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VERDICT: Jury awards Gibson’s Bakery $11 million against Oberlin College
Posted by William A. Jacobson
Friday, June 7, 2019
Punitive damage phase to start next Tuesday, which could increase the damages to $33 million.
The Jury in the Gibson’s Bakery v. Oberlin College case has reached a verdict.
According to our reporter in the Courtroom, the jury awarded $11 million. Here are the details: Allyn W. Gibson was awarded $3 million, David Gibson $5.8 million, Gibson Bros. $2,274,500. Next Tuesday there will be a separate punitive damages which could be a double award (meaning tripling the $11 million to $33 million).
(clarification) Meredith Raimondo was held liable on the libel and interference with business relations, but not intentional infliction of emotional distress. By stipulation, the college is responsible for any amounts awarded against her, so she will not pay anything out of pocket.
We followed this case from the start of the protests, through the lawsuit process, and now trial. Here’s my statement:
More: https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/06/verdict-jury-awards-gibsons-bakery-11-million-against-oberlin-college/
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Cyber Note: This story is about a candy store/bakery that stopped three black Oberlin students from shoplifting and called in the Police. The faculty SJWs whipped up the SJW students to protest in numbers large enough to shut the store (established in 1885) down. It almost drove them out of business completely but they hung on. Oberlin will be paying the damages.
This is not a religious case like the others.
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Wow. Nice!
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Th board of regents will likely reconsider its policy toward covering the liability of its collegiate employees as the person who caused this payout apparently does not have to cough up any money, the college does.
So the libs want feds to forgive student loans incurred to pay for college so its professors can slander others and the college incurs the bills, then feds pay for it?
It is the same as Dems granting unions special rights in order to bulk up unions so they can contribute to Dems.
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Th board of regents will likely reconsider its policy toward covering the liability of its collegiate employees as the person who caused this payout apparently does not have to cough up any money, the college does.
So the libs want feds to forgive student loans incurred to pay for college so its professors can slander others and the college incurs the bills, then feds pay for it?
It is the same as Dems granting unions special rights in order to bulk up unions so they can contribute to Dems.
Ayup. Just about any relationship that involves the Rat party ends up looking like a protection racket.
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Catering to the PC mob is going to cost Oberlin College big bucks
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/catering_to_the_pc_mob_is_going_to_cost_oberlin_college_big_bucks.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/catering_to_the_pc_mob_is_going_to_cost_oberlin_college_big_bucks.html)
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Catering to the PC mob is going to cost Oberlin College big bucks
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/catering_to_the_pc_mob_is_going_to_cost_oberlin_college_big_bucks.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/catering_to_the_pc_mob_is_going_to_cost_oberlin_college_big_bucks.html)
Praying for the triple damages to be awarded.
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Praying for the triple damages to be awarded.
It's likely the statements by the College (linked in the article) will be introduced in next weeks Punitive hearing, making that treble-charge more likely. They still have the smug arrogance that brought them to this point.
Let us pray....
(I wonder how the alumni feel about this?)
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Praying for the triple damages to be awarded.
888high58888 :beer:
I'll definitely join you!
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It's likely the statements by the College (linked in the article) will be introduced in next weeks Punitive hearing, making that treble-charge more likely. They still have the smug arrogance that brought them to this point.
Let us pray....
(I wonder how the alumni feel about this?)
Dean of students, Meredith Raimundo being fired would be a bonus win.
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888high58888 :beer:
I'll definitely join you!
Oberlin today, Berkeley tomorrow....
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Dean of students, Meredith Raimundo being fired would be a bonus win.
She needs to stay there, at least until next week. The less apologetic Oberlin acts, the more likely the extra $22 Million will be awarded.
I found the discussion of Liability Insurance in @mystery-ak's link interesting, because if Insurance has to cover the bar tab, colleges all over are going to have Premiums go up based on the SJW activities of their staffs.
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“People (were too) scared to come in. It’s hard to believe it could get that way in a small town,†he said.
In May testimony during the trial, David Gibson said the protests “devastated†the bakery’s revenue, which forced staffing cuts. The bakery went from 10 to 12 employees with six to seven of whom were full time to six to seven employees and only one working full time, David Gibson testified during the trial.
This also included several family members working without pay. David Gibson and Allyn Gibson told the court they haven’t collected pay since the protests occurred, nor have David’s wife, son and grandson. David Gibson’s brother, who lives in Canton, works 40 to 60 hours a week at the bakery without pay.
The amount of money the Gibson family received was about $2 million short of the $13 million Plakas asked the jury to award before the verdict. The jurors may award the family more than that in a punitive phase — when the jury can consider what commonly are known as “punishment†damages — which begins Tuesday in Lorain County Common Pleas Court.
