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Title: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 27, 2020, 10:43:42 pm
I have been watching Krysten Sinema as much as I can.

She's a democrat.  I get that. 

But it sounded like she was pretty moderate. 

More than that it has sounded like she is independent.

Her statement on voting no:

"It is the duty of all federal judges to consistently apply the Constitution and laws to protect the fundamental rights of all Americans," Sinema said in a statement posted to Twitter on Sunday. "After watching the Senate Judiciary Committee confirmation hearings, reading Judge Barrett's legal opinions and scholarly writings, and speaking with her directly, I am concerned bout Judge Barrett's inconsistent views on legal precedent, and how those inconsistencies impact her obligation to interpret and uphold the rule of law."

was very disappointing.

I would be curious to know how she feel abouts:

Kagan

Sotomeyer

Ginsburg (posthumously)

All three of whom voted in lock step for any ruling that favored left wing policy.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Free Vulcan on October 27, 2020, 10:47:06 pm
Well, to be blunt, unless they break out of their caucus, they are pretty much useless, despite whatever images of moderation they seem to project.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: skeeter on October 27, 2020, 10:51:23 pm
As whomever wrote the Book of Ecclesiastes might say - there isn't an honest, independent democrat with integrity in the party, not one.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 27, 2020, 10:53:07 pm
I expected nothing better from "the first openly bi-sexual female member of Congress."  I lifted that from her website when she was a congress-whatever.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 27, 2020, 10:55:03 pm
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sen-kyrsten-sinema-to-vote-no-on-judge-amy-coney-barrett-confirmation/ar-BB1anBUw?ocid=hplocalnews (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sen-kyrsten-sinema-to-vote-no-on-judge-amy-coney-barrett-confirmation/ar-BB1anBUw?ocid=hplocalnews)

Here, she comes out against court packing.  I appreciated that.

I hope the GOP is working to find a good candidate to run against her (I know it is four years out).

But she is going to be a tough one to beat. 

In the age of extremism, she will be well entrenched if she really does continue to behave like a moderate.  During her time in the house she did show moderation and refused to get involved in causes in a confrontational way. 

She's not rich and does not seem intent on getting rich either.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Fishrrman on October 27, 2020, 11:02:14 pm
Hiker wrote:
"She's a democrat.  I get that. 
But it sounded like she was pretty moderate."


OK, son, take off the hiking shoes and get yerself educated.
She IS NOT "a democrat".
She IS a "democrat-communist". With all that implies.

They are ALL democrat-communists now.
To vote for a "democrat" is to vote for communism.
DON'T DO IT !!!

OK.
Lesson over.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 27, 2020, 11:03:58 pm
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sen-kyrsten-sinema-to-vote-no-on-judge-amy-coney-barrett-confirmation/ar-BB1anBUw?ocid=hplocalnews (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sen-kyrsten-sinema-to-vote-no-on-judge-amy-coney-barrett-confirmation/ar-BB1anBUw?ocid=hplocalnews)

Here, she comes out against court packing.  I appreciated that.

I hope the GOP is working to find a good candidate to run against her (I know it is four years out).

But she is going to be a tough one to beat. 

In the age of extremism, she will be well entrenched if she really does behave like a moderate.

She's lying about court packing.  She will do whatever the Rat leadership tells her to do.  Just look back a few hours when she voted against Amy Barrett.  That was very much against what her constituents wanted, yet here we are.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 27, 2020, 11:51:53 pm
I expected nothing better from "the first openly bi-sexual female member of Congress."  I lifted that from her website when she was a congress-whatever.

Do we really need to bring that into the discussion ?

She is a democrat....but appears moderate. 

I would prefer a republican......but I'll take her over a moron like Chuck Schumer.

I hope this does not get me disqualified from the board, but I have often said I would vote for a:

1. Black
2. Mulim
3. Transgdered
4. Female
5. That was homosexual

IF (Big IF) she she truly supported conservative principles. 


Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 27, 2020, 11:55:37 pm
Do we really need to bring that into the discussion ?

She is a democrat....but appears moderate. 

I would prefer a republican......but I'll take her over a moron like Chuck Schumer.

I hope this does not get me disqualified from the board, but I have often said I would vote for a:

1. Black
2. Mulim
3. Transgdered
4. Female
5. That was homosexual

IF (Big IF) she she truly supported conservative principles.

She's been voting in lockstep with Schumer ever since the State Party came one vote short of censuring her for voting with Republicans 10% of the time.  Is that OK to "bring into it?"

For a few terms before he ran for the Senate she was my Congressrat, so I know what I'm talking about.  I've been watching her closely for about 10 years now, since she was a state legislature pup.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 27, 2020, 11:56:11 pm
Hiker wrote:
"She's a democrat.  I get that. 
But it sounded like she was pretty moderate."


