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Title: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: rangerrebew on February 09, 2014, 01:05:21 pm

It Was Only A Matter Of Time: School Bans Kids From Giving Each Other Valentine’s Day Candy



Mike Miller  Mike Miller
On February 8, 2014
http://mikesright.wordpress.com/

 
A school in Connecticut has sent parents an email from the principal telling them that kids may no longer give each other candy on Valentine’s Day. In lieu of candy, the principal suggested “art supplies.”

Harwinton Consolidated School Principal Megan Mazzei wrote to moms and dads:


“We are asking for parents/guardians to be sure that food products of any kind are not a part of your child’s Valentine’s cards. We are working to encourage healthy practices as well as manage food choices in classrooms where food allergies are present in order to maintain a safe environment.”

One of the school’s teachers even sent a separate letter to parents reinforcing the ban.


“Our new school policy asks that students do not bring in candy or attach candy to their valentines,” the teacher wrote. She even bold-faced “DO NOT” lest there be any confusion.”

Another teacher explained that students will be allowed to exchange cards, but added this:


“No snacks will be needed, and treat bags cannot be sent home in backpacks. [We] will not be having a party.”

Okay, I can appreciate banning candies containing nuts as it relates to food allergies, but those little hearts with the silly sayings? C’mon! Part of Americana, dudes! Pretty safe to say those little chocolate Easter bunnies and colored marshmallow eggs will be toast as well.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/02/113696-go-school-bans-kids-giving-valentines-day-candy/
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: mountaineer on February 09, 2014, 01:34:06 pm
I'm curious: Do posters here over the age of 40 recall anyone in their elementary schools having food allergies?  I sure can't.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Charlespg on February 09, 2014, 02:17:43 pm
I'm curious: Do posters here over the age of 40 recall anyone in their elementary schools having food allergies?  I sure can't.
neither do I
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: EC on February 09, 2014, 02:56:54 pm
I'm curious: Do posters here over the age of 40 recall anyone in their elementary schools having food allergies?  I sure can't.

One kid was allergic to shellfish in my class. Never saw the allergy in action though - we were just reminded not to trade sandwiches with him if we had shrimp paste or crab. That was about it.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: rangerrebew on February 09, 2014, 05:28:39 pm
Back when I was in elementary school, when Moby Dick was still a minnow, I don't remember a problem.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: musiclady on February 09, 2014, 06:39:39 pm
I'm curious: Do posters here over the age of 40 recall anyone in their elementary schools having food allergies?  I sure can't.

Not a single one.  Ever.

Nor can my husband.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Atomic Cow on February 09, 2014, 06:49:56 pm
I'm not quite 40, but I remember two kids in elementary school who had food allergies, both to peanuts.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: happyg on February 09, 2014, 09:59:53 pm
I'm 66 and never saw a food allergy reaction. That not only includes schools, but weddings, parties or anything where food is served.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on February 09, 2014, 10:28:30 pm
I'm curious: Do posters here over the age of 40 recall anyone in their elementary schools having food allergies?  I sure can't.

No food allergies but a strong moral opposition to the chipped beef on toast crap they'd serve near the end of the month.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Rapunzel on February 09, 2014, 10:37:27 pm
Nope............ never.  But then we were not vaccinated up the ying yang when I was growing up...
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: happyg on February 09, 2014, 10:45:12 pm
Why don't these same kids have allergies when being breastfed from mothers who eat nuts? I wonder what the triggers are?
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Rapunzel on February 09, 2014, 10:48:37 pm
http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/allergies/vaccines-and-the-peanut-allergy-epidemic/

Vaccines and the Peanut Allergy Epidemic

    Tim O’Shea

Have you ever wondered why so many kids these days are allergic to peanuts? Where did this allergy come from all of a sudden?

Before 1900, reactions to peanuts were unheard of. Today almost a 1.5 million children in this country are allergic to peanuts.

What happened? Why is everybody buying EpiPens now?

Looking at all the problems with vaccines during the past decade, [2] just a superficial awareness is enough to raise the suspicion that vaccines might have some role in the appearance of any novel allergy among children.

But reactions to peanuts are not just another allergy. Peanut allergy has suddenly emerged as the #1 cause of death from food reactions, being in a category of allergens able to cause anaphylaxis. This condition brings the risk of asthma attack, shock, respiratory failure, and even death. Primarily among children.

