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General Category => Military/Defense News => Topic started by: Dexter on February 24, 2019, 02:52:36 pm
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/02/24/military-draft-judge-rules-male-only-registration-unconstitutional/2968872002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/02/24/military-draft-judge-rules-male-only-registration-unconstitutional/2968872002/)
A federal judge in Texas has declared that the all-male military draft is unconstitutional, ruling that "the time has passed" for a debate on whether women belong in the military.
The decision deals the biggest legal blow to the Selective Service System since the Supreme Court upheld the draft in 1981. In Rostker v. Goldberg, the court ruled that the male-only draft was "fully justified" because women were ineligible for combat roles.
But U.S. District Judge Gray Miller ruled late Friday that while historical restrictions on women serving in combat "may have justified past discrimination," men and women are now equally able to fight. In 2015, the Pentagon lifted all restrictions for women in military service.
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BKMK
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Texas Judge. Must be a Shrub appointee.
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Texas Judge. Must be a Shrub appointee.
Ayup. From Wiki:
On January 25, 2006, Miller was nominated by President Bush to be a United States District Judge for the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas in place of Judge Ewing Werlein, Jr. who had taken senior status in 2006. He was confirmed unanimously by the Senate on April 25, 2006 and received his commission the same day. He assumed senior status on December 9, 2018.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_H._Miller
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Nope, women should be held sacred (and I have only boys)...
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Nope, women should be held sacred (and I have only boys)...
For real?
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Nope, women should be held sacred (and I have only boys)...
@Sighlass
Women want to be in combat & considered the same as men. This was going to be the result all along.
Sucks for all of the females who don’t want it, but it’s what happens when society humors this stupid crap in the interest of making the armed services into a social experiment.
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A Texas judge who hasn't had sex in more than a few years. happy77
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@Sighlass
Women want to be in combat & considered the same as men. This was going to be the result all along.
Sucks for all of the females who don’t want it, but it’s what happens when society humors this stupid crap in the interest of making the armed services into a social experiment.
I agree, @QueenCatofAragon. Sometimes you get what you wish for.
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I agree, @QueenCatofAragon. Sometimes you get what you wish for.
@Sanguine
I’m glad I don’t have a daughter.
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@Sanguine
I’m glad I don’t have a daughter.
I do. And granddaughters. It's a rough world.
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For real?
Yes, for real ,,, still some of us that believe women are to be protected, not put on the front line (or thereabouts).
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@Sighlass
Sucks for all of the females who don’t want it, but it’s what happens when society humors this stupid crap in the interest of making the armed services into a social experiment.
:thumbsup:
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@Sighlass
Women want to be in combat & considered the same as men. This was going to be the result all along.
Sucks for all of the females who don’t want it, but it’s what happens when society humors this stupid crap in the interest of making the armed services into a social experiment.
Hmmmm.... doesn't seem to be a problem for Israel. :shrug:
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I support universal national service. Perhaps just one year.
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Yes, for real ,,, still some of us that believe women are to be protected, not put on the front line (or thereabouts).
And yet, there are many among us who think you're wrong, and need to be forced (by law, if necessary) to see it the way they want you to. For real.
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Hmmmm.... doesn't seem to be a problem for Israel. :shrug:
@DCPatriot not so sure that’s a point that bolsters your argument:
“Women currently make up 3% of the IDF's combat soldiers. Women were employed in full combat roles during the War of Independence and early years. An incident involving the abuse of a woman's corpse led to their withdrawal from full combat until 2000, when the Caracal Battalion was raised...
Despite being officially classified as combat soldiers, women in combat roles are not deliberately deployed into combat situations. They are expected to respond in the event a combat situation does erupt, but are not deployed to situations where there is a high risk of combat.†From wiki.
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Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile.
Wishful thinking I suppose, but maybe this could make future presidential and congressional leaders reevaluate whether a conflict is worth getting into when we tear mothers away from their infants to go and fight. A father’s absence doesn’t impact an infant like it does a mother’s.
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Hmmmm.... doesn't seem to be a problem for Israel. :shrug:
@DCPatriot
I see @Axeslinger beat me to it, lol.
If you had a male relative—son, brother, father—in active combat, who got wounded, would you want his life to depend on a woman carrying him off the battlefield?
I sure wouldn’t.
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And yet, there are many among us who think you're wrong, and need to be forced (by law, if necessary) to see it the way they want you to. For real.
I fully understand...
(https://i.postimg.cc/RhsMD9dS/Gaddafi.jpg)
EDIT: Well guess they didn't like me posting a picture of Gaddafi (with his Amazon women warriors)
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Well if they want equal rights, this comes with the territory.
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I fully understand...
(https://i.postimg.cc/RhsMD9dS/Gaddafi.jpg)
EDIT: Well guess they didn't like me posting a picture of Gaddafi (with his Amazon women warriors)
Try posting a link to the image, rather than hot-linking with the "[img]" command. Just post the URL.
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I do. And granddaughters. It's a rough world.
There will likely never be another draft, so this is mostly just symbolic.
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@DCPatriot
I see @Axeslinger beat me to it, lol.
If you had a male relative—son, brother, father—in active combat, who got wounded, would you want his life to depend on a woman carrying him off the battlefield?
I sure wouldn’t.
Depends on the woman. There are quite a few at the right-hand section of the Bell Curve for physical strength. The problem with that is, the Feminists will demand the standards for physical fitness be lowered to allow a gal who's 5 foot 2 inches to serve in combat, so that's where I have to end up agreeing with your premise.
