor For Dailymail.com
Published: 14:28 EDT, 19 July 2018 | Updated: 16:43 EDT, 19 July 2018
The Trump-Helsinki summit brought new accusations in Congress Thursday, as GOP Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona accused the president of providing 'aid and comfort' to the enemy.
Flake's choice of words evoked the Constitution's definition of treason – at a time when President Trump is facing a new level of scrutiny for his refusal to forcefully condemn Russian President Vladimir Putin for election meddling during their summit meeting Monday in Finland.
'By choosing to reject objective reality in Helsinki, the president let down the free world by giving aid and comfort to an enemy of democracy. In so doing he dimmed the light of freedom ever so slightly in our own country,' said Flake, a Trump critic who has announced his retirement from the Senate at the end of his term.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5971475/Flake-suggests-TREASON-Senate-floor-saying-Trump-gave-aid-comfort-enemy.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5971475/Flake-suggests-TREASON-Senate-floor-saying-Trump-gave-aid-comfort-enemy.html)
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Jeff Flake is so FOS his eyes are brown!
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The world has gone completely insane.
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The world has gone completely insane.
Trump has gone completely insane.
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Trump has gone completely insane.
Heal thyself Vicky
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All those who'll miss Jeff flake say aye!
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Jeff Flake is so FOS his eyes are brown!
I don't claim to know what makes Flake tick, but I wouldn't be surprised if we don't eventually learn that Jeff Flake has really horrible criminal skeletons in his closet--and is thus desperate to get Trump removed ASAP for the same reasons that so many Dems and RINOs are so desperate. (Remember: Flake is tied to McCain, and McCain is amazingly dirty.)
Flake's self-righteous rhetoric reminds me of Comey and Strzok and Brennan. (Only a complete fool can believe any of these guys are Heroes of the Constitutional Republic.)
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Flakey needs to make some waves, so he will inherit the McCain slot, on Sunday morning Opinion
TBEE shows.
Mark Levin just did a hot segment, on why nobody is reporting on Cable TB, that Brennan, voting for CPUSA candidate Gus Hall?.
Anybody with such a history, ought to be the one answering questions about Russia.
Yet in the convoluted world of democrats, media, several #nevertrump Republicans," that apparently goes without mention while Brennan trashes Trump daily.
Somebody owes this site, a psychobabble analysis, of how such things occur?
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I don't claim to know what makes Flake tick, but I wouldn't be surprised if we don't eventually learn that Jeff Flake has really horrible criminal skeletons in his closet--and is thus desperate to get Trump removed ASAP for the same reasons that so many Dems and RINOs are so desperate. (Remember: Flake is tied to McCain, and McCain is amazingly dirty.)
Flake's self-righteous rhetoric reminds me of Comey and Strzok and Brennan. (Only a complete fool can believe any of these guys are Heroes of the Constitutional Republic.)
I was thinking more in the lines of a brain tumor...
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I was thinking more in the lines of a brain tumor...
Ah... the Songbird defense! :cool:
Nice.
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I don't claim to know what makes Flake tick, but I wouldn't be surprised if we don't eventually learn that Jeff Flake has really horrible criminal skeletons in his closet--and is thus desperate to get Trump removed ASAP for the same reasons that so many Dems and RINOs are so desperate. (Remember: Flake is tied to McCain, and McCain is amazingly dirty.)
Flake's self-righteous rhetoric reminds me of Comey and Strzok and Brennan. (Only a complete fool can believe any of these guys are Heroes of the Constitutional Republic.)
Well, he did pull strings with the County Prosecutor to get his kid off on an animal cruelty rap. Jr. let 23 dogs in his kennel die in the Arizona heat a couple years back. I think he knew that was going to come up in his reelection.
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Ah... the Songbird defense! :cool:
Nice.
OMG. You guys are just too deep into black humor. (Yeah, I thought it was funny!)
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I hope Flake runs third party.
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Well, he did pull strings with the County Prosecutor to get his kid off on an animal cruelty rap. Jr. let 23 dogs in his kennel die in the Arizona heat a couple years back. I think he knew that was going to come up in his reelection.
Horrible story. Poor dogs.
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Then Dumya committed "treason" too....
Cordial Rivals: How Bush And Putin Became Friends
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/18/world/cordial-rivals-how-bush-and-putin-became-friends.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/18/world/cordial-rivals-how-bush-and-putin-became-friends.html)
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Horrible story. Poor dogs.
Indeed it is horrible. Jeff Flake saw to it the parents of all those good dogs were denied their day in court, while his kid got off scot-free. This happened just a couple miles from me, and people were angry about it.
Austin Flake ignored a failed air conditioner in a house that caused the interior temperature to go well over 100 degrees where those dogs were cooped up. They didn't even have adequate water. June is hot AF in Phoenix.
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I hope Flake runs third party.
DeeCee needs more crap weasels.
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DeeCee needs more crap weasels.
@Cyber Liberty
I'm sorry. That is unintelligible for me. Was my message clear?
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Heal thyself Vicky
Don't think that is possible with her skill set. She'll need to find a real Doctor.
BTW there is a reason Jeff Fruity Flake is leaving his job and it isn't because of anything Trump did. It is because he has been so underwater in his state for being a lying piece for filth that his constituents HATE him. Been that way for at least 5 years. Gang of 8 anyone?
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Lighten up, Jeff.
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Flake was and is - a fake and a fraud.
McCainiac and Little Lindsey must be so proud of their little protégé.
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Flake was and is - a fake and a fraud.
McCainiac and Little Lindsey must be so proud of their little protégé.
Actually Grahamnesty is showing more spine and resolve recently than Flakey could ever hope to muster.
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@Cyber Liberty
I'm sorry. That is unintelligible for me. Was my message clear?
I think so. I think you were wanting Jeff Flake to challenge Trump as a third party candidate. Jeff Flake is a crap weasel. I guess I should ask if I erred?
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I think so. I think you were wanting Jeff Flake to challenge Trump as a third party candidate. Jeff Flake is a crap weasel. I guess I should ask if I erred?
I think I understand you to mean Jeff Flake is a crap weasel and DC needs more people like Jeff. But you are being sarcastic, Yes?
Very witty. Thanx for your reply.
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I think so. I think you were wanting Jeff Flake to challenge Trump as a third party candidate. Jeff Flake is a crap weasel. I guess I should ask if I erred?
The poster looooooves him some Flake. It's either the ridiculous frosted dyed hair, his ability to look and be stupid at the same time or the constant selling out, but he loooooves him some Flake.
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I think I understand you to mean Jeff Flake is a crap weasel and DC needs more people like Jeff. But you are being sarcastic, Yes?
Very witty. Thanx for your reply.
Yes, there was most definitely sarcasm in there. Flake is not a good person, and I really think we have enough not-good people in DeeCee...
He was a really good Rep, and the only thing I didn't like was that he lied to me about term limiting himself. I should have seen that as a sign. The moment he was elected Senator he turned on us, his constituents, and thought he could be another John McCain. The voters thought otherwise, so he's out in one term. :shrug:
I could be the neverest Trump of them all, and I'd still hate the notion of Flake running against him. Although, the word fight between the two would be comedy gold.
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The poster looooooves him some Flake. It's either the ridiculous frosted dyed hair, his ability to look and be stupid at the same time or the constant selling out, but he loooooves him some Flake.
That's too bad. Flake stands right next to his pal McCain on my list.
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Since Communism "died", did Congress declare war on Russia? Or is Flake telegraphing a punch?
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Actually Grahamnesty is showing more spine and resolve recently than Flakey could ever hope to muster.