Sources cited in Heather Fraser’s 2011 book The Peanut Allergy Epidemic suggest a vaccine connection much more specifically. We learn that a class of vaccine adjuvants – excipients – is a likely suspect in what may accurately be termed an epidemic. [1]

But let’s back up a little. We have to look at both vaccines and antibiotics in recent history, and the physical changes the ingredients in these brand new medicines introduced into the blood of children.

ANAPHYLACTIC SHOCK AND ALLERGY

Before 1900, anaphylactic shock was virtually unknown. The syndrome of sudden fainting, respiratory distress, convulsions, and sometimes death did not exist until vaccinators switched from the lancet to the hypodermic needle. That transformation was essentially complete by the turn of the century in the western world.

Right at that time, a new disease called Serum Sickness began to afflict thousands of children. A variety of symptoms, including shock, fainting, and sometimes death, could suddenly result following an injection.

Instead of covering it up, the connection was well recognized and documented in the medical literature of the day. Dr Clemens Von Pirquet, who actually coined the word “allergy,” was a leading researcher in characterizing the new disease. [5] Serum Sickness was the first mass allergenic phenomenon in history. What had been required for its onset, apparently, was the advent of the hypodermic needle.

When the needle replaced the lancet in the late 1800s, Serum Sickness soon became a frequent visitor to the child’s bed. It was a known consequence of vaccinations. Indeed, the entire field of modern allergy has evolved from the early study of Serum Sickness coming from vaccines.

VACCINE HYPERSENSITIVITY

Von Pirquet recognized that vaccines had 2 primary effects: immunity and hypersensitivity. [5] He said they were inseparable: the one was the price of the other.

In other words, if we were going to benefit from the effects of mass immunization, we must accept the downside of mass hypersensitivity as a necessary co-feature. Modern medicine has decided that this double effect should be kept secret, so they don’t allow it to be brought up much.

Many doctors in the early 1900s were dead set against vaccines for this precise reason. The advertised benefit was not proven to be worth the risk. Doctors like Walter Hadwen MD, Wm. Howard Hay, and Alfred Russell Wallace saw how smallpox vaccines had actually increased the incidence of smallpox. [2,3] Wallace was one of the principal epidemiologists of the age, and his charts showing the increase in smallpox death from vaccination are unassailable – meticulous primary sources.

Another landmark researcher of the early 1900s was Dr Charles Richet, the one who coined the term anaphylaxis. [4] Richet focused on the reactions that some people seemed to have to certain foods. He found that with food allergies, the reaction came on as the result of intact proteins in the food having bypassed the digestive system and making their way intact into the blood, via leaky gut.

Foreign protein in the blood, of course, is a universal trigger for allergic reaction, not just in man but in all animals. [6]

But Richet noted that in the severe cases, food anaphylaxis did not happen just by eating a food. That would simply be food poisoning.

Food anaphylaxis is altogether different. This sudden, violent reaction requires an initial sensitization involving injection of some sort, followed by a later ingestion of the sensitized food. Get the shot, then later eat the food.

The initial exposure creates the hypersensitivity. The second exposure would be the violent, perhaps fatal, physical event.

Richet’s early work around 1900 was primarily with eggs, meat, milk and diphtheria proteins. Not peanuts. The value of Richet’s research with reactive foods was to teach us the sequence of allergic sensitivity leading to anaphylaxis, how that had to take place.

Soon other doctors began to notice striking similarities between food reactions and the serum sickness that was associated with vaccines. Same exact clinical presentation.

PENICILLIN

Next up was penicillin, which became popular in the 1940s. It was soon found that additives called excipients were necessary to prolong the effect of the antibiotic injected into the body. The excipients would act as carrier molecules. Without excipients, the penicillin would only last about 2 hours. Refined oils worked best, acting as time-release capsules for the antibiotic.

Peanut oil became the favorite, because it worked well, and was available and inexpensive.

Allergy to penicillin became common, and was immediately recognized as a sensitivity to the excipient oils. To the present day, that’s why they always ask if you’re allergic to penicillin. The allergy is a sensitivity to the excipients.

By 1953 as many as 12% of the population was allergic to penicillin. [1] But considering the upside with life-threatening bacterial infections, it was still a good deal – a worthwhile risk.

By 1950 antibiotics were being given out like M&Ms. Soldiers, children, anybody with any illness, not just bacterial. Despite Alexander Fleming’s severe warnings against prophylactic antibiotics, antibiotics were given indiscriminately as the new wonder drug. Just in case anything. [7] Only then, in the 1950s, did peanut allergy begin to occur, even though Americans had been eating peanuts for well over a century.