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Yes, for real ,,, still some of us that believe women are to be protected, not put on the front line (or thereabouts).
I think men should be held sacred and protected too.
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A father’s absence doesn’t impact an infant like it does a mother’s.
Both are devastating to children.
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Good men will die trying to protect women who have no business being there in the first place!
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Yes, for real ,,, still some of us that believe women are to be protected, not put on the front line (or thereabouts).
I disagree.
If a man has to submit his personal information to the armed forces and be called into service in times of war or peace, under penalty of jail time, massive fines, blacklisting from job opportunities and being banned from getting a driver's license in over 20 states... equal protection insists that women be subject to the same indignity.
What the armed forces does with the women in their registration list is another issue altogether, but they should be required to register. The armed forces has uses for women that don't involve combat. If that's the concern, as it usually has been, it's a very weak one. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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There will likely never be another draft, so this is mostly just symbolic.
"Never?" Do you have a crystal ball or something?
You always seem to be so sure of yourself, @Dexter. This is not a positive personality attribute because it denies self-reflection.
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I think men should be held sacred and protected too.
OK, then pass a law to make all wars illegal.
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"Never?" Do you have a crystal ball or something?
You always seem to be so sure of yourself, @Dexter. This is not a positive personality attribute because it denies self-reflection.
I said likely never. Human soldiers will soon become much less relevant in modern warfare. If you think I'm not willing to put my own ideas under the microscope you couldn't be further from the truth. That's almost the entire reason why I come here.
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OK, then pass a law to make all wars illegal.
A woman's life is not inherently more important than a man's life.
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I said likely never. Human soldiers will soon become much less relevant in modern warfare. If you think I'm not willing to put my own ideas under the microscope you couldn't be further from the truth. That's almost the entire reason why I come here.
Talk about unlikely! Since you are impervious to arguments, I'd say you are only here to lecture us knuckle-draggers.
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A woman's life is not inherently more important than a man's life.
Try telling that to an experience Anthropologist. Never mind, you'll just end up lecturing them, too.
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I'd say you are only here to lecture us knuckle-draggers.
I do hope some of you have maybe gotten a little something from the way I see the world, as I have from the way all of you see it. If I actually looked down on you so much I wouldn't waste my time.
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Talk about unlikely! Since you are impervious to arguments, I'd say you are only here to lecture us knuckle-draggers.
T R O L L ! ! ! 100%
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Depends on the woman. There are quite a few at the right-hand section of the Bell Curve for physical strength. The problem with that is, the Feminists will demand the standards for physical fitness be lowered to allow a gal who's 5 foot 2 inches to serve in combat, so that's where I have to end up agreeing with your premise.
@Cyber Liberty
Physical standards for women have already been lowered for women in the armed services. There’s a minority of women bodybuilders who are abnormally strong, largely due to steroid use. But those don’t seem to be the ones who want in to the service. It’s the ones with something to prove.
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I think men should be held sacred and protected too.
@Dexter
Most men prefer to protect rather than be protected. It’s only natural.
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I do hope some of you have maybe gotten a little something from the way I see the world, as I have from the way all of you see it. If I actually looked down on you so much I wouldn't waste my time.
Thank you for proving my point for me. And my previous point about a lack of self-reflection? You prove that every day. That last sentence is just a sop to help the knuckle-draggers swallow your BS.
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I do hope some of you have maybe gotten a little something from the way I see the world, as I have from the way all of you see it. If I actually looked down on you so much I wouldn't waste my time.
I appreciate your intent here, but you gotta understand that outside of forums like this one your view of the world is constantly shoved down our throats. This place is a refuge.
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A woman's life is not inherently more important than a man's life.
Well when it comes to population we are. While men can procreate almost endlessly, women can’t and therefore a few more of us than men is a good thing.
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@Dexter
Most men prefer to protect rather than be protected. It’s only natural.
@QueenCatofAragon
Mr. Dex is at war with "Human Nature." He doesn't want to understand it, he wants to change it by lecturing us idiots. :shrug:
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I appreciate your intent here, but you gotta understand that outside of forums like this one your view of the world is constantly shoved down our throats. This place is a refuge.
Which makes this place a rich opportunity for a leftist to shove that crap down our throats. A laboratory if you will. It's like studying insects under a microscope.
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You always seem to be so sure of yourself, @Dexter. This is not a positive personality attribute because it denies self-reflection.
That settles it. He's a blood sucking Vampire.
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Well when it comes to population we are. While men can procreate almost endlessly, women can’t and therefore a few more of us than men is a good thing.
Stop making sense. :laugh:
That is why I think he should discuss this with an experienced Anthropologist. Let him try to convince one that you are wrong. (What you say is right there in Anthro 101: Females must be preserved because of their role in maintaining the population of a species.)
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Yes, for real ,,, still some of us that believe women are to be protected, not put on the front line (or thereabouts).
Yeah; they’re called Muslims, and it’s just a ruse to keep women treated as chattel property.
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@QueenCatofAragon
Mr. Dex is at war with "Human Nature." He doesn't want to understand it, he wants to change it by lecturing us idiots. :shrug:
It’s a losing battle. Just as it is for the broads who want to be the same as men.
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That settles it. He's a blood sucking Vampire.
With a subtle difference: Vampires get respect. :whistle:
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Yeah; they’re called Muslims, and it’s just a ruse to keep women treated as chattel property.
@Bill Cipher
Is this a serious comment?
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Yeah; they’re called Muslims, and it’s just a ruse to keep women treated as chattel property.
