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Milo Yiannopoulos seduced conservatives. And now they're paying the price.
By Shikha Dalmia
02/21/2017
Milo Yiannopoulos has finally gone too far.
The lightning rod Breitbart News editor was dumped by the Conservative Political Action Conference and Simon & Schuster on Monday, following the surfacing of videos in which Yiannapoulos seemed to condone pedophilia. And it's true, this was awful behavior from Yiannopoulos. But it's hardly the first — and probably not even the 10,000th — awful thing he's said or done.
The University of California, Berkeley, is still smoldering from the violent rampage triggered by the appearance of the hate-mongering Breitbart News editor. And at least until this latest controversy, college Republicans, who organized the Berkeley event, were vowing to invite him back (along with right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones) to deliver his aborted address.
That it took these pedophilia comments for conservatives to finally turn on Yiannopoulos speaks volumes about how low their movement has fallen. Yiannopoulos was a hate-peddling provocateur long before this. By inviting him to speak at universities around the country, many college Republicans apparently thought they were taking a brave stance against the forces of political correctness, and scoring one for free speech. In fact, they were discrediting their own movement by allying themselves with a vicious troll — demonstrating that they hate their enemies more than they love their alleged principles.
Read more at:
http://theweek.com/articles/679992/milo-yiannopoulos-seduced-conservatives-now-theyre-paying-price (http://theweek.com/articles/679992/milo-yiannopoulos-seduced-conservatives-now-theyre-paying-price)
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He didn't seduce me. I've been warning about him all along.
Tammy Bruce could speak at CPAC and few of us would have any problem with it simply because she doesn't make her sexuality the central issue of all she does,
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I'm not seeing what price is being paid. He was a temporarily ally making valid points about leftists who silence their opposition, and now he's discredited himself. The only one who seems to be worse off for that is him.
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demonstrating that they hate their enemies more than they love their alleged principles.
Yup. In their desire to prod at their political enemies they are neglecting their principles. In fact it goes well beyond Milo.
Every time I see some idiot saying "I don't care for Trump but I like watching him put the media in their place" I want to smack them.
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by Ramesh Ponnuru March 17, 2015 7:13 PM @rameshponnuru
Shikha Dalmia has in the past written factually inaccurate criticisms of the “reform conservative” movement and the Lee-Rubio tax plan, and I have pointed out the inaccuracies. She has come back with a nearly-2400-word essay at Reason’s website accusing me of “nitpicking” her and evading the deeply important issues that she and others have raised. (In fact, I have responded to most of the very articles to which she links.)
Dalmia, in her first column on these subjects, had supported her characterization of Senator Mike Lee as a fan of big government by saying that he had sponsored legislation to require employers to offer flextime. This was incorrect. When this was pointed out to her, she changed the text of her column to say that the legislation would require flextime as part of collective-bargaining agreements. This was also incorrect. Dalmia apparently thought that this example was a sufficiently strong illustration of her thesis to include in her article. I thought it was therefore worth pointing out that she was completely wrong about it. (She apparently disagrees, as that second false claim is still posted at The Week.) This may be the sort of correction that Dalmia considers “nitpicking.” I think that before we argue about whether to praise or damn Mike Lee’s tendencies toward big government, we should figure out the extent to which he even has them–by, for example, actually bothering to look at the language of the bill we’re talking about. If some deep philosophical point is built on a factual mistake, then maybe it’s not a point worth debating.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/415563/shikha-dalmia-and-troubling-questions-ramesh-ponnuru
Consider the source. Whatever can give the never Trumpers, a sense of sanctimony, go for it.
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He didn't seduce me. I've been warning about him all along.
Tammy Bruce could speak at CPAC and few of us would have any problem with it simply because she doesn't make her sexuality the central issue of all she does,
@Cripplecreek
I have a conservative friend who just loves him. I've known her for fifteen years. She went silent on me a few days ago....haven't heard from her.
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I'm not seeing what price is being paid. He was a temporarily ally making valid points about leftists who silence their opposition, and now he's discredited himself. The only one who seems to be worse off for that is him.
@Maj. Bill Martin
Isn't it obvious? Credibility and integrity.
He was never any kind of ally. He's a poseur and a provocateur....he admitted it was all "performance art."
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Consider the source. Whatever can give the never Trumpers, a sense of sanctimony, go for it.
@TomSea
That's the New Bubble Way, right? This, therefore nothing she says can ever be right. She's not an approved source. It's completely simple-minded thinking. Critical thought becomes unnecessary.
If you think that recognizing a pederast for what he is amounts to sanctimony, you have problems.
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They rally around Milo and defend him, even if he does support pederasty only because he seems to support "Daddy" Trump.
It is truly the only criteria they have.
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@CatherineofAragon
Yiannapolis didn't just discredit himself. The mere fact of inviting him in the first place discredits CPAC and its parent
the ACU, a point that seems to be missed by some but certainly not by others . . .
CPAC’s Milo Disgrace
Editorial, National Review— February 20, 2017
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445080/cpac-milo-yiannopoulos-invitation-disgraceful-mistake
The Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), organized by the American Conservative Union, is regularly the
most anticipated event on the conservative calendar. Although it has become increasingly circus-like in recent years, it remains
the year’s foremost gathering of conservative activists, several days of speakers normally include leading officeholders, and it is
considered a testing ground for prospective presidential candidates.
Over the weekend, CPAC invited Milo Yiannopoulos to speak at this year’s event, happening later this week in Maryland. Of late,
Yiannopoulos, a “tech editor” for Breitbart News, has been a regular guest on college campuses and a constant source of irritation
to campus liberals. Recently, the University of California–Berkeley greeted his arrival with riots. Despite the fact that Yiannopoulos
holds a number of noxious opinions, we have defended his right to air them against those who would shout him down or worse.
CPAC is different. The annual event helps to define and broadcast the priorities of grassroots conservatives. Whatever Yiannopoulos’s
politics, they are not conservative in any meaningful sense. Indeed, Yiannopoulos has said so himself. Appearing on HBO’s Bill
Maher Show just last week, Yiannopoulos said that he was not sure he would call himself conservative.