More reason to award triple damages.
http://www.chroniclet.com/Local-News/2019/06/07/Gibson-s-Bakery-v-Oberlin-College-More-than-11-million-awarded.html (http://www.chroniclet.com/Local-News/2019/06/07/Gibson-s-Bakery-v-Oberlin-College-More-than-11-million-awarded.html)
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“F*ck him,†Raimondo responded in a text message about Copeland. “I’d say unleash the students if I wasn’t convinced this needs to be put behind us.â€
They can't punish Oberlin enough IMO. This text should be proof enough.
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“F*ck him,†Raimondo responded in a text message about Copeland. “I’d say unleash the students if I wasn’t convinced this needs to be put behind us.â€
They can't punish Oberlin enough IMO. This text should be proof enough.
He texted that? Wow...just begging for Punitive Damages, the purpose of which is to discourage future bad acts. This one would definitely do it again.
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Hoping for huge punitive damages.
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Hoping for huge punitive damages.
The "We din't do nuffin" reaction to the verdict doesn't help Oberlin's case. I wonder if that will get admitted as evidence at the Punitive Hearing? :shrug:
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Let the damages be high enough to shutter the doors of that hell hole and salt the earth beneath it!!
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Let the damages be high enough to shutter the doors of that hell hole and salt the earth beneath it!!
:amen: and :amen:
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Let the damages be high enough to shutter the doors of that hell hole and salt the earth beneath it!!
Apparently the college has a few hundred Million in endowments. Look for them to start drying up as the Alumni revolt.
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It's likely the statements by the College (linked in the article) will be introduced in next weeks Punitive hearing, making that treble-charge more likely. They still have the smug arrogance that brought them to this point.
Let us pray....
(I wonder how the alumni feel about this?)
Are you really concerned on how Lena Dunham feels?
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He texted that? Wow...just begging for Punitive Damages, the purpose of which is to discourage future bad acts. This one would definitely do it again.
She's the radical campus SJW archetype I'd love to see utterly slammed. Even looks the roll.
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Are you really concerned on how Lena Dunham feels?
I was thinking more along the lines of "alumni who give money." I like the idea of the school collapsing so Miss Dunham is an alumnus of nothing.
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She's the radical campus SJW archetype I'd love to see utterly slammed. Even looks the roll.
"Roll:" Not a Freudian Slip in this case:
(https://www.oberlin.edu/sites/default/files/styles/width_760/public/content/news/image/meridethraimondo_mg_1537-lpr.jpg?itok=h797ykNg)
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He texted that? Wow...just begging for Punitive Damages, the purpose of which is to discourage future bad acts. This one would definitely do it again.
in context:
The plaintiffs’ lawyers had plenty of examples of what they told the jury was “personal beliefs overshadowing professional responsibility.†In one email, Ben Jones, the vice president of communications for the school wrote to his co-executives in the school administration that, “I love how these Gibson supporters accuse us of making rash assumption decisions, but are totally blind to their own assumptions … all these idiots complain about the college.â€
He closed with, “F*ck-em … they’ve made their own bed now.â€
When Roger Copeland, an Oberlin College professor of theater and dance (he is “emeritus†status now) wrote a letter to the campus newspaper soon after the protests ended, and criticized how the school was treating Gibson’s in the letter, Jones sent a text message in caps saying, “F*CK ROGER COPELAND.â€
“F*ck him,†Raimondo responded in a message. “I’d say unleash the students if I wasn’t convinced this needs to be put behind us.â€
Raimondo was given these examples and others and then asked a very simple question. “When personal beliefs get involved in decision making, does that have an effect on trying to maintain professional responsibility?†asked plaintiffs’ attorney Lee Plakas. She was asked specifically about herself and the higher-ups in the Oberlin College administration.
Her answer was quite surprising.
“Their position is to not have a position,†she said.
Several of the jurors shook their heads in surprise when they heard that from her.
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Oberlin saw a decrease in student enrollment immediately following this incident, and its bonds were downgraded by Moody's as well, so it is already in financial stress as it has been eating into its endowment for at least the last couple of years.
Let's hope this increases that angst.
Oberlin's Enrollment Headache Lingers
A smaller-than-expected freshman class is continuing to cause budget issues at the Ohio institution.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/12/12/oberlin-faces-budget-crunch-due-missed-enrollment-targets (https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/12/12/oberlin-faces-budget-crunch-due-missed-enrollment-targets)
Oh, that Dean of Students that has caused its financial demise is also under fire for discrimination for another lawsuit and remains in her seat at the college.
Get Woke, Go Broke: ‘Social Justice’ Agenda Leads Oberlin College Into Crisis
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--Xzrkw13Qfc/WpYEqsEchWI/AAAAAAAAa5Y/nL4aFVRpPyMxoRnpdURJQkLJD1JYiL-dgCLcBGAs/s1600/Meredith_Raimondo_Oberlin.jpg)
Meredith Raimondo is vice president and dean of students at Oberlin College, an elite liberal arts school in Ohio where the annual cost of attendance (tuition, room and board) is $68,672. Dean Raimondo is also named as a defendant in two lawsuits against Oberlin:
Oberlin College faces two serious lawsuits arising out of social justice activism on campus.
