The Briefing Room
General Category => Science, Technology and Knowledge => Topic started by: ChemEngrMBA on November 07, 2012, 04:07:27 am
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I begin with Isaac Asimov, the late, famous, and formerly wealthy science fiction writer. Many of his follies have escaped the notice of millions of his fans. For example, Asimov was a famous atheist, and an exceedingly hateful one at that. But why?
Did you know that Isaac himself claimed his atheism began after he prayed to God to pass a science test and when he failed, he renounced God for the remainder of his life. God did not rise to Asimov's demands, and therefore God had to go. Brilliant, no?
Atheism aside, Isaac was afraid to fly. He only drove or rode on ground transportation, purely out of ignorance. Flying commercially is ten times safer, mile for mile, than driving.
Atheism and ignorance aside, Asimov was a horrible husband and father. He closeted himself in his study with his typewriter, the better to connect with his adoring fans who rewarded him with fame and fortune. Meanwhile his son suffered, without a father. Asimov's son was later arrested when child porn was discovered on his personal computer.
For most decent humans, being a good parent is the most important part of their lives. What good is wealth or fame if you can't love and cherish those who are most dependent on you.
Now let's examine Isaac Asimov's published stupidity.
". . . there is an object a mile above the surface of the earth that is moving upward
at a constant speed. We can tell when it started its journey . . . there is nothing in the upward
direction to stop, we could conclude that it would travel forever and its journey would have no
end." - Counting the Eons, page 150
Well, no it won't "travel forever." There is the earth's gravity, which is substantial, and then there is
air resistance. Other than those.....
"If the tube (used to breath through when underwater) is long enough and wide
enough, all the exhaled air remains in that long tube and you will breathe the same air over
and over again and it will not be long before you suffocate". - page 12
Ignorance waving a science book. Isaac did not understand a couple of things wrong with his remarks.
First, when your chest is a mere four feet underwater, the pressure is so great that you cannot inhale.
I've tried to do it by extending a flexible snorkel, long before I read Counting the Eons.
But even if you could inhale at considerable depth, Isaac was still wrong. You can exhale through your nose,
and inhale continuously fresh air through the snorkel. It's quite elementary.
"We don't feel pressure of the weight of the atmosphere...the body's liquid contents
press outward..." - page 2
No the body's liquid contents don't "press outward." You're simply quite incompressible, aside from the air in your lungs.
Next, Carl Sagan.
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Carl Sagan was a hypocrite of a very high order, perhaps not quite as high as Al Gore or Barack Obama, but up there nonetheless.
Sagan proselytized against overpopulation while having five children of his own.
Sagan proselytized on behalf of global warming while flying and driving everywhere, such was his own great importance.
Sagan claimed that commercial television was ignorant and a waste of time, so naturally he appeared often on.... commercial television.
Carl Sagan was a devout agnostic, in his own way of thinking. This allowed him the intellectual argument of saying there might be a God, he just couldn't make up his own mind, one way or the other. In fact, Sagan continued to propound arguments no different from atheists. Ironically, Sagan's memorial service was held in St. John the Divine Roman Catholic Church in New York City.
Now, some of Sagan's more outrageous and anti-scientific comments from his books.
“Human beings, born ultimately of the stars and now for a while inhabiting a world called Earth, have begun their long voyage home.” - Cosmos, page 12
Sorry, but humans aren't going anywhere. It took Voyager 11 years to get to Jupiter. That's a lot of oxygen and cheeseburgers.
So we speed up by a factor of 10. Still a lot of oxygen and cheeseburgers and nowhere to refuel in space.
“Cosmos” is a Greek word for the order of the universe. It implies the deep interconnectedness of all things.” - page 18
In Pale Blue Dot, Sagan claimed that the universe shows "much poor planning." This is the exact opposite of "deep interconnectedness of all things." Sagan never had any problem contradicting himself, with a smile.
“Intellectual capacity is no guarantee against being dead wrong.” - page 20
Tell that to any liberal professor, or to the massively intellectual Oceander - as he describes himself.
“What a marvelous cooperative arrangement - plants and animals each inhaling each other’s exhalations....” - page 33
There is "much poor planning" in the universe. Pale Blue Dot, page 57
“Astronomical spectroscopy is an almost magical technique. It amazes me still.” - page 93
More of that "poor planning" perhaps.
(Voyager 2 showed that) “Mars was a place.” - page 121
Deep science - "Mars was a place." College students might even understand this, the placeness of Mars. Certainly Oceander would.
