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Title: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 24, 2018, 04:05:08 am
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A sitting member of Congress is publicly proposing a ban on so-called military-style semi-automatic rifles and advocates criminal prosecution for Americans who refuse to take part in a mandatory buyback program.

In an opinion piece for USA Today, Rep. Eric Swalwell, D-Calif., unleashed his agenda.

“[W]e should ban possession of military-style semiautomatic assault weapons, we should buy back such weapons from all who choose to abide by the law, and we should criminally prosecute any who choose to defy it by keeping their weapons,” wrote Swalwell, who does allow for such weapons to be kept in police stations and shooting clubs.

Earlier this week, in a heated debate with Tucker Carlson on the Fox News Channel, Swalwell stood by his proposal, insisting no one would be going door to door to look for the banned weapons and make arrests, but he did say people could be charged and prosecuted for still owning the rifles if police found them in the course of normal police work.

“And if you were caught, just like if you were caught with drugs or anything else, and they had probable cause to go into your home and you had one of these weapons, yeah, you’d be prosecuted,” said Swalwell in his Fox News interview.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 24, 2018, 04:07:05 am
Hey @Jazzhead haven't you been calling us all fools for thinking this would happen with your "Moderate" gun control ideas? Look what a sitting member of congress is openly pushing for in a national news paper.........confiscation.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: RoosGirl on May 24, 2018, 04:31:17 am
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we should buy back such weapons from all who choose to abide by the law

So, not only does he want to make owning certain guns illegal, he wants to "buy them back" with *MY* money.  LOL  Seriously, he wants to confiscate my property and pay me for it with my own tax money.  bleep him.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 24, 2018, 04:38:39 am
So, not only does he want to make owning certain guns illegal, he wants to "buy them back" with *MY* money.  LOL  Seriously, he wants to confiscate my property and pay me for it with my own tax money.  bleep him.

Don't worry though. You won't be arrested for passing on the buyback because the cops will only get you if they are investigating other things.......like you parking too close to the curb or parking too far from the curb or not sorting your recycling or breaking wind in public or mispronouncing a word. No worries at all.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: RoosGirl on May 24, 2018, 04:42:20 am
Don't worry though. You won't be arrested for passing on the buyback because the cops will only get you if they are investigating other things.......like you parking too close to the curb or parking too far from the curb or not sorting your recycling or breaking wind in public or mispronouncing a word. No worries at all.

Yeah, it reminds me how in Florida they wanted to "encourage" people to wear their seatbelts, so *if* you got pulled over and *if* you weren't wearing your seatbelt you could also be ticketed for that, but never never were you going to be pulled over just for not wearing your seatbelt.  Until they started pulling people over and ticketing them just for not wearing their seatbelt.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 24, 2018, 04:46:27 am
Yeah, it reminds me how in Florida they wanted to "encourage" people to wear their seatbelts, so *if* you got pulled over and *if* you weren't wearing your seatbelt you could also be ticketed for that, but never never were you going to be pulled over just for not wearing your seatbelt.  Until they started pulling people over and ticketing them just for not wearing their seatbelt.

That's funny. When I read this article I thought of the same damn thing. They pulled that shit in PA years ago saying they would only bust people for seatbelts only if they did something else to be pulled over. All of a sudden people are getting pulled over for dirty taillights and crooked hood ornaments and then nailed for not wearing seatbelts.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: INVAR on May 24, 2018, 04:49:15 am
Hey @Jazzhead haven't you been calling us all fools for thinking this would happen with your "Moderate" gun control ideas? Look what a sitting member of congress is openly pushing for in a national news paper.........confiscation.

Yes, we were arguing about this very issue from this very same moronic tyrant's proposal in Congress with our resident Leftist just this evening.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: jpsb on May 24, 2018, 04:50:01 am
Yeah, it reminds me how in Florida they wanted to "encourage" people to wear their seatbelts, so *if* you got pulled over and *if* you weren't wearing your seatbelt you could also be ticketed for that, but never never were you going to be pulled over just for not wearing your seatbelt.  Until they started pulling people over and ticketing them just for not wearing their seatbelt.