That's only because Lil' Lindsey gets off on watching gritty men in uniform fight and use their guns, wishing he were of their caliber, or that one of them would ask him out.
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I think so. I think you were wanting Jeff Flake to challenge Trump as a third party candidate. Jeff Flake is a crap weasel. I guess I should ask if I erred?
@Cyber Liberty
Crap weasels are very popular in many quarters. They have to be or we would have so many of them "serving" us!
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This is asinine. The statement and entire presser was cringe worthy and idiotic, but even with the biggest stretch it doesn't amount to treason. Stupid yes, treason no.
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This is asinine. The statement and entire presser was cringe worthy and idiotic, but even with the biggest stretch it doesn't amount to treason. Stupid yes, treason no.
Was Jeffy so outraged when Obama told Medvedev, “This is my last election … After my election I have more flexibility,â€
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Looking forward to Flake's retirement! :seeya: :patriot:
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The poster looooooves him some Flake. It's either the ridiculous frosted dyed hair, his ability to look and be stupid at the same time or the constant selling out, but he loooooves him some Flake.
Then what you are really saying is the poster loves him some frosted flake.
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Flakes
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This is what passes for a Republican these days.
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This is what passes for a Republican these days.
The Republicans in AZ don't think so. He decided to "retire" when he discovered he can't get elected Dog Catcher in AZ.
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The Republicans in AZ don't think so. He decided to "retire" when he discovered he can't get elected Dog Catcher in AZ.
@Cyber Liberty
Those are the same people that keep electing John McLunatic.
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This is what passes for a Republican these days.
Flake's status as a Republican Senator helps to explain the report of Trump telling Putin that a lot of Americans are stupid--another "rare" example of Trump being completely honest and not at all exaggerative. I could only wish that Trump had known in advance that Flake would level his stupid charges against Trump.
Trump could have told Putin that a lot of Americans are flakes. (I'm not sure how well it would have translated, but it would have framed a wonderful joke for us over here.)
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@Cyber Liberty
Those are the same people that keep electing John McLunatic.
They're having a "Rare Moment of Clarity." Might be the dog thing, too.
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Flake's status as a Republican Senator helps to explain the report of Trump telling Putin that a lot of Americans are stupid--another "rare" example of Trump being completely honest and not at all exaggerative.
How about that. I agree with Trump once again. I'm unsure how many times that has happened, but it's got to be getting close to double digits since the election.
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The world has gone completely insane.
I know! I can hardly stand to post here anymore with all the hysterical people. I probably wait until a new topic arises. To Russia with hate.
I cannot believe the democrats, abetted by some Republicans, have managed to turn a triumph into a disaster in the eyes of .... well, who?
Nobody sane. But insanity has run rampant. It's out of control.
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I know! I can hardly stand to post here anymore with all the hysterical people. I probably wait until a new topic arises. To Russia with hate.
I cannot believe the democrats, abetted by some Republicans, have managed to turn a triumph into a disaster in the eyes of .... well, who?
Nobody sane. But insanity has run rampant. It's out of control.
"Triumph" LOL . So much winning :silly:
As Rush Limbaugh once said "If you can't laugh at yourself, listen to me laugh at you, and laugh with me."
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I know! I can hardly stand to post here anymore with all the hysterical people. I probably wait until a new topic arises. To Russia with hate.
I cannot believe the democrats, abetted by some Republicans, have managed to turn a triumph into a disaster in the eyes of .... well, who?
Nobody sane. But insanity has run rampant. It's out of control.
Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs
Got to keep the loonies on the path
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The lunatic is on the grass.
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Jeff Flake is so FOS his eyes are brown!
Flakey must be using Commie Brennan, to proofread his last few speeches, until he moves to DC to appear weekly in the McCain chair for news/opinion media.
Flakey going to be disappointed, when he learns the seat went instead to Milt Rominey.
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The lunatic is on the grass.
There is no dark side of the Moon really, matter of fact, it's all dark....HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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There is no dark side of the Moon really, matter of fact, it's all dark....HAHAHAHAHAHA!
"Speak to Me"
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"Speak to Me"
"I certainly was in the right."
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Trump has gone completely insane.
Give it a rest @Victoria33 You have reached your quota of delusional posts for the day.
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I don't claim to know what makes Flake tick, but I wouldn't be surprised if we don't eventually learn that Jeff Flake has really horrible criminal skeletons in his closet--and is thus desperate to get Trump removed ASAP for the same reasons that so many Dems and RINOs are so desperate. (Remember: Flake is tied to McCain, and McCain is amazingly dirty.)
Flake's self-righteous rhetoric reminds me of Comey and Strzok and Brennan. (Only a complete fool can believe any of these guys are Heroes of the Constitutional Republic.)
The government is so full of traitors put there by Obama and other leftists before him that we are in real danger from them.
But I think this wild attack on Trump after the Putin meeting is their last best shot and they are going all out on it. Once the public realizes that this is a total red herring (pun intended) and gets tired of it, I hope they will give up.
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Flakey needs to make some waves, so he will inherit the McCain slot, on Sunday morning Opinion
TBEE shows.
Mark Levin just did a hot segment, on why nobody is reporting on Cable TB, that Brennan, voting for CPUSA candidate Gus Hall?.
Anybody with such a history, ought to be the one answering questions about Russia.
Yet in the convoluted world of democrats, media, several #nevertrump Republicans," that apparently goes without mention while Brennan trashes Trump daily.
Somebody owes this site, a psychobabble analysis, of how such things occur?
It's a total result of Trump derangement syndrome. We see it here on this site. People cannot see reality when they are consumed by Trump hate.
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Horrible story. Poor dogs.
Animal cruelty is one thing even lefties can't stand.
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Flake's status as a Republican Senator helps to explain the report of Trump telling Putin that a lot of Americans are stupid--another "rare" example of Trump being completely honest and not at all exaggerative. I could only wish that Trump had known in advance that Flake would level his stupid charges against Trump.
Trump could have told Putin that a lot of Americans are flakes. (I'm not sure how well it would have translated, but it would have framed a wonderful joke for us over here.)
Honesty from Trump terrifies liberals, It's like a cross to a vampire.
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the president let down the free world by giving aid and comfort to an enemy of democracy.
Thankfully, that's not the definition of treason. Moron.
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Honesty from Trump terrifies liberals, It's like a cross to a vampire.
It's the hot chick vampires that you truly have to look out for. Thankfully there are no hot Rat Vampire chicks. Now if there were hot Rat Vamp chicks we would be in trouble. But since most of them look like Whoopie Goldberg or that Rosey O'Donnell we don't have a worry. Here is the scenerio for my premise. Say you be partying at some dance club, thinking you're hot shit and that you can groove with the best of the retarded clubbers, when all of a sudden some gorgeous, bangable piece approaches you and starts feeling you up in the middle of the dance floor. Oh MAN! She's just so hot! And you're like, "There's no way I'm this lucky... But what the bleep, why not." Then you sneak her off to the coat check room (?) or some dark, back alley for a quick snoggin' or a shaggin', when all of a sudden she pulls out a coc--...... ummmm, I mean she shows you her "game face," complete with 3 inch fangs and yellow eyes and shit, and you're like "Whooooa! No way baby! If your eyes are glowing, there's no way I'm jumping into you without a parachute." Then the bitch rapes you.. Uh, I mean bites you and sucks you dry. I'm going to sue the shit out of that club!!!
Oh ah, what was the question again?
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It's the hot chick vampires that you truly have to look out for. Thankfully there are no hot Rat Vampire chicks. Now if there were hot Rat Vamp chicks we would be in trouble. But since most of them look like Whoopie Goldberg or that Rosey O'Donnell we don't have a worry.