“There are limits to what we can do.” - page 124
"We can be fooled." - page 125
Noooo! Really? Carl Sagan, fooled? You mean the guy who predicted that fires in the Gulf War would cause massive global cooling, and might never be put out? The teacher who lamented widespread ignorance, for which teachers must bear a large measure of responsibility?
"We are ready at last to set sail for the stars.” - page 193
Oh yeah. "Ready." Sagan spoke about nuclear blasts powering our space ships. How's that going? Only four light years to the second closest star, after our own sun. Let's see, 669,600,00 mph, the speed of light, divided by ~30,000 mph works out to about 23,000. That number times four years to get there. Bring a fishing pole. There may be some nice bass in the lakes. I mean, if there are any lakes, that is.... on the earth-sized planet circling Alpha Centauri B.
“If we wished we could build Orion now.” - page 206
Orion is the space ship powered by external nuclear explosions. We could build that right now, dontcha know. Challenger might have blown up, but hey.....
“A star twenty times the mass of the Sun will shrink . . . slip through a self-generated crack in the space-time continuum and vanish from our universe.” - page 241
"Self-generated crack... in the space-time continuum..... " vanishing to where, exactly?
“If we must worship a power greater than ourselves, does it not make sense to revere the Sun and stars?” - page 243
Don't revere God. Revere the Sun and the stars. Like the cavemen must have done. Brilliant, Carl. Brilliant.
His follies continue, in book after book, and made him exceedingly wealthy. That's why he smiled at you.
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Seven hundred sixty-six views and no comments, over six and a half years.
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"moving upward at a constant speed" implies that it has a propulsion system capable of countering gravity and atmospheric resistance. I think the leap is to assume that it can continue to go on doing so, just because it has so far.
No the body's liquid contents don't "press outward."
If that's true, either the atmosphere has no weight, or that Newton guy messed up.
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Seven hundred sixty-six views and no comments, over six and a half years.
You will up your hit count here with an article bashing TRrump and/or his supporters.
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Seven hundred sixty-six views and no comments, over six and a half years.
I'm not a drama critic.
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Bad timing. Pretty darn sure there werest a crapload of foolish intellectuals voting obastard in for his second term about the time you posted this my dear slayer.
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Seven hundred sixty-six views and no comments, over six and a half years.
We were waiting for an update to the Topic.
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We were waiting for an update to the Topic.
Give him 6 more years.
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I'm not a drama critic.
@The Ghost
:amen: 888mouth
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Give him 6 more years.
@The Ghost
Or maybe he is waiting for God to talk to him,and doesn't know God has his number on "ignore".
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Seven hundred sixty-six views and no comments, over six and a half years.
Sorry, I don't believe I saw the thread when first posted. Your comment about Asimov rejecting God because of a grade on a science test reminds me of something my nonbelieving liberal Ph.D.-holding sister-in-law said just the other day. She commented that it was a terrible thing that Linda Ronstadt's Parkinson's disease took away her ability to sing. She also noted that the noted cellist, Jacqueline du Pre, died young of MS. My s-i-l, whose husband died at age 41 of leukemia, implied that (assuming there is a God) any "God" who would permit such "tragedies" must be particularly cruel.
I fault myself for not having the ready answer at the time. Of course, God's existence doesn't hinge on how comfy our lives are, or how well we do in school.
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@DeerSlayer
My son was on this voyage on the Canberra ship. He was 14, in summer when he would start high school that fall. He was taught by these men who were on the ship:
Neil A. Armstrong, the first man on the moon.
Scott Carpenter, the second American to orbit the earth.
Isaac Asimov, the prolific science writer.
You will read below what Asimov said about this voyage.
(My son became a director/producer of documentary films and he made a film of Neil Armstrong’s life – so they met two times, once when Wayne was 14 and another time when he made the documentary of the life of Armstrong.)
HERE IS THE ARTICLE ABOUT THE CANBERRA VOYAGE (consider the rest in quotes - my bold on Asimov's name):
AFRICAN ECLIPSE CRUISE
Aboard P&O's CANBERRA
June 22 - July 8, 1973
On June 22, 1973 the fully booked Canberra departed from New York City to position itself off the coast of West Africa to intercept one of the longest total solar eclipses of modern times.
On June 30, 1973, 2600 people aboard the Canberra's Voyage to Darkness rendezvoused with eclipse totality in the mid-Atlantic. This was one of two ships the Pedas-Sigler eclipse cruise organizers sent into the path of totality. Twenty minutes earlier 850 people had witnessed the eclipse aboard the Cunard Adventurer's Caribbean Eclipse Cruise which was positioned in the mid-Atlantic.