OK, son, take off the hiking shoes and get yerself educated.
She IS NOT "a democrat".
She IS a "democrat-communist". With all that implies.

They are ALL democrat-communists now.
To vote for a "democrat" is to vote for communism.
DON'T DO IT !!!

OK.
Lesson over.

My hope is that we can have a discussion.....

I don't deal in absolutes like that.

I am a conservative.

I currently live in a district where we are dealing with a communist in democrats clothing:

https://www.google.com/search?q=torres+small&rlz=1C1GCEB_enCA882CA882&oq=Torres+Small&aqs=chrome.0.0i355i433i457j46i433j0l6.4301j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=torres+small&rlz=1C1GCEB_enCA882CA882&oq=Torres+Small&aqs=chrome.0.0i355i433i457j46i433j0l6.4301j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)

I am aware that the hard left are not to be trusted.

I don't see Senator Sinema in the same light.  I have not studied her that much.....but right now....I don't see it.



Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 27, 2020, 11:57:55 pm
She's lying about court packing.  She will do whatever the Rat leadership tells her to do.  Just look back a few hours when she voted against Amy Barrett.  That was very much against what her constituents wanted, yet here we are.

I think that was the point of the OP.

I was disappointed at her vote.

I expected better of her.

I enjoyed the tweet:

Tonight a black man swore in a woman to serve on the Supreme Court.

And the only people complaining about it were democrats.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: skeeter on October 28, 2020, 12:02:01 am
Do we really need to bring that into the discussion ?

She is a democrat....but appears moderate. 

I would prefer a republican......but I'll take her over a moron like Chuck Schumer.

I hope this does not get me disqualified from the board, but I have often said I would vote for a:

1. Black
2. Mulim
3. Transgdered
4. Female
5. That was homosexual

IF (Big IF) she she truly supported conservative principles.

C'mon. We all feel the same way - its not what they are but what they believe thats important.

Personally though I do have a problem with someone who brands themselves anything other than an American equal to me. It usually means they are inclined to fall for the left's pigeon-holing of groups for political effect.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 28, 2020, 12:03:25 am
She's been voting in lockstep with Schumer ever since the State Party came one vote short of censuring her for voting with Republicans 10% of the time.  Is that OK to "bring into it?"

For a few terms before he ran for the Senate she was my Congressrat, so I know what I'm talking about.  I've been watching her closely for about 10 years now, since she was a state legislature pup.

Yes, that is exactly what we should be discussing.

You know more than me, but I did read that she voted with Trump about 50% of the time.

If that drew the ire of the left wingers (not liberals....huge difference) that is to be expected.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 28, 2020, 12:06:06 am
This was something else I picked up....don't know if she actually did:

As the August primary approaches, Sinema has pointedly demonstrated that independence in the clearest terms of any red-state Democrat this cycle: by announcing that she intends to vote against Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) as the party’minority leader should she be elected.

That quote came from the Daily Beast.....where the headline was:

Democrats’ Top Senate Candidate Kyrsten Sinema Basically Running as ‘Independent’ in Arizona
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 28, 2020, 12:06:22 am
I think that was the point of the OP.

I was disappointed at her vote.

I expected better of her.

I enjoyed the tweet:

Tonight a black man swore in a woman to serve on the Supreme Court.

And the only people complaining about it were democrats.

Well, I never thought for a nanosecond that she would vote for Barrett.  Not even a femtosecond.

As for the complaining...I'm sure there's a resolution being drawn up on the subject at the UN. 
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 28, 2020, 12:09:04 am
This was something else I picked up....don't know if she actually did:

As the August primary approaches, Sinema has pointedly demonstrated that independence in the clearest terms of any red-state Democrat this cycle: by announcing that she intends to vote against Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) as the party’minority leader should she be elected.

That quote came from the Daily Beast.....where the headline was:

Democrats’ Top Senate Candidate Kyrsten Sinema Basically Running as ‘Independent’ in Arizona

Do you really think that she would do that?  How many Representatives promised to the skies they would never vote for Pelosi for Speaker, and then voted for Pelosi for Speaker?

Nope.  She is not an independent actor as far as I could ever see, so her vote on Barrett is not surprising in the least.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 28, 2020, 12:11:07 am
C'mon. We all feel the same way - its not what they are but what they believe thats important.

Personally though I do have a problem with someone who brands themselves anything other than an American equal to me. It usually means they are inclined to fall for the left's pigeon-holing of groups for political effect.

I am a little unclear on the meaning of your post.

I have seen her as independent.

She was photographed clapping for Trump during a speech.

