General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: Drago on March 26, 2024, 07:00:26 am
Title: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Drago on March 26, 2024, 07:00:26 am
The Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore, Maryland which crosses the Patapsco River has reportedly collapsed within the last few minutes after being struck by a large container ship...
Rescue workers in Baltimore are searching for as many as seven people after a major bridge in the city's port was struck by a container ship early Tuesday, officials said. It is an "active search and rescue" situation, the city's fire chief said, and the number of missing people could change.
Two people have been saved from the water so far, Baltimore Fire Department Chief James Wallace said.
Video shows the collapse of the 1.6-mile-long, four-lane bridge after it was hit by the vessel. An official told CNN conditions were unsafe for rescuers due to objects hanging from the structure, freezing conditions and limited visibility.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 26, 2024, 11:22:37 am
Stickied....
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: American Girl on March 26, 2024, 11:48:42 am
Why does it look like it intentionally turned right into the support column? From this video, it looks like he adjusted the course into the bridge support accelerated and turned off most lights.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: catfish1957 on March 26, 2024, 11:50:03 am
Shocking
I have now watched that video 20 times now, and something doesn't seem right. The nature of it collapsing within seconds doesn't seem right. Even as a suspension bridge, a more likely outcome would seem that this thing would have fallen in segments.
I am not a civil engineer, but outside some serious structural maintenance or design issue, this should have been confined within the piers struck. In most areas of engineering, design and response are governed around doing exercises utilizing risk assessments nd worst case scenarios. Was it underdesigned? Failings in maintenance?
Not trying to stir up conspiracy theories this early on, but something doesn't seem to add up.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Gefn on March 26, 2024, 11:57:48 am
White House says Baltimore bridge collapse was NOT terrorism and reveals there's 'no indication' it was intentional - as rescuers race to pluck survivors from the freezing river
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Gefn on March 26, 2024, 11:59:26 am
Rescuers scramble to save dozens including 20 construction workers after Baltimore's colossal Key Bridge collapsed when container ship crashed into it flinging 'multiple' cars and a semi-truck into the river amid fears of mass casualties
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escue workers in Baltimore are working furiously in an attempt to save the lives of dozens of people who were plunged into the frigid waters of the Patapsco River when the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapsed after being hit by a container ship.
Initial reports indicate that at least a dozen cars hit the 47 degree water in addition to a 20 or so construction workers who were working on the bridge at the time. The workers were pouring concrete on to the bridge at the time of crash.
At the first press conference around 6:30 am, Baltimore Fire Chief James Wallace could only confirm that two people were pulled from the water. One was unhurt, the other had to be rushed to a local hospital with 'serious injuries.'
Wallace said that workers are looking for 'upwards of seven' people but that the number of missing could change as the collapse is a 'very large incident.' The chief called the efforts a 'search and rescue' operation.
The Greens will sue the EPA to keep the port closed to restore the ecosystem and the EPA will settle.
Blowing up infrastructure has long been a mode of operation of for eco-terrorist, especially in the Pacific Northwest. I think there is a zero chance of terroism this time, due to timing (middle of the night). And as radical as the present EPA, they know that closing Baltimore's Harbor is a bad political move, especially in an election year.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Timber Rattler on March 26, 2024, 12:20:30 pm
I have now watched that video 20 times now, and something doesn't seem right. The nature of it collapsing within seconds doesn't seem right. Even as a suspension bridge, a more likely outcome would seem that this thing would have fallen in segments.
I am not a civil engineer, but outside some serious structural maintenance or design issue, this should have been confined within the piers struck. In most areas of engineering, design and response are governed around doing exercises utilizing risk assessments nd worst case scenarios. Was it underdesigned? Failings in maintenance?
Not trying to stir up conspiracy theories this early on, but something doesn't seem to add up.
A moving containership has thousands of tons of momentum when in motion, so taking out the bridge by striking one of its central piers would have been like a bowling ball knocking over pins.
In watching video of the ship just before the accident, it appears to have lost power twice, with the lights going on and off. See here:
A moving containership has thousands of tons of momentum when in motion, so taking out the bridge by striking one of its central piers would have been like a bowling ball knocking over pins.
In watching video of the ship just before the accident, it appears to have lost power twice, with the lights going on and off. See here:
I understand the "bowling ball" concept. But the almost simutaneous nature of the fall seemed odd. Also I have seen films of planned demos, where the destruction had to be staged, because of the inherent engineering criteria had a margin of safety and of over-design.
In the petrochemical industry we incorprated Proocess Safety Managment, that incorporated as oone aspect design standards for worst case scenarios. I am sure the bridge industry has something similar to mitigate not only preventing adverse events, but it's level of impact.
Just my $.02
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mystery-ak on March 26, 2024, 12:58:05 pm
Who was up at 1:30am taping this video?
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Polly Ticks on March 26, 2024, 01:03:08 pm
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US Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg said on social media that he was in contact with the mayor of Baltimore and the governor of Maryland, and had offered federal help.
That should inspire confidence that the situation is under control. *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Lando Lincoln on March 26, 2024, 01:09:24 pm
The path of the vessel, as depicted here, does make you go, “hmmm”.
A moving containership has thousands of tons of momentum when in motion, so taking out the bridge by striking one of its central piers would have been like a bowling ball knocking over pins.
In watching video of the ship just before the accident, it appears to have lost power twice, with the lights going on and off. See here:
After watching a few other angles, it seems. a bit more plausible. Think truss span design was deficient. Bridge was built in 1977, and don't know if alternatives were considered. If the structure had been built more like a full concrete causway, I think the results would have been drasatically less disastrous.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mystery-ak on March 26, 2024, 01:22:22 pm
Probably a fixed, continuous recording station to monitor shipping traffic.
Was thinking the navigator tried to avoid crashing into the middle of a span and purposefully steered toward the concrete support, thinking it might absorb a lot of the impact.
We all know that short of dropping anchors immediately, you're not going to stop the ship.
Then people online starting suggesting "terrorism"...because until they clear the Patapsco River now, all shipping is halted.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: the OlLine Rebel on March 26, 2024, 02:32:56 pm
Ok, local here. I’m about a half hour away. Didn’t know about this until this morning. 6:30 I heard radio guys talking as if something closed the bridge. Didn’t think much of it. Then wake up later 9:30 hear a ship hit the Key and brought it down.
First off, enough with the 2nd-guessing the engineering, etc. I was an engineer, though not civil, just mechanical. Simply speaking you can only design for so much. World Trade Center wasn’t designed for large airplanes full of fuel deliberately charging for it. The piers are a “key” structure for a bridge. Bring it down and likely the whole thing comes down. Who cares about the timing? This was a truss bridge, not a suspension. Either way, the manner it is designed, supported, and hit with what huge thing can affect how quickly it all falls. There are so many factors. Why call everyone into doubt?
Terrorism? No way. Just a huge ship, not at all uncommon here, losing its way and having massive momentum, and exerting massive force when it hits.
The film comes from several points which film in that direction. I can’t remember if they said Ft. Smallwood or Ft. Armistead. There is also supposed to be helicopter footage. I think you can see it going by just before the collapse.
As far as cars - when I saw the full wide angle, it did not look like any passing cars were even on the end of the bridge at the exact time it collapsed. Plenty before that, and the vehicles there were likely the work trucks as I heard about crew being on it and thus the workers who walked out of the water. There have been reports that somehow people were trying to stop traffic from getting on. Apparently JUST in time, because the few seconds before it struck zero moving cars were on it. So likelY indeed only workers were involved, of which now they say are 8.
All I had heard early this morning was that the bridge was closed….thought maybe an accident or some other safety inspection closed it. But they were right, this is going to mess up some traffic for a long time. Key bridge is part of the beltway. Went over it on the “Trump Train” back in 2020.
My biggest question would be, why do we rely so much on electrical? Or did the mechanical actually fail and thus the electrical went out? I don’t know how some of these modern ships are built. I’d imagine the engines usually create the electrical, but maybe just battery banks that have generators to re-stock them. If it was really 1 screw (someone mentioned this) and it really ran on electric, that may not be enough redundancy.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mystery-ak on March 26, 2024, 02:33:46 pm
Press conference stated they don't think there were cars on the bridge at the time of the crash...just the work crew on the bridge.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: the OlLine Rebel on March 26, 2024, 02:37:57 pm
Was thinking the navigator tried to avoid crashing into the middle of a span and purposefully steered toward the concrete support, thinking it might absorb a lot of the impact.
We all know that short of dropping anchors immediately, you're not going to stop the ship.
Then people online starting suggesting "terrorism"...because until they clear the Patapsco River now, all shipping is halted.
I don’t think they’d be stupid enough todo that. That is THE structure of the bridge, and their ship is gigantic with movement. It’s not a small yacht. Hitting the span isn’t as disastrous, hopefully, because likely only part of the truss or just that span would go down.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: catfish1957 on March 26, 2024, 02:40:53 pm
First off, enough with the 2nd-guessing the engineering, etc. I was an engineer, though not civil, just mechanical. Simply speaking you can only design for so much. World Trade Center wasn’t designed for large airplanes full of fuel deliberately charging for it. The piers are a “key” structure for a bridge. Bring it down and likely the whole thing comes down. Who cares about the timing? This was a truss bridge, not a suspension. Either way, the manner it is designed, supported, and hit with what huge thing can affect how quickly it all falls. There are so many factors. Why call everyone into doubt?
Also was an engineer, not civil, but environmental. I'll take your point, but do have to ask why wasn't this a causway rather than a truss, suspension, or whever. Seems the impact would have been more favorble, and damage localized instead of catistrophic. Seems risk assements would have meted that out.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: GtHawk on March 26, 2024, 02:46:42 pm
That should inspire confidence that the situation is under control. *****rollingeyes*****
:pondering: Buttjigger all of a sudden Johnny on the spot for a transportation disaster, why I wonder and then I realized that Maryland is heavily democrat and right next to to the grifter in chiefs Delaware. It would have to be something very political to get Buttjigger to stop his perceived job of social engineering and and (queer) advancement to doing his actual job so quickly.
Prayers to all the victims and their families.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: catfish1957 on March 26, 2024, 02:51:54 pm
:pondering: Buttjigger all of a sudden Johnny on the spot for a transportation disaster, why I wonder and then I realized that Maryland is heavily democrat and right next to to the grifter in chiefs Delaware. It would have to be something very political to get Buttjigger to stop his perceived job of social engineering and and (queer) advancement to doing his actual job so quickly.
Prayers to all the victims and their families.