Like Rush said, the purpose of Feminism was to give unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society.
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They're having a "Rare Moment of Clarity." Might be the dog thing, too.
@Cyber Liberty
Please keep Meagan McCain out of it.
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It's the hot chick vampires that you truly have to look out for. Thankfully there are no hot Rat Vampire chicks. Now if there were hot Rat Vamp chicks we would be in trouble. But since most of them look like Whoopie Goldberg or that Rosey O'Donnell we don't have a worry. Here is the scenerio for my premise. Say you be partying at some dance club, thinking you're hot shit and that you can groove with the best of the retarded clubbers, when all of a sudden some gorgeous, bangable piece approaches you and starts feeling you up in the middle of the dance floor. Oh MAN! She's just so hot! And you're like, "There's no way I'm this lucky... But what the bleep, why not." Then you sneak her off to the coat check room (?) or some dark, back alley for a quick snoggin' or a shaggin', when all of a sudden she pulls out a coc--...... ummmm, I mean she shows you her "game face," complete with 3 inch fangs and yellow eyes and shit, and you're like "Whooooa! No way baby! If your eyes are glowing, there's no way I'm jumping into you without a parachute." Then the bitch rapes you.. Uh, I mean bites you and sucks you dry. I'm going to sue the shit out of that club!!!
Oh ah, what was the question again?
Oh my goodness @The Ghost . You had me laughing and terrified at the same time.
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Oh my goodness @The Ghost . You had me laughing and terrified at the same time.
@Emjay
Don't get me started on Zombies....
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I hope Flake runs third party.
Me too. A Goldwater Republican. Very rare breed nowadays.
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Me too. A Goldwater Republican. Very rare breed nowadays.
It would be best if Flake not breed.
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Me too. A Goldwater Republican. Very rare breed nowadays.
He'd have to change Parties to "Republican" to achieve that.
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Me too. A Goldwater Republican. Very rare breed nowadays.
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Mark me, for Reagan-Trump Republican.
The ones that win.
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Me too. A Goldwater Republican. Very rare breed nowadays.
Mark me, for Reagan-Trump Republican.
The ones that win.
If he's calling Flake a "Goldwater Republican," it's yet another of the long, long list of things upon which we disagree. Goldwater was not a liar or promise breaker like Fake.
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He'd have to change Parties to "Republican" to achieve that.
@Cyber Liberty
And there it is.
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Mark me, for Reagan-Trump Republican.
The ones that win.
If he's calling Flake a "Goldwater Republican," it's yet another of the long, long list of things upon which we disagree. Goldwater was not a liar or promise breaker like Fake.
Goldwater wasn't an ankle biter.
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Me too. A Goldwater Republican. Very rare breed nowadays.
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Mark me, for Reagan-Trump Republican.
The ones that win.
@truth_seeker
Barry Goldwater would have been the greatest President America has ever seen if he had been elected.
For one thing,he would have stopped LBJ's so-called "War on Poverty"social programs that were designed to destroy America and keep the Dims in power forever. Even back then the Commu......,uhhh,Dims planned on paying for all those social programs by taxing the middle-classes,not the ruling classes they came from.
Goldwater was a genuine Republican from head to toe. Reagan was all the Republican he thought he could be and still get elected,and this takes nothing away from his successes. If anything they add to his credits.
There is also no question that Reagan was more subtle than Goldwater. Barry would get in your face. Reagan would laugh,change the subject,and then work in the background to get what he wanted done.
IF there is such a thing as an alternate universe,I want to live in the one where Goldwater was elected.
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The government is so full of traitors put there by Obama and other leftists before him that we are in real danger from them.
But I think this wild attack on Trump after the Putin meeting is their last best shot and they are going all out on it. Once the public realizes that this is a total red herring (pun intended) and gets tired of it, I hope they will give up.
I don't pretend to know all, but the internet is a real source of information if you desire to know something. I have read the comments about Flake and it sure doesn't show in his voting record. Flake on the issues puts him firmly in the right Conservative section. I highly doubt he is a Obama plant.
http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Jeff_Flake.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Jeff_Flake.htm)
Maybe these are all old votes and Flake has taken a turn for the worst? I don't know.
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@truth_seeker
Barry Goldwater would have been the greatest President America has ever seen if he had been elected.
For one thing,he would have stopped LBJ's so-called "War on Poverty"social programs that were designed to destroy America and keep the Dims in power forever. Even back then the Commu......,uhhh,Dims planned on paying for all those social programs by taxing the middle-classes,not the ruling classes they came from.
Goldwater was a genuine Republican from head to toe. Reagan was all the Republican he thought he could be and still get elected,and this takes nothing away from his successes. If anything they add to his credits.
There is also no question that Reagan was more subtle than Goldwater. Barry would get in your face. Reagan would laugh,change the subject,and then work in the background to get what he wanted done.
IF there is such a thing as an alternate universe,I want to live in the one where Goldwater was elected.
I don't know that we can say that for sure but it's very clear to me that this country would be tremendously better off today had he won.
Fact is that I'm still not fully recovered from him losing to that SOS Johnson.
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@truth_seeker
IF there is such a thing as an alternate universe,I want to live in the one where Goldwater was elected.
During 1965 I had two hot girlfriends in a row, and both of their Dad's wanted assurance I came from a Goldwater home.
I could honestly assure them my parents and grandparents were Republicans.
A couple of years later the first left the state for college.
I completely ruined it with the 2nd, who married a soldier that went on to have a 37 year career and reach Lt. Gen-3 star. Her dad prolly picked him.
Anyway back to Barry Goldwater. "Conservatism" has wandered, with the evangelicals clearly dominating, and that leaves Goldwater outside their circle--even if they say otherwise.
Goldwater was far more of the libertarian wing at his end. That also suits me well.
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I don't pretend to know all, but the internet is a real source of information if you desire to know something. I have read the comments about Flake and it sure doesn't show in his voting record. Flake on the issues puts him firmly in the right Conservative section. I highly doubt he is a Obama plant.
http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Jeff_Flake.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Jeff_Flake.htm)
Maybe these are all old votes and Flake has taken a turn for the worst? I don't know.
It's not just the votes, it's the rhetoric. I think the dogs thing was not helping him either, there were a lot of folks ready to make an issue of it.
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It's not just the votes, it's the rhetoric. I think the dogs thing was not helping him either, there were a lot of folks ready to make an issue of it.
The dog thing is bad. As for whether he is Obama plant. Don't believe it. Trump has been successful in at least one thing. A house divided.
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The dog thing is bad. As for whether he is Obama plant. Don't believe it. Trump has been successful in at least one thing. A house divided.
I'm not buying the Obastard plant thing, either. At the time, Jeff Flake was the logical candidate to replace Jon Kyl...he had done pretty well as Representative (although I was not happy he stayed in that office twice as long as he told me he was going to).
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I'm not buying the Obastard plant thing, either. At the time, Jeff Flake was the logical candidate to replace Jon Kyl...he had done pretty well as Representative (although I was not happy he stayed in that office twice as long as he told me he was going to).
Yeah read that. I think we should be careful about smearing people. Trump cannot do anything without support. I think that there were real issues with Helsinki and Ben Sasse really put it into perspective.
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Anyway back to Barry Goldwater. "Conservatism" has wandered, with the evangelicals clearly dominating, and that leaves Goldwater outside their circle--even if they say otherwise.
Goldwater was far more of the libertarian wing at his end. That also suits me well.
@truth_seeker
And THAT was correct for a conservative POV. It recognizes personal freedoms,whereas the Bible-Thumpers want us all to be slaves to their God,and to dictate to us how to live. There IS no freedom in a country dominated by religion,only slaves and masters.
