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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on July 25, 2014, 06:22:11 pm
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http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/07/25/abc-news-even-white-house-thinks-obama-may-be-impeached (http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/07/25/abc-news-even-white-house-thinks-obama-may-be-impeached)
ABC News: Even the White House Thinks Obama May Be Impeached ...
By Rick Klein, ABC News
Don't dismiss the possibility of the House of Representatives bringing articles of impeachment against President Obama, senior White House adviser Dan Pfeiffer said today.
"I think a lot of people in this town laugh that off," Pfeiffer said at a breaking with reporters in Washington hosted by the Christian Science Monitor. "I would not discount that possibility. I think that Speaker [John] Boehner, by going down this path of this lawsuit, has opened the door to Republicans possibly considering impeachment at some point in the future."
He went on to say that the executive actions being considered by the White House on immigration would probably “up the likelihood” of impeachment, making the point that lawmakers such as Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, already have said the president is violating the law with his unilateral moves on immigration.
Pfeiffer noted that the House is set to file a formal lawsuit next week against the president over his executive actions. While the idea of impeachment is only being discussed by the likes of Sarah Palin -– and very few elected lawmakers –- that could change.
He went on to say that the White House views the lawsuit as “validation” of its “year of action” strategy, saying of executive actions: “If they were small-ball, the Republicans would not be suing over them.”
Asked whether impeachment would be good for the president, Pfeiffer said: “No, I don’t think so.”
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The WH really wants this don't they. They keep bringing it up.
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The WH really wants this don't they. They keep bringing it up.
Actually it is the Republicans, conservative ones, that keep bringing it up.
But having said that, yes the WH is more than willing to turn it to their advantage.
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The WH really wants this don't they. They keep bringing it up.
Of course they want Obama to be impeached ASAP. It's not going to happen, or if it does, it will be in 2015. Starting proceedings right before the mid-terms is exactly what the Dems need to inspire their lazy base.
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The WH really wants this don't they. They keep bringing it up.
Actually it is the Republicans, conservative ones, that keep bringing it up.
But having said that, yes the WH is more than willing to turn it to their advantage.
They won't have to do much to turn it to their advantage, and it will benefit every democrat, not just Obuttocks.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/25/john-boehner-impeach_n_5620467.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/25/john-boehner-impeach_n_5620467.html)
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Dan Pfeiffer: White House Expects John Boehner To Try For Impeachment
Posted: 07/25/2014 10:01 am EDT Updated: 4 hours ago
WASHINGTON -- One of President Barack Obama's top advisers said on Friday that he expects House Republicans will ultimately file articles of impeachment against the president.
Dan Pfeiffer, a senior aide who has been with the administration since Obama first took office, told reporters that he anticipated that a lawsuit filed by House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) over executive actions taken by the president on health care would ultimately not be enough to satisfy some of the more vocal conservatives in Congress.
Pfeiffer added that coming executive actions surrounding immigration reform would only stoke the impeachment flames.
"I think a lot of people in this town laugh that off," said Pfeiffer. "I would not discount that possibility. I think that Speaker Boehner, by going down this path of this lawsuit, has opened the door to Republicans possibly considering impeachment at some point in the future."
Speaking at the Christian Science Monitor breakfast, Pfeiffer based his prediction on several factors. The first was former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) calling for articles of impeachment to be drawn over the president's executive action allowing certain young undocumented immigrants to stay in the country. The second was a CNN poll released Friday morning showing that while just 33 percent of the country supported impeachment, a full 57 percent of Republicans were in favor of it.
"I think impeachment is a very serious thing that has been bandied about by the recent Republican vice presidential nominee and others in a very unserious way," said Pfeiffer. "And no one has even made any allegation of anything that would be within six universes from what is generally considered in that space."
Boehner has said repeatedly that he is not interested in drafting articles of impeachment against the president.
UPDATE: 10:25 a.m. -- Boehner's spokesman Michael Steel emailed the following response to Pfeiffer.
We have a humanitarian crisis at our border, and the White House is making matters worse with inattention and mixed signals. It is telling, and sad, that a senior White House official is focused on political games, rather than helping these kids and securing the border.
While Pfeiffer did float the prospect of impeachment without much, if any, prodding, it's worth noting that he did also discuss the crisis at the border during Friday's breakfast session.