What Yiannopoulos has called himself is a “chronicler of, and occasional fellow traveler with, the alt-right,” that various group of
“reactionaries,” ethno-nationalists, white supremacists, and others, who have set themselves against Reagan-style conservatism
and who have developed a robust online presence over the last year. The latter is in no small part thanks to Yiannopoulos, who
wrote an essay largely praising the alt-right last spring; according to him, the alt-right is generally composed of “dangerously bright”
“intellectuals” and “mischievous” “rebels.” While Yiannopoulos has tried to distance himself from Richard Spencer and other, more
unabashed white nationalists, he has had no qualms making common cause with the hordes of Twitter users who photoshop Jewish
conservative writers into ovens. Yiannopoulos — who has himself hurled anti-Semitic slurs (he recently described a Jewish BuzzFeed
reporter as “a typical example of a sort of thick-as-pig s**t media Jew”), and who helped to popularize the term “cuckservative”
— defends himself against charges of bigotry by reminding everyone that he has Jewish ancestry and is gay. The latter is part of
his excuse for defending pederasty on a podcast in September 2015, then again during an interview in January 2016. Recordings
of those statements were unearthed this weekend, shortly after CPAC’s announcement.
On Monday morning, the ACU cited those recordings as its reason for rescinding Yiannopoulos’s invitation. But that Yiannopoulos
did not have a place at CPAC, or at any forum that describes itself as “conservative,” should have been obvious from the start.
Instead, the ACU put conservatives in a no-win situation. Had they permitted him to speak, it would have been considered a tacit
endorsement of his opinions. Now, having rescinded his invitation, CPAC will be portrayed by Yiannopoulos’s many fans as one more
organ of leftist-style speech-policing. Whatever happens later this week, CPAC has diminished true conservatism’s appeal.
It has become fashionable in conservative circles to cheer every apparently right-leaning gadfly. But “trolling” is not conservatism,
and there is no virtue merely in upsetting campus Democrats. There are many conservatives who do regular battle with left-wing
agitators — but who also are of high character, and advance conservative arguments and defend conservative principles with poise,
wit, and good cheer. If CPAC wants to highlight the challenges for conservatives on campus, there are dozens of respectable options.
The alt-right and its “fellow travelers,” meanwhile, openly detest the “conservatism” that the ACU was founded to defend. CPAC should
have taken them at their word.
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I'm not seeing what price is being paid. He was a temporarily ally making valid points about leftists who silence their opposition, and now he's discredited himself. The only one who seems to be worse off for that is him.
I don't think so.
Milo will forever be associated with Trump and Trump will be forever associated with being a "Conservative".
And so too will CPAC and the rest.
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@EasyAce
Yiannapolis didn't just discredit himself. The mere fact of inviting him in the first place discredits CPAC and its parent
the ACU, a point that seems to be missed by some but certainly not by others . . .
Very true. Considering that CPAC is supposed to speak for conservatives, he was a shameful choice.
Good article.
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@EasyAce
Very true. Considering that CPAC is supposed to speak for conservatives, he was a shameful choice.
Good article.
CPAC has been a target of some decidedly non conservative groups in recent years. A few years ago there was a blow up over atheist groups not being allowed to speak at CPAC. A few years before that George Soros managed to sponsor both sides of a debate on Marijuana policy at CPAC.
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@CatherineofAragon
Yiannapolis didn't just discredit himself. The mere fact of inviting him in the first place discredits CPAC and its parent
the ACU, a point that seems to be missed by some but certainly not by others . . .
Exactly right.
What were they thinking?
What were they hoping to achieve?
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Exactly right.
What were they thinking?
What were they hoping to achieve?
I think they achieved their goal when they got the anti PC conservatives to start screaming "Homophobia" at those of us who warned that Yiannopoulos was trouble.
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If memory serves me correctly, didn't Milo make a statement that one of *their* goals as Liberal Homosexuals, was to infiltrate and take over the GOP?
I know the Liberal Democrats have done a good job of that.
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If memory serves me correctly, didn't Milo make a statement that one of *their* goals as Liberal Homosexuals, was to infiltrate and take over the GOP?
I know the Liberal Democrats have done a good job of that.
Other than being gay Milo is hardcore conservative, strong 2nd amend supporter and strong Catholic. He has been conservative all his life.
I know plenty of gay conservatives. Not all gays are the same.
@INVAR
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Milo will forever be associated with Trump and Trump will be forever associated with being a "Conservative".
Are you familiar with the fallacy of the undistributed middle?
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I'm not aware of too many Conservatives or even GOP'ers that were excited about this fruit or even cared what he was up too. Milo is a figment of the Alt-Rights dreams of mainstream respectability that wasn't based in reality.
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Other than being gay Milo is hardcore conservative, strong 2nd amend supporter and strong Catholic. He has been conservative all his life.
I know plenty of gay conservatives. Not all gays are the same.
@INVAR
@mirraflake
He's such a strong Catholic that he gives his former priest credit for his own oral sex skills.
When it serves him, he's Jewish.
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@mirraflake
He's such a strong Catholic that he gives his former priest credit for his own oral sex skills.
When it serves him, he's Jewish.
Watch this: Regarding Catholics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5q4u1nE6tI
Milo has been a strong Catholic for years and never have I heard him say anything bad about Jews or Israel. As a matter of fact he is a huge supporter of Jews and Israel.
He wears two crosses because he said he is a sinner and needs the extra help from God.
@CatherineofAragon
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Looks like mirraflake has him some man love for Milo. :pondering:
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Looks like mirraflake has him some man love for Milo. :pondering:
We are both darn good looking and smart.
@Wingnut
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Looks like mirraflake has him some man love for Milo. :pondering:
Impossible. As Mirrorflake said, Milo is a devout Catholics and they are not a big fan of the gays.
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@mirraflake
He's such a strong Catholic that he gives his former priest credit for his own oral sex skills.
When it serves him, he's Jewish.
Apparently antisemitic tweets are fine if you can claim to be part Jewish. lol
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Apparently antisemitic tweets are fine if you can claim to be part Jewish. lol
Show me one anti semitic tweet from Milo
@geronl
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We are both darn good looking and smart.