Remember – just eating peanuts cannot cause peanut allergy. Except if they are allowed to become moldy of course, in which case aflatoxins are released. But that’s really not a peanut allergy.

When peanut allergy did appear, the numbers of cases were fairly small and initially it wasn’t even considered worthy of study.

THE RISE OF VACCINES

The big change came with vaccines. Peanut oils were introduced as vaccine excipients in the mid 1960s. An article appeared in the NY Times on 18 Sept, 1964 that would never be printed today. [8] The author described how a newly patented ingredient containing peanut oil was added as an adjuvant to a new flu vaccine, in order to prolong the “immunity.” The oil was reported to act as a time release capsule, and theoretically enhanced the vaccine’s strength. Same mechanism as with penicillin.

That new excipient, though not approved in the US, became the model for subsequent vaccines. ([1] p 103)

By 1980 peanut oil had become the preferred excipient in vaccines, even though the dangers were well documented. [9] It was considered an adjuvant – a substance able to increase reactivity to the vaccine. This reinforced the Adjuvant Myth: the illusion that immune response is the same as immunity [2].

The pretense here is that the stronger the allergic response to the vaccine, the greater will be the immunity that is conferred. This fundamental error is consistent throughout vaccine literature of the past century.

Historically, researchers who challenged this Commandment of vaccine mythology did not advance their careers.

KEEPING PEANUT ADJUVANTS A SECRET

The first study of peanut allergies was not undertaken until 1973. It was a study of peanut excipients in vaccines. Soon afterwards, and as a result of the attention from that study, manufacturers were no longer required to disclose all the ingredients in vaccines.

What is listed in the Physicians Desk Reference in each vaccine section is not the full formula. Same with the inserts. Suddenly after 1973, that detailed information was proprietary: the manufacturers knew it must be protected. Intellectual property. So now they only were required to describe the formula in general.

Why was peanut allergy so violent? Adjuvant pioneer Maurice Hilleman claimed peanut oil adjuvants had all protein removed by refining. [9] The FDA disagreed. They said some peanut protein traces would always persist [10]- that even the most refined peanut oils still contained some traces of intact peanut proteins. This was the reason doctors were directed to inject vaccines intramuscular rather than intravenous – a greater chance of absorption of intact proteins, less chance of reaction.

But all their secret research obviously wasn’t enough to prevent sensitivity. Mother Nature bats last: no intact proteins in the body. 60 million years of Natural Selection didn’t create the mammalian immune system for nothing. Put intact proteins, peanut or whatever, for any imagined reason into the human system and the inflammatory response will fire. And since the goal of oil emulsion adjuvants was to prolong reactivity in the first place – the notion of time-release – this led to sensitization.

PEANUT ALLERGY EPIDEMIC

Although peanut allergies became fairly common during the 1980s, it wasn’t until the early 1990s when there was a sudden surge of children reacting to peanuts – the true epidemic appeared. What changed? The Mandated Schedule of vaccines for children doubled from the 80s to the 90s:

1980 – 20 vaccines
1995 – 40 vaccines
2011 – 68 vaccines

It would be imprudent enough to feed peanuts to a newborn, since the digestive system is largely unformed. But this is much worse – injecting intact proteins directly into the infant’s body. In 36 vaccines before the age of 18 months.

A new kind of anaphylaxis appeared with peanut reactions: reverse anaphylaxis. (p 172, [1]) The reaction was not only to the sensitizing antigen, but to the weird new antibodies that had just been introduced in the human species by the new antigen. Without the usual benefit of the evolutionary process.

As vaccines doubled between the 1980s and the 1990s, hundreds of thousands of kids were now exhibiting peanut sensitivities, with frequent cases of anaphylaxis reactions, sometimes fatal.

But nobody talked about it.

Following the next enormous increase in vaccines on the Mandated Schedule after 9/11, whereby the total shot up to 68 recommended vaccines, the peanut allergy soon reached epidemic proportions: a million children: 1.5% of them. These numbers fit the true definition of epidemic even though that word has never been used in mainstream literature with respect to peanut allergy, except in Fraser’s odd little book.

Many researchers, not just Heather Fraser, could see very clearly that

    “The peanut allergy epidemic in children was precipitated by childhood injections.”
    ( [1], p 106)

But with the newfound research, the medical profession will do what they always must do – bury it. Protect the companies. So no money will be ever allocated from NIH to study the obvious connection between vaccine excipients and peanut allergy. That cannot happen, primarily because it would require a control group – an unvaccinated population. And that is the Unspoken Forbidden.