*****rollingeyes*****
Must be nice to live in a binary world.
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@Bill Cipher
Is this a serious comment?
Bill thinks it is. Just run down some of his posting history.
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Which makes this place a rich opportunity for a leftist to shove that crap down our throats. A laboratory if you will. It's like studying insects under a microscope.
Their ideology cannot afford to leave a single nook or cranny of doubleplus ungoodthink unindoctrinated.
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I appreciate your intent here, but you gotta understand that outside of forums like this one your view of the world is constantly shoved down our throats. This place is a refuge.
I don't even post that frequently. The posts just tend to blow up when I do because people want to disagree with me.
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I don't even post that frequently. The posts just tend to blow up when I do because people want to disagree with me.
ROFLMFAO!!!!!! Imagine that!!!
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@Cyber Liberty
Physical standards for women have already been lowered for women in the armed services. There’s a minority of women bodybuilders who are abnormally strong, largely due to steroid use. But those don’t seem to be the ones who want in to the service. It’s the ones with something to prove.
That's the old "Chip on the Shoulder" thing?
These gals who want to prove something will pay for that with their lives if we're in a real shootin' war.
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Thank you for proving my point for me.
Obviously I think I'm right. You don't? When you take the time to disagree with me are you not attempting to help me understand something I don't understand? I think you're wrong about a lot of stuff. It's not fair to get pissed off because you haven't been able to change my mind.
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I don't even post that frequently. The posts just tend to blow up when I do because people want to disagree with me.
Maybe it's because we know you're wrong?
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@Bill Cipher
Is this a serious comment?
It’s obviously got some hyperbole, but at bottom, yeah, it’s a valid comment. Those who claim to “protect†women - or any other group - have a distressing tendency to do so in a way that, mirabile dictu, just happens to restrict their freedom and treat them as less than full adults.
Every single apologist for the Muslim treatment of women uses exactly the same excuse: it’s for their protection.
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Bill thinks it is. Just run down some of his posting history.
Ahh yes, here come the personal attacks.
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Well when it comes to population we are.
I don't think that's a relevant concern considering the national and world population.
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Maybe it's because we know you're wrong?
Yeah, and I know you're wrong too. Don't let it bother you so much.
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I have no desire to Play the Lottery anymore after I almost Won with my Draft Lottery #002.
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It’s obviously got some hyperbole, but at bottom, yeah, it’s a valid comment. Those who claim to “protect†women - or any other group - have a distressing tendency to do so in a way that, mirabile dictu, just happens to restrict their freedom and treat them as less than full adults.
Every single apologist for the Muslim treatment of women uses exactly the same excuse: it’s for their protection.
@Bill Cipher
The two don’t go hand in hand, though. It’s true that Muslims mistreat women and justify it as protection. But the traditional male protective impulse toward women is a positive attribute. And it just makes sense.
God knows my husband is protective of me, but he’s the polar opposite of smothering and abusing. Same with the women in my family. We’re talking confident professional women who enjoy strong protective men.
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I don't think that's a relevant concern considering the national and world population.
Our national pop is dropping and that’s a bad thing. Malthus was wrong.
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I have no desire to Play the Lottery anymore after I almost Won with my Draft Lottery #002.
Man, That was a "bend over moment."
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Our national pop is dropping
That is objectively false.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/population
(https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/united-states-population.png?s=usa+sp.pop.totl&v=201902061528a1)
DATE VALUE
Aug 1, 2018 328.26 million
Jul 1, 2018 328.03 million
Jul 1, 2017 325.72 million
Jul 1, 2016 323.41 million
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Obviously I think I'm right. You don't? When you take the time to disagree with me are you not attempting to help me understand something I don't understand? I think you're wrong about a lot of stuff. It's not fair to get pissed off because you haven't been able to change my mind.
I always consider the possibility I am wrong. You obviously do not. You lack a sufficient ability to doubt yourself, you mind is closed. I don't give a shit if I don't change your mind. You are what you are: An amusement.
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Yeah, and I know you're wrong too. Don't let it bother you so much.
To clarify: I don't give a give a flying bleep what you think. That doesn't bother me in the least. What does bother me is you troll this forum I administer.
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Ahh yes, here come the personal attacks.
You denounce your posting history?
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You obviously do not.
My world view has changed drastically over the last 12 years. I want to be wrong, because then I learn. I think in politics between two people that aren't ignorant it's less of a disagreement about what's factually right and wrong and more of a disagreement about what's morally right or wrong. You think you've adequately proven me wrong however many times, but maybe all you've really done is state your own opinion. I don't always choose to continue engaging. That doesn't mean my world view has been proven wrong and I'm choosing to ignore it.
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I don't think that's a relevant concern considering the national and world population.
It is if you are a civilized society and don't want to be overrun with Vandals.
But, I don't think you believe we're "civilized." We're Troglodytes. *****rollingeyes*****
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Well if they want equal rights, this comes with the territory.
You see, that there is the problem. The straw man, equal rights (women already have equal rights under the law), over common sense biology: that is the importance for mothers to rear their children (and fathers too, barring war).
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What does bother me is you troll this forum I administer.
No I don't, but if you want to ban me for my views now that you're an admin you should go ahead and do it now instead of slowly building up to it. I've asked Myst to ban me more than once anyway.
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I don't always choose to continue engaging.
That's rich. You never engage, you lecture. Big difference.
I'm tired of this crap. Go lecture somebody else who likes it.
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No I don't, but if you want to ban me for my views now that you're an admin you should go ahead and do it now instead of slowly building up to it. I've asked Myst to ban me more than once anyway.