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So Flake wants a friend in Washington.
What is the matter?
Can't he afford a dog?
:)
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There IS no freedom in a country dominated by religion,only slaves and masters.
There is no liberty in a country devoid of biblical morality and personal adherence to religion, you only have slaves and masters to the government then.
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@Emjay
Don't get me started on Zombies....
I killed so many zombies (vicariously) on The Walking Dead. But I gave the show up a couple of years ago. It lost its charm, or whatever. Or I just lost interest. But zombies have definitely taken over the weird world. I used to watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer. At least it took a little skill to take out a vampire.
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This is asinine. The statement and entire presser was cringe worthy and idiotic, but even with the biggest stretch it doesn't amount to treason. Stupid yes, treason no.
Wow, didn't expect that coming from you.
But yeah, I'm in 100% agreement. Flake obviously has some axe to grind against his orangeness.
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So Flake wants a friend in Washington.
What is the matter?
Can't he afford a dog?
:)
@Slide Rule
Even the dogs in DC can't be trusted,
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There is no liberty in a country devoid of biblical morality and personal adherence to religion, you only have slaves and masters to the government then.
@INVAR
You mean the morality that demands soldiers swing the babies of their enemies into stone walls to bash their brains out so that people will cease to exist?
Or maybe the morality that worships a kind and loving God that teaches children they will burn in hell fire forever if they have lustful thoughts,never mind actually do something lustful?
Or the morality of a people that worship a God that will condemn humans to hellfire forever for being jealous,and then turns around and claims "I am a jealous God,and you will have no other Gods before me!"
Ahhhh,there is just soooo MUCH love there!
Organized religion is about nothing but power and wealth. They use the threat of hell and the promise of eternal life to con the guilty and the weak-minded into doing anything they want them to do in order to avoid hell and live forever.
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I killed so many zombies (vicariously) on The Walking Dead. But I gave the show up a couple of years ago. It lost its charm, or whatever. Or I just lost interest. But zombies have definitely taken over the weird world. I used to watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer. At least it took a little skill to take out a vampire.
@Emjay
The Walking Dead isn't really about zombies or the supernatural. They were just the "tool" used to set the stage and to pull in younger viewers. It's really about what would happen if civilization were to collapse,and how we could or would go about restoring order again.
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@Emjay
The Walking Dead isn't really about zombies or the supernatural. They were just the "tool" used to set the stage and to pull in younger viewers. It's really about what would happen if civilization were to collapse,and how we could or would go about restoring order again.
@sneakypete Did you ever notice there were no fat zombies? What's up with that. There are a lot of fat people; did they suddenly lose weight when bitten?
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@sneakypete Did you ever notice there were no fat zombies? What's up with that. There are a lot of fat people; did they suddenly lose weight when bitten?
I always figured they were Anorexic from living with Democrats. :shrug:
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I always figured they were Anorexic from living with Democrats. :shrug:
There are two kinds of zombies. Regular, slow, leg-dragging overwieght zombies, and super-fast zombies. Both are stupid and can't figure out how to throw a rock through a window or talk more than two words (usually "eat" and "brains"), but the super-fast zombies are 30Xs scarier than the regular type. The super fast ones are the thin Zombies All the fastness speeds up their metabolism. The difference between the two is like this: You either see the hoard of zombies coming from 2 miles away, and you have about 6 hours to prepare your evacuation of the area, pack the car, lock the door, and leave food out for Fluffy; Or, you see the hoard of zombies coming from 2 miles away, and --- You're dead because they got to you before you could tell your wife, "Dear, there's zombies a'comin'."
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This zombie business is far more complicated than I thought....
Where does the baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire come it?
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This zombie business is far more complicated than I thought....
Where does the baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire come it?
Was that in season 7 of the Walking Dead?
I missed it! :)
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@sneakypete Did you ever notice there were no fat zombies? What's up with that. There are a lot of fat people; did they suddenly lose weight when bitten?
@Emjay
Don't know. I am guessing all that wandering around at 1 MPH limits the amount of food they eat.
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@Emjay
Don't know. I am guessing all that wandering around at 1 MPH limits the amount of food they eat.
I think we may be attributing more to that series than existed in it. It's sad because the first few years contained some really good stories.
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There are two kinds of zombies. Regular, slow, leg-dragging overwieght zombies, and super-fast zombies. Both are stupid and can't figure out how to throw a rock through a window or talk more than two words (usually "eat" and "brains"), but the super-fast zombies are 30Xs scarier than the regular type. The super fast ones are the thin Zombies All the fastness speeds up their metabolism. The difference between the two is like this: You either see the hoard of zombies coming from 2 miles away, and you have about 6 hours to prepare your evacuation of the area, pack the car, lock the door, and leave food out for Fluffy; Or, you see the hoard of zombies coming from 2 miles away, and --- You're dead because they got to you before you could tell your wife, "Dear, there's zombies a'comin'."
Fortunately, I never saw the 'fast zombie.' But leaving Fluffy to get eaten... that just ain't right.
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@truth_seeker
And THAT was correct for a conservative POV. It recognizes personal freedoms,whereas the Bible-Thumpers want us all to be slaves to their God,and to dictate to us how to live. There IS no freedom in a country dominated by religion,only slaves and masters.
That is why I said conservatism has wandered, and one (or more) of our members speaks as if he would be Lord Protector Oliver Cromwell, of a theocracy.
Flake together with #nevertrumpers on the left and right, are consumed with TDS, to an extent it mimics a mental illness, if not one in fact.
When they run their mouths, they only prove their ignorance.
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You mean the morality that demands soldiers swing the babies of their enemies into stone walls to bash their brains out so that people will cease to exist?
What 'morality' written in scripture demands that Petey? That war is hell is inarguable. War is a consequence of nations and their leaders not governed by God.
Or maybe the morality that worships a kind and loving God that teaches children they will burn in hell fire forever if they have lustful thoughts,never mind actually do something lustful?
Or the morality of a people that worship a God that will condemn humans to hellfire forever for being jealous,and then turns around and claims "I am a jealous God,and you will have no other Gods before me!"
Not all of us subscribe to that everlasting life in hellfire doctrine Pete. Some of us understand that there is no life after death except through Christ.
Ahhhh,there is just soooo MUCH love there!
Sometimes you let rebellious children suffer the consequences of going their own way and doing what they insist on doing. Love can be tough if you ever want your kid to mature.
Organized religion is about nothing but power and wealth.
That indeed is the history of nearly all organized religions on the planet.
They use the threat of hell and the promise of eternal life to con the guilty and the weak-minded into doing anything they want them to do in order to avoid hell and live forever.
I think you understand we all die and turn to dust. You're not interested in anything more than living it out in this miserable flesh? Is there something inherently evil in your estimation in the concept of reward for good works and punishment and denial of blessings for evil works?
You know, the evils of murder, torture, theft, betrayal, usury and other fun done by those who are not governed by doing whatever they want to do according to their lusts and desires because they have zero belief in morality.
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That is why I said conservatism has wandered, and one (or more) of our members speaks as if he would be Lord Protector Oliver Cromwell, of a theocracy.
Now you're just running with the Godless Leftists and stealing their talking points by accusing those who are advocating the culture be self-governed by the biblical traditions as demanding a theocracy.
How lazy and convenient for you.
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Now you're just running with the Godless Leftists and stealing their talking points by accusing those who are advocating the culture be self-governed by the biblical traditions as demanding a theocracy.
How lazy and convenient for you.
Hey, we're talkin' zombies here. Get with the program.
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Hey, we're talkin' zombies here. Get with the program.
