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Title: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: mystery-ak on April 25, 2017, 02:58:25 pm
Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
By Rebecca Savransky - 04/25/17 09:16 AM EDT

Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) says he won't completely rule out launching a presidential bid in 2020.

Asked Monday during a CNN town hall whether he would run for the White House in 2020, Kasich responded: "Very unlikely that I will run for public office."

"You wouldn't close the door on it?" CNN's Anderson Cooper asked.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/330376-kasich-wont-close-door-on-2020-presidential-run
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: corbe on April 25, 2017, 05:30:16 pm
   trying real hard to GIVE a $hit, here.

(http://sharkattackgolf.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/GivingFreeCat.jpg)
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: skeeter on April 25, 2017, 05:32:36 pm
I've heard hope springs eternal, but this is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Polly Ticks on April 25, 2017, 05:33:40 pm
Yes, but did you know his father was a mailman??

Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 25, 2017, 07:04:03 pm
Yes, but did you know his father was a mailman??

Then we're just gonna have to "Return to Sender."  Address unknown.

If Kasich won't close the door we're just going to have to do it for him, again.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 25, 2017, 07:22:52 pm
Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run

Don't worry John. We'll close the door for ya.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Jazzhead on April 25, 2017, 07:35:48 pm
I've been a fan of John Kasich for over thirty years.  He's one of the last of old school (pre-TEA party) conservatives in the mold of Kemp, Goldwater and Reagan.   

If he runs again,  he can count on my support again.   
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Bigun on April 25, 2017, 07:40:37 pm
I think he's to f'n stupid to close a door!
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: corbe on April 25, 2017, 07:42:31 pm
                  You a member, @Jazzhead ?

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Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: DCPatriot on April 25, 2017, 07:42:52 pm
With so much going on, this comes off as "HEY!  Look at me!  I'm still relevant!"

Yawn.....   
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 25, 2017, 07:47:00 pm
I've been a fan of John Kasich for over thirty years.  He's one of the last of old school (pre-TEA party) conservatives in the mold of Kemp, Goldwater and Reagan.   

If he runs again,  he can count on my support again.

Kasich = Goldwater = Reagan.  Got it.  And you wonder why sometimes you can't get respect.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Free Vulcan on April 25, 2017, 08:25:00 pm
Ego is way too big to close that door.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Emjay on April 25, 2017, 08:40:52 pm
   trying real hard to GIVE a $hit, here.

(http://sharkattackgolf.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/GivingFreeCat.jpg)

Here, Kasich, let me get that door for you.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Jazzhead on April 25, 2017, 08:52:54 pm
Kasich = Goldwater = Reagan.  Got it.  And you wonder why sometimes you can't get respect.

I don't give a damn about your respect, CL.    Kasich is a good and decent man,  whose been an effective conservative soldier in Congress, at the White House and in the State of Ohio. 

I am sick and tired of TEA party conservatism and remember a time when conservatives were a fount of creative ideas for solving the problems we face through an opportunity culture, rather than a force for obstruction, nihilism and reaction.   I admire Kasich like few politicians I've encountered in 40 years of voting GOP.   He's walked the walk, as an honest and implacable man.     

You can kiss my arse.     

   
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Wingnut on April 25, 2017, 08:53:06 pm
Kasich = Goldwater = Reagan.  Got it.  And you wonder why sometimes you can't get respect.

Brother, That is not very nice.  Disrespecting a fine upstanding young man for his choice of public servants is not a principle this place was founded on.  Now we can't help that we can't see things his way.  I'm Like you....  I'd love to see things from his point of view. But Damn, I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: skeeter on April 25, 2017, 09:01:23 pm
Brother, That is not very nice.  Disrespecting a fine upstanding young man for his choice of public servants is not a principle this place was founded on.  Now we can't help that we can't see things his way.  I'm Like you....  I'd love to see things from his point of view. But Damn, I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass.

I don't understand how anyone so in love with the bureaucracy could claim to be a fan of Reagan, let alone Goldwater.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Emjay on April 25, 2017, 09:10:16 pm
I don't give a damn about your respect, CL.    Kasich is a good and decent man,  whose been an effective conservative soldier in Congress, at the White House and in the State of Ohio. 