Nope. Banning somebody who disagrees is contrary to TBR policy, which is what I'm tasked to uphold as Admin. Now, if I really considered you nothing more than a troll... :whistle:
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That is objectively false.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/population (https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/population)
(https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/united-states-population.png?s=usa+sp.pop.totl&v=201902061528a1)
DATE VALUE
Aug 1, 2018 328.26 million
Jul 1, 2018 328.03 million
Jul 1, 2017 325.72 million
Jul 1, 2016 323.41 million
My apologies: I meant that it is not rising at a high enough rate. Regardless, Malthus was wrong.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/12/21/us-population-growth-hits-80-year-low-capping-off-a-year-of-demographic-stagnation/ (https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/12/21/us-population-growth-hits-80-year-low-capping-off-a-year-of-demographic-stagnation/)
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Our population is currently growing, but for how long?
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/12/21/us-population-growth-hits-80-year-low-capping-off-a-year-of-demographic-stagnation/ (https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/12/21/us-population-growth-hits-80-year-low-capping-off-a-year-of-demographic-stagnation/)
(https://i2.wp.com/www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/12.21.18_metro_Frey_Figure-1.png?w=768&crop=0%2C0px%2C100%2C9999px&ssl=1)
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Our population is currently growing, but for how long?
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/12/21/us-population-growth-hits-80-year-low-capping-off-a-year-of-demographic-stagnation/ (https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/12/21/us-population-growth-hits-80-year-low-capping-off-a-year-of-demographic-stagnation/)
(https://i2.wp.com/www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/12.21.18_metro_Frey_Figure-1.png?w=768&crop=0%2C0px%2C100%2C9999px&ssl=1)
Even more frightening, it’s people like my husband and I that aren’t contributing enough. We have three little ones and are done due to radiation treatments I’m currently undergoing. Those in the multigenerational welfare class are reproducing as well. This is a dangerous situation because they are producing more multigenerational welfare class citizens.
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There will likely never be another draft, so this is mostly just symbolic.
I'm willing to bet money there will be.
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Even more frightening, it’s people like my husband and I that aren’t contributing enough. We have three little ones and are done due to radiation treatments I’m currently undergoing. Those in the multigenerational welfare class are reproducing as well. This is a dangerous situation because they are producing more multigenerational welfare class citizens.
You are having radiation?
You have my prayers. :0001: :0001: :0001: :0001:
@goodwithagun
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Both are devastating to children.
"Devastating" - no. If they're both good people/good parents, then yes, the absence of one or the other can be bad.
But, @Dexter, men and women are not the same and interchangeable. Mothers are much more important to children, maybe until adolescence when the need for male discipline kicks in more. Not saying fathers are unimportant; just that during much of childhood mothers are the primary parent. Pretty much the same across all cultures.
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I'm willing to bet money there will be.
We've had registration for Selective Service since Jimmy Carter. The bureaucratic apparatus is certainly there and can be activated at a moment's notice. It will be eventually, as sure as the sun rises in the East.
I'd never take your wager because it's a sucker's bet.
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Even more frightening, it’s people like my husband and I that aren’t contributing enough. We have three little ones and are done due to radiation treatments I’m currently undergoing. Those in the multigenerational welfare class are reproducing as well. This is a dangerous situation because they are producing more multigenerational welfare class citizens.
Be thankful you have your three. We have three as well. How many couples these days have no intentions of having children that will ruin their lifesyles. Or is it that they have never achieved maturity and are afraid of rearing children as they are too childlike themselves.
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Be thankful you have your three. We have three as well. How many couples these days have no intentions of having children that will ruin their lifesyles. Or is it that they have never achieved maturity and are afraid of rearing children as they are too childlike themselves.
You're right, @Elderberry, and I am thankful. They certainly did ruin my lifestyle - and gave me a much better one.
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Our population is currently growing, but for how long?
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/12/21/us-population-growth-hits-80-year-low-capping-off-a-year-of-demographic-stagnation/ (https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/12/21/us-population-growth-hits-80-year-low-capping-off-a-year-of-demographic-stagnation/)
(https://i2.wp.com/www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/12.21.18_metro_Frey_Figure-1.png?w=768&crop=0%2C0px%2C100%2C9999px&ssl=1)
Also a reminder here: much of the growth is coming from immigration. For much of the United States, birth rate is below replacement—in some cases such as the Northeast, catastrophically so.
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@Bill Cipher
The two don’t go hand in hand, though. It’s true that Muslims mistreat women and justify it as protection. But the traditional male protective impulse toward women is a positive attribute. And it just makes sense.
God knows my husband is protective of me, but he’s the polar opposite of smothering and abusing. Same with the women in my family. We’re talking confident professional women who enjoy strong protective men.
Sorry, but with all due respect the traditional western “protection†of women has been just as damaging. Less graphic, perhaps, but just as demeaning.
I still vividly remember one of those traditional “protective†men demeaning my mother and blaming my brother’s apparent disappearance on the fact that she had the uppitiness to get divorced from a toxic marriage.
Turned out my brother had actually been taken by someone; he hadn’t run away because there was no “protective†man in the house.
It’s called “protection†because it makes the men who engage in it feel better about themselves and what they’re doing, but it isn’t protection in any real sense, it’s subservience and chattelhood.
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Be thankful you have your three. We have three as well. How many couples these days have no intentions of having children that will ruin their lifesyles. Or is it that they have never achieved maturity and are afraid of rearing children as they are too childlike themselves.