Maybe we can get on the pie subject?
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Maybe we can get on the pie subject?
That could work also.
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That could work also.
I got a new Sous Vide precision cooker on Prime Day....
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Was Ike giving "Aid and Comfort" when he spoke out about the Military-Industrial Complex?
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I got a new Sous Vide precision cooker on Prime Day....
Sous-vide is a method of cooking in which food is placed in a plastic pouch or a glass jar and then placed in a water bath or steam environment for longer than normal cooking times at an accurately regulated temperature.
Okay then. Bet that makes for some mighty taste vittles.
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Sous-vide is a method of cooking in which food is placed in a plastic pouch or a glass jar and then placed in a water bath or steam environment for longer than normal cooking times at an accurately regulated temperature.
Okay then. Bet that makes for some mighty taste vittles.
Sure does. Steaks are easy-peasy to get cooked to the right "doneness." No chance of overcooking. I once made a Chuck Roast...cooked it for 36 hours, and it was as tender as a steak.
We made chicken breasts with it last night...they're awesome.
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Sure does. Steaks are easy-peasy to get cooked to the right "doneness." No chance of overcooking. I once made a Chuck Roast...cooked it for 36 hours, and it was as tender as a steak.
We made chicken breasts with it last night...they're awesome.
Your post made me think about digging out my Ronco "Set it and forget it" Showtime Rotisserie!
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Your post made me think about digging out my Ronco "Set it and forget it" Showtime Rotisserie!
We have a really big rotisserie. I can cook a 17lb turkey in there...if I have the patience! I've done Prime Rib in it.
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@truth_seeker
And THAT was correct for a conservative POV. It recognizes personal freedoms,whereas the Bible-Thumpers want us all to be slaves to their God,and to dictate to us how to live. There IS no freedom in a country dominated by religion,only slaves and masters.
Thus where you are so wrong. The Founding Fathers of many different denominations recognized one truth in Christ. Liberty.
I challenge you to find one example in the New Testament where Christ forces himself on anyone. Yes our government was founded on that truth that all men are created equal and with Liberty, and freedom.
I have been reading your replies. Your whole premise about God is he is a God of wrath and hell. Hell is a life without God. It is living in darkness with no relationship with a loving Father in Heaven
I am a person who recently has had Cancer. I am so grateful for my faith in God. Faith isn't about death it is about life. A life in Christ is about strength. A strength to live, and to do it with strength. Not a strength that comes from myself but a strength from God.
And the stupidity of people who argue the Bible is that it isn't meant for you if you choose not to believe. Simply don't worry about it. Why are you so concerned about hell if you don't believe in it?
Our government doesn't force God on anyone either.
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We have a really big rotisserie. I can cook a 17lb turkey in there...if I have the patience! I've done Prime Rib in it.
I know. Who has time for all that when you can just drop (a mostly thawed) bird into a vat of boiling cooking oil and let the overflow flame on and burn your porch or deck down!
Rotisserie cooking takes skills.
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The fallacy many on the Left believe is that Western Civilization is Christianity. So adhering to concepts of Western Civilization is 'forcing Christianity down peoples' throats'.
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The fallacy many on the Left believe is that Western Civilization is Christianity. So adhering to concepts of Western Civilization is 'forcing Christianity down peoples' throats'.
Well without question the principles are based on Christianity. Exactly why it isn't forced down people's throats. I will be interested to see if anyone can find a scripture in the New Testament where Jesus forces himself on anyone.
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Well without question the principles are based on Christianity. Exactly why it isn't forced down people's throats. I will be interested to see if anyone can find a scripture in the New Testament where Jesus forces himself on anyone.
I do believe this Nation was founded on basic concepts of Western Civilization, the Founding Fathers were made up of Christians and Deists.
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I will be interested to see if anyone can find a scripture in the New Testament where Jesus forces himself on anyone.
We live in a time when if you do not accept groupthink/PC - and consider certain behaviors sinful and refuse to acknowledge or engage in promoting them as wholesome and good, then you are 'forcing your religion down everyone's throat'. That you do not think as the majority do about moral issues - means you are insidiously tyrannical and judgmental and want a theocracy - simply because you are not going to bend your faith to please the mob.
We now exist at a time when everyone must walk in lockstep with everyone else's political beliefs and ideas - whether Left or Right or Secular or Christian - "You are with us or against us" is where we have arrived as a culture.
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A gentle reminder, dear members, that this forum's owner has asked us not to engage in religious debates. Let's get back on topic, shall we?
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A gentle reminder, dear members, that this forum's owner has asked us not to engage in religious debates. Let's get back on topic, shall we?
Absolutely. Now, where were we with the zombies?
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Absolutely. Now, where were we with the zombies?
I can discuss Werewolves too if you like..
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Heck, I was about to steer someone to a "sous vide" Facebook page. :pondering:
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I can discuss Werewolves too if you like..
I saw a werewolf drinking a piña colada at Trader Vic's.
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I saw a werewolf drinking a piña colada at Trader Vic's.
How was his hair?
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I can discuss Werewolves too if you like..
Imagine ghosts, gods and devils.
Imagine hells and heavens, cities floating in the sky and cities sunken in the sea
Unicorns and centaurs. Witches, warlocks, jinns and banshees.
Angels and harpies. Charms and incantations. Elementals, farmiliars, demons.
Easy to imagine all of those things: mankind has been imagining them for thousands of years.
Imagine spaceships and the future.
Easy to imagine; the future is really coming and there'll be spaceships in it.
Is there then anything that's really hard to imagine?
Of course there is.
Imagine a piece of matter and yourself inside it, yourself, aware, thinking and therefore knowing you exist, able to move that piece of matter that you're in," to make it sleep or wake, make love or walk uphill.
Imagine a universe-infinite or not, as you wish to picture it- with a billion, billion, billion suns in it.
Imagine a blob of mud whirling madly around one of those suns.
Imagine yourself standing on that blob of mud, whirling with it, whirling through time and space to an unknown destination.
Imagine!
Written by Fredric Brown, 1955
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Thank God you didn't quote Lennon's "Imagine".
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We live in a time when if you do not accept groupthink/PC - and consider certain behaviors sinful and refuse to acknowledge or engage in promoting them as wholesome and good, then you are 'forcing your religion down everyone's throat'. That you do not think as the majority do about moral issues - means you are insidiously tyrannical and judgmental and want a theocracy - simply because you are not going to bend your faith to please the mob.
We now exist at a time when everyone must walk in lockstep with everyone else's political beliefs and ideas - whether Left or Right or Secular or Christian - "You are with us or against us" is where we have arrived as a culture.
Which is not consistent with liberty. What you say is true. Group think is out of control. That isn't liberty. That is secular forcing all people to conform with their own idea of life. In order to finalize the Social programming God would have to go away. That is the reason they continue. Because they don't want to "co-exist". They want to dictate what you can and can't believe.
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Absolutely. Now, where were we with the zombies?
We're slow-cooking them in a Sous Vide vat.
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Heck, I was about to steer someone to a "sous vide" Facebook page. :pondering:
I'm a member of a couple of those.
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I'm a member of a couple of those.
A friend of mine administers a FB sous vide page. She added me to the group, but I really have no intention of using a sous vide, so I pretty much ignore the posts. ^-^
Sorry, we were supposed to get back on topic, so my comment is that Flake is a poopypants.
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How was his hair?
Perfect.
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A gentle reminder, dear members, that this forum's owner has asked us not to engage in religious debates. Let's get back on topic, shall we?
Where is the appropriate place, for almost hourly rhetorical claims of "You are wicked sinners, but I'm not?