Look on each side of her...especially on her left (the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  who is running for VP....ugh).

I give her credit for being willing to go out on her own.

If she is being threatened, then maybe the GOP should reach out to her.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2020/02/05/arizona-sen-kyrsten-sinema-donald-trump-state-of-the-union/4665386002/ (https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2020/02/05/arizona-sen-kyrsten-sinema-donald-trump-state-of-the-union/4665386002/)
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: skeeter on October 28, 2020, 12:13:40 am
I am a little unclear on the meaning of your post.

I have seen her as independent.

She was photographed clapping for Trump during a speech.

Look on each side of her...especially on her left (the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  who is running for VP....ugh).

I give her credit for being willing to go out on her own.

If she is being threatened, then maybe the GOP should reach out to her.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2020/02/05/arizona-sen-kyrsten-sinema-donald-trump-state-of-the-union/4665386002/ (https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2020/02/05/arizona-sen-kyrsten-sinema-donald-trump-state-of-the-union/4665386002/)
I'm referring to your comment about perhaps being tossed off the board for expressing your tolerance. It reeks of the insulting media stereotype of conservatives.

Apologies in advance if I misunderstood.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 28, 2020, 12:15:29 am
Do you really think that she would do that?  How many Representatives promised to the skies they would never vote for Pelosi for Speaker, and then voted for Pelosi for Speaker?

Nope.  She is not an independent actor as far as I could ever see, so her vote on Barrett is not surprising in the least.  :shrug:

She did not keep her promise...but I am not sure who she would have voted for.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2018/11/14/did-kyrsten-sinema-break-promise-not-support-chuck-schumer-senate-minority-leader/2003049002/ (https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2018/11/14/did-kyrsten-sinema-break-promise-not-support-chuck-schumer-senate-minority-leader/2003049002/)
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 28, 2020, 12:19:28 am
I'm referring to your comment about perhaps being tossed off the board for expressing your tolerance. It reeks of the insulting media stereotype of conservatives.

Apologies in advance if I misunderstood.

O.K.

Thanks.

Boards have different "standards". 

You learn as you go. 

Just for the record, I have much much more respect for conservatives as being tolerant.  I have not read of her lately, but Ann Coulter always used to chide the left....because once they talked to conservatives they found them to be real people.  I love a lot of Ann Coulters wit !!!

The left is for sure, tolerant until you disagree with them.  They are the authors of the cancel culture which pisses me off to no end.

The current garbage (and I really want to use other words) being pulled by Twitter and Facebook have me pretty angry.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 28, 2020, 12:21:07 am
Well, I never thought for a nanosecond that she would vote for Barrett.  Not even a femtosecond.

As for the complaining...I'm sure there's a resolution being drawn up on the subject at the UN. 

I just liked the way it pointed out the deep irony of the situation and exposed the incredible hypocricy of the left.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 28, 2020, 12:22:52 am
C'mon. We all feel the same way - its not what they are but what they believe thats important.

Personally though I do have a problem with someone who brands themselves anything other than an American equal to me. It usually means they are inclined to fall for the left's pigeon-holing of groups for political effect.

Just catching up here...

She's demonstrated she's perfectly happy to crawl into the pocket of one militant pressure group, so it makes me wonder just how many pockets are we talking about here?
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: skeeter on October 28, 2020, 12:23:59 am
O.K.

Thanks.

Boards have different "standards". 

You learn as you go. 

Just for the record, I have much much more respect for conservatives as being tolerant.  I have not read of her lately, but Ann Coulter always used to chide the left....because once they talked to conservatives they found them to be real people.  I love a lot of Ann Coulters wit !!!

The left is for sure, tolerant until you disagree with them.  They are the authors of the cancel culture which pisses me off to no end.

The current garbage (and I really want to use other words) being pulled by Twitter and Facebook have me pretty angry.
The left's "tolerance" lasts as far as it services their agenda. Given the right circumstances a great many of them are among the most bigoted people you'll ever want to meet.

Thanks for your response.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 28, 2020, 12:28:40 am
Just catching up here...

She's demonstrated she's perfectly happy to crawl into the pocket of one militant pressure group, so it makes me wonder just how many pockets are we talking about here?

I am a dummy.

What pressure group are you talking about ?
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 28, 2020, 12:29:53 am
I just liked the way it pointed out the deep irony of the situation and exposed the incredible hypocricy of the left.

Indeed it does!  Hypocrisy on the left is a bit of a target-rich environment....individual perfidies are easy to lose in the fratricide.