I am sick and tired of TEA party conservatism and remember a time when conservatives were a fount of creative ideas for solving the problems we face through an opportunity culture, rather than a force for obstruction, nihilism and reaction.   I admire Kasich like few politicians I've encountered in 40 years of voting GOP.   He's walked the walk, as an honest and implacable man.     

You can kiss my arse.     

 

I'll admit ... the most I know about Kasich is how utterly boring he was during the debates.  He may be a good guy but ... sheesh.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: libertybele on April 25, 2017, 09:31:15 pm
I'll admit ... the most I know about Kasich is how utterly boring he was during the debates.  He may be a good guy but ... sheesh.

He's a RINO and he didn't get enough votes last election to matter or to even be relevant anymore.  Somehow, I just don't see that changing for the demented windmill.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 25, 2017, 09:52:06 pm
Brother, That is not very nice.  Disrespecting a fine upstanding young man for his choice of public servants is not a principle this place was founded on.  Now we can't help that we can't see things his way.  I'm Like you....  I'd love to see things from his point of view. But Damn, I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass.

I quit taking the little boy seriously when he said I'm a disgrace.  Now he's telling me to kiss his ass, so he's growing up.  They do that so quickly these days.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Bigun on April 25, 2017, 09:56:17 pm
I quit taking the little boy seriously when he said I'm a disgrace.  Now he's telling me to kiss his ass, so he's growing up.  They do that so quickly these days.

The only time I see a thing he says is when someone else quotes him.  Not worth another second of my time.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Jazzhead on April 25, 2017, 10:02:56 pm
I quit taking the little boy seriously when he said I'm a disgrace.  Now he's telling me to kiss his ass, so he's growing up.  They do that so quickly these days.

So why the gratuitous insult?   
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 25, 2017, 10:29:06 pm
So why the gratuitous insult?

Because you take it so well...and I'm not going to let you get away with comparing Kasich and Reagan.  Uh, uh.   **nononono*
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 25, 2017, 10:36:22 pm
So why the gratuitous insult?

If you are so vapid to ask that after comparing Reagan, Goldwater and Jesus Kasich, you are too far gone. Have someone commit you to the nearest mental health facility.

Quote
I had a conversation with one of the members of the legislature the other day. I said, ‘I respect the fact that you believe in small government. I do, too. I also know that you’re a person of faith. Now, when you die and get to the meeting with St. Peter, he’s probably not going to ask you much about what you did about keeping government small. But he is going to ask you what you did for the poor. You better have a good answer.- Jesus Kasich

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431051/john-kasich-liberals-favorite-christian-theocrat
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: libertybele on April 25, 2017, 10:45:08 pm
Jazz has the right to like Kasich and he also has the right to compare him to Reagan.  Most of us think he's delusional; and that's our right.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 25, 2017, 11:10:32 pm
Jazz has the right to like Kasich and he also has the right to compare him to Reagan.  Most of us think he's delusional; and that's our right.

Even if I choose to be disgraceful about it?  :beer:
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Jazzhead on April 25, 2017, 11:40:13 pm
Because you take it so well...and I'm not going to let you get away with comparing Kasich and Reagan.  Uh, uh.   **nononono*

Kasich was in the first wave of Reagan allies in 1982.  Kasich helped implement his agenda.   

Reagan would not have been TEA party.  It would have made his skin crawl.   You have to make conservatism and free market economics work for the less fortunate,  not just shut the gummint down. 

 
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 25, 2017, 11:51:32 pm
Kasich was in the first wave of Reagan allies in 1982.  Kasich helped implement his agenda.   

Reagan would not have been TEA party.  It would have made his skin crawl.   You have to make conservatism and free market economics work for the less fortunate,  not just shut the gummint down.

No. Reagan was all about shutting the govt' down and letting people handle their own affairs. He was a huge Calvin Coolidge fan. He despised socialized medicine. These are all the opposite of Kasich who is a fan of Obamacare.

You cannot cite one social program that Kasich was willing to eliminate or cut back on when he was running for President. Reagan ran specifically on cutting social spending. His first budget slashed the hell out of welfare.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Jazzhead on April 25, 2017, 11:57:48 pm
No. Reagan was all about shutting the govt' down and letting people handle their own affairs. He was a huge Calvin Coolidge fan. He despised socialized medicine. These are all the opposite of Kasich who is a fan of Obamacare.