@Elderberry
It’s just my husband and me here— we don’t have kids. It’s nothing to do with ruining our lifestyle. I’ve mentioned it here before, though I kept shut about it at TOS. They’d have condemned me to Hell, most likely.
We’re both extremely pro-family and we like kids just fine, but not everyone is meant to be parents. I think we’re pretty mature in general, but growing up completely? Where’s the fun in that?
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Sorry, but with all due respect the traditional western “protection†of women has been just as damaging. Less graphic, perhaps, but just as demeaning.
I still vividly remember one of those traditional “protective†men demeaning my mother and blaming my brother’s apparent disappearance on the fact that she had the uppitiness to get divorced from a toxic marriage.
Turned out my brother had actually been taken by someone; he hadn’t run away because there was no “protective†man in the house.
It’s called “protection†because it makes the men who engage in it feel better about themselves and what they’re doing, but it isn’t protection in any real sense, it’s subservience and chattelhood.
What an awful experience for you.
You do realize though, that yours is pretty uncommon? So, applying it as a generalization just doesn't work.
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Sorry, but with all due respect the traditional western “protection†of women has been just as damaging. Less graphic, perhaps, but just as demeaning.
I still vividly remember one of those traditional “protective†men demeaning my mother and blaming my brother’s apparent disappearance on the fact that she had the uppitiness to get divorced from a toxic marriage.
Turned out my brother had actually been taken by someone; he hadn’t run away because there was no “protective†man in the house.
It’s called “protection†because it makes the men who engage in it feel better about themselves and what they’re doing, but it isn’t protection in any real sense, it’s subservience and chattelhood.
@Bill Cipher
That’s lousy, I agree—all of it. But you’re judging a natural male impulse based on those abusive examples.
Tbh I don’t know a male who doesn’t have a protective, solicitous urge toward women, but it’s all very benign. If we’re out for a walk, my husband will walk on the side nearest the street. It’s little things like that. I find them sexy as hell.
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What an awful experience for you.
You do realize though, that yours is pretty uncommon? So, applying it as a generalization just doesn't work.
Actually, it shows just how common that mindset is. This cop wasn’t anything special, just your typical cop. And the consequences of “protecting†people come down to the same thing: it’s an excuse to make the oppressors feel good about themselves and what they’re doing. And it also serves to perpetuate the falsehood, because young kids get indoctrinated into believing that slavery is protection. Not too far down that road lies “arbeit macht freiâ€.
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@Bill Cipher
That’s lousy, I agree—all of it. But you’re judging a natural male impulse based on those abusive examples.
Tbh I don’t know a male who doesn’t have a protective, solicitous urge toward women, but it’s all very benign. If we’re out for a walk, my husband will walk on the side nearest the street. It’s little things like that. I find them sexy as hell.
“Benign†is just another fancy word for self-deception.
You’re entitled to feel the way you want to, but the fact that you like it does not justify it, excuse it, or otherwise change the fact that in practice it’s not “protection†it’s chattelhood.
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Actually, it shows just how common that mindset is. This cop wasn’t anything special, just your typical cop. And the consequences of “protecting†people come down to the same thing: it’s an excuse to make the oppressors feel good about themselves and what they’re doing. And it also serves to perpetuate the falsehood, because young kids get indoctrinated into believing that slavery is protection. Not too far down that road lies “arbeit macht freiâ€.
I think you and I may be roughly the same age - and I've been a woman all of my life and only once saw anything anywhere like that. And, her husband was just an abusive creep. I've lived a lot of places and met people in every strata of life. I don't think it's common at all.
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A federal judge has ruled that a men-only draft is unconstitutional, but he stopped short of ordering the Selective Service System to register women for military service.
The Houston judge sided with a San Diego men's advocacy group that challenged the government's practice of having only men sign up for the draft, citing sex discrimination in violation of the Fifth Amendment's equal protection clause.
"This case balances on the tension between the constitutionally enshrined power of Congress to raise armies and the constitutional mandate that no person be denied the equal protection of the law," wrote U.S. District Judge Gray Miller of the Southern District of Texas.
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https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/02/24/judge-rules-men-only-military-draft-unconstitutional.html (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/02/24/judge-rules-men-only-military-draft-unconstitutional.html)
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“Benign†is just another fancy word for self-deception.
You’re entitled to feel the way you want to, but the fact that you like it does not justify it, excuse it, or otherwise change the fact that in practice it’s not “protection†it’s chattelhood.
@Bill Cipher
Not at all. Just acknowledgment that the man is physically stronger. Hence nature’s impulse.
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@Bill Cipher
Not at all. Just acknowledgment that the man is physically stronger. Hence nature’s impulse.
Not nature’s impulse at all. The product of generations of treating women as chattel who belonged to their fathers, until they were transferred to their husbands, after which they belonged to their husbands. All duly written into the law as well as the broader culture.
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Not nature’s impulse at all. The product of generations of treating women as chattel who belonged to their fathers, until they were transferred to their husbands, after which they belonged to their husbands. All duly written into the law as well as the broader culture.
All righty.
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Not nature’s impulse at all. The product of generations of treating women as chattel who belonged to their fathers, until they were transferred to their husbands, after which they belonged to their husbands. All duly written into the law as well as the broader culture.
Good grief, you've been thoroughly indoctrinated into neo-feminism and looks like you swallowed it hook, line and sinker.
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Mothers are much more important to children, maybe until adolescence when the need for male discipline kicks in more.
So male discipline is the man's role in a child's life? Men can't provide emotional support and help teach empathy to children?
