The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: txradioguy on February 06, 2020, 07:30:45 pm
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If you were a conservative with a modicum of influence over Republican voters, would you spend your time on air discussing the Democrat primaries all day, or would you try to influence Republican congressional primaries that will actually matter to conservatives? That is the choice in the coming weeks and months confronting anyone who considers himself a movement conservative.
Conservatives were universally shocked and appalled by Mitt Romney’s vote to convict the president on impeachment charges, thereby giving cover to vulnerable Democrats. However, anyone who has cared about any major policy issue aside form impeachment shouldn’t be shocked at all. They should be appalled that liberal Republicans like Romney, who seem to be numberless, continue to be welcome in the party despite dissenting from the party platform on almost every important issue.
As I wrote last week, Romney was running in an open seat in 2018 and had a challenger from the Utah state legislature who was actually the pick of delegates at the state convention. Trump, as he has done in numerous races, pulled the rug out from under his most ardent supporters and endorsed Romney, even though both his liberal policy views and his personal disdain for Trump were well known and articulated for years.
The question now is whether conservatives and the president himself will learn from these mistakes and actually endorse the right people in primaries. The first GOP primaries begin on March 3 in several states including Alabama, Texas, and North Carolina. Early voting begins even sooner. There are numerous House, Senate, and gubernatorial races that feature clear contrasts between conservatives and Romney-style Republicans. Yet there is no focus in conservative media on these primaries, as Trump endorses NeverTrumpers. Instead, they focus on taking sides between Bernie and Biden.
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Look at Tennessee, for example. This is a state Trump carried by 26 points statewide and won 92 of 95 counties. Yet for years, it has been run by “Rockefeller†Romney-style Republicans, from Bill Haslam and Bill Lee as governors to Bob Corker and Lamar Alexander as senators. However, with Alexander retiring, Trump endorsed the most liberal candidate from day one – Bill Hagerty. He was a delegate for Jeb Bush, of all people, during the 2016 presidential primary. Hagerty is also a longtime friend and adviser to … Mitt Romney!
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Conservatives have a choice to make. As February turns into March, each week will bring with it a new act of the drama that is the Democratic primaries. The drama will have no bearing on conservatives, nor can any conservative figure wield any influence over that outcome. The real question is this: Will Republicans finally build a bench of elected officials who will provide a bold contrast to whichever radical emerges from the Democrat primaries?
Time is running out, and the primary schedule is very compact. It’s time to get to work or consign the Republican Party to Mitt Romney and his numerous well-funded allies.
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-will-romneys-betrayal-finally-get-conservatives-focused-priorities/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-will-romneys-betrayal-finally-get-conservatives-focused-priorities/)
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Here is a list of GOP Senate seats that are either vacant or have weak incumbents, providing us an opportunity to move these seats to the right in solid Trump states.
(https://storage.googleapis.com/conservativereview/crw-graph_20181108.png)
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Shocked at what romney will/did do? Never... I fully expected romney to continue his hate filled rants and Never Trump position.
First thing that need to get ironed out, just who are these conservatives of whom you speak and what is their objective?Fiscal Conservative? Social Conservative? Anti-liberal? Republican?
These myopic conversations are not going to defeat the liberals in november... Need a bigger tent or it will be president sanders...
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Shocked at what romney will/did do? Never... I fully expected romney to continue his hate filled rants and Never Trump position.
Yeah he ain't ginna change...ever.
First thing that need to get ironed out, just who are these conservatives of whom you speak and what is their objective?Fiscal Conservative? Social Conservative? Anti-liberal? Republican?
Well that takes research by people voting in their districts and not just hearing "the President endorsed so and so...so that's who I'm voting for."
Wilkow has been doing a marvelous job of interviewing Conservative candidates in districts up for election this cycle.
These myopic conversations are not going to defeat the liberals in november... Need a bigger tent or it will be president sanders...
The "bigger tent" philosophy is what got us the list or RINOs I posted above and it will continue to get worse if more Liberal Republicans are allowed to take or return to office because we as Conservatives have been told we have to sacrifice our philosophy to be more "popular".