We were told the same damn lie here in Texas. Never, ever believe a damn thing any politician tells
you. Especially if they are saying "we would never".
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: RoosGirl on May 24, 2018, 04:52:08 am
Yes, we were arguing about this very issue from this very same moronic tyrant's proposal in Congress with our resident Leftist just this evening.

He's off thinking of new ways to use the word "masturbatory".
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: RoosGirl on May 24, 2018, 04:53:30 am
That's funny. When I read this article I thought of the same damn thing. They pulled that shit in PA years ago saying they would only bust people for seatbelts only if they did something else to be pulled over. All of a sudden people are getting pulled over for dirty taillights and crooked hood ornaments and then nailed for not wearing seatbelts.

Hah, our message signs over the highways now, that presumably are there to warn people of accidents or delays ahead, quite often have the message "Click it or ticket"  They don't even pretend anymore.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 24, 2018, 04:56:38 am
He's off thinking of new ways to use the word "masturbatory".

Damn plagiarist. That's my term to bandy around here. WTF!
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: libertybele on May 24, 2018, 09:16:52 pm
They're coming...slowly, but surely.  The leftists push, and push, and push until they get their way; whether it be tomorrow or a decade from now.  Perhaps the most concerning statement... " but he did say people could be charged and prosecuted for still owning the rifles if police found them in the course of normal police work."[/u]  Gee... as opposed to abnormal police work? 

This makes me sick to my stomach!
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on May 27, 2018, 12:02:51 pm
14th Amendment Sec 1, Clause 1.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

After the War of Secession, Since some folks STILL hadn't got the mssg. we straightened out that stuff with the Civil War Amendments.

1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

IF States Rights were intended to be on a equal footing with Citizens Rights or Superior to Citizens Federal Rights the Opening Clause would need to state:

are Citizens of Both the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Right off the top Clause 1 establishes the Supremacy of Federal Citizenship (and it's Protections) over State Citizenship (and it's erosion BY State Tyrannies of/infringement upon,  those Federal guarantees).

In Plain, unvarnished English, States have NO AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER to infringe, revoke, or otherwise limit Any Federally Guaranteed Individual Citizen's Rights.


And Furthermore;

I am not in the slightest interested in any contrary Opinions issued as Case Law by the Courts.

Where Courts have refused to understand/uphold the Plain, Unequivocal Intent and Meaning of any of the Bill of Rights Supremacy over State Govt Regulations, their ruling is in error and in need of being overturned by SCOTUS, which, has not yet upheld in its entirety the actual Supreme Law of these United States.


This clown should be prosecuted for openly conspiring to violate the Civil Rights of every Citizen of the United States.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: WingNot on May 27, 2018, 02:37:15 pm
That's funny. When I read this article I thought of the same damn thing. They pulled that shit in PA years ago saying they would only bust people for seatbelts only if they did something else to be pulled over. All of a sudden people are getting pulled over for dirty taillights and crooked hood ornaments and then nailed for not wearing seatbelts.

We were told the same damn lie here in Texas. Never, ever believe a damn thing any politician tells
you. Especially if they are saying "we would never".

If you like your seat belt off (like your heath care), you can keep your seat belt off.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: skeeter on May 27, 2018, 02:47:31 pm
Hey @Jazzhead haven't you been calling us all fools for thinking this would happen with your "Moderate" gun control ideas? Look what a sitting member of congress is openly pushing for in a national news paper.........confiscation.

Oh I wouldn't expect the left to cede your point. Carlson couldn't get this Swalwell clown to admit his plan amounted to firearm confiscation.

There are no grounds for discussion anymore. The left simply is incapable of being honest.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: andy58-in-nh on May 27, 2018, 02:54:10 pm
I live in the only state in the nation not to have mandatory seat belt laws for adults. Amazingly, the vast majority still choose to buckle up... imagine that. 