You cannot cite one social program that Kasich was willing to eliminate or cut back on when he was running for President. Reagan ran specifically on cutting social spending. His first budget slashed the hell out of welfare.


Reagan wanted to unleash the animal spirits of our free and capitalist economy.  He believed in the rising tide, the shining city.

 He wasn't fixated on eliminating programs for the poor.   He oversaw the biggest changes in history to preserve the Social Security system and the private pension system.   

What the hell is wrong with conservatives nowadays?  Our hearts are filled with dust.   
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: libertybele on April 26, 2017, 12:03:07 am
Kasich was in the first wave of Reagan allies in 1982.  Kasich helped implement his agenda.   

Reagan would not have been TEA party.  It would have made his skin crawl.   You have to make conservatism and free market economics work for the less fortunate,  not just shut the gummint down.

TEA are Constitutional conservatives and you are stating that the Constitution would have made Reagan's skin crawl? 

Kasich favors gun control, Common Core, a pathway to citizenship for illegals, and same-sex marriage, he also voted for McCain; all this should tell you exactly how far to the left he is.  No thank you.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: corbe on April 26, 2017, 12:03:17 am

Reagan wanted to unleash the animal spirits of our free and capitalist economy.  He believed in the rising tide, the shining city.

 He wasn't fixated on eliminating programs for the poor.   He oversaw the biggest changes in history to preserve the Social Security system and the private pension system.   

What the hell is wrong with conservatives nowadays?  Our hearts are filled with dust.   

   We've been 'compassionaited' to death @Jazzhead
   It threatens the very nature of our existence now, Death by Taxes to pay for all that Compassion, is a dead end.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Jazzhead on April 26, 2017, 12:12:16 am
   We've been 'compassionaited' to death @Jazzhead
   It threatens the very nature of our existence now, Death by Taxes to pay for all that Compassion, is a dead end.

Taxes to support social programs really aren't what's pecking us to death, it's regulations and attendant compliance costs that keep businesses from growing and hiring and banks from lending.   
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 26, 2017, 12:20:42 am

Reagan wanted to unleash the animal spirits of our free and capitalist economy.  He believed in the rising tide, the shining city.

 He wasn't fixated on eliminating programs for the poor.   He oversaw the biggest changes in history to preserve the Social Security system and the private pension system.   

What the hell is wrong with conservatives nowadays?  Our hearts are filled with dust.   

Were you even alive back then or are you just making this shit up as you go along? Cutting the size and scope of govt' was Reagan's #1 argument on the stump when he ran. It's what got him elected. He enacted these policies when he got in. It got him reelected. It pissed Libs off to no end. Remember all the homeless nonsense back in the 80's ....

REAGAN CUTS IN WELFARE VOIDED IN PENNSYLVANIA

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/11/21/us/reagan-cuts-in-welfare-voided-in-pennsylvania.html

FOOD STAMPS PROGRAM: HOW IT GREW AND HOW REAGAN WANTS TO CUT IT BACK; The Budget Targets

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/04/04/us/food-stamps-program-it-grew-reagan-wants-cut-it-back-budget-targets.html?pagewanted=all

Reagan Ready to Unveil Social, Welfare Cuts

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1981/03/08/reagan-ready-to-unveil-social-welfare-cuts/473768bb-0fe1-4e59-b16f-bbdc22497908/?utm_term=.9b1aba47b6fd

He also wanted to eliminate full departments. John Kasich on the other hand has not seen a govt' program he doesn't love. Just look at what he was pimping for on the campaign trail. He is a Rockefeller Republican.

BTW, did Reagan believe in Man Made Climate change? John does. Reagan believe in gay marriage? John does. Reagan believe in centralized control of education? John loves Common Core.

You speak of Animal Spirits. John torpedoed Right To Work in OH as Gov. How does that release the animal spirits? It doesn't and that is why your cracked pot Jesus freak of a loser John only won one state and was an embarrassment on the campaign trail.