I hope East Ohio and Western PA are watching closely. Pols tipping the scale based on red/blue doesn't fly.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: cato potatoe on March 26, 2024, 02:55:53 pm
The bridge is from the 70s, so my wild guess is a replacement was being considered, but redistributionist programs were prioritized. Measures could have been taken to protect the support beams ... i.e. structural dolphins similar to those surrounding the Sunshine Skyway after its collapse in 1980.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Timber Rattler on March 26, 2024, 03:10:10 pm
Former merchant mariner and current history professor Sal Mercogliano has a great channel and is providing expert coverage and analysis of this accident.
Also was an engineer, not civil, but environmental. I'll take your point, but do have to ask why wasn't this a causway rather than a truss, suspension, or whever. Seems the impact would have been more favorble, and damage localized instead of catistrophic. Seems risk assements would have meted that out.
Don’t know why it would make much difference. The shipping lanes would still be blocked. The Patapsco here is very wide. Would a “causeway” allow height? Ships need to pass, and big ones. Causeways go over the swamps here leading to the up-river tunnel.
I’m not going to question too much why engineers did what they did. Especially when better generations were involved in it.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Lando Lincoln on March 26, 2024, 03:28:12 pm
The moment/inertia of many thousands of tons in motion impacting a fixed object - yikes. I have some river barge traffic “knowledge” which means little but I have wondered why more bridge columns and caissons aren’t buttressed with protection. Maybe Little Pete should think about that.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Wingnut on March 26, 2024, 03:46:40 pm
As a side note: I was living in Tampa, when almost 44 years ago (May 9, 1980) the M/V Summit Venture freighter collided with a support beam on the Skyway Bridge, connecting Lower Tampa Bay to St. Pete, sending a 1,200-foot section of the road into the water below. Thirty-five people were killed after six cars, a truck, and a Greyhound bus fell over 150 feet into the water.
As a side note: I was living in Tampa, when almost 44 years ago (May 9, 1980) the M/V Summit Venture freighter collided with a support beam on the Skyway Bridge, connecting Lower Tampa Bay to St. Pete, sending a 1,200-foot section of the road into the water below. Thirty-five people were killed after six cars, a truck, and a Greyhound bus fell over 150 feet into the water.
1. In what direction was the current/tide flowing?
2. With the loss of power aboard the ship, did the rudder turn/jam or get turned/jammed?
3. Is it possible to learn facts before conspiracy-theorizing? Waiting is less entertaining, of course.
A little wind from the port quarter could cause a vessel of that size to fall off to starboard if helm control were lost (that's a lot of sail area, there). I am not sure of the weather conditions.
I know it takes very little for small craft to do so, just from trying to keep lines from fouling each other when fishing and to maintain bearing and steerageway. While this vessel has considerably greater tonnage, it also has considerably greater 'sail' area.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 26, 2024, 03:52:23 pm
:pondering: Buttjigger all of a sudden Johnny on the spot for a transportation disaster, why I wonder and then I realized that Maryland is heavily democrat and right next to to the grifter in chiefs Delaware. It would have to be something very political to get Buttjigger to stop his perceived job of social engineering and and (queer) advancement to doing his actual job so quickly.
Prayers to all the victims and their families.
It's about halfway from DC to Delaware,and too close to his back yard to ignore. This will definitely affect traffic patterns for vehicle traffic, and closing the Port of Baltimore will lead to increased semi traffic as well (to try to replace shipping into Baltimore and out by shunting cargo to/from other ports). For all intents and purposes, Baltimore is blockaded.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mystery-ak on March 26, 2024, 04:04:09 pm
Civil engineer explains why Baltimore bridge so easily collapsed
The Francis Scott Key Bridge's collapse was all but inevitable once a cargo ship rammed into one of the bridge's main supports, according to one expert.
Shocking video shows the moment the bridge appears to snap and fall apart into the Patapsco River. Maryland officials have said there was no structural issues and that the bridge was fully up to code.
"Part of the problem was this was a massive tanker ship. It was not only carrying a very heavy load, but it was also not just wide, it was tall as well. So it was almost the height of the bridge," said Dr. Ron Harichandran, dean of the Tagliatela College of Engineering at University of New Haven.
Harichandran, a civil engineer, told Fox News Digital the cargo ship destroyed one of the concrete piers that supported the bridge, sealing its fate.
"If it had not directly hit that and if it had hit between the piers, the bridge may not have completely collapsed because bridges are designed to have some redundancy. But if you hit one of its main support structures, then it's very difficult for it to survive," he explained.
Modern designs have a sort of "bumper system" around the pier intended to absorb a potential impact, according to Harichandran.
"But again, you know, those can withstand limited amounts of impact, but it's something so massive in terms of cargo vessel. Nothing could be designed to withstand something as large as that." Posted by Chris Pandolfo
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 26, 2024, 04:04:11 pm
The moment/inertia of many thousands of tons in motion impacting a fixed object - yikes. I have some river barge traffic “knowledge” which means little but I have wondered why more bridge columns and caissons aren’t buttressed with protection. Maybe Little Pete should think about that.
It likely was buttressed, but with that much vessel bearing down, it would be like a freight train hitting a jersey barrier.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mystery-ak on March 26, 2024, 04:08:04 pm
The crew of the cargo ship that struck the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore lost power and issued a mayday in the moments before the disaster, Maryland Gov. Wes Moore said.
The container ship Dali sent the mayday in time for authorities to stop traffic from entering the bridge, limiting the number of vehicles involved in what officials have called a "mass casualty event."
"We're thankful that between the mayday and the collapse that we had officials who were able to begin to stop the flow of traffic so more cars were not on the bridge," Moore said.
Authorities said a crew of eight construction workers were on the bridge, in addition to any traffic at the time of the collapse.
Search and rescue operations pulled two workers from the water, one in critical condition who was hospitalized. Efforts to locate the other six are ongoing.
Authorities said that sonar had detected cars in the water, which is about 50 feet deep. The temperature was about 47 degrees Fahrenheit before dawn on Tuesday, according to a buoy that collects data for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
Moore said an investigation is ongoing to determine how many people were caught in the collapse and plunged into the river.
"But the thing we do know is that many of the vehicles were stopped before they got onto the bridge, which saved lives in a very, very heroic way." Posted by Chris Pandolfo
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: rustynail on March 26, 2024, 04:16:33 pm
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mystery-ak on March 26, 2024, 04:34:27 pm
Everything you need to know about the Francis Scott Key Bridge's collapse in Baltimore
The Dali, the Singapore-flagged container ship that smashed into the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore and destroyed it early Tuesday, reportedly lost propulsion and tried to warn officials that it was going to crash, according to a report. Six people are unaccounted for, according to authorities. Two people were pulled from the river by rescuers. Seven vehicles were missing after falling from the 1.6-mile-long span. Officials are using sonar technology to find the vehicles. Videos show power on the ship flickering off, and then on again, shortly before the crash. Watch footage of the bridge’s collapse here. A Baltimore resident described how the horrifying collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge early Tuesday morning caused his entire house to feel like it was falling down. The Dali was also involved in a collision while leaving the Port of Antwerp, Belgium, in 2016.
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Post by: mystery-ak on March 26, 2024, 04:38:18 pm
Biden to speak soon.. *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Lando Lincoln on March 26, 2024, 04:43:00 pm
Right. This is such a tragedy, no doubt Joe will turn it into comedic entertainment.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: bigheadfred on March 26, 2024, 04:49:23 pm
Collin Rugg @CollinRugg JUST IN: Officials stopped cars from crossing the Francis Scott Key Bridge just moments before the cargo ship collided, saving lots of lives.
According to Maryland Gov. Wes Moore, the ship issued a “mayday” call before colliding.
The workers on the bridge jumped into action and halted traffic, saving many lives.
“The ship issued a mayday loss of power. The workers on the bridge halted traffic right before impact. They saved lots of lives,” Moore said.
Six people remain missing. Two have been rescued and sent to the hospital.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: libertybele on March 26, 2024, 04:49:54 pm
2 minutes into his speech and I just can't watch 'Mumbles' anymore. Good thing he's been across that bridge many times *****rollingeyes***** Oh good.... Buttgig is on the scene. Yadda...yadda.. yadda....
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mystery-ak on March 26, 2024, 04:52:37 pm
... First off, enough with the 2nd-guessing the engineering, etc. I was an engineer, though not civil, just mechanical. Simply speaking you can only design for so much. World Trade Center wasn’t designed for large airplanes full of fuel deliberately charging for it. The piers are a “key” structure for a bridge. Bring it down and likely the whole thing comes down. Who cares about the timing? This was a truss bridge, not a suspension. Either way, the manner it is designed, supported, and hit with what huge thing can affect how quickly it all falls. There are so many factors. Why call everyone into doubt?
Terrorism? No way. Just a huge ship, not at all uncommon here, losing its way and having massive momentum, and exerting massive force when it hits. ....
Just to add a bit more context, the bridge was a ~1970 design, and thus designed for stresses foreseeable at the time. The ship that brought it down, apparently, was a modern container ship, possibly larger than the designers foresaw.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Timber Rattler on March 26, 2024, 04:56:52 pm
Just to add a bit more context, the bridge was a ~1970 design, and thus designed for stresses foreseeable at the time. The ship that brought it down, apparently, was a modern container ship, possibly larger than the designers foresaw.
Correct. Containerships of the 1970s were much smaller than the super ships of today. Personally, I think that the modern ones are way too big, such as the one that got stuck in the Suez Canal a few years back. But that's the economics of the 21st century maritime trade.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Wingnut on March 26, 2024, 04:56:54 pm
World Trade Center wasn’t designed for large airplanes full of fuel deliberately charging for it.
Actually, it was. For a steel-framed structure, they did a good job of protecting that steel from fire in the original design. That protection included an asbestos sheathing for the primary beams. Unfortunately, liberals got involved mid-construction by insisting that this asbestos sheathing be replaced with a new foam-type covering. This change was implemented around the 60th floor upward.
Anyone working in the WTC knew that if there was a fire above the 60th floor, they were screwed.
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Post by: Sighlass on March 26, 2024, 05:11:49 pm
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: cato potatoe on March 26, 2024, 06:39:58 pm
They will dig a tunnel with federal tax dollars, and open it in 12 years. Good luck with AMTRAK, y'all.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mystery-ak on March 26, 2024, 07:05:51 pm
Biden promises US government will pay for Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge reconstruction By Naomi Lim
President Joe Biden would like the federal government to pay for the reconstruction of Baltimore‘s Francis Scott Key Bridge despite its collapse being caused by a foreign container ship.