Conservative Principals and philosophy got us Reagan. Trying to adopt the "bigger tent" strategy got us Dole...McCain and Romney as the GOP nominee for President.
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Here is a list of GOP Senate seats that are either vacant or have weak incumbents, providing us an opportunity to move these seats to the right in solid Trump states.
(https://storage.googleapis.com/conservativereview/crw-graph_20181108.png)
Great we have a list, now all we need are good solid conservative candidates that are willing to run to replace them. This IS the problem; lack of good solid conservatives to vote for.
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Great we have a list, now all we need are good solid conservative candidates that are willing to run to replace them. This IS the problem; lack of good solid conservatives to vote for.
@libertybele IMHO they are out there. But when you've got McConnell and McCarthy turning the screws on consulting firms...ad agencies and in some instances media outlets or certain reporters to not highlight a challenger to anyone on that list...it's hard to get your message out. There are good solid Conservatives out there running for office...but people are gonna have to go do the research and find them in their districts/states/etc and do more than vot for them....they are gonna have to get out and work to get them elected.
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@libertybele IMHO they are out there. But when you've got McConnell and McCarthy turning the screws on consulting firms...ad agencies and in some instances media outlets or certain reporters to not highlight a challenger to anyone on that list...it's hard to get your message out. There are good solid Conservatives out there running for office...but people are gonna have to go do the research and find them in their districts/states/etc and do more than vot for them....they are gonna have to get out and work to get them elected.
Yes, McConnell is an obstructionist when it comes to allowing solid conservatives into the Senate. I learned that in reading Cruz's autobiography. I get that. If I take the area that I live in as an example, I only know of 1 solid conservative -- he ran for state representative and won -- currently he is seeking a house seat. The process for him to get to this point has taken him over a decade.
With that being said -- with the record that he has had, he will likely fill the seat that he is running for in the House; though we're going to be changing a GOP seat for a conservative seat, that will leave a hole in the conservative seat at the state level. I have not heard or read of any conservative yet who is stepping up to run for the empty seat at the state level. None, and election time and the primaries are just months away. Again, this is the problem.
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So, let me come at this from a different angle....
Lets assume you/we find this wonderful perfect conservative.....
Promise to ban abortion
Promise to Defund Planned Parenthood
Promise to Deregulate everything.
Promise to eliminate income tax
Promise to cut the size of government in half
Promise to no pass budget unless it is balanced
With each of these things you have to formulate a counter argument, which is not a conservative strength and unless it is a real counter, you will be ridiculed, not just lose.
Just with those things you have lost probably 75% of the vote, you lose.
Changing the way people think takes time, small changes....
We have to take the long game, just like the socialists did... they have been working on this takeover for 50 years.
First, we have to take control of our education system back from the socialist, not school choice, just take public education back.
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I will be voting for the most conservative candidate on the ballot in the Texas Primary and it definitely is not John Cornyn.
Dwayne Stoval is his name.
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@libertybele IMHO they are out there. But when you've got McConnell and McCarthy turning the screws on consulting firms...ad agencies and in some instances media outlets or certain reporters to not highlight a challenger to anyone on that list...it's hard to get your message out. There are good solid Conservatives out there running for office...but people are gonna have to go do the research and find them in their districts/states/etc and do more than vot for them....they are gonna have to get out and work to get them elected.
:yowsa: Absolutely true! 100% of it and I know that from personal experience.
People have been conditioned to vote for the guy with the ability to run the slickest ads more than anyone else and THAT needs to stop!
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I will be voting for the most conservative candidate on the ballot in the Texas Primary and it definitely is not John Cornyn.
Dwayne Stoval is his name.
Got a link to his views, etc.?
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Got a link to his views, etc.?
Sure!
http://www.texansforstovall.com/ (http://www.texansforstovall.com/)
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So, let me come at this from a different angle....
Lets assume you/we find this wonderful perfect conservative.....
Promise to ban abortion
Promise to Defund Planned Parenthood
Promise to Deregulate everything.
Promise to eliminate income tax
Promise to cut the size of government in half
Promise to no pass budget unless it is balanced
With each of these things you have to formulate a counter argument, which is not a conservative strength and unless it is a real counter, you will be ridiculed, not just lose.