On the morning of June 30 as the moon moved in front of the sun, the moon's shadow raced across the earth, causing more than a 100-mile wide path of totality — the condition of total eclipse — which started off the South American coast, moved east across the Atlantic Ocean and the African continent (from Mauritania on the west coast to Kenya on the east) and came to an end somewhere over the Indian Ocean.
The Canberra's decks were renamed "tripod national forest." The New York Times. headline story records the event:
"…A great shout went up from the 2600 people on the upper decks of this ship as the final crescent of sunlight shrank into a brilliant diamond on the edge of the black lunar disk, then vanished. Thousands of instruments from giant one-ton telescopes to small hand-held cameras were aimed at the spectacle."
The Canberra's distinguished lecturers assembled by the Pedas-SiglerVoyage To Darkness organizers included, among others, Neil A. Armstrong, the first man on the moon, and Scott Carpenter, the second American to orbit the earth.
Isaac Asimov, the prolific science writer chronicled his first eclipse experience in his autobiography In Joy Still Felt. In a subsequent letter, he wrote,
"I was on the Canberra en route to the shores of Africa to see a total eclipse of the Sun. The trip there and back included 16 days of lectures and astronomy-related activities. Ted Pedaswas Education Director of the cruise and it was owing to his organizational ability and endless hard work that everything went as smoothly as a well-oiled machine. Years later, I still meet people who recall the cruise and the success it was. Never did so many people have so steadily good a time without any of the activities usually associated with a cruise. They were being educated and loving it."
The enviable lecture staff was rivaled by the passengers themselves—teachers, artists, authors, actors, architects, presidents of planetariums, universities and corporations — residents of nearly every state in the United States and of eight foreign countries. Eclipse devotees included Dr. Karl Ziegler '63 Nobel winner and Harriet Stratemeyer Adams, the authoress of the Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys series. Her book, The Bobbsey Twins on The Sun-Moon Cruise was patterned on the Canberra experience.
Supplementing the Science At Sea and Culture At Sea educational programs, was Captain Eric Snowden's impromptu 'Rescue At Sea.' The drama began when the ship's radio officer intercepted an emergency call to rescue a 63-year-old stricken seaman who had suffered a series of heart attacks aboard a freighter. "You may have noticed that we have changed course," the captain told the passengers over the public address system as the two ships headed for a 2AM rescue rendezvous.
The event was reported in The New York Times as follows:
" … Scientists and students aboard this ship returning from a rendezvous with the solar eclipse last Saturday, combined their skills today and improvised a defibrillator for emergency treatment of a stricken seaman removed from an American cargo vessel in the mid-Atlantic. A pickup team of students, astronomers, physicians and electronics specialists from among the eclipse-watchers went to work with the ship's medical department.
In improvising the defibrillator, the passenger experts, working in cooperation with the ship's staff, used antenna system, plates from a television camera, tripod, screwdrivers with insulated handles, diodes from the kit of a Florida skywatcher and power determinations from the pocket calculator of a Canadian electronics expert. They also used an oscilloscope from testing equipment brought by scientists from the State University of New York at Albany to provide the ship's surgeon with a continuous display of the patient's heart function."
In its August, 1973 issue, SKY AND TELESCOPE reports that the 45,000 ton Canberra, on which the eclipse buffs had traveled nearly 7300 nautical miles, served as a "floating mini-university for two weeks. From early-morning bird watching to late night star-gazing, some 40 experts lectured on science, culture and the fine arts."
Bay Stewart Leber, editor of the The Honolulu Star Bulletin recorded this thought about the African Eclipse Cruise:
"There would be other eclipses, but, to all of us on Canberra, there will never be a shorter or more glorious 5 minutes and 44 seconds than our rendezvous with the cosmos this morning, June 30, 1973."
As always, wherever eclipse buffs gather, the Canberra lives on, golden and true, with the recounting of the magnificent African Eclipse Cruise adventure which proved to be much more than a predictable solar phenomenon.
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@DeerSlayer
My son was on this voyage on the Canberra ship. He was 14, in summer when he would start high school that fall. He was taught by these men who were on the ship:
///// From early-morning bird watching to late night star-gazing, some 40 experts lectured on science, culture and the fine arts."