To be clear about something...I have no problem with "self descried bi-sexual" Members of Congress.  My problem with that has been her open embrace of one of the most destructive pressure groups in modern history, the LGBT bunch.  (Second only to the abortion industry.)  And to be honest about something else...there is nothing you have written remotely likely to get you concern from our Moderators.  We're not that way on TBR.   happy77
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 28, 2020, 12:30:45 am
I am a dummy.

What pressure group are you talking about ?

LGBT, and Planned Parenthood.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: skeeter on October 28, 2020, 12:32:46 am
Just catching up here...

She's demonstrated she's perfectly happy to crawl into the pocket of one militant pressure group, so it makes me wonder just how many pockets are we talking about here?

I won't ever trust a politician who sells a non-relevant quality they may possess as a reason for your vote.

When is your rally? You sonuvagun I'm envious.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 28, 2020, 12:47:55 am
I won't ever trust a politician who sells a non-relevant quality they may possess as a reason for your vote.

When is your rally? You sonuvagun I'm envious.

Tomorrow at Noon.  "Gate" opens at 9.  I have no idea what I'm going to encounter there because people are coming from as far away as Vegas.  They said they're expecting 15,000 and I don't know if I can get anywhere close to the action.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: skeeter on October 28, 2020, 12:53:28 am
Tomorrow at Noon.  "Gate" opens at 9.  I have no idea what I'm going to encounter there because people are coming from as far away as Vegas.  They said they're expecting 15,000 and I don't know if I can get anywhere close to the action.

I'll look for you doing the YMCA dance.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 28, 2020, 01:26:55 am
I'll look for you doing the YMCA dance.

We'll be with the old fogies in the back, in chairs... 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 28, 2020, 02:52:18 am
I won't ever trust a politician who sells a non-relevant quality they may possess as a reason for your vote.

When is your rally? You sonuvagun I'm envious.

I would agree.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 28, 2020, 02:52:58 am
We'll be with the old fogies in the back, in chairs... 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo 333cleo

Enjoy !!!

We are just one week away.

I want another Young Turks Meltdown !!!!
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: LegalAmerican on October 28, 2020, 03:00:00 am
As whomever wrote the Book of Ecclesiastes might say - there isn't an honest, independent democrat with integrity in the party, not one.

It does seem be the party of demon-rats.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: catfish1957 on October 28, 2020, 03:09:53 am
Well, to be blunt, unless they break out of their caucus, they are pretty much useless, despite whatever images of moderation they seem to project.

The lady is much better with the volume down to zero. 
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 29, 2020, 01:24:30 am
This thread is about Sinema's lack of support for Barrett.

If anyone should have supported her, it should have been easy for her to support this.

My guess is that she would have done so....but anymore she risked the wrath of that idiot Chuck Schumer.

That is was really disappoints me. 

Would McConnell terrorize a member of the GOP for the same thing ?

Schumer knew she would be confirmed.  Showing support would help America think a little better about them.

I keep asking people why we want to put this crew in charge of our health care !!!!!

Nooooooooooooo.

Anyway, just a question and thought.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: roamer_1 on October 29, 2020, 01:32:59 am
Would McConnell terrorize a member of the GOP for the same thing ?


Undoubtedly, yes he would. Just look what he did to Roy Moore. And others...
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: PeteS in CA on October 29, 2020, 01:16:17 pm
Quote
... I am concerned bout Judge Barrett's inconsistent views on legal precedent, and how those inconsistencies impact her obligation to interpret and uphold the rule of law."

This statement shows Sinema didn't think through what she said. If stare decisis is absolute then Plessy v. Ferguson should still be the law of the land. A good judge should know that sometimes even the Supreme Court gets it wrong and that stare decisis is sometimes wrong - hopefully very rarely - and should be overturned.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: PeteS in CA on October 29, 2020, 01:27:15 pm
...
I hope this does not get me disqualified from the board, but I have often said I would vote for a:

1. Black
2. Mulim
3. Transgdered
4. Female
5. That was homosexual

IF (Big IF) she she truly supported conservative principles.

@HikerGuy83, TBR isn't Democratic Underground. You won't get banned if you aren't lockstep with some party line. Nor is TBR like some discussion sites where a self-appointed orthodoxy-checker committee swarm-attacks someone they think is too different.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: sneakypete on October 29, 2020, 01:33:19 pm
Do we really need to bring that into the discussion ?

She is a democrat....but appears moderate. 

I would prefer a republican......but I'll take her over a moron like Chuck Schumer.

I hope this does not get me disqualified from the board, but I have often said I would vote for a:

1. Black
2. Mulim
3. Transgdered
4. Female
5. That was homosexual

IF (Big IF) she she truly supported conservative principles.

@HikerGuy83

I have to disagree with you on Shumer. There is no doubt he is pure evil,but "a moron" is something he isn't. He may be one of the sharpest minds in DC.