Just with those things you have lost probably 75% of the vote, you lose.
Changing the way people think takes time, small changes....
We have to take the long game, just like the socialists did... they have been working on this takeover for 50 years.
First, we have to take control of our education system back from the socialist, not school choice, just take public education back.
As long as we make excuses about why we can't do something now...it will never get done and we'll continue to elect Democrat Lite candidates and bitch about what they do once they are in DC.
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:yowsa: Absolutely true! 100% of it and I know that from personal experience.
People have been conditioned to vote for the guy with the ability to run the slickest ads more than anyone else and THAT needs to stop!
:amen:
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I will be voting for the most conservative candidate on the ballot in the Texas Primary and it definitely is not John Cornyn.
Dwayne Stoval is his name.
Cornyn's needed to go for awhile. IF there is a Conservative challenger to McConnell when I get back to Kentucky...you're damn right I'm gonna vote for him or her.
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As long as we make excuses about why we can't do something now...it will never get done and we'll continue to elect Democrat Lite candidates and bitch about what they do once they are in DC.
Constant refusal to accept reality will get us to socialism quicker than anything, no excuse, just a fact.
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I will be voting for the most conservative candidate on the ballot in the Texas Primary and it definitely is not John Cornyn.
Dwayne Stoval is his name.
I voted for Stoval before. The sad thing is, I didn't realize he was running again. Maybe when the election is closer he will put out some ads.
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Shocked at what romney will/did do? Never... I fully expected romney to continue his hate filled rants and Never Trump position.
First thing that need to get ironed out, just who are these conservatives of whom you speak and what is their objective?Fiscal Conservative? Social Conservative? Anti-liberal? Republican?
These myopic conversations are not going to defeat the liberals in november... Need a bigger tent or it will be president sanders...
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An absolute demurral w/a reflection.
Conservatism is a body of enduring Principles derived from the Natural Law which were formulated more than 7,500 years past.
These Principles control/direct Man's attitudes and behaviors throughout his life, having
nothing to w/economics, politics or religion. NOTHING!
The wise from ancient times, among them Sargon, Hammurabi and Plato, articulated these Principles in their writings, like "The Republic" of the latter; as rules for future generations.
Then some 300 yeas ago, politics emerged during the French Enlightenment as a
mechanism for governance within the nation/state.
As for our own politics, Principled Conservatism predates Republicanism by at
least 7,300 years and they have absolutely nothing to do w/each other.
Regarding the labels, fiscal conservative and social conservative, there is no such critter
as one either has Principles or one doesn't.
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I voted for Stoval before. The sad thing is, I didn't realize he was running again. Maybe when the election is closer he will put out some ads.
The big boys don't like him much @berdie Read and weep: https://ktrh.iheart.com/content/2020-02-06-cornyns-primary-challenger-claims-texas-gop-is-using-dnc-tactics/?fbclid=IwAR2sw8m-Oyb57g-pjB1PiUAuuKwp1evAr0dW1uKcTqvlbve1J2viettUin4
I hate that this is happening in the Texas GOP. But, it's not Dwayne Stovall's fault.
It started with the colossal mistake of hiring Steve Munisteri who is the "point man" for the Cornyn campaign.
Both the Texas and National GOP have correctly pointed out that Texas has veered to the left. What they FAIL to point out is Cornyn's hand in that.
The fact that John Cornyn has consistently voted with the Democrats on issues like immigration, the border wall, etc. has caused Texas Republican voters to stay home in droves.
And, don't forget, John Cornyn has never, NEVER, voted against a bloated budget! In his entire career, he has never even voiced concern about deficits that now threaten our children and grandchildren with abject poverty.
The fact is Dwayne can't even hire a decent consultant even if he wanted to much less purchase TV and radio time in any large market.
The big boys play REALLY dirty!
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@Bigun what's your opinion on LTC Allen West moving to Texas and challenging for the Chairmanship of the Texas GOP?
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@Bigun what's your opinion on LTC Allen West moving to Texas and challenging for the Chairmanship of the Texas GOP?
