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'The View' host Whoopi Goldberg claims Holocaust wasn’t about race: ‘These are two White groups’
Goldberg criticized as historically illiterate
By Brian Flood | Fox News
ABC’s "The View" co-host Whoopi Goldberg declared the Holocaust was "not about race" despite the systematic killing of an estimated six million Jews, leading to sharp criticism of the outspoken liberal.
The daytime gabfest was in the midst of a conversation about a Tennessee school district voting to remove a Pulitzer Prize winning graphic novel about the Holocaust from its curriculum due to "inappropriate language" and an illustration of a nude woman. "Maus" by Art Spiegelman tells the story of his Jewish parents living in 1940s Poland and depicts him interviewing his father about his experiences as a Holocaust survivor.
Ana Navarro mentioned a Florida bill that could prevent any conversation in schools that makes students feel uncomfortable race or gender, prompting Sunny Hostin to ponder if teaching students about topics like the Holocaust could eventually be prohibited.
"The Holocaust isn’t about race," Goldberg said as her co-hosts appeared stunned.
"No, it’s not about race," Goldberg continued.
Joy Behar said, "Well, they considered Jews a different race."
"It’s not about race," Goldberg reiterated.
"What is it about?" Behar asked.
"It’s about man’s inhumanity to man, that’s what it’s about," Goldberg said.
"But it’s about a White supremacist going after Jews and Gypsies," Navarro said as Goldberg attempted to speak over her.
"But these are two White groups of people," Goldberg said as her colleagues disagreed.
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/the-view-whoopi-goldberg-holocaust
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Sounds like Whoopi may be a bit racist herself.
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How Fat is she?
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Sounds like Whoopi may be a bit racist herself.
She is expressing the intellectual fruits of CRT, which is essential Black Supremacy.
She really could care less about the Holocaust, because nobody involved is black.
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She's lying because she's an anti-semite who wants to deny equal rights to Jews.
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She is expressing the intellectual fruits of CRT, which is essential Black Supremacy.
She really could care less about the Holocaust, because nobody involved is black.
A Jew is a Caucasian. A German is a Caucasian.
The Holocaust was a genocide where skin color had nothing to do with it.
What should be discussed is just how your typical German took part in it.
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A Jew is a Caucasian. A German is a Caucasian.
The National Socialists sure didn't see it that way. But that's what happens when you put your nation's genetics policies in the hands of someone with a technical school diploma in agronomy.
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It really astonishes me that "The View" hasn't been cancelled. What's even more amazing is that there are people who believe their b.s.
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Oh...we misunderstood her... *****rollingeyes*****
Whoopi Goldberg on Holocaust Remarks: ‘I Am Very Upset that People Misunderstood What I Was Saying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdkhVQZGSSU&ab_channel=TheLateShowwithStephenColbert
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All white people look alike.
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All white people look alike.
Genocide in Rwanda gets a free pass, too.
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Oh...we misunderstood her... *****rollingeyes*****
Whoopi Goldberg on Holocaust Remarks: ‘I Am Very Upset that People Misunderstood What I Was Saying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdkhVQZGSSU&ab_channel=TheLateShowwithStephenColbert
There was no misunderstanding what you were saying, Ms. Goldberg.
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The Japanese rape of Nanking, China, in 1937 was also not racial.
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The Japanese rape of Nanking, China, in 1937 was also not racial.
Not by Ms. Goldberg's principles, it wasn't.
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The Japanese rape of Nanking, China, in 1937 was also not racial.
Great point.
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There was no misunderstanding what you were saying, Ms. Goldberg.
Especially after she repeated it on Colbert's show.
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:silly:
'The View' invites ADL chief on after Whoopi Goldberg's Holocaust comments
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/592276-the-view-invites-adl-chief-on-after-whoopi-goldbergs-holocaust-comments
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Hopefully, the ADL chief has read this book:
Edith Stein and Companions: On the Way to Auschwitz (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8543407-edith-stein-and-companions)
by Paul Hamans
On the same summer day in 1942, Saint Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein) and hundreds of other Catholic Jews were arrested in Holland by the occupying Nazis. One hundred thirteen of those taken into custody, several of them priests and nuns, perished at Auschwitz and other concentration camps. They were murdered in retaliation for the anti-Nazi pastoral letter written by the Dutch Catholic bishops.
While Saint Teresa Benedicta is the most famous member of this group, having been canonized by Pope John Paul II in 1998, all of them deserve the title of martyr, for they were killed not only because they were Jews but also because of the faith of the Church, which had compelled the Dutch bishops to protest the Nazi regime.
That's 113 Catholics murdered at Auschwitz, not based on their religion, but based on their ethnicity (i.e. race).
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Whoopi Tries to Explain Her Holocaust Comments but Digs Herself a Bigger Hole
https://twitter.com/NickFondacaro/status/1488191258598199301
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https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/02/01/whoopi-tries-to-explain-her-holocaust-comments-but-digs-herself-a-bigger-hole-n515603
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This is a kind of ignorant religious racism I have seen before. Many Blacks, including Whoopi, assume all Jews are White. In the same way they assume that all Mormons are White and all Catholics are White, etc. with other branches of Christianity as well, Lutheran, Episcopalian, et. al. This belief is based on pure ignorance.
Jews are considered a race because being Jewish is based mostly on genetics (born of a Jewish mother) except for converts. Judaism is a religion and a genetic race. For example, Cohenim (Jewish Priests) are expected to be able to cite an unbroken Jewish lineage. Judaism is a religion and a race. However like most religions, there are Jews of every race on Earth.
You can be sure the KKK and Nazis did not consider Jews or Gypsies to be White People. They considered Jewishness to be a genetic characteristic. And that attitude still exists even today.
To say that all Jews/Catholics/Mormons are all White, is a striking case of blind ignorance. But the bigger question is Why? Why would she even bring this up, and jump into that topic? What is Whoopi's interest in this?