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So male discipline is the man's role in a child's life? Men can't provide emotional support and help teach empathy to children?
...and that's how we got "man buns."
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...and that's how we got "man buns."
It's really sad that so many men are too uncomfortable with their emotions to do those things.
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It's really sad that so many men are too uncomfortable with their emotions to do those things.
I think it's sad that there are men who want to shove that garbage down the throats of those unwilling to conform. Maybe that's my inner lizard to not enjoy the presence of Beta Males?
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I think it's sad that there are men who want to shove that garbage down the throats of those unwilling to conform. Maybe that's my inner lizard to not enjoy the presence of Beta Males?
Being emotionally mature does not make somebody a beta male.
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Being emotionally mature does not make somebody a beta male.
Well, I know you consider yourself more emotionally mature than the rest of us, which raises the question: Is your bun real or one of those clip-on buns I see advertised?
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So male discipline is the man's role in a child's life? Men can't provide emotional support and help teach empathy to children?
Don't be a twit. Nothing in my statement said that.
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Well, I know you consider yourself more emotionally mature than the rest of us
Do you think I spend a lot of time comparing myself to you and feeling superior? That seems to be what you think.
which raises the question: Is your bun real or one of those clip-on buns I see advertised?
My hair is usually in a state of utter chaos. I don't do anything to it other than wash it and then buzz it all off after a while. I don't even own a comb or a brush right now. haha I don't let it get long enough for buns or pony tails.
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Don't be a twit. Nothing in my statement said that.
What is mom teaching a child that dad is incapable of teaching? Why is mom so much more important than dad?
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What is mom teaching a child that dad is incapable of teaching? Why is mom so much more important than dad?
Teaching? It's all about teaching? Not so, grasshopper.
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Teaching? It's all about teaching? Not so, grasshopper.
Why is mom so much more important? You weren't specific.
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Why is mom so much more important? You weren't specific.
I can't tell if that is a sincere question or not. And, on the off chance that it is, I don't have the energy to educate you and bring you up to speed on human nature. It would require somehow breaking through your impressive defenses first, before you could even begin to understand the world outside of your misconceptions.
You must have an intimation that that world exists. Somewhere in the back of your mind, something is nagging you and telling you to go to places like here, and try to find what it is you are missing. But, as soon as something gets close to informing you, up go your defenses.
Tell me why I should even bother.
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You're right, @Elderberry, and I am thankful. They certainly did ruin my lifestyle - and gave me a much better one.
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I can just hear Dex saying, "A boy's best friend is his Mother"
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It is perfectly natural for men to protect women in a dangerous situation. Men routinely put themselves in mortal danger to save a female. This behavior does not work in the military. Every soldier must be equal, able to defend themselves and to protect others.
Also, no soldier wants a 'Helen of Troy' scenario, where a General or even a Sergeant irrationally puts dozens or even hundreds of troops in an impossible battle for no other reason than to rescue his girlfriend or his lover. Love makes men crazy. And irrational decisions in any military situation gets people killed.
I do not believe that women belong in combat. When a man dies, there are a dozen men to replace him. When a woman dies, she takes generations of potential life with her.
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Tell me why I should even bother.
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Maybe you shouldn't if me not seeing it your way makes it not worth talking about.
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Maybe you shouldn't if me not seeing it your way makes it not worth talking about.
And, there it is.
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I can just hear Dex saying, "A boy's best friend is his Mother"
As irony would have it I was raised by a single dad.
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Why is mom so much more important? You weren't specific.
For starters my husband’s nipples are useless. Maybe yours make boob juice, but his doesn’t, so for the first year of each of our kids’ lives I was numero uno. Or maybe uno and duo, buh dum ching!
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For starters my husband’s nipples are useless. Maybe yours make boob juice, but his doesn’t, so for the first year of each of our kids’ lives I was numero uno. Or maybe uno and duo, buh dum ching!
Yeah, men can't lactate or give birth. Is there anything else? I was more thinking about the emotional development of the child.
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As irony would have it I was raised by a single dad.
Equally ironic: I was a Single Dad.
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For starters my husband’s nipples are useless. Maybe yours make boob juice, but his doesn’t, so for the first year of each of our kids’ lives I was numero uno. Or maybe uno and duo, buh dum ching!
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@goodwithagun
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Do you think I spend a lot of time comparing myself to you and feeling superior? That seems to be what you think.
You and I just don't think alike, so don't suppose you know what I think. You simply don't have any idea what I think. Attempts to set you straight on that are ignored.
My hair is usually in a state of utter chaos. I don't do anything to it other than wash it and then buzz it all off after a while. I don't even own a comb or a brush right now. haha I don't let it get long enough for buns or pony tails.
I gladly stand corrected about that. You described my hair and that I get it cut every 9 months, whether it needs it or not. It was like that even well before I retired. :beer:
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No I don't, but if you want to ban me for my views now that you're an admin you should go ahead and do it now instead of slowly building up to it. I've asked Myst to ban me more than once anyway.
Obviously we need to file a complaint with @mystery-ak
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@Bill Cipher
The two don’t go hand in hand, though. It’s true that Muslims mistreat women and justify it as protection. But the traditional male protective impulse toward women is a positive attribute. And it just makes sense.
God knows my husband is protective of me, but he’s the polar opposite of smothering and abusing. Same with the women in my family. We’re talking confident professional women who enjoy strong protective men.
