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Title: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: mystery-ak on July 15, 2019, 01:28:37 pm
July 15, 2019
Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
By Monica Showalter

So did Trump blow it by implicitly telling Rep. Ilhan Omar to go back to her home country, fix it up, and get back to us? Did he overplay his hand? Is a remark like that, universally decried by Democrats, a step too far?

Not by Trump's standards.

The controversial string of tweets, which stirred the pot mightily in the press, described here, were as politically incorrect as they come. In fact, Trump hasn't put out a string like this since the 2016 campaign.

And actually, the tweets were at least in part about the 2020 campaign. They were also about weakening House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, whom he's obviously treating as his real competition over the many-headed Democrat clown car of presidential candidates.

But it's telling that even as Pelosi spars with Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Trump actually took on Ocasio-Cortez's pal, Rep. Ilhan Omar, who was the only one who actually came from a foreign country.

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Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: skeeter on July 15, 2019, 01:32:20 pm
Of course not.

He is simply voicing a reasonable & natural response to an obvious ingrate which the totalitarian left has been busily suppressing these past years.

Through all the gasping & pearl clutching MOST people are quietly nodding their heads.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: rustynail on July 15, 2019, 01:42:41 pm
Of course not.

He is simply voicing a reasonable & natural response to an obvious ingrate which the totalitarian left has been busily suppressing these past years.

Through all the gasping & pearl clutching MOST people are quietly nodding their heads.
It is a beautiful thing.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Victoria33 on July 15, 2019, 02:14:02 pm
TV says Trump directed his tweet against four women.  Trump's tweet was his usual tacky self.
All people here, except American Indians are from another country.  What country did your ancestors come from?  Trump could decide he wants you to go back to "your" country; send ICE to get you and send you off.  My ancestors are from Britain and Scotland.  Let's all pack a bag in case we get sent back to our countries.

Every day Trump attacks people and countries, creating more chaos which he lives on - if anyone is not him, he wants that person gone.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: skeeter on July 15, 2019, 02:17:00 pm
It is a beautiful thing.

Yes it is.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 15, 2019, 02:34:05 pm
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Donald J. Trump‏
Verified account  @realDonaldTrump

When will the Radical Left Congresswomen apologize to our Country, the people of Israel and even to the Office of the President, for the foul language they have used, and the terrible things they have said. So many people are angry at them & their horrible & disgusting actions!

3:54 AM - 15 Jul 2019

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150720283654938625
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 15, 2019, 02:37:51 pm
The President knows the pulse of the American people consistently maligned by the socialist democrats and their master, the MSM.  The  President understands millions of household across this country are filled with people applauding and high-fiving!

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President Trump Highlights Democrat Activist Hypocrisy – Flee to America, and Demand We Change it…
Conservative Treehouse, Jul 14, 2019   

Earlier today President Trump drew attention to another uncomfortable truth.  Some of the most virulent anti-American progressive lawmakers entered the United States for the opportunity and freedom within our system.  However, those same politicians then decry the U.S. and demand changes to the system providing the benefit.

In essence, do not flee to the land of liberty, indulge in the benefits and then have the audacity to criticize the foundation of the nation providing the opportunity.


https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/07/14/president-trump-highlights-democrat-activist-hypocrisy-flee-to-america-and-demand-we-change-it/#more-166261






Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 15, 2019, 02:41:15 pm
Of course not.

He is simply voicing a reasonable & natural response to an obvious ingrate which the totalitarian left has been busily suppressing these past years.

Through all the gasping & pearl clutching MOST people are quietly nodding their heads.