There could be found emojis
-- Pearls clutched
-- Virtues signaled
-- Peacock morality feathers displayed
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How was his hair?
Perfect.
Derp.
(since no one else answered)
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@Chosen Daughter
@sneakypete
Thus where you are so wrong. The Founding Fathers of many different denominations recognized one truth in Christ. Liberty.
I challenge you to find one example in the New Testament where Christ forces himself on anyone. Yes our government was founded on that truth that all men are created equal and with Liberty, and freedom.
I have been reading your replies. Your whole premise about God is he is a God of wrath and hell. Hell is a life without God. It is living in darkness with no relationship with a loving Father in Heaven
I am a person who recently has had Cancer. I am so grateful for my faith in God. Faith isn't about death it is about life. A life in Christ is about strength. A strength to live, and to do it with strength. Not a strength that comes from myself but a strength from God.
And the stupidity of people who argue the Bible is that it isn't meant for you if you choose not to believe. Simply don't worry about it. Why are you so concerned about hell if you don't believe in it?
Our government doesn't force God on anyone either.
Ditto that. The overwhelming majority of our Constitution's Framers were devout, conservative Christians. If my memory of American history serves me correctly, there were 55 delegates to the Convention. Of these (again, quoting stats from memory), only a handful considered themselves Deists (maybe 3 or 4?). The rest were Quakers, Roman Catholics, plus one Jew, and a plethora of Protestants.
Notice that the data suggests that the non-religious or only quasi-religious fellows (the Deists) were outnumbered by the seriously religious fellows to the tune of about 14 to 1, or perhaps even 18 to 1. It also turns out that one of the very few professed Deists in the Convention was actually Benjamin Franklin himself--who was a lot more religion-minded than most of today's churchgoers. Franklin was a close friend of the Calvinistic Congregationalist preacher Jonathan Edwards and also an admirer of the Calvinistic Methodist evangelist George Whitefield.
If we were to move Franklin away from the presumably only quasi-religious category (the Deists), then those weakly (?) religious fellows are discovered to have been outnumbered by about 20 to 1.
Next, it is interesting to notice the breakdown of religious views among the seriously religious Framers of our Constitution. If I remember the biographical sketches that I read several years ago for all of the Framers, there were 3 Quakers, 3 Roman Catholics, and 1 Jew. All of the rest were devout Protestants--which means that the Protestants dominated the faction of the seriously religious Framers--which seriously religious Framers, in turn, numerically overwhelmed the marginally religious Framers.
The dominance of the Protestants in the Convention cannot be fully appreciated unless we understand that the Protestants of that era were peculiarly strong adherents to the Reformation's position of Sola Scriptura. (Even the Methodists in the Protestant group [5 or 6 in number, as I recall] were pretty strong Protestants in that era, as presumably also was the only Lutheran in the Protestant mix.)
The main reason for my mention of the Sola Scriptura position that pervaded the underlying views of our Framers is to point out that essentially our entire Constitution was framed based on the Bible itself. Even during the ratification process, the details of the Constitution's sundry provisions were largely defended by Christian ministers explaining the proposed Constitution using Biblical citations from both the Old and New Testaments. They preached these defenses of the proposed Constitution in churches and Statehouses throughout the colonies.
A few years later, Benjamin Franklin reportedly delighted to describe our American experiment to the crowned heads of Europe by saying We have founded a nation on the Bible.
Finally, I would point out that the Baptists (a small group in America at the time of the Framing) had an important role in the wording of the First Amendment, specifically lobbying for the provision guaranteeing Freedom of Religion. It was a Baptist preacher from Massachusetts named Isaac Backus who vigorously argued from the New Testament itself that the Bible rules out State Religion, rules out religious coercion of any sort by any proper government. Backus regarded any forced religious confession--or any mandated suppression thereof--as an affront to the Gospel.
Thus, even though hostility toward "Bible-Thumpers" is popular in our day--for example, among those who want to read the First Amendment as guaranteeing the haters of the Judeo-Christian God a kind of freedom from religion, a freedom from any sociopolitical vestige of religion--it turns out that our Framers would regard those anti-Judeo-Christian folks as second-rate patriots at best and at worst, political reprobates (like most of the Democrats in our day).
We therefore should not be terribly surprised that the majority of manifestly genuine Christians are Republicans (or have lately re-registered as Constitutionalists or Independents--in view of how crooked our own lying politicos have become). By the same token, we should not be surprised that a frightfully high percentage of Democrats openly despise our Judeo-Christian Constitution. They want no part of the God of the Bible.
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Where is the appropriate place, for almost hourly rhetorical claims of "You are wicked sinners, but I'm not?
There could be found emojis
-- Pearls clutched
-- Virtues signaled
-- Peacock morality feathers displayed
Thanks! (Notice that my post immediately above was just a potentially stinging summary of Constitutional history for the ignorant folks of our day!)
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Which is not consistent with liberty. What you say is true. Group think is out of control. That isn't liberty. That is secular forcing all people to conform with their own idea of life. In order to finalize the Social programming God would have to go away. That is the reason they continue. Because they don't want to "co-exist". They want to dictate what you can and can't believe.
When we cannot discuss religion and biblical moral principles, then we cannot discuss liberty at all.
All we can discuss is license, politics and what is tolerable for the mob and the state. Liberty no longer has a place at the table.
And soon, neither will freedom - except the freedom to do as one pleases with permission from the state.
No wonder the amount of vitriol being displayed by so-called Conservatives towards religion and the bible matches that of the Marxist Left.
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A friend of mine administers a FB sous vide page. She added me to the group, but I really have no intention of using a sous vide, so I pretty much ignore the posts. ^-^
Really? What's the page?
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What do you expect from a guy born in Snowflake, Az?
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@Chosen Daughter
@sneakypete
@the_doc @Chosen Daughter
True Believers are going to believe what they want to believe. That's what makes you True Believers.
I have no problem with that as long as you don't try to turn your dogma into law,and force it down the throats of others. If you do,you are no different than the Taliban,the Soviets,the Nazi's, or other True Believers.
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Really? What's the page?
Cook with Joule
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Cook with Joule
Joined!
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@the_doc @Chosen Daughter
True Believers are going to believe what they want to believe. That's what makes you True Believers.
I have no problem with that as long as you don't try to turn your dogma into law,and force it down the throats of others. If you do,you are no different than the Taliban,the Soviets,the Nazi's, or other True Believers.
Thanks for that reply @sneakypete.
All law has to have moral character, but laws rarely if ever need to be made on the grounds that "the Bible says such and such"--even if the Bible is a book of wisdom (as our Framers maintained when they used the Bible as a kind of structural template for our Constitution). Human laws should be based on natural law--things that are universally recognized by what our Founders called a "civil society." So, the unbeliever shouldn't fear anything onerous from a genuine Christian.
This is the reason why we don't have to institute a theocratic society in the name of Christianity. A secular society is possible. In fact, as Isaac Backus was ultimately arguing, a secular arrangement is oddly necessary. The Kingdom of Christ is "not of this world." (Even American Roman Catholics now generally recognize that Constantinism was a terrible blunder.)
Unfortunately, the secular society comes apart into violence and subsequent tyranny when the formerly civil society deteriorates into over-the-top incivility through the rotting effect of selfish depravity.
Our Founders repeatedly warned us about that mess--which seems to be where we are now. We have met the enemy of our Republic, and it is us. The most astute of our Framers suspected that this would eventually happen apart from a continually thriving Christian influence--sort of a Second Law of Spiritual Thermodynamics.
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Thanks for that reply @sneakypete.