One suit, by a local bakery boycotted by Oberlin students and administration based on apparently false claims the bakery racially profiled students, has been permitted to move forward. . . .
[T]hree Oberlin students were arrested for shoplifting at Gibson’s bakery. Oberlin students claimed racial profiling, and mounted protests and a boycott supported by college student groups, administrators and faculty. The boycott continued even after police released data showing there was no racial profiling in shoplifting arrests at the bakery, and the three students pled guilty. . . . Gibson’s sued the college and its Dean of Students, Meredith Raimondo, for defamation and multiple other claims.
The Gibson’s lawsuit has caused a town-gown split that pits the privileged college and students against ordinary community members. . . .
In another lawsuit, an expelled Oberlin College male student sued claiming the hearing process was biased and stacked against men. . . .
A male student who was expelled from campus in October 2016 for alleged sexual assault has filed a federal lawsuit against Oberlin. . . . [T]he lawsuit contains allegations which, if proven, reflect that Oberlin’s system for adjudicating sexual assault accusations was fundamentally biased against males, at least during the 2015-2016 academic year.
As in the Gibson’s lawsuit, the alleged conduct of Dean of Students Raimondo was at issue.
[T]he student sought to file an Amended Complaint, after discovering a YouTube video in which Raimondo allegedly made statement evidencing bias against males.
Dean Raimondo is allegedly complicit both in the false accusation of racism against Gibson’s Bakery and an anti-male policy under which 100% of students accused of sexual misconduct were found guilty.
https://theothermccain.com/2018/02/27/oberlin-college-social-justice-debt-crisis/ (https://theothermccain.com/2018/02/27/oberlin-college-social-justice-debt-crisis/)
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Oberlin saw a decrease in student enrollment immediately following this incident, and its bonds were downgraded by Moody's as well, so it is already in financial stress as it has been eating into its endowment for at least the last couple of years.
Let's hope this increases that angst.
Oberlin's Enrollment Headache Lingers
A smaller-than-expected freshman class is continuing to cause budget issues at the Ohio institution.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/12/12/oberlin-faces-budget-crunch-due-missed-enrollment-targets (https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/12/12/oberlin-faces-budget-crunch-due-missed-enrollment-targets)
Oh, that Dean of Students that has caused its financial demise is also under fire for discrimination for another lawsuit and remains in her seat at the college.
Get Woke, Go Broke: ‘Social Justice’ Agenda Leads Oberlin College Into Crisis
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--Xzrkw13Qfc/WpYEqsEchWI/AAAAAAAAa5Y/nL4aFVRpPyMxoRnpdURJQkLJD1JYiL-dgCLcBGAs/s1600/Meredith_Raimondo_Oberlin.jpg)
Sounds like another Mizzou in progress. Cool.
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Sounds like another Mizzou in progress. Cool.
And Evergreen.
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And Evergreen.
Well, I guess we know they are "short" one Alumnus. She went to the great IHOP in the sky....
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Why does college cost so much now?
One reason would be awful management, likethis.
Parents and students will put pressure on consts, sooner or later.
Too bad there is not a more visible alternative, in the form of conservative/libertariaan higher education, and internet presence.
There are hints of possible coming attractions. Online degrees with full accreditation, would be great (maybe already here)
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Why does college cost so much now?
One reason would be awful management, likethis.
Parents and students will put pressure on consts, sooner or later.
Too bad there is not a more visible alternative, in the form of conservative/libertariaan higher education, and internet presence.
There are hints of possible coming attractions. Online degrees with full accreditation, would be great (maybe already here)
Politics trumps Education. Businesses usually fail when they stray from the founding mission. What's going on with colleges these days (cheating, politics, student debt) is poisoning them and they don't seem to care, the lust for the Left is more of a lure. Despite their worry about their incoming Freshman class sizes they have no clue what's causing it because of the blinders they strapped on themselves, and that's pure politics.
On the flip side, VocEd is taking off...a growth industry. High tuition is chasing the kids there from the 4-year Universities and Colleges.
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Why does college cost so much now?
One reason would be awful management, likethis.
Parents and students will put pressure on consts, sooner or later.
Too bad there is not a more visible alternative, in the form of conservative/libertariaan higher education, and internet presence.
There are hints of possible coming attractions. Online degrees with full accreditation, would be great (maybe already here)
There are certainly commendable institutions of higher learning out there, so not all are anti-conservative.
Here's an example of one (that as a bonus also has a great football team) that has moral principles
University gives back $21.5M from donor who urged Alabama boycott over abortion law
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,364432.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,364432.0.html)
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Oh-oh! Oberlin College’s insurance company says their policy doesn’t cover the huge verdict against it
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/ohoh_oberlin_colleges_insurance_company_says_their_policy_doesnt_cover_the_huge_verdict_against_them_.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/ohoh_oberlin_colleges_insurance_company_says_their_policy_doesnt_cover_the_huge_verdict_against_them_.html)
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Oh-oh! Oberlin College’s insurance company says their policy doesn’t cover the huge verdict against it
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/ohoh_oberlin_colleges_insurance_company_says_their_policy_doesnt_cover_the_huge_verdict_against_them_.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/ohoh_oberlin_colleges_insurance_company_says_their_policy_doesnt_cover_the_huge_verdict_against_them_.html)
Well ain't that just a damn shame.