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Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 26, 2017, 12:26:40 am
Kasich was in the first wave of Reagan allies in 1982.  Kasich helped implement his agenda.   

Reagan would not have been TEA party.  It would have made his skin crawl.   You have to make conservatism and free market economics work for the less fortunate,  not just shut the gummint down.

What does T E A stand for anyway?  Do you know?  You can't possibly know and claim Reagan would have hated it.  You can't.  You can't be that ignorant.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 26, 2017, 12:31:27 am
.  You can't.  You can't be that ignorant.

If you follow his fuzzy memories and warped logic, you would be wrong.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Fishrrman on April 26, 2017, 02:43:57 am
Well, he could always run as a democrat next time.

He sure acted like one the last time he ran!  ;)
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: edpc on April 26, 2017, 03:35:49 am
As a democrat?
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 26, 2017, 05:01:59 am
Yes, but did you know his father was a mailman??
Well that's a relief. At least he wasn't a female man....

 ****drummer
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 26, 2017, 05:10:21 am
Kasich was in the first wave of Reagan allies in 1982.  Kasich helped implement his agenda.   

Reagan would not have been TEA party.  It would have made his skin crawl.   You have to make conservatism and free market economics work for the less fortunate,  not just shut the gummint down.
Wait. This guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ixNPplo-SU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ixNPplo-SU)

I think he would have been right in there with folks who are Taxed Enough Already.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 26, 2017, 05:23:29 am
Wait. This guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ixNPplo-SU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ixNPplo-SU)

I think he would have been right in there with folks who are Taxed Enough Already.

Don't bother. Jazzy wouldn't believe any of this even if Reagan got out of the grave and walked up to tell him he was full of shit.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 26, 2017, 05:29:37 am
Don't bother. Jazzy wouldn't believe any of this even if Reagan got out of the grave and walked up to tell him he was full of shit.
We have had..conversations before. I post mainly to keep the spectators who visit here from being pulled off the path during those. I do not expect I will change his viewpoints, but hone my skills nonetheless.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Polly Ticks on April 26, 2017, 12:16:39 pm
Wait. This guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ixNPplo-SU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ixNPplo-SU)

I think he would have been right in there with folks who are Taxed Enough Already.

Love that one.  Also this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhYJS80MgYA


I miss that guy something fierce.

Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 26, 2017, 12:17:46 pm
Love that one.  Also this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhYJS80MgYA


I miss that guy something fierce.
You and me, both. We were blessed to have him, and not just as POTUS.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 26, 2017, 12:58:53 pm
You and me, both. We were blessed to have him, and not just as POTUS.

Grinds my gears there are people who think John Kasich is the second coming.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 26, 2017, 01:03:32 pm
Grinds my gears there are people who think John Kasich is the second coming.  *****rollingeyes*****

Well Kasich himself thinks it....

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Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Rivergirl on April 26, 2017, 01:26:55 pm
After watching the primaries and these darned 100 days of tweets and twits I would be happy to have President Kasich.
Other than Santorum, Hicklebeee, Graham, I would be happy with anyone but the orange menace we have now.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: DCPatriot on April 26, 2017, 01:29:16 pm
After watching the primaries and these darned 100 days of tweets and twits I would be happy to have President Kasich.
Other than Santorum, Hicklebeee, Graham, I would be happy with anyone but the orange menace we have now.

Aren't you special?   

Bless your heart.   :whistle:
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on April 26, 2017, 01:30:31 pm
I'll admit ... the most I know about Kasich is how utterly boring he was during the debates.  He may be a good guy but ... sheesh.

He's the reason Trump won the primary.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 26, 2017, 01:45:33 pm
Aren't you special?   

Bless your heart.   :whistle:

Special as in wearing a helmet and flippers in the shower?
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on April 26, 2017, 04:16:14 pm

Reagan wanted to unleash the animal spirits of our free and capitalist economy.  He believed in the rising tide, the shining city.

 He wasn't fixated on eliminating programs for the poor.   He oversaw the biggest changes in history to preserve the Social Security system and the private pension system.   

What the hell is wrong with conservatives nowadays?  Our hearts are filled with dust.   
Reagan was not a follower of John Maynard Keynes; that's why he didn't believe in more taxes and spending.  22222frying pan
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Wingnut on April 26, 2017, 04:43:41 pm
Special as in wearing a helmet and flippers in the shower?