I don't understand. There is no benefit for her. All Whoopi has done is to label herself ignorant at best, and an antisemite at worst.
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This is a kind of ignorant religious racism I have seen before. Many Blacks, including Whoopi, assume all Jews are White. In the same way they assume that all Mormons are White and all Catholics are White, etc. with other branches of Christianity as well, Lutheran, Episcopalian, et. al. This belief is based on pure ignorance.
Jews are considered a race because being Jewish is based mostly on genetics (born of a Jewish mother) except for converts. Judaism is a religion and a genetic race. For example, Cohenim (Jewish Priests) are expected to be able to cite an unbroken Jewish lineage. Judaism is a religion and a race. However like most religions, there are Jews of every race on Earth.
You can be sure the KKK and Nazis did not consider Jews or Gypsies to be White People. They considered Jewishness to be a genetic characteristic. And that attitude still exists even today.
To say that all Jews/Catholics/Mormons are all White, is a striking case of blind ignorance. But the bigger question is Why? Why would she even bring this up, and jump into that topic? What is Whoopi's interest in this?
I don't understand. There is no benefit for her. All Whoopi has done is to label herself ignorant at best, and an antisemite at worst.
Exactly.
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This is a kind of ignorant religious racism I have seen before. Many Blacks, including Whoopi, assume all Jews are White. In the same way they assume that all Mormons are White and all Catholics are White, etc. with other branches of Christianity as well, Lutheran, Episcopalian, et. al. This belief is based on pure ignorance.
Jews are considered a race because being Jewish is based mostly on genetics (born of a Jewish mother) except for converts. Judaism is a religion and a genetic race. For example, Cohenim (Jewish Priests) are expected to be able to cite an unbroken Jewish lineage. Judaism is a religion and a race. However like most religions, there are Jews of every race on Earth.
You can be sure the KKK and Nazis did not consider Jews or Gypsies to be White People. They considered Jewishness to be a genetic characteristic. And that attitude still exists even today.
To say that all Jews/Catholics/Mormons are all White, is a striking case of blind ignorance. But the bigger question is Why? Why would she even bring this up, and jump into that topic? What is Whoopi's interest in this?
I don't understand. There is no benefit for her. All Whoopi has done is to label herself ignorant at best, and an antisemite at worst.
Excellent post...
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Whoopi Goldberg ‘is in deep s–t’ and should be fired, ABC insiders claim[/size
By Emily Smith
February 1, 2022
There is growing fury inside ABC over Whoopi Goldberg’s controversial Holocaust claims, with insiders insisting that her apology isn’t enough and demanding that she be fired.
On Monday’s edition of “The View,” Goldberg, 66, alleged that the Holocaust was “not about race,” claiming Nazis and Jews were both white.
She doubled down on the claim on “The Late Show With Stephen Colbert” on Monday after stating via Twitter, “I stand corrected.”
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https://pagesix.com/2022/02/01/whoopi-goldberg-should-be-fired-say-abc-insiders/
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To say that all Jews/Catholics/Mormons are all White, is a striking case of blind ignorance. But the bigger question is Why? Why would she even bring this up, and jump into that topic? What is Whoopi's interest in this?
I don't understand. There is no benefit for her. All Whoopi has done is to label herself ignorant at best, and an antisemite at worst.
This is what happens when one makes stereotypical assumptions based on the color of another person's skin. It is one of the biggest shortcomings that racists exhibit.
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A Jew is a Caucasian. A German is a Caucasian.
The Holocaust was a genocide where skin color had nothing to do with it.
What should be discussed is just how your typical German took part in it.
It was an atrocity, but it is inaccurate to say that 'TYPICAL' Germans took part in it, the Germans/Austrians that took part were atypical. It is like saying Antifa or BLM are typical Americans.
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This is what happens when one makes stereotypical assumptions based on the color of another person's skin. It is one of the biggest shortcomings that racists exhibit.
Luv ya, buddy, but...what a load of crapola! Not going to chase your squirrel @Hoodat
We're not speaking about anybody else here except EUROPEAN continent Jews. Jews that were their own damned neighbors. Jews that were required to sew big yellow stars on their coats so they couldn't be mistaken for ... ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BLOCK!
Whoopi was right. It was more of a genocide against another tribe/group/religion.
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It was an atrocity, but it is inaccurate to say that 'TYPICAL' Germans took part in it, the Germans/Austrians that took part were atypical. It is like saying Antifa or BLM are typical Americans.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3451%2F3747192412_58df6f7607_o.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Female German Auxiliaries Don't look like any 'Antifa' types are there...maybe I'm wrong. :shrug:
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This is what happens when one makes stereotypical assumptions based on the color of another person's skin. It is one of the biggest shortcomings that racists exhibit.
:thumbsup:
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Luv ya, buddy, but...what a load of crapola! Not going to chase your squirrel @Hoodat
We're not speaking about anybody else here except EUROPEAN continent Jews. Jews that were their own damned neighbors. Jews that were required to sew big yellow stars on their coats so they couldn't be mistaken for ... ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BLOCK!
Whoopi was right. It was more of a genocide against another tribe/group/religion.
I could not disagree more.
See: NUREMBERG RACE LAWS (https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nuremberg-laws)
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Breaking News...
Whoopi Goldberg suspended from ‘The View’ following Holocaust comments (https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/whoopi-goldberg-suspended-from-the-view-following-holocaust-comments/)
Whoopi Goldberg was suspended from ABC’s “The View” Tuesday evening after she claimed the Holocaust was “not about race.”
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Excerpted, more at the link: https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/whoopi-goldberg-suspended-from-the-view-following-holocaust-comments/ (https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/whoopi-goldberg-suspended-from-the-view-following-holocaust-comments/)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKjx4DSXsAMHEXu?format=jpg&name=small)
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I guess the whole Tutsi vs Hutu wasn't about race either.... according to Whoopi. Since they were both black tribes that couldn't be distinguished otherwise.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKjx4DSXsAMHEXu?format=jpg&name=small)
Two weeks, guess Whoopi will take a vacation in some non-restrictive state.