We also have no restrictions on owning and carrying firearms in New Hampshire. And despite dire warnings, our streets do not resemble the Wild West. Actually, the "Wild West" in reality never really resembled the Wild West of historical memory, but that's another story.

The price of liberty is always eternal vigilance, because there is always someone, somewhere who believes the human condition might be immeasurably improved by the passage of just One More Law.

Honest people are motivated by concern for others, however misguided their solutions might sometimes be. But far too many others are motivated by a desire for power and control or by fear, which leads them to the same conclusions. 
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Elderberry on May 27, 2018, 03:08:59 pm
Yeah, it reminds me how in Florida they wanted to "encourage" people to wear their seatbelts, so *if* you got pulled over and *if* you weren't wearing your seatbelt you could also be ticketed for that, but never never were you going to be pulled over just for not wearing your seatbelt.  Until they started pulling people over and ticketing them just for not wearing their seatbelt.

You car's computer knows if you're not buckled up.

When are cars going to start finking on you?
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: INVAR on May 27, 2018, 03:24:14 pm
They're coming...slowly, but surely.  The leftists push, and push, and push until they get their way; whether it be tomorrow or a decade from now.  Perhaps the most concerning statement... " but he did say people could be charged and prosecuted for still owning the rifles if police found them in the course of normal police work."[/u]  Gee... as opposed to abnormal police work? 

This makes me sick to my stomach!

As has been pointed out adroitly by others - it will be just like the seatbelt 'laws' that were introduced with the same promise - only when in the course of 'normal police work' could a person be cited for not wearing a seatbelt.  Now, not only can you be pulled over and cited for not wearing one, they have roadblock checkpoints now - to pull you over to MAKE SURE you have your seatbelt on and your papers are in order.  Comrade.

Confiscation will result in very public raids to create a climate of fear to force compliance with their tyranny.  I just pray and hope that the cost of doing so will be beyond what the government and it's alphabets will risk.  Otherwise it will become the costliest government mandate in the history of mankind.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: DCPatriot on May 27, 2018, 03:26:49 pm
@Jazzhead ?   @Buehler??  @Beuhler???       :laugh:
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Axeslinger on May 27, 2018, 05:07:19 pm
@Jazzhead ?   @Buehler??  @Beuhler???       :laugh:

Too gutless to volunteer to put his own ass on the line...too gutless to come here and face the music.

And If by some chance his gutless silliness shows up, I’d say the over/under on his using ANY of the following words is about 1 post:

Reasonable
Efficacious
Community
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Applewood on May 27, 2018, 05:45:41 pm
One of my liberal friends finally admitted that gun confiscation is what libs really wanted.  For a long time she insisted that she just wanted control over so-called "assault weapons" (good luck getting a liberal to define that term).  No, no one was going to deprive anyone of legal gun ownership.  She finally admitted during a whining email right after the Santa Fe shooting that only police and the military should be allowed guns and that any others should be confiscated and banned. 

I emailed her a link to the story about the ordinary citizen with a legal firearm who took out a shooter in an Oklahoma City restaurant.  Haven't heard back from her.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on May 27, 2018, 06:47:35 pm
@Applewood

I've seen stories of these clowns complaining that WE, are resorting to 'gunsplainin' to confuse the unwary.

Pro 2A types ask for definitions of the dreaded 'Assault Weapons' from the gun-banners to expose them as not knowing WTF they're talking about.

And that 'gunsplainin' is an unfair tactic.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Emjay on May 27, 2018, 07:22:22 pm
@Applewood

I've seen stories of these clowns complaining that WE, are resorting to 'gunsplainin' to confuse the unwary.

Pro 2A types ask for definitions of the dreaded 'Assault Weapons' from the gun-banners to expose them as not knowing WTF they're talking about.

And that 'gunsplainin' is an unfair tactic.

This will never happen.  It's not a popular issue with the public and the people pushing it are people everybody wants to shoot.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: darroll on May 27, 2018, 11:10:36 pm
This will never happen.  It's not a popular issue with the public and the people pushing it are people everybody wants to shoot.
Yup
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 27, 2018, 11:21:07 pm
You car's computer knows if you're not buckled up.