And have someone work the  Loofah

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNyiWb6UwAEwexr.jpg)
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 26, 2017, 06:36:59 pm
He's the reason Trump won the primary.
Yep. It is a simple trick to split the votes that are not for one of the opponents in a three way race. If Kasich, who had no way to win (the remaining states would not give him enough delegates) had dropped out, things may have gone differently.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Rivergirl on April 26, 2017, 06:59:07 pm
Well bless the heart that blessed my heart.
Or, as I like to say.........you can kiss my grits.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Wingnut on April 26, 2017, 07:41:08 pm
Well bless the heart that blessed my heart.
Or, as I like to say.........you can kiss my grits.

You are dealing with professionals here Flo! 

Got to be on your toes.  :smokin:
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on April 26, 2017, 07:47:18 pm
Lot's of blessed hearts around here today.

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Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 26, 2017, 07:48:17 pm
You are dealing with professionals here Flo! 

Got to be on your toes.  :smokin:

You don't have toes if you got flippers. It's called syndactyly.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: geronl on April 26, 2017, 07:51:34 pm
I've been a fan of John Kasich for over thirty years.  He's one of the last of old school (pre-TEA party) conservatives in the mold of Kemp, Goldwater and Reagan.   

If he runs again,  he can count on my support again.

Kasich is a liberal
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 26, 2017, 07:53:46 pm
Kasich is a liberal

Which is exactly why Jazzy loves him so.  His level of hatred for the TEA Party is not often seen outside the office of Chinless McConnell.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: DCPatriot on April 26, 2017, 08:30:11 pm
Well bless the heart that blessed my heart.
Or, as I like to say.........you can kiss my grits.

 :beer:
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: DCPatriot on April 26, 2017, 08:31:19 pm
Lot's of blessed hearts around here today.

 888high58888
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: driftdiver on April 26, 2017, 08:31:49 pm
Yep. It is a simple trick to split the votes that are not for one of the opponents in a three way race. If Kasich, who had no way to win (the remaining states would not give him enough delegates) had dropped out, things may have gone differently.

He will do whatever George Soros tells him to.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: edpc on April 26, 2017, 11:25:03 pm
miss that guy something fierce.

As do most of us who are old enough to remember when he was in office.   However, he was not infallible. He was outflanked and fooled by the Democratic controlled Congress on the issue of illegals.  He also failed to recognize the rise of Islamic foes in the Middle East after the Beirut bombing.   My point is, we should be able to criticize the failings of those on our side, without being labeled as subversives.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 26, 2017, 11:32:56 pm
As do most of us who are old enough to remember when he was in office.   However, he was not infallible. He was outflanked and fooled by the Democratic controlled Congress on the issue of illegals.  He also failed to recognize the rise of Islamic foes in the Middle East after the Beirut bombing.   My point is, we should be able to criticize the failings of those on our side, without being labeled as subversives.

Do you think he would detest people with the TEA Party, as has been asserted here?
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Rivergirl on April 26, 2017, 11:49:20 pm
I often railed at the deification of Reagan.  He gave blanket amnesty.   He cut and ran from Beirut and he went to Bitburg where the SS were buried..........at the urging of Pat Buchanan.

That does not take away from his accomplishments.   He truly made Americans feel good about themselves and their country.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Sanguine on April 26, 2017, 11:51:21 pm
Do you think he would detest people with the TEA Party, as has been asserted here?

No, he would empathize with them.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: DCPatriot on April 26, 2017, 11:53:52 pm
Do you think he would detest people with the TEA Party, as has been asserted here?

Let's face it.  The "Taxed Enough Already" was kidnapped, and co-opted by, ...well, 'YOU' know.

The same way 'They' want to think their POV is the one the Party should adhere.

We have some of 'Them' right here. 

Soon as the media demonized the Tea Party, certain groups therein provided unlimited fodder.

If 'They' would learn to be team players, we could make the 'Playoffs'. (2018)
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 26, 2017, 11:57:20 pm
I often railed at the deification of Reagan.  He gave blanket amnesty.   He cut and ran from Beirut and he went to Bitburg where the SS were buried..........at the urging of Pat Buchanan.

