The Briefing Room
General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: flowers on November 22, 2013, 04:45:32 pm
-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2511462/Student-Philip-Chism-14-raped-teacher-Colleen-Ritzer-school-bathroom-sexually-assaulted-object.html
The 14-year-old student accused of raping, robbing and murdering his high school math teacher used a tree branch to sexually assault her and left a hate note next to her body, it has been revealed.
Philip Chism left a note saying 'I hate you all' next to the corpse of Colleen Ritzer after he slit her throat in a bathroom and left her body in a 'sexually staged' position at Danvers High School in Massachusetts, according to court court papers.
The documents also describe how Chism's parents were going through a difficult divorce and the student had become visibly upset at Miss Ritzer in a class before the killing, according to the Boston Herald.
She mentioned 'Tennessee' in class - the state where Chism used to live - causing an argument with the student. Chism, whose mother left his father and moved away this summer, was seen talking to himself quietly after his teacher changed the subject.
The new details come after Chism was indicted in a Massachusetts court on charges of murder, aggravated rape and armed robbery on Thursday.
Authorities believe Chism, a soccer standout, followed Ritzer into a second-floor bathroom after school armed with a box cutter, stabbed her, wheeled her body outside in a large recycling bin and dumped it in the woods behind the school.
Her body was found naked from the waist down.
District Attorney Jonathan Blodgett also said in court on Thursday the teen stole her iPhone, credit cards and underwear.He was found with her underwear and a bloody knife in his bag.
-
**nononono* Good Lord. So who will his defense attorney blame?
-
If Obama had a son, he' look like Philip Chism. Violent people, they are.
-
No doubt there are those who will be blaming 'root causes' and lack of 'empowerment'.
-
No doubt there are those who will be blaming 'root causes' and lack of 'empowerment'.
The root causes are low IQs, illegal immigration, affirmative action, college for everybody nonsense, social safety net programs in lieu of survival of the fittest, etc.
The blacks of the 1950s were treated poorly, but they knew they had to largely look after themselves, by the rules of the day (unfair, unjust).
Aside from a small elite group (sports, entertainment, professions) the middle and lower class blacks exist in a sheltered realm.
Sheltered by special treatment. In private industry and in government work, they get paid for mediocre performances, by institutions fearful of any hint of racism.
-
This is the guy the media first tried to pass off as a "dark skinned white boy." :3:
-
This is the guy the media first tried to pass off as a "dark skinned white boy."
Nope, not at the all the first one. Zimmerman proved that any one who does anything 'incorrect' or even criminal is White first in any way possible, even if they have to lie.
Trust me brothers, if Zimmerman had be attacked and killed by a White guy, Zimmerman would have been completely and totally Latino, and possibly a Jewish Latino at that.
And the White guy, Even if he had an "Obama" tattoo on his forehead, would have been a far right wing 'Tea Party' zealot. That is just how it works in America.
The media in America is fully despicable and knows no bounds or restraint in their hatred of the truth.
-
To descend into crudity for a second - a tree branch? What 14 year old male does not know what his dick is for?
-
To descend into crudity for a second - a tree branch? What 14 year old male does not know what his dick is for?
I would assume he is a sociopath and only cared about inflicting pain.
That said, he needs to be taken out and promptly shot.
-
To descend into crudity for a second - a tree branch? What 14 year old male does not know what his dick is for?
What? It's for raping women?
-
I would assume he is a sociopath and only cared about inflicting pain.
That said, he needs to be taken out and promptly shot.
Before he is summarily executed, he needs to receive a tree branch catheter.
-
I believe he did rape her first.
He raped her, slit her throat with the box cutter, wheeled her body outside in a large recycling bin and dumped it in the woods behind the school.
The act of inserting the tree branch into her vagina was meant as an act of degradation.
Before he is summarily executed, he needs to receive a tree branch catheter. Seems appropriate.
-
I believe he did rape her first.
What you say makes sense psychologically. His hatred for her was so strong that he wanted to ensure that she could not give birth of his seed, even if she was already dead.
Hey, no one said these guys are 'rational thinkers'.
-
I think she was already dead when he desecrated her with the branch.
He wheeled her out in a recycle bin....ah, the irony...and dumped her in the woods in the back of the school.
Don't have to be Columbo, you know. :laugh:
-
social safety net programs in lieu of survival of the fittest
Do you feel we should ignore poverty and chalk it up to survival of the fittest? We're talking about millions of Americans starving to death and dying of treatable illness. I'm just legitimately curious if that is how you feel about it.
-
Do you feel we should ignore poverty and chalk it up to survival of the fittest? We're talking about millions of Americans starving to death and dying of treatable illness. I'm just legitimately curious if that is how you feel about it.
No Americans go without food...if you look around you will see many could or should go without eating, however. Between food banks, food stamps, etc., we are a well-fed country. Stop drinking the liberal kool-aid.
-
No Americans go without food...if you look around you will see many could or should go without eating, however. Between food banks, food stamps, etc., we are a well-fed country. Stop drinking the liberal kool-aid.
People would starve/die from treatable illness (more often than they already do)/end up homeless if we gutted all the safety nets, which is what he seemed to imply was the better option. That's why I asked for clarification.
-
If this calls for the death penalty this would be it but Life without the possibility of parole and treated as an adult counts. This kid is beyond treatment or redemption of any kind. The act he did was so horrendous.
-
People would starve/die from treatable illness (more often than they already do)/end up homeless if we gutted all the safety nets, which is what he seemed to imply was the better option. That's why I asked for clarification.
Safety nets break the connection connecting bad behavior with bad results. Without safety nets, humans have greater incentives to study, learn things with which they can support themselves, stay out of trouble with the law, etc.
Contrary to your suggestion, safety nets have exploded recently, evidenced by huge increases in food stamps and SSID (disability).
Yet the beneficiaries of those programs rape women, and attack innocent people with their "Knockout" game.
Survival of the fittest produced serious people. Safety nets produce weak people, who reproduce safety net dependents.
-
We're talking about millions of Americans starving to death...
Really? Millions starving to death and I haven't heard a word about it nor seen or heard anything about in any news report? Just where is this happening, Anomalism, and why hasn't Obama said something? Why isn't it all over the news?
-
We're talking about millions of Americans starving to death...
Really? Millions starving to death and I haven't heard a word about it nor seen or heard anything about in any news report? Just where is this happening, Anomalism, and why hasn't Obama said something? Why isn't it all over the news?
Because they are in jail. The jails have become mental institutions. There was a jail for youths in Southern California and they closed it down because the massive amounts of youths with mental problems. The jail was not designed for that.It was easier to charge them as adults and throw them in adult prisons. There they are easy prey. My independent study report is how the jails have become mental institutions next year. The WSJ did a report where I will link it.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323455104579012664245550546
-
We're talking about millions of Americans starving to death...