Not that it matters because he is staying in congress for as long as he wants to stay in congress. He OWNS that seat.

Now,if you want to talk stoopid,there is always Schiff and Sheila Jackson Lee.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: sneakypete on October 29, 2020, 01:39:41 pm
I am a little unclear on the meaning of your post.

I have seen her as independent.

She was photographed clapping for Trump during a speech.

Look on each side of her...especially on her left (the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  who is running for VP....ugh).

I give her credit for being willing to go out on her own.

If she is being threatened, then maybe the GOP should reach out to her.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2020/02/05/arizona-sen-kyrsten-sinema-donald-trump-state-of-the-union/4665386002/ (https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2020/02/05/arizona-sen-kyrsten-sinema-donald-trump-state-of-the-union/4665386002/)

@HikerGuy83

NO,NO,A GAZILLION TIMES NO! Have you not learned a single damn thing  since the Republicans took over control of congress,and then allowed any and all Dims that wanted to switch to "R" in,and gave them important committee assignments to reward them?

Before the dust settled,Newt was booted out of office on bullshit charges,and the Republican Party took a sharp hard left turn.

Let her stand in a bread line with all the other parasites.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: sneakypete on October 29, 2020, 01:43:05 pm
LGBT, and Planned Parenthood.

@Cyber Liberty

To be fair,ALL lobbies are pressure groups. It all depends on your individual POV if they are good or bad.

For example,for the left there is NO lobby group more evil than the NRA.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Free Vulcan on October 29, 2020, 01:48:06 pm
Some serious political naivete here. I don't care how much they say they are moderate, in the end they caucus with their party.

On some votes the party may allow them to vote opposite for political cover.

But on the important stuff you fall in line.

And if you don't you pay the price.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 29, 2020, 03:56:09 pm
@Cyber Liberty

To be fair,ALL lobbies are pressure groups. It all depends on your individual POV if they are good or bad.

For example,for the left there is NO lobby group more evil than the NRA.

Would you agree the LGBT and PP movements are a tad more destructive to the nation than the NRA?  I think that was the point I was making.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 29, 2020, 07:30:59 pm
Some serious political naivete here. I don't care how much they say they are moderate, in the end they caucus with their party.

On some votes the party may allow them to vote opposite for political cover.

But on the important stuff you fall in line.

And if you don't you pay the price.

Hence, the title of this thread. 
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 29, 2020, 07:33:03 pm
@HikerGuy83

I have to disagree with you on Shumer. There is no doubt he is pure evil,but "a moron" is something he isn't. He may be one of the sharpest minds in DC.

Not that it matters because he is staying in congress for as long as he wants to stay in congress. He OWNS that seat.

Now,if you want to talk stoopid,there is always Schiff and Sheila Jackson Lee.

Moron or evil.....or both ?

Regardless, he is an embarrassment to the senate and to the U.S.

Schiff....can't type anything that does not go against my self imposed swearing ban.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: sneakypete on October 29, 2020, 11:44:23 pm
Would you agree the LGBT and PP movements are a tad more destructive to the nation than the NRA?

@Cyber Liberty

Trick question?

 
Quote
I think that was the point I was making.

I wasn't making an argument,but stating an observation.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 29, 2020, 11:54:35 pm
I wasn't making an argument,but stating an observation.

@sneakypete

So did I.  To wit:  "The LGBTQ and Pro-Choice Movements have been the most destructive pressure groups."

Sinema was into thise groups, up to her armpits.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on December 05, 2020, 04:21:39 am
So I went to Sinema's (I misspelled her name in the OP) and sent her a note telling her I was disappointed. 

I also did some digging on the net with respect to articles on Barrett.

I look forward to doing a little more learning.

Do any of you have recommendations on books for the layman on the constitution ?
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on December 05, 2020, 04:46:46 am
I won't ever trust a politician who sells a non-relevant quality they may possess as a reason for your vote.

When is your rally? You sonuvagun I'm envious.

Can you provide a link to what you are describing. 

I think you were pointing at her LGBT statements.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 05, 2020, 02:49:43 pm
Can you provide a link to what you are describing. 

I think you were pointing at her LGBT statements.

Re:  She's big on LGBT because she's a "B":

Kyrsten Sinema makes history as first bisexual member of U.S. Senate

Nov. 13, 2018, 12:41 PM MST
By Tim Fitzsimons

Quote
Nearly one week after Election Day, Democratic Rep. Kyrsten Sinema was declared the apparent winner of Arizona’s nail-biter of a Senate race. In addition to a win for Democrats, Sinema’s hard-fought victory also adds to the spoils of the so-called rainbow wave that ushered in a record number of LGBTQ political candidates this year.

