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Title: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: happyg on January 24, 2014, 04:47:44 pm
Jamie Weinstein

John Boehner spilled his guts to Jay Leno Thursday night, candidly outlining the problems he has leading his own caucus.

In his debut appearance on the “Tonight Show,” the speaker of the House conceded that Republicans were responsible for October’s government shutdown, saying it was a “very predictable disaster.”

“Listen, I told my colleagues in July I didn’t think shutting down the government over Obamacare would work because the president said I’m not going to negotiate,” Boehner said. “And so I told them in August, ‘probably not a good idea.’ Told them in early September. But when you have my job, there’s something you have to learn. When I looked up, I saw my colleagues going this way. You learn that a leader without followers is simply a man taking a walk. So I said, do you want to fight this fight? I’ll go fight the fight with you.”

“But it was a very predictable disaster,” he continued. “And so the sooner we got it over with the better. But remember the issue. The issue was we wanted to delay Obamacare for a year because it wasn’t ready. Then we asked them to at least delay the individual mandate for a year. So we were fighting for the right things, I just thought tactically it was not the right way to do it.”

Asked by Leno whether the current GOP infighting is the worse he’s ever seen, Boehner initially said “no” before changing his mind.

“Well, maybe it is,” he said. “It’s bad. Listen, you know, the funny thing about the so-called infighting, is that we agree on all the goals. We think Obamacare is bad for the country. We think we shouldn’t spend more than what we bring in. We think the president is ignoring the laws. It is all a fight over tactics. It’s not over what our goals are.”

Boehner said his problem was not with the tea party per se, but with organizations he believes falsely claim the mantle of the tea party.

“Listen, I don’t have any problem with the tea party,” he said. “Those people have brought great energy to the political process. Most of them have never been involved before. When you agree with someone 90 percent of the time, they’re not your enemy. My problem was with some Washington organizations who purport to represent the tea party who I think mislead them. There’s nothing I could do that was ever conservative enough for them.”


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/24/boehner-blames-gop-for-government-shutdown-on-leno-it-was-a-very-predictable-disaster/#ixzz2rKqppPTK
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Bigun on January 24, 2014, 04:49:35 pm
If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem!

Boehner is DEFINITELY part of the problem!
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: sinkspur on January 24, 2014, 04:56:42 pm
If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem!

Boehner is DEFINITELY part of the problem!

No he's not.  He gave the Cruzites the rope they hung themselves with.  EVERYONE with a brain predicted the shutdown wouldn't work, and it didn't.

The good news?  No more shutdowns.  Even Cruz has tempered his language.  Mike Lee has moved on from confrontations that will surely fail.

Things are better.  We know what won't work.  Let's try some things that will.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: mystery-ak on January 24, 2014, 05:07:40 pm
Boehner likes Jeb Bush in 2016 (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/196309-boehner-likes-bush-for-2016-but-not-endorsing)




.....nuff said!
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: xfreeper on January 24, 2014, 05:12:37 pm
never would expect much from a guy who wears a pink tie
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Rapunzel on January 24, 2014, 06:34:26 pm
Go to hell, Boehner.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: jmyrlefuller on January 24, 2014, 07:03:28 pm
We know what won't work.  Let's try some things that will.
What will, sink?

The courts? King John changed the law to fit his purposes.

The elections? Obama got re-elected.

The a-word? LBJ crippled this country the last time that was tried.

Secession? Impossible.

Nothing has worked. Might as well try something that actually has a mechanism.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: xfreeper on January 24, 2014, 07:23:54 pm
History tells us what works. That's why they want all the rifles
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: sinkspur on January 24, 2014, 07:33:04 pm
What will, sink?

The courts? King John changed the law to fit his purposes.

The elections? Obama got re-elected.

The a-word? LBJ crippled this country the last time that was tried.

Secession? Impossible.

Nothing has worked. Might as well try something that actually has a mechanism.

What works is winning the Senate, and then the White House.   A party cannot govern from one House of Congress.

Even with the Obamacare abomination, Republican numbers are still in the toilet.  It was totally unnecessary and totally ineffective.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Relic on January 24, 2014, 07:36:32 pm
No he's not.  He gave the Cruzites the rope they hung themselves with.  EVERYONE with a brain predicted the shutdown wouldn't work, and it didn't.

The good news?  No more shutdowns.  Even Cruz has tempered his language.  Mike Lee has moved on from confrontations that will surely fail.