“I have directed my team to move heaven and earth to reopen the port and rebuild the bridge as soon as humanly possible,” Biden told reporters in the White House‘s Roosevelt Room Tuesday. “It’s my intention that the federal government will pay for the entire cost of reconstructing that bridge. And I expect Congress to support my effort.”
“To the people of Baltimore, we are with you. We will stay with you as long as it takes,” he said. “Like the governor said, you are Maryland tough, Baltimore strong. We will get through this together.”
Critics are poised to compare Biden’s announcement that he will travel to Baltimore “as soon as possible” to his response to East Palestine, Ohio. Shortly after the toxic train derailment last year, the president promised to visit the site, but he didn’t go until last month, coinciding with the first anniversary. East Palestine is in a Republican area of Ohio.
more https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/2938867/biden-promises-us-government-will-pay-baltimore-key-bridge-reconstruction/
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: the OlLine Rebel on March 26, 2024, 07:11:47 pm
Actually, it was. For a steel-framed structure, they did a good job of protecting that steel from fire in the original design. That protection included an asbestos sheathing for the primary beams. Unfortunately, liberals got involved mid-construction by insisting that this asbestos sheathing be replaced with a new foam-type covering. This change was implemented around the 60th floor upward.
Anyone working in the WTC knew that if there was a fire above the 60th floor, they were screwed.
No, it was not designed for large fully loaded airplanes flying full speed into it. It was designed for 707s but not the thought they’d be gunning it. Don’t know they’d assume full fueling either or where it hits. Just stating “airplane” engenders many factors that have to be assumed. You come up with reasonable scenarios, not outlandish insanity. Cost-benefit has to be employed. It cannot be avoided. There’s nothing wrong with that. Just that realize many things are not designed for insane scenarios.
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Post by: mountaineer on March 26, 2024, 07:18:18 pm
Needless to say, the tinfoil Q nuts are all over this. Yep, something's hinky. Yessirree.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: the OlLine Rebel on March 26, 2024, 07:22:57 pm
"If it had not directly hit that and if it had hit between the piers, the bridge may not have completely collapsed because bridges are designed to have some redundancy. But if you hit one of its main support structures, then it's very difficult for it to survive," he explained.
"But again, you know, those can withstand limited amounts of impact, but it's something so massive in terms of cargo vessel. Nothing could be designed to withstand something as large as that." Posted by Chris Pandolfo
Thank you. Totally sensible.
My extra note would be that the piers were not fully masonry all the way to the floor of the bridge. Above water was metal frame. That itself can also mean a little less strength if they were compromised.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: GtHawk on March 26, 2024, 07:43:20 pm
On March 23, 1977, the four-lane Francis Scott Key Bridge opened to traffic.The 1.6-mile bridge extended across the Baltimore Harbor and connected Sollers Point in Baltimore County with Hawkins Point in Baltimore City. This was also the final link in establishing the 52-mile Baltimore Beltway (Interstate 695).
Construction on the Francis Scott Key Bridge began in 1972. Including its connecting approaches, the bridge project was 10.9 miles in length. Other structures along the thruway include a .64-mile dual-span drawbridge over Curtis Creek and two .74-mile parallel bridge structures that carry traffic over Bear Creek, near Bethlehem Steel's Sparrows Point plant.
March 26 2024 it was destroyed.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: NavyCanDo on March 26, 2024, 08:44:02 pm
It Happens. The supply ship USS Waccamaw lost power and crashed into my ship the Saratoga while refueling us. No injuries but got us a nice extended stay in Sicily to repair the damage.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 26, 2024, 09:00:06 pm
It Happens. The supply ship USS Waccamaw lost power and crashed into my ship the Saratoga while refueling us. No injuries but got us a nice extended stay in Sicily to repair the damage.
Back in the 80's I knew a guy who served on the Sara.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mystery-ak on March 26, 2024, 09:35:08 pm
2 hours ago One body pulled from the water: report By Kaydi Pelletier
One body has been pulled from the water during the search and rescue mission to find at least six people missing after the Key bridge collapse overnight, a Baltimore City Council member told CNN Tuesday afternoon
"We are hearing one body was found,” Phylicia Porter said on CNN News Central.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Fishrrman on March 26, 2024, 10:10:41 pm
I spent a good deal of time today reading about the Baltimore bridge collapse (long thread over at t.o.s.).
And I read all the posts here.
And yet, NO ONE has raised the question: What can be done to prevent another collision like this in the future when a large ship loses control in the immediate vicinity of a critical bridge?
Back on the railroad, whenever there was a serious accident, you could count on the Federal Railroad Administration to issue some new rule or modification to existing rules (whether it was justified or not). The mindset amongst them seemed to be, "we MUST do something, anything!"
Train wrecks are also investigated by the National Transportation Safety Board, which makes its own recommendations (again, not always needed).
I don't know whether or not the NTSB investigates coastal shipping incidents like this. There will be some entity that does. And then, will issue recommendations or new regulations.
I have no experience with ships or the particulars of how they handle, so take the following with a grain of salt, and explain to me where I'm wrong...
So... considering the circumstances... a large ship loses power and navigational ability approaching a critical bridge... with little or no "onboard controls"... ... What additional actions might be taken to prevent a disaster?
Obviously, if the ship has no control or maneuverability, it's not going to be able to "save itself".
But... what if... in such circumstances, a large ship passing under such bridges was required to be accompanied by two (or more) tugboats, against the bow end on either side, assisting lightly...?
If the ship suffered a sudden loss of power, the tugs could "increase their assistance" and nudge the ship where it was supposed to be.
So I wouldn't be surprised to see the feds issue a new requirement that -- in lieu of a protective structure having been built around the main bridge piers (for an example of such, see the "doughnuts" that were built to protect the new Sunshine Skyway bridge in Tampa Bay), all ships over a certain size/tonnage will be accompanied by tugs until clearing "the outer buoys"... and arriving ships will be met there and "guided" all the way into dockside.
Once these existing bridges have had their piers sufficiently "protected", such escorts will no longer be required.
Again, I'm going to guess that there's going to be a lot of screaming to ensure that this "never happens again".
Just how are they going to do that?
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: berdie on March 26, 2024, 10:38:02 pm
Although this is a terrible event....why should Fed money for repair be involved?
Oh yeah...election year. 9999hair out0000
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 26, 2024, 10:38:25 pm
Extending the use of tugboats to the harbor exit would probably be the most expeditious thing, right now. I understand a lot of bridges now have fenders protecting the pylons but for some reason this bridge did not have them.
It's debatable if they are effective for cargo vessels this size. Newton's Laws of inertia cannot be denied. I don't think a reduction in vessel size is going to happen.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 26, 2024, 10:38:57 pm
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: rustynail on March 26, 2024, 10:43:49 pm
If we had just finished Biden's railroad to India and beyond this would have never happened.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Bigun on March 26, 2024, 11:10:04 pm
The only lead pipe sure way to make sure nothing like this ever happens again is to make sure all support columns are in water shallow enough to make sure that vessels run aground before they can do damage to them.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mystery-ak on March 27, 2024, 12:07:21 am
Six workers at Baltimore bridge collapse presumed dead, construction exec says
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Hoodat on March 27, 2024, 01:34:19 am
No, it was not designed for large fully loaded airplanes flying full speed into it. It was designed for 707s but not the thought they’d be gunning it. Don’t know they’d assume full fueling either or where it hits.
The bottom line is that an airplane hit each tower, and each withstood the impact. It was fire weakening the steel structure that brought the buildings down. Had they stuck with the original design, there wouldn't have been 3,000 casualties. The buildings would have stood a couple of hours longer, allowing more people to evacuate.
Just stating “airplane” engenders many factors that have to be assumed. You come up with reasonable scenarios, not outlandish insanity. Cost-benefit has to be employed. It cannot be avoided. There’s nothing wrong with that. Just that realize many things are not designed for insane scenarios.
Oh, I get it. Economics plays a primary role in engineering. I see it every day. No, it wasn't designed to withstand the impact of an aircraft. But it did. And conversely, it was designed to withstand a prolonged fire. But it didn't. It didn't because the original design was abandoned in the middle of construction.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 27, 2024, 02:10:42 am
They will dig a tunnel with federal tax dollars, and open it in 12 years. Good luck with AMTRAK, y'all.
No trains have ever used the Francis Scott Key Bridge. Strictly vehicle traffic. But the rest of the roads there are going to be a miserable trek, taking up the traffic the bridge moved around the city.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 27, 2024, 02:14:22 am
2 hours ago One body pulled from the water: report By Kaydi Pelletier
One body has been pulled from the water during the search and rescue mission to find at least six people missing after the Key bridge collapse overnight, a Baltimore City Council member told CNN Tuesday afternoon
"We are hearing one body was found,” Phylicia Porter said on CNN News Central.
The water is still cold. They will either have to recover vehicles with remains, or figure out where the floaters will wash up in a few days (how the tide runs and likely places for the bodies to ground). If anyone got tangled up in the ironwork, they might not be found, at least until it is removed.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Fishrrman on March 27, 2024, 02:18:07 am
Perhaps there shouldn't be a "replacement bridge" for the Key Bridge.
Instead, it might be time to consider a tunnel for that crossing.
Hazardous materials (that can't use a tunnel)??
Might be time for a supplemental ferry service to get them across...
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 27, 2024, 02:20:03 am
Although this is a terrible event....why should Fed money for repair be involved?
Oh yeah...election year. 9999hair out0000
I don't get it, @berdie. Maryland is already bought and paid for...but it is likely going to be a heavy hat tip to the longshoremen, ironworkers, etc...
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 27, 2024, 02:22:13 am
Extending the use of tugboats to the harbor exit would probably be the most expeditious thing, right now. I understand a lot of bridges now have fenders protecting the pylons but for some reason this bridge did not have them.
It's debatable if they are effective for cargo vessels this size. Newton's Laws of inertia cannot be denied. I don't think a reduction in vessel size is going to happen.
That was pretty much a head-on collision. Any protection would have to be designed to deflect the energy, and at that impact angle I am not sure it could be done, and likely the vessel would not survive the impact at that angle, either.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: the OlLine Rebel on March 27, 2024, 02:54:03 am
The bottom line is that an airplane hit each tower, and each withstood the impact. It was fire weakening the steel structure that brought the buildings down. Had they stuck with the original design, there wouldn't have been 3,000 casualties. The buildings would have stood a couple of hours longer, allowing more people to evacuate.
Oh, I get it. Economics plays a primary role in engineering. I see it every day. No, it wasn't designed to withstand the impact of an aircraft. But it did. And conversely, it was designed to withstand a prolonged fire. But it didn't. It didn't because the original design was abandoned in the middle of construction.