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Oh-oh! Oberlin College’s insurance company says their policy doesn’t cover the huge verdict against it
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/ohoh_oberlin_colleges_insurance_company_says_their_policy_doesnt_cover_the_huge_verdict_against_them_.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/ohoh_oberlin_colleges_insurance_company_says_their_policy_doesnt_cover_the_huge_verdict_against_them_.html)
That would be Tango Foxtrot Bravo.
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That would be Tango Foxtrot Bravo.
I think it's hilarious.
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Why does college cost so much now?
One reason would be awful management, likethis.
Parents and students will put pressure on consts, sooner or later.
Too bad there is not a more visible alternative, in the form of conservative/libertariaan higher education, and internet presence.
There are hints of possible coming attractions. Online degrees with full accreditation, would be great (maybe already here)
Three words "Federal Student loans" The loans are guaranteed so consequently colleges could start charging outlandish prices for degrees that really did not provide students with employable skills.
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Apparently the college has a few hundred Million in endowments. Look for them to start drying up as the Alumni revolt.
@Cyber Liberty
What makes you think the people who CHOSE to go to school there and who are now proud Alumni would revolt? They might even double-down on their contributions.
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Three words "Federal Student loans" The loans are guaranteed so consequently colleges could start charging outlandish prices for degrees that really did not provide students with employable skills.
That's exactly what it is.
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@Cyber Liberty
What makes you think the people who CHOSE to go to school there and who are now proud Alumni would revolt? They might even double-down on their contributions.
@sneakypete
I'd like to think the older folks went to an Oberlin that wasn't effed up, but then I realize that's a triumph of hope over experience. :shrug:
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Oh-oh! Oberlin College’s insurance company says their policy doesn’t cover the huge verdict against it
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/ohoh_oberlin_colleges_insurance_company_says_their_policy_doesnt_cover_the_huge_verdict_against_them_.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/ohoh_oberlin_colleges_insurance_company_says_their_policy_doesnt_cover_the_huge_verdict_against_them_.html)
Na Na Na Na Hey Hey-ey Goodbye.
:)
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I am wondering if a judge can be found that will kick the award out as being too large in order to save the loons?
Is something like that even possible?
Or maybe Soros will come riding to the rescue and pay it off himself to keep his program to disarm America rolling?
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June 10, 2019
Oberlin College ignored the First Law of Holes responding to the jury verdict against it
By Thomas Lifson
Lack of respect for juries can be very, very costly. The landmark jury verdict awarding $11 million (with the possibility of triple damages to come) to members of the Gibson Family, owners of a 5-generation bakery boycotted and slandered by students with the encouragement of a College official, is looking to be as much about social class as it is about the excesses social justice warriors (SJWs). I write this, not to castigate the local folk who made up the jury and sympathized with the “townies†attacked by the “gowns†of Oberlin, but rather in recognition of what William A. Jacobson of Legal Insurrection, who owns this story, pointed out about Oberlin’s response to the verdict. It appears that Oberlin, a relatively wealthy and elite college, is so arrogant – full of hubris as Clarice Feldman pointed out yesterday – that it forgot (or never knew?) The First Law of Holes: “If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.â€
Jacobson writes in part (read the whole thing):
…there is nothing more baffling than a statement sent to alumni after the verdict by Donica Thomas Varner, Oberlin College’s Vice President and General Counsel.
The statement was contained in a mass email sent to alumni (and possibly others) criticizing the jury verdict and repeating the same stale defenses that failed at trial (emphasis added):
Dear Members of the Oberlin Community:
I am writing to update you on the lawsuit that Gibson Bros., Inc. filed against Oberlin College and Vice President and Dean of Students Meredith Raimondo in the Lorain County Court of Common Pleas in November 2017.
Following a trial that spanned almost a full month, the jury found for the plaintiffs earlier today.
We are disappointed with the verdict and regret that the jury did not agree with the clear evidence our team presented.
Neither Oberlin College nor Dean Meredith Raimondo defamed a local business or its owners, and they never endorsed statements made by others. Rather, the College and Dr. Raimondo worked to ensure that students’ freedom of speech was protected and that the student demonstrations were safe and lawful, and they attempted to help the plaintiffs repair any harm caused by the student protests.
As we have stated, colleges cannot be held liable for the independent actions of their students. Institutions of higher education are obligated to protect freedom of speech on their campuses and respect their students’ decision to peacefully exercise their First Amendment rights. Oberlin College acted in accordance with these obligations.
While we are disappointed with the outcome, Oberlin College wishes to thank the members of the jury for their attention and dedication during this lengthy trial. They contributed a great deal of time and effort to this case, and we appreciate their commitment.