Sinema’s high-profile win is particularly historic. She is the first out bisexual person ever elected to the U.S. Senate and only the second openly LGBTQ person, behind Sen. Tammy Baldwin, D-Wisc., who is a lesbian. Sinema is also the Grand Canyon State’s first female senator and its first Democratic senator since 1995.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/kyrsten-sinema-makes-history-first-bisexual-member-u-s-senate-n935816 (https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/kyrsten-sinema-makes-history-first-bisexual-member-u-s-senate-n935816)
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 06, 2020, 07:23:11 am
That admits it... :shrug:
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 06, 2020, 03:01:43 pm
That admits it... :shrug:

Back when she was running for the House (my district) she boasted about it on the home page of her campaign website.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on December 06, 2020, 11:25:54 pm
Back when she was running for the House (my district) she boasted about it on the home page of her campaign website.

So, this raises the question or issue I have when it comes to discussing legislators.

I get that she may have touted this, but I would be curious to know if she has been pushing legislation or supporting it...or fighting opposing..... that is focused on this.

I worry that we don't watchdog these people enough to know what they are doing.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 06, 2020, 11:40:27 pm
So, this raises the question or issue I have when it comes to discussing legislators.

I get that she may have touted this, but I would be curious to know if she has been pushing legislation or supporting it...or fighting opposing..... that is focused on this.

I worry that we don't watchdog these people enough to know what they are doing.

At the time of the election, there was no Senatorial record, just what she promised on her campaign page.  You may be asking the impossible.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on December 07, 2020, 12:48:41 am
At the time of the election, there was no Senatorial record, just what she promised on her campaign page.  You may be asking the impossible.

I realize that.

However, she did serve as a member of the House.

More to the point, the AZ GOP should be highliting their activity with critique (both GOP and Democrat federal legislators).
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 01, 2021, 12:03:44 am
Sinema is making a lot of headlines these days.

Here is David Marcus' take.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/democrat-kyrsten-sinema-generation-x-david-marcus

One exchange with a reporter on Wednesday certified Sinema’s Gen X bona fides. When a reporter suggested House Democrats didn’t "know where you are" she said, "I’m in the Senate."

The reporter pressed, "There are progressives in the senate that are also frustrated they don’t know where you are." Senator Gen X replied, "I’m clearly right in front of the elevator."

Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 03, 2021, 12:21:51 pm
Here is Maureen Dowd whining about Sinema:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/02/opinion/kyrsten-sinema-congress.html

Anyone can get under Dowd's skin.....I am a fan.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: catfish1957 on October 03, 2021, 01:20:29 pm
Here is Maureen Dowd whining about Sinema:


Anyone can get under Dowd's skin.....I am a fan.

(https://i0.wp.com/allcelebpics.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/catherine-zeta-jones001.jpg)
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: EdinVA on October 03, 2021, 01:43:58 pm
Sorry, I don't vote for activists nor badge of honor wavers.....
While I respect fellow veterans, that status does not qualify them for a vote of confidence in national decision making.
Same holds true with ANY candidate that waves rainbow/blm/sjw/et al flags... Not buying...
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 03, 2021, 02:27:59 pm
(https://i0.wp.com/allcelebpics.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/catherine-zeta-jones001.jpg)

The old rule still applies!
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 03, 2021, 02:29:46 pm
Here is Maureen Dowd whining about Sinema:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/02/opinion/kyrsten-sinema-congress.html

Anyone can get under Dowd's skin.....I am a fan.

Arrgh.  Paywall.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 03, 2021, 04:02:37 pm
Arrgh.  Paywall.

Here is the first part (I must not have used up my freebees....)

WASHINGTON — Just like the original Sphinx, the Phoenix Sphinx is blocking the way until those who would move ahead solve her riddle:

What does Kyrsten Sinema want? And why doesn’t she stick around to explain it?

Somehow, we have gotten ourselves in a perverse situation where Sinema and Joe Manchin rule the world, and it’s confounding that these two people have this much sway. As Hemingway wondered in “The Snows of Kilimanjaro,” what are those leopards doing at this altitude?

Sinema and Manchin are now directing what Joe Biden gets to do and deciding how his presidency will be defined. Some Democrats even worry that the recalcitrant pair could be helping Donald Trump vault back into the White House.

The duo has created such havoc on the Hill — with the fate of the whole country riding on what mood they’re in — that congressional reporters have come up with Bennifer-style nicknames for them, including Manchinema and Sinemanch.