Really not true from what I’ve seen. I’m insane watching the 9/11 shows. The structural discussions are available.
It was not built to handle tonnage of jet fuel on fire through the whol structure. Regardless of asbestos and the other retardant. Just the fact that that impact slices off various areas of that retardant breeches it, allowing direct contact with metal. Further, the gaping holes created not just on the sides in 2D, but within the entire floor areas, meant less framing to lift. It was built to handle 707 size planes accidentally hitting them, but not the other variables involved.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Lando Lincoln on March 27, 2024, 03:47:11 am
What is the minimum draft required for these types of vessels? From my experience, most river barges are 9 feet (lower Mississippi may be more) and lakers need 26 feet (Port of Chicago, anyway). These large container vessels must require considerable depth.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: cato potatoe on March 27, 2024, 04:04:58 am
What is the minimum draft required for these types of vessels? From my experience, most river barges are 9 feet (lower Mississippi may be more) and lakers need 26 feet (Port of Chicago, anyway). These large container vessels must require considerable depth.
Wikipedia lists the summer draft at 49 feet 4 inches. It's a tight squeeze, and the corps of engineers keeps a long channel dredged down the Patapsco at considerable cost.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Lando Lincoln on March 27, 2024, 05:06:33 am
Wikipedia lists the summer draft at 49 feet 4 inches. It's a tight squeeze, and the corps of engineers keeps a long channel dredged down the Patapsco at considerable cost.
Thanks @cato potatoe. I reckon I could have researched it. That is a lot of depth. Quite an undertaking for the engineers and contractors.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Elderberry on March 27, 2024, 12:26:43 pm
Lara Logan: Bridge collapse called 'absolutely brilliant strategic attack'
WND By Joe Kovacs 3/26/2024
'They have figured out how to bring us down'
Investigative journalist Lara Logan posted an alarming message concerning the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore on Tuesday, indicating multiple intelligence sources say the disaster was an "absolutely brilliant strategic attack" on U.S. critical infrastructure.
The structure was hit by a cargo vessel on the overnight hours, plunging at least eight people into the frigid water of the Patapsco River, six of whom are still missing.
"Multiple intel sources: Baltimore bridge collapse was an 'absolutely brilliant strategic attack' on US critical infrastructure - most likely cyber - & our intel agencies know it. In information warfare terms, they just divided the US along the Mason Dixon line exactly like the Civil War," Logan's warning began.
"Second busiest strategic roadway in the nation for hazardous material now down for 4-5 years - which is how long they say it will take to recover. Bridge was built specifically to move hazardous material - fuel, diesel, propane gas, nitrogen, highly flammable materials, chemicals and oversized cargo that cannot fit in the tunnels - that supply chain now crippled."
Make no mistake: this was an extraordinary attack in terms of planning, timing & execution.
The two critical components on that bridge are the two load-bearing pylons on each end, closest to the shore. They are bigger, thicker and deeper than anything else. These are the anchor points and they knew that hitting either one one of them would be a fatal wound to the integrity of the bridge.
Half a mile of bridge went in the river - likely you will have to build a new one. Also caused so much damage to the structural integrity of the bottom concrete part that you cannot see & won’t know until they take the wreckage apart. Structural destruction likely absolute.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Elderberry on March 27, 2024, 12:34:02 pm
Baltimore Ship Lost Power and Sent Mayday Call Just Before Bridge Disaster
Yahoo News by Dan Ladden-Hall, Josh Fiallo 3/26/2024
Officials said Tuesday that the container ship that crashed into Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge issued a “mayday” just before the collision, allowing bridge operators to halt traffic and potentially save lives.
Six people remained missing Tuesday afternoon after the cargo ship Dali reported losing power and struck a pillar of the bridge, sending vehicles and a group of contractors plunging into the Patapsco River.
James Wallace, chief of the Baltimore City Fire Department, said two workers—who’d been fixing potholes on the bridge, which is used by 31,000 vehicles per day—were rescued from the frigid water. One avoided injury, and the other was hospitalized with serious injuries, he said.
That patient was discharged by Tuesday afternoon, the University of Maryland Medical Center said in a statement.
Authorities said several vehicles, including one the size of a tractor-trailer, were on the bridge when one of the structure’s columns was hit by the ship just before 1:30 a.m. Tuesday. Maryland Gov. Wes Moore said more vehicles didn’t suffer a similar fate largely because of that “mayday” call.
Video clips of the collapse show the steady flow of headlights disappear from the bridge just before impact.
“We’re thankful that between the ‘mayday’ and collapse that we had officials who were able to—to begin to stop the flow of traffic so more cars were not up on the bridge,” the governor said.
A Broadcastify recording of the transmissions captured the final seconds before impact, with authorities calmly communicating that all traffic needed to be stopped on the bridge.
Lara Logan: Bridge collapse called 'absolutely brilliant strategic attack'
Stupid conspiracy theory articles like this make Conservatives look like paranoid morons. Lara Logan has really gone off the rails these past few years.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mountaineer on March 27, 2024, 01:44:15 pm
Biden: "The Federal government will pay for the ENTIRE cost of reconstructing that bridge" Why isn't the insurance company of that vessel paying for any part of the damages? Why would the Fed government foot the bill? https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1772720651142324623
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Wingnut on March 27, 2024, 01:48:11 pm
Stupid conspiracy theory articles like this make Conservatives look like paranoid morons. Lara Logan has really gone off the rails these past few years.
She's a Nut.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Wingnut on March 27, 2024, 01:55:11 pm
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Synergy Marine Group, the company that operates the vessel, is a huge fan of DEI, claiming that they “realize that the benefits of diversity are best achieved by fostering greater inclusion and belonging.
DEI will make people DIE.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mountaineer on March 27, 2024, 01:56:02 pm
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: bigheadfred on March 27, 2024, 01:58:05 pm
In a news conference on Tuesday, President Joe Biden pledged that the federal government would pay for the entire cost of reconstructing the bridge. This move is not unprecedented. According to the CRS, the federal government usually takes on 90% of the cost for interstate highways like the Francis Scott Key Bridge, but the sheer size of the project may require additional mechanisms like new federal legislation. Adjusted for inflation, the bridge cost $735 million to build in the 1970s, dwarfing the congressional allocation of $100 million a year for the Federal Highway Administration's disaster relief fund.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: rangerrebew on March 27, 2024, 02:39:21 pm
AMERICAN NEWS Mar 26, 2024 REVEALED: Ship that struck Baltimore bridge was involved in 2016 crash, had 'deficiencies' The ship was last inspected by crews in New York City on September 9, 2023. At that time, no issues were reported.
Jarryd Jaeger Vancouver, BC Mar 26, 2024
It has been revealed that the cargo ship that crashed into Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge early Tuesday morning, the Dali, had been involved in an accident in 2016, and that inspections as recent as last year came back showing "deficiencies."
While the Dali sustained damage as a result of the impact, it remained afloat. The bridge, on the other hand, crumbled into the Patapsco River, bringing vehicles and people with it. Search and rescue operations were still underway late into the day, though only two people were recovered, both directly after the crash. One was in critical condition while the other declined medical services.
According to USA Today, as the Dali was leaving the port of Antwerp in Belgium in 2016, it struck a stone loading pier and suffered damage to its stern. Following an investigation, it was determined that a mistake made by the master pilot had led to the incident.
Fact is, she's an award-winning journalist with a plethora of sources in the Intelligence Community.
Fact is, Baltimore is no longer a port...for the next 5 years they are simply a Democrat Slum.
12% of every dollar in revenue the city earns is due to the Harbor. 14K jobs disappeared yesterday morning.
The cruise ship which left Baltimore the other day had to go to Norfolk, Virginia where passengers were given bus tickets to return to Baltimore to pick up their vehicles.
Lara Logan is on to something...just like the forest fires all didn't start with lightening strikes but from crazy bastards with matches.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: catfish1957 on March 27, 2024, 03:22:15 pm
Read that Biden is making taxpayers fund the entire new bridge. Even without the insurance settlement? Or without muni-bonds?, or other means.
I smell something fishy.... Follow the money.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: DCPatriot on March 27, 2024, 03:29:16 pm
Read that Biden is making taxpayers fund the entire new bridge. Even without the insurance settlement? Or without muni-bonds?, or other means.
I smell something fishy.... Follow the money.
Good thing it's Maryland and not Ohio, Michigan or Florida. 2+2=4
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 27, 2024, 03:48:41 pm
This falls into the $h!t h@ppens pile.
Maybe next time they'll build a tunnel or use tugboats to get them under the replacement bridge.
Current infrastructure, built decades ago, didn't anticipate the increase in size and tonnage of modern container ships.
The newer ships are piled so high with containers, strong winds can divert their course (like the Suez Canal containership oopsie).
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mystery-ak on March 27, 2024, 04:26:17 pm
Truck recovered from water where Francis Scott Key Bridge collapsed: report
Workers recovered a truck from the site of the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse in the Patapsco River, but at least one vehicle remains hanging from metal debris, according to the Associated Press.
The outlet cited a law enforcement official who had knowledge of a Homeland Security memo detailing the recovery.
Maryland Gov. Wes Moore on Wednesday praised divers who have spent hours in frigid water.
“They are down there in darkness where they can literally see about a foot in front of them,” he said. “They are trying to navigate mangled metal and they’re also in a place it is now presumed that people have lost their lives, so the work of these first responders, the work of these divers, I cannot stress enough how remarkable these individuals are.”
A search is ongoing for the six construction workers who are presumed dead following the bridge collapse.
One of the missing Brawner Builders employees has been identified by Telemundo Washington D.C. as 49-year-old Miguel Luna of El Salvador, whose relatives say has six children. Two Guatemalans aged 26 and 35 are also unaccounted for, according to the country’s foreign ministry, and a colleague has told The Associated Press that he was informed the six were sitting in their trucks during a break at the time of the disaster.
Fox News Digital's Greg Norman and the Associated Press contributed to this report. Posted by Chris Pandolfo
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 27, 2024, 04:40:58 pm
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... it was determined that a mistake made by the master pilot had led to the incident.
The "master pilot" would have been supplied by the Antwerp port facility.
A more relevant/pertinent avenue of investigation would be the cause of the power failure, whether there was any redundancy in the ship's design to mitigate the effects of a power failure, relevant crew training, and whether the ship's power system had been properly maintained.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: rustynail on March 27, 2024, 05:10:34 pm
Fact is, she's an award-winning journalist with a plethora of sources in the Intelligence Community.
Fact is, Baltimore is no longer a port...for the next 5 years they are simply a Democrat Slum.