Our team will review the jury’s verdict and determine how to move forward.
Donica Thomas Varner
Vice President, General Counsel & Secretary
more
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/oberlin_college_ignored_the_first_law_of_holes_responding_to_the_jury_verdict_against_it.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/oberlin_college_ignored_the_first_law_of_holes_responding_to_the_jury_verdict_against_it.html)
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A classic case of "let them eat cake".
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Let’s hope the judgment stands up on appeal.
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June 10, 2019
Oberlin College ignored the First Law of Holes responding to the jury verdict against it
By Thomas Lifson
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more
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/oberlin_college_ignored_the_first_law_of_holes_responding_to_the_jury_verdict_against_it.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/oberlin_college_ignored_the_first_law_of_holes_responding_to_the_jury_verdict_against_it.html)
The post-verdict email could be Exhibit A at the punitive damages hearing as to why the compensatory damages are not sufficient to send a message to Oberlin College and its administrators. Whether it will be an exhibit we’ll find out on Tuesday.
I think it will figure prominently, the attorneys for the Plaintiffs are not stupid. The purpose of punitive damages is to prevent future offenses, and the email to the Alumni makes it clear they have learned nothing from the lawsuit.
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Let’s hope the judgment stands up on appeal.
Me too. The College seems bound and determined to make sure the Punitive is the full 2X. their attorney(s) must be furious.
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Me too. The College seems bound and determined to make sure the Punitive is the full 2X. their attorney(s) must be furious.
Only if they don't live in the same elitist bubble that the Oberliners do.
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Me too. The College seems bound and determined to make sure the Punitive is the full 2X. their attorney(s) must be furious.
The problem I imagine for the defense attorneys is that they've got a client that is very committed emotionally to the underlying cause, and one of the deans was directly accused of engaging in improper behavior herself. Depending how well-liked/influential she is with other high-ranking people at the College, objectivity may have gone right out the window.
That's compounded by the reality that the General Counsel has been involved in this litigation almost from day one, which almost certainly included involvement in valuing the case for settlement. I don't know exactly what was offered in settlement, but if it turns out that the GC had a major role in valuing the case, she might be in CYA mode by going public with the argument that the verdict was not warranted. A stupid move legally, but that kind of thing can happen if you have people too interested in self-preservation. You get a circle-jerk of "we didn't do anything wrong", and you're considered a traitor to the cause if you say otherwise.
Don't know how the insurance issue will turn out. The motion to intervene by the insurance company to submit interrogatories for purposes of determining coverage was rejected by the court. That may mean that the insurance company lacks the basis for denying coverage -- I really don't know, but the denial of that motion could be important.
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@sneakypete
I am wondering if a judge can be found that will kick the award out as being too large in order to save the loons?
Is something like that even possible?
Yes, it is legally possible. After the punitive damage award comes down, there will likely be some feelers sent out by one side or the other regarding potential settlement. Defendants have a motivation to settle because they don't want to get whacked with the entire award. Plaintiffs will want to get their money sooner, and won't want to risk having the verdict reversed or judgment reduced on post-trial motion and appeal. There's also the issue of insurance. If there is a coverage dispute, one way to resolve that is for the insurance company to agree to fund part of a settlement. That puts more pressure on the defense to settle because paying only half of a $12M settlement is much better than potentially getting stuck with the entirety of a $33M award.
But I don't think there will be a settlement before punitive damages are determined and awarded. There's just too many moving parts, and too much information the decision-makers will have to ingest before they'll be able to agree to a settlement. Of course, they may not be able to agree at all, and it'll just go right on up on appeal.
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The problem I imagine for the defense attorneys is that they've got a client that is very committed emotionally to the underlying cause, and one of the deans was directly accused of engaging in improper behavior herself. Depending how well-liked/influential she is with other high-ranking people at the College, objectivity may have gone right out the window.
That's compounded by the reality that the General Counsel has been involved in this litigation almost from day one, which almost certainly included involvement in valuing the case for settlement. I don't know exactly what was offered in settlement, but if it turns out that the GC had a major role in valuing the case, she might be in CYA mode by going public with the argument that the verdict was not warranted. A stupid move legally, but that kind of thing can happen if you have people too interested in self-preservation. You get a circle-jerk of "we didn't do anything wrong", and you're considered a traitor to the cause if you say otherwise.
Don't know how the insurance issue will turn out. The motion to intervene by the insurance company to submit interrogatories for purposes of determining coverage was rejected by the court. That may mean that the insurance company lacks the basis for denying coverage -- I really don't know, but the denial of that motion could be important.
I didn't know the motion was denied. I'm glad in a way, because if the insurance company is forced to pay, risk analysis by all the insurance companies will cause the premiums to skyrocket for all colleges. Win-win!
Letting leftist ideology control policies should be painful.
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@sneakypete
Yes, it is legally possible. After the punitive damage award comes down, there will likely be some feelers sent out by one side or the other regarding potential settlement. Defendants have a motivation to settle because they don't want to get whacked with the entire award. Plaintiffs will want to get their money sooner, and won't want to risk having the verdict reversed or judgment reduced on post-trial motion and appeal. There's also the issue of insurance. If there is a coverage dispute, one way to resolve that is for the insurance company to agree to fund part of a settlement. That puts more pressure on the defense to settle because paying only half of a $12M settlement is much better than potentially getting stuck with the entirety of a $33M award.
Ordinarily there would probably be a settlement or an appeal that would reduce the award, but the College seems bound and determined to fight to the bitter end, and the Plaintiffs are confident they have a solid "win." Looks like two trains running to me.
But I don't think punitive damages are determined and awarded. There's just too many moving parts, and too much information the decision-makers will have to ingest before they'll be able to agree to a settlement. Of course, they may not be able to agree at all, and it'll just go right on up on appeal.
Absolutely correct. Neither side knows at this point what the opening negotiating position will be until the full amount is known. Plaintiffs are confident there will be a large punitive award is coming, the College is equally convinced they'll take it all back on appeal.
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Ordinarily there would probably be a settlement or an appeal that would reduce the award, but the College seems bound and determined to fight to the bitter end, and the Plaintiffs are confident they have a solid "win." Looks like two trains running to me.
Absolutely correct. Neither side knows at this point what the opening negotiating position will be until the full amount is known. Plaintiffs are confident there will be a large punitive award is coming, the College is equally convinced they'll take it all back on appeal.
The public posturing by some at the College regarding the verdict may not be shared by the Board of Governors or others who actually have control of the purse strings. The GC and Dean Raimondo may be willing to fight to the end with an appeal to validate themselves, but I'm not sure the people who really are in charge will agree.
That being said, you may be right. The College may make a decision that the legal issue is of sufficient importance to test it on appeal. But there are some pretty bad facts that hurt what might otherwise be a pretty good legal case.
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The public posturing by some at the College regarding the verdict may not be shared by the Board of Governors or others who actually have control of the purse strings. The GC and Dean Raimondo may be willing to fight to the end with an appeal to validate themselves . . .
That's because they are only risking other people's money, not their own. Typical liberals.
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The spokesperson for the college did the right thing after the verdict...didn't want to comment on a current matter before th court.
The College's chief counsel however...
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The spokesperson for the college did the right thing after the verdict...didn't want to comment on a current matter before th court.
The College's chief counsel however...
I "suspect" that the General Counsel inserted herself frequently and aggressively into trial preparation/strategy.
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The arrest report from the day. Very detailed as to what transpired. And yet the college was having none of those nasty facts get in the way of them condoning the lynching a business.
https://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Oberlin-Police-Dept-Incident-Report-Gibsons-Bakery.pdf
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The arrest report from the day. Very detailed as to what transpired. And yet the college was having none of those nasty facts get in the way of them condoning the lynching a business.
https://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Oberlin-Police-Dept-Incident-Report-Gibsons-Bakery.pdf
Wow! The university put it's financial neck on the line for that thug?
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Wow! The university put it's financial neck on the line for that thug?
I guess Oberlin thought they would get away with beating down stupid Townies.
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I guess Oberlin thought they would get away with beating down stupid Townies.
Leading the charge was Oberlin College dean of students, Meredith Raimondo, who joined the baying mob in bullying the Gibson family. She disseminated flyers libelously asserting that Gibson’s is a “racist establishment with a long account of racial profiling and discrimination.â€
Never mind that the “racism†charge is a brazen lie. As the police department pointed out, since 2011, there had been four robberies at the store including Aladin's, “and he was the only black person. There were 40 adults arrested for shoplifting in five years, and 32 were white. There were six adult black suspects arrested and two Asians, and 33 of the 40 were college students.â€
And never mind that Trey James, a Gibson’s employee who is himself black, bluntly told the student newspaper that race had nothing to do with the incident. “If you’re caught shoplifting, you’re going to end up getting arrested,†he told the Oberlin Review. “When you steal from the store, it doesn’t matter what color you are. You can be purple, blue, green, if you steal, you get caught, you get arrested.â€
Oberlin needs to go down, and go down hard.
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"33 of the 40 were college students�
83% were Oberlin students? That doesn't make Oberlin look very good.
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"33 of the 40 were college students�
83% were Oberlin students? That doesn't make Oberlin look very good.
To the contrary, it says they're true to their principles. They weren't stealing. They were just redistributing wealth from an exploitative, white-owned capitalist business to the masses.
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"33 of the 40 were college students�
83% were Oberlin students? That doesn't make Oberlin look very good.
Neither did this:
One year ago Oberlin College filed a motion to dismiss a lawsuit against the institution from Gibson’s Bakery, which was asking for more than $200,000 in damages stemming from a November 2016 incident in which a student attempted to steal wine from the shop and a community uproar followed….
According to the college’s version of events as described in the Dec. 6 motion, three students, who are black, went to Gibson’s Bakery and one of the students, Jonathan Aladin, attempted to purchase wine with a fake ID. Allyn Gibson, who is white, followed the students out of the store and across the street into Tappan Square, property owned by the college, and “violently assaulted the male student,†the motion states. The motion says that the two female students… intervened on behalf of Aladin when Gibson refused to stop the assault.['b]
“When police arrived on the scene, they arrested only the three Oberlin College students despite witness statements that Allyn D. Gibson was the aggressor,†the motion states.
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VP Varner:
"Our team will review the jury’s verdict and determine how to move forward."
You "move forward" by paying the judgment...
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The public posturing by some at the College regarding the verdict may not be shared by the Board of Governors or others who actually have control of the purse strings. The GC and Dean Raimondo may be willing to fight to the end with an appeal to validate themselves, but I'm not sure the people who really are in charge will agree.
That being said, you may be right. The College may make a decision that the legal issue is of sufficient importance to test it on appeal. But there are some pretty bad facts that hurt what might otherwise be a pretty good legal case.
There may be more entrenchment by the college for its cause than some might realize.
Researching Oberlin, it appears its biggest pride is its self-stated role it played in the abolition of slavery and, since then, the role of social justice warrior.
It may well be that the social warrior aspects drive the college leadership more than it should, which might just be into the toilet.
https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/oberlin-college-1833/ (https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/oberlin-college-1833/)
And just who is on the board of Trustees for the College?
As an example, its chairman is T. Chris Canavan, Director, Global Policy Development Soros Fund Management, LLC
Need I say more?
https://www.oberlin.edu/general-counsel-and-secretary/trustees (https://www.oberlin.edu/general-counsel-and-secretary/trustees)
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There may be more entrenchment by the college for its cause than some might realize.
Researching Oberlin, it appears its biggest pride is its self-stated role it played in the abolition of slavery and, since then, the role of social justice warrior.
It may well be that the social warrior aspects drive the college leadership more than it should, which might just be into the toilet.
https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/oberlin-college-1833/ (https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/oberlin-college-1833/)
And just who is on the board of Trustees for the College?
As an example, its chairman is T. Chris Canavan, Director, Global Policy Development Soros Fund Management, LLC
Need I say more?
https://www.oberlin.edu/general-counsel-and-secretary/trustees (https://www.oberlin.edu/general-counsel-and-secretary/trustees)
Very interesting information that frankly doesn't surprise me at all. Glad you dug it up @IsailedawayfromFR
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Oberlin Police body cam video (Gibson's Bakery)
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7n8f8sLTDE&t=850s#)
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VP Varner:
"Our team will review the jury’s verdict and determine how to move forward."
You "move forward" by paying the judgment...
That's the one thing they absolutely won't do.
They'll either try to settle it after punitive damages are awarded, or they'll appeal. Nobody just pays the judgments like that without exhausting appeals.
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There may be more entrenchment by the college for its cause than some might realize.
Researching Oberlin, it appears its biggest pride is its self-stated role it played in the abolition of slavery and, since then, the role of social justice warrior.
It may well be that the social warrior aspects drive the college leadership more than it should, which might just be into the toilet.
https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/oberlin-college-1833/ (https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/oberlin-college-1833/)
And just who is on the board of Trustees for the College?
As an example, its chairman is T. Chris Canavan, Director, Global Policy Development Soros Fund Management, LLC
Need I say more?
https://www.oberlin.edu/general-counsel-and-secretary/trustees (https://www.oberlin.edu/general-counsel-and-secretary/trustees)
All of that absolutely played a role in how Oberlin reacted to the initial arrests, how it viewed the protests, and its take-no-prisoners litigation strategy. That dynamic has shifted somewhat. The school is worried about negative publicity and the potential effects on enrollment, so there will be a push to "put this all behind them".
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That's the one thing they absolutely won't do.
They'll either try to settle it after punitive damages are awarded, or they'll appeal. Nobody just pays the judgments like that without exhausting appeals.
Yeah, it'll be a long time before any checks get cut, and the amount will probably not be disclosed if it's less than the final Judgement.
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The student is an oppressed minority, and he was merely redistributing the wine, which the rich white, selfish store owners had unjustly kept all for themselves.
Free Wine for the people.
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The student is an oppressed minority, and he was merely redistributing the wine, which the rich white, selfish store owners had unjustly kept all for themselves.
Free Wine for the people.
In the video I thought the owner said he tried to abscond wit 2 bottles of Manischewitz. Now that ain't kosher. everyone know the brother be like'n the Ripple.
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In the video I thought the owner said he tried to abscond wit 2 bottles of Manischewitz. Now that ain't kosher. everyone know the brother be like'n the Ripple.
Or Thunderbird. Two items probably not stocked at Gibsons. BTW, that store in the video is a lot larger than I thought it would be. It's a good sized convenience mart that goes wayyy back from the storefront.
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And then there's Liquid Crack
(https://static.vinepair.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Cisco2.jpg)
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In the video I thought the owner said he tried to abscond wit 2 bottles of Manischewitz. Now that ain't kosher. everyone know the brother be like'n the Ripple.
@The Ghost
Maybe he was trying to impress de white bitches wid how spisticated n'shit dat he be?
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Well ain't that just a damn shame.
Yeah... Funny that I thought exactly that, verbatim.
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@The Ghost
Maybe he was trying to impress de white bitches wid how spisticated n'shit dat he be?
Maybe, but the female (and male) SJWs at Oblerline are already a pretty easy get for a black man.
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@The Ghost
Maybe he was trying to impress de white bitches wid how spisticated n'shit dat he be?
Yep back at his dindo drop inn crib.
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In the video I thought the owner said he tried to abscond wit 2 bottles of Manischewitz. Now that ain't kosher.
Actually, it is kosher.
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Actually, it is kosher.
It was sarcasm. 22222frying pan
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It was sarcasm. 22222frying pan
And it worked.
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And it worked.
LOL. I was going to say
"Mogan David" or Mad Dog20/20 but I knew that wasn't kosher!
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To the contrary, it says they're true to their principles. They weren't stealing. They were just redistributing wealth from an exploitative, white-owned capitalist business to the masses.
:cool:
:beer:
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Oberlin College asks for mistrial in Gibson's case
Attorneys for Oberlin College and Dean of Students Meredith Raimondo moved for a mistrial June 11 in a libel suit brought against them by Gibson’s Food Mart and Bakery.
On June 7, a Lorain County Common Pleas Court jury awarded the plaintiffs $11 million.
The jury was scheduled to hear the punitive portion of the trial, but attorneys for Oberlin College produced five motions to the court moments before they were to return to the courtroom.
Because of this, Common Pleas Judge John R. Miraldi called a recess while he reviewed the motions and released the jury for the day.
In making his oral motion asking for the mistrial, Ronald D. Holman II claimed the case could not go forward because Miraldi did not require the jurors to break down their June 7 rulings on compensatory damage by each claim.
more
https://www.morningjournal.com/news/lorain-county/oberlin-college-asks-for-mistrial-in-gibsons-case/article_b75aa0b2-8c64-11e9-a2fd-7b093ea5909a.html (https://www.morningjournal.com/news/lorain-county/oberlin-college-asks-for-mistrial-in-gibsons-case/article_b75aa0b2-8c64-11e9-a2fd-7b093ea5909a.html)
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Oberlin College asks for mistrial in Gibson's case
more
https://www.morningjournal.com/news/lorain-county/oberlin-college-asks-for-mistrial-in-gibsons-case/article_b75aa0b2-8c64-11e9-a2fd-7b093ea5909a.html (https://www.morningjournal.com/news/lorain-county/oberlin-college-asks-for-mistrial-in-gibsons-case/article_b75aa0b2-8c64-11e9-a2fd-7b093ea5909a.html)
Hopefully the judge will see this for what it is. The last gasp of a scumbag lawyer.
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ELYRIA, Ohio — Judge John Miraldi denied Oberlin College’s request on Tuesday to declare a mistrial in the civil lawsuit filed against it by Gibson’s Food Mart and Bakery and to order the case re-tried.
The punitive phase of the civil case will move forward at 10 a.m. on Wednesday.
Following a jury verdict awarding Gibson’s, a family-owned business in Oberlin, $11 million for compensatory damages from Oberlin College, the jury was to reconvene on Tuesday for a hearing on punitive damages — a hearing that could have so much as tripled the amount awarded to Gibson’s.
However, Judge Miraldi ordered a recess and released the jury for the day following five motion filings by Oberlin College before the hearing at the Lorain County Court of Common Pleas in Elyria, Ohio. He returned and allowed lawyers to discuss the filings.
Gibson's Bakery awarded more than $11 million in years-long legal battle with Oberlin College
Near the end of Tuesday’s court session, Ronald Holman, an attorney representing the college, filed an oral motion — this time moving for mistrial and a new trial. He requested a new trial on the grounds that the jury’s “commingling of damages awards†and the failure to identify the amount of compensatory damages that were allocated to each plaintiff on each claim.
Judge Miraldi did not rule against the motion from the bench, but later on Tuesday denied the request in a journal entry, according to court officials.
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https://www.toledoblade.com/local/courts/2019/06/11/oberlin-college-files-motion-for-retrial-gibson-bakery-suit/stories/20190611182 (https://www.toledoblade.com/local/courts/2019/06/11/oberlin-college-files-motion-for-retrial-gibson-bakery-suit/stories/20190611182)
Hopefully today we will see the triple punitive award!
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I'm glad the judge saw that motion for what it was.
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Hopefully the judge will see this for what it is. The last gasp of a scumbag lawyer.
He did
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,364927.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,364927.0.html)
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Hopefully today we will see the triple punitive award!
I would expect this phase to take more than a day, but who knows? the Jury has to deliberate. I hope the Alumni letter was introduced as evidence.
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Topics merged.