Bay Stewart Leber, editor of the The Honolulu Star Bulletin recorded this thought about the African Eclipse Cruise:
"There would be other eclipses, but, to all of us on Canberra, there will never be a shorter or more glorious 5 minutes and 44 seconds than our rendezvous with the cosmos this morning, June 30, 1973."
As always, wherever eclipse buffs gather, the Canberra lives on, golden and true, with the recounting of the magnificent African Eclipse Cruise adventure which proved to be much more than a predictable solar phenomenon.
A sixteen day cruise, burning tens of thousands of gallons of *toxic* fossil fuel, the bane of Leftists such as Isaac Asimov, for 5 minutes and 44 seconds of watching the sun disappear behind the moon.
Sounds rather like tens of millions of other Eco-Hypocrites driving to Earth Day celebrations all over the U.S., flying to environmental conferences all around the globe, 22,000 most recently in Europe, for five days.
Indeed, they (members of the scientific community) are widely considered self-righteous, vain, politically immature, and arrogant. This last is considered a special injustice. - The Devil's Delusion: Atheism and Its Scientific Pretensions, by David Berlinski, page 6
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I fault myself for not having the ready answer at the time. Of course, God's existence doesn't hinge on how comfy our lives are, or how well we do in school.
@mountaineer
That's right. You must NOT be critical of God because he is a jealous God,and will turn you and everyone in your family into stone statues.
In a kind,gentle,loving way,of course.
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God is righteous, just and holy. But He also is loving, merciful and forgiving.
What would it accomplish to criticize God for something "bad" happening to me? Really? Where is it stated that I (or anyone) should be exempt from bad stuff happening? Who in this world has escaped pain, illness, loss or death?
God will not turn me into a stone statue. He will welcome me into His kingdom, and I will glorify Him forever.
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That's right. You must NOT be critical of God because he is a jealous God,and will turn you and everyone in your family into stone statues.
In a kind,gentle,loving way,of course.
I suggest you read The Devil's Delusion: Atheism and Its Scientific Pretensions, by David Berlinski, and
The Irrational Atheist, by Vox Day.
Some citations from both books follow:
Delusion, p 21 "Religion," he (Steven Weinberg) affirmed, "is an insult to human dignity."
In speaking thus, Weinberg was warmly applauded, not one member of his audience asking the question one might have thought pertinent: Just who has imposed on the suffering human race poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives, experiments in eugenics, the formula for Zyklon B, heavy artillery, pseudo-scientific justification for mass murder, cluster bombs, attack submarines, napalm, intercontinental ballistic missiles, military space platforms, and nuclear weapons?
If memory serves, it was not the Vatican.
The psychologist Steven Pinker has thus introduced into the discussion the remarkable claim that "something in modernity and its cultural institutions has made us nobler. On the scale of decades, comprehensive data again paint a shockingly happy picture.
p 22 A Shockingly Happy Picture by Excess Deaths
First World War 15 million
Soviet Union, Stalin's Regime 20 million
Second World War 55 million
People's Republic of China, Mao Zedong 40 million
Congo Free State 8 million
Russian Civil War 9 million
Turkish massacres of Armenians 1.5 million
Kinshasa, Congo 3.8 million
Second Indochina War 3.5 million
Korean War 2.8 million
Cambodia, Khmer Rouge 1.65 million
[Two more pages of death statistics follow]
p 26 What Hitler did not believe, and what Stalin did not believe and what Mao did not believe and what the SS did not believe and what the Gestapo did not believe and what the NKVD did not believe and what the commissars, functionaries, swaggering executioners, Nazi doctors, Communist Party theoreticians, intellectuals, Brown Shirts, Black Shirts, gauleiters, and a thousand party hacks did not believe was that God was watching what they were doing.
Irrational
IV
The Religion of Reason
Atheists often express anger and bewilderment at the low esteem in which they are collectively held by the rest of the world. (Amazingly, it appears that telling people how evil and stupid they are may not be the best way of convincing them to see things your way.) – page 61
To the New Atheists, science … is something to be prostituted in order to sell the secularist Enlightenment morality… Having already sold out science, they reject any sense of scientific responsibility and thus will tolerate no skepticism, let alone outright opposition. Dawkins is the worst offender… – page 67
(New Atheists sell secular morality with a scientific sheen.) page 68
The original Enlightenment led directly to the French Revolution, and only 349 days after the citoyens sans-culottes established the French Republic, the bloody Reign of Terror began. – page 72
Marx and Engels put a scientific spin on their socialism, which inspired the Russian Revolution of 1919 and all the humane joys inherent in seventy years of Communist rule. – page 73
The undeniable fact is that the absurdity most often believed by those who have committed Man’s greatest atrocities is that there is no God. – page 77
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You will up your hit count here with an article bashing TRrump and/or his supporters.