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Of course the WH expects impeachment. The people in there know what OPapaDoc is guilty of.
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Actually it is the Republicans, conservative ones, that keep bringing it up.
Except this article isn't about a conservative Republican. It's about Obama's advisor.
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Republicans should not take the bait. The only people with any power who now talk about impeachment are Democrats, who are using it as a political scarecrow to alarm the beneficiaries of Progressive largess.
The truth is, Obama deserves worse than impeachment for what he has done to America.
But the impeachment of a lawless executive is a useless remedy for a nation dominated by the virtueless.
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Agree.
Obama is digging his own grave, deeper and deeper, let him keep digging. He is doing this twofold, one: he wants to wreck America, and two: he wants to goad the country into trying to get rid of him.
Either way he 'wins', from his point of view. Just let him keep going. His hatred for America and the West, along with his incompetence and apathy are being noticed by 'everyone', including the Left.
Let this guy dig his own grave, which he is doing day by day.
On a side note: I am alway confused at these millionaires who pay 30 tp 50 thousand dollars to be in the same room with this hack. I wouldn't go to meet him even if they paid me. It is confusing.
They have to be getting something more for their money than what is publically advertised.
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On a side note: I am always confused at these millionaires who pay 30 to 50 thousand dollars to be in the same room with this hack. I wouldn't go to meet him even if they paid me. It is confusing.
They have to be getting something more for their money than what is publically advertised.
Think of it this way: they are both getting what they desire: the millionaires get access to power, so that they may obtain favors and stifle their competition; Obama gets what he craves above all else: public displays of obsequious flattery.
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Think of it this way: they are both getting what they desire: the millionaires get access to power, so that they may obtain favors and stifle their competition; Obama gets what he craves above all else: public displays of obsequious flattery.
Think of it THIS way.
When Obama's people come around suggesting that they attend these expensive fund-raisers....they're wearing black shirts, white ties and double breasted suits.
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According to another CNN poll posted earlier today:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=144399.0
...Something like 33% of Americans already agree.
Soon, that number will grow higher -- I expect this will happen after Obama attempts to issue a blanket edict that will attempt to "normalize" millions of illegals already here.
I don't expect it to rise above the 50% mark, but what happens when upwards of 40-45% of Americans think impeachment is warranted?
In that case, shouldn't the House Republicans at least hold hearings, begin an investigation as to whether charges are warranted?
We know that the president has ignored the duties of his office, and perhaps conspired to violate the Constitution, Article IV, Section 4 to be specific.
One in three Americans already "visualize" this:
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img849/4963/1chp.gif)
Soon Congress will be dragged into acting upon it, if they wish to save their own hides...
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This is a ploy. They are baiting Republicans to waste the rest of Obama's term trying to impeach him. And so what if they do? What will happen to him? He can't run again. Impeachment sure didn't hurt Bill Clinton - he is still beloved by his party.
Impeachment is too good for Obama. He should be rotting in prison. They are peeing in their pants wanting the GOP to try to impeach Obama! It's the old Brer Rabbit trick, "Please don't impeach Obama, please?"
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Recall that after the 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed, Lyndon B. Johnson said, "I'll have those n*ggers voting Democrat for the next 200 years!"
Obama is trying to emulate him with the Hispanic vote.
And with the opposition growing to a crescendo from the GOP base....it just might provide all the 'proof' they (Democrats) need.
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The 1/3 figure means it would be futile to pursue it, because the downsides exceed the upside, which is zero.
Winning the Senate in November is the single most important task, not whining about Obama continually. He isn't running again, and he isn't going to be impeached, either.
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I'll settle for a political 'castration'. Take the Senate and House in November. Make him a eunuch.
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I'll settle for a political 'castration'. Take the Senate and House in November. Make him a eunuch.
A lame duck eunuch.
I like.
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I'd say the dims have decided what their best campaign ploy for this Nov. is.
That is:
If we elect a GOP Congress, particularly the Senate, we will spend the next year or so in silly impeachment proceedings, like we did in the clintoon admin. And what a waste of time when there are so many more important things to do.
And goading Conservatives into talking about impeachment proceedings, esp. when they can get a "twofer" by stirring up anger at Boehner and the House at the same time they are getting Tea Party people like Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz enthused about the idea is a big help.