@Wingnut
....and prance around in dresses and sleep with black dudes.
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....and prance around in dresses and sleep with black dudes.
He's a lumberjack and he's OK.
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@mirraflake
He's such a strong Catholic that he gives his former priest credit for his own oral sex skills.
When it serves him, he's Jewish.
@CatherineofAragon @mirraflake
Interesting old segment with him here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm8QCUpFPrg
(yes, that's Boy George, and the best comedian of all time, David Mitchell)
He walks a tightrope.
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Show me one anti semitic tweet from Milo
@geronl
Some references thereto: http://www.dailywire.com/news/5751/breitbart-renegade-jews-and-anti-semitic-wing-ben-shapiro
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He's a lumberjack and he's OK.
He's limber, Jack, and that's OK
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Show me one anti semitic tweet from Milo
@geronl
He's not anti-Semetic. He is just your garden variety racist piece of shit pansy....
(http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2016/05/19/19-milo-tweet.nocrop.w536.h2147483647.2x.jpg)
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Yiannopoulos told fans at Minnesota State University that Joe Bernstein, a media writer at BuzzFeed News, represents “a typical example of a sort of thick-as-pig shit media Jew, who has all these sort of right, P.C. politics.”
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Yiannopoulos told fans at Minnesota State University that Joe Bernstein, a media writer at BuzzFeed News, represents “a typical example of a sort of thick-as-pig shit media Jew, who has all these sort of right, P.C. politics.”
He was criticizing ultra radical left wing liberal Jews not the Jewish people or the religion. He is right. He was criticizing liberal Jews like Lena Dunham, Sarah Silverman and put Joe Bernstein in the same category
@geronl
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He was criticizing ultra radical left wing liberal Jews not the Jewish people or the religion. He is right. He was criticizing liberal Jews like Lena Dunham, Sarah Silverman and put Joe Bernstein in the same category
@geronl
Calling out someone for their religion/race/ethnicity instead of arguing the issue is generally considered Racist/Anti-Semitic.
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He was criticizing ultra radical left wing liberal Jews not the Jewish people or the religion. He is right. He was criticizing liberal Jews like Lena Dunham, Sarah Silverman and put Joe Bernstein in the same category
@geronl
@mirraflake
@geronl and @Frank Cannon have the better argument here. The statement quoted by geronl is anti-Semitic on its face.
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The tweet about Shapiro was racist and antisemitic
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Calling out someone for their religion/race/ethnicity instead of arguing the issue is generally considered Racist/Anti-Semitic.
They certainly do fit the stereotype. Which, by definition, must contain more than a kernel of truth.
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Stop it!
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The tweet about Shapiro was racist and antisemitic
How was it antisemitic? Are we so PC correct we can't take a joke?
@geronl
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How was it antisemitic? Are we so PC correct we can't take a joke?
@geronl
It wasn't a joke.
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Calling out someone for their religion/race/ethnicity instead of arguing the issue is generally considered Racist/Anti-Semitic.
If you read the whole thing by Milo he was pointing out Hollywood, The banks/finance and the media is all run by far left liberal Jews. How is that racist when it is 100% fact?
@Frank Cannon
@DCPatriot
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Other than being gay Milo is hardcore conservative, strong 2nd amend supporter and strong Catholic. He has been conservative all his life.
I know plenty of gay conservatives. Not all gays are the same.
Milo is a hardcore homosexual by his own admission and his lifestyle is condemned by Catholic doctrine and teaching as sinful. That he is pro-2nd Amendment is immaterial and does not a Conservative in the mold of Reagan make.
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If you read the whole thing by Milo he was pointing out Hollywood, The banks/finance and the media is all run by far left liberal Jews. How is that racist when it is 100% fact?
@Frank Cannon
@DCPatriot
No argument from me... 888high58888
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Only a person of low moral qualities could or would be sucked into defending Milo.
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Only a person of low moral qualities could or would be sucked into defending Milo.
Please...don't use "sucked" and "Milo" in the same sentence. Thank you.
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You are all being sucker punched by the left and attacking Milo. You are useful idiots of the far left and don't even know it.
Look what Leslie Jones said about Jews and white people and no one said a word. All Milo said about Leslie Jones was she looked like a black man and her movie sucked. I have said Lena Dunham is a fat pig does not make me anti Jewish.
Sean Hannity is right. Conservatives eat their own.
(http://i.imgur.com/TviT4YM.png)
@Frank Cannon
@Wingnut
@EC
@Oceander
@geronl
@DCPatriot
@INVAR
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Only a person of low moral qualities could or would be sucked into defending Milo.
Lol and you made the comment on this site you would in these exact terms to a certain woman "bang her like a screen door in a hurricane". Hypocrite.
@Wingnut
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Milo is a hardcore homosexual by his own admission and his lifestyle is condemned by Catholic doctrine and teaching as sinful. That he is pro-2nd Amendment is immaterial and does not a Conservative in the mold of Reagan make.
He said his homosexual lifestyle is sinful and is the reason why he wears two crosses-he needs all the help he can.
@INVAR
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What other talking points did you bring over from TOS today for your defense of the pedobear Milo.
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Watch this: Regarding Catholics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5q4u1nE6tI
Milo has been a strong Catholic for years and never have I heard him say anything bad about Jews or Israel. As a matter of fact he is a huge supporter of Jews and Israel.
He wears two crosses because he said he is a sinner and needs the extra help from God.
@CatherineofAragon
@mirraflake
Read my post again. I said that he's Jewish when it serves him. He's on record stating that the Jews own the media----"and it's true, we do." Because it can't really be a slur if he includes himself
as Jewish, see.
You didn't respond when I cited the credit Milo gave his priest for his oral sex skills. Does that fall into the category of "solid Catholic?"
One of the crosses I've seen Milo wear is a Nazi Iron Cross. It's an old pic, but it's still floating around.
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He's not anti-Semetic. He is just your garden variety racist piece of shit pansy....
(http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2016/05/19/19-milo-tweet.nocrop.w536.h2147483647.2x.jpg)
@Frank Cannon
That's a good Catholic right there.