And this is why I think you friggin’ rock @QueenCatofAragon
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Obviously we need to file a complaint with @mystery-ak
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You got that right, my friend, because he's not gong to get any love for his "idea" from me. I hate banning Members.
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Sorry, but with all due respect the traditional western “protection†of women has been just as damaging. Less graphic, perhaps, but just as demeaning.
I still vividly remember one of those traditional “protective†men demeaning my mother and blaming my brother’s apparent disappearance on the fact that she had the uppitiness to get divorced from a toxic marriage.
Turned out my brother had actually been taken by someone; he hadn’t run away because there was no “protective†man in the house.
It’s called “protection†because it makes the men who engage in it feel better about themselves and what they’re doing, but it isn’t protection in any real sense, it’s subservience and chattelhood.
@Bill Cipher
So you’re applying your experience to the entirety of the population of western males as “all too common�
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And this is why I think you friggin’ rock @QueenCatofAragon
The women make too much damn sense. I hate her!
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Right now, in an all volunteer force, the percentages of "unplanned" pregnancies is causing serious force readiness issues. In the Navy, the women are taken off ship, leaving the crew short handed. The situation is the same in the other branches. The pregnant female still counts against the unit, so the unit now has to pick up her workload as well until a replacement is sent. The ripple effect this causes creates a lot of extra work, frustration and for those who have to deploy before they're due, anger.
https://stream.org/deployed-us-navy-pregnancy-problem-getting-worse/
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a395136.pdf
https://stream.org/u-s-military-seems-ready-motherhood-warfare/
Now, let's assume for a minute that women are drafted against their will.
I'll bet you a donut that the first thing they'll do to get out of it is find a willing "partner" and they're gone.
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Looks like this is "the Seinfeld thread" of the day, gettin' all the attention.
I'll make one comment and be done with it:
Civilized societies DO NOT send their women into combat.
That is all...
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Looks like this is "the Seinfeld thread" of the day, gettin' all the attention.
I'll make one comment and be done with it:
Civilized societies DO NOT send their women into combat.
That is all...
We conservatives agree, we’re just pointing out what happens when the chickens come home to roost. Wait, is that sexist?
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Maybe the draft shouldn't exist.
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A woman's life is not inherently more important than a man's life.
Yes it is. In almost every species, the female is more important than the male. We are no different.
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Maybe the draft shouldn't exist.
And in China they never go to church.
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Yes it is. In almost every species, the female is more important than the male. We are no different.
Just examine how flashy the male species versus the camouflage of the female species. I give you my state bird: the Cardinal.
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Just examine how flashy the male species versus the camouflage of the female species. I give you my state bird: the Cardinal.
All this stuff is easy to figure out ten miles off the gravel. Ain't a woman alive who would want to be out there for any time without a man, especially if her kids are there... And that's women that know how.
This woman-warrior crap is insanity.
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All this stuff is easy to figure out ten miles off the gravel. Ain't a woman alive who would want to be out there for any time without a man, especially if her kids are there... And that's women that know how.
This woman-warrior crap is insanity.
As I like to say about my marriage: I real woman can handle it all. A real man would never let her. I’m sitting here typing after swiping Aquaphore on my radiation burns as hubby does the dishes. He’s my hero â¤ï¸â¤ï¸â¤ï¸
Modified to add: Don’t f#$& with mama bear. I will pull my legally concealed weapon and double tap your ass if you mess with my cubs.
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Maybe the draft shouldn't exist.
The draft ALWAYS exists. You just don't know it.
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Maybe the draft shouldn't exist.
@Dexter, the shortest posts are usually the best. The idea the draft shouldn't exist? It's worth pondering, because the registration system is not free.
So, I'll see if I can remember the deal last time we had a draft. It was Vietnam. I was 14 when it ended...the war and the draft. All males had to register at age 19 and get Classification. They were assigned codes...1-A meant one is fully capable and ready to go. 4-F meant not qualified at all. The list of Classification codes is interesting, find it here:
https://www.sss.gov/Classifications (https://www.sss.gov/Classifications)
In addition, Selective Service created a lottery they drew from a computer "basket" every year, with 365 balls (366 for a leap year) for days. The first ball out of the "basket" was position 1, for first choice and 365 for last. I think they used a random number generator.
Registration ended in 1975 (the year before I turned 18, BTW). The Selective Service went into a "deep standby" status, which is not quite closed. In the Summer of 1980 Registration resumed.
From the SSS dot gov site:
TODAY, approximately 124 full-time paid employees of the Selective Service System are primarily civilians hired under the rules prescribed by the Officer of Personnel Management (formerly U.S. Civil Service Commission). Reserve forces are composed of approximately 150 National Guard and Reserve officers who are assigned to Selective Service for their monthly drills and two-week active duty training sessions each year. In the event of an emergency, these officers could be called to active duty to augment the full-time staff.
The present structure of the agency consists of the National Headquarters, Data Management Center, and three Region Headquarters. State and local offices were closed in 1976 and would be reactivated only if inductions should be resumed.
So that's how we got to where we are today.
"Maybe the draft shouldn't exist?" I'd add, "Is it even desirable?"
A standing argument is, "Modern soldiers require years to properly train with the high-tech equipment." It's a compelling argument, and probably why nobody seems to be advocating restarting induction. Conscripts would typically serve a year or so, and it would take that long just to get them field capable. What's the point in that? If you assigned them to a lesser trained job (there are plenty) they won't have much rapport with the Combat Soldiers who trained for years..the "professional army." That's been the paradigm so far.