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I guess she never heard of Sammy Davis Jr... :shrug:
(Or Ethiopian Jews).
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I guess she never heard of Sammy Davis Jr... :shrug:
(Or Ethiopian Jews).
Yeah, but Sammy converted.
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Yeah, but Sammy converted.
Well, he had to start somewhere... :shrug:
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I guess the whole Tutsi vs Hutu wasn't about race either.... according to Whoopi. Since they were both black tribes that couldn't be distinguished otherwise.
:thumbsup:
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Noam Blum
@neontaster
Whoopi definitely wasn't "suspended." She sat down with producers and they agreed that Rubber Rooming her for a couple of weeks will take the heat off and also give the impression that they took it seriously and "did something." This isn't cancel culture. You're being played.
8:35 AM · Feb 2, 2022·
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Noam Blum
@neontaster
Whoopi definitely wasn't "suspended." She sat down with producers and they agreed that Rubber Rooming her for a couple of weeks will take the heat off and also give the impression that they took it seriously and "did something." This isn't cancel culture. You're being played.
8:35 AM · Feb 2, 2022·
Exactly. She'll be back on the air before the month is out overflowing with righteous indignation.
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Noam Blum
@neontaster
Whoopi definitely wasn't "suspended." She sat down with producers and they agreed that Rubber Rooming her for a couple of weeks will take the heat off and also give the impression that they took it seriously and "did something." This isn't cancel culture. You're being played.
8:35 AM · Feb 2, 2022·
Bingo!
She got a nice all-expenses-paid two-week vacation, nothing more.
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Whoopi Goldberg Suspended by ABC After Doubling Down on Antisemitic Comments
By Bonchie | Feb 01, 2022 10:15 PM ET
Per RedState’s original report on the matter, Whoopi Goldberg found herself in hot water the last couple of days for an antisemitic rant she gave on The View. The longtime co-host of the ABC daytime show asserted that the Holocaust was not “about race” and that it was “white people doing it to white people.”
But it was the context of her comments that made things especially egregious. Goldberg was expressing a common antisemitic trope, which is that the systematic extermination of the Jewish people during the Holocaust was not equivalent to the racial discrimination suffered by other groups. That is, of course, ludicrous and completely ahistorical.
After putting out an apology, Goldberg then went on Stephen Colbert’s show that evening and essentially doubled down.
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https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/02/01/whoopi-goldberg-has-been-suspended-after-doubling-down-on-anti-semitic-comments-n515918
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‘The View’ co-hosts react to Whoopi Goldberg’s suspension: ‘This isn’t going to just blow over’
https://twitter.com/ABCNewsPR/status/1488701213256396802
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Jeff @letsgomrbrandon
Replying to @ABCNewsPR
Two weeks to flatten the curve of Anti-Semitism.
9:53 PM · Feb 1, 2022
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The best take I've seen on this is the suggestion by a New York Post columnist that if Caryn Johnson feels that way she should drop the name "Goldberg" she appropriated from another cultural and racial group. (Whoopi she can keep.)
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The best take I've seen on this is the suggestion by a New York Post columnist that if Caryn Johnson feels that way she should drop the name "Goldberg" she appropriated from another cultural and racial group. (Whoopi she can keep.)
:thumbsup:
The author is John Podhoretz
NY Post article: https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/drop-the-goldberg-name-you-co-opted-whoopi-you-dont-deserve-it/
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Noam Blum
@neontaster
Whoopi definitely wasn't "suspended." She sat down with producers and they agreed that Rubber Rooming her for a couple of weeks will take the heat off and also give the impression that they took it seriously and "did something." This isn't cancel culture. You're being played.
8:35 AM · Feb 2, 2022·
Thinking the same thing, here.
This was a 'Gulf of Tonkin' moment for them...making it much easier to go after their opposition.
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February 2, 2022
Whoopi Goldberg gets a slap on the wrist with a limp noodle
By Andrea Widburg
The headlines in the media all claim some variation of "Whoopi Goldberg suspended." Dig down, though, and it turns out that Goldberg received only a two-week suspension for parroting standard leftist claptrap that manages to reduce the Holocaust to nothing more than a catfight among White people. Whoopi's always been a moronic, uninformed bigmouth, so I can't say I'm surprised by what she said. Currently, the most infuriating thing about her "punishment" is the knowledge that, if she had been White or conservative, she would have been fired.
This whole thing is unbelievably tedious, and it's just too painful to repeat it all. You can go here to see why Jews (and righteous non-Jews) were offended by what she said.
Here's what happened after Whoopi said her stupid stuff and gave a mealy-mouthed, barely-there, rote apology:
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https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/02/whoopi_goldberg_gets_a_slap_on_the_wrist_with_a_limp_noodle.html
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This gives me an idea for a Broadway remake of a classic musical play ...
Instead of "Westside Story", it's called "Whiteside Story" ...
Instead of the gang names being "Jets" and "Sharks", theu would be named "Honkies" and "Crackers" ...
The marquee would read "Whoopie Goldberg proudly presents a Whoopie Goldberg Production of 'Whiteside Story'".
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MEGHAN MCCAIN: There's no point calling for Whoopi to be fired - her half-assed apology for antisemitism only shows again the double standards television holds for liberals and conservatives
By Meghan Mccain For Dailymail.Com
Published: 17:19 EST, 1 February 2022 | Updated: 17:44 EST, 1 February 2022
In the six months since I left The View, I haven't watched a single episode of the show.
My life has moved on.
Between this column and other projects and above all a toddler, who is the most demanding and adorable diva in my life.
The other day she insisted on having her bunny rabbit shoes and wouldn't take no for an answer; see I just don't have the time for my old friends on the show.