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I am already sick of hearing about Milo...
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He said his homosexual lifestyle is sinful and is the reason why he wears two crosses-he needs all the help he can.
No one who is proud of their sinful lifestyle, flaunts the fact they are homosexual and boasts about it on televised programs is someone who actually believes the sin they parade in front of everyone is a sin.
Nice try - but the only one being played - are folks like you.
By their fruits we will know them we were told by no less than the Son of Man.
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@mirraflake
Read my post again. I said that he's Jewish when it serves him. He's on record stating that the Jews own the media----"and it's true, we do." Because it can't really be a slur if he includes himself
as Jewish, see.
You didn't respond when I cited the credit Milo gave his priest for his oral sex skills. Does that fall into the category of "solid Catholic?"
One of the crosses I've seen Milo wear is a Nazi Iron Cross. It's an old pic, but it's still floating around.
Yes. He likes to pull the Jewish card out when he is bashing somethings and the Catholic card out when bashing others. His racisism/bigotry is cool because he is one of them at that time.....
Generation Trump, the alt right people, the people who like me, they’re not anti-Semites. They don’t care about Jews. I mean, they may have some assumptions about things, how the Jews run everything; well, we do. How the Jews run the banks; well, we do. How the Jews run the media; well, we do. They’re right about all that stuff…It’s a fact, this is not in debate. It’s a statistical fact….Jews are vastly disproportionately represented in all of these professions. It’s just a fact. It’s not anti-Semitic to point out statistics….The anti-Semitism on the internet, which is really important, I want people to understand this because nobody seems to, when Jonah Goldberg of National Review is bombarded with these memes, and anti-Semitic “take a hike, kike” stuff, it’s not because there’s a spontaneous outpouring of anti-Semitism from 22-year-olds in this country. What it is is it’s a mischievous, dissident, trolly generation who do it because it gets a reaction. Right? That’s been the case for young people for generations....They can get to people in positions of power, and people in positions of power and keep biting, they keep taking the bait….It’s a direct response to the language policing, it’s a direct response to being told they can’t say things.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/4396/responding-alt-right-are-they-bigots-or-just-ben-shapiro
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No one who is proud of their sinful lifestyle, flaunts the fact they are homosexual and boasts about it on televised programs is someone who actually believes the sin they parade in front of everyone is a sin.
Nice try - but the only one being played - are folks like you.
By their fruits we will know them we were told by no less than the Son of Man.
Holier than tho's like you @INVAR is exactly why people are turning away from religion.
Milo has said numerous times his gay lifestyle is sinful but he can't get out of it. He said trannies are retards and should not be in opposite bathrooms and most lesbians are due to the fact they had bad relationships with men. He also said gay is nurture not nature. He is 100% pro life, 2nd amend, strong conservative in nearly every category and has brought tens of millions of younger people to see the folly the SJW and feminist movement is and made them conservatives.
I bet most of you have never watched his entire speeches at universities but take liberal hit pieces and attack him or attack him just because he is gay-one hit wonders you are.
@CatherineofAragon
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Read my post again. I said that he's Jewish when it serves him. He's on record stating that the Jews own the media----"and it's true, we do." Because it can't really be a slur if he includes himself
as Jewish, see. You didn't respond when I cited the credit Milo gave his priest for his oral sex skills. Does that fall into the category of "solid Catholic?" One of the crosses I've seen Milo wear is a Nazi Iron Cross. It's an old pic, but it's still floating around.
@CatherineofAragon
@Quix
@mystery-ak
So, he's supposed to be Catholic? In our Catholic Church, we don't have a bathtub full of pig's blood and pig's blood on the walls as Milo was nude in such a tub.
Now, Quix, see if you can explain Milo bathing nude in pig's blood and putting that picture on the web, and claiming to be a conservative icon that deserves being the key note speaker at CPAC.
Plus, he has resigned from Bretbart website as editor. He is filthy scum.
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@CatherineofAragon
@Quix
@mystery-ak
So, he's supposed to be Catholic? In our Catholic Church, we don't have a bathtub full of pig's blood and pig's blood on the walls as Milo was nude in such a tub.
Now, Quix, see if you can explain Milo bathing nude in pig's blood and putting that picture on the web, and claiming to be a conservative icon that deserves being the key note speaker at CPAC.
Plus, he has resigned from Bretbart website as editor. He is filthy scum.
Milo bathed in PIGS blood to represent the Muslim terrorist attacks. Had nothing to do with the Catholic faith.
@Victoria33
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Yes. He likes to pull the Jewish card out when he is bashing somethings and the Catholic card out when bashing others. His racisism/bigotry is cool because he is one of them at that time.....
Generation Trump, the alt right people, the people who like me, they’re not anti-Semites. They don’t care about Jews. I mean, they may have some assumptions about things, how the Jews run everything; well, we do. How the Jews run the banks; well, we do. How the Jews run the media; well, we do. They’re right about all that stuff…It’s a fact, this is not in debate. It’s a statistical fact….Jews are vastly disproportionately represented in all of these professions. It’s just a fact. It’s not anti-Semitic to point out statistics….The anti-Semitism on the internet, which is really important, I want people to understand this because nobody seems to, when Jonah Goldberg of National Review is bombarded with these memes, and anti-Semitic “take a hike, kike” stuff, it’s not because there’s a spontaneous outpouring of anti-Semitism from 22-year-olds in this country. What it is is it’s a mischievous, dissident, trolly generation who do it because it gets a reaction. Right? That’s been the case for young people for generations....They can get to people in positions of power, and people in positions of power and keep biting, they keep taking the bait….It’s a direct response to the language policing, it’s a direct response to being told they can’t say things.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/4396/responding-alt-right-are-they-bigots-or-just-ben-shapiro
@Frank Cannon
That's the quote...thanks for digging that up, Frank. I should have but I didn't have the time.
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You are all being sucker punched by the left and attacking Milo. You are useful idiots of the far left and don't even know it.
Look what Leslie Jones said about Jews and white people and no one said a word. All Milo said about Leslie Jones was she looked like a black man and her movie sucked. I have said Lena Dunham is a fat pig does not make me anti Jewish.