Democrats were irritated at Sinema — again — on Friday. Even as Biden traipsed up to Capitol Hill to try to rescue his F.D.R. dreams, Sinema flew back to Phoenix in the middle of nail-biting negotiations on the scope of Biden’s social policy bill.

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I meant to say.....

Anyone WHO can get under Dowd's skin.....I am a fan.

Of course, what you don't hear are conservatives pointing out that this is why the senate exists.....even though this is a prime example.

It was Manchin who pointed out that the senate exists to cool (and slow) down the house from doing something stupid (like spending 3.5 Trillion).

In fact, I don't hear much about the 10th Amendment from anyone.

Like her not....if you want anything close to fiscal sanity.....she is trying to help.

Some may wish that she'd cave so we have bigger bargaining chips.  A bill our grandkids will be paying for decades.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: catfish1957 on October 03, 2021, 04:07:45 pm

In fact, I don't hear much about the 10th Amendment from anyone.



When you finally do, it won't be a fire cracker, it will an (__)xit H Bomb
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Hoodat on October 03, 2021, 04:09:34 pm
Here is the first part (I must not have used up my freebees....)

The NYSlimes doesn't do 'freebies'.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 03, 2021, 04:11:09 pm
Here is the first part (I must not have used up my freebees....)

WASHINGTON — Just like the original Sphinx, the Phoenix Sphinx is blocking the way until those who would move ahead solve her riddle:

What does Kyrsten Sinema want? And why doesn’t she stick around to explain it?

Somehow, we have gotten ourselves in a perverse situation where Sinema and Joe Manchin rule the world, and it’s confounding that these two people have this much sway. As Hemingway wondered in “The Snows of Kilimanjaro,” what are those leopards doing at this altitude?

Sinema and Manchin are now directing what Joe Biden gets to do and deciding how his presidency will be defined. Some Democrats even worry that the recalcitrant pair could be helping Donald Trump vault back into the White House.

The duo has created such havoc on the Hill — with the fate of the whole country riding on what mood they’re in — that congressional reporters have come up with Bennifer-style nicknames for them, including Manchinema and Sinemanch.

Democrats were irritated at Sinema — again — on Friday. Even as Biden traipsed up to Capitol Hill to try to rescue his F.D.R. dreams, Sinema flew back to Phoenix in the middle of nail-biting negotiations on the scope of Biden’s social policy bill.

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I meant to say.....

Anyone WHO can get under Dowd's skin.....I am a fan.

Of course, what you don't hear are conservatives pointing out that this is why the senate exists.....even though this is a prime example.

It was Manchin who pointed out that the senate exists to cool (and slow) down the house from doing something stupid (like spending 3.5 Trillion).

In fact, I don't hear much about the 10th Amendment from anyone.

Like her not....if you want anything close to fiscal sanity.....she is trying to help.

Some may wish that she'd cave so we have bigger bargaining chips.  A bill our grandkids will be paying for decades.

From the Slimes article:

Quote
The duo has created such havoc on the Hill — with the fate of the whole country riding on what mood they’re in — that congressional reporters have come up with Bennifer-style nicknames for them, including Manchinema and Sinemanch.

That's pretty catty of the ugly Maureen Dowd.  Sinema's opposition to the bill is because of a "mood swing."
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 03, 2021, 08:03:38 pm
From the Slimes article:

That's pretty catty of the ugly Maureen Dowd.  Sinema's opposition to the bill is because of a "mood swing."

Yes it was.

But it wouldn't be consistent she didn't say it.

Dowd is an elitist who has no clue about the real world.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 03, 2021, 09:23:20 pm
Yes it was.

But it wouldn't be consistent she didn't say it.

Dowd is an elitist who has no clue about the real world.

She has all the savvy of Anna Quinlan.  :silly:
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: catfish1957 on October 03, 2021, 09:31:39 pm
She has all the savvy of Anna Quinlan.  :silly:

My favorite MoDo story is the time she ate all the Marijuana Edibles and thought she was going to die.  I'd paid money to watch that if it was on film.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: DB on October 03, 2021, 09:37:09 pm
The old rule still applies!

Michael Douglas chose wisely...
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Wingnut on October 03, 2021, 09:57:11 pm
She has all the savvy of Anna Quinlan.  :silly:

More like Karen Ann Quinlan.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: DB on October 04, 2021, 12:54:58 am
The left in action:

https://therightscoop.com/watch-utterly-insane-left-wing-whackjobs-film-and-harass-kyrsten-sinema-using-the-bathroom/
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Hoodat on October 04, 2021, 01:02:31 am
The left in action:

https://therightscoop.com/watch-utterly-insane-left-wing-whackjobs-film-and-harass-kyrsten-sinema-using-the-bathroom/

I would have wiped my hands on her shirt before walking out.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Wingnut on October 04, 2021, 01:05:02 am
I would have wiped my hands on her shirt before walking out.