So why register if the government has no intention of using the information? I've wondered that for years. The reason to exist has gone obsolete. But, as government institutions are wont to do, the bureaucrats staked out their turf and refuse to agree to shut it down and throw all their families out of work. They lobby Congress to keep it in the budgets and CRs. Oh, and they need to keep the Social Experimentation Labs primed. If dumping SSS can help collapse that, then I think it deserves a good hard look.
The only purpose is to keep bullshit stories like the original article at the top of the thread and in turn keep feminist controversy alive and a political football. That and neither the Congress or the President don't want to be faced with "raising an army of conscripts" when contemplating a war, it would require explaining to the Proles.
For the record: I never registered, and it was perfectly legal. Like I said, I turned 18 about 6 weeks after the registration stopped. When it resumed in 1980, the upper limit in age for registration was 21 and I was 22. They never asked me.
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The draft ALWAYS exists. You just don't know it.
Uhyup. True dat.
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As I like to say about my marriage: I real woman can handle it all. A real man would never let her. I’m sitting here typing after swiping Aquaphore on my radiation burns as hubby does the dishes. He’s my hero â¤ï¸â¤ï¸â¤ï¸
Modified to add: Don’t f#$& with mama bear. I will pull my legally concealed weapon and double tap your ass if you mess with my cubs.
All that is damn well right. But there is a place that men can go that women cannot.
Can a woman plow a field with a two-bottom plow and a pair of Clydes? Yeah - If the old man is busted up. She can do it some, but she can't flat do it always.
I know exactly two women who have enough hair that they stayed on the homestead after the old man kicked it. And both of em do it because their neighbors help em out. And in both cases, the homestead is all the way run down. Like I said, they are both tough as nails just to stay, God bless em, but they can't really make it go. All the fences are failing, the roofs are gone, the stock is rough, if it is there at all, the pastures are getting way overgrown to brush, and all the machinery quit a long time ago... But the place is painted, the lawn is mowed, and the gardens are beautiful.
I get it all the way wrt a woman protecting her cubs (see here (http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_female.htm) with every respect). But naturally, the old man is dead or gone before it ever comes to that!
But even so, that is not war. No woman I know can take a forced march with an 80 lb pack. Heck, just taking a walk out in the bush with a woman slows a man down a ton. I can go roughly 2/3 of the way with a woman along, and I will be packing most of her crap.
It's alright - I don't mind it. It's just how it is. But this nonsense that a woman can do anything a man can do is sheer nonsense. And that goes the other way around too, btw. There are plenty of things a woman does better than a man.
They ain't equal, either way. They are different. And thank God for the difference. We ain't made to be the same. We're made to make up the difference for the other.
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@DCPatriot not so sure that’s a point that bolsters your argument:
“Women currently make up 3% of the IDF's combat soldiers. Women were employed in full combat roles during the War of Independence and early years. An incident involving the abuse of a woman's corpse led to their withdrawal from full combat until 2000, when the Caracal Battalion was raised...
Despite being officially classified as combat soldiers, women in combat roles are not deliberately deployed into combat situations. They are expected to respond in the event a combat situation does erupt, but are not deployed to situations where there is a high risk of combat.†From wiki.
Being drafted does not mean they have to serve in combat roles.
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Being drafted does not mean they have to serve in combat roles.
The Other End of the Spear: The Tooth- to-Tail Ratio (T3R) in Modern Military Operations: https://www.armyupress.army.mil/portals/7/combat-studies-institute/csi-books/mcgrath_op23.pdf (https://www.armyupress.army.mil/portals/7/combat-studies-institute/csi-books/mcgrath_op23.pdf)
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This woman-warrior crap is insanity.
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. Conscripts would typically serve a year or so, and it would take that long just to get them field capable. What's the point in that?
Back in WWI Conscripts served 12 months. Before Nam it had in increased to 24 months. Plenty of time to become "Field Capable" in a "Time of Need".
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All that is damn well right. But there is a place that men can go that women cannot.
Can a woman plow a field with a two-bottom plow and a pair of Clydes? Yeah - If the old man is busted up. She can do it some, but she can't flat do it always.
I know exactly two women who have enough hair that they stayed on the homestead after the old man kicked it. And both of em do it because their neighbors help em out. And in both cases, the homestead is all the way run down. Like I said, they are both tough as nails just to stay, God bless em, but they can't really make it go. All the fences are failing, the roofs are gone, the stock is rough, if it is there at all, the pastures are getting way overgrown to brush, and all the machinery quit a long time ago... But the place is painted, the lawn is mowed, and the gardens are beautiful.
I get it all the way wrt a woman protecting her cubs (see here (http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_female.htm) with every respect). But naturally, the old man is dead or gone before it ever comes to that!
But even so, that is not war. No woman I know can take a forced march with an 80 lb pack. Heck, just taking a walk out in the bush with a woman slows a man down a ton. I can go roughly 2/3 of the way with a woman along, and I will be packing most of her crap.
It's alright - I don't mind it. It's just how it is. But this nonsense that a woman can do anything a man can do is sheer nonsense. And that goes the other way around too, btw. There are plenty of things a woman does better than a man.
They ain't equal, either way. They are different. And thank God for the difference. We ain't made to be the same. We're made to make up the difference for the other.
I agree completely. My husband is a professional firefighter and I will attest to the fact that we are different. At the same time, don’t @#$& with my cubs. My husband would be lethal, but I would play with you for a while.
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I agree completely. My husband is a professional firefighter and I will attest to the fact that we are different. At the same time, don’t @#$& with my cubs. My husband would be lethal, but I would play with you for a while.
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