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General Category => Economy/Business => Topic started by: mystery-ak on June 17, 2020, 01:56:04 pm
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Aunt Jemima to remove image from packaging and rename brand
Samantha Kubota 2 hrs ago
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The breakfast brand Aunt Jemima is removing its logo and will be renamed, amid public outcry that the branding perpetuated a racist stereotype, its parent company said Wednesday.
Quaker Oats said in a statement that the longtime brand will remove the image of Aunt Jemima from its packaging starting at the end of 2020, and the name change will happen at a later date.
“As we work to make progress toward racial equality through several initiatives, we also must take a hard look at our portfolio of brands and ensure they reflect our values and meet our consumers’ expectations,†said Kristin Kroepfl, vice president and chief marketing officer of Quaker Foods North America.
“We recognize Aunt Jemima’s origins are based on a racial stereotype. While work has been done over the years to update the brand in a manner intended to be appropriate and respectful, we realize those changes are not enough.â€
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Good grief. We have now officially entered the Bizarro World phase of our demise. What's next? Rewriting history books to show whites out picking cotton?
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Mrs. Butterworth was unavailable for comment....
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She was hanging out with Uncle Ben.
Aunt Jemima won't be to happy to find out about that!
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She was hanging out with Uncle Ben.
Aunt Jemima won't be to happy to find out about that!
Little does Uncle Ben know.... that Aunt Jemima's maiden name is Bobbitt. 888mouth
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For the record...
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I don't know what's supposed to be racist about that image, or its use.
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For the record...
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/141167571905-0-1/s-l1000.jpg)
I don't know what's supposed to be racist about that image, or its use.
I suppose it's supposed to be racist for a black woman to have to make pancakes .... supposedly for whitey....?
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I suppose it's supposed to be racist for a black woman to have to make pancakes .... supposedly for whitey....?
Where is THAT in the emblem or the image? By the way, I watch a lot of homesteaders on the yootoob, one of which is a black gal who is partial in this day to wearing a scarf just like that (that style, many different cloros etc), and yes, I have seen her make pancakes... And it is not just her - several others visiting her channel (guests on the show) are dressed the same way.
So it is a cultural thing, it seems, so why would it be racist to prortray it?
Is it so called cultural appropriation? I mean, a big corp trying to appeal to a segment of society using a cultural portrayal? If that is so, Betty Crocker's got a good case too.
I don't get whatever the problem is.
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Little does Uncle Ben know.... that Aunt Jemima's maiden name is Bobbitt. 888mouth
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Where is THAT in the emblem or the image? By the way, I watch a lot of homesteaders on the yootoob, one of which is a black gal who is partial in this day to wearing a scarf just like that (that style, many different cloros etc), and yes, I have seen her make pancakes... And it is not just her - several others visiting her channel (guests on the show) are dressed the same way.
So it is a cultural thing, it seems, so why would it be racist to prortray it?
Is it so called cultural appropriation? I mean, a big corp trying to appeal to a segment of society using a cultural portrayal? If that is so, Betty Crocker's got a good case too.
I don't get whatever the problem is.
It's not. Which is why I said "I suppose". Plus, it's [tic]. You don't get that, do you. :shrug:
Lighten up, Francis. Yes, the world is going to Hell in a Handbasket ...woven by evil wackos. But...
since when has it not? lol
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That's right! You shudder. Because you know....
that deep down....
all women have a little "Bobbitt" in them...if/when necessary....hehehe. :smokin:
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That's right! You shudder. Because you know....
that deep down....
all women have a little "Bobbitt" in them...if/when necessary....hehehe. :smokin:
All women are crazy... The thing is to find one who's crazy is complimentary...
That ain't my kind of crazy right there.
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All women are crazy... The thing is to find one who's crazy is complimentary...
Quotable truth right there. pointing-up
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Plus, it's [tic]. You don't get that, do you. :shrug:
Well don't get '[tic]' for starters... :shrug:
Lighten up, Francis. Yes, the world is going to Hell in a Handbasket ...woven by evil wackos. But...
since when has it not? lol
To abuse Ron White talkin about hurricanes, "It's not THAT the wind is blowin... It's WHAT the wind is blowin..." :cool:
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All women are crazy... The thing is to find one who's crazy is complimentary...
That ain't my kind of crazy right there.
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Quotable truth right there. pointing-up
So is the other part... :laugh:
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All women are crazy... The thing is to find one who's crazy is complimentary...
That ain't my kind of crazy right there.
Woah! Objection. Women are only as crazy as men make them! :rolling:
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As for Aunt Jemima .... what image are they going to replace her with?? BLM logo?
This is so absurd ... I heard on Beck this morning that Whites are supposed to give a Black next to them a $10 bill to show their good faith.
Well....I've just about heard enough of this crap. The blacks want preferential treatment not equality.
Sad. My father raised me not to see color .... that is now becoming increasingly difficult.
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Woah! Objection. Women are only as crazy as men make them! :rolling:
As far as this thread?.....
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Woah! Objection. Women are only as crazy as men make them! :rolling:
I don't know about that. :pondering:
Seems to me they all been crazy since I've known em - Some from childhood.
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S'alright though... I like em crazy... But like I said, it's got to be the right kind of crazy.
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As for Aunt Jemima .... what image are they going to replace her with?? BLM logo?
This is so absurd ... I heard on Beck this morning that Whites are supposed to give a Black next to them a $10 bill to show their good faith.
LOL! Well, that's just a hustle if I've ever heard one. :silly:
Dammit. My BIL (Black in law)is gonna be with his hand out every time I walk by. LOL! (not really... He truly is my brother, and a great man).
Well....I've just about heard enough of this crap. The blacks want preferential treatment not equality.
Sad. My father raised me not to see color .... that is now becoming increasingly difficult.
That's right.
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like they say:
Women are nuts.
Men are bolts, and women are nuts.
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The thing that bothers me is this... Why was a black plump lady picked in the first place... ? We all know why, because most of America understood that some of the best cooking came from black communities. It wasn't a slam on people of color, it was an acknowledgement of their contributions to American life (and a positive one).
Now to be honest a picture of big mixing stainless steel bowls in a huge factory isn't exactly what one wants to picture when picking a product off the grocery shelf. I imagine over the years the product has changed with the times so it now no longer resembles the original recipe (fat free glutton free organic blah blah blah). The last thing to be changed probable was this fictional picture.
Images change over time, perhaps now it is more accurate to show a black lady spitting on a hamburger at McDonalds assembly line. Careful what you wish your image to be changed to.
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I don't know about that. :pondering:
Seems to me they all been crazy since I've known em - Some from childhood.
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S'alright though... I like em crazy... But like I said, it's got to be the right kind of crazy.
Well... I think its safe to say that there are some women that are just plain whacked out ....I've encountered several in my life... it's like they're possessed with evilness....steer clear from that kind of crazy ... men as well. Just sayin'
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The thing that bothers me is this... Why was a black plump lady picked in the first place... ? We all know why, because most of America understood that some of the best cooking came from black communities. It wasn't a slam on people of color, it was an acknowledgement of their contributions to American life (and a positive one).
That's right.. And there's probably a Southern thing in that too - And Lord knows they want black folks to forget their Southern roots.
That same image could just as easy stand for hard work and makin do, and Church on Sunday, and country neighborliness, and all the rest of it that is in that heritage, white or black. That's exactly why they have made the Rebel Flag into a symbol of racism too, I think.
I sure never tied any racism to Aunt Jamima... Never took it that way. I always liked her happy77
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Well... I think its safe to say that there are some women that are just plain whacked out ....I've encountered several in my life... it's like they're possessed with evilness....steer clear from that kind of crazy ... men as well. Just sayin'
That's right enough... But I appreciate the crazy in a woman... Her getting a wild hair always got me outta my ruts... Behind every good man there's a good woman... pushin and pokin and kickin... :silly:
And there;s more truth in that than I let on. happy77
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like they say:
Women are nuts.
Men are bolts, and women are nuts.
:cool:
888mouth
(I get credit for not goin there)
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The thing that bothers me is this... Why was a black plump lady picked in the first place... ? We all know why, because most of America understood that some of the best cooking came from black communities. It wasn't a slam on people of color, it was an acknowledgement of their contributions to American life (and a positive one).
Agreed. I posted this comment on Twitter: Silly me. I thought the Aunt Jemima, the Land o' Lakes native woman and Uncle Ben characters were homages to (and not racist caricatures of) the people and cultures they represented.
So now what? We'll eliminate racism by using only white characters as the faces of food companies?
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Agreed. I posted this comment on Twitter: So now what? We'll eliminate racism by using only white characters as the faces of food companies?
LOL! I can't wait to see what they do to the baking conglomerate, Bimbo Bakeries! :rolling:
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The thing that bothers me is this... Why was a black plump lady picked in the first place... ? We all know why, because most of America understood that some of the best cooking came from black communities. It wasn't a slam on people of color, it was an acknowledgement of their contributions to American life (and a positive one).