Nonetheless, when something goes viral from the show or ends up in the publications that I read I can't help but feel a twinge of disappointment.
It's not that I expect compelling or nuanced political discussions from daytime television, but it's sad to see the recent litany of embarrassing moments from a show I invested so much time and effort in trying to elevate to a more serious level.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10465411/MEGHAN-MCCAIN-Whoopis-half-assed-apology-antisemitism-shows-double-standards-liberals.html
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This gives me an idea for a Broadway remake of a classic musical play ...
Instead of "Westside Story", it's called "Whiteside Story" ...
Instead of the gang names being "Jets" and "Sharks", theu would be named "Honkies" and "Crackers" ...
The marquee would read "Whoopie Goldberg proudly presents a Whoopie Goldberg Production of 'Whiteside Story'".
:thumbsup:
Maybe we can follow up with a presentation of "Springtime for Whoopi"?
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Whoopi Goldberg Suspended from ABC’s ‘The View’ over Holocaust Comments
Paul Bois1 Feb 202233,558
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Whoopi Goldberg has been suspended from ABC following her controversial comments about the Holocaust in which she said the extermination of six million Jews was not about race.
“Effective immediately, I am suspending Whoopi Goldberg for two weeks for her wrong and hurtful comments,” ABC News president Kim Godwin said in a statement.
“While Whoopi has apologized, I’ve asked her to take time to reflect and learn about the impact of her comments,” Godwin added. “The entire ABC News organization stands in solidarity with our Jewish colleagues, friends, family and communities.”
Several sources told Page Six that ABC insiders are neither pleased with Whoopi Goldberg’s Holocaust comments nor her apology after the initial backlash and believe she should be disciplined.
“ABC staffers and Disney Network execs are saying Whoopi went way too far. And board members are not happy with her apology and want a fuller retraction. The word is that Whoopi is in ‘deep shit,’” one ABC source told the outlet.
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2022/02/01/whoopi-goldberg-suspended-from-abcs-the-view-over-holocaust-comments/
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The best take I've seen on this is the suggestion by a New York Post columnist that if Caryn Johnson feels that way she should drop the name "Goldberg" she appropriated from another cultural and racial group. (Whoopi she can keep.)
Joy Behar is also a very Jewish name. In fact, Behar is explicitly spoken Hebrew. It literally means 'on/of the mountain'.
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Noam Blum
@neontaster
Whoopi definitely wasn't "suspended." She sat down with producers and they agreed that Rubber Rooming her for a couple of weeks will take the heat off and also give the impression that they took it seriously and "did something." This isn't cancel culture. You're being played.
8:35 AM · Feb 2, 2022·
:yowsa: pointing-up
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Whoopi was weighed down with the gravity of this heavy subject. The girth of these rotund statements are hard to carry.
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Whoopi was weighed down with the gravity of this heavy subject. The girth of these rotund statements are hard to carry.
:silly:
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Whoopi Goldberg ‘livid,’ threatening to quit ‘The View’ over her suspension: source
NY Post, Feb 2, 2022
Whoopi Goldberg is "livid" after she was suspended from "The View" over her claim that the Holocaust was "not about race" -- and is telling co-workers she is going to quit the show, according to a source.
Goldberg, 66, feels "humiliated" at being disciplined by ABC execs after she followed their advice to apologize for the ill-conceived comments, a well-placed insider told The Post.
"She feels ABC executives mishandled this. She followed their playbook. She went on 'The Late Show With Steven Colbert' and then apologized again on 'The View' the next day," a source said.
The source added that while Goldberg is taking the suspension hard and says she wants to leave the show, insiders believe she's likely just sounding off.
"Her ego has been hurt and she's telling people she's going to quit," the source said. "Suspension from 'The View' is like getting suspended from Bravo. The bar is very low."
Reps for Goldberg and ABC did not return requests for comment.
https://nypost.com/2022/02/02/whoopi-goldberg-threatening-to-quit-the-view-source/
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Whoopi Goldberg ‘livid,’ threatening to quit ‘The View’ over her suspension: source
NY Post, Feb 2, 2022
Whoopi Goldberg is "livid" after she was suspended from "The View" over her claim that the Holocaust was "not about race" -- and is telling co-workers she is going to quit the show, according to a source.
Goldberg, 66, feels "humiliated" at being disciplined by ABC execs after she followed their advice to apologize for the ill-conceived comments, a well-placed insider told The Post.
"She feels ABC executives mishandled this. She followed their playbook. She went on 'The Late Show With Steven Colbert' and then apologized again on 'The View' the next day," a source said.
The source added that while Goldberg is taking the suspension hard and says she wants to leave the show, insiders believe she's likely just sounding off.
"Her ego has been hurt and she's telling people she's going to quit," the source said. "Suspension from 'The View' is like getting suspended from Bravo. The bar is very low."
Reps for Goldberg and ABC did not return requests for comment.
https://nypost.com/2022/02/02/whoopi-goldberg-threatening-to-quit-the-view-source/
In other words: Caryn Johnson throws a hissy fit. I wonder if she jumped up and down and stomped her (not so) little feet as well.
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Whoopi Goldberg Reportedly 'Livid' Over Suspension, Has Begun Levying Threats
By Bonchie | Feb 02, 2022 3:30 PM ET
The saga of Whoopi Golberg’s anti-Semitic commentary continues apace. If you aren’t familiar with the original story, click here for the full details. In short, Goldberg tried to argue on “The View” that the Holocaust was “not about race” and that it was just “white people fighting white people.” That’s a common trope meant to minimize the Holocaust as some kind of lesser form of discrimination.
Goldberg, never being the sharpest tool in the shed, then went on with Stephen Colbert to explain herself. That didn’t go well, and she essentially doubled down. That likely represented the breaking point for ABC’s management because the next day, they suspended her for two weeks.