 888high58888
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: TomSea on July 15, 2019, 02:51:11 pm
The OP is correct, I wondered about this statement, I don't think it was impulsive, it had to be, per another article I read, a crafted statement and intentional.  Reading the tweets themselves without commentary, I don't think it is that offensive. Also, I'm knowing nothing about this 4th congresswomen from Massachusetts. I'm not sure if I assume, it was meant for all 4 of them. 3 of them, at least, Tlaib and Omar have said very nasty things. I haven't read AOC that closely, what she says just seems to be stupid but maybe I'm missing something.  Racist? No, not really. Ill-advised? It does seem this was done intentionally.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 15, 2019, 03:14:39 pm
I'd say he's made a mistake.
The problem is, every time I think that, he comes out okay.
It's a whole new different kind of deal nowadays.

Probably won't hurt him.
The people who don't like him, still won't like him.
The people the do like him, will still like him.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch...............
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: jpsb on July 15, 2019, 03:48:41 pm
Only the seriously insane Marxists like "the squad" so I'd say President Trump will be ok.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: truth_seeker on July 15, 2019, 04:29:02 pm
1968, 1972, 1980, 1984

Law & Order, Silent Majority.

Let's hope this country still has enough folks left, with common-sense.


Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: EasyAce on July 15, 2019, 05:11:21 pm
The OP is correct, I wondered about this statement, I don't think it was impulsive, it had to be, per another article I read, a crafted statement and intentional.

The Method Behind Trump’s Racism: It works as long as no Republicans speak out against him. (https://thebulwark.com/the-method-behind-trumps-racism/)
Donald Trump’s Tweets Were Malicious, and Republican Silence is Deafening. (https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/donald-trumps-tweets-were-malicious-and-republican-silence-is-deafening/)

Excerpt from the second linked article:

With the exception of [Ilhan] Omar, the country “from whence they came” is the United States of America. All of these Congresswomen, including Omar, have a constitutional right to “tell the people of the United States” how our “government is to be run.” The very notion that nonwhite Americans should leave this country to go back to ancestral homelands to prove their worth is deeply repugnant.

Moreover, there is something especially gross about a man who was too timid even to face the draft during his own generation’s war now presuming to define how Americans seek to reform their government. He is the last person to be the arbiter of patriotism or national loyalty . . .

. . . Let’s also deal with the idea that the one actual immigrant Trump targeted owes a special debt of gratitude to the country and therefore temper her critiques of American politics and culture. I believe Ilhan Omar is a toxic presence in American politics. Her critiques are deeply misguided. But she should temper her critiques because they’re wrong, not because she’s an immigrant.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Absalom on July 15, 2019, 05:42:42 pm
Ah..........Trumpet's Fans are up early and out in force. What a surprise!!!
A reflection on the Four Musketeers (AOC/AP/IO/RT), who have been on Pelosi's case
for many weeks w/increasing frequency and harshness; thereby damaging her.
So much so, that noisy dissension has commenced among Dem leaders.
Sun-tzu advised that when your enemies are destroying themselves; prudence dictates
passivity by staying far away.
But what's that noise rumbling in the distance???
Heidi-Ho, why its Trumpet and his Calvary riding to the rescue demanding an apology!!!
The msm is beside themselves w/glee w/this change in focus!!!
Trumpet is the gift that keeps on giving for the left and they will dearly miss him!!!

 
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 15, 2019, 08:06:29 pm
I'd say he's made a mistake.
The problem is, every time I think that, he comes out okay.
It's a whole new different kind of deal nowadays.

Probably won't hurt him.
The people who don't like him, still won't like him.
The people the do like him, will still like him.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch...............

Thus, the major problem is he doesn't expand his base, while reestablishing the anger the Democrats have for him.

Trump just can't help himself...I agree with another poster's remarks about Sun Tzu...in today's lingo, when your enemies are in an internecine war, just keep popping the popcorn.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: berdie on July 15, 2019, 08:38:58 pm
Ah..........Trumpet's Fans are up early and out in force. What a surprise!!!
A reflection on the Four Musketeers (AOC/AP/IO/RT), who have been on Pelosi's case
for many weeks w/increasing frequency and harshness; thereby damaging her.
So much so, that noisy dissension has commenced among Dem leaders.
Sun-tzu advised that when your enemies are destroying themselves; prudence dictates
passivity by staying far away.
But what's that noise rumbling in the distance???
Heidi-Ho, why its Trumpet and his Calvary riding to the rescue demanding an apology!!!
The msm is beside themselves w/glee w/this change in focus!!!
Trumpet is the gift that keeps on giving for the left and they will dearly miss him!!!