Really? Millions starving to death and I haven't heard a word about it nor seen or heard anything about in any news report? Just where is this happening, Anomalism, and why hasn't Obama said something? Why isn't it all over the news?
Read what I quoted and then reread what I said, and then repeat until you figure out where you went wrong here.
-
Safety nets break the connection connecting bad behavior with bad results. Without safety nets, humans have greater incentives to study, learn things with which they can support themselves, stay out of trouble with the law, etc.
Contrary to your suggestion, safety nets have exploded recently, evidenced by huge increases in food stamps and SSID (disability).
Yet the beneficiaries of those programs rape women, and attack innocent people with their "Knockout" game.
Survival of the fittest produced serious people. Safety nets produce weak people, who reproduce safety net dependents.
So that's a yes? Let those that can't make it without the government die out until we have a stronger and more responsible society?
-
Read what I quoted and then reread what I said, and then repeat until you figure out where you went wrong here.
Hate to tell you this, pal, but this IS a quote from you:
Do you feel we should ignore poverty and chalk it up to survival of the fittest? We're talking about millions of Americans starving to death and dying of treatable illness. I'm just legitimately curious if that is how you feel about it.
That attached statement about dying of treatable illnesses is also just so much bovine excrement but since people die all the time you can claim that is the cause, though I doubt you can offer any empirical evidence for it. OTOH, the statement about "millions starving to death" is so ridiculous it is laughable.
-
Read what I quoted and then reread what I said, and then repeat until you figure out where you went wrong here.
Hate to tell you this, pal, but this IS a quote from you:
Do you feel we should ignore poverty and chalk it up to survival of the fittest? We're talking about millions of Americans starving to death and dying of treatable illness. I'm just legitimately curious if that is how you feel about it.
That attached statement about dying of treatable illnesses is also just so much bovine excrement but since people die all the time you can claim that is the cause, though I doubt you can offer any empirical evidence for it. OTOH, the statement about "millions starving to death" is so ridiculous it is laughable.
You're still misunderstanding the context of my statement. I was talking about a hypothetical scenario where all government safety nets are gutted and survival of the fittest is allowed to take place.
-
Either way the statement(s) are ridiculous.
-
Either way the statement(s) are ridiculous.
How are they ridiculous? All I asked for was clarification on what he said. If all safety nets were removed lots of people would be homeless and/or starving.
-
How are they ridiculous? All I asked for was clarification on what he said. If all safety nets were removed lots of people would be homeless and/or starving.
They are ridiculous because they are so off topic from the origibnal post
-
People would starve/die from treatable illness (more often than they already do)/end up homeless if we gutted all the safety nets, which is what he seemed to imply was the better option. That's why I asked for clarification.
The safety net concept has been abused by politicians who have over promised for decades for the purpose of reelection. So the safety net has become the hammock. ie. Obama phones, etc ...
We all agree with "safety nets." What we disagree with are "hammocks" for all.
-
We all agree with "safety nets." What we disagree with are "hammocks" for all.
That's not what Truth_Seeker said. He criticized social safety nets as a whole and implied that survival of the fittest is a preferable alternative. He even clarified and made that point clearer than he did originally. It's not the first time I've heard the argument that those that can't make it on their own should be allowed to perish. I just wanted to confirm that that was Truth_Seeker's belief. I personally think it shows an extreme lack of empathy, but I respect it as an alternative position nonetheless. Anyway, I asked and he clarified, so if anybody else wants to discuss it further I'd prefer a PM; I don't want to drive this any more off topic.
-
And once more we see a thread evolve into another bullshit argument with the "house liberal". :whistle:
-
And once more we see a thread evolve into another bullshit argument with the "house liberal". :whistle:
Yep.
-
And once more we see a thread evolve into another bullshit argument with the "house liberal". :whistle:
Proving once again that his purpose here is to divide and disrupt, not to contribute to rational conversation, nor to learn.
You can no more be a little bit liberal than you can be a little bit pregnant........
-
So that's a yes? Let those that can't make it without the government die out until we have a stronger and more responsible society?
Those made weak by safety nets, would be stronger without them. So they won't "die out" but rather will be better contributors to both their own, and others' well being. And society would be stronger.
To have worthwhile labors for the less well mentally gifted, we need to quit sending jobs overseas. And we need to quit allowing illegal immigrants to enter, and deprive our citizens of worthwhile paying labor.
Oh, and the notion everybody needs a college education, when they aren't smart enough to complete it is a waste of education resources. And it dupes people to take on unnecessary debt. And it misleads them into thinking they won't need a useful skill.
Reinstitute the draft or a voluntary method, for worthwhile public service. People learn skills and discipline in the military.
Drastically reduce pay levels for professors in the social sciences, for most produce nothing of value to society. Why force taxpayers and students to pay a university PhD $150000 per year for a few hours work weekly, to insult and ridicule citizens?
Education costs can be drastically reduced by using online methods. Let hiring entities confirm the technical competence with their own testing. If I got a degree from a state school, but know nothing, nobody will hire me because they can test to confirm I know nothing.
I'll submit most college grads today know the same or less than high school grads from two-three generations ago.
You are bitter about the amount of debt you willingly piled on. You should be bitter you got nothing useful out of it, unless you think handing out welfare is useful.
-
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime
-
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime
Conservative policies are now, and always have been better for the poor.
All one has to do is look at what's happened to lower income Americans since the so-called "Great Society".......the crowing achievement of leftist malfeasance.
There is more poverty now than ever before, and less hope for those in poverty to get out of it.
Leftists either are stupid in thinking that their policies have been successful, or they are willfully doing harm to those in need for the sake of their own power.
There is NO WAY a leftist cares about others.
None.
-
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime
But what if he refuses to learn? Or refuses to fish? Or simply cannot learn?
The safety net is being used for all three, when it should only apply to the last.
-
Those made weak by safety nets, would be stronger without them. So they won't "die out" but rather will be better contributors to both their own, and others' well being. And society would be stronger.
To have worthwhile labors for the less well mentally gifted, we need to quit sending jobs overseas. And we need to quit allowing illegal immigrants to enter, and deprive our citizens of worthwhile paying labor.
Oh, and the notion everybody needs a college education, when they aren't smart enough to complete it is a waste of education resources. And it dupes people to take on unnecessary debt. And it misleads them into thinking they won't need a useful skill.
Reinstitute the draft or a voluntary method, for worthwhile public service. People learn skills and discipline in the military.
Drastically reduce pay levels for professors in the social sciences, for most produce nothing of value to society. Why force taxpayers and students to pay a university PhD $150000 per year for a few hours work weekly, to insult and ridicule citizens?