12% of every dollar in revenue the city earns is due to the Harbor. 14K jobs disappeared yesterday morning.
The cruise ship which left Baltimore the other day had to go to Norfolk, Virginia where passengers were given bus tickets to return to Baltimore to pick up their vehicles.
Lara Logan is on to something...just like the forest fires all didn't start with lightening strikes but from crazy bastards with matches.
I doubt the ports will stay closed that long. But the bridge will probably take longer that 5 years, hamstrung the whole way by the worst the three-letter agencies will dish out. The Environmental Impact paperwork will only be the beginning of bureaucratic SNAFUs.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mystery-ak on March 27, 2024, 07:03:17 pm
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Mod2 on March 27, 2024, 08:25:11 pm
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Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mountaineer on March 27, 2024, 08:27:34 pm
Daniel Horowitz @RMConservative Do we know anything more about how the ship lost power and the nature of the pilots, especially after this ship was involved in an accident in 2016? Sparse reporting for something of this magnitude 8:06 AM · Mar 27, 2024
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Timber Rattler on March 27, 2024, 08:42:29 pm
Just saw this on Facebook from Maersk's chief engineer:
Interesting - and it makes sense. I also read somewhere that the vessel dropped its starboard anchor. It will be interesting to learn the timeline of events when it is finally released.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mystery-ak on March 27, 2024, 09:01:33 pm
Dali cargo ship suffered 'severe electrical problem' while docked in Baltimore days prior to bridge collapse crash that saw it suffer 'total power failure, loss of engine failure', port worker says
Julie Mitchell, co-administrator of Container Royalty, told CNN the ship was anchored at the port for at least 48 hours prior to the deadly crash Mitchell explained that refrigerated boxes tripped breakers on board the ship on several occasions, and mechanics had been trying to fix the issue The 1.6-mile Key Bridge partially collapsed after the cargo shipping container vessel crashed into one of its support structures just before 1:30 a.m. Tuesday
By Laura Parnaby For Dailymail.Com
Published: 15:07 EDT, 27 March 2024 | Updated: 16:38 EDT, 27 March 2024
The Dali cargo ship which smashed into the Francis Scott Key Bridge suffered a 'severe electrical problem' while docked in Baltimore days before, according to a port worker.
Julie Mitchell, co-administrator of Container Royalty, a company which tracks cargo, told CNN the ship was anchored at the port for at least 48 hours prior to the deadly crash.
Following the devastation, she said: 'And those two days, they were having serious power outages… they had a severe electrical problem. It was total power failure, loss of engine power, everything.'
Mitchell explained that refrigerated boxes tripped breakers on board the ship on several occasions, and mechanics had been trying to fix the issue.
She said she didn't know whether the problem had been fixed when the ship set off.
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13246079/Dali-cargo-ship-suffered-severe-electrical-problem-docked-Baltimore-days-prior-bridge-collapse-crash-saw-suffer-total-power-failure-loss-engine-failure-port-worker-says.html
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Fishrrman on March 27, 2024, 09:16:29 pm
RE reply 117 above (about how the original plan was for a tunnel, not a bridge):
See my reply 95, earlier: https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,528077.msg2994453.html#msg2994453
Don't build another bridge. Replace this with a tunnel.
For the hazardous vehicles that can't use a tunnel, provide a fast ferry service across the channel. Let the tolls cover it.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 27, 2024, 09:35:28 pm
Fact is, she's an award-winning journalist with a plethora of sources in the Intelligence Community.
Fact is, Baltimore is no longer a port...for the next 5 years they are simply a Democrat Slum.
12% of every dollar in revenue the city earns is due to the Harbor. 14K jobs disappeared yesterday morning.
The cruise ship which left Baltimore the other day had to go to Norfolk, Virginia where passengers were given bus tickets to return to Baltimore to pick up their vehicles.
Lara Logan is on to something...just like the forest fires all didn't start with lightening strikes but from crazy bastards with matches.
Whatever the case, there has been a tremendous run on fires at food processing facilities, too, over the past couple of years. I can't say if that is a statistically significant increase,or an artifact of reporting, but it seems be on the uptick.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 27, 2024, 09:43:44 pm
RE reply 117 above (about how the original plan was for a tunnel, not a bridge):
See my reply 95, earlier: https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,528077.msg2994453.html#msg2994453
Don't build another bridge. Replace this with a tunnel.
For the hazardous vehicles that can't use a tunnel, provide a fast ferry service across the channel. Let the tolls cover it.
That would likely be the most economical and take the least time of any solution to restore traffic while the wreckage was being cleared and the bridge rebuilt.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: berdie on March 27, 2024, 10:04:42 pm
I'm assuming that ya'll are talking about an under water tunnel for vehicular traffic.
Myself...that would give me both the heebies and the jeebies.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 27, 2024, 10:17:51 pm
I'm assuming that ya'll are talking about an under water tunnel for vehicular traffic.
Myself...that would give me both the heebies and the jeebies.
Already there, and on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel. But the problem with a tunnel is that the Key Bridge was built to move hazmat cargoes and oversized loads (as well as traffic) around the Harbor Tunnel and most of the City, and a tunnel would not solve the problem. No one wants potentially hazardous cargoes in tunnels.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: berdie on March 27, 2024, 10:35:15 pm
Already there, and on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel. But the problem with a tunnel is that the Key Bridge was built to move hazmat cargoes and oversized loads (as well as traffic) around the Harbor Tunnel and most of the City, and a tunnel would not solve the problem. No one wants potentially hazardous cargoes in tunnels.
I didn't know that. Even a bigger reason for the heebie jeebies if that is going to be the chosen method of moving hazardous material.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 27, 2024, 10:38:43 pm
I didn't know that. Even a bigger reason for the heebie jeebies if that is going to be the chosen method of moving hazardous material.
It's why the idea (posted either up thread or on another one, and not mine), to run a ferry for the oversized or HAZMAT traffic seems like a great idea. It could be up and running relatively shortly compared to waiting on the bridge to be rebuilt.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mystery-ak on March 27, 2024, 11:09:25 pm
Baltimore bridge collapse: 2 bodies recovered during search, others still missing
Maryland authorities said Wednesday that two bodies have been recovered after a cargo ship slammed into the Francis Scott Key Bridge Tuesday morning.
Divers found a red pickup truck submerged under approximately 25 feet water in the middle span of the bridge and found two bodies trapped inside.
Maryland State Police Superintendent Roland Butler identified the victims as Alejandro Hernandez Fuentes, 35, of Baltimore and Dorlian Castillo Cabrera, 26, of Dundalk.
Butler said the men's families have been notified by authorities.
"Based upon the conditions, we're now moving from a recovery mode to a salvage operation because of the superstructure surrounding what we believe are the vehicles and the amount of concrete and debris, divers are no longer able to safely navigate or operate around that in the areas around this wreckage," Butler said.
“The collapse of the Key Bridge is not just a Maryland crisis. The collapse of a key bridge is a global crisis. The national economy and the world's economy depends on the port of Baltimore,” Gov. Wes Moore said. “The port handles more cars and more farm equipment than any other port in the country.” Posted by Bradford Betz
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: rustynail on March 27, 2024, 11:33:05 pm
Baltimore bridge collapse could squeeze DEF supply
The Francis Scott Key Bridge's spectacular collapse in the wee hours of Tuesday morning shuttered the Port of Baltimore indefinitely, and in the process shut down one of the main entry points for DEF into the Northeast.
https://www.overdriveonline.com
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Elderberry on March 28, 2024, 12:02:04 am
doge @IntelDoge
"FBI/DHS have been wrong 100 percent of the time.." says the former FBI agent.
Quote John Guandolo @JGuandolo54271· Mar 26
My initial assessment of bridge collapse due to the main support column being struck by a ship in Baltimore is that it is more likely than not - intentional. I worked several AQ/Hamas cases while in the FBI & since and found - verified by state intel agencies - AQ/Hamas targeted key bridges to shut down exfil abilities so they could conduct significant level follow on attacks. This may be that or this may be an accident. I lean strongly towards NOT AN ACCIDENT. The fact FBI/DHS say it is NOT terrorism is a key indicator it is. FBI/DHS have been wrong 100% of the time they initially say its NOT terrorism (Ft Hood, Orlando, Ft Lauderdale, Lakewood TX..,)
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Timber Rattler on March 28, 2024, 01:09:26 am
"FBI/DHS have been wrong 100 percent of the time.." says the former FBI agent.
Quote John Guandolo @JGuandolo54271· Mar 26
My initial assessment of bridge collapse due to the main support column being struck by a ship in Baltimore is that it is more likely than not - intentional. I worked several AQ/Hamas cases while in the FBI & since and found - verified by state intel agencies - AQ/Hamas targeted key bridges to shut down exfil abilities so they could conduct significant level follow on attacks. This may be that or this may be an accident. I lean strongly towards NOT AN ACCIDENT. The fact FBI/DHS say it is NOT terrorism is a key indicator it is. FBI/DHS have been wrong 100% of the time they initially say its NOT terrorism (Ft Hood, Orlando, Ft Lauderdale, Lakewood TX..,)
More conspiracy theory nonsense. The ship had a bad electrical power system, probably due to poor maintenance, which failed as it was leaving port. Occam's razor, plus the whole thing was captured on video.
Anyway, if it was deliberate, then why would the captain send out a "mayday!" call, giving the police and fire departments time to block traffic on both sides of the bridge? Here's the audio of the police making the call:
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Wingnut on March 28, 2024, 01:32:17 am
When the bridge is rebuilt it will have a different name. The Woke claim Key was a resist slave owner. Based on that they will name it the St. George Floyd Memorial bridge.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: DCPatriot on March 28, 2024, 02:11:51 am
More conspiracy theory nonsense. The ship had a bad electrical power system, probably due to poor maintenance, which failed as it was leaving port. Occam's razor, plus the whole thing was captured on video.
The ship made a 90 degree turn...black exhaust indicated he increased power and steered into the structural support column intentionally. Also, playing the video at 8X speed proves it was a deliberate act of terrorism.
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Anyway, if it was deliberate, then why would the captain send out a "mayday!" call, giving the police and fire departments time to block traffic on both sides of the bridge? Here's the audio of the police making the call:
Because those behemoths require time to cancel out their inertia.
The 'captain' who made the SOS call wasn't trying to kill civilians driving on the bridge. He had much bigger plans to castrate the supply chains on the East Coast...right near Washington, D.C..
A HUGE middle finger to America...or as some in here say: "MURICA"!