That does not take away from his accomplishments.   He truly made Americans feel good about themselves and their country.
There were things he did I didn't agree with. It took a long time for the trickle down to reach the oil fields, going through a bust. I wasn't happy with Amnesty, but at least he didn't just ignore the issue. However, he was (especially in comparison to those who have followed) a person who loved his country, did his best, I believe, under the circumstances, and represented us well around the world. He rocked Eastern Europe, and after the wall came down, much changed there. Overall, he was one of the, if not the best POTUS of the 20th century.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Sanguine on April 26, 2017, 11:58:12 pm
Let's face it.  The "Taxed Enough Already" was kidnapped, and co-opted by, ...well, 'YOU' know.

The same way 'They' want to think their POV is the one the Party should adhere.

We have some of 'Them' right here. 

Soon as the media demonized the Tea Party, certain groups therein provided unlimited fodder.

If 'They' would learn to be team players, we could make the 'Playoffs'. (2018)

You're confessing, aren't you, DC?
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2017, 11:59:40 pm


I am sick and tired of TEA party conservatism and remember a time when conservatives were a fount of creative ideas for solving the problems we face through an opportunity culture, rather than a force for obstruction, nihilism and reaction. 
 

Obstruction?  As in stopping the spending party in Washington D.C.?    Do you not think it needs to be stopped?   Should we not stop spending more than we take in?   


Math is a bitch.   
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: DCPatriot on April 27, 2017, 12:02:33 am
You're confessing, aren't you, DC?

I don't understand, @Sanguine

There are a lot of pig-headed ...otherwise nice people, in the Republican Party, or who vote GOP.

The past election campaign season and atmosphere in this forum STILL today, serves as Exhibit A.

Like the Aliens.    They Live Among Us.....    :laugh:
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: DiogenesLamp on April 27, 2017, 12:05:52 am

Reagan would not have been TEA party.


Neither would have the TEA party (taxed enough already)  Had Reagan and Bush HW done their jobs properly.   

The TEA Party arose out of a lack of serious action in Washington to control the spending. 




  It would have made his skin crawl.   You have to make conservatism and free market economics work for the less fortunate,  not just shut the gummint down.


Well the first way you do that is to not give them free money that allows them to be lazy in life.   


I think Franklin had the right TEA Party idea about what to do regarding the poor.


Quote
“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”


The nation has gotten away from this wisdom,  and it all started with the 1964 vote buying scheme of Lyndon Johnson called "The War on Poverty." 


Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: DiogenesLamp on April 27, 2017, 12:11:20 am
Taxes to support social programs really aren't what's pecking us to death, it's regulations and attendant compliance costs that keep businesses from growing and hiring and banks from lending.


I keep wanting to give you a break and skip replying to you in favor of replying to someone else,   but I keep finding opinions in your commentary which I regard as incorrect or objectionable.   


We spent 21 trillion dollars on the "War on Poverty",   and that's just in counted Federal expenditures.   The cost to society of the Crime,  and WORSE,  the election of Democrats since 1964,  is nearly incalculable.   


We have an estimated 100 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities and an admitted 20 trillion dollar Debt.   


Our problem doesn't begin with regulations and easy money,  our problems began with irrational thinking in Washington,  especially as regards Federal spending and debt.   

A huge component of the output of this nation feeds those elite parasites who make their living off of Washington D.C.   All they want to do is keep their own gravy trains chugging. 


Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: DiogenesLamp on April 27, 2017, 12:14:51 am
Reagan was not a follower of John Maynard Keynes; that's why he didn't believe in more taxes and spending.  22222frying pan


To be fair to Keynes,  he didn't believe in it either.   He proposed it as a temporary measure to smooth out the normal boom and bust cycles of an economy.   He never intended for it to become a permanent component of economic policy.   


He expected the government to stop spending excessively when the bust cycle was over. 


Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: DiogenesLamp on April 27, 2017, 12:18:00 am
There were things he did I didn't agree with. It took a long time for the trickle down to reach the oil fields, going through a bust. I wasn't happy with Amnesty, but at least he didn't just ignore the issue. However, he was (especially in comparison to those who have followed) a person who loved his country, did his best, I believe, under the circumstances, and represented us well around the world. He rocked Eastern Europe, and after the wall came down, much changed there. Overall, he was one of the, if not the best POTUS of the 20th century.


He was hands down the best President of the 20th Century,  and I think the Best President since Washington. 


Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: edpc on April 27, 2017, 12:30:56 am
Do you think he would detest people with the TEA Party, as has been asserted here?

No, because on principle, he was against high taxation.  Problem is, the original intent of the group has been splintered and co-opted by others to the point where it's unrecognizable from its original form.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 27, 2017, 12:34:13 am

He was hands down the best President of the 20th Century,  and I think the Best President since Washington.

No no no no. There was only one President that cut the physical size of govt' and cut spending by 50%.....

(http://mrcapwebpage.com/VCSUSHISTORY/keepcoolwithcoolidge.jpg)
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Jazzhead on April 27, 2017, 12:51:12 am

He was hands down the best President of the 20th Century

That he was.  We'll not see his like again. 
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Sanguine on April 27, 2017, 12:53:09 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6XoAL-j2Ys
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 27, 2017, 02:27:18 am
No, because on principle, he was against high taxation.  Problem is, the original intent of the group has been splintered and co-opted by others to the point where it's unrecognizable from its original form.
The minute someone stepped forth to try and 'lead' a grassroots movement (just click on the donate button major credit cards accepted), the TEA party was beginning the end.
National soi disant apokespersons claimed to speak for everyone and promptly went off the rails. That did more damage to the movement than anything the press could throw at it (or leave out of the news--like 2 million in D.C.).
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 27, 2017, 03:18:36 am
This thread is the most that anyone has talked bout this loser Kasich in years. Maybe a Mod can lock it down to keep him from getting anymore buzz. It's the right thing to do for the health of our country.
(http://www.ipwatchdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/John_Kasich_by_Gage_Skidmorecopy.jpg)
"I know everyone hates me but I'm going to keep talking anyway."
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: mountaineer on April 27, 2017, 12:47:32 pm
On Kasich and taxes, from a WV perspective:
Quote
   
McElhinny: The roadmap to state budget options
By Brad McElhinny in News | April 27, 2017 at 1:49AM
WV Metro News (http://wvmetronews.com/2017/04/27/mcelhinny-the-roadmap-to-state-budget-options/)


If each state is a little federalist experiment then West Virginia has a lot of ongoing examples as it tries to figure out the proper budget for the coming year.

In neighboring Ohio, which rhymes with “bizarro,” Governor John Kasich and the Legislature represent something like the reverse of what’s going on in West Virginia.

Ohio is working on a two-year, $66.9 billion budget. West Virginia’s budget, passed a year at a time, is a little more than $4 billion.

Ohio has about $400 million less to spend than last year. West Virginia’s revenue gap is estimated to be a little more than $500 million.

Governor Kasich has proposed $3.1 billion in income tax cuts, offset by about $3.1 billion in other tax increases. House Republicans in Ohio killed Kasich’s tax package, which also included a severance tax on shale fracking.

Here, of course, it’s the Senate that wants to reduce income taxes, Governor Jim Justice who says other tax increases are a necessity and the House Republicans who are not wild about either of those ideas.

Republicans in Ohio’s House want to dedicate an additional $170 million over two years into battling that state’s drug crisis.

In West Virginia, Governor Justice ordered a state-of-emergency lantern to be lit to indicate his worry over the effects of potential cuts to the Department of Health and Human Resources. The budget he vetoed would have cut $140 million from the medical services line of DHHR.

In Ohio, House Republicans want to approve video poker at racetracks that have slot machines. Here, the Legislature voted to let dog tracks do away with dog racing but keep their slots. That was vetoed by the governor.

There are some echoes of West Virginia’s situation in Tennessee too.

Governor Bill Haslam, a Republican, sought and got legislative approval of a gas tax increase of 6 cents over three years to pay for longstanding transportation needs. Various fees on motor vehicles also would go up.

The bill – which Haslam calls the “Improving Manufacturing, Public Roads and Opportunities for a Vibrant Economy Act” – amounts to about $350 million for transportation improvements.