Now to be honest a picture of big mixing stainless steel bowls in a huge factory isn't exactly what one wants to picture when picking a product off the grocery shelf. I imagine over the years the product has changed with the times so it now no longer resembles the original recipe (fat free glutton free organic blah blah blah). The last thing to be changed probable was this fictional picture.
Images change over time, perhaps now it is more accurate to show a black lady spitting on a hamburger at McDonalds assembly line. Careful what you wish your image to be changed to.
She (Aunt Jemima) was a real person and a former slave. No stereo typing involved.
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Quaker Oats Replaces Historically Racist Aunt Jemima Mascot With Black Female Lawyer Who Enjoys Pancakes Sometimes
CHICAGO—In response to nationwide protests regarding police brutality and racial discrimination, food conglomerate Quaker Oats announced Friday that after 130 years, it would replace its historically racist Aunt Jemima mascot with a black female lawyer who enjoys pancakes from time to time.
“The time has come to replace Jemima, a problematic and stereotypical character that originated in minstrel shows, with Sheila, the public defender of cultivated tastes who eats pancakes on occasion, in addition to a variety of other foods,†said Quaker spokesperson Aaron Parshley, who explained that the former Aunt Jemima brand of syrups and pancake mixes would now bear a logo depicting an African American woman who wears a suit, carries a briefcase, and isn’t an aunt per se, though she is godmother to the child of a dear friend she met as an undergraduate at Dartmouth College. ...
THE ONION (https://www.theonion.com/quaker-oats-replaces-historically-racist-aunt-jemima-ma-1844015205?utm_campaign=TheOnion&utm_content=1591985821&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=twitter), needless to say! :laugh:
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Agreed. I posted this comment on Twitter:
So now what? We'll eliminate racism by using only white characters as the faces of food companies?
Talking about cultural appropriation and everybody staying out of everybody else's cultural business... Black folks are going to have a very hard time getting rid of their 'white culture' appropriations...
How do folks even think that way?
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I'm available for all thy non-racist product endorsements. Call me.
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@corbe , I see you’re very visually oriented (as am I)...and I for one am glad for it. Where would the guys and gals here be without all the eye bleach and giggles you pour on these pages? Keep ‘em coming!...no pun intended :bolt:
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Where is THAT in the emblem or the image? By the way, I watch a lot of homesteaders on the yootoob, one of which is a black gal who is partial in this day to wearing a scarf just like that (that style, many different cloros etc), and yes, I have seen her make pancakes... And it is not just her - several others visiting her channel (guests on the show) are dressed the same way.
So it is a cultural thing, it seems, so why would it be racist to prortray it?
Is it so called cultural appropriation? I mean, a big corp trying to appeal to a segment of society using a cultural portrayal? If that is so, Betty Crocker's got a good case too.
I don't get whatever the problem is.
Come on, roamer you know the problem. It’s about American Marxism and fascists, conformity and control, utopian dreams. It’s what’s referred to as “wokeâ€â€”an updated euphemism from Mao’s little red book meaning dogmatic compliance with orthodoxy.
Better get your mind right or they’ll mark you for generous, regularly scheduled beatings until you see the light. No diversity, no individuality will be tolerated, just sameness.
Put your seat in an upright and locked position. We’re in for a bumpy ride before the crash.
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Woah! Objection. Women are only as crazy as men make them! :rolling:
EXACTLY!!!
But noooo.... to hear men tell it... they're perfect (and perfect angels). Yeah...
riiiight!
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As for Aunt Jemima .... what image are they going to replace her with?? BLM logo?
This is so absurd ... I heard on Beck this morning that Whites are supposed to give a Black next to them a $10 bill to show their good faith.
Well....I've just about heard enough of this crap. The blacks want preferential treatment not equality.
Sad. My father raised me not to see color .... that is now becoming increasingly difficult.
And don't think that that "end result" of all of this orchestrated (by deep state leftists) racism-based chaos isn't 100% deliberate and intentional.
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As for Aunt Jemima .... what image are they going to replace her with?? BLM logo?
This is so absurd ... I heard on Beck this morning that Whites are supposed to give a Black next to them a $10 bill to show their good faith.
Well....I've just about heard enough of this crap. The blacks want preferential treatment not equality.
Sad. My father raised me not to see color .... that is now becoming increasingly difficult.
It’s dangerous for you to think like that. Being indifferent to someone’s melanin is today’s new mark of being racist.
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That's right.. And there's probably a Southern thing in that too - And Lord knows they want black folks to forget their Southern roots.
That same image could just as easy stand for hard work and makin do, and Church on Sunday, and country neighborliness, and all the rest of it that is in that heritage, white or black. That's exactly why they have made the Rebel Flag into a symbol of racism too, I think.
I sure never tied any racism to Aunt Jamima... Never took it that way. I always liked her happy77
To me... that Aunt Jemima picture was a symbol of nurturing, home, family and yeah, even comfort food. Bad parents rarely, if ever, bother to make pancakes for their kids, after all. It was a symbol of wholesomeness, also. But hey.... in this current environment of wacko, run amuck leftists protesting.... symbols of wholesomeness are the very LAST thing they want to see .... or to survive.
Rush told the story behind the real Aunt Jemima (Nancy Green) and what Quaker Oats is doing, by caving to the radical racist left, is a huge disservice to her and to her descendents.
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888mouth
(I get credit for not goin there)
No ya don't. Cause we know....
you were thinkin it! But, hey....
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Come on, roamer you know the problem. It’s about American Marxism and fascists, conformity and control, utopian dreams. It’s what’s referred to as “wokeâ€â€”an updated euphemism from Mao’s little red book meaning dogmatic compliance with orthodoxy.
Better get your mind right or they’ll mark you for generous, regularly scheduled beatings until you see the light. No diversity, no individuality will be tolerated, just sameness.
Put your seat in an upright and locked position. We’re in for a bumpy ride before the crash.
LOL! Yeah I get all that @aligncare ... How it intersects supposed racism in an image of a black woman is what makes no sense... I won't ever get it I suppose, after all, I am a white racist ignorant redneck, right?
I think I'll go buy another rebel flag sticker for my truck and quit worrying about it... Maybe a blue-line flag for the other side... And maybe top that off with some of those chrome mudflap gals just to piss off the feminists... But not bullnuts for the trailer hitch... There's a line somewhere...
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EXACTLY!!!
But noooo.... to hear men tell it... they're perfect (and perfect angels). Yeah...
riiiight!
Wait, what? No... something more like this (pay attention, it's educational):
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUk0JTGI93E#)
We ain't wrong, we ain't sorry, and it's probably gonna happen again.
:tongue2: :beer: :shrug: :whistle:
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I'm available for all thy non-racist product endorsements. Call me.
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To me... that Aunt Jemima picture was a symbol of nurturing, home, family and yeah, even comfort food. Bad parents rarely, if ever, bother to make pancakes for their kids, after all. It was a symbol of wholesomeness, also. But hey.... in this current environment of wacko, run amuck leftists protesting.... symbols of wholesomeness are the very LAST thing they want to see .... or to survive.
Rush told the story behind the real Aunt Jemima (Nancy Green) and what Quaker Oats is doing, by caving to the radical racist left, is a huge disservice to her and to her descendents.
Yeah something like that.. I can see where folks might claim it to be a caricature, but what ain't a caricature in advertising? I mean, nobody's getting bent out of shape about Cap'n Crunch, right?
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Wait, what? No... something more like this (pay attention, it's educational):
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUk0JTGI93E#)
We ain't wrong, we ain't sorry, and it's probably gonna happen again.
:tongue2: :beer: :shrug: :whistle:
Oh I disagree. :tongue2: :smokin:
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Yeah something like that.. I can see where folks might claim it to be a caricature, but what ain't a caricature in advertising? I mean, nobody's getting bent out of shape about Cap'n Crunch, right?
And just when we thought that the "Era of the perpetually offended about everything" was almost over....they double down on their leftist stupidity. **nononono*
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No ya don't. Cause we know....
you were thinkin it! But, hey....
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And just when we thought that the "Era of the perpetually offended about everything" was almost over....they double down on their leftist stupidity. **nononono*
That's right.
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That's right.
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LOL! Yeah I get all that @aligncare ... How it intersects supposed racism in an image of a black woman is what makes no sense... I won't ever get it I suppose, after all, I am a white racist ignorant redneck, right?
I think I'll go buy another rebel flag sticker for my truck and quit worrying about it... Maybe a blue-line flag for the other side... And maybe top that off with some of those chrome mudflap gals just to piss off the feminists... But not bullnuts for the trailer hitch... There's a line somewhere...
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If I did my car that way in this Brooklyn neighborhood I’m pretty sure it’d be up in flames by morning. You’re blessed to be where you are.
Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities:
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way – in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.
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I loved her.
No racism intended.
I loved her.
All things die.
how I think..pukkkkkkkkkkk
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Aunt Jemima I grew up with bears a striking resemblance to the lady who won the Oscar for Best Supporting Actress in the recently censored and banned Gone with the Wind.
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Aunt Jemima I grew up with bears a striking resemblance to the lady who won the Oscar for Best Supporting Actress in the recently censored and banned Gone with the Wind.
It's all about erasing and eliminating anything and everything that has to do with American, as founded, tradition. Where's the pushback? Are we going to just sit back and allow these anti-American cretins to erase us from US history?
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She (Aunt Jemima) was a real person and a former slave. No stereo typing involved.
Can you link me to it, wiki says it was stereotyping. Someone suggested Rush said it was a real person too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aunt_Jemima#Character
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If I did my car that way in this Brooklyn neighborhood I’m pretty sure it’d be up in flames by morning. You’re blessed to be where you are.
... Which is why (no offense meant) you will never find my redneck ass in Brooklyn. You very will likely never find me out of these Rockies anymore... But with all certainty, not east of Michigan and North of the Mason Dixon line... :shrug: :whistle:
Funny though - I thought you were in CA...
**Edit to add: And Dickens is one of the very best, btw... :beer:
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It's all about erasing and eliminating anything and everything that has to do with American, as founded, tradition. Where's the pushback? Are we going to just sit back and allow these anti-American cretins to erase us from US history?
This particular shoe drop was expected after GWTW was taken off HBO Max. :shrug:
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... Which is why (no offense meant) you will never find my redneck ass in Brooklyn. You very will likely never find me out of these Rockies anymore... But with all certainty, not east of Michigan and North of the Mason Dixon line... :shrug: :whistle:
Funny though - I thought you were in CA...
**Edit to add: And Dickens is one of the very best, btw... :beer:
You know, I had it like you for many years in Northern California; log home on a mountaintop, 180 degree views of Mt. Shasta to the left, Mt. Lassen on the right, stream fishing before work, fishing the Sacramento River during lunch break. But, life changes things whether you’re ready for it or not.
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You know, I had it like you for many years in Northern California; log home on a mountaintop, 180 degree views of Mt. Shasta to the left, Mt. Lassen on the right, stream fishing before work, fishing the Sacramento River during lunch break. But, life changes things whether you’re ready for it or not.
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That's kinda what I recall... A gentleman's ranch... horses for your wife... something like that, right? Might be mixing that up with someone else.
Whether or not, sorry for you. Can't be very good living there once you've ever lived with clear water in piney woods under a wide sky... I don't know how you do it. And I hope you can get back to it...
I am fixin to get back to fishin this year... Haven't gone yet. Been rigging up for car camping and overland... Not my usual style. But it's coming... About two weeks out from hitting Chain of Lakes and some 5 lb rainbows. And another planned for way up Fisher River (cutthroat) right after that...
While I am there, I promise I will sit a spell with an alcohol stove and a tin camp cup full of coffee and send a toast your way.
happy77
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I saw they Will also be changing Uncle Ben’s.
https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/06/17/virginia-based-mars-says-its-planning-to-evolve-uncle-bens-rice-hours-after-aunt-jemima-brand-retired/
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Aunt Jemima I grew up with bears a striking resemblance to the lady who won the Oscar for Best Supporting Actress in the recently censored and banned Gone with the Wind.
Hattie McDaniel? I believe that was her name.
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Hattie McDaniel? I believe that was her name.
Yes. Mammy. She was probably the only slave on the plantation who had permission to spank Scarlett when she was a pup.
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Can you link me to it, wiki says it was stereotyping. Someone suggested Rush said it was a real person too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aunt_Jemima#Character
Your wish is my command @Sighlass
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Green
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Let's suppose, for the sake of argument that Quaker was replace this woman:
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With this one:
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... and renamed the product to "Sister Ilhan's Pancakes".
Do you think that this would satisfy "the complainers"....?
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Let's suppose, for the sake of argument that Quaker was replace this woman
With this one:
(https://www.lcv.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Omar-Ilhan.png)
... and renamed the product to "Sister Ilhan's Pancakes".
Do you think that this would satisfy "the complainers"....?
My turn to correct: "Sister-Wife Ilhan's Pancakes".
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@Fishrrman
LOL! Perfect! Throw them all into a dissonant tizzy!
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Your Brother would love these pancakes.
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Your wish is my command @Sighlass
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Green
@Bigun Thank You for digging that up for me.
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Aunt Jemima
Uncle Been
Mrs Butterworth
Mrs Doubtfire
Sounds like some great new names for military bases.
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THE ONION (https://www.theonion.com/quaker-oats-replaces-historically-racist-aunt-jemima-ma-1844015205?utm_campaign=TheOnion&utm_content=1591985821&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=twitter), needless to say! :laugh:
These days, it does need to be said.
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Woah! Objection. Women are only as crazy as men make them! :rolling:
I think there should be a t-shirt made. :thumbsup:
Besides all that, I sure can't answer for you, but I'm not crazy...I'm gifted. :laugh:
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:terror:
Yeah, never mind the pigs in a blanket, thanks...
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That's right.. And there's probably a Southern thing in that too - And Lord knows they want black folks to forget their Southern roots.
That same image could just as easy stand for hard work and makin do, and Church on Sunday, and country neighborliness, and all the rest of it that is in that heritage, white or black. That's exactly why they have made the Rebel Flag into a symbol of racism too, I think.
I sure never tied any racism to Aunt Jamima... Never took it that way. I always liked her happy77
"Aunt" and "Uncle" were terms of respect and endearment used toward black people by those children who were highly unlikely to be related to them, at least that's the way it was where and when I grew up. Hence: "Aunt" Jemima and "Uncle" Ben, both well loved and respected.
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EXACTLY!!!
But noooo.... to hear men tell it... they're perfect (and perfect angels). Yeah...
riiiight!
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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@Bigun Thank You for digging that up for me.
No problem @Sighlass I wouldn't do it for just anyone! wink777
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Yeah something like that.. I can see where folks might claim it to be a caricature, but what ain't a caricature in advertising? I mean, nobody's getting bent out of shape about Cap'n Crunch, right?
Well, are they going to get rid of "Cracker" Jack, too?
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One would have thought that having a picture of a smiling and happy black woman on a package would have turned any real racists away.
But that was before the Woke Cult bullied people into assuming that they are all guilty and irredeemable, unless they apologize for being the secret racists that they know in their hearts they never have been.
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"Aunt" and "Uncle" were terms of respect and endearment used toward black people by those children who were highly unlikely to be related to them, at least that's the way it was where and when I grew up. Hence: "Aunt" Jemima and "Uncle" Ben, both well loved and respected.
Too wholesome. Must be done away with.
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Well...all I've got to say is "Aunt Jemima Pancakes without her syrup, is like the spring without the fall.....there's only one thing worse in this universe and that's no Aunt Jemima's at all.....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qyzH0SCmzI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qyzH0SCmzI#)
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If I did my car that way in this Brooklyn neighborhood I’m pretty sure it’d be up in flames by morning. You’re blessed to be where you are.
Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities:
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way – in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.
I worked for 6 years right outside NYC during the 80s and drove in from Connecticut every day with a red Toyota pickup sporting a rebel flag as my front license plate. Sometimes had to drive into the city, all the way to JFK.
Never had one problem ever with anybody over it through the Bronx.
Now that flag sits proudly in Texas, the same state I graduated high school from whose mascot was the Rebels, and we flew a flag at every game.
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https://www.kcet.org/food-living/the-troubling-history-of-sambos-pancake-house (https://www.kcet.org/food-living/the-troubling-history-of-sambos-pancake-house)
Sambo's iconic restaurant in Santa Barbara.
Amazing location
I predict a day may come, when more reasonable people regret destroying our history.
I lived and traveled in Europe, where therehave been plenty of bad times and deeds.
Fortunately it seems most of the time, they kept the history iintact.
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Talking about tearing down monuments, here's one not far from me that must be destroyed as well.
Too bad its dedicated to a caring and happy women. We just don't want those type of people to be remembered.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lillian_Richard_Historical_Marker.png)
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Good grief. We have now officially entered the Bizarro World phase of our demise. What's next? Rewriting history books to show whites out picking cotton?
@XenaLee
I dunno,but what I do know is I don't want to hear black celebs bitching because they can't get any endorsement contracts months from now.
I don't know about you,but *I* plan on sending letters of protest to any corporation that uses blacks to sell their products. It's just plain racist!
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Mrs. Butterworth was unavailable for comment....
@Cyber Liberty
Not unusual. I understand she gets invited to a lot of adult parties.
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For the record...
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I don't know what's supposed to be racist about that image, or its use.
@roamer_1
When you are a professional vic-tum,eberthang bees racist!
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Where is THAT in the emblem or the image? By the way, I watch a lot of homesteaders on the yootoob, one of which is a black gal who is partial in this day to wearing a scarf just like that (that style, many different cloros etc), and yes, I have seen her make pancakes... And it is not just her - several others visiting her channel (guests on the show) are dressed the same way.
So it is a cultural thing, it seems, so why would it be racist to prortray it?
Is it so called cultural appropriation? I mean, a big corp trying to appeal to a segment of society using a cultural portrayal? If that is so, Betty Crocker's got a good case too.
I don't get whatever the problem is.
@roamer_1
LOTS of women,AND men of all ethnicities wear a scarf over their heads when they are cooking over uncovered pots in order to keep hair out of the pot.
Not that reality has anything to do with this,of course.
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@Cyber Liberty
Al Bundy was a wise man.
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They got Mrs. Butterworth too!
Mrs. Butterworth’s to Undergo ‘Complete Brand and Packaging Review’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/17/mrs-butterworths-to-undergo-complete-brand-and-packaging-review/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/17/mrs-butterworths-to-undergo-complete-brand-and-packaging-review/)
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What am I missing? Mrs. Butterworth is a white woman. :shrug:
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I was thinking of another that needs to go, oops he died a few days ago.
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What am I missing? Mrs. Butterworth is a white woman. :shrug:
It is one of those race to the outhouse by Willy Makeit illustrated by Betty Wont things.
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I was thinking of another that needs to go, oops he died a few days ago.
@corbe
Really? I am sorry to hear that. He was a good actor,and too young to die.
What did he die from?
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The LEFT are the book burners.
And they are doing it again.
Anything they disagree with has to be destroyed. Truth is irrelevant.
That is the LEFT. It is what the LEFT has always done.
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Can you link me to it, wiki says it was stereotyping.
Another take on the Nancy Green story:
https://aaregistry.org/story/nancy-green-the-original-aunt-jemima/
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I was thinking of another that needs to go, oops he died a few days ago.
@corbe @sneakypete
According to Wikipedia, he’s alive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Haysbert (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Haysbert)
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The LEFT are the book burners.
And they are doing it again.
Anything they disagree with has to be destroyed. Truth is irrelevant.
That is the LEFT. It is what the LEFT has always done.
That’s right. The democrats should no longer be allowed to tear down unopposed America’s history and unity as free Americans.
Think of the problem as similar to the “broken window†theory used by Giuliani to dramatically reduce crime in New York City. You address the small crimes, the broken windows, to prevent criminals from escalating to the bigger more serious crimes.
Right now Americans are looking away from the little things the Left has done. Tearing down American cultural icons, the statues, the confederate flag, historical documents, our language. But that has only escalated; now they’re after our institutions, policing, corrections, education, the family.
Stop it now, or lose it all.
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The LEFT are the book burners.
And they are doing it again.
Anything they disagree with has to be destroyed. Truth is irrelevant.
That is the LEFT. It is what the LEFT has always done.
@DB
True. Every word of it. To survive and thrive,THEIR version of the "truth" MUST be the only one heard.
Not to worry,black people. Once they gain control they will give you the very best priority seats on the trains going to the forced labor camps.
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@corbe @sneakypete
According to Wikipedia, he’s alive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Haysbert (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Haysbert)
@Gefn
Thanks! I did a web search on him,and all I discovered is he is about 20 years older than I thought he was.
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That’s right. The democrats should no longer be allowed to tear down unopposed America’s history and unity as free Americans.
Think of the problem as similar to the “broken window†theory used by Giuliani to dramatically reduce crime in New York City. You address the small crimes, the broken windows, to prevent criminals from escalating to the bigger more serious crimes.
Right now Americans are looking away from the little things the Left has done. Tearing down American cultural icons, the statues, the confederate flag, historical documents, our language. But that has only escalated; now they’re after our institutions, policing, corrections, education, the family.
Stop it now, or lose it all.
@aligncare
Don't worry about blacks. The left will "take care" of them once they seize control. As I wrote on another post,the blacks will be given priority seating on the trains going to the labor camps.
Unless they play music the left finds entertaining,that is. Those blacks will be kept as domestic pets.
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That’s right. The democrats should no longer be allowed to tear down unopposed America’s history and unity as free Americans.
Think of the problem as similar to the “broken window†theory used by Giuliani to dramatically reduce crime in New York City. You address the small crimes, the broken windows, to prevent criminals from escalating to the bigger more serious crimes.
Right now Americans are looking away from the little things the Left has done. Tearing down American cultural icons, the statues, the confederate flag, historical documents, our language. But that has only escalated; now they’re after our institutions, policing, corrections, education, the family.
Stop it now, or lose it all.
Americans are a funny lot. You, whoever 'you' are, are free to rant and destroy as long as it isn't my heritage, my stuff, my yard, my windows. And half the sheep out there who don't get that their stuff is next will take a knee (or whatever the latest signal of solidarity is), to preserve their stuff (for now).
If we are going to have law and order, let's have law and order.
No one gets to loot and burn. I think the country could live with that rule.
Everyone gets to have their culture at least acknowledged.
Quit tearing down history.
The only reason I see is to mask how far you have come to make that last little bit extra seem like a whole lot more.
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As for Aunt Jemima .... what image are they going to replace her with?? BLM logo?
This is so absurd ... I heard on Beck this morning that Whites are supposed to give a Black next to them a $10 bill to show their good faith.
Well....I've just about heard enough of this crap. The blacks want preferential treatment not equality.
Sad. My father raised me not to see color .... that is now becoming increasingly difficult.
I was taught the same. I went through the drive through at Chick-Fila and this young cute African-American girl waited on me. Normally I would have never thought a thing, but I kept thinking I wonder how all of these protests are affecting her and her opinion of ME. I was taught like you to never see skin color, like you say....it's becoming increasingly difficult.
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Again, I fell victim to an Internet Hoax @sneakypete @Gefn
“Dennis Haysbert dead 2020†: Actor killed by internet death hoax
By Jessica Simpson
Washington
Last updated on June 18, 2020
News of actor Dennis Haysbert’s death spread quickly earlier this week causing concern among fans across the world. However the June 2020 report has now been confirmed as a complete hoax and just the latest in a string of fake celebrity death reports.
Thankfully, the actor best known for his role on the television series 24 is alive and well.
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https://en.mediamass.net/people/dennis-haysbert/deathhoax.html (https://en.mediamass.net/people/dennis-haysbert/deathhoax.html)
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Again, I fell victim to an Internet Hoax @sneakypete @Gefn
“Dennis Haysbert dead 2020†: Actor killed by internet death hoax
By Jessica Simpson
Washington
Last updated on June 18, 2020
News of actor Dennis Haysbert’s death spread quickly earlier this week causing concern among fans across the world. However the June 2020 report has now been confirmed as a complete hoax and just the latest in a string of fake celebrity death reports.
Thankfully, the actor best known for his role on the television series 24 is alive and well.
<..snip..>
https://en.mediamass.net/people/dennis-haysbert/deathhoax.html (https://en.mediamass.net/people/dennis-haysbert/deathhoax.html)
Jessica Simpson? No wonder it caught your attention. Wowza.
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aligncare wrote:
"Stop it now, or lose it all..."
How would you propose to "stop it", to "stop" THEM...?
A good question for anyone reading this.
(asking for a friend, of course...)
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aligncare wrote:
"Stop it now, or lose it all..."
How would you propose to "stop it", to "stop" THEM...?
A good question for anyone reading this.
(asking for a friend, of course...)
@Fishrrman
I think I know what your answer would be. And while I consider you a friend and ally, your answer is not workable.
My answer to stop them comes from guys like this in 2 short minutes:
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tZkBhB07Cc#)
Damani Felder, The Right Brothers
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My answer to stop them comes from guys like this in 2 short minutes:
You are brilliantly correct in this. What confounds enchantment is revelation. What soothes ignorance is reason. Loudly proclaiming the Man Behind the Curtain is the answer... To be heard is the problem.
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Cream of Wheat is reviewing its black mascot after Aunt Jemima and others acknowledged their racist roots
(https://external-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQC-oh3FsGSLQRA5&w=540&h=282&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.cnn.com%2Fcnnnext%2Fdam%2Fassets%2F200618113421-03-cream-of-wheat-packaging-super-tease.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&fallback=news_d_placeholder_publisher&_nc_hash=AQDVAfysKTuWnnJ6)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/18/business/cream-of-wheat-racist-brands/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1kQGAgY8zZe-OzmLdfm-ybQCRk6iH5hXlgM_EdxpSz5uEwSPU8AKTW23Q (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/18/business/cream-of-wheat-racist-brands/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1kQGAgY8zZe-OzmLdfm-ybQCRk6iH5hXlgM_EdxpSz5uEwSPU8AKTW23Q)
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I was taught the same. I went through the drive through at Chick-Fila and this young cute African-American girl waited on me. Normally I would have never thought a thing, but I kept thinking I wonder how all of these protests are affecting her and her opinion of ME. I was taught like you to never see skin color, like you say....it's becoming increasingly difficult.
It will further degrade.
CHOP had declared it wants full segregation so only black doctors and nurses will attend to black patients.
Watch for the upcoming episodes of whites refusing service from blacks and vice versa. If distrust between the races becomes worse, who will not worry about being poisoned like the cops were at Shake Shack?
The closest I myself ever came to this is right after 9/11 I became skeptical of a Muslim doctor giving me any treatments.
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Kellogg's denies racism in Coco Pops mascot
(https://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/cocopops_06182020_kelloggs.jpg?itok=phoJierb)
more
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/503381-kelloggs-denies-racism-in-coco-pops-mascot
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You are brilliantly correct in this. What confounds enchantment is revelation. What soothes ignorance is reason. Loudly proclaiming the Man Behind the Curtain is the answer... To be heard is the problem.
Some are listening. First comment out of the box:
ZZRider
1 day ago
Wow Damani, you are a relentless blowtorch of truth and common sense! Love your material, and I have mad respect for you having the nads to seriously tell a whole lot of people who sorely need to be told. [end]
More importantly, blacks are beginning to listen. And that listening will only be enhanced when the voices speaking are black men and women who are unafraid that they will be attacked as Uncle Toms.
We’ve got to help blacks, not with welfare, special treatment or government programs—but by restoring black culture to its pre-Great Society status as intact families with strong fathers and mothers, as burgeoning entrepreneurs, as faith and community leaders who loved freedom and loved America.
Gang bangers and Colin Kaepernick need not apply.
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As long as they don't touch the cream of wheat guy i'm fine...
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As long as they don't touch the cream of wheat guy i'm fine...
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I'm think of creating a running clownworld thread... do you think it's a good idea?
Just to document the PC clownworld we're living in.
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Some are listening. First comment out of the box:
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Oh I know, and I wholly agree. God bless those courageous enough to stand in the breaches. BLEXIT is a real thing. Though the cure is not, and should not be defined as politic. The enchantment - And I am using that word with specificity - The enchantment has been being uttered for many decades, and it is oh so very hard for folks to step out of normalcy bias and see truth.
That first comment out of the box speaks the truth:
More importantly, blacks are beginning to listen. And that listening will only be enhanced when the voices speaking are black men and women who are unafraid that they will be attacked as Uncle Toms.
We’ve got to help blacks, not with welfare, special treatment or government programs—but by restoring black culture to its pre-Great Society status as intact families with strong fathers and mothers, as burgeoning entrepreneurs, as faith and community leaders who loved freedom and loved America.
THAT is absolutely correct (with the exception of the omission 'loving God')... What has sustained blacks outside of the inner cities are the same things that sustain us all. It is those blacks - those in reality, in suburbs and small towns, that have to speak the words that deny the way of the ghetto, that speak against the enchantment, and reassert the truth. And I would gladly help that in any way I can.
I may have mentioned in your hearing that I have of late been absorbed into yootoob tunneling for black folks reactions to country music... It is absolutely fascinating, and remarkable in it's healing. Not only the awakening of these young folks to another way, but to a way that they have been taught their whole lives was a way that hated them and was to be reviled... Only to find echoes of their grandparents in that music. And the reactions to their reactions in the commentary prove against the lies they have been taught. It is really an astonishment, and points more toward the answer, I think, than politics ever will.
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8888crybaby OFFS
I'm think of creating a running clownworld thread... do you think it's a good idea?
Just to document the PC clownworld we're living in.
Sure..try it out...
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8888crybaby OFFS
I'm think of creating a running clownworld thread... do you think it's a good idea?
Just to document the PC clownworld we're living in.
Make it a good one! :2popcorn:
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Cream of Wheat is reviewing its black mascot after Aunt Jemima and others acknowledged their racist roots
(https://external-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQC-oh3FsGSLQRA5&w=540&h=282&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.cnn.com%2Fcnnnext%2Fdam%2Fassets%2F200618113421-03-cream-of-wheat-packaging-super-tease.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&fallback=news_d_placeholder_publisher&_nc_hash=AQDVAfysKTuWnnJ6)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/18/business/cream-of-wheat-racist-brands/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1kQGAgY8zZe-OzmLdfm-ybQCRk6iH5hXlgM_EdxpSz5uEwSPU8AKTW23Q (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/18/business/cream-of-wheat-racist-brands/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1kQGAgY8zZe-OzmLdfm-ybQCRk6iH5hXlgM_EdxpSz5uEwSPU8AKTW23Q)
Racist roots? Racist brands? I don’t know how to respond to this.
Okay. Here’s one thing. When I was in college I took a music appreciation class. The prof said one day he struggled with the idea of presenting the music of Wagner because it was racist (seemed Hitler loved the music of Wagner) then he preceded to explain why he would not play Wagner in class. Instead he gave it as a home assignment.
Well at the time I was eagerly exploring all periods of classical music. But when I got to playing Wagner I remember feeling ill at ease, I resisted the attempt to enjoy the music because of what the professor said. Years later I heard Lohengrin overture and was able to put the idiot professors tainting of Wagner aside and enjoyed Wagner anyway.
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Racist roots? Racist brands? I don’t know how to respond to this.
Okay. Here’s one thing. When I was in college I took a music appreciation class. The prof said one day he struggled with the idea of presenting the music of Wagner because it was racist (seemed Hitler loved the music of Wagner) then he preceded to explain why he would not play Wagner in class. Instead he gave it as a home assignment.
Well at the time I was eagerly exploring all periods of classical music. But when I got to playing Wagner I remember feeling ill at ease, I resisted the attempt to enjoy the music because of what the professor said. Years later I heard Lohengrin overture and was able to put the idiot professors tainting of Wagner aside and enjoyed Wagner anyway.
The Music teacher was practicing Guilt by Association: Hitler liked Wagner, therefore Wagner was evil.
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IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
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It will further degrade.
CHOP had declared it wants full segregation so only black doctors and nurses will attend to black patients.
Watch for the upcoming episodes of whites refusing service from blacks and vice versa. If distrust between the races becomes worse, who will not worry about being poisoned like the cops were at Shake Shack?
@IsailedawayfromFR
Who will benefit from this? It won't be thee or me.
Nor will it be the blacks,who will die like flies in the streets if they ever get the revolution they have been taught to believe they want,and the white man ever decides to start fighting back.
It will be a small group of people who we vaguely know as "international bankers". The people who are behind people like George Soros and giving him his marching orders,and pushing for a fascist world where THEY are the undisputed Masters of the Universe.
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aligncare wrote:
"I think I know what your answer would be. And while I consider you a friend and ally, your answer is not workable."
In these times and the times that are to come, "answers" previously considered to be "unworkable" are going to have to be reconsidered and re-evaluated, because there will suddenly be no choice NOT to do so...
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Some are listening. First comment out of the box:
ZZRider
1 day ago
Wow Damani, you are a relentless blowtorch of truth and common sense! Love your material, and I have mad respect for you having the nads to seriously tell a whole lot of people who sorely need to be told. [end]
More importantly, blacks are beginning to listen. And that listening will only be enhanced when the voices speaking are black men and women who are unafraid that they will be attacked as Uncle Toms.
We’ve got to help blacks, not with welfare, special treatment or government programs—but by restoring black culture to its pre-Great Society status as intact families with strong fathers and mothers, as burgeoning entrepreneurs, as faith and community leaders who loved freedom and loved America.
Gang bangers and Colin Kaepernick need not apply.
:yowsa:
Before all that crap in the 60s, this is the pattern of success that blacks were trying to follow in Southern Maryland. My friends related as much to me, and added in a hitch in the military to qualify for the GI Bill so they could go to college.
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@IsailedawayfromFR
Who will benefit from this? It won't be thee or me.
Nor will it be the blacks,who will die like flies in the streets if they ever get the revolution they have been taught to believe they want,and the white man ever decides to start fighting back.
It will be a small group of people who we vaguely know as "international bankers". The people who are behind people like George Soros and giving him his marching orders,and pushing for a fascist world where THEY are the undisputed Masters of the Universe.
The question is who wants to develop what in the six block area in Seattle that is getting "occupied"?
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The question is who wants to develop what in the six block area in Seattle that is getting "occupied"?
Bill Gates. :smokin:
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Bill Gates. :smokin:
The irony of this is, one of the grievances of these children of the corn is the gentrification of the city. :silly:
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(https://i.redd.it/oryq5zuore401.png)
I'm very triggered by this photo
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....shhh....they'll be coming for Cream of Wheat next. I mean come on, how racist can you get?
(https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_2cb2b66c-343f-4447-a158-69830a4a3741?wid=488&hei=488&fmt=pjpeg)
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....shhh....they'll be coming for Cream of Wheat next. I mean come on, how racist can you get?
(https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_2cb2b66c-343f-4447-a158-69830a4a3741?wid=488&hei=488&fmt=pjpeg)
Sure looks like a Black Man with a funny hat and tie handing me a piping hot bowl of Antifa, I'll never eat it again. :smokin:
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....shhh....they'll be coming for Cream of Wheat next. I mean come on, how racist can you get?
(https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_2cb2b66c-343f-4447-a158-69830a4a3741?wid=488&hei=488&fmt=pjpeg)
There's a simple answer for that: simply have the chef convert to Islam:
Kareem of Wheat. Problem solved.
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There's a simple answer for that: simply have the chef convert to Islam:
Kareem of Wheat. Problem solved.
:rolling:
Brilliant. Well played.
:cool:
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....shhh....they'll be coming for Cream of Wheat next. I mean come on, how racist can you get?
(https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_2cb2b66c-343f-4447-a158-69830a4a3741?wid=488&hei=488&fmt=pjpeg)
They are on it. Scroll up. 9999hair out0000
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,405599.msg2232857.html#msg2232857 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,405599.msg2232857.html#msg2232857)
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So is it racist to have any kind of blacks as mascots? Won't that hurt certain black commercials actors and such?
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So is it racist to have any kind of blacks as mascots? Won't that hurt certain black commercials actors and such?
Probably. This stamping out of black icons is probably the silliest aspect of Only Black Lives Matter.
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Kellogg's denies racism in Coco Pops mascot
(https://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/cocopops_06182020_kelloggs.jpg?itok=phoJierb)
more
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/503381-kelloggs-denies-racism-in-coco-pops-mascot (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/503381-kelloggs-denies-racism-in-coco-pops-mascot)
Kellogg’s refuses to bow, denies racism in Coco Pops mascot
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/06/18/kelloggs-refuses-to-bow-refutes-charge-of-racism-in-coco-pops-mascot-936198 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/06/18/kelloggs-refuses-to-bow-refutes-charge-of-racism-in-coco-pops-mascot-936198)
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Lucky Charms is cultural theft! How DARE they offend the Irish so!
This stuff is so stupid it hurts.
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So is it racist to have any kind of blacks as mascots? Won't that hurt certain black commercials actors and such?
Additonally watch television commericals in general, and watch that and how many times the idiot or cluess person in the ad is a white male.
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Additonally watch television commericals in general, and watch that and how many times the idiot or cluess person in the ad is a white male.
There's A Twitter account that makes that observation. It's called @stupidwhiteads
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Eskimo Pie ice cream ditches 'derogatory' name as companies remove racially insensitive branding
“We have been reviewing our Eskimo Pie business for some time and will be changing the brand name and marketing.†Elizabell Marquez, head of marketing for Dreyer’s, told the Washington Examiner, adding that Dreyer's is “committed to being a part of the solution on racial equality, and recognize the term is derogatory.â€
The term “Eskimo†is considered derogatory because it was given to the indigenous peoples of Alaska and Canada by non-Inuit people and was said to mean “eater of raw meat." The name, however, is thought to come from the French word "esquimaux," which means "one who nets snowshoes."
more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/eskimo-pie-ice-cream-ditches-derogatory-name-as-companies-remove-racially-insensitive-branding (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/eskimo-pie-ice-cream-ditches-derogatory-name-as-companies-remove-racially-insensitive-branding)
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9999hair out0000
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Until corporations and companies but an end to this utter insanity it won't stop. Equal rights and all that I get it... but declaring everything and any white person as a racist is going beyond lunacy!
What about M&M's ... clearly the brown M&M was colored brown to be racist! *****rollingeyes*****
(https://cdn-tp4.mozu.com/26445-41141/cms/41141/files/4695c27b-d308-4301-ad6d-ecb2001729bc?maxWidth=541&_mzcb=_1591639162921)
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Until corporations and companies but an end to this utter insanity it won't stop. Equal rights and all that I get it... but declaring everything and any white person as a racist is going beyond lunacy!
What about M&M's ... clearly the brown M&M was colored brown to be racist! *****rollingeyes*****
(https://cdn-tp4.mozu.com/26445-41141/cms/41141/files/4695c27b-d308-4301-ad6d-ecb2001729bc?maxWidth=541&_mzcb=_1591639162921)
Hey - isn't that Samuel L. Jackson?
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Great-grandson of Syracuse’s Aunt Jemima angry at her removal: ‘This is an injustice’
Updated 5:09 PM; Today 10:38 AM
By Geoff Herbert
Syracuse, N.Y. -- Aunt Jemima’s great-grandson is angry.
Larnell Evans Sr., the great-grandson of a Syracuse woman who played Aunt Jemima for nearly 20 years, tells Patch that he vehemently disagrees with Quaker Oats’ decision to change the logo and name on its Aunt Jemima products, including pancake mix and syrup.
“This is an injustice for me and my family. This is part of my history, sir,†Evans said Thursday. “The racism they talk about, using images from slavery, that comes from the other side — white people. This company profits off images of our slavery. And their answer is to erase my great-grandmother’s history. A black female… It hurts.â€
Evans’ great-grandmother, Anna Short Harrington, portrayed Aunt Jemima from 1935 to 1954 after being discovered by Quaker Oats Company representatives while cooking pancakes at the 1935 New York State Fair. She was hired as an actress to dress up like Aunt Jemima and travel North America, serving pancakes and promoting the brand.
Harrington, who cooked for many fraternity houses at Syracuse University and is buried in Syracuse, was the third “Aunt Jemima.†Nancy Green, a former slave, originated the role with an apron and head scarf in 1893. ... More (https://www.syracuse.com/news/2020/06/great-grandson-of-syracuses-aunt-jemima-angry-at-her-removal-this-is-an-injustice.html)
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Great-grandson of Syracuse’s Aunt Jemima angry at her removal: ‘This is an injustice’
Updated 5:09 PM; Today 10:38 AM
By Geoff Herbert
Syracuse, N.Y. -- Aunt Jemima’s great-grandson is angry.
Larnell Evans Sr., the great-grandson of a Syracuse woman who played Aunt Jemima for nearly 20 years, tells Patch that he vehemently disagrees with Quaker Oats’ decision to change the logo and name on its Aunt Jemima products, including pancake mix and syrup.
“This is an injustice for me and my family. This is part of my history, sir,†Evans said Thursday. “The racism they talk about, using images from slavery, that comes from the other side — white people. This company profits off images of our slavery. And their answer is to erase my great-grandmother’s history. A black female… It hurts.â€
@mountaineer
Being that stupid SHOULD hurt.
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None of the women who portrayed the fictional "Aunt Jemima" suffered. None was enslaved. All were compensated. The original AJ - a former slave - even had a lifetime contract to play the part.
Oh, the humanity. A white American corporation giving a good job to a former slave and to other black women. How cruel. *****rollingeyes*****
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Political correctness will be imposed at the cost of anyone's heritage or history. And what ever the new brand is, it isn't coming in my door.
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What's funny about this is, the Quaker OWNS Aunt Jemima in real life!
(https://pics.me.me/whenumix-gritswith-pancakes-the-quaker-oats-guy-has-the-game-34921774.png)
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Trying to appease people stricken with group-racial psychosis or some form of societal sickness, may require extraordinary effort. Or, it just might take a charismatic figure from the African American community, maybe a national figure from politics or entertainment, sports or academics, to come along and be like the anti-Obama. Someone who can grab these folks by the collar and talk some sense, shake them out of this disease in their souls.
Or maybe it’s just the wine talking. I don’t know.
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Johnson & Johnson drops skin-whitening creams
Martinne Geller
Reuters June 19, 2020
LONDON (Reuters) - Johnson & Johnson has decided to stop selling skin-whitening creams popular in Asia and the Middle East, it said on Friday, after such products have come under renewed social pressure in recent weeks amid a global debate about racial inequality.
Johnson & Johnson will stop selling its Clean & Clear Fairness line of products, sold in India, a spokeswoman told Reuters. It was reported earlier this month that it would drop its Neutrogena Fine Fairness line, available in Asia and the Middle East.
"Conversations over the past few weeks highlighted that some product names or claims on our dark spot reducer products represent fairness or white as better than your own unique skin tone," Johnson & Johnson said. "This was never our intention – healthy skin is beautiful skin."
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/johnson-johnson-drops-skin-whitening-133946010.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/johnson-johnson-drops-skin-whitening-133946010.html)
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I still don't understand eliminating Mrs. Butterworth, the grandmotherly white woman of syrup renown. :shrug:
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Johnson & Johnson drops skin-whitening creams
Martinne Geller
Reuters June 19, 2020
LONDON (Reuters) - Johnson & Johnson has decided to stop selling skin-whitening creams popular in Asia and the Middle East, it said on Friday, after such products have come under renewed social pressure in recent weeks amid a global debate about racial inequality.
Johnson & Johnson will stop selling its Clean & Clear Fairness line of products, sold in India, a spokeswoman told Reuters. It was reported earlier this month that it would drop its Neutrogena Fine Fairness line, available in Asia and the Middle East.
"Conversations over the past few weeks highlighted that some product names or claims on our dark spot reducer products represent fairness or white as better than your own unique skin tone," Johnson & Johnson said. "This was never our intention – healthy skin is beautiful skin."
<..snip..>
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/johnson-johnson-drops-skin-whitening-133946010.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/johnson-johnson-drops-skin-whitening-133946010.html)
If only Michael Jackson could weigh in on this .... :shrug:
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If only Michael Jackson could weigh in on this .... :shrug:
Or Sammy Sosa.
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Sorry folks ... this cartoon popped into my head ... (my favorite Tom & Jerry cartoon)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYkJ0M1bUIU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYkJ0M1bUIU#)
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Sorry folks ... this cartoon popped into my head ... (my favorite Tom & Jerry cartoon)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYkJ0M1bUIU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYkJ0M1bUIU#)
That one is one of my faves. I liked the Zoot Suit one, too.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFOmWr-5N1I#)
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Trying to appease people stricken with group-racial psychosis or some form of societal sickness, may require extraordinary effort. Or, it just might take a charismatic figure from the African American community, maybe a national figure from politics or entertainment, sports or academics, to come along and be like the anti-Obama. Someone who can grab these folks by the collar and talk some sense, shake them out of this disease in their souls.
Or maybe it’s just the wine talking. I don’t know.
They are pushing this way past the political spectrum.
I am going to tell you a secret by shouting it out loud.
HE has always been here.
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I still don't understand eliminating Mrs. Butterworth, the grandmotherly white woman of syrup renown. :shrug:
@mountaineer
I truthfully don't understand any of it. Corporations are throwing away trademarks that are in some cases over 50 years old,and worth millions when it comes to brand recognition and sales. Start up corporations would give their left nut to gain even a fraction of that brand recognition,and here are people setting fire to it with no reward in sight.
Corporations exist SOLELY to return profits to their investors,yet here are Corporations throwing away millions of dollars in revenue to be PC,and nobody seems to care.
All to please people who,for the most part are at the bottom of the purchase chain,and if it weren't for food stamps and welfare or drug dealing/pimping,would starve to death if they didn't eat each other.
And our entire media seems to be treating these retards like they are some sort of wise sages or Holy Men,come to Earth to save us all.
On top of that,we have a senile retard that is also a child molester and a felon running for President as the candidate of one of our two major parties,and nobody in the news media seems to think any of that is worth mentioning. Just ONCE,I would love to see some reporter ask Jimmy Kimmel or one of the other political sages if they would be willing to let Slow Joe baby sit their minor children,or trust him with their checkbook or credit card.
I have gone from dreading the reality of a revolution,to convinced the country won't survive if we DON'T have one.
To quote that famous philosopher Goober Gore,"Whut is spossta be up is doawn,and ....drool break....,whut iz spossata be doawn iz up!"
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I truthfully don't understand any of it. Corporations are throwing away trademarks that are in some cases over 50 years old,and worth millions when it comes to brand recognition and sales. Start up corporations would give their left nut to gain even a fraction of that brand recognition,and here are people setting fire to it with no reward in sight.
From now on, the only permissible product labels look like these:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PKBVFJTw0e8/U8gseV7Aa4I/AAAAAAAALek/Y56MVAdV_AQ/s1600/3358039577_cc0f894f7b_b.jpg)
NO cartoon characters, animals, human faces, please!!
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From now on, the only permissible product labels look like these:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PKBVFJTw0e8/U8gseV7Aa4I/AAAAAAAALek/Y56MVAdV_AQ/s1600/3358039577_cc0f894f7b_b.jpg)
NO cartoon characters, animals, human faces, please!!
Back in the 70's, when I lived in Kalamazoo, MI, I shopped at Jewel grocery, and this is what their "generics" looked like:
(http://www.vietworldkitchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/6a00d8341ef22f53ef01b8d2297939970c.jpg)
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@Cyber Liberty
Democrats revel in identity politics; we’re supposed to “see†race—no color blind interactions tolerated or you are “branded†racist. But now in the most advanced consumer nation on earth they want generic sameness—no branding. I wish they’d make up their mind.
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@Cyber Liberty
Democrats revel in identity politics; we’re supposed to “see†race—no color blind interactions tolerated or you are “branded†racist. But now in the most advanced consumer nation on earth they want generic sameness—no branding. I wish they’d make up their mind.
There is a reason branded products look like they do, and the market will reassert itself when the shit blows over.
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Sorry folks ... this cartoon popped into my head ... (my favorite Tom & Jerry cartoon)
I have the sheet music to "Is You Is Or Is You Ain't My Baby." Come on over for a singalong!
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Mo Mo @molratty
We could have school choice and get rid of public sector unions like police and teachers, but no, let's just rename products and call it a day.
9:23 PM · Jun 19, 2020
I don't care about them renaming the products at all. But can we please stop pretending we are serious with this empty gestures.
How does this help?
Who does this help?
Those are the questions. If the answers are "not in any measurable way" and "mainly the person taking the action" then the gesture is usually going to be useless and empty.
https://twitter.com/molratty
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Back in the 70's, when I lived in Kalamazoo, MI, I shopped at Jewel grocery, and this is what their "generics" looked like:
(http://www.vietworldkitchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/6a00d8341ef22f53ef01b8d2297939970c.jpg)
Yeah, that black and white stuff was up here too... I remember that
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Eskimo Pies to drop ‘derogatory’ name over racial insensitivity
The maker of Eskimo Pies will change the 99-year-old brand name of the ice cream treat, the company said Friday — becoming the latest organization to overhaul the marketing of a product with a racially tinged moniker in recent weeks.
The owner of the Eskimo Pie, Dreyer’s Grand Ice Cream, said in a statement they had been considering renaming the chocolate-covered ice cream bar and popsicle for some time.
“We are committed to being a part of the solution on racial equality, and recognize the term is derogatory,†the company’s head of marketing said in a statement.
“This move is part of a larger review to ensure our company and brands reflect our people values,†the company added.
https://nypost.com/2020/06/19/eskimo-pies-to-drop-derogatory-name-over-racial-insensitivity/
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There is a reason branded products look like they do, and the market will reassert itself when the shit blows over.
Yeah, it's in marketing DNA. But that these ancient proud brands are to be torn down just baffles me.
But I don't know how much any of that marketing crap works, anyway... I think the symbols do. The things that make an item unique and identifiable in order to be picked...
I am partial to Betty Crocker... Nothing at all against Duncan Hines or the others, whoever and whatever they are. I don't care to try them out - I have always had a good time with ol Betty, and you can bet the if I am in the baking aisle, I am looking for a red box, and that Betty Crocker signature.
Now, do all their commercials and specials and couponing, and everything they do matter in welding me to that product? Yes, very probably. Brand recognition is very likely what caused me to try that brand at the first moment of decision. But that's all. the rest is a loyalty born of normalcy. As long as ol Betty works for me, I will keep using it... entirely. All they can do to mess that up is crank the price enough or mess up the product expectation enough to cause me to look for otherwise.
But it is the symbolism that causes me to FIND ol betty on the shelf. THAT is what they are messing with... If I were into prepared pancake stuff, three things are in my mind... Bisquick, Aunt Jamima, and Mrs. Butterworth... I know what all those look like and could find them on the shelf. Their brands would likely be held higher in my decision making, because I know them.
Not that I do, mind you - I think there may be an old box of Bisquick in the house, but none of the rest are here. Like any redneck boy, I scratch build pancakes, and being as close as I am to Canada, of course my tastes run toward REAL maple syrup, and will have no other.
But altering that brand is just crazy. They are top names in their field BECAUSE of those brands. How will people find them afterward?
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Eskimo Pies to drop ‘derogatory’ name over racial insensitivity
https://nypost.com/2020/06/19/eskimo-pies-to-drop-derogatory-name-over-racial-insensitivity/
What is really hilarious in that is that the name 'Inuit' is another group name - just like Eskimo... And does not displace Eskimo-Aleut at all. Just a subgouping under that heading, and I know enough about Alaska to know that natives ain't any more fond of being grouped into 'Inuit' than they are into 'Eskimo'.
Around here, you'd better know the tribe your native friend comes from, not the confederation.
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What is really hilarious in that is that the name 'Inuit' is another group name - just like Eskimo... And does not displace Eskimo-Aleut at all. Just a subgouping under that heading, and I know enough about Alaska to know that natives ain't any more fond of being grouped into 'Inuit' than they are into 'Eskimo'.
Around here, you'd better know the tribe your native friend comes from, not the confederation.
Like Sioux, or Iroquois, there were many distinct tribes, and those formed by distinct bands....
(Interesting no one ever mentions the Iroquois Confederation and The Great Law of Peace in the origins of our own government, even though that Federation lasted for some 200 years.)
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French bread next?
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French bread next?
Naw. It's OK to appropriate Europeans' culture. They're evil "Ice People."