Right on! Good one. :silly: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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@mountaineer
That's right. You must NOT be critical of God because he is a jealous God,and will turn you and everyone in your family into stone statues.
In a kind,gentle,loving way,of course.
Oh Pete..OUT OF CONTEXT....please don't do that. I believe in a HIGHER POWER...some call God. Prayers are known to work. Maybe it is the positive 'energy"...I don't know, but even PLANTS do better when prayed over. READERS DIGEST.
Funny, what one remembers. When I was going through Chemo...I thanked GOD for curing me & all the hospital staff, then prayed for GOD to make it so.
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If I am wrong..no big deal..if YOU are wrong..you are scr3wed. lol
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If I am wrong..no big deal..if YOU are wrong..you are scr3wed. lol
Atheists misunderstand Pascal's Wager. They think that of course they MUST be right and therefore there will be no consequence to their disobedience. What they overlook is the rewards inherent in Christian beliefs here today.
Christians are happier than atheists. [Their snarky, snotty response is always "Ignorance is bliss." But faith is not ignorance.]
Christians are more likely to be married than atheists.
Christians are more likely to have children than atheists.
Christians are more generous than atheists and Leftists, not only to churches, but also to secular organizations, in giving to friends, relatives, and even giving blood.
Nobody comes out of prison claiming to have a change in their life, a newfound belief in "nothing."
Nobody comes out and says, "I'm a changed man. I've found nothing!"
"In the nineteenth century, Charles Bradlaugh, a prominent atheist, challenged a Christian man to debate the validity of the claims of Christianity. The Christian, Hugh Price Hughes, was an active soul-winner who worked among the poor in the slums of London. Hughes told Bradlaugh he would agree on one condition.
Hughes said, “I propose to you that we each bring some concrete evidences of the validity of our beliefs in the form of men and women who have been redeemed from the lives of sin and shame by the influences of our teaching. I will bring 100 such men and women, and I challenge you to do the same.â€
Hughes then said that if Bradlaugh couldn’t bring 100, then he could bring 50; if he couldn’t bring 50 then he could bring 20. He finally whittled the number down to one. All Bradlaugh had to do was find one person whose life was improved by atheism and Hughes - who would bring 100 people improved by Christ - would agree to debate him.
Bradlaugh withdrew!" - The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict, by Josh McDowell, page 156
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Seven hundred sixty-six views and no comments, over six and a half years.
Nope.
What striking here...since your last efforts at trolling in 2012, seven years later you're still under 48 posts.
You convict yourself, @DeerSlayer
but, carry-on.
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All are entitled, yet suggest reinventing the wheel is unnecessary here.
The Natural Law uncovered through reason by the Ancients, involves
concepts of morality down through all ages of Man.
It is defined by observing the behavior of human nature rather than
any cultural/societal rules.
Additionally, Man was created w/a Spiritual Impulse manifested in his
religious affiliation.
While independent of the other, each classify/categorize Mankind for eternity.
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If I am wrong..no big deal..if YOU are wrong..you are scr3wed. lol
@LegalAmerican
I have heard that mantra all my life. I refuse to live in fear.
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Nope.
What (sic) striking here...since your last efforts at trolling in 2012, seven years later you're still under 48 posts.
You convict yourself, @DeerSlayer
but, carry-on. (sic)
What I said stands, notwithstanding your "Nope."
"Trolling" is a trivial epithet hurled at anyone who writes something the name-caller doesn't like and can't refute using facts and common sense. What's next, "racist" and "fascist"?
Your comment was almost below my response threshold, but for the sake of others who may be willing to learn from your mistakes, I responded this one time. I doubt that I ever will again. I trust that this forum has an Ignore List. You'll be the first name on mine.
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@LegalAmerican
I have heard that mantra all my life. I refuse to live in fear.
Your pretense of courage will avail you absolutely NOTHING. But keep on pretending.....
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Your pretense of courage will avail you absolutely NOTHING. But keep on pretending.....
@DeerSlayer
I'm not the one that is terrified and kissing mythical ass to be "saved",Bubba.
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BKMK
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That's enough, both of you. Move on.
@sneakypete @DeerSlayer
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@DeerSlayer
I'm not the one that is terrified and kissing mythical ass to be "saved",Bubba.