Same line of reasoning that has prevented Wakefield’s work from ever being replicated in a mainstream US clinical study. No unvaccinated populations. Which actually means no studies whose outcome could possibly implicate vaccines as a source of disease or immunosuppression. Vaccines as a cause of an allergy epidemic? Impossible. Let’s definitely not study it.

Instead let’s spend the next 20 years looking for the Genetic Link to the childhood peanut allergy epidemic…

In such a flawed system, any pretense of true clinical science is revealed as fatally handicapped of course: we are looking for the truth, wherever our studies shall take us, except for this, and this, and oh yes, this.

Evidence for the connection between peanut excipients and vaccines is largely indirect today, because of the circling of the wagons by the manufacturers. It is very difficult to find peanut excipients listed in the inserts and PDR listings of vaccines. Simple liability.

FRAME OF REFERENCE

So in addition to all the other problems with vaccines delineated in our text, now we have a new one – peanut oil excipients. Which all by themselves can cause severe, even fatal, episodes of shock, as well as chronic allergy – irrespective of the mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, ethylene glycol, and the attenuated pathogens which the manufacturers do admit to.

Quite a toxic burden to saddle the unprotected newborn with. No wonder the US Supreme Court refers to vaccines as “unavoidably unsafe.”

Childhood allergies doubled between 1980 and 2000, and have doubled again since that time. [11] Theories abound. Childhood vaccines doubled at the same time. Why is there a virtual blackout of viable discussion about this glaring fact?

The epidemic of peanut allergy is just one facet of this much broader social phenomenon. We have the sickest, most allergic kids of any country, industrialized or not, on Earth. A study of the standard literature of vaccines is identical to a study of the history of adjuvants – an exercise in cover-up and dissimulation. Unvaccinated children don’t become autistic. And they don’t go into shock from eating peanuts.

But there can never be a formal clinical study where the control group is unvaccinated. NIH would never do that. They cannot. They know the outcome.

references

1. Fraser, H, The Peanut allergy epidemic, Skyhorse 2011

2. O’Shea, T, Vaccination is not immunization, thedoctorwithin 2013

3. Wallace, AR, Vaccine delusion, 1898

4. Richet, C, Nobel lecture, acceptance speech, 11 Dec 1913
Nobel Lectures Physiology or Medicine 1901-1921, Elsevier Publishing Company, Amsterdam, 1967
www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1913/richet-lecture.html

5. Von Pirquet, C, MD, On the theory of infectious disease
Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine Volume 80, January 1987

6. O’Shea, T, Allergies: the threshold of reactivity
www.thedoctorwithin.com/allergies/Allergies-The-Threshold-of-Reactivity/

7. O’Shea, T, The post antibiotic age
www.thedoctorwithin.com/antibiotics/Post-Antibiotic-Age/

8. Jones, S, Peanut oil used in a new vaccine New York Times 18 Sep 13

9. HOBSON, D, MD, The potential role of immunological adjuvants
in influenza vaccines Postgraduate Medical Journal March 1973 , no. 49, p 180.

http://pmj.bmj.com/content/49/569/180.full.pdf

9. Technical Report # 595, Immunological Adjuvants, World Health Org. 1976.

http://whqlibdoc.who.int/trs/WHO_TRS_595.pdf

10. FDA: March 2006. Approaches to Establish Thresholds for Major Food Allergens
www.fda.gov/downloads/food/labelingnutrition/foodallergenslabeling/guidancecomplianceregulatoryinformation/ucm192048.pdf

11. O’Shea, T, The threshold of reactivity
www.thedoctorwithin.com/allergies/Allergies-The-Threshold-of-Reactivity/
- See more at: http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/allergies/vaccines-and-the-peanut-allergy-epidemic/#sthash.XbySJuKG.dpuf
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Gazoo on February 09, 2014, 10:55:19 pm
I'm curious: Do posters here over the age of 40 recall anyone in their elementary schools having food allergies?  I sure can't.

No, no one did that I recall. Thank God I don't have kids nowadays.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: EC on February 10, 2014, 03:47:57 am
Why don't these same kids have allergies when being breastfed from mothers who eat nuts? I wonder what the triggers are?