It was nice that the women next to her gave a courtesy flush...
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 04, 2021, 01:42:54 am
The left in action:

https://therightscoop.com/watch-utterly-insane-left-wing-whackjobs-film-and-harass-kyrsten-sinema-using-the-bathroom/

If Sinema had mace....would she have been justified ?
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: sneakypete on October 04, 2021, 09:32:09 am
Am I the only one thinking that illegal alien just filmed itself committing a sex crime,and that is grounds for deportation once the jail term is served?

WHY hasn't this happened?

WHERE is the Societ of Women (the SOW Gang) on this?
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 05, 2021, 03:38:27 pm
Even Saturday Night Live (I read an article....I don't watch that crap) is  trashing them.

She's a hero to the GOP in my book !!!

All comments on articles keep crowing at her "Come join us (the GOP)."

She's more conservative some of the idiots who call themselves R's.  And yes, I realize that isn't saying much.

However, it is great that we can say that it is the democrats screwing over democrats.

I like her just where she is.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 06, 2021, 03:11:06 pm
Sounds like Manchin may be cracking.

Sinema needs to hold the line.

Good grief.

I wonder if the GOP realizes how pathetic it is that we (conservatives) have to depend on a democratic senator to keep left wing legislation from becoming law.

Totally dismaying.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: Smokin Joe on October 08, 2021, 06:09:54 am
Sounds like Manchin may be cracking.

Sinema needs to hold the line.

Good grief.

I wonder if the GOP realizes how pathetic it is that we (conservatives) have to depend on a democratic senator to keep left wing legislation from becoming law.

Totally dismaying.
He did better than 11 'pubbies. That is the sad part.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: sneakypete on October 08, 2021, 02:25:27 pm
He did better than 11 'pubbies. That is the sad part.

@Smokin Joe

ALLEGED " 'pubbies"..

Which is the problem. The Dims aren't doing this to us as much as WE are doing this to us by allowing local party leadership to support any SOB with good teeth and hair that shows up and claims to be an alleged "Republican".

I don't give a bleep if his name is Jesus and the Pope supports him,if he ain't an actual pro-American conservative,we MUST stop supporting these SOB's.

We have to defeat our own leftists before we can hope to even begin defeating the leftists in the Dim Party.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: skeeter on October 08, 2021, 02:30:54 pm
@Smokin Joe

ALLEGED " 'pubbies"..

Which is the problem. The Dims aren't doing this to us as much as WE are doing this to us by allowing local party leadership to support any SOB with good teeth and hair that shows up and claims to be an alleged "Republican".

I don't give a bleep if his name is Jesus and the Pope supports him,if he ain't an actual pro-American conservative,we MUST stop supporting these SOB's.

We have to defeat our own leftists before we can hope to even begin defeating the leftists in the Dim Party.
Not much patience for the republicans who go on the conservative shows after these votes and rail about 'those democrats'. I don't care if they personally voted the right way or not, if they don't call out their own party FIRST they are not serious about the fix we're in.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 08, 2021, 05:05:12 pm
@Smokin Joe

ALLEGED " 'pubbies"..

Which is the problem. The Dims aren't doing this to us as much as WE are doing this to us by allowing local party leadership to support any SOB with good teeth and hair that shows up and claims to be an alleged "Republican".

I don't give a bleep if his name is Jesus and the Pope supports him,if he ain't an actual pro-American conservative,we MUST stop supporting these SOB's.

We have to defeat our own leftists before we can hope to even begin defeating the leftists in the Dim Party.

Yes,  the GOP need only look as far as the GOP, on a federal level to see who has failed us.

You'll never get a solid core of conservatives, but they can certainly exert influence.
Title: Re: Disappointed in Senema's Vote
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 21, 2021, 06:23:00 pm
Five military veterans on Sen. Kyrsten Sinema's advisory board resigned from their roles this week, slamming the Arizona Democrat as one of the "principal obstacles to progress."

In a letter to Sinema, the veterans expressed frustration with her refusal to change the Senate filibuster to protect voting rights, failure to support prescription drug negotiations, her opposition to parts of the Democrats' sweeping budget reconciliation package that make up President Joe Biden's agenda and criticized her for not voting on the January 6 commission.
"You have become one of the principal obstacles to progress, answering to big donors rather than your own people," the veterans wrote. "We shouldn't have to buy representation from you, and your failure to stand by your people and see their urgent needs is alarming."
"We do not know who has your ear, but it clearly isn't us or your constituents," they added.

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Keep rochin' em' Kyrsten.

I'm lovin' it.