Initially, some speculated that Goldberg was happy with the suspension because it offered her protection while things blew over. That doesn’t appear to be the case, though. New reports are emerging that Goldberg is “livid” and is now threatening to quit “The View.”
https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1488946208441712642
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https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/02/02/whoopi-goldberg-reportedly-livid-over-suspension-has-begun-levying-threats-n516201
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She is hearing rumors about getting terminated from The View.
So she is coming out strong with, "I didn't get fired ... I quit!"
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She is hearing rumors about getting terminated from The View.
So she is coming out strong with, "I didn't get fired ... I quit!"
That's possible. If it happens, she'll claim she is a poor oppressed black who was forced out by systemic racism/white supremacy.
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Is there a gofundme to fill her larder?
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That's possible. If it happens, she'll claim she is a poor oppressed black who was forced out by systemic racism/white supremacy.
She will blame it on the Jooooos. Those Jewish bastards got me!
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She will blame it on the Jooooos. Those Jewish bastards got me!
Yup. Most likely.
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I don't get the problem here what she said was the truth, just because Hitler called the Jews a Race, doesn't mean the The Jews are a race of people like blacks. We have the left now harassing Whoopi for telling the truth.
What am I missing here?
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I don't get the problem here what she said was the truth, just because Hitler called the Jews a Race, doesn't mean the The Jews are a race of people like blacks. We have the left now harassing Whoopi for telling the truth.
What am I missing here?
:facepalm2:
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I don't get the problem here what she said was the truth, just because Hitler called the Jews a Race, doesn't mean the The Jews are a race of people like blacks. We have the left now harassing Whoopi for telling the truth.
What am I missing here?
Technically and definitionally yes I suppose, but the semantics of what she said and how she said is seriously wrong on many levels.
It may have not be racial genocide, but it was ethnic genocide. Basically distinctions without a difference IMO.
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Technically and definitionally yes I suppose, but the semantics of what she said and how she said is seriously wrong on many levels.
It may have not be racial genocide, but it was ethnic genocide. Basically distinctions without a difference IMO.
:yowsa: pointing-up
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I don't get the problem here what she said was the truth, just because Hitler called the Jews a Race, doesn't mean the The Jews are a race of people like blacks. We have the left now harassing Whoopi for telling the truth.
What am I missing here?
@yodaspock
LOL! I feel ya, brother/sister!
Judism is NOT a race. At best they are a tight-group nationality that goes back thousands of years.
The Holocaust was exactly what Goldberg said it was...a ethnic genocide proving man's inhumanity to man.
And with that... I'm outta here! :bolt:
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I don't get the problem here what she said was the truth, just because Hitler called the Jews a Race, doesn't mean the The Jews are a race of people like blacks. We have the left now harassing Whoopi for telling the truth.
What am I missing here?
What you are missing is that the whole notion of race is socially constructed. (Yes, that notion is misused by the left, in claiming that all manner of objective realities are socially constructed, but there are, in fact, things which are not objective realities, and are, in fact, socially constructed).
In America, the social construction of race has been formulated on the 'one drop rule': if one has any ancestor from Sub-Saharan Africa, one is "Black". In Brazil, the notion of "Black" is determined entirely by skin color and says nothing about ancestry -- so a Dravidian who moved from India to Brazil would be Black, while an albino descendant of slaves imported from Sub-Saharan Africa would not. In Africa there are racial distinctions among different peoples all with very dark skin, and not always based on skin color (cf. the notorious attempted genocide of dark-skinned ectomorphs -- Tutsis -- by dark-skinned endomorphs -- Hutus -- in Rawanda). The Nazi claim that Jews are a "race" has as sound of scientific underpinnings as the "one drop rule", the Brazilian notion of Blackness, or the body-type distinction that sparked the Rawandan genocide. (Just as there are genetic markers of Sub-Saharan ancestry, of high melanin content in the skin, and of body-type, there are genetic markers of Jewish ancestry shared by Ashkenazim and Sephardim alike.) Which genetic distinctions between populations constitute difference of "race" is not a matter of objective fact, but of social convention only.
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'Race' is much more than just skin color. There are national aspects as well.
But more than that, it is an abomination to say this was two White groups fighting each other. The Jews only fought to defend themselves from the self-described Aryans.
It was far from two groups of Whites warring. This was a case of ultimate government power out of control and being used to exterminate minor ethnic groups within the same society.
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I don't get the problem here what she said was the truth, just because Hitler called the Jews a Race, doesn't mean the The Jews are a race of people like blacks. We have the left now harassing Whoopi for telling the truth.
What am I missing here?
The Nazis exterminate 6 million Jews and 5 million Slavs and Ukrainians because they were Jews, Slavs, and Ukrainians, regardless of your own personal opinion of whether Jews, Slavs, and Ukrainians are races of people. There is no guesswork needed here. The National Socialists were quite open in regard to their racial beliefs. The Nuremberg Race Laws were called Race Laws for a reason.
The only "truth" that Whoopi told was the truth of her own bigoted beliefs. She is no different than a Holocaust denier because she is denying the very foundation of Eichmann's "Final Solution". So in answer to your question, there is a hell of a lot you are missing here. A hell of a lot.
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@yodaspock
Judism is NOT a race. At best they are a tight-group nationality that goes back thousands of years.
The Holocaust was exactly what Goldberg said it was...a ethnic genocide proving man's inhumanity to man.
Again, 113 Catholic priests and nuns from the Netherlands, all sent to their deaths at Auschwitz. Why? Because they had a parent that was Jewish. You can deny it all you want. But the Nazis were bent on exterminating the Jews based solely upon their race. They didn't care about their religion. They didn't care about their nationality. They cared only about their genetic makeup. German and Jew? Then you were a Jew to be sent to Poland. Catholic and Jew? Off to Poland. Prussian and Jew? To the death camps for you. With the extensive documentation of Nazi atrocities and the underlying philosophy behind them, it is mind blowing to hear someone especially in here actually say that race had nothing to do with Nazi tenet of creating a pure Aryan society devoid of any substandard races.