You partly answered your own question. Breastfeeding is vital for a baby. It accelerates their immune system development and makes it far more robust. Take bottle feeding, throw in the tendency to sanitize everything that is currently fashionable and you have a fine recipe for weak immune systems that over react to anything new.

Ties in with what Rap posted about vaccines. The vaccines are not causing the allergies. The body is over-reacting to the vaccines because it's immune system is crippled.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Oceander on February 10, 2014, 03:52:45 am
I'm curious: Do posters here over the age of 40 recall anyone in their elementary schools having food allergies?  I sure can't.

I remember a small handful; mostly peanuts (that one seems to get a lot of attention because it can so easily kill).
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Rapunzel on February 10, 2014, 03:55:35 am
You partly answered your own question. Breastfeeding is vital for a baby. It accelerates their immune system development and makes it far more robust. Take bottle feeding, throw in the tendency to sanitize everything that is currently fashionable and you have a fine recipe for weak immune systems that over react to anything new.

Ties in with what Rap posted about vaccines. The vaccines are not causing the allergies. The body is over-reacting to the vaccines because it's immune system is crippled.

It's the same thing as vaccinating puppies before they are weined. While they are nursing they get natural immunity from their mother - you vaccinate them you actually destroy that natural immunity and it is why there has been such a tremendous increase in allergies and worse in our pets...... A lot of people really do not understand vaccines and how they work in the body... I'm surprised Aligncare hasn't weighed in on this, too...  he and I are simpatico on this subject.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Oceander on February 10, 2014, 04:03:04 am
You partly answered your own question. Breastfeeding is vital for a baby. It accelerates their immune system development and makes it far more robust. Take bottle feeding, throw in the tendency to sanitize everything that is currently fashionable and you have a fine recipe for weak immune systems that over react to anything new.

Ties in with what Rap posted about vaccines. The vaccines are not causing the allergies. The body is over-reacting to the vaccines because it's immune system is crippled.

Breastfeeding isn't the magic cure-all and - please don't take this personally - I am more than a little tired of the tit-fascists, La Leche being one of the worst, in this country who basically try to browbeat exhausted mothers who gave birth only hours before that they're going to be rotten mothers and destroy their newborn's life if they don't breastfeed.  The tit-fascists even got NYC to forbid the discussion of, or provision of, formulas in the hospitals.

My daughter wasn't breastfed - not even once - and she's doing quite well, thank you very much.  She gets a rash if she's exposed to dirty hay or really old, brittle alfalfa - and so do a lot of other people who spend time around horses - which she can easily control with a long-sleeved shirt and gloves, and making sure she cleans off the dust as soon as possible.

The mania for sterility in the home, especially for newborns and toddlers, is almost certainly a bigger factor in the (apparent) increase in allergies.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: EC on February 10, 2014, 04:03:10 am
It's the same thing as vaccinating puppies before they are weined. While they are nursing they get natural immunity from their mother - you vaccinate them you actually destroy that natural immunity and it is why there has been such a tremendous increase in allergies and worse in our pets...... A lot of people really do not understand vaccines and how they work in the body... I'm surprised Aligncare hasn't weighed in on this, too...  he and I are simpatico on this subject.

Exactly right! Not saying vaccines are a bad thing - they are not - but the age they are being given is younger and younger. We actually had a fight with the midwife over Dani. She wanted her vaccinated at 2 months old. No damned way, her immune system wouldn't have been able to cope. She's just had her first round of vaccinations at 14 months, now she is no longer breastfeeding.

I sometimes wonder if the apparent increase in autism and ADHD related illness isn't related more to bottle feeding and early vaccination than to the vaccines themselves.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Rapunzel on February 10, 2014, 04:09:51 am
Exactly right! Not saying vaccines are a bad thing - they are not - but the age they are being given is younger and younger. We actually had a fight with the midwife over Dani. She wanted her vaccinated at 2 months old. No damned way, her immune system wouldn't have been able to cope. She's just had her first round of vaccinations at 14 months, now she is no longer breastfeeding.

I sometimes wonder if the apparent increase in autism and ADHD related illness isn't related more to bottle feeding and early vaccination than to the vaccines themselves.

They are giving the hepatitis vaccine to newborn babies before they leave the hospital. A doctor used to work for was in Pediatrics, it was amazing how these babies came in for vaccinations and then within a day or two was back with an illness after being healthy to that point.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Atomic Cow on February 10, 2014, 04:10:26 am
With allergies, there probably is no one single cause.

I had all the usual vaccinations as a kid, and my allergies are all nasal allergies, the exact same ones my parents have.  I did test positive to allergies to peanuts and corn, but it was so low that the doctor said it might just be because I ate those things the day or two before they drew the blood for the test.  This was 20 years ago and I never once have had a problem eating corn or peanuts.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: EC on February 10, 2014, 04:19:09 am
With allergies, there probably is no one single cause.

I had all the usual vaccinations as a kid, and my allergies are all nasal allergies, the exact same ones my parents have.  I did test positive to allergies to peanuts and corn, but it was so low that the doctor said it might just be because I ate those things the day or two before they drew the blood for the test.  This was 20 years ago and I never once have had a problem eating corn or peanuts.

There are bound to be multiple causes. I am allergic to one specific type of grass (red top) that brings me out in a rash, and rather badly allergic to crab - that developed in my teens and is really annoying because I loved crab!

Have had more than the usual number of vaccinations - the only one that bothers me at all is the Yellow Fever one that makes me feel sick as hell for a couple days afterwards.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Oceander on February 10, 2014, 04:24:03 am
My siblings and I had quite a few vaccinations as tots - moving to places like Kenya, India, and Nigeria in the early and middle 1970s will do that - and none of us has suffered any ill effects.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on February 10, 2014, 04:33:43 am
My siblings and I had quite a few vaccinations as tots - moving to places like Kenya, India, and Nigeria in the early and middle 1970s will do that - and none of us has suffered any ill effects.

Barry?
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: raml on February 10, 2014, 05:37:41 am
I am 68 and never saw a person who had an allergy when growing up in school or out of it. Breast feeding my age group was rarely if ever done back then. My mothers age group gladly used formula so they didn't feel as tied down and doctors highly recommended back then. I breast fed my oldest two and one got asthma my oldest son and my daughter she was allergic to metal from the very first. My oldest son took the shots when he was in high school to defuse his allergies and it worked. My twins who were not breast fed only have one allergy and it is to a drug they use sometimes when they put you under for surgery they have no other allergies. I developed an allergy to metal after age 50. I became allergic to iodine as an adult too so lobster, shrimp and crap were a no no I did not have this allergy as a child either but my father had also developed this allergy as an adult so maybe it was genetic. I have no idea why you hear so much now about allergies when back when I was growing up you never heard a thing about them.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: EC on February 10, 2014, 05:41:52 am
raml - might want to get a thyroid check done. Iodine is reasonably toxic if your thyroid is not in tip top shape.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: mountaineer on February 10, 2014, 01:20:21 pm
Breastfeeding isn't the magic cure-all and - please don't take this personally - I am more than a little tired of the tit-fascists, La Leche being one of the worst, in this country who basically try to browbeat exhausted mothers who gave birth only hours before that they're going to be rotten mothers and destroy their newborn's life if they don't breastfeed.  The tit-fascists even got NYC to forbid the discussion of, or provision of, formulas in the hospitals.

My daughter wasn't breastfed - not even once - and she's doing quite well, thank you very much. ... The mania for sterility in the home, especially for newborns and toddlers, is almost certainly a bigger factor in the (apparent) increase in allergies.
I agree. A little dirt is a good thing! With regard to breastfeeding, I find it interesting that my siblings and I - born in the 1950s and 1960s - who were fed nothing as infants but cow's milk laced with Karo corn syrup - did not have the allergies, ear infections, ADD/ADHD, etc., that seem so common today.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: happyg on February 10, 2014, 04:31:06 pm
I agree. A little dirt is a good thing! With regard to breastfeeding, I find it interesting that my siblings and I - born in the 1950s and 1960s - who were fed nothing as infants but cow's milk laced with Karo corn syrup - did not have the allergies, ear infections, ADD/ADHD, etc., that seem so common today.

I remember the milk with Karo syrup. Mom would put a tad in water bottles, as well. I have twin sisters who are 11 months younger than I. The doctors said they would have a hard time and might not make it. Mom fed them Carnation canned milk because of the fat content. They were never sick. Also, back then, baths were a weekly event or twice weekly event. I remember Mom getting mad at me for washing my hair so often.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 10, 2014, 04:57:56 pm
I'm curious: Do posters here over the age of 40 recall anyone in their elementary schools having food allergies?  I sure can't.

Nope, not one. 

No food allergies among any students through high school (even college).

But maybe we were a stronger lot--thanks in large part to all that water we drank directly from the garden hose.   :smokin: 
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Gazoo on February 10, 2014, 05:06:58 pm
Breastfeeding isn't the magic cure-all and - please don't take this personally - I am more than a little tired of the tit-fascists, La Leche being one of the worst, in this country who basically try to browbeat exhausted mothers who gave birth only hours before that they're going to be rotten mothers and destroy their newborn's life if they don't breastfeed.  The tit-fascists even got NYC to forbid the discussion of, or provision of, formulas in the hospitals.

My daughter wasn't breastfed - not even once - and she's doing quite well, thank you very much.  She gets a rash if she's exposed to dirty hay or really old, brittle alfalfa - and so do a lot of other people who spend time around horses - which she can easily control with a long-sleeved shirt and gloves, and making sure she cleans off the dust as soon as possible.

The mania for sterility in the home, especially for newborns and toddlers, is almost certainly a bigger factor in the (apparent) increase in allergies.

Breastfeeding is superior in most cases, period.  I agree with the cleanliness mania it is ridiculous. The anti-bacterial soap makers had to stop. The crap that makes sure everyone wins is also ridiculous. There was study put out a few years ago on these kids when they hit the workforce. They are lazy and expect to get time off for the most trivial self interest issues.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: happyg on February 10, 2014, 05:09:10 pm
Nope, not one. 

No food allergies among any students through high school (even college).

But maybe we were a stronger lot--thanks in large part to all that water we drank directly from the garden hose.   :smokin:

We went a few steps further than the garden hose. We kids would slip off and swim in the local canal, or any place with enough water to swim. We had to wear our tennis shoes to protect our feet in a couple local watering holes. We never got sick, and no one ever drowned.

When we did get sick, we didn't go to the doctor unless Mom thought we were dying. I don't remember ever going to the doctor, though did have my tonsils taken out when I was seven. My twin sisters had problems, and since Mom told the doctor I had an earache, he took mine out, too. That was it!
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on February 10, 2014, 06:39:56 pm
When we did get sick, we didn't go to the doctor unless Mom thought we were dying. I don't remember ever going to the doctor, though did have my tonsils taken out when I was seven. My twin sisters had problems, and since Mom told the doctor I had an earache, he took mine out, too. That was it!

Here's an idea that I've been floating around for a little while.

I'm not exactly sure what health insurance was like when I was growing up (mid 1960s through mid 1970s) but it was the same with us. We went to the doctor when limbs were falling off, or death was imminent. I always wrote that off as being a side effect of money being scarce, and visits to the doctor expensive.

Flash forward to the present, and I know parents who (literally) rush their kids to the doctor (or the ER if the doctor's office is closed) over the child having "a temperature", vomiting, or even just "feeling sick".

These are highly educated people, with good jobs and good health insurance.

I ask myself why they would do that? I keep coming back to this:

Imagine car insurance being structured the same as health insurance.

Any maintenance (tune ups, oil changes, etc.) would be "covered" by your insurance, and you'd only be responsible for a minimal co-pay. I'd do an oil change and a tune up every 2,000 miles.

What if replacing your tires only cost you a $50 co-pay?

I'd replace my tires every six months. 

Kids may very well be over-medicated and lacking in natural defenses against disease for the same reason that I'd have new tires every six months.

It's cheap to go to the doctor and get a pill for anything and everything that ails you, or even stuff that really isn't.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: NavyCanDo on February 10, 2014, 07:22:30 pm
Nothing says "I love you" like a box of Crayolas.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: NavyCanDo on February 10, 2014, 07:29:43 pm
I don't remember Valentine's Day being a real big candy day. The only thing I remember were those boxes of candy hearts that tasted like chalk or suckers that a kid would tape to the envelope.   The real candy happened when I got home after  I found where my mom hid her box of chocklets my dad gave her.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Rapunzel on February 10, 2014, 09:29:44 pm
Here's an idea that I've been floating around for a little while.

I'm not exactly sure what health insurance was like when I was growing up (mid 1960s through mid 1970s) but it was the same with us. We went to the doctor when limbs were falling off, or death was imminent. I always wrote that off as being a side effect of money being scarce, and visits to the doctor expensive.

Flash forward to the present, and I know parents who (literally) rush their kids to the doctor (or the ER if the doctor's office is closed) over the child having "a temperature", vomiting, or even just "feeling sick".

These are highly educated people, with good jobs and good health insurance.

I ask myself why they would do that? I keep coming back to this:

Imagine car insurance being structured the same as health insurance.