Not in favor of that at all for reasons too complicated to explain fully here.
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Not in favor of that at all for reasons too complicated to explain fully here.
Ahh ok gotcha.
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Conservatives were universally shocked and appalled by Mitt Romney’s vote to convict the president on impeachment charges,
Which conservatives? I wasn't.
And what's this business about "disloyalty?" Disloyalty to what? Or to whom? I was of the impression when Romney was sworn in, the oath he took was to defend the Constitution, or words to that effect. I don't believe he was supposed to swear an oath to his party or to Trump.
I don't like Romney -- he is no conservative -- but all this whining about his "disloyalty" is ridiculous.
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Which conservatives? I wasn't.
And what's this business about "disloyalty?" Disloyalty to what? Or to whom? I was of the impression when Romney was sworn in, the oath he took was to defend the Constitution, or words to that effect. I don't believe he was supposed to swear an oath to his party or to Trump.
I don't like Romney -- he is no conservative -- but all this whining about his "disloyalty" is ridiculous.
We all knew Romney was a snake, so this shouldn't have been a surprise.
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Which conservatives? I wasn't.
And what's this business about "disloyalty?" Disloyalty to what? Or to whom? I was of the impression when Romney was sworn in, the oath he took was to defend the Constitution, or words to that effect. I don't believe he was supposed to swear an oath to his party or to Trump.
I don't like Romney -- he is no conservative -- but all this whining about his "disloyalty" is ridiculous.
I agree with that. Unless one is speaking about Romney's disloyalty to the truth.
The rats were being loyal to their rat party. I like to think the GOP was being loyal to the truth. Even those republicans who clearly dislike Trump voted to acquit, sans Romney. They did so because the facts made it impossible for them not to.
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Which conservatives? I wasn't.
And what's this business about "disloyalty?" Disloyalty to what? Or to whom? I was of the impression when Romney was sworn in, the oath he took was to defend the Constitution, or words to that effect. I don't believe he was supposed to swear an oath to his party or to Trump.
I don't like Romney -- he is no conservative -- but all this whining about his "disloyalty" is ridiculous.
And his voting to convict on one of those made up out of whole cloth articles upheld nothing other than Mitt's life long, self-serving quest for relevance @Applewood
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We all knew Romney was a snake, so this shouldn't have been a surprise.
Oh what a difference a year or two makes... Just an election ago, everyone was singing his praises and arguing with me over what a stalwart conservative he was. Many here happily voted for him.
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Which conservatives? I wasn't.
And what's this business about "disloyalty?" Disloyalty to what? Or to whom? I was of the impression when Romney was sworn in, the oath he took was to defend the Constitution, or words to that effect. I don't believe he was supposed to swear an oath to his party or to Trump.
I don't like Romney -- he is no conservative -- but all this whining about his "disloyalty" is ridiculous.
@Applewood
It would be a lot easier for me to accept that romney was "following his conscience" if he had not done his "i hate trump speech" during a campaign he had nothing to do with. Someone obviously paid him to slam Trump and he took it... Romney is not worth the oxygen it takes to keep him alive..
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Oh what a difference a year or two makes... Just an election ago, everyone was singing his praises and arguing with me over what a stalwart conservative he was. Many here happily voted for him.
Sorry, @roamer_1 but no! EVERYONE was doing no such thing! He was the last stop before Obama for many and for myself I was never able to convince myself to vote for him.
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Sorry, @roamer_1 but no! EVERYONE was doing no such thing! He was the last stop before Obama for many and for myself I was never able to convince myself to vote for him.
Yeah, you and me @Bigun , and a few others that you and I can probably comfortably name.
But nevertheless, I about got kicked off of TOS several times because I would not toe the company line. More than one final warning from ol Jimbo himself. The minute he was the nominee, he was 'conservative' as the day is long. *****rollingeyes*****
SOSDD. Same with McAin't. Same with Tumpy.
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Yeah, you and me @Bigun , and a few others that you and I can probably comfortably name.