Sean Hannity is right. Conservatives eat their own.
(http://i.imgur.com/TviT4YM.png)
@Frank Cannon
@Wingnut
@EC
@Oceander
@geronl
@DCPatriot
@INVAR
You do know those are fake tweets, right? No verified tag. Leslie Jones had a verified tag.
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Trust but verify,
Medved today was saying he thought Milo had said some inhospitable things towards Jews; but I'm with Myst, who really cares about hearing of this guy? I've still barely ever heard him speak but when he did, I admit it was good.
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Holier than tho's like you @INVAR is exactly why people are turning away from religion.
That's exactly what everyone who wants to justify sin and evil always says about anyone who dares call their behavior what it is according to scripture.
Jesus wondered aloud in Luke 18:18 whether or not He would find any faith left on earth at all when He returned.
Allegories of 'wide is the gate to destruction' and 'narrow is the path to Life' already tell us that mankind will always turn away from God in order to pursue their own imaginations of how they think He should be.
But that said - it's not people like me who turn off people from the faith, it's that modern churchianity doesn't stand for anything except health and wealth anymore. Modern society sees Christians as neutered pacifists who are supposed to love everything and everyone while praying for more money to fall from heaven. The moment that someone dares speak the plain truth from scripture - then the outrage and horror commences.
Milo has said numerous times his gay lifestyle is sinful but he can't get out of it.
Flaunting and promoting their sin on national television is not the fruit of someone who sees their lifestyle as sinful - no matter what they say to the contrary.
I bet most of you have never watched his entire speeches at universities but take liberal hit pieces and attack him or attack him just because he is gay-one hit wonders you are.
I've watched and read enough of what he has said to discount him as any kind of person of integrity or to regard him in any fashion beyond a perverted attention whore.
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Trust but verify,
Medved today was saying he thought Milo had said some inhospitable things towards Jews; but I'm with Myst, who really cares about hearing of this guy? I've still barely ever heard him speak but when he did, I admit it was good.
Milo's schtick has been to shock while getting his point across.
In his efforts to always be fresh and 'biting', and in love with his new level of celebrity, he speaks quickly in a stream of thought.
If you toke on the vapor pen before speaking, one will venture into topics and prior life experiences that, if shared publicly, can cause ruin of everything you've built up to that point.
I'll bet money he's had grief from people ever since he said it, and he's trying to reinvent himself a bit.
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@CatherineofAragon
@Quix
@mystery-ak
So, he's supposed to be Catholic? In our Catholic Church, we don't have a bathtub full of pig's blood and pig's blood on the walls as Milo was nude in such a tub.
Now, Quix, see if you can explain Milo bathing nude in pig's blood and putting that picture on the web, and claiming to be a conservative icon that deserves being the key note speaker at CPAC.
Plus, he has resigned from Bretbart website as editor. He is filthy scum.
Welllllllllll, there's a lot of filthy scum running around loose in a lot of our churches and a lot of our mirrors. Some filthy scum lead a lot of churches.
I don't have any big need to look down a long nose or long pointy finger at anyone. Lord, God, be merciful to me a sinner.
I don't know how the balance sheet on his heart works out. God does.
I pray he gets in a good Christian reorientation program and that it works by Holy Spirit's power.
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That's exactly what everyone who wants to justify sin and evil always says about anyone who dares call their behavior what it is according to scripture.
Jesus wondered aloud in Luke 18:18 whether or not He would find any faith left on earth at all when He returned.
Allegories of 'wide is the gate to destruction' and 'narrow is the path to Life' already tell us that mankind will always turn away from God in order to pursue their own imaginations of how they think He should be.
But that said - it's not people like me who turn off people from the faith, it's that modern churchianity doesn't stand for anything except health and wealth anymore. Modern society sees Christians as neutered pacifists who are supposed to love everything and everyone while praying for more money to fall from heaven. The moment that someone dares speak the plain truth from scripture - then the outrage and horror commences.
Flaunting and promoting their sin on national television is not the fruit of someone who sees their lifestyle as sinful - no matter what they say to the contrary.
I've watched and read enough of what he has said to discount him as any kind of person of integrity or to regard him in any fashion beyond a perverted attention whore.
You make a lot of reasonable points, imho.
However, I've also seen a lot of pastors with a lot less integrity and logical, philosophical consistency than Milo.
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Milo bathed in PIGS blood to represent the Muslim terrorist attacks. Had nothing to do with the Catholic faith.
@Victoria33
I bet it caused some folks to sit up and take note of what he was saying about Islam who were asleep until then.
Still, not my cup of . . . uhhhh tea or blood.
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Holier than tho's like you @INVAR is exactly why people are turning away from religion.
Milo has said numerous times his gay lifestyle is sinful but he can't get out of it. He said trannies are retards and should not be in opposite bathrooms and most lesbians are due to the fact they had bad relationships with men. He also said gay is nurture not nature. He is 100% pro life, 2nd amend, strong conservative in nearly every category and has brought tens of millions of younger people to see the folly the SJW and feminist movement is and made them conservatives.
I bet most of you have never watched his entire speeches at universities but take liberal hit pieces and attack him or attack him just because he is gay-one hit wonders you are.
@CatherineofAragon
It's hard to think of more than 1-3 other spiritual/mental/emotional/relational strongholds
HARDER
to forsake successfully
than homosexuality--even when the motivation is quite high.
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It's hard to think of more than 1-3 other spiritual/mental/emotional/relational strongholds
HARDER
to forsake successfully
than homosexuality--even when the motivation is quite high.
Pornography addiction is probably the hardest sin to break, because it attacks the very center of the mind, where actual gratification is triggered. Meth and heroin addicts can break free of their addictions in less than a year of earnest treatment.
A porn addict takes a minimum of 5-6 years to get clean.
And homosexuality is often totally porn-saturated from those I know that are and were stuck in that lifestyle.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Isn't it obvious? Credibility and integrity. He was never any kind of ally. He's a poseur and a provocateur....he admitted it was all "performance art."