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Like Sioux, or Iroquois, there were many distinct tribes, and those formed by distinct bands....
(Interesting no one ever mentions the Iroquois Confederation and The Great Law of Peace in the origins of our own government, even though that Federation lasted for some 200 years.)
Right... Around here, the Salish are the Bitterroot Salish, Kootenai, and Upper Pend 'Orielle... But the greater Salish Nation historically was a much greater confederation that covered most of western MT, upper Idaho, eastern Washington, and stretches far into Alberta and British Columbia, and contained many other tribes...
Interesting thing about the Iroquois... The Salish had a prophet back in the day named Shining Shirt who had a dream that was later confirmed in talking to the Iroquios about the coming of the whites and particularly the Jesuits.
Now, I don't know how that all stretches out. But the Iroquois were talking to the Salish, way out here in the Rockies. Some day I will take the time to track that down.
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Right... Around here, the Salish are the Bitterroot Salish, Kootenai, and Upper Pend 'Orielle... But the greater Salish Nation historically was a much greater confederation that covered most of western MT, upper Idaho, eastern Washington, and stretches far into Alberta and British Columbia, and contained many other tribes...
Interesting thing about the Iroquois... The Salish had a prophet back in the day named Shining Shirt who had a dream that was later confirmed in talking to the Iroquios about the coming of the whites and particularly the Jesuits.
Now, I don't know how that all stretches out. But the Iroquois were talking to the Salish, way out here in the Rockies. Some day I will take the time to track that down.
Traveling salesmen....Trade routes were far more developed than people seem to think, even though the evidence is out there. If Mica, Abalone, copper all ended up in Illinois (Cahokia) the scope of cultural and material exchange is far greater than many have been willing to give credit.
It is also one reason why a single case of smallpox could lead to an epidemic that could travel a continent.
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Like Sioux, or Iroquois, there were many distinct tribes, and those formed by distinct bands....
(Interesting no one ever mentions the Iroquois Confederation and The Great Law of Peace in the origins of our own government, even though that Federation lasted for some 200 years.)
By the way, Smoke... We should sit on the porch some day and go around about the Iroquois and their very probable Caucasian roots, likely Celtic for the similarity of the Great Law of Peace with the ancient Celtic Common Law...
Jussayin :beer:
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By the way, Smoke... We should sit on the porch some day and go around about the Iroquois and their very probable Caucasian roots, likely Celtic for the similarity of the Great Law of Peace with the ancient Celtic Common Law...
Jussayin :beer:
Now, that would be fun. :beer:
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Traveling salesmen....Trade routes were far more developed than people seem to think, even though the evidence is out there. If Mica, Abalone, copper all ended up in Illinois (Cahokia) the scope of cultural and material exchange is far greater than many have been willing to give credit.
It is also one reason why a single case of smallpox could lead to an epidemic that could travel a continent.
Something like that... I know the Gros Ventre (Ft Bellknap rez) were Algonquin way, way back, coming this way and splitting into the Arapaho and Gros Ventre along the way... Basically saying that being Algonquin in descent puts em rubbing shoulders with the Iroquois back in the day... and as Gros Ventre, tight with the Cheyenne, puts them between the Platte and the Saskatchewan, pretty much across the hump from the Salish...
Stranger things... :shrug: :whistle:
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Branding probably meant more a few decades back in time.
But it still does, in many product lines.
Apple. They get premium prices.
Maybe in plenty of other products, too.
We will see.
People can remember good, and bad. How will Seattle rourism fare?
Visit the burned out zone. See the graffitti.
Stand where Antifa stood.
Stand where Washington's statue once stood.
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By the way, Smoke... We should sit on the porch some day and go around about the Iroquois and their very probable Caucasian roots, likely Celtic for the similarity of the Great Law of Peace with the ancient Celtic Common Law...
Jussayin :beer:
@Smokin Joe
Seems like Celtic or Viking influence was here before Columbus.
Perhaps the Phoenicians earlier. But I think there was a worldwide civilization, pre flood.
Cortez was greeted treated as a god.
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But altering that brand is just crazy. They are top names in their field BECAUSE of those brands. How will people find them afterward?
@roamer_1
You will not be looking for them in the near future,because you will be standing in line for your rations,just like everyone else,and you WILL take what they give you or starve.
You didn't REALLY think the left only wanted a political monopoly,did you?
You WILL eat the goobermint food in the plain brown wrapper,and you WILL like it!
Of course,just like Moscow back in the "Good Old Days" of the GUM Department store where only party officials and their families could shop,there will be special stores where the elite can still shop and buy quality foods and other items.
Ain't all this "all the equality we think you need" stuff fun?
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Like Sioux, or Iroquois, there were many distinct tribes,
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@Smokin Joe
And just like back then,almost none of the "new" tribes will like or trust each other,and will do their damnedest to raid each other to capture females to keep the blood in their tribe from "going stale".
You might say it was the Indian "Summer Games".
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Something like that... I know the Gros Ventre (Ft Bellknap rez) were Algonquin way, way back, coming this way and splitting into the Arapaho and Gros Ventre along the way... Basically saying that being Algonquin in descent puts em rubbing shoulders with the Iroquois back in the day... and as Gros Ventre, tight with the Cheyenne, puts them between the Platte and the Saskatchewan, pretty much across the hump from the Salish...
Stranger things... :shrug: :whistle:
@roamer_1
Not to mention the blood from the young females and children stolen from one another during their annual "Spring Olympics". Once they captured a female or a child from another tribe,that female or child was considered to be one of them,and nobody paid much attention to what was before.
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Seems like Celtic or Viking influence was here before Columbus.
Perhaps the Phoenicians earlier. But I think there was a worldwide civilization, pre flood.
Cortez was greeted treated as a god.
Yes, something was certainly lost. I think the Dark Ages were more the reset... I think prior to then, the whole world was known... Sumer is post-deluvian, and sumerian artifacts are found in mexico and chile. Hebrew and celtic writing are found throughout North America.
I think history had been purposefully altered to lean toward where science says it should go.
Sweeping the abnormalities under the rug... That's where I like it... Under that rug. Out of Place Artifacts tell the true tale.
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@roamer_1
Not to mention the blood from the young females and children stolen from one another during their annual "Spring Olympics". Once they captured a female or a child from another tribe,that female or child was considered to be one of them,and nobody paid much attention to what was before.
Yes, but no, @sneakypete ... There was business... Alliances, trade, law.
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@Smokin Joe
Seems like Celtic or Viking influence was here before Columbus.
Perhaps the Phoenicians earlier. But I think there was a worldwide civilization, pre flood.
Cortez was greeted treated as a god.
I think it is easy to underestimate the amount of interaction of people on a global scale when Darwinism blinds you to the idea that any others might have done things before you that only you, according to that theory of evolution, as the highest developed beings on the planet, could have just recently done.
The amazing part is that the meetings of the past were preserved in the culture at all, even enough to make such an error.
If you abandon the teachings of the past, a story told in relics and stones, in earthworks, and artifacts, you are free to ignore it, and even ascribe the accomplishments of those who died out so long ago you can't read their language to space aliens and the like.
Archaeology has been ever hobbled by Darwin, by the circular reasoning which says previous civilizations couldn't have done that because they were old and primitive. That and other dogmas have been sufficient to destroy the most valuable of those civilizations' writings, from the library at Alexandria to the Mayan Codices.
If we read A Canticle for Leibowitz or simply ponder what would remain of our culture in 5,000 or 10,000 years of erosion and geological wastage, maybe we begin to be humbled by the thought that those who came before us may have been far more capable than we imagined.
Trade, no matter the means of travel, motivated by profit and knowing what and even who was over the next hill, is as ever present in the intrepid human nature as the desires of some to have and stay at their secure homes. But despite the risks, he who returns with exotic goods and tales to tell returns to the rewards of a conquering hero, or the threat of torture and destruction for the heresy of relating that which he has seen by those who have not.
So has it always been.
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@Smokin Joe
And just like back then,almost none of the "new" tribes will like or trust each other,and will do their damnedest to raid each other to capture females to keep the blood in their tribe from "going stale".
You might say it was the Indian "Summer Games".
Yep. That and 'tipi creeping'.
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@roamer_1
Not to mention the blood from the young females and children stolen from one another during their annual "Spring Olympics". Once they captured a female or a child from another tribe,that female or child was considered to be one of them,and nobody paid much attention to what was before.
Captives had to prove their worth to become part of the tribe. Fail in that and the outcome would be slavery or death.
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Yes, but no, @sneakypete ... There was business... Alliances, trade, law.
@roamer_1
Depends on the tribe and the time. Tribes like the Cherokee were pretty open to trade,the Apache and Comanche,not so much.
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Captives had to prove their worth to become part of the tribe. Fail in that and the outcome would be slavery or death.
@Smokin Joe
I'm sure that was a real struggle for the young maidens hot enough to capture and bring back home.
And,of course,her children were full tribal members at birth.