When are cars going to start finking on you?

Well the Feds keep talking about bring back the dreaded Seat Belt Interlock system from 1974. The 70's bullshit was easy to disconnect, but I am guessing the new ones wouldn't be because they would run through the computer.

(https://www.allpar.com/photos/mopar/ignition-cutoff/interlock.jpg)
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: roamer_1 on May 27, 2018, 11:43:15 pm
Well the Feds keep talking about bring back the dreaded Seat Belt Interlock system from 1974. The 70's bullshit was easy to disconnect, but I am guessing the new ones wouldn't be because they would run through the computer.


It will still be easy. Still either jump across, jump across with a resistor, or jump to ground. In the end, the mechanism has to be simple.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on May 27, 2018, 11:48:26 pm
Well the Feds keep talking about bring back the dreaded Seat Belt Interlock system from 1974. The 70's bullshit was easy to disconnect, but I am guessing the new ones wouldn't be because they would run through the computer.

(https://www.allpar.com/photos/mopar/ignition-cutoff/interlock.jpg)

Yeah. Cars are SO much improved these days/SSSSS.

I gotta a mopar POS and I have to pull the motor off the mounts and transmission to change the plugs and wires in it. 
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: GtHawk on May 27, 2018, 11:58:58 pm
We were told the same damn lie here in Texas. Never, ever believe a damn thing any politician tells
you
. Especially if they are saying "we would never".
Unless it's our current President? :bigsilly:
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Emjay on May 28, 2018, 12:01:49 am
Unless it's our current President? :bigsilly:

I can't believe all this angst about the seat-belt law.  It is a good thing and I have no objection to people getting ticketed. 

They are the same dumb asses that would want us to support their long recovery from head and neck injuries they got because they didn't wear their seat belts.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: roamer_1 on May 28, 2018, 12:13:09 am
I can't believe all this angst about the seat-belt law.  It is a good thing and I have no objection to people getting ticketed. 

They are the same dumb asses that would want us to support their long recovery from head and neck injuries they got because they didn't wear their seat belts.

Pardon me, but your socialism is showing.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: RoosGirl on May 28, 2018, 12:37:36 am
I can't believe all this angst about the seat-belt law.  It is a good thing and I have no objection to people getting ticketed. 

They are the same dumb asses that would want us to support their long recovery from head and neck injuries they got because they didn't wear their seat belts.

Not everyone wants a nanny telling them what to do.  You want one, then hire one.  Leave the rest of us the hell alone.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: roamer_1 on May 28, 2018, 12:49:43 am
Not everyone wants a nanny telling them what to do.  You want one, then hire one.  Leave the rest of us the hell alone.

That's right. And be sure to put your helmet on in the shower too.  9999hair out0000  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: GtHawk on May 28, 2018, 12:52:12 am
Not everyone wants a nanny telling them what to do.  You want one, then hire one.  Leave the rest of us the hell alone.
I wear mine all the time, because I have had too many bad accidents hit once by a stupid teen and three times by illegal unlicensed drivers, but I don't believe in forcing others to wear a seat belt............................unless they are in my car.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: GtHawk on May 28, 2018, 12:55:22 am
I can't believe all this angst about the seat-belt law.  It is a good thing and I have no objection to people getting ticketed. 

They are the same dumb asses that would want us to support their long recovery from head and neck injuries they got because they didn't wear their seat belts.
I've been injured badly four times, each time I did wear my seat belt, but not once did anyone else pay to support my recovery, the insurance I paid for covered it.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Fantom on May 28, 2018, 12:57:58 am
That's funny. When I read this article I thought of the same damn thing. They pulled that shit in PA years ago saying they would only bust people for seatbelts only if they did something else to be pulled over. All of a sudden people are getting pulled over for dirty taillights and crooked hood ornaments and then nailed for not wearing seatbelts.

