Ah yes... the standard rant of the trumpette set... After crowing about how they initially didn't need the conservative vote to push Orange Glorious over the finish line, now anyone who doesn't back him is "cowardly" and "traitorous."
Screw that... got it?
The most egregious "traitorous" act of all was to foist a narcissistic, unprepared, insecure, emotionally and mentally unmoored, and UNELECTABLE blowhard into a once-winnable general election, knowing full well he would have his ass handed to him by Her Infernal Malevolence.
We warned you about Trump. He may be many things -- and all things greatness unto himself (just ask him) -- but presidential material he is most assuredly not. The blame for the coming debacle does NOT rest with those who oppose Trump. Rather, it rests with him and those backing him.
So give the pre-blaming exercises a rest. This isn't FR... that BS doesn't fly here.
Opposing fascism isn't moral cowardice; to the contrary, it's a moral imperative.:thumbsup:
This is funny. Trumpsters like Walsh and Hannity smell defeat so they're looking around for somebody else to blame besides themselves and Trump.@sinkspur
They are putting forth the preposterous notion that #NeverTrump, who couldn't stop Trump in a voting pool of 27 million, can suddenly now defeat him when there are 114 million voting. Look in the mirror, Trumpsters. You nominated him, you drag him across the finish line.
Enjoy the liberal Supreme Court appointed by Obama=Clinton.
Enjoy diminishing respect in the world, and continued civil disorder under Obama=Clinton.
Enjoy the liberal Supreme Court appointed by Obama=Clinton.
Enjoy diminishing respect in the world, and continued civil disorder under Obama=Clinton.
Enjoy the liberal Supreme Court appointed by Obama=Clinton.
Enjoy diminishing respect in the world, and continued civil disorder under Obama=Clinton.
If Trump wants my vote, he'll have to earn it. He can start that process with conservatism. Being better than Hillary is not just a low bar, it's a non-existent bar. A burning case of the clap is better than Hillary.
I am willing to vote for Trump, but he's going to have to give me something to vote for.
For the sake of argument, let’s stipulate that Donald Trump is what the small but obsessive, increasingly deracinated, band of “never Trumpers” says he is. He’s not a “movement conservative” – true. He’s often crass and vulgar – true. His quasi-grammatical flights of oratorical fancy often get him into trouble –also true. "Words matter" they remind him, while calling him a “witless ape,” a “white nationalist,” and -- most childishly -- a "turd-tornado," who’s “dark,” “condescending,” and a “lunatic,” to list some of the more printable epithets in the conservative press. (You can find plenty of the unprintables here, at Diana West's "Trump lexicon" link.)
Okay. Therefore… what?
Remember that his opponent in this fall’s presidential election is former secretary of state Hillary Clinton – a woman so breathtakingly corrupt and at the same time so unaccountably privileged that FBI Director James Comey practically indicted her on national television, and then declined to prosecute over her unauthorized and leaky private email server. As a profile in cowardice, Comey is tough to beat.
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https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2016/08/17/the-moral-cowardice-of-the-nevertrumpumpkins/
Opposing fascism isn't moral cowardice; to the contrary, it's a moral imperative.
If Trump wants my vote, he'll have to earn it. He can start that process with conservatism. Being better than Hillary is not just a low bar, it's a non-existent bar. A burning case of the clap is better than Hillary.
I am willing to vote for Trump, but he's going to have to give me something to vote for.
More man than most of us will ever be but the least I can do is try.
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Ah yes... the standard rant of the trumpette set... After crowing about how they initially didn't need the conservative vote to push Orange Glorious over the finish line, now anyone who doesn't back him is "cowardly" and "traitorous."
Screw that... got it?
The most egregious "traitorous" act of all was to team up with strategic-voting democrat crossovers to foist a narcissistic, unprepared, insecure, emotionally and mentally unmoored, and UNELECTABLE blowhard into a once-winnable general election, knowing full well he would have his ass handed to him by Her Infernal Malevolence.
We warned you about Trump. He may be many things -- and all things greatness unto himself (just ask him) -- but presidential material he is most assuredly not. The blame for the coming debacle does NOT rest with those who oppose Trump. Rather, it rests with him and those backing him.