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Bigun on March 28, 2024, 02:26:48 am
Funny how so much "conspiracy theory nonsense" turns out to be true.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: DCPatriot on March 28, 2024, 02:29:08 am
The ship made a 90 degree turn...black exhaust indicated he increased power and steered into the structural support column intentionally. Also, playing the video at 8X speed proves it was a deliberate act of terrorism.
Because those behemoths require time to cancel out their inertia.
The 'captain' who made the SOS call wasn't trying to kill civilians driving on the bridge. He had much bigger plans to castrate the supply chains on the East Coast...right near Washington, D.C..
A HUGE middle finger to America...or as some in here say: "MURICA"!
This is complete and utter nonsense. See here, from a REAL maritime chief engineer:
When the bridge is rebuilt it will have a different name. The Woke claim Key was a resist slave owner. Based on that they will name it the St. George Floyd Memorial bridge.
Correction. Freddie Gray.
I despise these people, and you’re probably correct.
Perhaps they can succor themselves by naming it after the man Key was trying to release from British custody, Beanes. Oh but he likely had slaves too. Oh excuse me: “enslaved people”.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: the OlLine Rebel on March 28, 2024, 03:39:41 am
Stupid conspiracy theory articles like this make Conservatives look like paranoid morons. Lara Logan has really gone off the rails these past few years.
It’s World Net Daily. Ignore.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Wingnut on March 28, 2024, 03:57:29 am
For what it is worth, Paranoia and conspiracy theory's strike deep. Into your life, it will creep.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: DCPatriot on March 28, 2024, 08:38:40 am
I doubt the ports will stay closed that long. But the bridge will probably take longer that 5 years, hamstrung the whole way by the worst the three-letter agencies will dish out. The Environmental Impact paperwork will only be the beginning of bureaucratic SNAFUs.
Key Bridge rebuild may take four years or more, bridge expert says
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: American Girl on March 28, 2024, 10:59:57 am
Yeah right. They look like they ate all the cookies and trying to hide it... Strange we never see anything in the news now. Anyhow, that female NTSB Manager was annoying - DEI hire? https://www.usasupreme.com/ntsb-releases-black-box-timeline-of-baltimore-bridge-strike-and-things-are-even-more-suspicious-now/
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Mod2 on March 28, 2024, 12:04:57 pm
Merged another bridge thread into existing thread.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Gefn on March 28, 2024, 12:31:51 pm
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Elderberry on March 28, 2024, 12:58:43 pm
Baltimore port bridge collapse: Global ocean carriers put U.S. companies on hook for urgent cargo pickup
CNBC by Lori Ann LaRocco 3/27/2024
Key Points
• Some ocean carriers are invoking ‘force majeure’ as a result of the Port of Baltimore bridge collapse and telling shippers including U.S. retailers that once cargo is dropped at alternate ports, it’s no longer their responsibility.
• Logistics companies tell CNBC the next 36 hours are critical in tracking the diverted trade and information is hard to get from container vessel companies, and could result in port penalties if they don’t pick up shipments quickly.
Ocean carriers are declaring “force majeure” due to the Baltimore port bridge crisis, telling logistics companies and U.S. shippers including retailers that once cargo is dropped off at alternate ports, it becomes their responsibility to pick up.
In an alert to customers Tuesday, CMA CGM wrote, “Those (containers) on the water will be discharged at an alternate port where they will be made available for pick-up, and CMA CGM’s bill of lading will terminate.”
It was the first ocean carrier to declare force majeure — the provision in a contract that frees parties from an obligation due to events beyond their control.
COSCO announced Wednesday morning that its services would “be concluded” once the diverted container arrives at the alternate port. Evergreen announced the same measure.
In contrast, Maersk is providing transport. “For cargo already on water, we will omit the port, and will discharge cargo set for Baltimore, in nearby ports. From these ports, it will be possible to utilize landside transportation to reach final destination instead,” Maersk said in an alert to customers. Though it noted that the situation remains fluid. “We are still working through the various contingencies with our customers and will continue to provide both specific and general customer advisories as the matter progresses,” it said.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mystery-ak on March 28, 2024, 01:24:02 pm
How the Army Corps of Engineers plans to reopen the Port of Baltimore By Jamie McIntyre March 28, 2024 7:06 am .
RACE TO REOPEN, JOB ONE: CLEAR THE CHANNEL: The Port of Baltimore is one of the busiest on the East Coast, with between $100 million and $200 million in cargo moving through the port every day. There are 10 cargo ships trapped by the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge on Wednesday and 8,000 dock and other workers idled representing about $2 million in wages. So the race is on to reopen the port to minimize disruption to global supply lines.
“No matter how quickly the channels can be reopened, we know that it can’t happen overnight. And so, we’re going to have to manage the impacts in the meantime,” Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg said at a White House briefing. “It’s America’s largest vehicle-handling port, which is important not only for car imports and exports but also for farm equipment.”
The Coast Guard is the lead agency, but the literal heavy lifting falls to the Army Corps of Engineers. “We’re going to go about this in three steps. The first is to get the steel truss out of a 700-foot wide by 50-foot deep channel,” Lt. Gen. Scott Spellmon, commander and chief of engineers for the corps, told CNN. “Then we’re going to look at the bottom and see what concrete members are down below. When these ships come into Baltimore harbor, there’s anywhere between a foot and a foot and a half of clearance from the bottom. So any piece of concrete, any piece of steel on the bottom is just as much a hazard.
more https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/daily-on-defense/2942493/how-the-army-corps-of-engineers-plans-to-reopen-the-port-of-baltimore/
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: GtHawk on March 28, 2024, 03:34:36 pm
For what it is worth, Paranoia and conspiracy theory's strike deep. Into your life, it will creep.
NICE!
By the way thanks for the ear worm :tongue2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mystery-ak on March 28, 2024, 03:48:08 pm
Mexico president says Baltimore bridge collapse shows migrants 'do not deserve to be treated as they are' Alejandro Hernández Fuentes, from Mexico, is among bodies recovered from the water By Greg Norman Fox News Published March 28, 2024 7:14am EDT
Mexico President Andrés Manuel López Obrador says the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore shows that "migrants go out and do risky jobs at midnight" and as a result they "do not deserve to be treated as they are by certain insensitive, irresponsible politicians in the United States."
López Obrador made the remark as Maryland State Police identified one of the two bodies removed from the Patapsco River on Wednesday as 35-year-old Alejandro Hernández Fuentes, originally from Mexico.
"Based upon the conditions, we're now moving from a recovery mode to a salvage operation because of the superstructure surrounding what we believe are the vehicles and the amount of concrete and debris; divers are no longer able to safely navigate or operate around that in the areas around this wreckage," Col. Roland L. Butler Jr., superintendent of Maryland State Police, said during a press conference Wednesday night.
Guatemalan Dorlian Ronial Castillo Cabrera, 26, was identified by Butler as the other body removed from the water. Divers had found a red pickup truck submerged under approximately 25 feet of water in the middle span of the bridge and discovered the two bodies trapped inside.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/mexico-president-baltimore-bridge-collapse-shows-migrants-do-not-deserve-treated
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: GtHawk on March 28, 2024, 04:26:35 pm
Mexico president says Baltimore bridge collapse shows migrants 'do not deserve to be treated as they are' Alejandro Hernández Fuentes, from Mexico, is among bodies recovered from the water By Greg Norman Fox News Published March 28, 2024 7:14am EDT
Mexico President Andrés Manuel López Obrador says the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore shows that "migrants go out and do risky jobs at midnight" and as a result they "do not deserve to be treated as they are by certain insensitive, irresponsible politicians in the United States."
López Obrador made the remark as Maryland State Police identified one of the two bodies removed from the Patapsco River on Wednesday as 35-year-old Alejandro Hernández Fuentes, originally from Mexico.
"Based upon the conditions, we're now moving from a recovery mode to a salvage operation because of the superstructure surrounding what we believe are the vehicles and the amount of concrete and debris; divers are no longer able to safely navigate or operate around that in the areas around this wreckage," Col. Roland L. Butler Jr., superintendent of Maryland State Police, said during a press conference Wednesday night.
Guatemalan Dorlian Ronial Castillo Cabrera, 26, was identified by Butler as the other body removed from the water. Divers had found a red pickup truck submerged under approximately 25 feet of water in the middle span of the bridge and discovered the two bodies trapped inside.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/mexico-president-baltimore-bridge-collapse-shows-migrants-do-not-deserve-treated
To quote a certain forum member, "ESAD" Obrador! As if AMERICANS of all races and backgrounds don't do potentially dangerous jobs at every hour of the day in all sorts of situations. I would really want to know why this ignoramus, illegal invasion enabler thinks that mixing and pouring concrete on a bridge at night is especially dangerous, outside of a freak occurrence like this that is. Personally I have done what would be considered dangerous jobs, like others here and I'm just a plain vanilla White boy not one of the exalted races or illegal alien exalted races.
I wonder if Obrador gets a bonus from the cartels when he puts out bullshit like this?
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Wingnut on March 28, 2024, 05:03:11 pm
Proof of Joe's claim about his travel on the F.S. Key bridge
The pilot of the cargo ship that knocked down a highway bridge into Baltimore Harbor had radioed for tugboat help and reported a power loss minutes earlier, federal safety officials say, citing new data from the freight's recorder.
The head of the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), Jennifer Homendy, also said the Francis Scott Key Bridge lacked structural engineering redundancies common to newer spans, making it more vulnerable to a catastrophic collapse.
New insights into the fatal disaster emerged a day after the massive Singapore-flagged container ship Dali sailed out of Baltimore Harbour, before reporting loss of power and then crashing into a support pylon of the bridge.
The impact brought most of the bridge tumbling into the mouth of the Patapsco River within seconds, blocking shipping lanes and forcing the indefinite closure of the Port of Baltimore, one of the busiest on the US Eastern Seaboard.
Divers on Thursday recovered the remains of two of the six workers missing since the crumbling bridge tossed them into the water, officials said.
EXCERPT
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Elderberry on March 28, 2024, 10:40:51 pm
"EXCERPT" of What?
Where's the link?
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mystery-ak on March 28, 2024, 11:04:57 pm
Video: Cargo ship that caused Baltimore bridge collapse crashed at Antwerp port in 2016
The Singaporean-flagged cargo ship, the Dali, that caused the Francis Scott Key Bridge to collapse this week was involved in another crash less than a decade ago.
Video obtained by Reuters shows the Dali scraping against a quay in Antwerp, Belgium in 2016. The vessel was built a year earlier.
Per VesselFinder, which tracks ships around the world, an investigation into the 2016 incident determined that the ship’s master and pilot were to blame. There were no injuries or water pollution reported in the incident.