Heh, I get even. Here in Oklahoma a seat-belt fine is $20.00. I charge the next police/court(prosecutors/judges)/government agency I work for $150.00 for each outstanding seat belt ticket not charged off.

I really love telling them 'Bout it...'Specially the Highway Patrol hall monitors. They are the worst 'Bout it 'Round here. The second to the last told me that "WE HAVE A ZERO TOLORENCE ON SEAT BELTS..." I stopped his speech and said "I have a zero tolorence of seat belt tickets"...that was after informing him of my policy ... what a nutter...just right me the ticket(usually I tell 'Em to right me as many as they want)...I make sure money off it. As I inform them.

The last one was a few months ago.. A Hi-Po with Bernie Fife/Big Badge syndrome. This one has been writing up a bunch of stuff. Anyways, he whipped around ..almost in town, to wright me a seat belt ticket. So on a 50 MPH two lane road with no shoulder I pulled over...one tire on the grass.

Effectively this gung ho Hi Po  blocked  a major two lane artery ... dangerous, and he almost caused a real accident with his crap.

Funny thing, as he wrote me a profit, he puffed up and said.."In my presence you will wear your seat-belt". Course, I just ignored him on that as it is a moving violation in Oklahoma. After a couple times he said that , Barnie backtracked and said.."When you pull out you will have your seatbelt on".

Being a respectful lawful abiding person..sure , I did.

That was months ago.. Gung Ho has passed me many time since..I do not wear a seat-belt unless I feel the need. I refuse a governmnet leash.

Oh yeah, he has not pulled me over these months...guess I let his ego know it's boundries.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: WingNot on May 28, 2018, 01:18:35 am
Well the Feds keep talking about bring back the dreaded Seat Belt Interlock system from 1974. The 70's bullshit was easy to disconnect, but I am guessing the new ones wouldn't be because they would run through the computer.

(https://www.allpar.com/photos/mopar/ignition-cutoff/interlock.jpg)

@Frank Cannon ...Refresh my memory from those olden days.  Only FOMOCO implemented that bullshit Lock Out device.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 28, 2018, 02:04:11 am
@Frank Cannon ...Refresh my memory from those olden days.  Only FOMOCO implemented that bullshit Lock Out device.

That was the only place I ever saw it.  Most people just connected the seat belt under their asses (they were lap belts back then).  It actually made them wear their belts less, because once they were closed like that it was a double pain if you wanted to actually use the belt.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Fantom on May 28, 2018, 02:13:00 am
That was the only place I ever saw it.  Most people just connected the seat belt under their asses (they were lap belts back then).  It actually made them wear their belts less, because once they were closed like that it was a double pain if you wanted to actually use the belt.

That is what I do. Actually connect it behind the seat. So i do not have to hear the chime. One interesting thing, on a F-350.... the passenger seat is exempted from that crap regulation.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: WingNot on May 28, 2018, 02:46:58 am
That was the only place I ever saw it.  Most people just connected the seat belt under their asses (they were lap belts back then).  It actually made them wear their belts less, because once they were closed like that it was a double pain if you wanted to actually use the belt.

IIRC Under the hood on the firewall they put a switch you could press to over ride the lock out. 
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Chosen Daughter on May 28, 2018, 04:11:36 am
So, not only does he want to make owning certain guns illegal, he wants to "buy them back" with *MY* money.  LOL  Seriously, he wants to confiscate my property and pay me for it with my own tax money.  bleep him.

This!

Poor people  who purchased their firearms legally.  Unfortunate for them that there is a record and the government knows who they are.  No problem for the criminals who have purchased them on the street.

Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Emjay on May 28, 2018, 04:44:58 am
Pardon me, but your socialism is showing.

NO.  It is my common sense.  You don't have the 'freedom' to drive 70 in a 30 mph speed zone.  You don't have the freedom to run red lights or drive without a license.

This is just another law and a good one.