Education costs can be drastically reduced by using online methods. Let hiring entities confirm the technical competence with their own testing. If I got a degree from a state school, but know nothing, nobody will hire me because they can test to confirm I know nothing.
I'll submit most college grads today know the same or less than high school grads from two-three generations ago.
You are bitter about the amount of debt you willingly piled on. You should be bitter you got nothing useful out of it, unless you think handing out welfare is useful.
An interesting point of view. ^-^
-
But what if he refuses to learn? Or refuses to fish? Or simply cannot learn?
The safety net is being used for all three, when it should only apply to the last.
I agree. But the difference goes back to how we are raising kids these days - it is why no matter how rich parent are I think they do their kids a HUGE disservice by just "giving" them everything rather than making them earn the things they want... my parents had money but when we were not in Texas for six weeks each summer I had to work to earn money for my school clothes, my parents bought the necessities for me, but if there was more than that I had to earn it myself... I grew up learning that nothing was handed to me for nothing. I watched my sister buy her kids absolutely everything because she resented how we were raised.. I cannot say she did the kids any favors in doing so.
-
All one has to do is look at what's happened to lower income Americans since the so-called "Great Society".......the crowing achievement of leftist malfeasance.
About that. Anomalism should be able to easily prove that prior to LBJ, even before FDR, with their era of Great Liberal Compassion and "safety nets" (using other people's money, of course) that millions of Americans [were] starving to death and dying of treatable illness.
That should be easily demonstrable. So prove it, Anomalism.
-
I agree. But the difference goes back to how we are raising kids these days - it is why no matter how rich parent are I think they do their kids a HUGE disservice by just "giving" them everything rather than making them earn the things they want... my parents had money but when we were not in Texas for six weeks each summer I had to work to earn money for my school clothes, my parents bought the necessities for me, but if there was more than that I had to earn it myself... I grew up learning that nothing was handed to me for nothing. I watched my sister buy her kids absolutely everything because she resented how we were raised.. I cannot say she did the kids any favors in doing so.
Even if you buy kids' things, you can teach them a solid work ethic (in how they do their jobs around the house, how they do school work, how they approach part time jobs, and other responsibilities.
The problem with today's left is that they refuse to help kids become adults because they don't make them accept responsibility for anything.
Look at our schools, sports teams, etc. They are ALL helping kids become worthless human beings.
Leftists want people to be useless, rich or poor. But they treat poor kids even worse.
I HATE what the left has done to the younger generations. I just pray that some day we can get through to them and help them understand what being an adult, and what having character really means.
-
All one has to do is look at what's happened to lower income Americans since the so-called "Great Society".......the crowing achievement of leftist malfeasance.
About that. Anomalism should be able to easily prove that prior to LBJ, even before FDR, with their era of Great Liberal Compassion and "safety nets" (using other people's money, of course) that millions of Americans [were] starving to death and dying of treatable illness.
That should be easily demonstrable. So prove it, Anomalism.
He's a leftist.
He doesn't have to demonstrate, or prove anything.
He just regurgitates his talking points and expects people to believe he's telling the truth.
It's so easy to be a leftist, isn't it?? **nononono*
-
About that. Anomalism should be able to easily prove that prior to LBJ, even before FDR, with their era of Great Liberal Compassion and "safety nets" (using other people's money, of course) that millions of Americans [were] starving to death and dying of treatable illness.
That should be easily demonstrable. So prove it, Anomalism.
Compare income equality now to income equality 40-50 years ago. Minimum wage used to be a reasonable amount of money to live on; that is no longer true. Many people have to work 2 and even 3 jobs to make ends meet. There would be no need for all the safety nets if the average Joe could afford to live without them.
-
Compare income equality now to income equality 40-50 years ago. Minimum wage used to be a reasonable amount of money to live on; that is no longer true. Many people have to work 2 and even 3 jobs to make ends meet. There would be no need for all the safety nets if the average Joe could afford to live without them.
It was all the government programs that pushed wages down.
-
Even if you buy kids' things, you can teach them a solid work ethic (in how they do their jobs around the house, how they do school work, how they approach part time jobs, and other responsibilities.
The problem with today's left is that they refuse to help kids become adults because they don't make them accept responsibility for anything.
Look at our schools, sports teams, etc. They are ALL helping kids become worthless human beings.
Leftists want people to be useless, rich or poor. But they treat poor kids even worse.
I HATE what the left has done to the younger generations. I just pray that some day we can get through to them and help them understand what being an adult, and what having character really means.
I agree. Forgot to mention one of my earliest "chores" was doing the ironing. When I was older my parents let our housekeeper go and every Saturday I had to clean the house - with the exception of my sisters rooms. My middle sister had to start dinner every night and I had to do the dishes. When I finally got my drivers license I had to do the grocery shopping - I could use the car to go shopping, but was not allowed to take the car to school - had to take the school bus and even in my senior year I had to walk until I bought my own car from my part time jobs. My parents were VERY strict if we did not bring home straight A's we went on restriction until the next report card.
-
It was all the government programs that pushed wages down.
Would you mind elaborating on your point? Which programs are you talking about, and how/why did they push down wages?
-
Compare income equality now to income equality 40-50 years ago. Minimum wage used to be a reasonable amount of money to live on; that is no longer true. Many people have to work 2 and even 3 jobs to make ends meet. There would be no need for all the safety nets if the average Joe could afford to live without them.
Minimum wage was NEVER designed to be a living wage to support a family and there was a time no one aspired to have a minimum wage job... if people don't want to live on a minimum wage then get an education - doesn't have to be college - the best paying jobs these days come from going to a trade school and YES you can get student loans for trade schools and have a six figure job waiting when you graduate. Anyone wanting to get ahead in life can get ahead in life, it is called hard work... life is not a free ride - though it seems too many people think it is.
-
It was all the government programs that pushed wages down.
Again, as a leftist, he doesn't have to come up with anything that actually helps.
Minimum wage has done so much harm to the poor........especially young people.......that it's not funny.
But as long as they keep screeching that we need to raise the minimum wage, they fool themselves into believing that they care.
It's all a sick game.
-
I agree. Forgot to mention one of my earliest "chores" was doing the ironing. When I was older my parents let our housekeeper go and every Saturday I had to clean the house - with the exception of my sisters rooms. My middle sister had to start dinner every night and I had to do the dishes. When I finally got my drivers license I had to do the grocery shopping - I could use the car to go shopping, but was not allowed to take the car to school - had to take the school bus and even in my senior year I had to walk until I bought my own car from my part time jobs. My parents were VERY strict if we did not bring home straight A's we went on restriction until the next report card.
The things you describe........hard work, responsibility, character......... are anathema to the left.
Just give people things and you can pretend you care.
It's much easier than looking for and working for solutions that actually get the job done.
Conservative principles help people in need.
Liberal 'principles' increase their need.
-
Again, as a leftist, he doesn't have to come up with anything that actually helps.
Minimum wage has done so much harm to the poor........especially young people.......that it's not funny.
But as long as they keep screeching that we need to raise the minimum wage, they fool themselves into believing that they care.
It's all a sick game.
What is really funny about this is they think they are sooooo smart and yet they fail to realize all pushing for a higher min wage does is cause higher cost of product, more automation and more unemployment and even fewer min wage jobs available....
-
I agree. Forgot to mention one of my earliest "chores" was doing the ironing. When I was older my parents let our housekeeper go and every Saturday I had to clean the house - with the exception of my sisters rooms. My middle sister had to start dinner every night and I had to do the dishes. When I finally got my drivers license I had to do the grocery shopping - I could use the car to go shopping, but was not allowed to take the car to school - had to take the school bus and even in my senior year I had to walk until I bought my own car from my part time jobs. My parents were VERY strict if we did not bring home straight A's we went on restriction until the next report card.
Dishes every night - I washed, sis dried. Weeding and hand watering the garden - that wasn't a chore so much as a necessity, since it fed us. Keep my own room clean and vacuum the family room. Laundry once a week, when one of the hampers got full, and just pray it wasn't bed linen day. Put on dinner one week in three (depended on Mom's shifts). Haul and split wood for the heating. Maintain my own bicycle, though Mom and Dad would pay for any needed parts. Entertain my sister while Mom took a nap - I really got to hate Barbies. Feed the dog and take him for a walk - that was self preservation since if he had a number 2 in a field I didn't need clean it up! During the summer, I was excused chores if I was working for one of the local farmers.
-
Minimum wage was NEVER designed to be a living wage to support a family and there was a time no one aspired to have a minimum wage job... if people don't want to live on a minimum wage then get an education - doesn't have to be college - the best paying jobs these days come from going to a trade school and YES you can get student loans for trade schools and have a six figure job waiting when you graduate. Anyone wanting to get ahead in life can get ahead in life, it is called hard work... life is not a free ride - though it seems too many people think it is.
Many people have no choice other than to support their families on minimum wage. Not everybody is cut out for college or trade school. Regardless of it not being meant to be a living wage to support a family, it very often is, and many people are just barely making ends meet even with government assistance. If you adjusted for inflation so the minimum wage was on par with what it was 4 or 5 decades ago it would be much higher than it is now. I'm sure students today would love to be able to work, support themselves and pay for college out of pocket, but the fact of the matter is that is no longer feasible for most people.
-
What is really funny about this is they think they are sooooo smart and yet they fail to realize all pushing for a higher min wage does is cause higher cost of product, more automation and more unemployment and even fewer min wage jobs available....
You've put your finger on one of the big problems here.
Liberals THINK they're smart. They think they're smarter than everyone else.
But they're actually the dimmest bulbs in the box, because all they do is talk and pretend it means something.
As you've said, higher minimum wage increases unemployment and causes prices of things people need to skyrocket.
And, as you've also said, it was NEVER intended to support a family. It was intended to be a starting point for kids in their first jobs.
Leftists have destroyed the basic economy to the point where nothing works as it should. And yet they keep vomiting the propaganda that more of the destruction is what we need.
Dopes.
-
Many people have no choice other than to support their families on minimum wage. Not everybody is cut out for college or trade school. Regardless of it not being meant to be a living wage to support a family, it very often is, and many people are just barely making ends meet even with government assistance. If you adjusted for inflation so the minimum wage was on part with what it was 4 or 5 decades ago it would be much higher than it is now. I'm sure students today would love to be able to work, support themselves and pay for college out of pocket, but the fact of the matter is that is no longer feasible for most people.
This is so much baloney....... and by the way you keep complaining about the cost of college - there is so many different ways to get your college degree these days and not all of them mean you have to attend Harvard, Yale or Princeton. There is also a lot of good jobs out there for anyone willing to learn.. what I see is people like you are so busy whining about the min wage you cannot see the forest for the freaking trees...
And for someone who claimed he was in the military I find this particularly interesting since this country had very generous GI student benefits. I remember when you were here last time you said you didn't want to do a job that required manual labor to help pay for college - but you are more than willing to let the rest of us work hard and pay taxes to support someone elses son (you) through college so you can go brainwash a lot more unwashed brains in your bleeding heart liberal way of thinking. Your entire generation would have died rather than do the hard work our ancestors went through building this country.. and those ancestors must be rolling over in their graves to watch how lazy the younger generations have become.
-
You've put your finger on one of the big problems here.
Liberals THINK they're smart. They think they're smarter than everyone else.
But they're actually the dimmest bulbs in the box, because all they do is talk and pretend it means something.
As you've said, higher minimum wage increases unemployment and causes prices of things people need to skyrocket.
And, as you've also said, it was NEVER intended to support a family. It was intended to be a starting point for kids in their first jobs.
Leftists have destroyed the basic economy to the point where nothing works as it should. And yet they keep vomiting the propaganda that more of the destruction is what we need.
Dopes.
Because it is all about them... we had friends when their kids turned 16 they got their drivers licenses and a new BMW - or one friend's daughter a new Hummer... all their kids were driving upscale cars so they had to have them too. I guess I'm missing something because how are these kids ever to appreciate being able to work hard at a job and "afford" to buy their own BMW or Hummer if they have just had it handed to them without having to work for it... it isn't about how much you can afford to buy your kids it is what you are not teaching them for their entire life by buying them everything just because you can.
-
This is so much baloney....... and by the way you keep complaining about the cost of college - there is so many different ways to get your college degree these days and not all of them mean you have to attend Harvard, Yale or Princeton. There is also a lot of good jobs out there for anyone willing to learn.. what I see is people like you are so busy whining about the min wage you cannot see the forest for the freaking trees...
And for someone who claimed he was in the military I find this particularly interesting since this country had very generous GI student benefits. I remember when you were here last time you said you didn't want to do a job that required manual labor to help pay for college - but you are more than willing to let the rest of us work hard and pay taxes to support someone elses son (you) through college so you can go brainwash a lot more unwashed brains in your bleeding heart liberal way of thinking. Your entire generation would have died rather than do the hard work our ancestors went through building this country.. and those ancestors must be rolling over in their graves to watch how lazy the younger generations have become.
You don't have to go to Yale or Harvard to get stuck with 100 thousand dollars of debt. College is expensive no matter where you're going. All I've ever done in manual labor work. I spent years busting my ass in 100+ degree weather and extreme humidity doing everything from digging trenches and laying pipe to risking my life up on a roof placing shingles. What I said was I didn't want to go to a trade school and work on a construction site for the rest of my life. If you think I don't know what it means to do a hard days work, you are wrong. Oh, and just for the record I made a whopping 10 dollars an hour doing that work.
-
You've put your finger on one of the big problems here.
Liberals THINK they're smart. They think they're smarter than everyone else.
But they're actually the dimmest bulbs in the box, because all they do is talk and pretend it means something.
As you've said, higher minimum wage increases unemployment and causes prices of things people need to skyrocket.
And, as you've also said, it was NEVER intended to support a family. It was intended to be a starting point for kids in their first jobs.
Leftists have destroyed the basic economy to the point where nothing works as it should. And yet they keep vomiting the propaganda that more of the destruction is what we need.
Dopes.
Feminism change the structure of families so that children were left to fend for themselves while mom went into the workforce – which put downward pressure on wages. Before feminism a father could afford to support a family on his salary alone.
-
Because it is all about them... we had friends when their kids turned 16 they got their drivers licenses and a new BMW - or one friend's daughter a new Hummer... all their kids were driving upscale cars so they had to have them too. I guess I'm missing something because how are these kids ever to appreciate being able to work hard at a job and "afford" to buy their own BMW or Hummer if they have just had it handed to them without having to work for it... it isn't about how much you can afford to buy your kids it is what you are not teaching them for their entire life by buying them everything just because you can.
You are only missing one thing.
My kids saved up for several years. I paid for their first round of driving lessons and their first test. When they passed (my son took 4 attempts - he paid for 3 himself) they wanted a car. We sat down, worked out what they could afford, including insurance, and I''d go with them to look at cars in their price range, to make sure they weren't getting ripped off. Everything else - road tax, MOT and insurance was their responsibility.
Spent way too many hours working on knackered cars in the rain! :laugh:
-
This is so much baloney....... and by the way you keep complaining about the cost of college - there is so many different ways to get your college degree these days and not all of them mean you have to attend Harvard, Yale or Princeton. There is also a lot of good jobs out there for anyone willing to learn.. what I see is people like you are so busy whining about the min wage you cannot see the forest for the freaking trees...
And for someone who claimed he was in the military I find this particularly interesting since this country had very generous GI student benefits. I remember when you were here last time you said you didn't want to do a job that required manual labor to help pay for college - but you are more than willing to let the rest of us work hard and pay taxes to support someone elses son (you) through college so you can go brainwash a lot more unwashed brains in your bleeding heart liberal way of thinking. Your entire generation would have died rather than do the hard work our ancestors went through building this country.. and those ancestors must be rolling over in their graves to watch how lazy the younger generations have become.
The military doesn't produce, nor allow laziness. Our troops are some of the few in this younger generation who would make our ancestors proud.
That should be a good indicator of the truthfulness of our resident leftist troll.....
IMHO, it's best not to engage him personally in conversation because he's only here to deceive, divide, and destroy.
Again.........just my opinion............
-
You don't have to go to Yale or Harvard to get stuck with 100 thousand dollars of debt. College is expensive no matter where you're going. All I've ever done in manual labor work. I spent years busting my ass in 100+ degree weather and extreme humidity doing everything from digging trenches and laying pipe to risking my life up on a roof placing shingles. What I said was I didn't want to go to a trade school and work on a construction site for the rest of my life. If you think I don't know what it means to do a hard days work, you are wrong. Oh, and just for the record I made a whopping 10 dollars an hour doing that work.
The fact you think trade school means laying pipe and digging trenches shows just how uninformed you really are........
http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/14/smallbusiness/trade-schools/
Nine months in trade school. Job guaranteed.
By Parija Kavilanz @CNNMoney
As demand for high-skilled workers spikes, some manufacturing trade schools are smashing records and boasting 100% job placement for students.
With factories on a hiring spree, manufacturing students in trade schools, such as Alabama's Wallace State Community College are in high demand.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- As millions of young Americans struggle to land jobs, students in manufacturing trade schools are sitting in a sweet spot. They're being hired even before they graduate.
Two weeks ago, students from the manufacturing program in Chicago's Wilbur Wright-Humboldt Park vocational college attended a local job fair.
"Five of our students were hired in just one day," said lead instructor Bryant Redd. The new hires are from a class of 41 students who are still four months away from completing a nine-month advanced certification program in computerized numerical control (CNC) machining.
In the program, students go beyond basic machining with classes in computer design, machine shop technology and machine shop math.
Manufacturers in the Chicago area are busier than ever lately, and they're "begging" for more workers trained in advanced manufacturing skills like CNC machining, said Redd.
It's not just in Chicago. Factory work has picked up considerably nationwide, making skilled workers a valuable commodity, said Marc Smierciak, associate dean of instruction at the vocational college.
$100K manufacturing jobs
"Employers right now need workers with these high-precision skills. But the mismatch is that most of America's unemployed workforce doesn't possess these skills," Smierciak said.
So manufacturers are racing to trade schools like Wilbur Wright, one of only seven schools in Illinois that offer an accredited CNC course, and snapping up newly-minted factory workers as quickly as they can.
The demand for his graduates is so intense that last year's CNC graduating class scored a 100% job placement.
"It's a wonderful accomplishment for us," said Smierciak. It was the first time the school achieved perfect placement in the program's 15-year history. Smierciak expects this year's graduating class to meet with similar success.
To get into the program, students need a high school diploma or the equivalent and can go part-time or full-time.
The starting salary for the new hires averages about $40,000 a year, with the potential to jump to $55,000 to $65,000 in less than two years, he said.
As word spread about last year's record, the school is seeing a rush of new applications. "We usually enroll 20 students max per year," said Smierciak. "We are at overcapacity right now with 27 students in the day program and 14 in the night one."
Some of them are young high school graduates, while others are middle-aged displaced workers retraining themselves for in-demand skills.
Reynaldo Roman, 21, had been thinking about going to college to study electrical engineering when his friend told him about Wilbur Wright's CNC course.
"I did some research on salaries," he said. "After a four-year degree, I might be getting paid as much or less than I would as a certified CNC operator," he said.
As the primary income earner in his family, Roman weighed his options, applied to Wilbur Wright and won a full scholarship to cover the $5,800 CNC program.
"I'm soaking in as much as I can," he said. "I'm hopeful I'll land a job after I graduate."
Norma Trinidad, 50, lost her 23-year factory job after the company went belly up in 2010.
Once when she was at the local unemployment office, she saw a flier touting advanced manufacturing techniques. That got her thinking about updating her skills, particularly since she had done manual machining and knew that more manufacturers were looking for workers with higher-tech skills.
In the past year, Trinidad has acquired five certifications -- some just took a matter of weeks -- in new manufacturing techniques from another vocational school. Now, she's Roman's classmate at Wilbur Wright and on her way to earning three more certifications in high-precision skills.
Jimmy Hodges, dean of applied technologies with Wallace State Community College in Hanceville, Ala., is also seeing high job placement with his graduates.
The school's two-year accredited manufacturing program, costing between $8,000 and $10,000, includes machining, CNC and a course in tool and die making.
Hodges, a machinist himself, said Wallace is getting close to placing 100% of its students, too, driven by a pickup in auto and other manufacturing in the state.
He hopes these stats help change a persistent misconception about manufacturing. "Young people in the country think manufacturing is nasty and dirty," he said. "Not so. It's clean, high-tech, and the pay isn't bad."
Hodges' son graduated from Wallace's manufacturing program in 2005 and landed a $45,000 base pay job with an aerospace maker. "With overtime he's making much more," he said.
His daughter opted for a four-year degree in education from the University of Alabama.
Her starting salary as a 5th grade teacher is about $36,000, said Hodges, adding that she also has $45,000 in student loans.
"My daughter is an awesome teacher," he said. "But who do you think got the better deal?" To top of page
-
Feminism change the structure of families so that children were left to fend for themselves while mom went into the workforce – which put downward pressure on wages. Before feminism a father could afford to support a family on his salary alone.
That's an interesting theory. Not sure I agree with it, however.
Liberal political feminism has been destructive, but true feminism......allowing women to achieve, develop their God given talents, participate in sports, make the same salaries as men who do the same exact job..........has not hurt, IMO, the family's economic situation.
I'll be interested in a further explanation of your position.
-
The fact you think trade school means laying pipe and digging trenches shows just how uninformed you really are........
http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/14/smallbusiness/trade-schools/
Nine months in trade school. Job guaranteed.
By Parija Kavilanz @CNNMoney
As demand for high-skilled workers spikes, some manufacturing trade schools are smashing records and boasting 100% job placement for students.
With factories on a hiring spree, manufacturing students in trade schools, such as Alabama's Wallace State Community College are in high demand.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- As millions of young Americans struggle to land jobs, students in manufacturing trade schools are sitting in a sweet spot. They're being hired even before they graduate.
Two weeks ago, students from the manufacturing program in Chicago's Wilbur Wright-Humboldt Park vocational college attended a local job fair.
"Five of our students were hired in just one day," said lead instructor Bryant Redd. The new hires are from a class of 41 students who are still four months away from completing a nine-month advanced certification program in computerized numerical control (CNC) machining.
In the program, students go beyond basic machining with classes in computer design, machine shop technology and machine shop math.
Manufacturers in the Chicago area are busier than ever lately, and they're "begging" for more workers trained in advanced manufacturing skills like CNC machining, said Redd.
It's not just in Chicago. Factory work has picked up considerably nationwide, making skilled workers a valuable commodity, said Marc Smierciak, associate dean of instruction at the vocational college.
$100K manufacturing jobs
"Employers right now need workers with these high-precision skills. But the mismatch is that most of America's unemployed workforce doesn't possess these skills," Smierciak said.
So manufacturers are racing to trade schools like Wilbur Wright, one of only seven schools in Illinois that offer an accredited CNC course, and snapping up newly-minted factory workers as quickly as they can.
The demand for his graduates is so intense that last year's CNC graduating class scored a 100% job placement.
"It's a wonderful accomplishment for us," said Smierciak. It was the first time the school achieved perfect placement in the program's 15-year history. Smierciak expects this year's graduating class to meet with similar success.
To get into the program, students need a high school diploma or the equivalent and can go part-time or full-time.
The starting salary for the new hires averages about $40,000 a year, with the potential to jump to $55,000 to $65,000 in less than two years, he said.
As word spread about last year's record, the school is seeing a rush of new applications. "We usually enroll 20 students max per year," said Smierciak. "We are at overcapacity right now with 27 students in the day program and 14 in the night one."
Some of them are young high school graduates, while others are middle-aged displaced workers retraining themselves for in-demand skills.
Reynaldo Roman, 21, had been thinking about going to college to study electrical engineering when his friend told him about Wilbur Wright's CNC course.
"I did some research on salaries," he said. "After a four-year degree, I might be getting paid as much or less than I would as a certified CNC operator," he said.
As the primary income earner in his family, Roman weighed his options, applied to Wilbur Wright and won a full scholarship to cover the $5,800 CNC program.
"I'm soaking in as much as I can," he said. "I'm hopeful I'll land a job after I graduate."
Norma Trinidad, 50, lost her 23-year factory job after the company went belly up in 2010.
Once when she was at the local unemployment office, she saw a flier touting advanced manufacturing techniques. That got her thinking about updating her skills, particularly since she had done manual machining and knew that more manufacturers were looking for workers with higher-tech skills.
In the past year, Trinidad has acquired five certifications -- some just took a matter of weeks -- in new manufacturing techniques from another vocational school. Now, she's Roman's classmate at Wilbur Wright and on her way to earning three more certifications in high-precision skills.
Jimmy Hodges, dean of applied technologies with Wallace State Community College in Hanceville, Ala., is also seeing high job placement with his graduates.
The school's two-year accredited manufacturing program, costing between $8,000 and $10,000, includes machining, CNC and a course in tool and die making.
Hodges, a machinist himself, said Wallace is getting close to placing 100% of its students, too, driven by a pickup in auto and other manufacturing in the state.
He hopes these stats help change a persistent misconception about manufacturing. "Young people in the country think manufacturing is nasty and dirty," he said. "Not so. It's clean, high-tech, and the pay isn't bad."
Hodges' son graduated from Wallace's manufacturing program in 2005 and landed a $45,000 base pay job with an aerospace maker. "With overtime he's making much more," he said.
His daughter opted for a four-year degree in education from the University of Alabama.
Her starting salary as a 5th grade teacher is about $36,000, said Hodges, adding that she also has $45,000 in student loans.
"My daughter is an awesome teacher," he said. "But who do you think got the better deal?" To top of page
This is a long post and I am in the middle of something. I will come back to this and respond out of respect for the time you took to post it.
-
Compare income equality now to income equality 40-50 years ago. Minimum wage used to be a reasonable amount of money to live on; that is no longer true. Many people have to work 2 and even 3 jobs to make ends meet. There would be no need for all the safety nets if the average Joe could afford to live without them.
I disagree. I earned minimum wage as a teen with a part time job. Graduated high school, started college, and began getting more skills. With less than half of a 4 year college program, had acquired enough skills to command about 3 times minimum wage, on which I did support a wife and child, at age 20.
I could NOT have supported even myself on minimum wage then, so you are misinformed about REALITY, versus the propaganda you seem so willing to swallow without verification.
Oh, and by the way, I worked full time or nearly full time all during college, both before GI benefits, and after I got them.
I and I knew time was money, so tried to get it over with fast. And I pursued a major which paid a good income, to make it worth my while.
How do you stack up against that reasoning? Are you conducting your life in an intelligent, financially rational manner?
Or are you merely bitter and resentful, that your choices don't automatically yield good results?
-
Not everybody is suited for that kind of work, and because they are not suited for it they choose different paths.
-
Not everybody is suited for that kind of work, and because they are not suited for it they choose different paths.
If you read the article you see there is many, many options and most of it is computerized these days... and BTW if you want to go to school longer and study for a degree that may or may not have a payback over it's lifetime vs a less expensive higher-paying alternative that is your business, just don't whine that you have huge student loan debt (as a result) and expect me to help pay for your PhD
-
i had a neighbor who is kind of a fool. was supposed to be working on his ged but sat around home all day collecting disability while baking muffins. used too much butter and sugar though. Dumb ass sat on a tree limb one day in the outhouse. put all his garbage in the wrong recycle bin too. His father was a communist
-
just don't whine that you have huge student loan debt (as a result) and expect me to help pay for your PhD
In my perfect world I would never ask you to pay for something of mine. If I had everything my way, this is what I would do. Bring home all of our troops from all over the world and cut military spending on things like more tanks we don't need and the military doesn't want. Keep the United States out of any war that doesn't directly effect us. Dismantle the NSA, end the war on drugs and demilitarize the police. Put restrictions on corporations that prevent them from sending all of their jobs overseas. Raise taxes on giant, wealthy corporations like Walmart, Mcdonalds, Microsoft and Google. Raise taxes on the billionaires that own those corporations, and enforce restrictions that prevent them from avoiding taxes. Make it so those same billionaires actually have to suffer consequences for the crimes they commit.
Use all of the money generated from everything that was changed to completely front the bill for all healthcare in the United States. No restrictions, and no nonsense. The supplies and cost of the paychecks would be completely funded by the government, and other than that the government would completely stay out of the picture. If you feel sick or get hurt you could go to the hospital and get good care completely free of charge. Lower taxes on anybody making less than 5 million dollars a year, and have the percentage of taxes get lower and lower as income decreases until taxes are eliminated for anybody not making more than 250 thousand dollars a year. Eliminate taxes on businesses that do not surplus more than 50 million dollars a year, and the taxes of any business making more than that would slowly climb higher with increased income. Make it so every American can comfortably retire at a reasonable age, and not have to worry about an injury or illness bankrupting them. Increase funding for things like NASA, and technology that will help improve the lives of all.
Why does so much need to be spent on war, destruction, fear and the best interests of obsessed billionaires that make and steal more money than any human being could reasonably spend in 100 lifetimes? Why can't we use it instead to improve the lives of everybody living in this country? Multimillionaires and billionaires would still be incredibly rich, and could still live an incredibly good/comfortable life. It could be that way, but it isn't.
-
In my perfect world I would never ask you to pay for something of mine. If I had everything my way, this is what I would do. Bring home all of our troops from all over the world and cut military spending on things like more tanks we don't need and the military doesn't want. Keep the United States out of any war that didn't directly effect us. Dismantle the NSA, end the war on drugs and demilitarize the police. Put restrictions on corporations that prevent them from sending all of their jobs overseas. Raise taxes on giant, wealthy corporations like Walmart, Mcdonalds, Microsoft and Google. Raise taxes on the billionaires that own those corporations, and enforce restrictions that prevent them from avoiding taxes. Make it so those same billionaires actually have to suffer consequences for the crimes they commit.
Use all of the money generated from everything that was changed to completely front the bill for all healthcare in the United States. No restrictions, and no nonsense. The supplies and cost of the paychecks would be completely funded by the government, and other than that the government would completely stay out of the picture. If you feel sick or get hurt you could go to the hospital and get good care completely free of charge. Lower taxes on anybody making less than 5 million dollars a year, and have the percentage of taxes get lower and lower as income decreases until taxes are eliminated for anybody not making more than 250 thousand dollars a year. Eliminate taxes on businesses that do not surplus more than 50 million dollars a year, and the taxes of any business making more than that would slowly climb higher with increased income. Make it so every American can comfortably retire at a reasonable age, and not have to worry about an injury or illness bankrupting them. Increase funding for things like NASA, and technology that will help improve the lives of all.
Why does so much need to be spent on war, destruction, fear and the best interests of obsessed billionaires that make and steal more money than any human being could reasonably spend in 100 lifetimes? Why can't we use it instead to improve the lives of everybody living in this country? Multimillionaires and billionaires would still be incredibly rich, and could still live an incredibly good/comfortable life. It could be that way, but it isn't.
The only job of the Federal Government - per the constitution is for national security.
Show me where in the Constitution it says we are to pay taxes, much less pay for your healthcare or college education.
As for the billionaires you so loathe show me the poor man you have received a well-paying job from? Fact is rich people create jobs and they create more wealth. They worked to get where they are, they didn't sit around expecting a hand-out they went out and created something that people wanted and in return they became wealthy. Envy of another persons wealth and thinking it should be taken away from them 'to redistribute" is pure, unadulterated, socialism.
Also if we taxed every billionaire 100% it would not make a dent in the national debt.
-
Resentment of the successful shows a total ignorance about history and economics.
So does the idea that governments' purpose is to make people have good life outcomes, regardless of their choices or their behavior.
But Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Hitler created those resentments, and brought misery and death to tens of millions.
-
BTW reading just this sentence -- you REALLY need to take a few economics and business classes because you are totally and completely clueless.
Raise taxes on giant, wealthy corporations like Walmart, Mcdonalds, Microsoft and Google. Raise taxes on the billionaires that own those corporations, and enforce restrictions that prevent them from avoiding taxes.
First of all these so-called billionaires answer to a little thing called their STOCK HOLDERS... and raising taxes does absolutely nothing beneficial for the economy - actually the opposite and in the process all they do is RAISE PRICES..... so you and I pay more for the goods. Taxes are but one part of the equation in what is commonly referred to as COST OF GOODS......
and as for sending jobs out of the country - I suspect you are equally clueless about WHY so many jobs are sent offshore and since it is quite clear from your post you are one of those who wants something for nothing while the rest of us work for a living I am not even going to try and spin my wheels trying to explain how the real world works. You may want to think about moving to France, sounds like their system suits you much more than what we have enjoyed here for over 200 years.
-
I am getting sick and tired of this.
:whistle:
-
Resentment of the successful shows a total ignorance about history and economics.
So does the idea that governments' purpose is to make people have good life outcomes, regardless of their choices or their behavior.
But Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Hitler created those resentments, and brought misery and death to tens of millions.
Amen.
-
BTW reading just this sentence -- you REALLY need to take a few economics and business classes because you are totally and completely clueless.
First of all these so-called billionaires answer to a little thing called their STOCK HOLDERS... and raising taxes does absolutely nothing beneficial for the economy - actually the opposite and in the process all they do is RAISE PRICES..... so you and I pay more for the goods. Taxes are but one part of the equation in what is commonly referred to as COST OF GOODS......
and as for sending jobs out of the country - I suspect you are equally clueless about WHY so many jobs are sent offshore and since it is quite clear from your post you are one of those who wants something for nothing while the rest of us work for a living I am not even going to try and spin my wheels trying to explain how the real world works. You may want to think about moving to France, sounds like their system suits you much more than what we have enjoyed here for over 200 years.
Rapunzel............not meaning to be critical here, but you're trying to teach someone who is unteachable.
His point is to spout propaganda, NOT to learn the truth.
You can keep giving him the truth and exposing his abject, willful ignorance, but he's not going to learn from it. He's just going to keep vomiting what his handlers are feeding him.
It's an exercise in futility to teach one who hasn't the slightest interest in learning, or bettering himself through knowledge.
-
I am getting sick and tired of this.
:whistle:
If you are referring to people who jump into a thread and veer it completely off target and than others take the bait, I'm with you. Nothing like wasting time returning to a thread to check new posts and finding they have absolutely nothing to do with the original topic
-
If you are referring to people who jump into a thread and veer it completely off target and than others take the bait, I'm with you. Nothing like wasting time returning to a thread to check new posts and finding they have absolutely nothing to do with the original topic
This thread would have never made it this far if the topic had not evolved. It would have hit a page or maybe two and then it would have disappeared. How much is there to really discuss about a teacher getting raped and murdered by a student? Through discussion of the things said by posters in this thread it has evolved beyond the confines of what it originally was, and as a result has become a larger and more active thread filled with the back and forth discussions of people that use this forum. I question everything, and as a result many of the threads I post in become very active, and don't always stay completely in line with the original topic. That is the way discussion often works.
-
If you want to discuss your socialist utopia agenda why don't you start your own thread and anyone interested in evolving with you can go to it
-
Good idea. I just found out I'm a 10 percent socialist. I'll hop aboard that thread, Anomalism... if only to discuss my recovery.
-
First of all these so-called billionaires answer to a little thing called their STOCK HOLDERS... and raising taxes does absolutely nothing beneficial for the economy - actually the opposite and in the process all they do is RAISE PRICES..... so you and I pay more for the goods. Taxes are but one part of the equation in what is commonly referred to as COST OF GOODS......
If taxes on giant corporations went up and caused the price of their goods to increase, would that not make it easier for smaller businesses that would have less or no taxes to compete with them? A corporation like Walmart comes into town and intentionally puts all the competition out of business. They destroy the free market by creating a monopoly. It seems to me that if they wanted to stay in business they'd need to fairly compete with what small business owners were offering. That might mean the Walton family makes a few less billions every year, but I think they'd be alright.
-
Good idea. I just found out I'm a 10 percent socialist. I'll hop aboard that thread, Anomalism... if only to discuss my recovery.
It's that hippie background of yours, aligncare. You've got to cleanse yourself. ^-^
-
This thread would have never made it this far if the topic had not evolved. It would have hit a page or maybe two and then it would have disappeared. How much is there to really discuss about a teacher getting raped and murdered by a student? Through discussion of the things said by posters in this thread it has evolved beyond the confines of what it originally was, and as a result has become a larger and more active thread filled with the back and forth discussions of people that use this forum. I question everything, and as a result many of the threads I post in become very active, and don't always stay completely in line with the original topic. That is the way discussion often works.
In the future stay on the topic of the thread. If you want an "evolved" discussion take it to the boxing ring.
-
That might mean the Walton family makes a few less billions every year, but I think they'd be alright.
Who are you to say whether any particular amount of money or wealth is appropriate for anyone?
Do you propose taxing only large retailers like Walmart or also the large multinational companies that manufacture the goods sold by Walmart and all those small businesses, e.g., Colgate, Proctor and Gamble, Kraft Foods, Jockey, etc. If you also tax the manufacturer, the price it charges Walmart and the small businesses will go up and both retailers - whether large or small - will have to raise the price of what the consumer wants to buy.
The only thing that will help small business, the middle class and just about everyone else is lower taxes.
-
And what does any of this thread creep - especially the evil Walmart - have to do with this wretched boy who killed his teacher?
-
Who are you to say whether any particular amount of money or wealth is appropriate for anyone?
Do you propose taxing only large retailers like Walmart or also the large multinational companies that manufacture the goods sold by Walmart and all those small businesses, e.g., Colgate, Proctor and Gamble, Kraft Foods, Jockey, etc. If you also tax the manufacturer, the price it charges Walmart and the small businesses will go up and both retailers - whether large or small - will have to raise the price of what the consumer wants to buy.
The only thing that will help small business, the middle class and just about everyone else is lower taxes.
If you also increased tax on giant manufacturers and the cost of production went up somewhat, would that not be largely nullified by small businesses paying much less or no taxes? Maybe we could even have a sliding scale of taxes for the manufacturers as well? Maybe we could force more competition among the manufacturers in the same way we could force Walmart to compete with small businesses. I completely agree that taxes on small businesses and the middle class need to go way down, but I don't agree that the same is true for the super rich and giant corporations.
-
Who are you to say whether any particular amount of money or wealth is appropriate for anyone?
Do you propose taxing only large retailers like Walmart or also the large multinational companies that manufacture the goods sold by Walmart and all those small businesses, e.g., Colgate, Proctor and Gamble, Kraft Foods, Jockey, etc. If you also tax the manufacturer, the price it charges Walmart and the small businesses will go up and both retailers - whether large or small - will have to raise the price of what the consumer wants to buy.
The only thing that will help small business, the middle class and just about everyone else is lower taxes.
Spot on. Materials cost goes up, prices go up on the finished product. Prices go up on the finished product, prices go up in the store.
These things are not made by some replicator out of thin air - they need raw materials, transportation, various skill level workers, machinery (with it's accompanying depreciation and maintenance), stockers, checkout staff, drivers, warehouse staff. Every one of which needs paying for, before the government take their cut in taxes and excise duty.
The profit raked in by the "fat cat" billionaires is negligible compared to the total required to pay everyone else.
PS - Not to make suggestions, but everything from post 18 onward might be better split from this thread and given it's own.
-
everything from post 18 onward might be better split from this thread and given it's own.
That's a great idea. Move it to the boxing ring and we can continue having a discussion.