It was unclear what crew were aboard the Dali in the 2016 incident.
As for the Baltimore bridge collapse crash, Synergy Marine Group, which manages the Dali, said the ship’s captain and crew are all Indian. There were two harbors pilots – both U.S. citizens – who were guiding the Dali out of the port at the time of the collision.The U.S. Coast Guard said Wednesday that the ship underwent “routine engine maintenance” in the port before it lost power.
An inspection of the Dali last June at a port in Chile identified a problem with the ship’s “propulsion and auxiliary machinery,” according to Equasis, a shipping information system. The deficiency involved gauges and thermometers, but the website’s online records didn’t elaborate.
A “standard examination” conducted by the U.S. Coast Guard in New York in September didn’t identify any deficiencies, according to the Equasis data. Posted by Bradford Betz
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mystery-ak on March 28, 2024, 11:05:26 pm
The Biden administration on Thursday announced $60 million for emergency aid to help fast-track recovery efforts in the wake of the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse in Baltimore.
The federal aid will help pay for debris removal and other initial costs. Maryland Gov. Wes Moore’s administration made the request earlier Thursday, as he warned of a “very long road ahead.
The U.S. Department of Transportation’s Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) approved the funds within hours, saying they would serve as a down payment toward initial costs. Additional Emergency Relief program funding will be made available as the work continues.
“No one will ever forget the shocking images of a container vessel striking the Francis Scott Key Bridge, causing its collapse and the tragic loss of six people,” U.S. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg said in a statement.
“The federal emergency funds we’re releasing today will help Maryland begin urgent work, to be followed by further resources as recovery and rebuilding efforts progress. President Biden has been clear: the federal government will do everything it takes to help rebuild the bridge and get the Port of Baltimore back open.” Posted by Bradford Betz
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: GtHawk on March 29, 2024, 12:44:21 am
The Biden administration on Thursday announced $60 million for emergency aid to help fast-track recovery efforts in the wake of the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse in Baltimore.
The federal aid will help pay for debris removal and other initial costs. Maryland Gov. Wes Moore’s administration made the request earlier Thursday, as he warned of a “very long road ahead.
The U.S. Department of Transportation’s Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) approved the funds within hours, saying they would serve as a down payment toward initial costs. Additional Emergency Relief program funding will be made available as the work continues.
“No one will ever forget the shocking images of a container vessel striking the Francis Scott Key Bridge, causing its collapse and the tragic loss of six people,” U.S. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg said in a statement.
“The federal emergency funds we’re releasing today will help Maryland begin urgent work, to be followed by further resources as recovery and rebuilding efforts progress. President Biden has been clear: the federal government will do everything it takes to help rebuild the bridge and get the Port of Baltimore back open.” Posted by Bradford Betz
“No one will ever forget the shocking images of a container vessel striking the Francis Scott Key Bridge, causing its collapse and the tragic loss of six people,” U.S. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg said in a statement.
Bullshit hyperbole little petey, and as proof I give you 9/11, the Twin Towers, and the Pentagon.
“The federal emergency funds we’re releasing today will help Maryland begin urgent work, to be followed by further resources as recovery and rebuilding efforts progress. President Biden has been clear: the federal government will do everything it takes to help rebuild the bridge and get the Port of Baltimore back open.”
The emergency funds you are releasing to today will more likely line the pockets of politicly connected democrats and their contributors than go to any urgent work.
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Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mountaineer on March 29, 2024, 01:07:08 am
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“No one will ever forget the shocking images of a container vessel striking the Francis Scott Key Bridge, causing its collapse and the tragic loss of six people,” U.S. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg said in a statement.
Your president will forget those images, Buttjigger, because he doesn't remember much of anything.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Elderberry on March 29, 2024, 01:23:08 am
Battle heats up over proposed federal funding for Baltimore bridge
KHON2 by Mychael Schnell, Mike Lillis, and The Hill 3/28/2024
The battle over Congress’s role in repairing a landmark bridge in Baltimore is already heating up on Capitol Hill, just days after it collapsed.
President Biden vowed Tuesday that the federal government would cover the massive cost of rebuilding the Francis Scott Key Bridge, a major artery feeding the Port of Baltimore, one of the busiest shipping lanes in the country. The bridge was struck by a cargo ship, almost 1,000 feet long, that lost power as it was leaving Baltimore Harbor and drifted into a support pile in the early hours of Tuesday morning.
Biden’s proposal is already winning praise from a number of Democrats, especially those in Maryland, who say the port’s value transcends the state, making the repairs an issue of national importance.
Only the federal government, they argue, has the resources to accomplish the task.
Yet the idea has sparked an immediate backlash from conservative spending hawks, who are already up in arms over Congress’s recent approval of a massive 2024 spending package and maintain that Washington simply can’t afford to pile more money onto the national debt.
Key Bridge, they argue, is a regional matter to be tackled by regional governments.
“The very thought of having the Federal Government pay for the Baltimore bridge is TOTALLY ABSURD!!” Rep. Ralph Norman (R-S.C.) told The Hill by text message. “This exemplifies the old slogan ‘ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL!!’”
Republicans are not the only critics. Some liberals are also questioning Biden’s proposal, arguing that the blame for the tragedy lies, at least in part, with the owner of the cargo vessel, which should bear some portion of the repair costs.
“Let’s be clear about the tragedy in Baltimore. That bridge didn’t just collapse. There was no earthquake. The bridge was knocked down (apparently) by a private ship that lost control. Shouldn’t they be at least partly responsible for fixing it?” said Jamal Simmons, a Democratic strategist and Vice President Harris’s former communications director.
Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said Wednesday on MSNBC that she expected insurance payments to cover part of the cost to rebuild the bridge.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Elderberry on March 29, 2024, 01:34:52 am
The Obscure Protectionist Law That Will Slow Clean-up of the Baltimore Bridge Disaster
Reason by Eric Boehm 3/27/2024 The best time to repeal the Foreign Dredge Act was before the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapsed. The next best time to repeal it is right now.
The collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge figures to snarl traffic around Baltimore, but the bigger problem might be the downed bridge's effect on maritime activity.
Until the bridge's wreckage can be cleared away, the Port of Baltimore is cut off from the Chesapeake Bay, the Atlantic Ocean, and the global supply chains beyond. It remains unclear how long the port will be closed, but federal Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg said Wednesday that there could be a "long and difficult path" ahead.
In the meantime, trade flowing through the port will have to be redirected to other ports along the East Coast. That's a disruption that could mean higher costs and other complications—and it is a particularly acute issue for the roughly 15,000 workers who earn a living off the commerce that passes through Baltimore's port.
Clearly, there's every reason to make sure the port can be reopened as quickly as possible. Buttigieg acknowledged as much on Wednesday, and said the White House had given a "clear directive" to "tear down any barriers, bureaucratic as well as financial."
But Buttigieg stopped short of naming any specific federal regulations that might be waived to speed along the recovery efforts in Baltimore. Here's one that should go right to the top of the list: The Foreign Dredge Act of 1906.
The Obscure Protectionist Law That Will Slow Clean-up of the Baltimore Bridge Disaster
That article is somewhat dishonest, and has an agenda behind it. While its true that the Foreign Dredge Act of 1906 (Teddy Roosevelt's Administration), as well as the Jones Act (Woodrow Wilson's Administration, post World War 1) are protectionist, they are also NATIONAL SECURITY laws that ensure that the U.S. actually does have a viable Merchant Marine fleet while keeping potential and real foreign adversaries (like Russi and China) out of our intercoastal trade, harbors, and waterways. They do serve a very good and very real purpose in protecting America's maritime and marine assets.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mountaineer on March 30, 2024, 03:38:38 pm
Baltimore Bridge Collapse Will Impact EV Imports And Exports by Chris Randall Mar 27, 2024
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On Tuesday, a supporting pillar of the Francis Scott Key Bridge, which crosses the harbor of Baltimore, was rammed by a cargo ship. As a result, parts of the bridge collapsed a few moments later. Six construction workers who were working on the bridge at the time are still missing. [emphasis, links added]
With the collapsed bridge and ongoing work, parts of the harbor are currently inaccessible. Baltimore is considered the most important import harbor in the USA, especially for vehicles.
Numerous car manufacturers handle their imports via two terminals, including Mercedes, BMW, and Volkswagen. However, the Dundalk terminal, which VW and BMW use, is located in front of the bridge and is therefore still accessible.
However, [the Fairfield terminal used by Mercedes-Benz, for example, is located behind the bridge and is currently inaccessible from the sea].
As the German publication WirtschaftsWoche speculates, access is likely to be blocked “for weeks”. ...
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: rangerrebew on March 30, 2024, 03:58:46 pm
Navy to aid Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse recovery By Geoff Ziezulewicz Mar 29, 04:27 PM
The Navy is contracting out multiple barges to Baltimore Harbor to help with clearing and reopening of the channel after a tanker struck a pillar of the Francis Scott Key Bridge, causing it to collapse early Tuesday.
Naval Sea Systems Command has contracted a variety of vessels to help with the job supporting the Coast Guard’s unified recovery effort.
The Navy’s Supervisor of Salvage and Diving will use the barges to surface and remove portions of the bridge.
Sections will first be disassembled before they are lifted onto the barges and transported away, the Navy said.
Baltimore Bridge Collapse Will Impact EV Imports And Exports by Chris Randall Mar 27, 2024Climate Change Dispatch (https://climatechangedispatch.com/baltimore-bridge-collapse-will-impact-ev-imports-and-exports/)
BFD. Normals are not buying them anyway.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Wingnut on March 30, 2024, 05:06:12 pm
Sad thing is 9/11 truthers have had many in the “conservative” ranks who actually believe that garbage.
Never mind now, when Trump has stoked their paranoia even more.
Say what you will about Towers 1&2--sure looked like planes hit them to me. Other questions have been raised about temperatures melting steel, and the duration of the heat in the pile, that I'd like to see answered. As for the Pentagon, people have seen a lot of Hollywood nonsense about relatively intact crashed planes, not realizing that aircraft's strength is for containing a tube full of people or cargo and keeping it aloft. They do not 'do' fender benders well, and a serious impact at speed will yield fragments that seldom resemble an aircraft. Landing dear and engine parts tend to survive as recognizable bits, and something the tail surfaces or parts than can be readily fit mentally into an image of an aircraft.
That said, (and I'm not a 'troofer'), Tower 7 sure looked like a controlled implosion.
People commonly dash off to the nearest theory which explains the things they question, and especially when official answers either are not forthcoming or do not flange up. Usually, careful analysis will disclose lies, misconceptions, or errors intertwined with the truth, but that just adds credence to assertions of malice and deceit.
