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State Chapters => Arizona => Topic started by: HikerGuy83 on April 25, 2021, 11:29:20 pm
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Manchin is already coming under heavy attack.
The filibuster is what will prevent the state of D.C. and other such power grabs.
You may not be fond of Sinema, but she is very constrained in many ways.
I'd prefer a GOP senator.....but I'll take what I can get in this regard.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/manchin-pushes-back-against-democrats-calling-him-a-roadblock-says-he-will-not-be-part-of-blowing-up-this
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Sinema won't sign on as a consponsor of the D.C. statehood bill.
I am going to send her a note of thanks.
If the left could get away from the whackjobs and morons they have in there....we'd be much better off.
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I would speculate that reaching out to her and encouraging her to stand up against the left wing idiots like Schumer is going to pay better dividends that most other activities.
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I like this woman !!!
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/07/us/politics/kyrsten-sinema-minimum-wage-thumbs-down.html
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This article shows just how badly she is irritating the left.
Boy, they can't decapitate her fast enough.
https://jacobinmag.com/2021/03/kyrsten-sinema-thumbs-down-minimum-wage
They are upset at her thumbs down.
Lucky they didn't get the bird instead.
They've been dogging her like they own her since she showed up.
She is a accountable to the citizens of the state of AZ.
Who does the author think he is and why would he think we would care at all about his miserable flack POV ?
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Not fond of Sinema? Politically maybe, but she's got the chubby hot librarian look down pat!!!!!!
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Not fond of Sinema? Politically maybe, but she's got the chubby hot librarian look down pat!!!!!!
So you are say'n you think she is lean, mean and not too far in-between.
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:bkmk:
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Chubby or not, democratic or not.....she shoved this thing right up Chuck Schumers backside.
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Chubby or not, democratic or not.....she shoved this thing right up Chuck Schumers backside.
Don't count your chickens before they're hatched.
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Don't count your chickens before they're hatched.
As near as I can tell, on this issue, it already has.
Did you read that blistering article by the left wing twins in Jacobin ?
I don't extrapolate this to anything else.....but I am starting to see some kind of pattern.
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I don't extrapolate this to anything else.....but I am starting to see some kind of pattern.
OK, I'll bite. Enlighten us....
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OK, I'll bite. Enlighten us....
If he is thinking Sinema and Mauchin might switch parties, he needs an TBR offical drug test.
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If he is thinking Sinema and Mauchin might switch parties, he needs an TBR offical drug test.
Manchin has indicated he might leave the senate to run for governor.
At best, Sinema would go independent.
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OK, I'll bite. Enlighten us....
Sinema cold on D.C. statehood
Sinema against killing the fillebuster
Sinema against fed min wage
Sinema censured by her party
Assuming you are going to have a democratic senator from AZ, please tell me which of those morons in the senate you'd rather have than her.
I want someone from the GOP (but I'd probably take her over Mitt if they were running against each other).
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Sinema cold on D.C. statehood
Sinema against killing the fillebuster
Sinema against fed min wage
Sinema censured by her party
Assuming you are going to have a democratic senator from AZ, please tell me which of those morons in the senate you'd rather have than her.
I want someone from the GOP (but I'd probably take her over Mitt if they were running against each other).
Before she ran for the Senate, Sinema was my Representative for CD9 for 6 years. She was a rotten Rep, in lockstep 100% with her Regressive bosses. Since I am cursed with a good memory, I will always be very suspicious of her. I'll never vote for her, despite her "Hot chubby librarian" look.
You're pissing in the wind if you think she'll be anything but a grievous disappointment. But, I'm being urged by our party to snuggle up to her, and it ain't happening.
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I'll never vote for her, despite her "Hot chubby librarian" look.
Don't know. She taught @corbe everything he needed to know about the dewydecimal system.
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I deserve that @catfish1957
(https://i1.wp.com/www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/378354/RT6S2.jpg?fit=450%2C709&ssl=1)
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Before she ran for the Senate, Sinema was my Representative for CD9 for 6 years. She was a rotten Rep, in lockstep 100% with her Regressive bosses. Since I am cursed with a good memory, I will always be very suspicious of her. I'll never vote for her, despite her "Hot chubby librarian" look.
You're pissing in the wind if you think she'll be anything but a grievous disappointment. But, I'm being urged by our party to snuggle up to her, and it ain't happening.
Nice shoes !!!
I deserve that @catfish1957
(https://i1.wp.com/www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/378354/RT6S2.jpg?fit=450%2C709&ssl=1)
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Sinema Says She Wants to Be the 'Next John McCain' (?)
https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2021/06/21/god-help-us-sinema-says-she-wants-to-be-the-next-john-mccain-n1456088
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Let us not forget that these people are fundamentally Democrat. How many times has Manchin indicated he was with us only to vote with his party when the rubber hit the road? I fear that in the case of both Sinema and Manchin they are merely adopting a position to trade away for something they feel is more important. Whatever it might be, I can pretty much assure you that when all is said and done the filibuster will be gone, and West Virginia and Arizona will be the beneficiaries of spending money that the American people do not have.