But nevertheless, I about got kicked off of TOS several times because I would not toe the company line. More than one final warning from ol Jimbo himself. The minute he was the nominee, he was 'conservative' as the day is long. *****rollingeyes*****
SOSDD. Same with McAin't. Same with Tumpy.
I was with you on the last one in 2016 but not now. Events have proven me wrong about him and YOU will come around someday as well! 999999999999
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Events have proven me wrong about him and YOU will come around someday as well!
I doubt that very much, friend. There is nothing there for me.
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Oh what a difference a year or two makes... Just an election ago, everyone was singing his praises and arguing with me over what a stalwart conservative he was. Many here happily voted for him.
Who was singing his praises, he was better than Obama, that's really not saying much is it?
Sometimes your only choices are the bad choice and the even worse choice?
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Sorry, @roamer_1 but no! EVERYONE was doing no such thing! He was the last stop before Obama for many and for myself I was never able to convince myself to vote for him.
I voted for him in the general. Happily? Hell no. But I would do any thing I could - even if it was putting a statist kitten like Romney in the White House, if it meant keeping a vile commie like Obama out.
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Who was singing his praises, he was better than Obama, that's really not saying much is it?
Go back and read TOS. Y'all have a short memory for a bunch of elephants.
Sometimes your only choices are the bad choice and the even worse choice?
That's no choice at all. The difference between Romney and Obama is not worth mentioning.
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I voted for him in the general. Happily? Hell no. But I would do any thing I could - even if it was putting a statist kitten like Romney in the White House, if it meant keeping a vile commie like Obama out.
They're the same dang thing. Go look at George Romney, get out your crayons, and figger out how far that apple fell from the horse.
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Who was singing his praises, he was better than Obama, that's really not saying much is it?
Sometimes your only choices are the bad choice and the even worse choice?
It's just as likely many of those who now pearl-clutch over Trump's frat boy antics were singing Mitt's praises.
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They're the same dang thing. Go look at George Romney, get out your crayons, and figger out how far that apple fell from the horse.
"Crayons" - hilarious.
I'll do things my way, you do your things your's.
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"Crayons" - hilarious.
I'll do things my way, you do your things your's.
Sorry, didn't mean for you to take it that way. Just mean that it's a pretty simple picture to draw between Romney's family and communism.
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Sorry, didn't mean for you to take it that way. Just mean that it's a pretty simple picture to draw between Romney's family and communism.
Don't mind my thin skin 888high58888
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Don't mind my thin skin 888high58888
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@roamer_1
I remember TOS during the Obama- Romney campaign. But I wasn't told Romney was a conservative. I was told I had to vote for him to "save us" from another 4 years of Obama. And someone had almost persuaded me to do so...till about a day or two before the election when I heard Romney promise a crowd that if he was elected, there would be yet another "jobs program." I realized he wasn't an alternative to Obama at all. Just maybe a slightly "lighter" version.
Once again, we true conservatives don't really have a choice in November...unless you do what I intend to do and that is to stay at home. It's not what I want to do. I promised my Dad I would always vote and I have tried my best to keep that promise. But this will be the fourth presidential election in a row where I cannot in good conscience vote Republican or Democrat. Sorry, Dad, but I've had enough.
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I agree with that. Unless one is speaking about Romney's disloyalty to the truth.
The rats were being loyal to their rat party. I like to think the GOP was being loyal to the truth. Even those republicans who clearly dislike Trump voted to acquit, sans Romney. They did so because the facts made it impossible for them not to.
Exactly! Excellent take.
Right out of the gate, democrat intelligence operatives began setting up Trump. First with Russian collusion, then Ukraine—and now democrats are telegraphing even more to come!
Anyone noticing a pattern here?
So if you give an inch—even a micron—of credibility to negative media stories or headlines about Trump—you know, reports that come from the same unabashed media that act as press agents for the democrat party—then you are playing the fool.
The democrat party media is lying. That’s been shown to be the case time and time again for thirty years. (If the day ends in the letter “y†then the media is lying to you and carrying water for democrats. Don’t believe the media)
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Exactly! Excellent take.
Right out of the gate, democrat intelligence operatives began setting up Trump. First with Russian collusion, then Ukraine—and now democrats are telegraphing even more to come!