I still don't see how that affects the credibility/integrity of conservatives. I mean, at all. If this stuff had come out about him and conservatives done nothing, I could see that. But here, this information came out, and conservatives distanced themselves from the guy. So how does that diminish either credibility or integrity, and in whose eyes?
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I still don't see how that affects the credibility/integrity of conservatives. I mean, at all. If this stuff had come out about him and conservatives done nothing, I could see that. But here, this information came out, and conservatives distanced themselves from the guy. So how does that diminish either credibility or integrity, and in whose eyes?
Same reason a single nutter with a gun can be used to tarnish all gun owners. The left indulges in groupthink - a downside of which is putting everyone into groups. Individuals only exist as part of their group. Nothing else.
Milo supports Trump therefore all conservatives are Milo.
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Milo is a very off the wall guy who made some great conservative points, and now it looks like he's fallen on his face. Not the first, won't be the last.
I appreciate the damage he did to the liberals. He had his voice, he didn't define my conservatism, and I wasn't blind to his problems.
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Holier than tho's like you @INVAR is exactly why people are turning away from religion.
Milo has said numerous times his gay lifestyle is sinful but he can't get out of it. He said trannies are retards and should not be in opposite bathrooms and most lesbians are due to the fact they had bad relationships with men. He also said gay is nurture not nature. He is 100% pro life, 2nd amend, strong conservative in nearly every category and has brought tens of millions of younger people to see the folly the SJW and feminist movement is and made them conservatives.
I bet most of you have never watched his entire speeches at universities but take liberal hit pieces and attack him or attack him just because he is gay-one hit wonders you are.
@CatherineofAragon
@mirraflake
Well, see, that's why I would win that bet. Your problem is that you're looking for anti-gay bigots around every corner, and if someone doesn't gush all over Milo, it must be because he's gay, or because we know nothing about him/haven't listened to him.
Not in my case. I don't gush all over him because he's a poseur, a phony, a jerk, and a general all-around nasty little fame whore. It used to be that conservatives were smart enough to see through pretenders like him; now all he has to do is criticize a liberal and, oooooohhhh, loooook, he's one of us! Republicans have become suckers who will fall for anything. To give Milo credit, he's smart enough to realize it, and he's made his money from it.
He's really a bad-ass until he sits down with an interview with any male who's halfway strong-willed. Then he starts to stutter and simper.
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@mirraflake
Well, see, that's why I would win that bet. Your problem is that you're looking for anti-gay bigots around every corner, and if someone doesn't gush all over Milo, it must be because he's gay, or because we know nothing about him/haven't listened to him.
Not in my case. I don't gush all over him because he's a poseur, a phony, a jerk, and a general all-around nasty little fame whore. It used to be that conservatives were smart enough to see through pretenders like him; now all he has to do is criticize a liberal and, oooooohhhh, loooook, he's one of us! Republicans have become suckers who will fall for anything. To give Milo credit, he's smart enough to realize it, and he's made his money from it.
He's really a bad-ass until he sits down with an interview with any male who's halfway strong-willed. Then he starts to stutter and simper.
@CatherineofAragon
The human condition is fragile, we can't expect everyone to be the perfect conservative like say, Rush Limbaugh.
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@CatherineofAragon
The human condition is fragile, we can't expect everyone to be the perfect conservative like say, Rush Limbaugh.
I wouldn't consider Limbaugh to be a perfect conservative, if a true Conservative at all anymore.
But I do consider him to be the perfect Republican.
He is stuck on the plantation like no one I've known.
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now all he has to do is criticize a liberal and, oooooohhhh, loooook, he's one of us! Republicans have become suckers who will fall for anything. .
The same thing happened with Putin. Do or say a few good things and all of a sudden he's considered a 'good guy' by those he'd like to nuke. It'd be like Superman campaigning for Lex Luthor for President.
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I wouldn't consider Limbaugh to be a perfect conservative, if a true Conservative at all anymore.
But I do consider him to be the perfect Republican.
He is stuck on the plantation like no one I've known.
Firmly ensconced
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@mirraflake
It used to be that conservatives were smart enough to see through pretenders like him; now all he has to do is criticize a liberal and, oooooohhhh, loooook, he's one of us! Republicans have become suckers who will fall for anything. To give Milo credit, he's smart enough to realize it, and he's made his money from it.
I guess they weren't smart enough, to not fall for Denny Hastert.
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I wouldn't consider Limbaugh to be a perfect conservative, if a true Conservative at all anymore.
But I do consider him to be the perfect Republican.
He is stuck on the plantation like no one I've known.
Okay, any suggestions then?
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He didn't seduce me. I've been warning about him all along.
Exactly.
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@CatherineofAragon
The human condition is fragile, we can't expect everyone to be the perfect conservative like say, Rush Limbaugh.
@TomSea
Limbaugh's a boring, stale establishmentarian. He really ought to retire.
It's interesting how you resort to the over-used false premise that there are only two extremes----flawless conservatism or fake conservative fame whores.
Establish your beliefs upon solid principle instead of running off to chase the latest flashy personality.
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Not in my case. I don't gush all over him because he's a poseur, a phony, a jerk, and a general all-around nasty little fame whore. It used to be that conservatives were smart enough to see through pretenders like him; now all he has to do is criticize a liberal and, oooooohhhh, loooook, he's one of us! Republicans have become suckers who will fall for anything. To give Milo credit, he's smart enough to realize it, and he's made his money from it.
He's really a bad-ass until he sits down with an interview with any male who's halfway strong-willed. Then he starts to stutter and simper.
How is Milo a poseur, phony, fake? His conservative stance has never changed.
Apparantly you have never seen interviews with Milo and other men..He crushes them in every instance.
You really need to watch his speeches and interviews.
@CatherineofAragon
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I guess they weren't smart enough, to not fall for Denny Hastert.
@truth_seeker
Was Denny Hastert running around talking about Jewish conspiracies, drinking from penis- shaped glasses, and generally acting like a bitchy millennial version of Liberace with a nasty streak?
Basic common sense and discernment could see Milo for what he was. He was right out there, telling you and showing you he was garbage. Hastert was quiet and secretive with his proclivities, correct? You'd need psychic ability to ferret out something kept hidden.