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Let us not forget that these people are fundamentally Democrat. How many times has Manchin indicated he was with us only to vote with his party when the rubber hit the road? I fear that in the case of both Sinema and Manchin they are merely adopting a position to trade away for something they feel is more important. Whatever it might be, I can pretty much assure you that when all is said and done the filibuster will be gone, and West Virginia and Arizona will be the beneficiaries of spending money that the American people do not have.
I can't predict the future, but right now it seems that Sinema and Manchin are our best hope.
There are other senators who might also vote against it if the time comes.
We'll just have to wait and see.
Right now, she is irritating the hard line left wingers.
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Let us not forget that these people are fundamentally Democrat. How many times has Manchin indicated he was with us only to vote with his party when the rubber hit the road? I fear that in the case of both Sinema and Manchin they are merely adopting a position to trade away for something they feel is more important. Whatever it might be, I can pretty much assure you that when all is said and done the filibuster will be gone, and West Virginia and Arizona will be the beneficiaries of spending money that the American people do not have.
They are acting in their own interest, be that being re-elected, or keeping committee assignments, or whatever.
If anything, voters in their respective home districts should make it crystal clear to both Sinema and Manchin exactly what ‘acting in their own interests’, on the hierarchy of self interests, entails.
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AZ and WV will be rewarded handsomely for their holdout, not unlike Houston getting NASA because LBJ was a very powerful, corrupt Senate Majority Leader.
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They are acting in their own interest, be that being re-elected, or keeping committee assignments, or whatever.
If anything, voters in their respective home districts should make it crystal clear to both Sinema and Manchin exactly what ‘acting in their own interests’, on the hierarchy of self interests, entails.
I am sorry, but there is no evidence to support that.
There is no meter you can attach to them to determine why they do what they do.
They have both stated why they are doing it. Whether you believe it or not, unless you can produce anything to the contrary you are only speculating.
Cynicism in politics is pretty common.
I see that at work here.
Justified ?
Hard to tell.
For now, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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For now, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I only give the benefit of the doubt to potentially trustworthy people. Manchin and Sinema have proven themselves untrustworthy, so screw them. Before she was elected to the Senate, she was my Representative and she had ample opportunity to earn my trust, but all she did was lie to me.
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I only give the benefit of the doubt to potentially trustworthy people. Manchin and Sinema have proven themselves untrustworthy, so screw them. Before she was elected to the Senate, she was my Representative and she had ample opportunity to earn my trust, but all she did was lie to me.
1. That is your experience
2. That is not my experience
3. People can change
4. Obviously the left is pissed at both of them
As I said, time will tell.
BTW: Who are AZ conservatives lining up to challenge Kelly.
Please don't say McSally. My stomach is tender enough as it is.
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1. That is your experience
2. That is not my experience
3. People can change
4. Obviously the left is pissed at both of them
As I said, time will tell.
BTW: Who are AZ conservatives lining up to challenge Kelly.
Please don't say McSally. My stomach is tender enough as it is.
NO. No McSally.
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Manchin has indicated he might leave the senate to run for governor.
At best, Sinema would go independent.
Manchin has already been there and done that.
He has a much better gig now as he gets all sorts of federal money going to his state, and his wife has a cushy federal job.
He supports Schumer 99.99% of the time, so he is a scumbag.
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Manchin has already been there and done that.
He has a much better gig now as he gets all sorts of federal money going to his state, and his wife has a cushy federal job.
He supports Schumer 99.99% of the time, so he is a scumbag.
In 2019, he signaled he would.
Which had the dems in a tizzy because he would be replaced by a republican (yay !!!).
Then he changed his mind....wanted to help make congress work.
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In 2019, he signaled he would.
Which had the dems in a tizzy because he would be replaced by a republican (yay !!!).
Then he changed his mind....wanted to help make congress work...
...for Manchen.
:mauslaff:
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...for Manchen.
:mauslaff:
He's a democrat.
I am not sure what you are expecting.
Can you cynics at lease admit he isn't Chuch Schumer ?
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I am sorry, but there is no evidence to support that.
There is no meter you can attach to them to determine why they do what they do.
They have both stated why they are doing it. Whether you believe it or not, unless you can produce anything to the contrary you are only speculating.
Cynicism in politics is pretty common.
I see that at work here.
Justified ?
Hard to tell.
For now, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
That's right. Hail fellow, well met.
Strange bedfellows exist. Be grateful for the circumstance that provides an alignment, however fleeting and narrow.
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He's a democrat.
I am not sure what you are expecting.
Can you cynics at lease admit he isn't Chuch Schumer ?
What would be the point in it? He votes with Chuck consistently.
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That's right. Hail fellow, well met.
Strange bedfellows exist. Be grateful for the circumstance that provides an alignment, however fleeting and narrow.
Fleeting, narrow and an illusion. Not much good can come of it.
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Fleeting, narrow and an illusion. Not much good can come of it.
Other than retaining the filibuster and stuff like that, fairly important to the party out of power. I don't have to agree with them on ANYTHING else, but if they stand in that defense against terrible pressure, credit is due.
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Other than retaining the filibuster and stuff like that, fairly important to the party out of power. I don't have to agree with them on ANYTHING else, but if they stand in that defense against terrible pressure, credit is due.
Oh, I agree with that, but that hasn't happened yet, so let's see. Let's give Manchen the same benefit of the doubt you gave Donald Trump, until he shanks the ball into the infield.
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Oh, I agree with that, but that hasn't happened yet, so let's see. Let's give Manchen the same benefit of the doubt you gave Donald Trump, until he shanks the ball into the infield.
The difference being of course, that Manchin is not declared the most 'conservety conservative evah' and is merely an ally of convenience.
You will find I ally more closely than most with Libertarians too - They are not Conservatives per se, but then, they never claimed to be. In that I am free to find common ground and move forward, and I am thus inclined.
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Funny how Democrats wanted to keep the filibuster through the first two-thirds of the 20th century when Republicans were pushing civil rights legislation guaranteeing equality for African-Americans.
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The difference being of course, that Manchin is not declared the most 'conservety conservative evah' and is merely an ally of convenience.
You will find I ally more closely than most with Libertarians too - They are not Conservatives per se, but then, they never claimed to be. In that I am free to find common ground and move forward, and I am thus inclined.
I think I get it now. Since Manchen is a Democrat, we expect him to be a liar and a cheat, and should be happy when he performs it with less zeal than we've come to expect from the likes of AOC and her squad.
No Sale.
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I think I get it now. Since Manchen is a Democrat, we expect him to be a liar and a cheat, and should be happy when he performs it with less zeal than we've come to expect from the likes of AOC and her squad.
No Sale.
Then your preference would be the filibuster removed, and a small majority Democrat lead running roughshod through the senate like they had 2/3rds... Because to date, what stands in the way of that are two Democrat senators.
I don't have to agree with them on nothing else, But I would have to be an idiot not to credit them in this and take the win. In fact, I would like to have more Democrats to agree with more often - Me and Zell Miller had a lot in common... Even Lieberman and I could find common ground. To encourage a more centrist wing of the Democrat party is a bane to liberals.
So when there is agreement, I think it should be noted. Even if it is phony. Because the popular acclaim found in doing the right thing encourages more of the same.
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Personally, I don't have a problem with reducing the filibuster to 55 votes. Throughout our history, it has been utilized almost exclusively by Democrats. When Republicans hold over 40 seats, they already give Democrats everything they want 95% of the time. Just look at what they handed Obama without a fight for eight years.
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Then your preference would be the filibuster removed, and a small majority Democrat lead running roughshod through the senate like they had 2/3rds... Because to date, what stands in the way of that are two Democrat senators.
I don't have to agree with them on nothing else, But I would have to be an idiot not to credit them in this and take the win. In fact, I would like to have more Democrats to agree with more often - Me and Zell Miller had a lot in common... Even Lieberman and I could find common ground. To encourage a more centrist wing of the Democrat party is a bane to liberals.
So when there is agreement, I think it should be noted. Even if it is phony. Because the popular acclaim found in doing the right thing encourages more of the same.
Sorry, I clean forgot to list my preference. Surely you aren't making a straw man and calling me liberal?
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Sorry, I clean forgot to list my preference. Surely you aren't making a straw man and calling me liberal?
pshaw.
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pshaw.
LOL! :beer:
(Just pulling your lower extremity.)
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Then your preference would be the filibuster removed, and a small majority Democrat lead running roughshod through the senate like they had 2/3rds...
This has already been the case 95% of the time for the last half century.
If we can't get Republicans to block a reconciliation bill (which takes only 1 Senator to do), when how do we expect 41 of them to unite to block a regular bill?
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This has already been the case 95% of the time for the last half century.
If we can't get Republicans to block a reconciliation bill (which takes only 1 Senator to do), when how do we expect 41 of them to unite to block a regular bill?
That's right enough, and why I know I am right in stating that liberalism is not winning on merit, but is winning because it has no opposition. If the Republican electorate will not demand enforcement of their principle things by their representatives, there is nothing more that can be done.
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What would be the point in it? He votes with Chuck consistently.
Apparently not on the fillibuster issue.
I could be wrong.....though.
If I am, please let me know.
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Other than retaining the filibuster and stuff like that, fairly important to the party out of power. I don't have to agree with them on ANYTHING else, but if they stand in that defense against terrible pressure, credit is due.
Wow....
I didn't think I'd see that here.
Thank you.
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Oh, I agree with that, but that hasn't happened yet, so let's see. Let's give Manchen the same benefit of the doubt you gave Donald Trump, until he shanks the ball into the infield.
Donald Trump recieved the benefit of the doubt from 71,000,000 people (of which I was one).
Pretty impressive given the headwinds he faced.
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Personally, I don't have a problem with reducing the filibuster to 55 votes. Throughout our history, it has been utilized almost exclusively by Democrats. When Republicans hold over 40 seats, they already give Democrats everything they want 95% of the time. Just look at what they handed Obama without a fight for eight years.
Correct.
The GOP at the federal level is a sham.
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Funny how Democrats wanted to keep the filibuster through the first two-thirds of the 20th century when Republicans were pushing civil rights legislation guaranteeing equality for African-Americans.
Democrats are hypocritical ?
Color me shocked.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/21/kyrsten-sinema-filibuster-for-the-people-act/
I like her.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/21/kyrsten-sinema-filibuster-for-the-people-act/
I like her.
She's smarter than virtually all other Rats in the Senate. She understands clearly that the Democrats will not always have a majority, and the Republicans will punish the Dems when they get back in power when they pull this sort of crap. It's how the world works, and not even Harry Reid understood this simple, and blindingly obvious fact.
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She's smarter than virtually all other Rats in the Senate.
That's not saying much.
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That's not saying much.
Well, yeah. If she were really smart she'd be a Republican. :smokin:
But understanding the simple phrase "What goes around, comes around" is a good step. A journey of 1,000 miles begins with a single step.
(I'm a regular bromide machine! The older, the better...)
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It's how the world works, and not even Harry Reid understood this simple, and blindingly obvious fact.
I saw what you did there and I approve of it!
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— HER GOP CHARM OFFENSIVE: Sinema doesn’t really fit in with Democrats. She’s been known to skip party lunches and votes and even missed VP KAMALA HARRIS’ dinner with female senators this week. (Her staff said it was because Sinema broke her foot.) All the while she’s been on a charm offensive with Republicans, many of whom adore her. They say they can trust her, that she keeps her word.
“I think Sen. Sinema is comfortable with who she is,” Sen. DEB FISCHER (R-Neb.) told Playbook. The two senators have become close friends and regularly have dinner together, most recently two weeks ago at Charlie Palmer with Sens. SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO (R-W.Va.) and CYNTHIA LUMMIS (R-Wyo.).
“She is certainly willing to step in in a needed way to bring people together, and she does go her own way. I would say she’s probably similar to McCain in that way. They’re willing to take the slings and arrows from their own side when they’re trying to accomplish something.”
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/06/18/i-want-to-be-the-next-john-mccain-493299
On the one hand it is good she'll work with the GOP.
On the other.....I would hate to see another McStain show up.
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They are still coming after Sinema.
The left that is.
Great that Arizona has a Maverick who telling her own party to shove off.
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/10/09/kyrsten-sinema-sets-the-build-back-better-agenda-on-fire-and-infuriates-the-left-n454195
She wants to pull 100 million from the bills that have to do with "green" stuff.
If the social media response is any indication, Sinema’s move is infuriating the left. Again, climate change is a religious institution for these people. They truly believe they are the saviors of the world and just need your money to deliver redemption. You can expect some very hot takes on the Sunday shows tomorrow.
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I saw what you did there and I approve of it!
Cleanface Reid never was very Bowflexible.
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Not sure why Manchin or Sinema would cross over to the GOP when 11 GOP Senators voted Schumer's way on the debt ceiling. What does the GOP stand for?
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Not sure why Manchin or Sinema would cross over to the GOP when 11 GOP Senators voted Schumer's way on the debt ceiling. What does the GOP stand for?
More than anything else? Self Preservation
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/21/politics/sinema-veterans-quit-advisory-board/index.html
Five military veterans on Sen. Kyrsten Sinema's advisory board resigned from their roles this week, slamming the Arizona Democrat as one of the "principal obstacles to progress."
In a letter to Sinema, the veterans expressed frustration with her refusal to change the Senate filibuster to protect voting rights, failure to support prescription drug negotiations, her opposition to parts of the Democrats' sweeping budget reconciliation package that make up President Joe Biden's agenda and criticized her for not voting on the January 6 commission.
"You have become one of the principal obstacles to progress, answering to big donors rather than your own people," the veterans wrote. "We shouldn't have to buy representation from you, and your failure to stand by your people and see their urgent needs is alarming."
"We do not know who has your ear, but it clearly isn't us or your constituents," they added.
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She's going to have to go indy.
She's holding the line that our bleep GOP leadership has lost it's ability to do.