Things are better.  We know what won't work.  Let's try some things that will.

Let's assume you're correct, (since we know that you always do so).

A good politician, a statesman, will talk around the point. Perhaps give ground without burying his own party. Unless it is his intention to do exactly what you accuse the Tea Party types of doing, purify the party.

Could it be that the establishment GOP has lifted a page from the Democrats and now will accuse conservatives of doing exactly what the GOP is doing?
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Relic on January 24, 2014, 07:40:14 pm
What will, sink?

The courts? King John changed the law to fit his purposes.

The elections? Obama got re-elected.

The a-word? LBJ crippled this country the last time that was tried.

Secession? Impossible.

Nothing has worked. Might as well try something that actually has a mechanism.

You know what works. Finding someone who is Democrat-lite and uniting behind them. Then we can all sing kumbaya as the Republicans govern like Democrats. But hey, they are on our side, right?! As if that matters.

Maybe we can convince some stalwart like Elizabeth Warren to switch parties and run for the GOP nomination. Then we'd win for sure.

Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Bigun on January 24, 2014, 08:13:29 pm
This story happens to be about my current state representative but I'll bet it fits many others as well. It perfectly illustrates why nothing much changes no matter who we elect and especially so if we continue to vote for the guy with the most money in primaries!

John Otto: The Creature of Austin

January 24, 2014 by Tony McDonald

Last week we told you about Byron Cook, whom we recently dubbed “Representative Zero” after he turned in a semiannual campaign finance report loaded with lobby dollars but with nary a penny of in-district support. Well, as we’ve continued to review campaign finance reports, we’ve discovered another entrenched Straus committee chair who has committed the very same fundraising sin.
State Rep. John Otto
John Otto raised $119,000 in the latter half of 2013 but none of it came from his constituents.

Like the residents of District 8, the citizens in Liberty, San Jacinto, and Walker Counties (House District 18) don’t have a voice in Austin either. Their representative has demonstrated that he is working for someone else. Considering our founders fought a war over taxation without representation, it may be high time for a revolution in District 18.

According to John Otto’s report filed with the Texas Ethics Commission on January 15, he raised $119,000 in the latter half of 2013. With that infusion he now has a cool $530,000 in campaign cash at his disposal. But every single penny he raised in 2013 was raised from lobbyists or political action committees. Otto raised absolutely nothing from his home counties, or from any regular citizen, for that matter.

What does Otto do with all of that cash? He actually spends very little of it on campaigns. Instead he maintains an apartment in Austin year around, despite the fact that the legislature ceased meeting months ago. But that’s not all. Like George Jefferson, Otto appears to be moving on up. An expenditure in December noted that he paid movers to move from his Austin apartment to an Austin condominium. We’ll let you know the address of his new digs when his 30-day report comes in in February.

Housing isn’t the only perk John Otto enjoys as a creature of Austin. He is also able to finance his vacations at the lobby’s expense.

John Otto’s campaign finance report notes that he spent campaign funds (and accepted in-kinded airfare from United Airlines) to go on vacations with his wife in September and December of 2013. In September, Otto and his wife traveled to Jackson Hole, Wyoming for seven days. In early December they embarked again on a six day vacation to Canada, all at the expense of Austin lobbyists. These jaunts were allegedly to attend “energy council conferences” but one suspects Mrs. Otto didn’t tag along just so the pair could sit and listen to lectures all day.

For conservatives who think of themselves as representatives of their constituents, the idea of not raising a single penny in-district is a foreign concept. But campaign finance reports have demonstrated that two of Joe Straus’s most senior committee chairmen are fully bought-and-paid for by special interest PACs and lobbyists.

Maybe that is why John Otto, the Vice-Chairman of the tax-raising Ways and Means Committee and a powerful Appropriations subcommittee Chairman was instrumental in increasing session-to-session spending during the 83rd Texas Legislature by 26.9%. After all, those lobbyists that are paying for his year-around condo in Austin and for vacations with his wife have to get some return on their investment.


http://www.empowertexans.com/election/john-otto-the-creature-of-austin/
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Rapunzel on January 24, 2014, 08:55:46 pm
He is only the tip of an iceberg, Bigun. 
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Bigun on January 24, 2014, 09:44:06 pm
He is only the tip of an iceberg, Bigun.

Yeah! I know but one doesn't find this kind of stuff in print very often!
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Rapunzel on January 24, 2014, 10:36:44 pm
Yeah! I know but one doesn't find this kind of stuff in print very often!

True that.

On the Oceander Loesch program at The Blaze she just had a long interview with the lady running for the Wendy Davis State Senate Seat.  Very interesting interview. I didn't know her district is actually a GOP district and she pretended (for a while) she was a pro-choice Republican before switching parties.  Oceander also noted since she has moved to Texas from MO and lives in the Davis district she has been speaking to people in the area and everyone says "oh, honey we've known all about her for a lonnnnnnnggggggggggg time"    The lady running for her seat also said they are well aware of Battleground Texas and how they are coordinating with Davis and that they have moved into Texas from Colorado after turning Colorado blue......
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: truth_seeker on January 24, 2014, 11:01:54 pm
Why do people act so surprised when political types, turn out to be..... Political Types?
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Bigun on January 24, 2014, 11:03:59 pm
Why do people act so surprised when political types, turn out to be..... Political Types?

I'm not surprised by it I'm just sick to death of it!
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Rapunzel on January 24, 2014, 11:06:16 pm
I'm not surprised by it I'm just sick to death of it!

 :amen: ... but some people are okay with it.  Even on here.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: xfreeper on January 25, 2014, 01:09:26 am
The amazing thing is they don't even bother trying to conceal it any more.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Oceander on January 25, 2014, 01:13:25 am
No he's not.  He gave the Cruzites the rope they hung themselves with.  EVERYONE with a brain predicted the shutdown wouldn't work, and it didn't.

The good news?  No more shutdowns.  Even Cruz has tempered his language.  Mike Lee has moved on from confrontations that will surely fail.

Things are better.  We know what won't work.  Let's try some things that will.

Maybe so, but going on a talk show and blabbing about it months later means he's just part of the oh-so-predictable GOP circular firing squad.  Does he really think he's doing anything other than damaging the GOP by airing months' old dirty laundry on a late night entertainment show?  Please; he's as stupid as anyone else in the GOP is, and that's saying a lot.

When was the last time a blue-dog democrat went on Leno to voice his displeasure with Obamacare?

By doing this Boehner does demonstrate that he's part of the problem.  He's just as stupid and blind as anyone might accuse Cruz of being.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: aligncare on January 25, 2014, 01:52:13 am
We need real house leadership, not an establishment hack like Boner.

Boner must go!
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Bigun on January 25, 2014, 01:56:26 am
Maybe so, but going on a talk show and blabbing about it months later means he's just part of the oh-so-predictable GOP circular firing squad.  Does he really think he's doing anything other than damaging the GOP by airing months' old dirty laundry on a late night entertainment show?  Please; he's as stupid as anyone else in the GOP is, and that's saying a lot.

When was the last time a blue-dog democrat went on Leno to voice his displeasure with Obamacare?

By doing this Boehner does demonstrate that he's part of the problem.  He's just as stupid and blind as anyone might accuse Cruz of being.

Well said councilor! Well said indeed!

 :da man:
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: aligncare on January 25, 2014, 02:04:45 am
Levin disemboweled Boner on the show this evening. I enjoyed every minute of it.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Rapunzel on January 25, 2014, 02:10:23 am
Levin disemboweled Boner on the show this evening. I enjoyed every minute of it.


I missed it, what did he say?
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: truth_seeker on January 25, 2014, 02:13:19 am
Maybe so, but going on a talk show and blabbing about it months later means he's just part of the oh-so-predictable GOP circular firing squad.  Does he really think he's doing anything other than damaging the GOP by airing months' old dirty laundry on a late night entertainment show?  Please; he's as stupid as anyone else in the GOP is, and that's saying a lot.

When was the last time a blue-dog democrat went on Leno to voice his displeasure with Obamacare?

By doing this Boehner does demonstrate that he's part of the problem.  He's just as stupid and blind as anyone might accuse Cruz of being.
I agree.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: 240B on January 25, 2014, 02:25:12 am
Yeah, I know. I happen to know him and I want you all to feel better by telling you that he cried extensively over this. He regrets ever even getting into politics. That's why he is 'speaker'.
 
He has cried. ...and cried...
 
There, there, boner, d!ckhead...pu$$y
 
(BTW, no matter what happens, or how much he cries, he will still retire a multimillionaire. Right on man!)
 
Ain't no job like a goberment job... la lee la lee la lee la...
 
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: aligncare on January 25, 2014, 02:26:25 am

I missed it, what did he say?

Primarily that Boner missed every opportunity to contrast Republican principles with the radical and extreme Democratic Party.

Also Boner didn't miss a beat when he quickly agreed with Leno regarding the democrat and media lie that the Republicans shut down the government!

There was much more pointed criticism, done only in the way that Levin can. Basically, he played clips that showed Boner revealing himself to be a buffoon.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Rapunzel on January 25, 2014, 02:28:32 am
Primarily that Boner missed every opportunity to contrast Republican principles with the radical and extreme Democratic Party.

Also Boner didn't miss a beat when he quickly agreed with Leno regarding the democrat and media lie that the Republicans shut down the government!

There was much more pointed criticism, done only in the way that Levin can. Basically, he played clips that showed Boner revealing himself to be a buffoon.

I didn't watch Leno last night (probably a good thing), but I saw the video on The Blaze and it was enough to make my blood boil.  He did trash the GOP in the appearance and at the same time yucked it up about how he loves to golf, drink wine and smoke cigarettes.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Chieftain on January 25, 2014, 02:29:53 am
Maybe so, but going on a talk show and blabbing about it months later means he's just part of the oh-so-predictable GOP circular firing squad.  Does he really think he's doing anything other than damaging the GOP by airing months' old dirty laundry on a late night entertainment show?  Please; he's as stupid as anyone else in the GOP is, and that's saying a lot.

When was the last time a blue-dog democrat went on Leno to voice his displeasure with Obamacare?

By doing this Boehner does demonstrate that he's part of the problem.
He's just as stupid and blind as anyone might accuse Cruz of being.

Bingo.  Boenhead figures if Leno works for Obama then why shouldn't it work for him?  All he is doing is playing to the uninformed who will never vote republican anyway.

Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Rapunzel on January 25, 2014, 02:31:36 am
Cruz was very classy when he appeared on Leno and took the time to explain conservative positions to the listening audience.   He didn't fall for the Leno trap even though Leno tried.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Carling on January 25, 2014, 03:04:20 am
Boehner says the obvious, and once again he's attacked.

The only person that benefited from the phony "shutdown" was Ted Cruz.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on January 25, 2014, 08:59:25 am
Boehner says the obvious, and once again he's attacked.

The only person that benefited from the phony "shutdown" was Ted Cruz.

Oh!  There you are.  The voice of sanity.

The statements of Boehner are the equivalent to President Clinton's "The era of big government is over!" It's a statement to voters that the GOP heard them and implies they wont let freshmen, who have not faces the wrath of the voters before, lead again.  Smart move taking the message to Leno IMO.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: aligncare on January 25, 2014, 03:51:33 pm
Boner stood for nothing. He failed to mention the constitutional breaches of this Pres. He lacked any vision nor conveyed any hope to people suffering under oppressive Democrat authoritarian rule. He looked and acted like a good old boy, an establishment hack.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on January 25, 2014, 04:37:07 pm
Boner stood for nothing. He failed to mention the constitutional breaches of this Pres. He lacked any vision nor conveyed any hope to people suffering under oppressive Democrat authoritarian rule. He looked and acted like a good old boy, an establishment hack.

Quote
the funny thing about the so-called infighting, is that we agree on all the goals. We think Obamacare is bad for the country. We think we shouldn’t spend more than what we bring in. We think the president is ignoring the laws. It is all a fight over tactics. It’s not over what our goals are.”

Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Gazoo on January 25, 2014, 04:46:47 pm
Primarily that Boner missed every opportunity to contrast Republican principles with the radical and extreme Democratic Party.

Also Boner didn't miss a beat when he quickly agreed with Leno regarding the democrat and media lie that the Republicans shut down the government!

There was much more pointed criticism, done only in the way that Levin can. Basically, he played clips that showed Boner revealing himself to be a buffoon.

I am not taking up for Boehner but could we pretty please with a cherry on top- not refer to him in this manner of misspelling his name? It is so DUish.

Call him Boehner or bonehead lol but not that.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: alicewonders on January 25, 2014, 04:48:43 pm
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the shutdown was Obama's doing?  How was Cruz responsible?  Seriously, am I mistaken?
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Gazoo on January 25, 2014, 04:52:18 pm
Oh!  There you are.  The voice of sanity.