You can't equate the two.
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@TomSea
Limbaugh's a boring, stale establishmentarian. He really ought to retire.
It's interesting how you resort to the over-used false premise that there are only two extremes----flawless conservatism or fake conservative fame whores.
Establish your beliefs upon solid principle instead of running off to chase the latest flashy personality.
@CatherineofAragon
Love the preachy condescension once again.
Okay, who do you recommend? Defend the Obama Stimuli Ted? Tiny Market Mark Levin? Who?
Rush has been on the air for 30 years or more. Not sure whom is a flashy personality, I never have defended Milo in this thread. You must be referring to other people.
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Rush has been attacked, if one isn't a team player, you don't get anything done. This seems to be whom the other side idolizes, the do-nothings.
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How is Milo a poseur, phony, fake? His conservative stance has never changed.
Apparantly you have never seen interviews with Milo and other men..He crushes them in every instance.
You really need to watch his speeches and interviews.
@CatherineofAragon
@mirraflake
Yeah, he crushes them. Like the time he ran from debating Ben Shapiro.
If, at this point, you really don't get that he's a poseur, I don't know what to say to you.
He's a bomb thrower who knows how to make people angry---in the words of Matt Taibbi, little more than a goof with a C minus intellect. You still haven't figured it out. You still think we need a piece of trash like him to make the conservative argument.
Because here you are, still defending this advocate of pedophilia, and telling me that I should go listen to the pedophile's videos and learn from them.
What's wrong with you?
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Rush has been attacked, if one isn't a team player, you don't get anything done. This seems to be whom the other side idolizes, the do-nothings.
@TomSea
"Rush has been attacked"
So criticism of your media idols is an "attack?" Why so snowflake?
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@TomSea
"Rush has been attacked"
So criticism of your media idols is an "attack?" Why so snowflake?
Catherine "Weak Arguments" of Aragon, so weak, she has to call not just people like Rush names but also other members of the forum. Really classy. Lots of integrity. At least you're not kicking the dog. Such abrasiveness, must have offended in mentioning Defend the Stimulus Ted Cruz, the idle of the do-nothings, support nothings, expect everything to be done by the GOP when they don't support it.
What a hoot! :silly:
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Catherine "Weak Arguments" of Aragon, so weak, she has to call not just people like Rush names but also other members of the forum. Really classy. Lots of integrity. At least you're not kicking the dog. Such abrasiveness, must have offended in mentioning Defend the Stimulus Ted Cruz, the idle of the do-nothings, support nothings, expect everything to be done by the GOP when they don't support it.
What a hoot! :silly:
@TomSea
Aaaand there he is, that constant squatter in TomSea's mind---Ted Cruz! :laugh:
I find your constant preoccupation with Cruz to be funny. You, on the other hand, are personally outraged by criticism of your media heroes, as if they're related to you or something.
Again, principle over personalities.
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Catherine "Weak Arguments" of Aragon, so weak, she has to call not just people like Rush names but also other members of the forum. Really classy. Lots of integrity. At least you're not kicking the dog. Such abrasiveness, must have offended in mentioning Defend the Stimulus Ted Cruz, the idle of the do-nothings, support nothings, expect everything to be done by the GOP when they don't support it.
What a hoot! :silly:
@TomSea
@CatherineofAragon
Catherine does not like Milo, Rush, Trump and who knows how many more .. No wonder the conservative party will never unite.
Catherine if you are waiting for the perfect candidate he died on the cross 2000 years ago.
Trump just wrote off Obama's transgender bathroom bill yesterday and has done great work-all very conservative in the first month and people on this site still attack him. What do you want from the guy?
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@truth_seeker
Was Denny Hastert running around talking about Jewish conspiracies, drinking from penis- shaped glasses, and generally acting like a bitchy millennial version of Liberace with a nasty streak?
Basic common sense and discernment could see Milo for what he was. He was right out there, telling you and showing you he was garbage. Hastert was quiet and secretive with his proclivities, correct? You'd need psychic ability to ferret out something kept hidden.
You can't equate the two.
Do you really mean to defend Hastert, as in Milo is worse? As in "You can't equate the two."
Milo has not been convicted of ACTUAL acts or crimes, but he talks a lot.
Hastert is a criminal in our nation of laws, but you minimize his crimes, when you claim Milo is worse ?
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@TomSea
@CatherineofAragon
Catherine does not like Milo, Rush, Trump and who knows how many more .. No wonder the conservative party will never unite.
Catherine if you are waiting for the perfect candidate he died on the cross 2000 years ago.
Trump just wrote off Obama's transgender bathroom bill yesterday and has done great work-all very conservative in the first month and people on this site still attack him. What do you want from the guy?
@mirraflake, stop trying to deflect and answer my question, please.
There's no such thing as a perfect conservative and I've said over and over I'll give Trump credit for whatever good he does.
Now, why are you still defending an advocate of pedophilia? What's wrong with you?
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@mirraflake, stop trying to deflect and answer my question, please.
There's no such thing as a perfect conservative and I've said over and over I'll give Trump credit for whatever good he does.
Now, why are you still defending an advocate of pedophilia? What's wrong with you?
@CatherineofAragon
Here is what Milo said:
I would like to restate my disgust at adults who sexually abuse minors. I am horrified by pedophilia and I have devoted large portions of my career as a journalist to exposing child abusers. I've outed three of them, in fact -- three more than most of my critics.
And I've repeatedly expressed disgust at pedophilia in my feature and opinion writing. I was also the first journalist in the UK to ask after Jimmy Savile’s death whether the real story of his rampant child abuse would ever be told. My professional record is very clear.
But I do understand that the videos you have seen, even though some of them were deceptively edited, paint a different picture. I am partly to blame.
I do not advocate for illegal behavior. I explicitly say on the tapes, in a section that was cut from the footage you have seen, that I think the current age of consent is "about right." I do not believe any change in the the legal age of consent is justifiable or desirable.
I do not believe sex with 13-year-olds is okay. When I mentioned the number 13, I was talking about myself, and the age I lost my own virginity.