All law has to have moral character, but laws rarely if ever need to be made on the grounds that "the Bible says such and such"
Do not omit saying our Founders were Englishmen, and had first beheaded Charles I,, then gone theocracy under Lord Protector Cromwell, before deciding they liked a King okay after all.
In other words, our nation was based on an informed experience with theocracy, and rejection thereof.
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@the_doc @Chosen Daughter
True Believers are going to believe what they want to believe. That's what makes you True Believers.
I have no problem with that as long as you don't try to turn your dogma into law,and force it down the throats of others. If you do,you are no different than the Taliban,the Soviets,the Nazi's, or other True Believers.
I agree with you. What laws do we have that you would regard as dogma now so I can address them?
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Thank God you didn't quote Lennon's "Imagine".
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I thought about it.
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Do not omit saying our Founders were Englishmen, and had first beheaded Charles I,, then gone theocracy under Lord Protector Cromwell, before deciding they liked a King okay after all.
@truth_seeker
Not really. For example,some of MY ancestors were already here,and already swapping atrocities with the British in the 1700's.
Also,not everybody that came what is now America on a ship flying the English flag was English. There were Scotsmen,Irish,Gypsies,Jews,Frenchmen,and all sorts of scoundrels from all over the world.
In FACT,the first slaveholder in the English-Speaking New World was a black man that came here as an indentured servant from one of the English islands in the Caribbean. He came to Jamestown,worked off his debt,and then got his own indentured free black servant,and refused to free him when his time was up. He,or his parents,were originally from Africa,not England.
And this ain't even addressing the Spanish parts of what is now America. The Spanish colony in what is now Florida pre-date Jamestown.
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I agree with you. What laws do we have that you would regard as dogma now so I can address them?
@Chosen Daughter
When I was growing up,the one that pissed me off the most were the Sunday Blue Laws.
Later,as an adult,I was threatened with arrest in Virginia when I moved in with a woman I wasn't married to . One of the Moral Moron neighbors reported us to the police,and the cops came by to give me a warning. I either had to get out,get married,or be arrested.
I don't know which,if any I would be violating today,and at my age I don't really give a damn. I'm going to continue breaking them.
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@Chosen Daughter
When I was growing up,the one that pissed me off the most were the Sunday Blue Laws.
Later,as an adult,I was threatened with arrest in Virginia when I moved in with a woman I wasn't married to . One of the Moral Moron neighbors reported us to the police,and the cops came by to give me a warning. I either had to get out,get married,or be arrested.
I don't know which,if any I would be violating today,and at my age I don't really give a damn. I'm going to continue breaking them.
Blue laws!! This wasn't that long ago in Irving. My route home from Church passed a Minyards and so many times I would be embarrassed because it was about ll:45 and I would try to buy a six pack of beer and was told I couldn't until noon. Did that make any sense??
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I don't claim to know what makes Flake tick, but I wouldn't be surprised if we don't eventually learn that Jeff Flake has really horrible criminal skeletons in his closet--and is thus desperate to get Trump removed ASAP for the same reasons that so many Dems and RINOs are so desperate. (Remember: Flake is tied to McCain, and McCain is amazingly dirty.)
Flake's self-righteous rhetoric reminds me of Comey and Strzok and Brennan. (Only a complete fool can believe any of these guys are Heroes of the Constitutional Republic.)
Yes, major RINO , like those other RINO'S you listed. ALL "GANG OF EIGHT", supporting illegals in our country.
Flake is leaving congress, but still wants to do as much damage as he can. Flake,, PERFECT NAME FOR HIM.
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Blue laws!! This wasn't that long ago in Irving. My route home from Church passed a Minyards and so many times I would be embarrassed because it was about ll:45 and I would try to buy a six pack of beer and was told I couldn't until noon. Did that make any sense??
When I lived in TX in 1980, I lived in a dry county. It never occurred to me to blame a church for it, I blamed the owners of the liquor stores in Coffee City. They lived in the same city I did and were buddies with the County Supervisors. Stupid me, huh?
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Yes, major RINO , like those other RINO'S you listed. ALL "GANG OF EIGHT", supporting illegals in our country.
Flake is leaving congress, but still wants to do as much damage as he can. Flake,, PERFECT NAME FOR HIM.
I don't like "Gangs of ANYTHING" in the Senate. They are designed to buck the will of the people. And yes, all four Pubbies in that particular gang were all RINOS, the Dems were consistent in their desire to ruin the country. Flake's participation in that one really pissed me off, because it was a direct betrayal of the very people who had just voted for him a couple months earlier.
One of them has an Atomic Kitten for an Avatar. (When are you getting an Avatar?)
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@truth_seeker
Not really. For example,some of MY ancestors were already here,and already swapping atrocities with the British in the 1700's.
Also,not everybody that came what is now America on a ship flying the English flag was English. There were Scotsmen,Irish,Gypsies,Jews,Frenchmen,and all sorts of scoundrels from all over the world.
In FACT,the first slaveholder in the English-Speaking New World was a black man that came here as an indentured servant from one of the English islands in the Caribbean. He came to Jamestown,worked off his debt,and then got his own indentured free black servant,and refused to free him when his time was up. He,or his parents,were originally from Africa,not England.
And this ain't even addressing the Spanish parts of what is now America. The Spanish colony in what is now Florida pre-date Jamestown.
There is plenty to learn of history beyond standard school books.
Relatively small numbers of African slaves were taken to the American colonies, comared to far more going to South America and, Central America, Mexico and the Caribbean.
I have DNA from "Iberian and Mediterranean" sources, not tied to any known paper trail ancestor in genealogy records.
I believe a significant racial contributor in Britain comes from Spain/France and Celtic migration, plus some from Roman days.
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Relatively small numbers of African slaves were taken to the American colonies, comared to far more going to South America and, Central America, Mexico and the Caribbean.
I have no idea what the starting date and the cutoff date were,but none of the first blacks to come to the BRITISH parts of the New World were slave. They were free men who came here as indentured servants,and the idea was they worked and paid off the expense of getting them here and feeding and housing them while they worked off their debt. This later changed after Johnson went to court to keep from having to release his indentured servant.
I used to know,but forgot the time frames when slavery was banned in England,and in the English colonies. Which is kind of ironic because the English working class were little more than slaves right up to the early 1920's. The key word here being "virtual",of course.
I have DNA from "Iberian and Mediterranean" sources, not tied to any known paper trail ancestor in genealogy records.
That's no surprise. Records weren't all that well kept back then,and most people couldn't read or write.
I believe a significant racial contributor in Britain comes from Spain/France and Celtic migration, plus some from Roman days.
I do,too. There were also gypsies in the mix. Being a seafaring nation,I'm guessing you could run across pretty much anything along the waterfront,including Indians from India,and Chinese.
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I have no idea what the starting date and the cutoff date were,but none of the first blacks to come to the BRITISH parts of the New World were slave. They were free men who came here as indentured servants,and the idea was they worked and paid off the expense of getting them here and feeding and housing them while they worked off their debt. This later changed after Johnson went to court to keep from having to release his indentured servant.
I used to know,but forgot the time frames when slavery was banned in England,and in the English colonies. Which is kind of ironic because the English working class were little more than slaves right up to the early 1920's. The key word here being "virtual",of course.
That's no surprise. Records weren't all that well kept back then,and most people couldn't read or write.
I do,too. There were also gypsies in the mix. Being a seafaring nation,I'm guessing you could run across pretty much anything along the waterfront,including Indians from India,and Chinese.
Quite a lot of white colonial era people, were "indentured." Town records, would record when an individual became a freed man. Like recording a contract, as being completely fulfilled and filing it with a civic recording officer.
I think I have colonial ancestors of that status.