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Jews are not a Race they are more like a tribe or a religion.
My point is Still Valid Just because "NAZI Propaganda Called Jews a Race so they could lump Jews together and add a Racist name tag to them, then use the Race/Tag as a scapegoat". Doesn't mean it had anything to do with Race.
It was NAZI Propaganda that invoked/created this Racism scenario. If you say that Whoopie lied and it was just racism that motivated the NAZI's, that must mean you believe the NAZI Propaganda, and agree with the NAZI propaganda, and are therefore A NAZI yourself.
But if you believe that Whoopie is correct, then NAZI Propaganda is just junk, all you are left with truth that it was White on White ( "what ever she said" ) is correct and truthful.
"sometimes the truth hurts"
No this is not correct:
'Race' is much more than just skin color. There are national aspects as well.
They cared only about their genetic makeup
Race all about skin color, not genetic makeup, national origin, location of birth or bowl movements.
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My point is Still Valid Just because "NAZI Propaganda Called Jews a Race so they could lump Jews together and add a Racist name tag to them, then use the Race/Tag as a scapegoat". Doesn't mean it had anything to do with Race.
So Nazis killing Jews because of their race didn't have anything to do with Race? Seriously?
If you say that Whoopie lied and it was just racism that motivated the NAZI's, that must mean you believe the NAZI Propaganda, and agree with the NAZI propaganda, and are therefore A NAZI yourself.
I see that logic is not your strong suit.
Race all about skin color, not genetic makeup, national origin, location of birth or bowl movements.
There are other traits besides skin color. The Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, and Mongolians all have the same skin color. But the Japanese considered the other three inferior and worthy of slave labor due to their ethnicity.
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Race all about skin color, not genetic makeup, national origin, location of birth or bowl movements.
Where did you dig that bullsh*t up from?
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Pollak: Whoopi Goldberg, Cancel Culture, and the Holocaust
Joel B. Pollak
4 Feb 20220
Comedian Whoopi Goldberg has been suspended from ABC’s The View for her comments about the Holocaust, for which she apologized, though few people could describe in plain English what, exactly, she said that was antisemitic, or offensive.
The most widely-reported remark was that the Holocaust was not about “race,” and she was corrected on-air by co-host Joy Behar.
The Holocaust was indeed about “race,” the way that the Nazis understood it. Germans were thought to be members of a superior, Aryan race, and Jews were said to be an inferior race that compensated for its weakness by inventing ideas and systems that prevented the Aryans and others from achieving their evolutionary potential. This was said to be “science.”
But in context, what Goldberg meant was that Jews did not suffer because of their skin color, which is what “race” means in an American context. She also said that the Holocaust was “white people doing it to white people.”
That obscured the fact that Nazi ideology also claimed black people were inferior, and minimized the universal moral implications of the Holocaust — which Goldberg herself affirmed, moments later, by describing the Holocaust as being about “man’s inhumanity to man.”
What we are left with is a hodgepodge of comments, made in the final moments before a commercial break. It is not clear what Goldberg was thinking. But elements of what she said are common in popular misconceptions about the Holocaust. ...
Read entire article at Breitbart (https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2022/02/04/pollak-whoopi-goldberg-cancel-culture-and-the-holocaust/)
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People can argue the it was race not race reasoning all they want, here's the way I see it, HITLER killed the Jews because HE believed they were an inferior race and that's the only reality that matters. Hitler also took the opportunity to kill anyone that dared disagree with him no matter they were non Jew Germans or any other nationality or race. Many a German that dared to speak out against Hitler found themselves in prison if they were lucky or sent to the concentration camps along with the Jews.
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Adolf Hitler's Address to the Reichstag
30 JAN 1939
. . . I believe the earlier this problem is resolved, the better. For Europe cannot find peace before it has dealt properly with the Jewish question.
It is possible that the necessity of resolving this problem sooner or later should bring about agreement in Europe, even between nations which otherwise might not have reconciled themselves as readily with one another. There is more than enough room for settlement on this earth. All we need to do is put an end to the prevailing assumption that the Dear Lord chose the Jewish people to be the beneficiaries of a certain percentage of the productive capacities of other peoples’ bodies and their labors. Either the Jews will have to adjust to constructive, respectable activities, such as other people are already engaged in, or, sooner or later, they will succumb to a crisis of yet inconceivable proportions.
And there is yet one more topic on which I would like to speak on this day, perhaps not only memorable for us Germans: I have been a prophet very often in my lifetime, and this earned me mostly ridicule. In the time of my struggle for power, it was primarily the Jewish people who mocked my prophecy that, one day, I would assume leadership of this Germany, of this State, and of the entire Volk, and that I would press for a resolution of the Jewish question, among many other problems. The resounding laughter of the Jews in Germany then may well be stuck in their throats today, I suspect.
Once again I will be a prophet: should the international Jewry of finance (Finanzjudentum) succeed, both within and beyond Europe, in plunging mankind into yet another world war, then the result will not be a Bolshevization of the earth and the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation (Vernichtung) of the Jewish race in Europe. Thus, the days of propagandist impotence of the non-Jewish peoples are over.
National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy possess institutions which, if necessary, permit opening the eyes of the world to the true nature of this problem. . . .
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_Address_to_the_Reichstag_(30_January_1939)
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C'mon, man!
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Whoopi’s insulting anti-Semitic fried chicken recipe for charity cookbook comes back to haunt her
Actress Whoopi Goldberg’s anti-Semitic “Jewish-American Princess Fried Chicken” recipe that mocks a Jewish housewife has resurfaced after she was suspended from “The View” for inappropriate and offensive comments over race and the Holocaust.