The socialism part is expecting the government to pay for the long recover from an accident wherein you refused to wear your seat belt.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Emjay on May 28, 2018, 04:46:54 am
That was the only place I ever saw it.  Most people just connected the seat belt under their asses (they were lap belts back then).  It actually made them wear their belts less, because once they were closed like that it was a double pain if you wanted to actually use the belt.

Why do you people want to be killed?  Just wondering?
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: INVAR on May 28, 2018, 05:11:18 am
NO.  It is my common sense.  You don't have the 'freedom' to drive 70 in a 30 mph speed zone.  You don't have the freedom to run red lights or drive without a license.

This is just another law and a good one.

The socialism part is expecting the government to pay for the long recover from an accident wherein you refused to wear your seat belt.

(http://www.ronpaul.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/cs-lewis-tyranny.jpg)
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: RoosGirl on May 28, 2018, 05:41:22 am
Why do you people want to be killed?  Just wondering?

We don't want to be killed, including by "kindness" or any other form of meddlesome do-goodness.  What we want is to be left alone to take care of ourselves without help we don't want or need from people like you who think you know better than we do.  I wear my seat belt because I feel it's safer, not because some government idiot tells me to, and I severely resent people who think they have some right to tell me what I need to do.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: roamer_1 on May 28, 2018, 06:38:40 am
NO.  It is my common sense.  You don't have the 'freedom' to drive 70 in a 30 mph speed zone.  You don't have the freedom to run red lights or drive without a license.

This is just another law and a good one.

WAY too many damn laws. So it is not 'just' another one. LOTS of things are dangerous. NONE of the world is as ordered as you must prefer it.

IN FACT, in Montana, our best success with safety was when there were no highway speed limits at all. At that same time, if you felt you were mistaken for being too drunk to drive, you could pull off the road and throw your keys, and sleep it off. No ticket. No four thousand dollar fine. No suspended insurance. Somehow we did just fine without 'just' another law.

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The socialism part is expecting the government to pay for the long recover from an accident wherein you refused to wear your seat belt.

No, the socialism part is in the limiting of what people can do because of the aggregate cost to 'the people'. It won't stop. Like I said , be sure to wear your helmet in the shower just in case. Won't be long till your busybodies in the nanny state make a law for that too anyway.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 28, 2018, 06:44:41 am
@Frank Cannon ...Refresh my memory from those olden days.  Only FOMOCO implemented that bullshit Lock Out device.

@Wingnut

Nope. That shit was Federally mandated for all 1974 passenger vehicles. I have a '74 Caprice Estate with it. AMC, Mopar, Ford, GM. They all had it. It is one of the few times that the Govt' felt a backlash and ditched it totally for '75. If you recall in '73 they just had the annoying buzzer that wouldn't stop until you put your belt on. There were pads in the seat foam.

Here is a brief history in a Mopar service bulletin.....

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xXtmlSHtIQ#)
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: WingNot on May 28, 2018, 12:34:11 pm
@Wingnut

Nope. That shit was Federally mandated for all 1974 passenger vehicles. I have a '74 Caprice Estate with it. AMC, Mopar, Ford, GM. They all had it. It is one of the few times that the Govt' felt a backlash and ditched it totally for '75. If you recall in '73 they just had the annoying buzzer that wouldn't stop until you put your belt on. There were pads in the seat foam.



Here is a brief history in a Mopar service bulletin.....

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xXtmlSHtIQ#)

Thanks Frank.   The annoyance off that intrusive government nanny law came flooding back in waves watching that.  There was a whole cottage industry that sprang up with people offering to by pass the system.  On guy who worked at the local Ford Garage would come to your home and for 20 bucks disable the whole system.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Applewood on May 28, 2018, 12:48:55 pm
Shoulder harnesses cut across my throat because I'm short.  The worst is the one in my brother's car.  I understand there are extensions you can buy.  I offered to pay for one for my brother's car, but he refused. 