I agree somewhat.
Pelosi was doing her best to get the Chippies under control in her own way. Now she has to defend them.

He may have thought he was doing good...but I'm not sure.

Disclaimer...I'm not in politics...but I agree with everything he said.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: goatprairie on July 15, 2019, 11:44:17 pm
Only the seriously insane Marxists like "the squad" so I'd say President Trump will be ok.
In Trump's favor is that those skanks are truly awful people. Is skank too lenient a word?
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Hoodat on July 15, 2019, 11:49:24 pm
The ones taking the political risk here will be the Democrats, tomorrow when they make these four women the face of the Democrat Party.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: skeeter on July 15, 2019, 11:54:35 pm
I'd say he's made a mistake.
The problem is, every time I think that, he comes out okay.
It's a whole new different kind of deal nowadays.

Nicely sums up what I've learned over the past two years.

Bottom line for me is what I thought worked doesn't anymore. I don't know why.

So I guess it's time for something new.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 15, 2019, 11:58:57 pm
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Donald J. Trump ‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

The Dems were trying to distance themselves from the four “progressives,” but now they are forced to embrace them. That means they are endorsing Socialism, hate of Israel and the USA! Not good for the Democrats!

2:26 PM - 15 Jul 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150879404593205249


Scott Adams ‏Verified account @ScottAdamsSays
Scott Adams Retweeted Donald J. Trump

Checkmate. And he only needed to sacrifice four pawns. #Squad

Larry Schweikart ‏ @LarrySchweikart 17m17 minutes ago
Larry Schweikart Retweeted Scott Adams

Scott gets it.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 16, 2019, 12:01:10 am
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Rudy Giuliani ‏ Verified account
@RudyGiuliani 28m28 minutes ago

 AOC, Tlaib and Omar criticize America so often and so viciously preferring Soviet, Chinese, Venezuelan socialism to our free market economy that saying they would be happier somewhere else is a fair response. To say it’s racist is almost as ignorant as their statements.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 16, 2019, 12:01:49 am
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Sean Davis ‏Verified account @seanmdav

Imagine being a “conservative” who spent all day sanctimoniously defending Ilhan Omar’s virtue and courage and contributions to American democracy, only to have her hold a press conference where she refused to denounce Al Qaeda and Islamic terrorism
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: dfwgator on July 16, 2019, 12:02:18 am
In Trump's favor is that those skanks are truly awful people. Is skank too lenient a word?

Only Trump could expose these cockroaches to the light as he has.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 16, 2019, 12:02:34 am
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Trump War Room Retweeted
Erick Erickson ‏ Verified account

@EWErickson 41m41 minutes ago

 After hearing that press conference from those House members, I donated $250.00 to re-elect @realDonaldTrump.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 16, 2019, 12:03:17 am
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Shireen Qudosi
 @ShireenQudosi
 Â·
 39m
 I am more pro Trump now than I was as one of five openly pro-Trump Muslims in 2016.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 16, 2019, 12:04:44 am
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NBC News
 @NBCNews
 Â·
 45m
 Analysis: President Trump wants the Democratic Party stuck to its progressive fringe so that he can portray his opponents as too extreme to lead the country.

As Democrats defended Speaker Pelosi, he moved quickly, sending some tweets to flip the script.