Not ONE Christian is "terrified." You make up everything you say.
Loving and respecting our Creator is not "kissing mythical ass."
And rest assured, we ARE saved. You, not so much.
Christians are, on average, happier than atheists. Christians have better sex lives, lower rates of clinical depression and suicide. Christians give more money, more blood, and donate more of their time to all categories, religious, secular, family, and friends.
On your side of the Godless Ledger, atheists have murdered 150,000,000 in the twentieth century. That grisly toll continues, though at something of a reduced rate.
http://AtheismIsEvil.blogspot.com (http://AtheismIsEvil.blogspot.com)
“It seems to me that when confronted with the marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how. The only possible answers are religious…. I find a need for God in the universe and in my own life.†- Arthur L. Schawlow, Professor of Physics at Stanford University, winner of the Nobel Prize in physics, believes that new scientific discoveries provide compelling evidence for a personal God.
“As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind.†― Max Planck
"Only a rookie who knows nothing about science would say science takes away from faith. If you really study science, it will bring you closer to God." - James Tour, Professor of Biochemistry, Rice University
For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been waiting there for centuries. - Robert Jastrow
“Astronomers now find they have painted themselves into a corner because they have proven, by their own methods, that the world began abruptly in an act of creation to which you can trace the seeds of every star, every planet, every living thing in this cosmos and on the earth. And they have found that all this happened as a product of forces they cannot hope to discover. That there are what I or anyone would call supernatural forces at work is now, I think, a scientifically proven fact.†― Robert Jastrow
“There is no doubt that a parallel exists between the big bang as an event and the Christian notion of creation from nothing.†- Nobel Prize winner George Smoot
Note: I posted this before reading the Moderator's warning. Rather than comment as he did, the Moderator SHOULD have deleted the hateful crap immediately preceding his post. Hateful condescension is anti-intellectual, unscientific, and utterly typical of atheists. They never seem to realize that.
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Not ONE Christian is "terrified." You make up everything you say.
Loving and respecting our Creator is not "kissing mythical ass."
And rest assured, we ARE saved. You, not so much.
Christians are, on average, happier than atheists. Christians have better sex lives, lower rates of clinical depression and suicide. Christians give more money, more blood, and donate more of their time to all categories, religious, secular, family, and friends.
On your side of the Godless Ledger, atheists have murdered 150,000,000 in the twentieth century.
@DeerSlayer
I can't let those lies and that slander pass without responding.
No one can accuse you of not drinking your Soylent Green,can they,comrade?
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@DeerSlayer
It was my son I told you about on the Canberra ship. Now you post,
"'Only a rookie who knows nothing about science would say science takes away from faith. If you really study science, it will bring you closer to God. - James Tour, Professor of Biochemistry, Rice University.'"
My son went to Rice University majoring in Space Physics and Astronomy.
Strange as you make comments here, it touches my life in some way.
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What I said stands, notwithstanding your "Nope."
"Trolling" is a trivial epithet hurled at anyone who writes something the name-caller doesn't like and can't refute using facts and common sense. What's next, "racist" and "fascist"?
Your comment was almost below my response threshold, but for the sake of others who may be willing to learn from your mistakes, I responded this one time. I doubt that I ever will again. I trust that this forum has an Ignore List. You'll be the first name on mine.
Yes, we have an ignore feature..it is in your Profile settings and works wonders...
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@DeerSlayer
Read Counting to God: A Personal Journey Through Science to Belief
Hardcover – 2014
by Douglas Ell (Author)
https://www.amazon.com/Counting-God-Personal-Journey-Through/dp/0963270168/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Counting+to+God&qid=1565394163&s=books&sr=1-1 (https://www.amazon.com/Counting-God-Personal-Journey-Through/dp/0963270168/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Counting+to+God&qid=1565394163&s=books&sr=1-1)
Go there and read about it. Seriously, you need this book.
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Why is this 2012 thread still open?
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Why is this 2012 thread still open?
Nice. Why should any member be denied the ability or right to post from any dimension?
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Nice. Why should any member be denied the ability or right to post from any dimension?
There's some dimensions that no one should post from, right?
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There's some dimensions (sic) that no one should post from, right?
What dimension(s) would it/they be?
http://AtheismIsEvil.blogspot.com (http://AtheismIsEvil.blogspot.com)
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Atheism aside, Isaac was afraid to fly. He only drove or rode on ground transportation, purely out of ignorance. Flying commercially is ten times safer, mile for mile, than driving.