If there is an accident and I'm wearing one of those shoulder harnesses, I will either be strangled or decapitated.  So tell me again how seat belts save lives. 
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Elderberry on May 28, 2018, 12:50:19 pm
My system, training my kids to buckle-up, was you were fined 25c if you weren't buckled when I started moving. Even I had to pay a couple of times.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 28, 2018, 01:31:40 pm
Why do you people want to be killed?  Just wondering?

Just saw this (Went to bed early last night).  Did you really post that to me?   **nononono*

Well, in answer:  Yes.  Don't want to be the trigger man, but I would be fine with a mass expiration.  I'm a misanthrope.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: WingNot on May 28, 2018, 01:41:26 pm
Shoulder harnesses cut across my throat because I'm short.  The worst is the one in my brother's car.  I understand there are extensions you can buy.  I offered to pay for one for my brother's car, but he refused. 

If there is an accident and I'm wearing one of those shoulder harnesses, I will either be strangled or decapitated.  So tell me again how seat belts save lives.

I think you need one of them there booster seats.  It is the gateway seat! :smokin:
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on May 28, 2018, 01:48:51 pm
There's one simple maxim to driving.

Everyone else on the road is Trying to kill you.

Drive accordingly and you won't need a seat belt.

Never trust stop signs, traffic lights, other cars turn signals, etc.

Everyone else is asleep at their wheel.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 28, 2018, 02:18:16 pm
There's one simple maxim to driving.

Everyone else on the road is Trying to kill you.

Drive accordingly and you won't need a seat belt.

Never trust stop signs, traffic lights, other cars turn signals, etc.

Everyone else is asleep at their wheel.

There's a spectrum:  Other drivers are either Idiots, A-holes or Homicidal.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: WingNot on May 28, 2018, 02:21:38 pm
There's a spectrum:  Other drivers are either Idiots, A-holes or Homicidal.

Along those lines, did ya Ever notice that anyone going slower than you is an idiot, but anyone going faster is a maniac?
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 28, 2018, 02:22:34 pm
Why do you people want to be killed?  Just wondering?
You really should be speaking to bike riders instead.

Odds are a lot greater of being killed by riding either a motor bike or a street bike.

Laws do not protect people, just make them more likely to be criminals.

I visited Austin Texas the other day, and you buy groceries but they do not provide bags for you as they are horrible to the environment.  Or so they say.  They will of course gladly sell you a bag, so the environmental excuse is proven to be just crap.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: WingNot on May 28, 2018, 02:24:53 pm


I visited Austin Texas the other day,

I so sorry.  Sometimes there just isn't enough soap to wash that cities liberal stink off a body.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 28, 2018, 05:14:50 pm
Thanks Frank.   The annoyance off that intrusive government nanny law came flooding back in waves watching that.  There was a whole cottage industry that sprang up with people offering to by pass the system.  On guy who worked at the local Ford Garage would come to your home and for 20 bucks disable the whole system.

LOL. What an awesome racket that guy was running. All you had to do was undo the connector under the seats. A 3 minute job and that included opening the door to get in.

Interestingly there are ways to shut off the seat belt chimes in some cars today. I have a newer Land Rover and if you latch and unlatch the seat belt 9 time in rapid succession it will tell the computer to stop the seat belt chime.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: RoosGirl on May 28, 2018, 05:22:21 pm
LOL. What an awesome racket that guy was running. All you had to do was undo the connector under the seats. A 3 minute job and that included opening the door to get in.

Interestingly there are ways to shut off the seat belt chimes in some cars today. I have a newer Land Rover and if you latch and unlatch the seat belt 9 time in rapid succession it will tell the computer to stop the seat belt chime.

Permanently, or you have to do that every time you start up the car?
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: WingNot on May 28, 2018, 05:23:41 pm
Permanently, or you have to do that every time you start up the car?

Get back in the 1974 kitchen and leave this to the men folk.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: RoosGirl on May 28, 2018, 05:25:56 pm
Get back in the 1974 kitchen and leave this to the men folk.