Goldberg submitted a cringy recipe in 1993 to a charity cookbook titled “Cooking in the Litchfield Hills” that is coming back to haunt her. The Daily Mail obtained a copy of the cookbook which contains dishes such as Diane Sawyer’s “roasted potato skins with scallion dip,” Eartha Kitt’s “summer zucchini soup with nasturtium blossoms,” Oscar de la Renta’s “fresh pumpkin and crab soup,” former U.S. Senator Joe Lieberman’s “noodle pudding,” and fashion designer Diane Von Furstenberg’s “sour cream stuffed chicken with new potatoes.”
https://twitter.com/JosephMorrisYT/status/1489724032844980226
more
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/02/05/whoopis-insulting-anti-semitic-fried-chicken-recipe-for-charity-cookbook-comes-back-to-haunt-her-1197137/
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Fun Fact: Whoopi Goldberg is less Jewish than Elizabeth Warren is an American Indian
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Just another hateful angry Black American who claims to be 'oppressed' while lounging in her multimillion dollar estate.
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Just another hateful angry Black American who claims to be 'oppressed' while lounging in her multimillion dollar estate.
:thumbsup:
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So Nazis killing Jews because of their race didn't have anything to do with Race? Seriously?
I see that logic is not your strong suit.
There are other traits besides skin color. The Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, and Mongolians all have the same skin color. But the Japanese considered the other three inferior and worthy of slave labor due to their ethnicity.
I am so glad that Dennis Prager agrees with me!
Logic is my strong suit it's not your's.
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I am so glad that Dennis Prager agrees with me!
Your only agreement with Prager is that Jews are not a race. And on that claim, you were never challenged. Within the Jewish community, it is a popular post-Holocaust claim that most Jews share since it counters the reason behind their persecution and elimination. But again, no one challenged your statement on this. You were only challenged on your claim about the Nazi mindset.
Logic is my strong suit it's not your's.
This coming from the person who claimed that Nazis killing Jews because of their race didn't have anything to do with race.
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Your only agreement with Prager is that Jews are not a race. And on that claim, you were never challenged. Within the Jewish community, it is a popular post-Holocaust claim that most Jews share since it counters the reason behind their persecution and elimination. But again, no one challenged your statement on this. You were only challenged on your claim about the Nazi mindset.
This coming from the person who claimed that Nazis killing Jews because of their race didn't have anything to do with race.
@Hoodat
If they were to use "ethnicity" in place of "race", there wouldn't be any discussion.
Europe wasn't a "Melting Pot" like the good old, U.S.A.. The "Old Country" was a continent of tribes.
The Jewish Tribe was one of many. ALL Caucasians.
Father Dominic and Sister Mary Perpetua would be spinning in their graves to hear Jews are a separate race. :laugh:
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@Hoodat
If they were to use "ethnicity" in place of "race", there wouldn't be any discussion.
Tell that to Hitler. He had no problem using the word 'race'.
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The Jewish Tribe was one of many. ALL Caucasians.
German Jews were part of the German Tribe. And for the record, the race theory origin behind the term 'Caucasian' has since been disproven. So you may want to refrain from using obsolete terms when criticizing others as being out of date.
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Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honor
Entirely convinced that the purity of German blood is essential to the further existence of the German people, and inspired by the uncompromising determination to safeguard the future of the German nation, the Reichstag has unanimously resolved upon the following law, which is promulgated herewith:
Section 1
1. Marriages between Jews and citizens of German or kindred blood are forbidden. Marriages concluded in defiance of this law are void, even if, for the purpose of evading this law, they were concluded abroad.
2. Proceedings for annulment may be initiated only by the Public Prosecutor.
Section 2
Sexual relations outside marriage between Jews and nationals of German or kindred blood are forbidden.
Section 3
Jews will not be permitted to employ female citizens of German or kindred blood as domestic servants.
Section 4
1. Jews are forbidden to display the Reich and national flag or the national colors.
2. On the other hand they are permitted to display the Jewish colors. The exercise of this right is protected by the State.
Section 5
1. A person who acts contrary to the prohibition of Section 1 will be punished with hard labour.
2. A person who acts contrary to the prohibition of Section 2 will be punished with imprisonment or with hard labour.
3. A person who acts contrary to the provisions of Sections 3 or
4 will be punished with imprisonment up to a year and with a fine, or with one of these penalties.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/law-for-the-protection-of-german-blood-and-german-honor
This wasn't about tribal separation. German Jews fought valiantly for Germany in WWI as German citizens. They were every bit a German as every other person born in Germany. And even more so than the Austrian-born Hitler. But Hitler was deemed German by race and not by birth - the same racial qualifier that stripped German Jews of their German citizenship.
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German Jews were part of the German Tribe. And for the record, the race theory origin behind the term 'Caucasian' has since been disproven. So you may want to refrain from using obsolete terms when criticizing others as being out of date.
@Hoodat
Hutus and Tutsis were both part of the Rwandan Tribe. Part of the African Tribe. Trunk or a main branch of the Negroid Race.
I can keep doing this all night. :laugh:
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@Hoodat
If they were to use "ethnicity" in place of "race", there wouldn't be any discussion.
Agree @DCPatriot
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Six million Poles were executed by the Nazis. Three million Jewish. Three million Christian. They were murdered because they were considered sub-human, and inferior to the Aryan race.
Four million Ukrainians slaughtered by the Nazis. 3.1 million of those were non-Jews. Again, they were considered sub-human, and inferior to the Aryan master race.
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Fun Fact: Whoopi Goldberg is less Jewish than Elizabeth Warren is an American Indian
Are you reverting back to the old Frank Cannon we all admired and have missed?
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Tell that to Hitler. He had no problem using the word 'race'.
So now Hitler is our go to expert on all sociology questions? :laugh:
Is "Catholic" a race? How about "Baptists"? Or how about blanket "Christianity"; is this a race?
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So now Hitler is our go to expert on all sociology questions? :laugh:
When it comes to Hitler's reasons for doing what he did, yes.