Well, technically, the flying is not the problem... it's the ceasing to fly that is the problem, and the abrupt stop at the end. Statistics then bend quite the other way, don't they?
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Well, technically, the flying is not the problem... it's the ceasing to fly that is the problem, and the abrupt stop at the end. Statistics then bend quite the other way, don't they?
Roamer, ask someone to explain mortality rates to you, okay? You talk like a high schooler.
Mortality rates are 0.2 deaths per 10 billion passenger miles in commercial aviation.
For automobiles, they are 150 deaths per 10 billion vehicle miles.
That would make cars 750 times more dangerous and deadly than commercial aircraft, which Doofus Asimov feared so much.
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Roamer, ask someone to explain mortality rates to you, okay? You talk like a high schooler.
Mortality rates are 0.2 deaths per 10 billion passenger miles in commercial aviation.
For automobiles, they are 150 deaths per 10 billion vehicle miles.
That would make cars 750 times more dangerous and deadly than commercial aircraft, which Doofus Asimov feared so much.
@DeerSlayer
You SERIOUSLY call Issac Asimov a doofus????????
What's YOUR IQ,bubba?
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Roamer, ask someone to explain mortality rates to you, okay? You talk like a high schooler.
Mortality rates are 0.2 deaths per 10 billion passenger miles in commercial aviation.
For automobiles, they are 150 deaths per 10 billion vehicle miles.
That would make cars 750 times more dangerous and deadly than commercial aircraft, which Doofus Asimov feared so much.
All of that doesn't matter a whit. Liars, damn liars, and statistics, after all.
Where it matters is in the comparison:
You KNOW you are going to crash... Which one will you be more likely to walk away from?
THEN the statistical reality is quite different.
Thanks. I'll stay on the ground.
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Why is this 2012 thread still open?
@Sanguine, the OP'er wanted to bump it, apparently:
Seven hundred sixty-six views and no comments, over six and a half years.
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@Sanguine, the OP'er wanted to bump it, apparently:
And here we are, purt near seven months on and bumping it again. ***suicide***
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And here we are, purt near seven months on and bumping it again. ***suicide***
My uncle used to say a female aged 16 to 25 with a driver's license is the most dangerous animal in the planet. And that was before cellphones.
Interesting enough, in a 2017 survey, the fear of dying ranked 48th at 20.3%.
Fear of Corrupt Government Officials topped the list at 74.5%.
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I didn’t know Asimov was afraid to fly, but I knew Ray Bradbury was afraid to fly.
And I’m not afraid to die. Lou Reed got that bit right. It’s living that’s hard.
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@DeerSlayer
goopo
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I didn’t know Asimov was afraid to fly, but I knew Ray Bradbury was afraid to fly.
@Gefn
Who can blame them? Not only were airplanes and navigation much more primitive and a lot less reliable back then,these were both VERY smart men that liked to be in control over every aspect of their own lives,because let's face it,there has NEVER been a shortage of lazy and clueless fools trying to get through life by doing the absolute minimum.
Being a control freak might not make you the most fun guy at a party,but chances are you will live longer and be healthier and happier.
Let's face it,the reason most airplanes fall out of the sky is due to human error,yet here you are being required to turn over the safety and well-being of both you and your family to the perfect strangers in the cockpit,as well as the mechanics that serviced the airplane.
I suspect this fear of airplanes falling out of the sky may have had something to do with their obsession with space flight. No gravity,no falling.
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@DeerSlayer
goopo
Thank you kindly, Friend. I have a special gift for you. I will send it to you via PM.
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“Since such [scientific] arguments are based upon the laws and theories of positive science, the arguments themselves can never achieve greater certitude than that of these laws and theories. And . . . the scientists dispute among themselves as to the relative truth or value of their laws and theories.â€
“Since the laws and theories of positive science are based upon sensible phenomena as in some way physically observable and measurable, they can never be used to transcend the phenomenal order. But God, as a term to be demonstrated, entirely transcends the phenomenal order. Thus any proof that is strictly and merely from positive science can never demonstrate His existence.†- Maurice Holloway, Introduction to Natural Theology
Many think that science is the only domain that provides knowledge. This view is called ‘scientism’. Notice that the claim that “only science conveys knowledge†is a philosophical claim, not a claim demonstrated by natural science.