Any maintenance (tune ups, oil changes, etc.) would be "covered" by your insurance, and you'd only be responsible for a minimal co-pay. I'd do an oil change and a tune up every 2,000 miles.

What if replacing your tires only cost you a $50 co-pay?

I'd replace my tires every six months. 

Kids may very well be over-medicated and lacking in natural defenses against disease for the same reason that I'd have new tires every six months.

It's cheap to go to the doctor and get a pill for anything and everything that ails you, or even stuff that really isn't.

I happened to come across one of my husbands pay stubs from 1993 the other day.  This was right before Hillary Clinton screwed up healthcare industry with Hillarycare (yes, I know it didn't pass but she still managed to do a lot the public never realized). Now my husband was salaried and made a decent amount of money back then..... his pay stub for his dental insurance was $3.50 a month.  his Health Insurance (I had my own policy) was $75 a month with a 80/20 plan, $100 deductible.   One of the biggest line items on his stub was Social Security tax - (401K being the other which was fine).....  In 20 years the cost of health insurance has far exceeded the inflation rate and this is attributable to the government screwing with the health care industry.

As far as us going to doctors when we were kids - when we lived in Texas the doctor who delivered my middle sister lived across the street from my grandparents... he just crossed the street to see us when we had the measles.   When we all three ended up with viral pneumonia (living in California at the time) we all three were hospitalized with my youngest sister in an oxygen tent.  When we were living in Palos Verdes and all got the flu our pediatrician made a house call in pouring rain to check us..... today doctors almost never make house calls - some do on rare occasions. 

I was breast fed, so was my husband, but the canned milk, Karo Syrup formula was very popular for a lot of years, today they used canned poweded soy milk and a lot of this comes from China... given the option of breast feeding or a formula made in China I would opt for the breast or a goats milk forumula.  Goats milk is closest to human breast milk in the food chain.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Gazoo on February 10, 2014, 09:35:26 pm
I happened to come across one of my husbands pay stubs from 1993 the other day.  This was right before Hillary Clinton screwed up healthcare industry with Hillarycare (yes, I know it didn't pass but she still managed to do a lot the public never realized). Now my husband was salaried and made a decent amount of money back then..... his pay stub for his dental insurance was $3.50 a month.  his Health Insurance (I had my own policy) was $75 a month with a 80/20 plan, $100 deductible.   One of the biggest line items on his stub was Social Security tax - (401K being the other which was fine).....  In 20 years the cost of health insurance has far exceeded the inflation rate and this is attributable to the government screwing with the health care industry.

As far as us going to doctors when we were kids - when we lived in Texas the doctor who delivered my middle sister lived across the street from my grandparents... he just crossed the street to see us when we had the measles.   When we all three ended up with viral pneumonia (living in California at the time) we all three were hospitalized with my youngest sister in an oxygen tent.  When we were living in Palos Verdes and all got the flu our pediatrician made a house call in pouring rain to check us..... today doctors almost never make house calls - some do on rare occasions. 

I was breast fed, so was my husband, but the canned milk, Karo Syrup formula was very popular for a lot of years, today they used canned poweded soy milk and a lot of this comes from China... given the option of breast feeding or a formula made in China I would opt for the breast or a goats milk forumula.  Goats milk is closest to human breast milk in the food chain.

Wow that shows how the COLA have skyrocketed but wages frozen in time.

I did not know that about breast milk AND GOATS MILK. I had one CHILD I did not breast feed, he projectile vomited his powdered formula. Never would have dreamed allergies. He would have done better on breast milk.
Title: Re: It was only a matter of time: School bans kids from giving each other Valentine's Day candy
Post by: Rapunzel on February 10, 2014, 09:44:23 pm
Wow that shows how the COLA have skyrocketed but wages frozen in time.

I did not know that about breast milk AND GOATS MILK. I had one CHILD I did not breast feed, he projectile vomited his powdered formula. Never would have dreamed allergies. He would have done better on breast milk.

I was also raised on raw, unpasturized milk (my grandparents had a dairy ranch and sold milk to just about everyone in town). George and I drank raw milk when we lived in California, today I buy non-GMO milk at my local health food store.

Raw goats milk is full of the same antibodies that are in breastmilk. it is nutrient rich and a natural probiotic. Raw goats milk is similar to breast milk, it's easily digestible (20 minutes whereas pastuerized cows milk takes over 3 hours to digest).