It's a great way to get the lofos thinking about impeachment silliness so they don't ever have to hear about Benghazi, the border crisis, Israel, the IRS, the economy, terrorism, and all of the other things that would possibly defeat dim candidates.
If the GOP lets the dims define this as *the* election issue, then they are indeed the stupid party and we are doomed.
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alicewonders wrote:
[[ Impeachment is too good for Obama. He should be rotting in prison. ]]
No Alice -- to suggest that Obama should be in prison -- and NOT impeached -- is useless, because the Constitution offers no way to address his lawlessness OTHER THAN through the impeachment process.
It's not a waste of time to begin this process.
It is a waste of time for Republicans to go on and on, with full knowledge that unless they're willing to call him on his behavior -- unless they're willing to go through the trial by fire of impeaching him -- that he's going to get away with it all, and quite possibly damage the country beyond repair in the the two years plus he has left in office.
By the same logic, it would have been pointless for the Colonists to declare independence and go to war with England over it. There were only about a third of the Colonists in 1776 who wanted a break with Britain, and who believed independence was worth fighting for. Something like a third of the Colonists remained loyalists. That left a "persuadable middle" who came around.
So it can be, so it will be, with the impeachment process.
I sense the Pubbie Congresscritters know that at some point, when the revelations become heaped as high as Washington's monument, that they'll have to get off their rears and do something about it.
The meme "Obama can never be impeached because he's the first black president" is more an excuse FOR REPUBLICANS than it will be a problem with the growing number of Americans who believe the time has come to stay his hands.
Let me ask you, Alice:
Do you think that Obama -should be- impeached, regardless of whether or not you believe that it's politically possible?
Do you believe the merits of his dereliction of duty -- particularly regarding the dissolution of the southern border -- warrant his removal from office?
More and more, the Republican party is slipping towards becoming "the party of nothing", with politicians who are really good at wringing their hands, but not willing to do anything. Being on the right side of things means nothing when the party cannot or will not act in the nation's and the citizens' interests.
If we're not willing to stand up and undertake the process, regardless of the political risk, than we don't deserve to win.
And we will lose.
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The 1/3 figure means it would be futile to pursue it, because the downsides exceed the upside, which is zero.
Winning the Senate in November is the single most important task, not whining about Obama continually. He isn't running again, and he isn't going to be impeached, either.
I'll settle for a political 'castration'. Take the Senate and House in November. Make him a eunuch.
Now that's good thinking!!!
:thumbsup:
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I'd say the dims have decided what their best campaign ploy for this Nov. is.
That is:
If we elect a GOP Congress, particularly the Senate, we will spend the next year or so in silly impeachment proceedings, like we did in the clintoon admin. And what a waste of time when there are so many more important things to do.
And goading Conservatives into talking about impeachment proceedings, esp. when they can get a "twofer" by stirring up anger at Boehner and the House at the same time they are getting Tea Party people like Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz enthused about the idea is a big help.
It's a great way to get the lofos thinking about impeachment silliness so they don't ever have to hear about Benghazi, the border crisis, Israel, the IRS, the economy, terrorism, and all of the other things that would possibly defeat dim candidates.
If the GOP lets the dims define this as *the* election issue, then they are indeed the stupid party and we are doomed.
More good thinkin'!!
:thumbsup:
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The simple fact of the matter is that Impeachment is ALWAYS "on the table" because it is a Constitutional process that is the proscribed legal means to indict a Federal official, and then decide whether to remove that individual from office. It does not exclusively apply to the President. The Congress can impeach any Federal official it chooses, and send the warrant to the Senate for trial on removal. Federal Judges can be impeached. The Attorney General himself can be impeached.
Impeachment is a legal process and is not something to be thrown about lightly like the White House is trying to do for purely political purposes. The fact they are creating a rumor out of whole cloth using the threat of impeachment not only demonstrates they believe someone might actually have reason to do it, but could be an article of Impeachment itself.
What we have here is a bold faced try to manufacture a political point out of whole cloth. There is no National desire to Impeach the President and without it any attempt at Impeaching the President is doomed to fail.
I also believe that he has not actually done anything solidly impeachable at this point, but I do believe we are building steadily to some sort of major crisis that will finally show Obama for the incompetent he really is, and that incident will provide the National movement to remove him from office once and for all. What worries me is that it will take nothing less than another terrorist attack on this Country to finally wake people the hell up, and I fear the next attack will not just be with a couple of airliners.