If I saw evidence of men folk I would.  Now go fix me a bleep salad.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: roamer_1 on May 28, 2018, 05:28:11 pm
I think you need one of them there booster seats.  It is the gateway seat! :smokin:

Naw... then you've got to strap blocks to your feet to reach the pedals... There's no cool in that at all... booster seat and blocks on your feet...  **nononono* *****rollingeyes*****

 :silly:
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 28, 2018, 05:31:35 pm
Permanently, or you have to do that every time you start up the car?

Permanently........and do you have my sandwich and beer ready yet?
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: RoosGirl on May 28, 2018, 05:34:13 pm
Permanently........and do you have my sandwich and beer ready yet?

Sandwich fixins are fermenting in the back yard.  Give me a moment.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: roamer_1 on May 28, 2018, 05:35:11 pm
There's one simple maxim to driving.


Yeah... Drive a big-ass, sky-lifted truck with a loud, ground-pounding motor, and with over sized bumpers made of 1/2" plate. Then drive anywhere the hell you want. They'll move.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 28, 2018, 05:40:29 pm
If you get a nice set of exhaust stacks and plumb it so you can "roll coal," that will get the leftys' attention for miles around.  J/S

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4e/43/bd/4e43bdedb9af2050c2b0fc3b687607cf.jpg)
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: WingNot on May 28, 2018, 05:41:06 pm
Permanently........and do you have my sandwich and beer ready yet?

Have her batter up some fish for fry'n while she is at it

(https://i.imgur.com/IeMxlsX.gif)

Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: roamer_1 on May 28, 2018, 05:57:41 pm
If you get a nice set of exhaust stacks and plumb it so you can "roll coal," that will get the leftys' attention for miles around.  J/S

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4e/43/bd/4e43bdedb9af2050c2b0fc3b687607cf.jpg)

There really isn't anything better than rolling up next to a Prius on a hot summer night and rolling coal right in the driver's side window...

You should try it some time.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 28, 2018, 06:07:57 pm
There really isn't anything better than rolling up next to a Prius on a hot summer night and rolling coal right in the driver's side window...

You should try it some time.

I don't have a diesel.  It wouldn't have the same panache. :shrug:
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 28, 2018, 07:34:45 pm
So, not only does he want to make owning certain guns illegal, he wants to "buy them back" with *MY* money.  LOL  Seriously, he wants to confiscate my property and pay me for it with my own tax money.  bleep him.
Government didn't sell 'em. Government didn't own 'em. How can they "buy them back"??

FMCDH!
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 28, 2018, 07:41:02 pm
There's one simple maxim to driving.

Everyone else on the road is Trying to kill you.

Drive accordingly and you won't need a seat belt.

Never trust stop signs, traffic lights, other cars turn signals, etc.

Everyone else is asleep at their wheel.
Years of motorcycle riding verify that. Since the cell phone (especially 'smart' phones) that all applies no matter what you drive.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: GtHawk on May 28, 2018, 08:55:02 pm
There's one simple maxim to driving.

Everyone else on the road is Trying to kill you.

Drive accordingly and you won't need a seat belt.

Never trust stop signs, traffic lights, other cars turn signals, etc.

Everyone else is asleep at their wheel.
Hmmmm, sounds like you're advocating defensive driving, I don't roll that way. I went to the George S. Patton school of driving....................Offense, Offense, Offense!
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 28, 2018, 11:18:00 pm
Hmmmm, sounds like you're advocating defensive driving, I don't roll that way. I went to the George S. Patton school of driving....................Offense, Offense, Offense!
Sigh.... It may be big, but a tank it isn't. Patton's school of driving didn't work so well in the end.
Title: Re: Confiscate and criminalize: Dem's new gun-grab plan
Post by: txradioguy on May 29, 2018, 02:53:07 pm
Yes, we were arguing about this very issue from this very same moronic tyrant's proposal in Congress with our resident Leftist just this evening.

On top of this you have Wasserman-Schultz introducing a bill to require the same kind of background checks for ammunition as you have to have for a gun.

Gee...what could possibly go wrong with "sensible" gun control laws like that?  **nononono*