I shouldn't have used the word "boy" -- which gay men often do to describe young men of consenting age -- instead of "young man." That was an error. I was talking about my own relationship when I was 17 with a man who was 29. The age of consent in the UK is 16.
I did say that there are relationships between younger men and older men that can help a young gay man escape from a lack of support or understanding at home. That's perfectly true and every gay man knows it.
I am certainly guilty of imprecise language, which I regret.
Anyone who suggests I turn a blind eye to illegal activity or to the abuse of minors is unequivocally wrong. I am implacably opposed to the normalization of pedophilia and I will continue to report and speak accordingly. To repeat: I do not support pedophilia. It is a disgusting crime of which I have personally been a victim.
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You do know those are fake tweets, right? No verified tag. Leslie Jones had a verified tag.
Here are 15 anti white confirmed tweets by Leslie Jones
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/20/double-standards-leslie-jones-racist-twitter-history/
@EC
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Do you really mean to defend Hastert, as in Milo is worse? As in "You can't equate the two."
Milo has not been convicted of ACTUAL acts or crimes, but he talks a lot.
Hastert is a criminal in our nation of laws, but you minimize his crimes, when you claim Milo is worse ?
@truth_seeker
Is your reading comprehension on vacation?
Good Lord.
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@CatherineofAragon
Here is what Milo said:
I would like to restate my disgust at adults who sexually abuse minors. I am horrified by pedophilia and I have devoted large portions of my career as a journalist to exposing child abusers. I've outed three of them, in fact -- three more than most of my critics.
And I've repeatedly expressed disgust at pedophilia in my feature and opinion writing. I was also the first journalist in the UK to ask after Jimmy Savile’s death whether the real story of his rampant child abuse would ever be told. My professional record is very clear.
But I do understand that the videos you have seen, even though some of them were deceptively edited, paint a different picture. I am partly to blame.
I do not advocate for illegal behavior. I explicitly say on the tapes, in a section that was cut from the footage you have seen, that I think the current age of consent is "about right." I do not believe any change in the the legal age of consent is justifiable or desirable.
I do not believe sex with 13-year-olds is okay. When I mentioned the number 13, I was talking about myself, and the age I lost my own virginity.
I shouldn't have used the word "boy" -- which gay men often do to describe young men of consenting age -- instead of "young man." That was an error. I was talking about my own relationship when I was 17 with a man who was 29. The age of consent in the UK is 16.
I did say that there are relationships between younger men and older men that can help a young gay man escape from a lack of support or understanding at home. That's perfectly true and every gay man knows it.
I am certainly guilty of imprecise language, which I regret.
Anyone who suggests I turn a blind eye to illegal activity or to the abuse of minors is unequivocally wrong. I am implacably opposed to the normalization of pedophilia and I will continue to report and speak accordingly. To repeat: I do not support pedophilia. It is a disgusting crime of which I have personally been a victim.
@mirraflake
Denying the evidence of your eyes and ears so that you can defend a pederast/pedophile with everything you have.
Pure malignancy.
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@truth_seeker
Is your reading comprehension on vacation?
Good Lord.
"You can't equate the two."
I used your words. So I consider your reply to be without substance.
Hastert was the Republican Speaker of the US House of Representatives, and was convicted of a crime.
Milo is a private UK citizen, recently getting attention, thanks no doubt to liberal media willingness to help him, in hopes he will discredit conservatism.
The best thing conservatism could do would be to quit talking about him, which is precisely how they have handled Hastert.
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"You can't equate the two."
I used your words. So I consider your reply to be without substance.
Hastert was the Republican Speaker of the US House of Representatives, and was convicted of a crime.
Milo is a private UK citizen, recently getting attention, thanks no doubt to liberal media willingness to help him, in hopes he will discredit conservatism.
The best thing conservatism could do would be to quit talking about him, which is precisely how they have handled Hastert.
@truth_seeker
Yes. Your reading comprehension is on vacation.
I'll try flash cards next time.
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Do you really mean to defend Hastert, as in Milo is worse? As in "You can't equate the two."
Milo has not been convicted of ACTUAL acts or crimes, but he talks a lot.
Hastert is a criminal in our nation of laws, but you minimize his crimes, when you claim Milo is worse ?
She did not defend Hastert or say Milo is worse. All she said is Milo is out and obvious about his fraud and perversion, Hastert kept his secret until caught.
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She did not defend Hastert or say Milo is worse. All she said is Milo is out and obvious about his fraud and perversion, Hastert kept his secret until caught.
@geronl, thank you...I didn't know it was that hard to grasp.
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Do you really mean to defend Hastert, as in Milo is worse? As in "You can't equate the two."
Milo has not been convicted of ACTUAL acts or crimes, but he talks a lot.
Hastert is a criminal in our nation of laws, but you minimize his crimes, when you claim Milo is worse ?
Absolutely, this is a very solid point. Looks like some people just want to get in a pissing war; can only make ad homs. Not even worth dealing with.
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@CatherineofAragon
Trump's pro-life policies have already stopped abortions, using your logic, you must be defending baby killers; he's doing fine.
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@TomSea
@CatherineofAragon
Catherine does not like Milo, Rush, Trump and who knows how many more .. No wonder the conservative party will never unite.
Catherine if you are waiting for the perfect candidate he died on the cross 2000 years ago.
Trump just wrote off Obama's transgender bathroom bill yesterday and has done great work-all very conservative in the first month and people on this site still attack him. What do you want from the guy?
I hate to break it to you, but there is no "Conservative Party" here in the U.S. We have Republicans who have been pretty much faking it to some degree since Reagan, but no Conservative Party.
I'm not necessarily even criticizing what has been done so far on Trump's watch, But let's not twist the words.
"It's a beautiful thing, the Destruction of words.
Orwell, 1984 http://www.shmoop.com/1984/language-communication-quotes.html (http://www.shmoop.com/1984/language-communication-quotes.html)
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@CatherineofAragon
Trump's pro-life policies have already stopped abortions, using your logic, you must be defending baby killers; he's doing fine.
@TomSea
Trump's not coming anywhere near my butt. The thought makes me want to throw up.
Hey....miss me? You know you do.
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