Strategery.   :smokin:
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 16, 2019, 12:07:39 am

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Wyatt ‏ @SayWhenLA 6m6 minutes ago

Over the past 40 years DJT has been recognized REPEATEDLY by civil rights leaders, inner city youth programs, police depts, Wounded Warriors, & more for his generous support. To call the man a racist bc he's saying what EVERYONE is thinking is absurd. Keep it up @realDonaldTrump

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Rep. Ralph Abraham ‏Verified account @RepAbraham

4h4 hours ago

There’s no question that the members of Congress that @realDonaldTrump called out have absolutely said anti-American and anti-Semitic things. I’ll pay for their tickets out of this country if they just tell me where they’d rather be.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 16, 2019, 12:07:55 am
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Jack Posobiec
 @JackPosobiec
 Â·
 10m
“There’s no way you can get the Dems to endorse Antifa, Al Qaeda, and Venezuela all in the same week”

Trump: Hold my covfefe
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 16, 2019, 12:09:32 am
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Tom Sauer
 @thomasbsauer
 Â·
 31m

 Do you see how @realDonaldTrump just sucked the air out of the room and re-set the frame of the national conversation?

When was the last time you heard anything about @TheDemocrats  primary race?

If you haven’t read #WinBigly by  @ScottAdamsSays, you really should.


Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: aligncare on July 16, 2019, 12:37:03 am
It’s nice having a non-politician in the WH who can practice politics better than GOP professional politicians have in 30 years.

The difference is, this political novice eschews that brand of feckless politics practiced by the career politicians...instead Trump is not there to advance his career (he’s already made his mark in the business world), but rather the interest of average American citizens. I like that.  :yowsa:
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Fishrrman on July 16, 2019, 12:57:26 am
Groucho wrote:
"I'd say he's made a mistake.
The problem is, every time I think that, he comes out okay.
It's a whole new different kind of deal nowadays."


In view of your own words, have you considered that it's your own reasoning which may require reassessment here...?
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 16, 2019, 02:48:13 am
Groucho wrote:
"I'd say he's made a mistake.
The problem is, every time I think that, he comes out okay.
It's a whole new different kind of deal nowadays."


In view of your own words, have you considered that it's your own reasoning which may require reassessment here...?

Nope
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: roamer_1 on July 16, 2019, 02:50:43 am
Nope

That's right.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 16, 2019, 02:52:57 am
That's right.

 :beer:
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: rangerrebew on July 16, 2019, 11:40:22 am
To leftists, Trump's beating heart is a political problem and he is at risk for impeachment because of it.  Telling the Muslima to leave after she married her brother to get him in the country, which I would assume is illegal, should be a no brainer.  And it is.  The people attacking him over it have no brains.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: goatprairie on July 16, 2019, 12:42:45 pm
I'm not exactly a huge Trump fan, and he obviously doesn't know much about tact.
Nevertheless, the four Dem congresswomen are examples are some of the worst anti-American pols to ever infest congress. I don't care what color they are, whatever color, I wish they'd all leave too if they don't like it here.
I feel the same way about numerous white pols and celebrities.
Don't like it here? ...leave.  As quickly as possible.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Hoodat on July 16, 2019, 02:18:59 pm
I'm not exactly a huge Trump fan, and he obviously doesn't know much about tact.
Nevertheless, the four Dem congresswomen are examples are some of the worst anti-American pols to ever infest congress.

And for the current news cycle, they are now the face of the Democrat Party.  Trump said exactly that during his presser yesterday.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Hoodat on July 16, 2019, 02:32:03 pm
Trump answers.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArTBnyDMIlY#)
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 16, 2019, 03:13:22 pm
TV says Trump directed his tweet against four women.  Trump's tweet was his usual tacky self.
All people here, except American Indians are from another country. What country did your ancestors come from?  Trump could decide he wants you to go back to "your" country; send ICE to get you and send you off.  My ancestors are from Britain and Scotland.  Let's all pack a bag in case we get sent back to our countries.

Every day Trump attacks people and countries, creating more chaos which he lives on - if anyone is not him, he wants that person gone.
What a stupid comment.

How did these people get here anyway?  Was this the Garden of Eden?
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: truth_seeker on July 16, 2019, 03:54:40 pm
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6zBw2DUlFc#)


This videomeme was made by Carpe Donktum, who was also in attendance at the Social media assembly with the President, recently.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 16, 2019, 04:23:44 pm
TV says Trump directed his tweet against four women.  Trump's tweet was his usual tacky self.
All people here, except American Indians are from another country.  What country did your ancestors come from?  Trump could decide he wants you to go back to "your" country; send ICE to get you and send you off.  My ancestors are from Britain and Scotland.  Let's all pack a bag in case we get sent back to our countries.
@Victoria33

Did you actually read his tweet?  He never proposed, for even a single second, that ICE or any other organization should have the power to expel American citizens and send them back to their ancestors' country of origin against their will.  What he said was "if you don't like it, then leave."  (He actually suggested that they leave, find solutions to the problems plaguing those countries, and then return to tell the rest of us how to fix all of them).  He was suggesting to them that they had a choice to leave if they didn't like it.

It's a standard rhetorical response to anything where someone is complaining so bitterly about something in which they are partaking.  "If you don't like this bar, then leave".  "If you don't like this TV show, turn it off."  "If you don't like TOS, then leave".

Pointing out that someone has the option to leave this country if they don't like it isn't remotely close to saying that anyone who dissents is going to be expelled by force of law.

Heck, what's so funny about this is that it's just the flip side of all those lefties who threatened to move to Canada if Trump won.  Turns out, they weren't really serious but were just making a rhetorical point.  "It's so bad here that I'm just going to move to another country".  Great -- so what's wrong with flipping that rhetorical point and using it against those who apparenlty hate this country so much?  Nobody is forcing them to leave either way.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: goatprairie on July 16, 2019, 04:59:02 pm
@Victoria33

Did you actually read his tweet?  He never proposed, for even a single second, that ICE or any other organization should have the power to expel American citizens and send them back to their ancestors' country of origin against their will.  What he said was "if you don't like it, then leave."  (He actually suggested that they leave, find solutions to the problems plaguing those countries, and then return to tell the rest of us how to fix all of them).  He was suggesting to them that they had a choice to leave if they didn't like it.

It's a standard rhetorical response to anything where someone is complaining so bitterly about something in which they are partaking.  "If you don't like this bar, then leave".  "If you don't like this TV show, turn it off."  "If you don't like TOS, then leave".

Pointing out that someone has the option to leave this country if they don't like it isn't remotely close to saying that anyone who dissents is going to be expelled by force of law.

Heck, what's so funny about this is that it's just the flip side of all those lefties who threatened to move to Canada if Trump won.  Turns out, they weren't really serious but were just making a rhetorical point.  "It's so bad here that I'm just going to move to another country".  Great -- so what's wrong with flipping that rhetorical point and using it against those who apparenlty hate this country so much?  Nobody is forcing them to leave either way.
Virtually everybody carps and whines about some aspect of life or the country. But most Americans love their country and don't really want to radically change things. 
So we accept the carping and whining from many people we know because we know deep down they aren't anti-American.
But from the comments of the "squad" as they call themselves the average person can only conclude they're miserable about living in America and want to radically change it.
They're anti-American.  Perhaps they'd be happier elsewhere.  If only.
Title: Re: Did Trump really take a political risk in telling Omar to go back to her country?
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 16, 2019, 09:44:47 pm
Virtually everybody carps and whines about some aspect of life or the country. But most Americans love their country and don't really want to radically change things. 
So we accept the carping and whining from many people we know because we know deep down they aren't anti-American.
But from the comments of the "squad" as they call themselves the average person can only conclude they're miserable about living in America and want to radically change it.
They're anti-American.  Perhaps they'd be happier elsewhere.  If only.
Yep

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368265.msg2011022.html#msg2011022 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368265.msg2011022.html#msg2011022)