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Female German Auxiliaries Don't look like any 'Antifa' types are there...maybe I'm wrong. :shrug:
Looks like a guy or a trans in the middle of that pack
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Six million Poles were executed by the Nazis. Three million Jewish. Three million Christian. They were murdered because they were considered sub-human, and inferior to the Aryan race.
Four million Ukrainians slaughtered by the Nazis. 3.1 million of those were non-Jews. Again, they were considered sub-human, and inferior to the Aryan master race.
It is a now established fact that the German Blitzkrieg into Poland and beyond was achieved because all the German soldiers were hopped up on Crystal Meth pills that were distributed like candy.
Empathy was placed into a coma...and they became unfeeling killing machines.
Also, blond haired and blue-eyed European (non-German) children were taken from their parents and raised by the German State...if they met certain physical requirements.
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Are you reverting back to the old Frank Cannon we all admired and have missed?
Yes. I am a caring man. Freedom For Frank.
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Yes. I am a caring man. Freedom For Frank.
Great. I can sleep comfortably for the first time in a long time.
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Great. I can sleep comfortably for the first time in a long time.
His diabetic cat died. But we all celebrated its life.
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Section 2
Sexual relations outside marriage between Jews and nationals of German or kindred blood are forbidden.
You can throw that one down a sewer pipe. All the of the young women and girls, Jewish or not, under Nazi domination were raped. The Nazis had a building set up in every camp called 'the whorehouse' where women were taken to be forcibly raped. In fact the Nazis would divert entire battalions of soldier to the camps for what they called, in our terms, to blow off steam.
The women and girls the Nazis labeled 'inferior' were treated worse than any slaves. They were raped until the Nazis were tired of them or they became pregnant, then they were killed.
This was not only in the camps. In the cities and suburbs these females were kept as 'working slaves', housekeepers, field hands, factory slaves, and of course they were raped as a matter of routine.
Section 2 was never observed. It did not apply in real reality.
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The Nazi Party was birthed out of the belief that German Jews had sabotaged the war effort in WWII causing Germany to lose the war, and subjecting the nation to the humiliation under the Versailles Treaty. This became a core tenet of Nazi philosophy as they embraced the concept of Aryan racial purity as the prototypical German. From the onset, racial lines were drawn. Aryan included Germans, while non-Aryans included Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, Africans, etc.
From 1933 onward, the Nazis began identifying and separating these non-Aryans by taking away opportunities, depriving them of citizenship status, prohibiting who they could marry, and segregating them from Aryan Germans. All of this was done under the pretense of race. Or if you don't like the word race, then ethnicity (which means the same damn thing).
Take Gypsies for example. They were of darker skin, and thus singled out by the Nazis as non-Aryan. Yet in every sense of the (obsolete) word, Gypsies are Caucasians. So what's the difference? Religion? Can't be that. Gypsies are Christians. Country of origin? Nope. German Gypsies were born in Germany. As were their parents, grandparents, etc. So why single out Gypsies? Because they weren't part of the Aryan master race.
And then 1939 arrives. The with the invasion of Poland, the Nazis gain control of a population rich in Jews. Nothing tribal about it. They were Poles, first and foremost. But the Nazis chose to segregate that society, separating people along racial lines. Ghettos were built to segregate the Jews.
In 1941 came the invasion of the Soviet Union. At the same time, the "Final Solution" was drafted by Himmler, Eichmann, and Heydrich to address "the Jewish problem". 'Final' meaning death. Special units called Einsatzgruppen were formed for one reason and one reason only. To exterminate people based on race. And death camps were constructed in Eastern Poland to rid Europe of the non-Aryan Jews. Chelmno, Treblinka, Sobibor - these camps were build for one reason and one reason only, to wipe out a race of people.
This is clearly documented in every single thing that the Nazis ever said or published. And yours or Whoopi Goldberg's opinion on race doesn't have a damn thing to do with the reasons why the Nazis did what they did. Again, Nazis killed Jews because they considered them an inferior race and a detriment to their ideals for an Aryan Reich. It really didn't matter if they looked white to Whoopi Goldberg. To them, they obviously saw a racial distinction that separated them from their Aryan ideals, regardless of what religion they happened to practice.
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When it comes to Hitler's reasons for doing what he did, yes.
But that doesn't mean Hitler was right simply because the cretin used race instead of ethnicity. His ultimate goal was to create the master German "race". Shall we agree with this, too?
Judaism has been a tribal ethnicity for centuries developed and promoted to preserve the religious, cultural and legal traditions of the Jewish people.
BTW, the Jewish tribe includes people from different races.
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@Hoodat
Hutus and Tutsis were both part of the Rwandan Tribe. Part of the African Tribe. Trunk or a main branch of the Negroid Race.
Negroid Race? Sounds like something Himmler would say.
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But that doesn't mean Hitler was right simply because the cretin used race instead of ethnicity.
Not once did I give even the slightest hint that Hitler was right.
His ultimate goal was to create the master German "race". Shall we agree with this, too?
Not simply create, but to refine in a world devoid of any non-Aryans. New living space to the East, free of Jews.
Judaism has been a tribal ethnicity for centuries developed and promoted to preserve the religious, cultural and legal traditions of the Jewish people.
It goes back to the Bible. Back to Isaac and Jacob. Not that that has a thing to do with Nazi reasoning.
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Prisoners were not the only ones subjected to forced sexuality. The Nazis set up camps with Aryan boys and young Nazi approved young German girls with the specific goal that they should get pregnant. Hitler and his advisors knew they would need a next generation wave of Aryans to dominate the world. Therefore they set up breeding colonies, where young Aryan women were expected to become impregnated by young Aryan boys. This would be, had they not failed, the next german Army.
The Nazis viewed even there own women and girls as nothing more than breeding stock.
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She just admitted all Caucasions look the same to her. That's a tad racist, in my book.
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His diabetic cat died. But we all celebrated its life.
Your Avatar went from the Big Man to the Big Guy, sometimes called the Big Liar