Anyone noticing a pattern here?
So if you give an inch—even a micron—of credibility to negative media stories or headlines about Trump—you know, reports that come from the same unabashed media that act as press agents for the democrat party—then you are playing the fool.
The democrat party media is lying. That’s been shown to be the case time and time again for thirty years. (If the day ends in the letter “y†then the media is lying to you and carrying water for democrats. Don’t believe the media)
I beg you all to make the time necessary to watch the video below before it disappears. Glen Beck carefully lays out WHY they had no choice but do what they did. It's a scandal of HUGE proportions!
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCSwqca8KXU&feature=youtu.be#)
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@roamer_1
I remember TOS during the Obama- Romney campaign. But I wasn't told Romney was a conservative. I was told I had to vote for him to "save us" from another 4 years of Obama. And someone had almost persuaded me to do so...till about a day or two before the election when I heard Romney promise a crowd that if he was elected, there would be yet another "jobs program." I realized he wasn't an alternative to Obama at all. Just maybe a slightly "lighter" version.
I had many an argument about Romney's supposed conservatism... And McCain's. Same ol shtick too - all the hater nonsense, anti-mormon nonsense, purist nonsense... Round and round. Same with BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome). The exact same shaming that never has worked on me. In fact, it gets my neck up even more and I dang well won't move.
Once again, we true conservatives don't really have a choice in November...unless you do what I intend to do and that is to stay at home. It's not what I want to do. I promised my Dad I would always vote and I have tried my best to keep that promise. But this will be the fourth presidential election in a row where I cannot in good conscience vote Republican or Democrat. Sorry, Dad, but I've had enough.
I'll be fine. I will probably vote Constitution Party. Either I will find a Conservative to vote for, or I simply will not vote.
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The big boys don't like him much @berdie Read and weep: https://ktrh.iheart.com/content/2020-02-06-cornyns-primary-challenger-claims-texas-gop-is-using-dnc-tactics/?fbclid=IwAR2sw8m-Oyb57g-pjB1PiUAuuKwp1evAr0dW1uKcTqvlbve1J2viettUin4
I hate that this is happening in the Texas GOP. But, it's not Dwayne Stovall's fault.
It started with the colossal mistake of hiring Steve Munisteri who is the "point man" for the Cornyn campaign.
Both the Texas and National GOP have correctly pointed out that Texas has veered to the left. What they FAIL to point out is Cornyn's hand in that.
The fact that John Cornyn has consistently voted with the Democrats on issues like immigration, the border wall, etc. has caused Texas Republican voters to stay home in droves.
And, don't forget, John Cornyn has never, NEVER, voted against a bloated budget! In his entire career, he has never even voiced concern about deficits that now threaten our children and grandchildren with abject poverty.
The fact is Dwayne can't even hire a decent consultant even if he wanted to much less purchase TV and radio time in any large market.
The big boys play REALLY dirty!
Thanks for the info @Bigun . This really annoys me. I'm sure it has been going on for years. Stovall is a good guy that I would vote for again.
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I expect Romney will vote more and more against Mr. Trump and the Republicans, and side more and more with the democrat-communists.
We don't really need his vote, anyway, so long as Collins and Murkowski can be kept in line.
He's got the shovel firmly in his hands now -- let him keep diggin' !!
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I beg you all to make the time necessary to watch the video below before it disappears. Glen Beck carefully lays out WHY they had no choice but do what they did. It's a scandal of HUGE proportions!
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCSwqca8KXU&feature=youtu.be#)
Watched it all. Thanks @Bigun lets hope something comes from it.
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Watched it all. Thanks @Bigun lets hope something comes from it.
:amen: @skeeter :amen: If nothing comes of that we are well and truly sunk IMHO.
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I heard just this morning listening to Gov. Huckabee—who ran twice for the party’s nomination against Romney—that Romney didn’t vote for Reagan.
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Sorry, @roamer_1 but no! EVERYONE was doing no such thing! He was the last stop before Obama for many and for myself I was never able to convince myself to vote for him.
Ditto