It behooves us all to keep in mind that the first person who sees the attack coming is not "paranoid", just perceptive. There may be some false alarms, but those are better than being caught napping. Eternal vigilance and all that. Besides, you aren't paranoid if there really is someone out to 'get you', and the witch hunt over J6 and the event itself, censorship, and reports of people being sought by the FBI for perfectly legal comments made online, and egregious differences in prosecutorial zeal, are sure indicators that there is malicious intent by plenty of folks out there who may well be more intimately interconnected than just belonging to the same nominal political denomination.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mountaineer on March 31, 2024, 12:01:09 pm
Original plan to build underwater tunnel to complete Baltimore Beltway was changed to build Francis Scott Key Bridge instead in order to save money. The US Coast Guard had a betting pool to guess when a ship would knock the bridge down. https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1773569501839130922
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: the OlLine Rebel on April 03, 2024, 08:04:48 pm
Original plan to build underwater tunnel to complete Baltimore Beltway was changed to build Francis Scott Key Bridge instead in order to save money. The US Coast Guard had a betting pool to guess when a ship would knock the bridge down. https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1773569501839130922
Armchair quarterbacks.
So it took 40 years for something to hit it and bring it down. Those are pretty good odds.
And again, HAZMAT cannot be put in a tunnel. We already have 2 closer to the old harbor. We don’t need more. Pointless even by the time the Key went up.
There are hundreds of bridges over shipping ports. Why is this one getting all the heat? Just because it happened to get hit by a huge freighter and go down. Guess we could whine about the big complex at the mouth of the Chesapeake itself which includes abridge span or 2. And our own MD Chesapeake Bay Bridge. Is that too much in the way?
Crap happens. It’s time everyone comprehends that. You’re always taking calculated risks. It’s parts of engineering and indeed accounting to try to be cheaper. Why spend if not necessary? You’re diverting money from something else.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Timber Rattler on April 03, 2024, 09:03:24 pm
Nearly a week after Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge collapsed, almost two dozen sailors remain stranded on-board the vessel involved in the accident.
Most of the crew of the Dali, a 948ft (289m) container ship, are from India. One was slightly injured when the ship collided with the bridge.
Six people were killed in the collapse.
Investigators are working to determine exactly what caused the collision, and it is unclear when the crew will be able to leave the vessel.
Here's what we know about the men on-board the Dali and their current situation.
EXCERPT
They're stuck on board with no visas.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mountaineer on April 04, 2024, 02:01:29 pm
John Ʌ Konrad V @johnkonrad Fact: The US Navy is in charged of the Baltimore Bridge salvage effort
Fact: The US Navy has more Admirals that warships
Fact: there is not one Admiral in uniform today who is a salvage master
Fact: salvage masters were once among the Navy’s most respected officers
Fact: during the Navy’s biggest crisis in history it made a salvage master it’s top Admiral and gave him 5 stars
Fact: for winning the entire F’n war Admiral King was awarded the Distinguished Service Medal
Fact: King already hade TWO Distinguished Service Medals for salvage operations
Opinion: this operation in Baltimore is going to be a painstaking long process costing billions of dollars.
Opinion: If the US Navy had not divested all its salvage equipment, subcontracted most of its salvage work to an overseas company, and still promoted experience hardened salvage masters to the rank of Admiral… this bridge could have been cleared in a few weeks
But today’s Admirals won’t be found on the decks of shipwrecks wearing wrinkled khakis. The hundreds of Admirals in today’s Navy prefer wearing starched Army camouflage to office jobs Last edited 1:21 AM · Apr 4, 2024
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Timber Rattler on April 04, 2024, 03:27:39 pm
John Ʌ Konrad V @johnkonrad Fact: The US Navy is in charged of the Baltimore Bridge salvage effort
Fact: The US Navy has more Admirals that warships
Fact: there is not one Admiral in uniform today who is a salvage master
Fact: salvage masters were once among the Navy’s most respected officers
Fact: during the Navy’s biggest crisis in history it made a salvage master it’s top Admiral and gave him 5 stars
Fact: for winning the entire F’n war Admiral King was awarded the Distinguished Service Medal
Fact: King already hade TWO Distinguished Service Medals for salvage operations
Opinion: this operation in Baltimore is going to be a painstaking long process costing billions of dollars.
Opinion: If the US Navy had not divested all its salvage equipment, subcontracted most of its salvage work to an overseas company, and still promoted experience hardened salvage masters to the rank of Admiral… this bridge could have been cleared in a few weeks
But today’s Admirals won’t be found on the decks of shipwrecks wearing wrinkled khakis. The hundreds of Admirals in today’s Navy prefer wearing starched Army camouflage to office jobs Last edited 1:21 AM · Apr 4, 2024
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Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Bigun on April 04, 2024, 03:59:45 pm
John Ʌ Konrad V @johnkonrad Fact: The US Navy is in charged of the Baltimore Bridge salvage effort
Fact: The US Navy has more Admirals that warships
Fact: there is not one Admiral in uniform today who is a salvage master
Fact: salvage masters were once among the Navy’s most respected officers
Fact: during the Navy’s biggest crisis in history it made a salvage master it’s top Admiral and gave him 5 stars
Fact: for winning the entire F’n war Admiral King was awarded the Distinguished Service Medal
Fact: King already hade TWO Distinguished Service Medals for salvage operations
Opinion: this operation in Baltimore is going to be a painstaking long process costing billions of dollars.
Opinion: If the US Navy had not divested all its salvage equipment, subcontracted most of its salvage work to an overseas company, and still promoted experience hardened salvage masters to the rank of Admiral… this bridge could have been cleared in a few weeks
But today’s Admirals won’t be found on the decks of shipwrecks wearing wrinkled khakis. The hundreds of Admirals in today’s Navy prefer wearing starched Army camouflage to office jobs Last edited 1:21 AM · Apr 4, 2024
We have fallen very far! So far that I doubt we can ever recover and knowing that makes me physically ill.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on April 05, 2024, 02:54:07 am
They're just as bad as the 9/11 "Truthers." Our entire existence is just one, big conspiracy!
Sad, isn't it?
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on April 05, 2024, 03:01:30 am
I'm not sure what a "salvage master" even is, much less why having an Admiral who is a "salvage master" is important. At-sea salvaging is going to be conducted/directed by specialists, even if there is a naval officer in charge.
Admiral King was a basic line officer, and became a naval aviator later in his career.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on April 05, 2024, 03:04:01 am
Theoretically yes, but it would be extremely awkward even if you could pull it off. A lot of things would have to go perfectly, and the timing would have to be just right. It would take a lot of luck, the ship would have to be on the correct course and speed for thee desired collision at the moment the ship lost power...it just seems very unlikely.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: rustynail on April 07, 2024, 11:45:32 pm
Container Ship Reportedly "Lost Power" In NYC Harbor, Right Before Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: mountaineer on April 09, 2024, 12:08:22 pm
Get ready for the George Floyd or Trayvon Martin Bridge: https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1777660704658436130
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Elderberry on April 15, 2024, 10:55:30 pm
Whistleblower group claims China launched ‘terrorist attack’ on Baltimore bridge
American Military News by Timothy Frudd April 15, 2024
The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is reportedly conducting a criminal investigation into last month’s Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse, which led to the death of six construction workers. The FBI’s investigation, which was confirmed on Monday, comes as a new report claims that the bridge collapse was allegedly a “terrorist attack” directed by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).
Two U.S. officials told The Washington Post that officials are currently investigating the events that led to the Dali container ship losing power and crashing into one of the Baltimore bridge’s main support pillars. The outlet noted that the FBI’s criminal investigation will consider whether the Dali’s crew knew the ship had problems prior to leaving the port.
“The FBI is present aboard the cargo ship Dali conducting court authorized law enforcement activity,” the FBI said Monday in a statement obtained by The New York Post.”
While the FBI confirmed it was investigating the container ship, the agency did not provide additional details concerning the investigation.
On Monday, the FBI told Fox News, “There is no other public information available, and we will have no further comment.”
BOMBSHELL REPORT: ⚠️ Exclusive intel reveals that the attack on The Francis Scott Key Bridge was a TERRORIST ATTACK launched by the Chinese Communist Party on American soil, using “remote towing” technology on the “The DALI”.
Title: Re: Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses (Hit by a ship)
Post by: Elderberry on April 19, 2024, 01:18:05 pm
FBI boards ship amid investigation into what caused Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse
American Military News by Cheryl Hinneburg, Alex Mann - The Baltimore Sun, Dan Belson - The Capital and Darcy Costello - Baltimore Sun 4/18/2024
The FBI on Monday raided the container ship that struck the Francis Scott Key Bridge nearly three weeks ago as part of an investigation into the deadly bridge collapse.
Agents boarded the Dali Monday morning and were “conducting court authorized law enforcement activity,” a spokesperson for the FBI’s Baltimore Field Office said Monday, declining to comment further.
The FBI likely is looking into whether any federal laws were broken in the lead up to the bridge disaster, experts said For example, in past American maritime disasters, federal authorities leveraged an old statute known as “seaman’s manslaughter” to prosecute people they believed to have been criminally negligent for people’s deaths.
The Dali, a 984-foot ship which weighed about 112,000 tons loaded with cargo, apparently lost power and rammed one of the Key Bridge’s main support piers in the early morning of March 26, causing the 1.6-mile span to immediately collapse into the Patapsco River along with seven construction workers, killing six men.
Video of the collapse showed the lights aboard the Dali go out and then flicker as it approached the Key Bridge. A local pilot, who was onboard to guide the ship out of the harbor safely, reported losing all power, including the ability to steer, in a “mayday” call shortly before striking the bridge.
The FBI’s criminal investigation would run in parallel to the one by the National Transportation Safety Board, which aims to prevent future accidents.
The NTSB’s investigation has focused on the Dali’s engine room, board chair Jennifer Homendy told federal lawmakers last week.
Officials previously said the Dali’s crew reported to the Coast Guard that they were going to be conducting routine engine maintenance while in Baltimore.
The vessel experienced apparent electrical issues before it left the Port of Baltimore, the Associated Press reported Monday, citing an anonymous source with knowledge of the situation. That person said alarms went off on the ship’s refrigerated containers while it was still docked, likely indicating an inconsistent power supply.
That the FBI said it was onboard conducting “court-authorized law enforcement activity” suggests agents were serving a federal search warrant, Rod Rosenstein, former U.S. Deputy Attorney General and U.S. Attorney for Maryland, told The Baltimore Sun. Federal judges sign off on such warrants only after agents present probable cause that there was crime, he said.