Here in West Virginia, Governor Justice wants to fund highways and bridge projects by increasing the gasoline tax, DMV fees and tolls. The Legislature passed a bill allowing a bond vote, but Justice is still pushing for straightforward passage of the increased taxes and fees to #FTDR.

Looking at what other states are doing, it’s pretty clear we aren’t reinventing the wheel in West Virginia.

It’s just that while other states are figuring out what to do, we’re alongside the road, with the car up on a jack, trying to get the wheel where it really ought to be.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Bigun on April 27, 2017, 12:57:40 pm
On Kasich and taxes, from a WV perspective:

If this were still a Constitutional Republic There would be no state of West Virginia. There would be only Virginia.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: mountaineer on April 27, 2017, 01:16:03 pm
If this were still a Constitutional Republic There would be no state of West Virginia. There would be only Virginia.
Yes, I understand there's a certain illegitimacy to our birth as a state, and yet we're here - wild, wonderful West Virginia!
Wild, wonderful impoverished and governed by a fool of a governor West By Gosh Virginia...
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: DiogenesLamp on April 27, 2017, 03:06:20 pm
No no no no. There was only one President that cut the physical size of govt' and cut spending by 50%.....

(http://mrcapwebpage.com/VCSUSHISTORY/keepcoolwithcoolidge.jpg)


That's good,  but I think winning the Cold War (with the potential to kill millions)   is more significant.   

The SDI program,  which Democrats and their media monkeys mocked relentlessly,   is what convinced the Russians that they needed to  negotiate for a more peaceful relationship with us. 

Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: DiogenesLamp on April 27, 2017, 03:07:51 pm
If this were still a Constitutional Republic There would be no state of West Virginia. There would be only Virginia.


Secession is only legal if the side with the most military power declares it to be legal. 

Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on April 27, 2017, 03:32:02 pm
You're confessing, aren't you, DC?
@DCPatriot
It's always THOSE people. Doesn't matter the problem somebody always knows just which group to blame and it's always somebody else. I have decided that attitude is more of a problem than THOSE people. Just my dos centavos.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: cato potatoe on April 27, 2017, 03:55:35 pm
That he was.  We'll not see his like again.

An articulate libertarian-conservative from California, with relevant experience and a pleasant demeanor?  He would not be nominated by today's GOP, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: DCPatriot on April 27, 2017, 04:17:45 pm
@DCPatriot
It's always THOSE people. Doesn't matter the problem somebody always knows just which group to blame and it's always somebody else. I have decided that attitude is more of a problem than THOSE people. Just my dos centavos.

From where I'm sitting, my guy is President today. 

And I've been 'fighting' forum wars going on twenty years.   With some of the same people, it seems.

So yeah.....it's THOSE people.    :laugh:
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Wingnut on April 27, 2017, 07:56:34 pm
No no no no. There was only one President that cut the physical size of govt' and cut spending by 50%.....

(http://mrcapwebpage.com/VCSUSHISTORY/keepcoolwithcoolidge.jpg)

So Coolidge put the Cool in Bondage!  who knew!

In the BDSM community, safe, sane and consensual (SSC) are common principles guiding relationships and activities.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Sanguine on April 27, 2017, 07:57:33 pm
So Coolidge put the Cool in Bondage!  who knew!

In the BDSM community, safe, sane and consensual (SSC) are common principles guiding relationships and activities.

I'm gonna bet that most of us didn't know that, Wingy.
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Wingnut on April 27, 2017, 07:59:27 pm
I'm gonna bet that most of us didn't know that, Wingy.

I am, if not anything, a fountain of information!  ^-^
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 27, 2017, 08:08:23 pm
I am, if not anything, a fountain of information!  ^-^

I'm still marveling at the Comic Sans font in the poster!
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: DCPatriot on April 27, 2017, 08:14:23 pm
I'm still marveling at the Comic Sans font in the poster!

A real "Buckhead" you are!   

 :beer:
Title: Re: Kasich won’t close door on 2020 presidential run
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 27, 2017, 08:27:58 pm
A real "Buckhead" you are!   

 :beer:

I've often been called something that rhymes with his name!

 :beer: