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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: EC on January 29, 2016, 04:16:35 pm
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The Republican front-runner was a no show, but competing cable news networks covered his event in Iowa.
Donald Trump may have been conspicuously absent, but Thursday night’s Republican debate on Fox News Channel nevertheless scored a 8.4 rating, according to preliminary numbers from Nielsen. That's higher than the preliminary rating for the last Republican debate, Jan. 14 on sister net Fox Business Network.
Meanwhile, all the other cable news networks were covering Trump's competing event in Iowa, during which Trump boasted he raised $5 million for veteran's charities. The final numbers will show how a Trump-less debate stacked up with Trump coverage on competing networks.
Fox News Channel still holds the record for debate ratings; 24 million tuned in to watch the first debate last August, after which Trump began targeting the network and anchor Megyn Kelly on social media and in myriad TV interviews. The last Republican debate on sister net Fox Business Network on Jan. 14, was watched by 11 million viewers.
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Moderated by Kelly, Bret Baier and Chris Wallace, Kelly opened the debate from the Iowa Events Center by addressing “the elephant not in the room” and asking Cruz what kind of message Trump’s absence sends to Iowa voters.
Cruz did not take the opportunity to bash his rival instead opting for an attempt at humor: “I’m a maniac, and everyone on this stage is stupid fat and ugly and Ben you’re a terrible surgeon. Now that we’ve gotten the Donald Trump portion out of the way…”
“I kind of miss Donald Trump,” Jeb Bush added. “I wish he were here.”
The seventh debate in a wildly unpredictable GOP contest was marked by days of headlines over Trump’s defection after a public dustup with Fox News when the Republican front-runner re-started his (one-sided) social media feud with Kelly days before the debate.
But many political insiders also surmised that Trump sought to avoid direct confrontations about his past statements, particularly his support of abortion. Super PACs have for days been running attack ads in which Trump declares in a 1999 interview that he is “very pro-choice in every respect.”
Read more: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tv-ratings-fox-news-debate-860284
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Thanks for sharing. I may see what the season over season comparison is. Do debates taper off in viewers or grow? That could put the high ratings in perspective.
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Last nights FOXNews debate got 12 million viewers. That's a 50% drop from previous debates with Donald Trump participating. How am I wrong?
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Last nights FOXNews debate got 12 million viewers. That's a 50% drop from previous debates with Donald Trump participating. How am I wrong?
According to this, the last debate only had 11 million viewers so this is an increase. 24 million was their record debate but trump was also in the last one so that's a direct comparison.
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Last nights FOXNews debate got 12 million viewers. That's a 50% drop from previous debates with Donald Trump participating. How am I wrong?
Wait for the final numbers to come out this afternoon. As I posted in the other thread, the overnight Neilson's place it (~8.4) below all of the other GOP debates this season except the Fox Business Network debate (~7.4) which is not a widely distributed outlet. And yes, the early estimate of ~12 million viewers is less than half of the 25 million viewers of the August FNC debate.
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Last nights FOXNews debate got 12 million viewers. That's a 50% drop from previous debates with Donald Trump participating. How am I wrong?
50% drop only way to figure BUT they are spinning that FOX got 13 Million as compared to, well NOTHING since they are not referencing the last Numbers. Advertising rates with TRUMP included were 750K per minute. When TRUMP decided not to show up rates fell 100K or less per minute. NOT a good NIGHT even with the SPINN RS and Redstate is trying to put on it. :silly:
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According to this, the last debate only had 11 million viewers so this is an increase. 24 million was their record debate but trump was also in the last one so that's a direct comparison.
Except that because of the Megyn Kelly controversy., FOXNews was expecting higher than what the got.
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Except that because of the Megyn Kelly controversy., FOXNews was expecting higher than what the got.
Plus, Fox News has a wider distribution than Fox Business. Factor in all the publicity leading up to the debate and I would expect that they would do MUCH better than Fox Business.
I watched the Trump Rally on a free channel on Roku - I doubt that my viewership will even be counted. Also, all the local channels covered it. It will be difficult to pin down Trump's numbers with as much accuracy as with the debate. Throw in what Trump was able to put together in 24 hours and we're looking at a guy that can get things done.
Don't want to forget mentioning that he also raised $6 million dollars in that 24 hours for our veterans!
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Plus, Fox News has a wider distribution than Fox Business. Factor in all the publicity leading up to the debate and I would expect that they would do MUCH better than Fox Business.
I watched the Trump Rally on a free channel on Roku - I doubt that my viewership will even be counted. Also, all the local channels covered it. It will be difficult to pin down Trump's numbers with as much accuracy as with the debate. Throw in what Trump was able to put together in 24 hours and we're looking at a guy that can get things done.
Don't want to forget mentioning that he also raised $6 million dollars in that 24 hours for our veterans!
Nah, Trump was just using veterans for his nefarious purposes. :silly:
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"we'll see how Fox does in its ratings with no Trump on stage. It will go back to one million people watching a debate that nobody cares about," Trump's campaign manager Corey Lewandowski told reporters Tuesday night."
Of all the people trump calls stupid, maybe he should include his own campaign manager. Oh and himself too, because he did say, "nobody is going to watch".
I watched, and it was nice not having the Trump distraction so I can compare the two candidates I am still considering, Cruz and Rubio.
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Is this better than their baseline Thursday ratings?
If so, then they did well.
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Last nights FOXNews debate got 12 million viewers. That's a 50% drop from previous debates with Donald Trump participating. How am I wrong?
They made an apples to oranges comparisons. It is technically true but lying by omission. Compared to the Fox Business debate they did fine. Problem is Fox Business has a MUCH smaller media foot print the Fox News. Fox News matching the numbers of Fox Business is actually very bad numbers since Fox News is sent out to many more households then Fox Business
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"we'll see how Fox does in its ratings with no Trump on stage. It will go back to one million people watching a debate that nobody cares about," Trump's campaign manager Corey Lewandowski told reporters Tuesday night."
Of all the people trump calls stupid, maybe he should include his own campaign manager. Oh and himself too, because he did say, "nobody is going to watch".
I watched, and it was nice not having the Trump distraction so I can compare the two candidates I am still considering, Cruz and Rubio.
Ah yes, Trump got local and national media coverage and the same number or more viewers while both Rubio and Cruz got slapped silly by the Fox Moderators "gotcha" fest.
yep, TRUMP really is the "stupid" one.
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They made an apples to oranges comparisons. It is technically true but lying by omission. Compared to the Fox Business debate they did fine. Problem is Fox Business has a MUCH smaller media foot print the Fox News. Fox News matching the numbers of Fox Business is actually very bad numbers since Fox News is sent out to many more households then Fox Business
Not to mention that all of the media buzz about the Megyn Kelly-Donald Trump feud should have brought in tons of new, curious viewers.
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Ah yes, Trump got local and national media coverage and the same number or more viewers while both Rubio and Cruz got slapped silly by the Fox Moderators "gotcha" fest.
yep, TRUMP really is the "stupid" one.
While the debate candidates on that stage slapped each other around suffering everything from minor lacerations to large sucking chest wounds, no one laid a glove on Donald Trump last night.
So who won? Trump. He was busy raising money for wounded warriors. Again, the win goes to Trump.
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They made an apples to oranges comparisons. It is technically true but lying by omission. Compared to the Fox Business debate they did fine. Problem is Fox Business has a MUCH smaller media foot print the Fox News. Fox News matching the numbers of Fox Business is actually very bad numbers since Fox News is sent out to many more households then Fox Business
Exactly right. An apples to apples comparison is Fox News to Fox News. I'd bet that shows a significant drop. A Fox News comparison with Fox Business news would need some serious adjustments to balance the fact that FBN's is seen in 18 million fewer homes. I also doubt Fox is looking too closely at C-Span numbers (they did a terrific job--right though the callers after the event)
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Exactly right. An apples to apples comparison is Fox News to Fox News. I'd bet that shows a significant drop. A Fox News comparison with Fox Business news would need some serious adjustments to balance the fact that FBN's is seen in 18 million fewer homes. I also doubt Fox is looking too closely at C-Span numbers (they did a terrific job--right though the callers after the event)
Based on the overnight's, the drop is less than half watched last night's FNC debate compared to the August 6 debate. It was the least watched of all the GOP debates this season, expect for the 7.4 that Fox Business garnered with its much lower rate of penetration as you point out. (C-SPAN is an unmetered outlet so there are no numbers to be collected.)
We should have more firm ratings very soon.
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While the debate candidates on that stage slapped each other around suffering everything from minor lacerations to large sucking chest wounds, no one laid a glove on Donald Trump last night.
So who won? Trump. He was busy raising money for wounded warriors. Again, the win goes to Trump.
last rep debate was on Fox business channel?
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"we'll see how Fox does in its ratings with no Trump on stage. It will go back to one million people watching a debate that nobody cares about," Trump's campaign manager Corey Lewandowski told reporters Tuesday night."
Of all the people trump calls stupid, maybe he should include his own campaign manager. Oh and himself too, because he did say, "nobody is going to watch".
I watched, and it was nice not having the Trump distraction so I can compare the two candidates I am still considering, Cruz and Rubio.
For some reason, last night's GOP debate looked like an important discussion of important issues and policies and not a 3rd Grade Christmas pageant with that one little boy who is always fidgeting, clowning and making faces to get attention.
I wonder what changed? Hmmm ... let me ponder this quandry.
What changed .... ???
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Is this better than their baseline Thursday ratings?
If so, then they did well.
Baseline Thursday nights for Kelly File is around 2 million and Hannity a little less.
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For some reason, last night's GOP debate looked like an important discussion of important issues and policies and not a 3rd Grade Christmas pageant with that one little boy who is always fidgeting, clowning and making faces to get attention.
I wonder what changed? Hmmm ... let me ponder this quandry.
What changed .... ???
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The viewership numbers.
:pondering:
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Trump-less debate is second-lowest rated of the primary
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/267497-trump-less-debate-is-second-lowest-rated-of-the-primary
Early Nielsen ratings show that Thursday night's Fox News debate was the second-lowest rated debate of the primary season, according to a CNN report.
Without Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump participating, the debate got an 8.4 Nielsen rating, according to the report.
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That's better than the previous debate hosted by Fox Business Network, which got a 7.4 rating. But that was a strong number for Fox Business Network, which is less widely available than Fox News and CNN.
Thursday's rating would be much smaller than the 15.9 rating for the first GOP debate hosted by Fox News in August.
Trump appeared at that debate and clashed memorably with moderator Megyn Kelly when she asked him about his comments regarding women. A record 25 million people tuned in for the debate.
there is it. 8.4 with more viewership then 7.4 foxbusnetwork.
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The viewership numbers.
:pondering:
Yeah, the clueless Trumpsters who watched the first debate were too paralyzed in joy by the announcement of the new "Celebrity Apprentice" contestants to dial into last night's debate.
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For some reason, last night's GOP debate looked like an important discussion of important issues and policies and not a 3rd Grade Christmas pageant with that one little boy who is always fidgeting, clowning and making faces to get attention.
I wonder what changed? Hmmm ... let me ponder this quandry.
What changed .... ???
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Poor little bot, his candidate sucks so bad he is reduced to posting infantile snarks about other candidates because he has nothing worthwhile he can post about his candidate
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so the numbers for FBN was 7.4 last time? I have DTV it has a active channel where you can see what people are watching in my time Pacific and then National. cspan was 3rd. gop debate was first each time I looked. I am curious to see the numbers for last night . did i read right? 11mil? I haven't read many posts yet......getting ready to snowblow my yard and road.
The Trump Rally was seen by people on Roku, CBS online, Cspan, Youtube and other venues - not to mention that all of the local affiliate channels in Iowa covered it - I don't think the those viewers were reflected in the numbers you were looking at. It will take more time to factor those numbers in - hopefully, someone is tallying all of those.
I'm sure Trump didn't get the 26 million viewers that he got in the first FOX debate - but neither did FOX. Even with all of the publicity about the Trump/Kelly feud.
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Yeah, the clueless Trumpsters who watched the first debate were too paralyzed in joy by the announcement of the new "Celebrity Apprentice" contestants to dial into last night's debate.
Ah yes keep the infantile snarks coming. Really "great" political tactics to scream bile laced tirades at people you want to vote for YOUR choice.
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Ah yes keep the infantile snarks coming. Really "great" political tactics to scream bile laced tirades at people you want to vote for YOUR choice.
Try making a case for Trump as an authentic conservative candidate - on a conservative website.
Then I'll take you and your pals seriously.
Until then I'm gonna ridicule and snark. He's a New York liberal. Period.
I don't expect you or the other spam monsters around here to ever make that case, so until then I'll introduce a candidate who, if still alive (RIP), you could REALLY get behind:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HMCnOpmbJQQ/hqdefault.jpg)
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Yeah, the clueless Trumpsters who watched the first debate were too paralyzed in joy by the announcement of the new "Celebrity Apprentice" contestants to dial into last night's debate.
I sense seething anger in that insulting post. Am I wrong?
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I sense seething anger in that insulting post. Am I wrong?
Of course you "sense" and "feel". You don't "think".
Liberal tendencies all.
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Of course you "sense" and "feel". You don't "think".
Liberal tendencies all.
How ever did I manage to acquire two advanced college degrees without any cognitive skills?
Thank you for pointing that out. My life makes sense to me now.
I used to admire your posts, Arn. Thus have our idols failed us.
Try geting a grip. Okay?
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How ever did I manage to acquire two advanced college degrees without any cognitive skills?
Thank you for pointing that out. My life makes sense to me now.
I used to admire your posts, Arn.
Try geting a grip. Okay?
Make the conservative case for Donald Trump.
This is a conservative website.
Who is he????
Who is he???
Let's be honest, this forum has been overrun by Trump mania and for the life of me - I can't figure it out. Scott Walker was my first choice, Rubio is second and Cruz is third. And I would be happy to defend those thoughts in thoughtful ways.
Trump has taken the chess board and dumped it over to a cheering throng. Okay, I get that viscerally, but at some point he has to step up and give a vision of what he's going to do, with whom, the next four-eight years if elected. It's crickets.
Make a case for Trump being a conservative in any way but his "I'm gonna do good deals for a change" shpiel and I'll be happy to join the march because God knows Hillary is going to be a disaster.
The energy behind this guy is troubling to me. Very troubling. It's Cult of Personality.
I lived in Minnesota through the Jessie Ventura mess. I don't want to see that extrapolated to our wonderful nation.
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Make the conservative case for Donald Trump.
This is a conservative website.
Who is he????
Who is he???
Let's be honest, this forum has been overrun by Trump mania and for the life of me - I can't figure it out. Scott Walker was my first choice, Rubio is second and Cruz is third. And I would be happy to defend those thoughts in thoughtful ways.
Trump has taken the chess board and dumped it over to a cheering throng. Okay, I get that viscerally, but at some point he has to step up and give a vision of what he's going to do, with whom, the next four-eight years if elected. It's crickets.
Make a case for Trump being a conservative in any way but his "I'm gonna do good deals for a change" shpiel and I'll be happy to join the march because God knows Hillary is going to be a disaster.
Honestly, the energy behind this guy is troubling to me. Very troubling.
I lived in Minnesota through the Jessie Ventura mess. I don't want to see that extrapolated to our wonderful nation.
That may be the source of our problem, friend. This site is open to all points of view.
Some of us are not afraid of listening to another POV.
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....by the way, Scott Walker was my first choice.
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That may be the source of our problem, friend. This site is open to all points of view.
Some of us are not afraid of listening to another POV.
But - that's my issue. I don't see a "point of view".
What is it?
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But - that's my issue. I don't see a "point of view".
What is it?
A record of winning tough negotiations against a slew of hostile negotiators, from U.S. and foreign governments, civic and environmental groups, all determined to stop his projects from moving forward. Yet, he wins them over, and the projects get done, on budget and on time, each and every time.
He wins negotiations – just look at what he's accomplished in this race. Trump came in saying he could win, and sure enough he is proving he just might succeed.
A record of winning, plus a 30-year open record (it's searchable) of support for veterans' causes and his plain, old-fashioned love of country. That's enough for me.
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About this cult of personality BS. The only thing I am mesmerized by is a Republican who is conservative on three core Republican issues: immigration, national security and jobs, who also happens to have a clear record of winning nearly every challenge he's faced.
So what's the problem?
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Make the conservative case for Donald Trump.
This is a conservative website.
Who is he????
Who is he???
Let's be honest, this forum has been overrun by Trump mania and for the life of me - I can't figure it out. Scott Walker was my first choice, Rubio is second and Cruz is third. And I would be happy to defend those thoughts in thoughtful ways.
Trump has taken the chess board and dumped it over to a cheering throng. Okay, I get that viscerally, but at some point he has to step up and give a vision of what he's going to do, with whom, the next four-eight years if elected. It's crickets.
Make a case for Trump being a conservative in any way but his "I'm gonna do good deals for a change" shpiel and I'll be happy to join the march because God knows Hillary is going to be a disaster.
The energy behind this guy is troubling to me. Very troubling. It's Cult of Personality.
I lived in Minnesota through the Jessie Ventura mess. I don't want to see that extrapolated to our wonderful nation.
This is a conservative website.
The name of this website is........GOP BRIEFING ROOM.
This is a REPUBLICAN website.
I support Trump. Trump is running in the REPUBLICAN party. I have as much right to be here and to comment as you do.
We've told you WHO he is and WHY we are supporting him over and over again. It is you who choose to ignore our rational statements of support.
Perhaps you should spend more time building up your candidate - I'm sure whoever that is would appreciate you putting in the time to help him/her - instead of wasting time directing commands and vitriol at other candidate's supporters.
Now, more than ever - YOUR candidate needs your passionate support. They are running out of precious time.
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The name of this website is........GOP BRIEFING ROOM.
This is a REPUBLICAN website.
I support Trump. Trump is running in the REPUBLICAN party. I have as much right to be here and to comment as you do.
We've told you WHO he is and WHY we are supporting him over and over again. It is you who choose to ignore our rational statements of support.
Perhaps you should spend more time building up your candidate - I'm sure whoever that is would appreciate you putting in the time to help him/her - instead of wasting time directing commands and vitriol at other candidate's supporters.
Now, more than ever - YOUR candidate needs your passionate support. They are running out of precious time.
I wouldn't consider support of Trump to be rational in any sense and nor in any sense is Trump a conservative. He is however running under the Republican umbrella.
I agree Alice that you have every right to post in this forum WITHOUT ridicule. It's been said before; ridicule the candidate, but don't ridicule the supporters.
Trump mania has not only hit this forum but the nation. I only hope that if he becomes our nominee ... that what he has stated for months that he says he will do, he does ... otherwise, we will have another repeat of Obama ... and I don't think our country will survive another 4 years of Obama. Honestly, I don't see much difference between Hillary and Trump...I believe they are working together. Just my opinion. This country needs a miracle; and Trump sure as heck isn't it.
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:amen:
I am conservative enough to recognize a smart and effective fighter who's solid on three issues important to turning this country around: immigration, national security and jobs.
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Trump mania? So that's what it's called when a subset of the Republican Party disagrees with the majority's choice in candidate. Mania?
It couldn't be that the party is in process of selecting the right candidate for president? No, it's mania. Trump supporters aren't stupid, they're "mesmerized."
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Trump is leading a path to some different thinking; a direction aimed at winning, not merely reciting nice patriotic platitudes.
All of this "last chance" talk ignores the many times in our history, when we overcame worse crises. Civil War, WWI, WWII, Cold War to name a few.
And political figures like FDR are routinely derided by "true conservatives" yet he was the man for the job, at a time the Republican Party had its collective heads in the sand (or worse places) with their non-intervention isolationism.
Then came Pearl Harbor and even the Republicans had to CHANGE.
We are in a time with an opportunity to CHANGE, and win instead of losing the popular vote like we have for the last 5 of 6 times.
I don't have a PhD but there are at least two people here, that can grasp the phenomenon of thinking outside the box, e.g. Trump.
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:amen:
I am conservative enough to recognize a smart and effective fighter who's solid on three issues important in turning this country around: immigration, national security and jobs.
It's easy to be an 'effective' fighter when you have the media in your pocket and billions of dollars. He states issues, but if asked questions his answers are never in depth ... he only repeats the same unsubstantial response. He has done nothing to prove that he will do what he says. It is blatantly obvious to me, that he is only saying what he knows people want to hear. His interviews are the same, he just repeats the same lines over and over, and when asked how, he never answers how, but repeats that's what he'll do...never going into depth on an issue. Oh, and did I mention ... when he runs out of his repeated lines, then he goes on to say, how great he is.
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All of this "last chance" talk ignores the many times in our history, when we overcame worse crises. Civil War, WWI, WWII, Cold War to name a few.
Oh, really?
Did we have tens of trillions of dollars in debt at any of those times? Did we have a population so dependent on government benefits that they have no freedom? Did we have a society that as a whole blatantly rejects the difference between man and woman, and their roles in the continuance of the species? World Wars I and II were both fights we never had to take on, but we did anyway and bailed Europe out of their messes. In the Cold War, we had one of the strongest economies in the world. A man could make a living for his family without a college education. No one could doubt our strength as a nation, despite any troubles we may have had.
Now, that same man could barely make a living for himself even WITH a college education, and his would-be wife would probably be dating another woman. We are a much weaker nation than we were back then. I remember hearing the old 1971 commentary when Gordon Sinclair published The Americans, his classic commentary reminding the world of how great of a role the American people had in the world: I laugh now because so much of the world Sinclair describes has disappeared. Japanese now make our cars. Europeans (Airbus) make our planes. Red Chinese make our ubiquitous cell phones. South Asian countries make our clothes. Arab states, many of whom harbor our fiercest enemies, sell us their oil. We still can grow our own food, thank God, but that's about it anymore. Our youth expect white-collar, middle-class service jobs that never existed in great quantities and are now overloaded with college graduates clamoring for them, forcing them to take jobs in low-wage retail. Entrepreneurial spirit is being crushed under regulations and agenda-pushing crusaders.
150 years ago, we fought a war over slavery and its role in this country, one that rightfully and ultimately led to its abolition. Now we find ourselves walking right back into a slave state willingly. The government now owns us.
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About this cult of personality BS. The only thing I am mesmerized by is a Republican who is conservative on three core Republican issues: immigration, national security and jobs, who also happens to have a clear record of winning nearly every challenge he's faced.
So what's the problem?
Those are my three issues as well, and since Cruz was dumb enough to walk into that trap last night, he's finished, and as soon as that becomes a reality I will proudly support Trump to be the GOP candidate.
What I find frustrating are the posters who think he's lying about his intentions. Anyone who has followed Trump's public life knows he follows through on his words. His reputation in the world of business is impeccable, if not feared at times, because of the brutal and honest manner in which he negotiates.
He wasn't afraid of Megyn Kelly. His street-smarts told him that last night's debate a was set-up for Little Jebbie to shine, and the staged questioners, along with Kelly's lies about Cruz and immigration, was an ambush. Had Trump been there, they both would have been ambused.
Very disappointed in Ted today, frankly.
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Trump's winning, so why all the whining from the Trump supporters? They should be pleased about how their Dear Leader is doing, so why the anger at those who don't want to drink from the poison cup?
Trump supporters want to win, and they want respect. I'm so sorry they can't have both.
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Let's be honest, this forum has been overrun by Trump mania and for the life of me - I can't figure it out. The energy behind this guy is troubling to me. Very troubling.
Big whoop. Have you ever heard about this:
Circa 1979: Many were upset with the mania and energy behind a guy----a former actor who was pro-abortion and an ex-union chief; who cheated on his wife before divorcing her; and then had a string of affairs with young starlets before finally remarrying four years later to have two kids who would each spend a decade without talking to or even about him.
Other than a stint as California's governor, there were no real accomplishments he could point to. And he was old--really, really old.
But this man connected with the American people--stepped over and kicked through the media pundits--and went on to be elected POTUS with 489 electoral votes, winning 44 American states (he would improve on these numbers four years later).
Those who voted for him were: 23% Independent, 28% Republican and 43% Democrat.
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Oh, really?
Did we have tens of trillions of dollars in debt at any of those times? Did we have a population so dependent on government benefits that they have no freedom? Did we have a society that as a whole blatantly rejects the difference between man and woman, and their roles in the continuance of the species? World Wars I and II were both fights we never had to take on, but we did anyway and bailed Europe out of their messes. In the Cold War, we had one of the strongest economies in the world. A man could make a living for his family without a college education. No one could doubt our strength as a nation, despite any troubles we may have had.
Now, that same man could barely make a living for himself even WITH a college education, and his would-be wife would probably be dating another woman. We are a much weaker nation than we were back then. I remember hearing the old 1971 commentary when Gordon Sinclair published The Americans, his classic commentary reminding the world of how great of a role the American people had in the world: I laugh now because so much of the world Sinclair describes has disappeared. Japanese now make our cars. Europeans (Airbus) make our planes. Red Chinese make our ubiquitous cell phones. South Asian countries make our clothes. Arab states, many of whom harbor our fiercest enemies, sell us their oil. We still can grow our own food, thank God, but that's about it anymore. Our youth expect white-collar, middle-class service jobs that never existed in great quantities and are now overloaded with college graduates clamoring for them, forcing them to take jobs in low-wage retail. Entrepreneurial spirit is being crushed under regulations and agenda-pushing crusaders.
150 years ago, we fought a war over slavery and its role in this country, one that rightfully and ultimately led to its abolition. Now we find ourselves walking right back into a slave state willingly. The government now owns us.
I am grateful I don't hold your depressingly dismal worldview. Obviously your glass is always half-empty.
My glass is always nearly full. I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Big whoop. Have you ever heard about this:
Circa 1979: Many were upset with the mania and energy behind a guy----a former actor who was pro-abortion and an ex-union chief; who cheated on his wife before divorcing her; and then had a string of affairs with young starlets before finally remarrying four years later to have two kids who would each spend a decade without talking to or even about him.
Other than a stint as California's governor, there were no real accomplishments he could point to. And he was old--really, really old.
But this man connected with the American people--stepped over and kicked through the media pundits--and went on to be elected POTUS with 489 electoral votes, winning 44 American states (he would improve on these numbers four years later).
Those who voted for him were: 23% Independent, 28% Republican and 43% Democrat.
OK, let's play this game.
1933. Germany is reeling from hyperinflation and massive sanctions put on them by the French. They turn to a guy, a former World War I veteran and painter who didn't have much political experience at all, but he did have a great deal of passion and could work a crowd like no other. He promised to restore Germany to its former greatness and drive out foreign influence.
Of course, that man was Adolf Hitler.
My point is not to compare Trump with Hitler, but to prove a point (and yes, I invoked Godwin's Law to do it, so sue me) that you can compare anyone to anything.
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OK, let's play this game.
1933. Germany is reeling from hyperinflation and massive sanctions put on them by the French. They turn to a guy, a former World War I veteran and painter who didn't have much political experience at all, but he did have a great deal of passion and could work a crowd like no other. He promised to restore Germany to its former greatness and drive out foreign influence.
Of course, that man was Adolf Hitler.
My point is not to compare Trump with Hitler, but to prove a point (and yes, I invoked Godwin's Law to do it, so sue me) that you can compare anyone to anything.
And on the opposing side during WWII were FDR and Churchill, who also used the strength of personality, optimism, along with nationalism, patriotism, offer of a better future, etc.
Glass half-empty, vs. glass full.
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Big whoop. Have you ever heard about this:
Circa 1979: Many were upset with the mania and energy behind a guy----a former actor who was pro-abortion and an ex-union chief; who cheated on his wife before divorcing her; and then had a string of affairs with young starlets before finally remarrying four years later to have two kids who would each spend a decade without talking to or even about him.
Other than a stint as California's governor, there were no real accomplishments he could point to. And he was old--really, really old.
But this man connected with the American people--stepped over and kicked through the media pundits--and went on to be elected POTUS with 489 electoral votes, winning 44 American states (he would improve on these numbers four years later).
Those who voted for him were: 23% Independent, 28% Republican and 43% Democrat.
The parallels are stark.
Granted, Trump probably hasn't spent much time in contemplation over deep conservative philosophical principles, nor can we expect a treatise on Friedrich Hayek from Trump anytime soon.
But, that's not what I'm hiring Trump to do. I want three simple things from Trump: get a handle on immigration, beef up national security and help create an environment for job growth.
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Numbers update on last nights debate..............
GOP debate second highest rated show in FOX News history
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/01/29/gop-debate-second-highest-rated-show-in-fox-news-history/?intcmp=hpbt3
Thursday night’s Republican presidential debate on FOX News Channel scored 12.5 million viewers, making it the second-highest rated telecast in the network’s history.
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OK, let's play this game.
No, I must stop you. I cannot allow you to compare--in any way-- Ronald Reagan with Adolf Hitler.
Go outside and get some fresh air. **nononono*
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Numbers update on last nights debate..............
GOP debate second highest rated show in FOX News history
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/01/29/gop-debate-second-highest-rated-show-in-fox-news-history/?intcmp=hpbt3
Thursday night’s Republican presidential debate on FOX News Channel scored 12.5 million viewers, making it the second-highest rated telecast in the network’s history.
The debate they had that Trump was in got twice as many viewers as that.
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The debate they had that Trump was in got twice as many viewers as that.
It was also the very first one, where "Look at the elephants" comes into play.
I'm willing to bet (though not willing to do the research, I'm tired and hate numbers) that if you graph out the viewer numbers per debate, the graph will be the same shape no matter which televised primary season you pick.
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Trump supporters want to win, and they want respect. I'm so sorry they can't have both.
With this post, you deserve zero respect in return from any Trump supporters.
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With this post, you deserve zero respect in return from any Trump supporters.
I understand where jazz is coming from. It's hard to see Donald Trump as being "presidential." Mainly because he's not doing the politicians' typical kabuki dance.
But, based on his record, events will happen on Trump's terms, Trump's timetable--not the media's nor the RNC's.
We are dealing with a different breed of candidate here. That's why I think he's likely to win the nomination and the presidential election.
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I understand where jazz is coming from. It's hard to see Donald Trump as being "presidential." Mainly because he's not doing the typical politician kabuki dance.
But, based on his record, events will transpire Trump's terms, Trump's timetable--not the media's nor the RNC's.
We are dealing with a different breed of candidate here. That's why I think he's likely to win the nomination and the presidential election.
At that point the GOPe/Dem conglomerate will do everything they can to regain power. Hopefully the Dems nominate either the laughable Sanders or the insane Clinton and Trump wins in a landslide. This would give him a mandate as the public spits in the face of the One Party DC elites. I actually have to give Democrats credit for staying true to their policies. The GOPe is more concerned about keeping control of the party than they are actually winning the presidency. Thankfully many of us long-time party loyalists are finally sick and tired of the lies and the caving in to every Dem demand solely because the media will be mean to them.
Then these same people accuse Trump of being afraid of Megyn Kelly. It's so fun to witness.
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It was also the very first one, where "Look at the elephants" comes into play.
I'm willing to bet (though not willing to do the research, I'm tired and hate numbers) that if you graph out the viewer numbers per debate, the graph will be the same shape no matter which televised primary season you pick.
Maybe. But this debate was hardly an ordinary debate in terms of being able to graph it like the others that preceded it in the same time period.
This debate was a highly publicized feud with the front-runner refusing to participate. I don't remember that happening before. That really puts it in a little different light to try to say people are just worn out from all the debates.
It's fascinating to me, watching people explain the numbers. I don't know why it would kill people to admit that Trump didn't hurt himself as was predicted. Don't know why it would hurt to give him credit for raising a lot of money for a good cause - instead of walking into an obvious set-up as Cruz discovered for himself.
Trump was right - this was not a fair and balanced debate and I think it was that silly tweet about Putin that really sealed it. To do that before a debate and expect the target of your mockery to be delighted to come and be mocked some more - stretches the imagination.
I give other candidates credit when they are right, that doesn't take anything away from my support for someone else. Any of them would be better than Hillary or Bernie. I'm really mystified by this.
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I am grateful I don't hold your depressingly dismal worldview. Obviously your glass is always half-empty.
My glass is always nearly full. I wouldn't have it any other way.
And that's why you don't see the problems in America. You are a modern-day Pat Paulsen, responding to any criticism with "picky, picky" brush-offs, pooh-pooh's. Come to think of it, the Trump base pretty much acts the same way. Is it any wonder why this country is such a bunch of sissies?
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And that's why you don't see the problems in America. You are a modern-day Pat Paulsen, responding to any criticism with "picky, picky" brush-offs, pooh-pooh's. Come to think of it, the Trump base pretty much acts the same way. Is it any wonder why this country is such a bunch of sissies?
I'll be Pat Paulsen. I will need to take my time to decide what I will call you, in return.
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With this post, you deserve zero respect in return from any Trump supporters.
Understood. I know I'm hitting hard. Trump is a dangerous man. You support a dangerous man.
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:facepalm2:
Doh!
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Understood. I know I'm hitting hard. Trump is a dangerous man. You support a dangerous man.
You know, not every politician/candidate/president should be considered an existential threat to our freedoms. Okay, except for Obama, Clinton, the democrats and 14/16th of the republicans.
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Understood. I know I'm hitting hard. Trump is a dangerous man. You support a dangerous man.
Jazzhead, would you please tell me who you support in the next presidential election?
Thank you. I'm just curious.
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Understood. I know I'm hitting hard. Trump is a dangerous man. You support a dangerous man.
Just wondering, do you happen to know him personally? I ask because there are many people who do, that are more than willing to talk about him, and they tell a remarkably different story about him. It appears that those who speak of him anywhere near the way you do are largely Democrats (like Hillary, for example) and other political opponents.
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Don't want to forget mentioning that he also raised $6 million dollars in that 24 hours for our veterans!
Hey Alice!!! There are a lot of mean and angry things I'd like to say to Trump face to face, but tonight I'd say...
(in a subdued and quiet mutter) thank you for supporting our troops.
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Of course you "sense" and "feel". You don't "think".
Liberal tendencies all.
My friend, it is delightful to see you posting here tonight. I share your frustration with Trump supporters. Take a breath, and remember that the handful of Trump voters, who post here, are not going to elect anyone. Aligncare, Carling, alicewonders, Truth_Seeker, Scottftlc, and the other Trump supporters are smart people who love America, and they have chosen Trump for valid and thoughtful reasons. We can disagree and the validity of those reasons, but don't fool yourself into thinking they are liberal, or that they can be shamed into giving up on Trump. Try another tact.
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That's all we're saying.... :patriot:
A selfless post from one of our fine TBR friends... always willing to steady the boat. :beer:
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My friend, it is delightful to see you posting here tonight. I share your frustration with Trump supporters. Take a breath, and remember that the handful of Trump voters, who post here, are not going to elect anyone. Aligncare, Carling, alicewonders, Truth_Seeker, Scottftlc, and the other Trump supporters are smart people who love America, and they have chosen Trump for valid and thoughtful reasons. We can disagree and the validity of those reasons, but don't fool yourself into thinking they are liberal, or that they can be shamed into giving up on Trump. Try another tact.
I would like to personally thank you, once-ler, for the very fine compliment. The sentiments are most definitely returned.
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Hey Alice!!! There are a lot of mean and angry things I'd like to say to Trump face to face, but tonight I'd say...
(in a subdued and quiet mutter) thank you for supporting our troops.
:patriot:
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Trump is leading a path to some different thinking; a direction aimed at winning, not merely reciting nice patriotic platitudes.
All of this "last chance" talk ignores the many times in our history, when we overcame worse crises. Civil War, WWI, WWII, Cold War to name a few.
And political figures like FDR are routinely derided by "true conservatives" yet he was the man for the job, at a time the Republican Party had its collective heads in the sand (or worse places) with their non-intervention isolationism.
Then came Pearl Harbor and even the Republicans had to CHANGE.
We are in a time with an opportunity to CHANGE, and win instead of losing the popular vote like we have for the last 5 of 6 times.
I don't have a PhD but there are at least two people here, that can grasp the phenomenon of thinking outside the box, e.g. Trump.
I think the same thing. We have gone from bad to worse in the last 12 years let's give somebody else a chance and that could be Trump!!!!!
We can't go with the status quo.
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This debate was a highly publicized feud with the front-runner refusing to participate. I don't remember that happening before. That really puts it in a little different light to try to say people are just worn out from all the debates.
Historically, the last debate before voting is the highest watched debate. So this fact alone should have blown the roof off the ratings for Thursday's debate.
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Question. How many people here supported Rudy Giuliani's run for president? I sure did--which support forced me to flee Free Republic during the terrible purge.
But, Giuliani is a tough, smart leader. He would have made a great president.
However, because of the RNC's ancient seniority promotion system for selecting our next candidate, instead of finding the BEST candidate, it was a fait accompli our nominee was to be John McCain. How did that work out?
Anyway, Giuliani has close friendships with four of the candidates, with Trump being one of his closest. But, Giuliani has not endorsed a candidate yet and because of his close friendships he says he's torn, but leaning toward endorsing Donald Trump.
If he does endorse Trump it will turn New York State RED. In fact, because Rudy Giuliani is considered a god in NYC, Donald Trump turns NYC RED! How's that! Name another candidate besides Donald Trump who could turn New York City RED?