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“Since such [scientific] arguments are based upon the laws and theories of positive science, the arguments themselves can never achieve greater certitude than that of these laws and theories. And . . . the scientists dispute among themselves as to the relative truth or value of their laws and theories.â€
“Since the laws and theories of positive science are based upon sensible phenomena as in some way physically observable and measurable, they can never be used to transcend the phenomenal order. But God, as a term to be demonstrated, entirely transcends the phenomenal order. Thus any proof that is strictly and merely from positive science can never demonstrate His existence.†- Maurice Holloway, Introduction to Natural Theology
Many think that science is the only domain that provides knowledge. This view is called ‘scientism’. Notice that the claim that “only science conveys knowledge†is a philosophical claim, not a claim demonstrated by natural science.
Chocolate proves the existence of God. With science.
Cocoa butter naturally melts at the temperature in your mouth, ~37 °C, and this gives it a very unique property.
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You will up your hit count here with an article bashing TRrump and/or his supporters.
ROFL!!! :beer:
Merry Christmas, @truth_seeker !!
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Chocolate proves the existence of God. With science.
Cocoa butter naturally melts at the temperature in your mouth, ~37 °C, and this gives it a very unique property.
Bless you @bigheadfred you are so right. Chocolate is wonderful. Have a blessed Christmas my friend.
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Bless you @bigheadfred you are so right. Chocolate is wonderful. Have a blessed Christmas my friend.
Got that new grandbaby. She is healthy. As much as anyone could want for the holidays. And you too, have a blessed holiday season. She is a good baby, except for when @roamer_1 slips her one of his pickled eggs...
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Got that new grandbaby. She is healthy. As much as anyone could want for the holidays. And you too, have a blessed holiday season. She is a good baby, except for when @roamer_1 slips her one of his pickled eggs...
You should be thanking me... Now you know everything's working right... @bigheadfred
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You should be thanking me... Now you know everything's working right... @bigheadfred
You are right. Thank you for letting us know how grouchy she can get when she is gassy.
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Chocolate proves the existence of God. With science.
Cocoa butter naturally melts at the temperature in your mouth, ~37 °C, and this gives it a very unique (sic) property.
Bless you @bigheadfred you are so right. Chocolate is wonderful. Have a blessed Christmas my friend.
Cocoa butter is not chocolate, Gefn.
Nor does the melting point of cocoa butter "prove the existence of God," as your friend presumably attempts to mock Him.
Finally, your friend clearly doesn't even realize that unique is not qualifiable. Things aren't "more or less" unique." It is an absolute. Either something is or is not unique. He is so wrong, in so many ways. That's what got him on my Ignore List.
ho ho ho
In this thread of "Foolish 'Intellectuals' ".
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Cocoa butter is not chocolate, Gefn.
Nor does the melting point of cocoa butter "prove the existence of God," as your friend presumably attempts to mock Him.
Finally, your friend clearly doesn't even realize that unique is not qualifiable. Things aren't "more or less" unique." It is an absolute. Either something is or is not unique. He is so wrong, in so many ways. That's what got him on my Ignore List.
ho ho ho
In this thread of "Foolish 'Intellectuals' ".
Merry Christmas to you too, @DeerSlayer.
7777sleigh 888deco
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Merry Christmas to you too, @DeerSlayer.
7777sleigh 888deco
Have you ever heard or read of Enoch? So full of knowledge. He never died. Taken by God. Translated. It is with such sadness I see another who has such insight, wisdom, and knowledge. Who missed the translation.
Merry Christmas, @DeerSlayer
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Bkmk
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Bkmk
Noted.
Merry Christmas, M.
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Then you.
By the power of you.
Change it.
@Victoria33 just gifted @Gefn a new Mac LT from her casino winnings.
Gina. (living on a prayer)
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Chocolate proves the existence of God. With science.
Ditto for beer.
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I’m just grateful for this place and all who are in it. That is all I want for Christmas.
And for this cold which has travelled into my ear to go away. I feel icky.
8888mistltoe
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Six reasons why "intellectual" liberalism is a mental disorder:
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/6-reasons-why-liberalism-can-be-considered-a-mental-disorder/ (https://thepoliticalinsider.com/6-reasons-why-liberalism-can-be-considered-a-mental-disorder/)
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Failed Predictions Over Decades
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Perspective on guns, military, liberty, America
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More money, more money, more money. That'll do it THIS time.
It never has before, but THIS time.... you'll see.
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In case no one has mentioned the obvious,it is the JOB of intellectuals to ask questions no one else asks. Even damn-fool questions.
Maybe even ESPECIALLY damn-fool questions.
After all,we learn nothing from the things that everyone else already knows.