The statements of Boehner are the equivalent to President Clinton's "The era of big government is over!" It's a statement to voters that the GOP heard them and implies they wont let freshmen, who have not faces the wrath of the voters before, lead again.  Smart move taking the message to Leno IMO.

I beg to differ any such voice of sanity. Common sense prevails that acting like a democrat-lite on steroids, won't save this country nor do any good.

Hopefully Boehner becomes a retiree on all the country club golf courses, very soon.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on January 25, 2014, 05:35:24 pm
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the shutdown was Obama's doing?  How was Cruz responsible?  Seriously, am I mistaken?
I think some people blame Ted Cruz and Mike Lee for the shutdown because they threatened to shutdown the government to defund Obamacare months before Oct 

http://thehill.com/video/senate/313673-sen-burr-sen-lees-proposal-to-defund-obamacare-dumbest-idea-ive-ever-heard  Last July RINO Sen Richard Burr said..
Quote
"I think it's the dumbest idea I've ever heard," Burr told journalist Todd Zwilich on Thursday. "Listen, as long as Barack Obama is president the Affordable Care Act is gonna be law.

"I think some of these guys need to understand that you shut down the federal government, you better have a specific reason to do it that's achievable," Burr continued. "Defunding the Affordable Care Act is not achievable through shutting down the federal government."

Once the shutdown happened Sen Cruz declared he was winning, and when it was over he said he'd do it again.http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/ted-cruz-i-would-do-anything-98508.html

So the short answer why everyone except conservatives blame Sen Cruz for shutting down the government is because it was his plan all along and his fault.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Gazoo on January 25, 2014, 05:49:59 pm
I think some people blame Ted Cruz and Mike Lee for the shutdown because they threatened to shutdown the government to defund Obamacare months before Oct 

http://thehill.com/video/senate/313673-sen-burr-sen-lees-proposal-to-defund-obamacare-dumbest-idea-ive-ever-heard  Last July RINO Sen Richard Burr said..
Once the shutdown happened Sen Cruz declared he was winning, and when it was over he said he'd do it again.http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/ted-cruz-i-would-do-anything-98508.html

So the short answer why everyone except conservatives blame Sen Cruz for shutting down the government is because it was his plan all along and his fault.

Burr has a  very intelligent explanation of how shutting down the government cannot defund Obamacare. I read his full letter in my snail mail. Cruz thinks shutting down the government for any reason is good. Then Obama played his usual one-trick-pony- saying, 'all the people can't fly on planes',' people can't eat pies.'  'people can't breathe or have sex', because of the shut down (trying to get the GOP hatred riled again but it didn't work like it did in the past.) Cruz read green eggs and ham to his kids at home.

BTW why can't the dems pass a budget? Obama is going to be one month late again this year. Obama cannot get one dem to vote for his gazillion dollar spending budgets. One of Obama's blue book budgets called for a crap ton of our money to pay for ONE centralized bank. He is a complete joke but he is half-black.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: alicewonders on January 25, 2014, 06:27:46 pm
The thing is, why haven't the Republicans blasted the fact that it was OBAMA and not the Republicans that shut the government down?  No - they were happy to let the blame fall on Cruz and Lee - and they are STILL doing it!  They want Tea Party help when they're running for re-election, but then they throw them under the bus when it's back to kissing Obama's ass as usual. 
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: 240B on January 25, 2014, 07:05:11 pm
The thing is, why haven't the Republicans blasted the fact that it was OBAMA and not the Republicans that shut the government down?  No - they were happy to let the blame fall on Cruz and Lee - and they are STILL doing it!  They want Tea Party help when they're running for re-election, but then they throw them under the bus when it's back to kissing Obama's ass as usual.

It is the (RNC/DNC combo PAC) vs the Tea Party
It is the 'establishment' good ol' boys vs reform
It is the "Government" fighting the American people
 
Boehner plays golf and goes to parties with McCain, and Schumer and Hollywood and Obama.
 
Boehner is blocking the investigation of Benghazi and the IRS.
 
It is exactly like Pro-Wrestling. They pretend to have differences. They petend to fight. And once in a while it does become real. But everyone always knows in the back of their mind that it is "always" about making money. It is always about, not "the people", but rather 'what can I do today to make government bigger and stronger, and me richer.
 
Rush calls government and the media a gigantic Spanish soap opera, and he is right.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: alicewonders on January 25, 2014, 07:21:51 pm

It is the (RNC/DNC combo PAC) vs the Tea Party
It is the 'establishment' good ol' boys vs reform
It is the "Government" fighting the American people
 
Boehner plays golf and goes to parties with McCain, and Schumer and Hollywood and Obama.
 
Boehner is blocking the investigation of Benghazi and the IRS.
 
It is exactly like Pro-Wrestling. They pretend to have differences. They petend to fight. And once in a while it does become real. But everyone always knows in the back of their mind that it is "always" about making money. It is always about, not "the people", but rather 'what can I do today to make government bigger and stronger, and me richer.
 
Rush calls government and the media a gigantic Spanish soap opera, and he is right.

It's the sad truth 240B...I just had to vent.  You'd have to be living in a cave or just willfully blind not to see it.  Boehner and the others are not our friends.   
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: truth_seeker on January 25, 2014, 07:46:31 pm
The democrats just LOVE to stir up the RNC v TP competition. The media helps, and gets headlines from it, too.

And the Republicans/conservatives, highly experienced with their Circular Firing Squads, comply easily, predictably and just gobble it up.

Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Lipstick on a Hillary on January 25, 2014, 08:22:49 pm
To wit.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: 240B on January 25, 2014, 08:31:38 pm
The democrats just LOVE to stir up the RNC v TP competition. The media helps, and gets headlines from it, too.

And the Republicans/conservatives, highly experienced with their Circular Firing Squads, comply easily, predictably and just gobble it up.

Look TS, if Boehner suddenly became President somehow, I have no faith that he would cancel ANY of the destructive things Obama has done. He would just continue along continuing along. Just like Bush.
 
The U.N., EPA, IRS, NEA, well, everything would just continue the same as it always has. We don't need anymore 'go along to get along' Republicans. Nothing has changed (for the Better that is) in decades. Everything always stays exactly the same or gets worse no matter who is in charge.
 
It is two sides of the same coin. What did Boehner say that ANY Democrat would not have said? Nothing.
 
It is not a circular firing squad, it is Conservatives (real ones), it is the American People, firing at the stupid Repulican/Democrat oligarchy. If you can't see what is going on today, I feel sorry for you.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Olivia on January 25, 2014, 08:59:20 pm

It is not a circular firing squad, it is Conservatives (real ones), it is the American People, firing at the stupid Repulican/Democrat oligarchy. If you can't see what is going on today, I feel sorry for you.

I'm very discouraged with both parties in Washington.  All of Congress & the Senate get richer by the day while most Americans are losing their savings, health insurance, etc.
The very fact that the "establishment republicans" think Jeb Bush should run for president tells me how stupid they have become.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Gazoo on January 25, 2014, 09:05:18 pm
I'm very discouraged with both parties in Washington.  All of Congress & the Senate get richer by the day while most Americans are losing their savings, health insurance, etc.
The very fact that the "establishment republicans" think Jeb Bush should run for president tells me how stupid they have become.

I have heard Newt pushed around more than once with Palin as VP.

I wonder if the same DU trolls (that bragged about it before) will troll certain political sites and say Palin/Newt or no one- even if they lose badly in primaries or  don't run? These same type of trolls love to throw fire on the GOP Establishment v. tea party schism. It is what it is but everyone should be careful.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: truth_seeker on January 25, 2014, 09:18:59 pm

It is not a circular firing squad, it is Conservatives (real ones), it is the American People, firing at the stupid Repulican/Democrat oligarchy. If you can't see what is going on today, I feel sorry for you.
A lot depends on the definition of "conservatives, real ones." Reagan is the only one that qualifies in my lifetime.

And he did several things, which instantly earn "rino" labels today.  The definition of "conservative" has changed, and fewer people want to be called Republicans.

The largest "party" is now Independents. That is who to appeal to, if one wants to win elections.

I'm interested in winning elections. My district is represented by a conservative Republican, who has chosen to not identify as a member of the Tea Party. The political makeup of the district is trending towards the democrats, each election cycle. The racial demographics are changing, too.

Ignoring all that, pushes one evermore towards the irrelevant and out-of-touch side. I'm not all "hair on fire," every day.

I'm in favor of unity, and opposed to the constant "schism."
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Olivia on January 25, 2014, 09:30:50 pm
A lot depends on the definition of "conservatives, real ones." Reagan is the only one that qualifies in my lifetime.

And he did several things, which instantly earn "rino" labels today.  The definition of "conservative" has changed, and fewer people want to be called Republicans.

The largest "party" is now Independents. That is who to appeal to, if one wants to win elections.

I'm interested in winning elections. My district is represented by a conservative Republican, who has chosen to not identify as a member of the Tea Party. The political makeup of the district is trending towards the democrats, each election cycle. The racial demographics are changing, too.

Ignoring all that, pushes one evermore towards the irrelevant and out-of-touch side. I'm not all "hair on fire," every day.

I'm in favor of unity, and opposed to the constant "schism."

I don't know anyone that's not opposed to schism but what's a person to do?
I don't agree with McCain, Boehner, Graham, etc., but I do agree with Cruz, Paul, Allen, etc.
The republican party is irreparably split into two groups of people.  Over half of them are democrats and the rest of them are conservative.
The "elitist" group never get anything done.  The conservative wing wants action.
Who will win is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: 240B on January 25, 2014, 09:33:24 pm
It cannot be a circular firing squad, if Republicans are not in the circle. And Boehner has declared himself that way.
 
Boehner may have well have said, "I represent D.C.", "I represent the status quo.", "I represent big 'Government' in all it's forms." He did not say any of those thing, but he did. It is all the same Klan.
 
I am the enemy of the Repulican/Democat oligarchy. I represent a different way of doing things. And in D.C., that can get you killed. or audited by the IRS or charged with something by Holder, or any number of things.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Olivia on January 25, 2014, 09:38:00 pm
It cannot be a circular firing squad, if Republicans are not in the circle. And Boehner has declared himself that way.
 
Boehner may have well have said, "I represent D.C.", "I represent the status quo.", "I represent big 'Government' in all it's forms." He did not say any of those thing, but he did. It is all the same Klan.
 
I am the enemy of the Repulican/Democat oligarchy. I represent a different way of doing things. And in D.C., that can get you killed. or audited by the IRS or charged with something by Holder, or any number of things.

And...do you see any of the republicans putting up a fight about this very thing?  Maybe one or two?
Why aren't they at the microphones, outraged, and assuring the public of the fair treatment that we deserve?
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Rapunzel on January 25, 2014, 09:58:25 pm
The thing is, why haven't the Republicans blasted the fact that it was OBAMA and not the Republicans that shut the government down?  No - they were happy to let the blame fall on Cruz and Lee - and they are STILL doing it!  They want Tea Party help when they're running for re-election, but then they throw them under the bus when it's back to kissing Obama's ass as usual.

Watch the entire interview with Boehner on Leno last night and you have your answer.  Just as some of us here have observed he is more in step with Obama than the party who elevated him to speaker.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Rapunzel on January 25, 2014, 10:02:04 pm

Look TS, if Boehner suddenly became President somehow, I have no faith that he would cancel ANY of the destructive things Obama has done. He would just continue along continuing along. Just like Bush.
 
The U.N., EPA, IRS, NEA, well, everything would just continue the same as it always has. We don't need anymore 'go along to get along' Republicans. Nothing has changed (for the Better that is) in decades. Everything always stays exactly the same or gets worse no matter who is in charge.
 
It is two sides of the same coin. What did Boehner say that ANY Democrat would not have said? Nothing.
 
It is not a circular firing squad, it is Conservatives (real ones), it is the American People, firing at the stupid Repulican/Democrat oligarchy. If you can't see what is going on today, I feel sorry for you.

If what you've said here isn't true - and I believe it is true - then  Boehner would do what 75% - that is three quarters - of the GOP is asking him to do... name select committee. Frank Wolf sent him another letter this week asking why he will not do it.  What I want to know is why when 75% of the GOP want to do detailed investigations and Boehner is blocking them are there so-called Republicans on here calling us names for questioning Boehner.
Title: Re: Boehner blames GOP for government shutdown on Leno: ‘It was a very predictable disaster’
Post by: Bigun on January 25, 2014, 11:07:06 pm
It cannot be a circular firing squad, if Republicans are not in the circle. And Boehner has declared himself that way.
 
Boehner may have well have said, "I represent D.C.", "I represent the status quo.", "I represent big 'Government' in all it's forms." He did not say any of those thing, but he did. It is all the same Klan.
 
I am the enemy of the Repulican/Democat oligarchy. I represent a different way of doing things. And in D.C., that can get you killed. or audited by the IRS or charged with something by Holder, or any number of things.

BRAVO!!! 

Well said! I absolutely agree!