So give the pre-blaming exercises a rest. This isn't FR... that BS doesn't fly here.
If Trump wants my vote, he'll have to earn it. He can start that process with conservatism. Being better than Hillary is not just a low bar, it's a non-existent bar. A burning case of the clap is better than Hillary.
I am willing to vote for Trump, but he's going to have to give me something to vote for.
Enjoy the liberal Supreme Court appointed by Obama=Clinton.
Enjoy diminishing respect in the world, and continued civil disorder under Obama=Clinton.
Enjoy the liberal Supreme Court appointed by Obama=Clinton.
Enjoy diminishing respect in the world, and continued civil disorder under Obama=Clinton.
But their only defense now is to pretend that ..."it's not me, it's them".
I wish liberals set the bar as high for their candidate as the folks here. Unfortunately, they will line up rank and file behind their corrupt candidate, and I'm worried that's who we'll be stuck with.
I'm glad the self-righteous anti-Trumpers are so well off that they can endure another 4 years of Obamacare. I can't. Not to mention if Hillary gets her way, we'll have amnesty for illegals, which will heavily tilt the political landscape towards the Dems. Ted Cruz won't have a chance in hell in 2020.
I wish liberals set the bar as high for their candidate as the folks here. Unfortunately, they will line up rank and file behind their corrupt candidate, and I'm worried that's who we'll be stuck with.
I'm glad the self-righteous anti-Trumpers are so well off that they can endure another 4 years of Obamacare. I can't. Not to mention if Hillary gets her way, we'll have amnesty for illegals, which will heavily tilt the political landscape towards the Dems. Ted Cruz won't have a chance in hell in 2020.
For the sake of argument, let’s stipulate that Donald Trump is what the small but obsessive, increasingly deracinated, band of “never Trumpers” says he is. He’s not a “movement conservative” – true. He’s often crass and vulgar – true. His quasi-grammatical flights of oratorical fancy often get him into trouble –also true. "Words matter" they remind him, while calling him a “witless ape,” a “white nationalist,” and -- most childishly -- a "turd-tornado," who’s “dark,” “condescending,” and a “lunatic,” to list some of the more printable epithets in the conservative press. (You can find plenty of the unprintables here, at Diana West's "Trump lexicon" link.)
Okay. Therefore… what?
Remember that his opponent in this fall’s presidential election is former secretary of state Hillary Clinton – a woman so breathtakingly corrupt and at the same time so unaccountably privileged that FBI Director James Comey practically indicted her on national television, and then declined to prosecute over her unauthorized and leaky private email server. As a profile in cowardice, Comey is tough to beat.
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https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2016/08/17/the-moral-cowardice-of-the-nevertrumpumpkins/
That's because Democrats always play to their base.
Maybe... Just maybe, Republicans should mimic Democrats.... Yes, yes, I know... They already are - Just look at what they offer as a candidate... But I mean in a different way.
Maybe Republicans should offer their base what they want, like the Democrats do. They might find out they'll win.
In the mean time, I will remain Conservative and vote for Conservatives. All this whining and crying and pitching a fit won't change that.
I wish liberals set the bar as high for their candidate as the folks here. Unfortunately, they will line up rank and file behind their corrupt candidate, and I'm worried that's who we'll be stuck with.
I'm glad the self-righteous anti-Trumpers are so well off that they can endure another 4 years of Obamacare. I can't. Not to mention if Hillary gets her way, we'll have amnesty for illegals, which will heavily tilt the political landscape towards the Dems. Ted Cruz won't have a chance in hell in 2020.
If Trump wants my vote, he'll have to earn it. He can start that process with conservatism. Being better than Hillary is not just a low bar, it's a non-existent bar. A burning case of the clap is better than Hillary.
I am willing to vote for Trump, but he's going to have to give me something to vote for.
Yep! Ears open, listening, and waiting for a reason to come over and commit.
And waiting....
And waiting...
Yep! Ears open, listening, and waiting for a reason to come over and commit.
And waiting....
And waiting...
WE warned YOU and those like you about Trump and the fact he is horrendously unqualified for the office of President. WE warned YOU and those like you he did not have a command of the majority of the general electorate like he did the plurality of GOP voters who aligned with strategically voting democrat crossovers. WE warned YOU and those like you that Trump, with his background, was a target-rich environment for the Clintons. WE warned YOU Trump was unelectable... and YOU deign to blame US?
So save the pontifications and use this time to reflect on the gross error YOU made by nominating someone who never had a possibility of winning in the first place, and by all indications, is perfectly fine with finishing in second place.
lol, you're trying to make it all so personal. I wasn't even a part of this forum, so you hardly warned ME. I also never said your vote wasn't important or needed.
Here's a great idea. I'll add you to my list of people to ignore, and you do the same.
Ditto here. I can still be persuaded by Trump to vote for him. But to actually GAIN my vote, he must show he DESERVES it. I would never cast a vote for Her Infernal Malevolence, but I sure as hell am over casting a vote for someone simply because he/she is the "lesser of two evils." That doesn't cut it anymore. So, impress me, Trump.
Reality is, Trump won with evangelicals, he won the South, and he won rural Appalachia - these groups are the base, and are consistently conservative.
You can't get everything you want in a Presidential candidate, but if you choose to not participate or vote third party, you'll get absolutely nothing.
If Hillary weren't the queen of corruption, or were more moderate like she used to be, I could understand abstention.
Trump doesn't have to "impress" me. I'd be satisfied if he exorcised the petulant 9 YO boy that's inside of him.
That's all...is that asking too much?
Trump doesn't have to "impress" me. I'd be satisfied if he exorcised the petulant 9 YO boy that's inside of him.
That's all...is that asking too much?
I wish liberals set the bar as high for their candidate as the folks here. Unfortunately, they will line up rank and file behind their corrupt candidate, and I'm worried that's who we'll be stuck with.
I'm glad the self-righteous anti-Trumpers are so well off that they can endure another 4 years of Obamacare. I can't. Not to mention if Hillary gets her way, we'll have amnesty for illegals, which will heavily tilt the political landscape towards the Dems. Ted Cruz won't have a chance in hell in 2020.
Asking and getting maturity are miles apart in the world and psyche of DJT. Al the dims have to do between now and November is continually bait him into gaffes, and it will be a cake walk. Trump is physically incapable of extracting his foot from his mouth.
With Trump, the nation will get daily/weekly "Twitter Wars."
So stop attempting to shame and ridicule us into supporting that which is anathema to us.
Except the Dem base wanted Bernie Sanders, but they're quickly lining up behind Hillary Clinton nonetheless.
The Republicans on the other hand can't agree on anything, which is par for the course.
Still, to suggest that the base didn't nominate Trump is not consistent with reality. Reality is, Trump won with evangelicals, he won the South, and he won rural Appalachia - these groups are the base, and are consistently conservative.
You can't get everything you want in a Presidential candidate, but if you choose to not participate or vote third party, you'll get absolutely nothing.
If Hillary weren't the queen of corruption, or were more moderate like she used to be, I could understand abstention.
I won't enjoy any of that, not one bit. But I'm still going to do the right thing.
This is the choice folks like you have given us, TS. I don't like it; I fought the good fight to prevent it, in large part because I know Clinton's every bit as corrupt and despicable as you say she is.
But, as of right now, she's the only one left with the means to defeat Trump.
Therefore ... What?
Therefore I can't in good conscience vote for him. He has poisoned the well with is lying and name calling and attacks on good conservatives. He sided with the GOPe against the TeaParty and conservatives. When he had the opportunity to mend fences, he doubled down and added insult to injury. He says he does not need conservatives and we know that the GOPe does not like conservatives. Fine, go ahead and win without us. I am going to go and build a place where conservatives are wanted, their ideas and ideals are respected.
The new "home" that I found is with the Constitution Party. Gone is the will to work within the GOP to try and change the party. I soldiered for over 20 years in the GOP, manning phone banks, and even serving as a Precinct Captain. No longer. The GOP is part of the problem. Good bye and good riddance.
Dude, I voted in California, not Pennsylvania. It was settled by California June 7th.
You should more appropriately focus your disdain on your fellow Pennsylvanian Republican primary voters, who gave the win to Trump with 56.7% versus runner up Cruz, with just 21.6%. Trump won every Penn county, by the way.
You and "folks like you" failed. Failed to sell your candidates in YOUR STATE on April 16th when the national race was not settled.
I decided early on that Trump was the only candidate showing enough metabolism and fight, to defeat a democrat this time. I still do.
So keep on defending your support for Hillary, your oft stated intention or willingness to vote for her. "Folks like you" fall into a category on this site, as phony "conservatives" because you take the liberal side of most topics.
Your moderate GOP Establishment is so inept, it got started with 17 candidates, and it was downhill from there. Let me know when you have a plan for ANYTHING, which brings about better border security, better immigration screening, etc.
Keep right on talking down to Trump supporters. But realize this: You cannot win anything, anywhere without them.
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/pennsylvania
"YOU" in a general sense... as a group. And I did not say YOU specifically said my vote wasn't important or needed. What you specifically DID do however, was to impugn those who have doubts about Trump, his ability to lead, his ever-shifting policy positions, his intentions to win and his ability to win.
Put me on ignore? Hey, go for it. Great tool there, no?
I'm perfectly comfortable with my conservative credentials, TS. Now my brand of conservatism derives from Goldwater, Reagan and Kemp, and I'll be the first to admit my kind's a dying breed. But I'm not a racialist anti-immigrant xenophobe like Trump and his alt-right supporters, and I will continue to fight the hostile takeover of my party by that breed.
Enjoy the liberal Supreme Court appointed by Obama=Clinton.
Enjoy diminishing respect in the world, and continued civil disorder under Obama=Clinton.
they demand a rules change after the game is over, and refuse to accept the results.
Is that how you'd have voted in the 1932... in Europe.
I won't enjoy any of that, not one bit. But I'm still going to do the right thing.
This is the choice folks like you have given us, TS. I don't like it; I fought the good fight to prevent it, in large part because I know Clinton's every bit as corrupt and despicable as you say she is.
But, as of right now, she's the only one left with the means to defeat Trump.
I'm going to continue to post my opinion, and I don't care if you like it. Ignore me if you want.
Dude, I voted in California, not Pennsylvania. It was settled by California June 7th.
You should more appropriately focus your disdain on your fellow Pennsylvanian Republican primary voters, who gave the win to Trump with 56.7% versus runner up Cruz, with just 21.6%. Trump won every Penn county, by the way.
You and "folks like you" failed. Failed to sell your candidates in YOUR STATE on April 16th when the national race was not settled.
I decided early on that Trump was the only candidate showing enough metabolism and fight, to defeat a democrat this time. I still do.
So keep on defending your support for Hillary, your oft stated intention or willingness to vote for her. "Folks like you" fall into a category on this site, as phony "conservatives" because you take the liberal side of most topics.
Your moderate GOP Establishment is so inept, it got started with 17 candidates, and it was downhill from there. Let me know when you have a plan for ANYTHING, which brings about better border security, better immigration screening, etc.
Keep right on talking down to Trump supporters. But realize this: You cannot win anything, anywhere without them.
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/pennsylvania
I wish liberals set the bar as high for their candidate as the folks here. Unfortunately, they will line up rank and file behind their corrupt candidate, and I'm worried that's who we'll be stuck with.
I'm glad the self-righteous anti-Trumpers are so well off that they can endure another 4 years of Obamacare. I can't. Not to mention if Hillary gets her way, we'll have amnesty for illegals, which will heavily tilt the political landscape towards the Dems. Ted Cruz won't have a chance in hell in 2020.
Is that how you'd have voted in the 1932... in Europe.You are an easy pushover. No wonder college took 20 years.
Sadly, my most concerning issue is the $17T debt debacle that our government got us into. Fiscal conservatism is 95% of my voting psyche.
Neither candidate thinks it matters by the rhetoric on expanding government.
That's pretty much how I see it, truth seeker. I've heard jazz head in the past say that he would even vote for Hillary to avoid voting for Trump.
You are an easy pushover. No wonder college took 20 years.
My father and my father-in-law earned Purple Hearts in service during WWII.
I wasn't in Europe. My ancestors have served in EVERY conflict since before the American Revolution. I served when called. When I served in Germany, I was appointed to chair a study group, on race relations. My superiors valued my maturity and insight, even as e 22 year old enlisted soldier.
My wife is the daughter and granddaughter, of a legal immigrants. Legal as in LEGAL. Several in our extended families are intermarried with Hispanics, Asians, a black, etc.
Your service and credentials, in behalf of this country?
Your idiotic but continual calls of racism only paint you as an sore loser. But I can see here, day in and day out, it is the sole concept you post about.
You are an easy pushover. No wonder college took 20 years.
My father and my father-in-law earned Purple Hearts in service during WWII.
I wasn't in Europe. My ancestors have served in EVERY conflict since before the American Revolution. I served when called. When I served in Germany, I was appointed to chair a study group, on race relations. My superiors valued my maturity and insight, even as e 22 year old enlisted soldier.
My wife is the daughter and granddaughter, of a legal immigrants. Legal as in LEGAL. Several in our extended families are intermarried with Hispanics, Asians, a black, etc.
Your service and credentials, in behalf of this country?
Your idiotic but continual calls of racism only paint you as an sore loser. But I can see here, day in and day out, it is the sole concept you post about.
Expect to get a bunch of "oh well, you picked a horrible candidate" and other assorted horse manure to cover their asses.
Don't blame me, I voted for Hindenberg. :shrug:
'Cover our asses'????
NeverTrumps are very proud, very open and very vocal about our opposition to your prince. We have no need to cover up our choice to oppose your nominee - because we have no part or portion in the Trojan Stalking Horse you hitched your wagon to. He is all yours.
The only folks 'covering their asses' are those of you re-explaining everything Trump says and playing Apologists for that turd prince of yours.
You are an easy pushover. No wonder college took 20 years.Some of my ancestors were here before you white illegal immigrants showed up. Just saying...
My father and my father-in-law earned Purple Hearts in service during WWII.
I wasn't in Europe. My ancestors have served in EVERY conflict since before the American Revolution. I served when called. When I served in Germany, I was appointed to chair a study group, on race relations. My superiors valued my maturity and insight, even as e 22 year old enlisted soldier.
My wife is the daughter and granddaughter, of a legal immigrants. Legal as in LEGAL. Several in our extended families are intermarried with Hispanics, Asians, a black, etc.
Your service and credentials, in behalf of this country?
Your idiotic but continual calls of racism only paint you as an sore loser. But I can see here, day in and day out, it is the sole concept you post about.
Wow, those are some righteous creds you've got. I can see now why your opinion of who everyone should vote for is more legitimate than everyone else's. :PVariation on the old I'm not racist, why some of my best friends are x.
Zeppelin for me. Not my fault either.
Some of my ancestors were here before you white illegal immigrants showed up. Just saying...
What makes you think that I do not have native American ancestry, too ??
Well, I don't have anything but Swedish in me, and that doesn't mean I have any less American credentials than you do.OMG you just crack me up ML :mauslaff: Where do you get this sh8t from? Thanks I needed a good laugh. :seeya:
The idea that you have more authority here in this country because of your pedigree belies everything this country stands for.
Your braggadocio reveals your lack of understanding of what this country was founded on.
Your braggadocio reveals your lack of understanding of what this country was founded on.
OMG you just crack me up ML :mauslaff: Where do you get this sh8t from? Thanks I needed a good laugh. :seeya:
Me, I am but a Simple Bricklayer. The second best one evah.. but a Simple Bricklayer non the less. 8888forgot
Ungh... Two things I have endeavored never to do again: Cleaning concrete forms, and haulin' hod. I salute you, but none for me thx...
OMG you just crack me up ML :mauslaff: Where do you get this sh8t from? Thanks I needed a good laugh. :seeya:
Obviously.....the point she was making whooshed right on over your little head. But it's nice that you can laugh about it. It's pretty much 'all' you can do, in fact.
I ask again.......... what happened to the flowers who used to use your name? What happened to the nice person who used to post here?
Where did she go??
(That is a dead serious question, @flowers ).
It IS trumpanian though...... Braggadocio. I see why they connect.
Me, I am but a Simple Bricklayer. The second best one evah.. but a Simple Bricklayer non the less. 8888forgot
I'll take.."trump Poisoning" for $500.00
It's not laughter, it's derision.
It's Trump "humor." It's Obama "humor." It's leftist "humor." It's devoid of intellect and character.
But you're right. It's all they have......
I wish you had known some of these people before they were poisoned. I had so much in common with them. The same values for the most part; the ability to carry on civil conversations....
They really have been poisoned by this mad man.
I hope they come back when this election is all over. I miss the people I thought I knew.....
And it's the only semblance and/or substitute they ever have for humor....is when they are mocking others...
a la Trump-style....all the way.
I posit that perhaps they were never 'nice people' before Trump. They just took the easiest path....that being it's much easier to take the low road than to stick to your values, assuming that they ever had any values to stick to.
I am sad and dismayed that a friend I've had for 30 years, more like a sister, has now leaped upon the Trump Train because the false prophets Copelands claim he's God's "chosen one" to save America.
Good grief. How stupid could folks be.
I think some of them did. I think @flowers did, though I don't really know.
At any rate, I am unfazed by her mockery. She hasn't posted a decent thing to me in months. Just nasty derision, and piling on when her bosom buddy posts lies and derision about me.
I just feel badly that she seemingly has turned her back on the values she seemed to have before Trump grabbed her.
It's just sad to see someone go down hill so fast and so far...
They have been deceived by a con man. They aren't the first, and they won't be the last.
It truly is sad to watch it happen though.
I'm sorry you've lost a friend. No sleazy politician should have that kind of power over a person's soul.
Perhaps they are beginning to suspect, like we have known all along, that they've been "had" by the master con-artist, The Don. About frickin time, if so. But the lashing out at those of us that warned them won't help and won't change a damned thing about the impending disaster.
Perhaps they are beginning to suspect, like we have known all along, that they've been "had" by the master con-artist, The Don. About frickin time, if so. But the lashing out at those of us that warned them won't help and won't change a damned thing about the impending disaster.
I wish you had known some of these people before they were poisoned. I had so much in common with them. The same values for the most part; the ability to carry on civil conversations....
They really have been poisoned by this mad man.
I hope they come back when this election is all over. I miss the people I thought I knew.....
Hopefully right.
My two best friends have succumbed. One is now estranged...by his choice. The other... only by setting aside politics, is this friendship holding.
It is a maddness they are afflicted with. Even in winning that cannot concentrate on the real opponent..Hillary. They have trump rabies, instead of hydrophobia... it is Cruzaphobia.
They won't get it even after he's turned on them and proven how empty all of his promises were. LIVs think elections are reality TV, and Trumpkins are the epitome of LIVs.
It's not laughter, it's derision.
It's Trump "humor." It's Obama "humor." It's leftist "humor." It's devoid of intellect and character.
But you're right. It's all they have......
Enjoy the liberal Supreme Court appointed by Obama=Clinton.
Enjoy diminishing respect in the world, and continued civil disorder under Obama=Clinton.
And that's the thing. It's not that I'm losing a friend. I will probably try to stick by her, nevertheless. It's the fact that thanks to the frauds like the Copelands, she may be in danger of losing her soul. That's why Jesus warned about those false prophets in the end days. I just never thought it would hit someone I knew for that long and that well (or thought I did).
Yeah........ their hatred for Cruz and fixation on him is weird. I don't get it.
The only time they talk about Hillary seems to be when they're falsely accusing US of supporting her.
It's all weird...
I expect to see Rod Serling on TV and hear the Twilight Zone theme song.......
probably is child abuse at some point.
(http://content.screencast.com/users/Fantomou/folders/Jing/media/0e4209da-8195-4b2a-a43c-0427eef4d063/00000306.png) ... Picture yourself in the land of the Demented, a place where reason was eliminated for the Insanity of Deity. Where otherwise sane people have lost all control... mindlessly following...... (http://content.screencast.com/users/Fantomou/folders/Jing/media/53d0ebf1-05b4-431d-80c4-6b2cb59be6df/00000307.png)............ The Trump Zone........ (http://content.screencast.com/users/Fantomou/folders/Jing/media/3b9bdc01-7a97-4bb9-9e24-05ca4006d4f8/00000308.png)
Except the Dem base wanted Bernie Sanders, but they're quickly lining up behind Hillary Clinton nonetheless. The Republicans on the other hand can't agree on anything, which is par for the course. Still, to suggest that the base didn't nominate Trump is not consistent with reality. Reality is, Trump won with evangelicals, he won the South, and he won rural Appalachia - these groups are the base, and are consistently conservative. You can't get everything you want in a Presidential candidate, but if you choose to not participate or vote third party, you'll get absolutely nothing.
If Hillary weren't the queen of corruption, or were more moderate like she used to be, I could understand abstention.
Hillary was smart enough not to threaten to primary Sanders and alienate his supporters.
Trump was really, really dumb. Just maybe he's the author of his own popularity problems.
If Trump/Clinton gets in the outcome will be the same. Those who vote for Trump/Clinton ARE responsible and no one else!This is the reality check i was looking for. 888high58888
Variation on the old I'm not racist, why some of my best friends are x.
I don't see much "selling" of the candidate, I do see a lot of abusing the "irrelevant" segment of the base. Why is that? Why can't the Trump supporters "sell" him to me? Are his positive attributes that rare?Because we have already seen through the entire song and dance, and none of that bullsh*t fooled us. Their magazine is empty, they don't have a reload. I suspect Banzai charges with pointy sticks are next.
But his was classic Eric Hoffer - the Angry Gesture; the raised middle finger.
I see you're still pushing that old slander, AC. Listen up - I supported John Kasich, in large part because he was the most likely candidate to defeat Clinton, and create the conditions to effect conservative change. You, on the other hand, stubbornly have supported the one candidate almost certain to not only lose, but hand the whole damn federal government over to the Dems.
You reap what you sow, AC. Stop whining over those of us who won't drink the Kool-Aid.
Fanaticism is never pretty. No matter the side or the person.:hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands:
First we had a whole bunch of psychologically-needy people form a cult around a VERY flawed candidate - a political operative and supposed "developer" with no dirt on his hands but a full-and-fast Rolodex. Huge amount of money and no demonstration how or why. But his was classic Eric Hoffer - the Angry Gesture; the raised middle finger.
Okay, that's different. But we saw HOW different when he showed he didn't understand where stand-up ended and slander began. Or that a run for political office is not a popularity contest; that somewhere along the way, you have to take positions and communicate them.
Didn't matter. The cultists had their Golden Calf. And they pushed him forward and cheered, in some cases helped, the stalking-horse gin the vote tally. And every time the Orange Julius did NOT get his way, we got a tantrum that would make Barry Dunham-Soetoro blush.
They got their way. With a very loud, very uncouth, rich-from-graft-kickbacks CIPHER. Stands for NOTHING.
And now for this, we have to endure the threats and the shaming, the claimed moral high ground, by these worshippers of the Golden Calf. The same supposed Conservatives who were offered a near-ideal candidate, with several strong-but-lesser choices...now THEY try to shame OTHERS into this.
No. It's the CANDIDATE'S JOB to sell his program. And this candidate isn't going to be able to sell Smoot-Hawley to informed voters. He's not going to be able to sell Porkulus II, the MOAR MONEY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE plan, to those of us who remember past last week. He's not going to get my vote with another round of beating up his strawman, his Emmanuel Goldstein, Cruz.
He has to work for it. Work HARD; because the nation is in only slightly-less destructive hands should he win.
You trumpies want to talk about MORAL? The MORAL thing to do would be to demand this slimy loud Tammany errand-boy to STEP DOWN. No, not some cute "replacement" plan that puts Shrub in there. Get God the Donald to do it himself. Step down and let Pence run with it.
Last exit off. If you don't do it, don't demand it...the coming wreck is on YOUR heads.
Is that how you'd have voted in the 1932... in Europe.
Unfortunately, there are few Republicans of any stripe anymore who are willing to be budget hawks. That's the kind of old-school conservatism that isn't in style anymore. The only candidate this year who had a track record as a budget hawk was John Kasich, and I'm proud to say I supported him.
(http://content.screencast.com/users/Fantomou/folders/Jing/media/0e4209da-8195-4b2a-a43c-0427eef4d063/00000306.png) ... Picture yourself in the land of the Demented, a place where reason was eliminated for the Insanity of Deity. Where otherwise sane people have lost all control... mindlessly following...... (http://content.screencast.com/users/Fantomou/folders/Jing/media/53d0ebf1-05b4-431d-80c4-6b2cb59be6df/00000307.png)............ The Trump Zone........ (http://content.screencast.com/users/Fantomou/folders/Jing/media/3b9bdc01-7a97-4bb9-9e24-05ca4006d4f8/00000308.png)
I expect to see Rod Serling on TV and hear the Twilight Zone theme song.......
You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension - a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You've just crossed over into the Twilight Zone!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y
Hillary was smart enough not to threaten to primary Sanders and alienate his supporters.
Trump was really, really dumb. Just maybe he's the author of his own popularity problems.
Opposing fascism isn't moral cowardice; to the contrary, it's a moral imperative.
Fanaticism is never pretty. No matter the side or the person.
First we had a whole bunch of psychologically-needy people form a cult around a VERY flawed candidate - a political operative and supposed "developer" with no dirt on his hands but a full-and-fast Rolodex. Huge amount of money and no demonstration how or why. But his was classic Eric Hoffer - the Angry Gesture; the raised middle finger.
Okay, that's different. But we saw HOW different when he showed he didn't understand where stand-up ended and slander began. Or that a run for political office is not a popularity contest; that somewhere along the way, you have to take positions and communicate them.
Didn't matter. The cultists had their Golden Calf. And they pushed him forward and cheered, in some cases helped, the stalking-horse gin the vote tally. And every time the Orange Julius did NOT get his way, we got a tantrum that would make Barry Dunham-Soetoro blush.
They got their way. With a very loud, very uncouth, rich-from-graft-kickbacks CIPHER. Stands for NOTHING.
And now for this, we have to endure the threats and the shaming, the claimed moral high ground, by these worshippers of the Golden Calf. The same supposed Conservatives who were offered a near-ideal candidate, with several strong-but-lesser choices...now THEY try to shame OTHERS into this.
No. It's the CANDIDATE'S JOB to sell his program. And this candidate isn't going to be able to sell Smoot-Hawley to informed voters. He's not going to be able to sell Porkulus II, the MOAR MONEY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE plan, to those of us who remember past last week. He's not going to get my vote with another round of beating up his strawman, his Emmanuel Goldstein, Cruz.
He has to work for it. Work HARD; because the nation is in only slightly-less destructive hands should he win.
You trumpies want to talk about MORAL? The MORAL thing to do would be to demand this slimy loud Tammany errand-boy to STEP DOWN. No, not some cute "replacement" plan that puts Shrub in there. Get God the Donald to do it himself. Step down and let Pence run with it.
Last exit off. If you don't do it, don't demand it...the coming wreck is on YOUR heads.
Yeah........ their hatred for Cruz and fixation on him is weird. I don't get it.
The only time they talk about Hillary seems to be when they're falsely accusing US of supporting her.
It's all weird...
I expect to see Rod Serling on TV and hear the Twilight Zone theme song.......
Considering the freaks running I was think more of:Pretty close...
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Considering the freaks running I was think more of:
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I see that they are connecting with Trump, but what I wonder is, were they all this mean and arrogant before Trump and hid it from us, or has he changed them from nice people to nasty?
Anyone saying "Vote for the lesser of two evils" needs to stop saying "God bless America." God will never bless evil, regardless of whatever you tell yourself to justify your actions.
For the sake of argument, let’s stipulate that Donald Trump is what the small but obsessive, increasingly deracinated, band of “never Trumpers” says he is. He’s not a “movement conservative” – true. He’s often crass and vulgar – true. His quasi-grammatical flights of oratorical fancy often get him into trouble –also true. . . .
Okay. Therefore… what?
Thanks Chae, exactly how I feel. Sometimes I think am one of the few social conservatives left in America and when I run across posts like yours my heart delights.
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