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Jeff Flake voted for this:
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She traded in her pantsuits for a Mumu!
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Jeff Flake voted for this:
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She traded in her pantsuits for a Mumu!
What an adorable ensemble. You can't tell, but she's wearing white pants underneath, along with those slip-on tennies. Style BAM!
She's probably also hiding a refugee family in that tent, because she has a heart of gold, dontcha know.
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What an adorable ensemble. You can't tell, but she's wearing white pants underneath, along with those slip-on tennies. Style BAM!
She's probably also hiding a refugee family in that tent, because she has a heart of gold, dontcha know.
I was wondering what that protrusion was on her thigh. It it is either a small child or a fatfold. During sex Bubba could just slap that thing, jump on and ride the wave in to the promised land!
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Quite a lot of white colonial era people, were "indentured." Town records, would record when an individual became a freed man. Like recording a contract, as being completely fulfilled and filing it with a civic recording officer.
I think I have colonial ancestors of that status.
@truth_seeker
Yup! A really good deal for them because they got to leave the grinding poverty and hopelessness of England and it's rigid caste system,and come to a new country where they could hope to own land,be able to feed themselves,and even make money and a future for their children.
For the most part,if you were born into poverty in Europe in the 1700's or 1800's,you spent your entire short life living in poverty. The class system was pretty rigid and education and training in skilled trades were saved for the children of those who already Guild members.
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I was wondering what that protrusion was on her thigh. It it is either a small child or a fatfold. During sex Bubba could just slap that thing, jump on and ride the wave in to the promised land!
It's her Colostomy bag. Haven't you heard? It's high fashion now...(This is a warning, fetch your eye bleach):
(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7354066.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Ilieostomy-Bags.jpg)
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@truth_seeker
Yup! A really good deal for them because they got to leave the grinding poverty and hopelessness of England and it's rigid caste system,and come to a new country where they could hope to own land,be able to feed themselves,and even make money and a future for their children.
For the most part,if you were born into poverty in Europe in the 1700's or 1800's,you spent your entire short life living in poverty. The class system was pretty rigid and education and training in skilled trades were saved for the children of those who already Guild members.
I heard or read recently that black slaves were often treated better than indentured servants, since the owner had the slave forever(had greater stake in slave's wellbeing), but only had the servant for a period of time.
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@truth_seeker
In FACT,the first slaveholder in the English-Speaking New World was a black man that came here as an indentured servant from one of the English islands in the Caribbean. He came to Jamestown,worked off his debt,and then got his own indentured free black servant,and refused to free him when his time was up. He,or his parents,were originally from Africa,not England.
That's a misconception.
Actually, the John Punch case predates the John Casor suit. But Anthony Johnson was one of the first.
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That's a misconception.
Actually, the John Punch case predates the John Casor suit. But Anthony Johnson was one of the first.
@Suppressed
I don't think it is splitting hairs to say the Punch case was different because it amounted to life imprisonment for committing a crime. In this case,theft.
The Johnson case provided the basis for establishing outright slavery as a legal right for citizens.
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@Chosen Daughter
When I was growing up,the one that pissed me off the most were the Sunday Blue Laws.
Later,as an adult,I was threatened with arrest in Virginia when I moved in with a woman I wasn't married to . One of the Moral Moron neighbors reported us to the police,and the cops came by to give me a warning. I either had to get out,get married,or be arrested.
I don't know which,if any I would be violating today,and at my age I don't really give a damn. I'm going to continue breaking them.
Oh, I was going to get back to this. Almost forgot. I lived with my husband before we married too. I did a lot of things that I wasn't supposed to do. Most of us have, I am sure. I had never heard of Sunday Blue Laws. I heard of the Bible Belt. I doubt laws like that are effective. Probably makes everyone do the opposite.
I only wish that people who don't know God could really experience true life in Christ. There was a time when I went to a church that preached hellfire. They were so missing life. I didn't have much of a father growing up. He was gone most of the time. It was hard for me to understand Father figure. Once I really delved into who Jesus Christ is and how he cares for me I found love. My idea's of having to go to church just because I didn't want to go to hell were over.
God is really a loving Father. Anyone that had a loving Father should be easily able to see those same qualities in God. Shelter, love, caring, and guidance. The rules are not to make us miserable, but to keep us from trouble. I think that most people can admit that sin, or wrong doing leads to trouble.
If you ever want to talk we can do that.
Chosen
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If you ever want to talk we can do that.
Chosen
@Chosen Daughter
Thank you,but no. You have no hope of converting me,and I have no desire to convert you.
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I don't claim to know what makes Flake tick, but I wouldn't be surprised if we don't eventually learn that Jeff Flake has really horrible criminal skeletons in his closet--and is thus desperate to get Trump removed ASAP for the same reasons that so many Dems and RINOs are so desperate. (Remember: Flake is tied to McCain, and McCain is amazingly dirty.)
Flake's self-righteous rhetoric reminds me of Comey and Strzok and Brennan. (Only a complete fool can believe any of these guys are Heroes of the Constitutional Republic.)
Yes to DOC! Flake is leaving congress. Will not run again. I love informed people posting. :patriot: :0001: I hope the last Icon, is giving kisses. It is about a third size of a pencil eraser. I can hardly see any font on here.
Flake is the traitor. He is part of the four RINOS, in gang of eight, supporting ILLEGALS over us, citizens! That is providing, "aid & comfort" to the enemy. Yes invasions on our country, illegally is the enemy. We the people pay for all their comforts. This gang of eight bill, would allow illegals to also vote, receive money from 1040 tax return, while never paying any 1040 taxes. Sales tax is not paying your taxes.
McCain, Flake, Rubio, Graham, all RINOS.
Jeff Flake of Arizona accused the president of providing 'aid and comfort' to the enemy.
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Yes to DOC! Flake is leaving congress. Will not run again. I love informed people posting. :patriot: :0001: I hope the last Icon, is giving kisses. It is about a third size of a pencil eraser. I can hardly see any font on here.
Flake is the traitor. He is part of the four RINOS, in gang of eight, supporting ILLEGALS over us, citizens! That is providing, "aid & comfort" to the enemy. Yes invasions on our country, illegally is the enemy. We the people pay for all their comforts. This gang of eight bill, would allow illegals to also vote, receive money from 1040 tax return, while never paying any 1040 taxes. Sales tax is not paying your taxes.
McCain, Flake, Rubio, Graham, all RINOS.
Jeff Flake of Arizona accused the president of providing 'aid and comfort' to the enemy.
I don't there's anybody here who loves Jeff Flake. The Doc is certainly not alone with his observations on the Jr. Senator from AZ (or the Sr, for that matter!).
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When I lived in TX in 1980, I lived in a dry county. It never occurred to me to blame a church for it, I blamed the owners of the liquor stores in Coffee City. They lived in the same city I did and were buddies with the County Supervisors. Stupid me, huh?
The Church ... well, there is no 'the Church' but in Texas Baptists were predominant and even Methodists thought it was sinful to consume alcohol, conveniently forgetting about Jesus changing the water into wine.
Anyway, the Church is not to blame for antiquated and stupid laws.
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(https://i.redd.it/yw9bshi1obb11.jpg)
Excellent! Picture is worth a thousand words. good one. :patriot: :seeya:
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The Doc is certainly not alone with his observations on the Jr. Senator from AZ (or the Sr, for that matter!).
Thanks for pointing this out to our relatively new TBR friend, @LegalAmerican, on this thread. Practical unity in these matters of black-hats-versus-white-hats is a good thing, and we sometimes achieve it.
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Excellent! Picture is worth a thousand words. good one. :patriot: :seeya:
Wow, you're right about that.