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Let me ask you, Alice:
Do you think that Obama -should be- impeached, regardless of whether or not you believe that it's politically possible?
Do you believe the merits of his dereliction of duty -- particularly regarding the dissolution of the southern border -- warrant his removal from office?
Yes, Fishrrman - I do believe that Obama should be impeached - for many reasons, but I don't believe it is politically possible at this time. I think it would end up being counterproductive. I don't see how impeachment would remove him from office either, it didn't remove Clinton. We've got a GOP that is scared to death of being called racist PLUS they are taking advice from the Democrats on how to win elections! They would be putty in the Dem's hands if they tried to impeach.
Our best hope is that we can get some more courageous people in office this Fall to bolster the few ones we do have - but I think impeachment is not going to happen the way things are now. Right now I am praying that there will be whistle-blowers that will put it all on the line to expose the truth of what this administration is guilty of, and I'm hoping that the pressure for him to resign comes from both parties.
Regardless, we're in trouble. Obama & Co have devastated the US and it'll take time to come back from this. I think we're going to see an horrendous event during the last part of his term - maybe even something comparable to 9/11. You can't foment this much violence in the world and not expect karma to kick you in the ass HARD.
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If we have to choose, where we want Latino 'n---gers' or Black 'n----gers, I will go with the Latinos' every time. I gues that makes me racist? or sort of racist? I don't know.
Black people in America are being pushed out, and it is being done by no one less than their brother, "I love Espanol" Barack Hussein.
Screw all you White people. Screw all you Black people. I am the King now.
And I love illegal Mexicans.
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In that case, shouldn't the House Republicans at least hold hearings, begin an investigation as to whether charges are warranted?
The GOP is conducting hearings on Bengahzi, IRS, Obamacare, VA, and more. There will be a need for impeachment hearings when 51% of America thinks Obama should be impeached.
That being said, I think it is entirely possible Obama could be impeached before 2016, since Obama is a liar, a crook, a cheat, his feet stink, and he don't love Jesus. But we will need facts, not questions, to support articles of impeachment.
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If we have to choose, where we want Latino 'n---gers' or Black 'n----gers, I will go with the Latinos' every time. I gues thas makes me racist? or sort of racist? I don't know.
Black people in America are being pushed out, and it is being done by no onee less than their brother, "I love Espanol" Barack Hussein.
Screw all you White people. Screw all you Black people. I am the King now.
And I love illegal Mexicans.
Mel Gibson. amiright?
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Once-Ler wrote above:
[[ That being said, I think it is entirely possible Obama could be impeached before 2016, since Obama is a liar, a crook, a cheat, his feet stink, and he don't love Jesus. But we will need facts, not questions, to support articles of impeachment. ]]
Article IV, Section 4:
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion"
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The GOP is conducting hearings on Bengahzi, IRS, Obamacare, VA, and more. There will be a need for impeachment hearings when 51% of America thinks Obama should be impeached.
That being said, I think it is entirely possible Obama could be impeached before 2016, since Obama is a liar, a crook, a cheat, his feet stink, and he don't love Jesus. But we will need facts, not questions, to support articles of impeachment.
Exactly right. Representative Gowdy is hard at work right now on the IRS debacle, and it takes a lot of work by a Congressional committee, who has the power to subpoena witnesses and gather evidence, to build the foundation for articles of Impeachment. Notice that plural form of "Article"....it takes a number of articles of impeachment, each with a complete foundation and case evidence before such articles will be brought before the Congress.
Impeachment is also a completely and legitimately political process that is proscribed in the Constitution itself. It is not a criminal proceeding, and the process has its own rules. That means that in addition to a National will to impeach, there has to be an undeniable Congressional political will to do so as well. With Harry Reid in charge of the Senate, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of impeaching Obama and everybody knows it. This nonsense coming out of the Press Room is just another Administration assembled strawman to be used in the President's ongoing campaign to demonize the Republicans for everything under the sun. This is just another turd hurled at a wall in hopes it will really stick this time....
The goal this Fall is to continue cleaning house in Congress. Win back the Senate in a big way and expand the majority in the House, and we can then decide just how we need to go about setting things aright in the next 2 years...
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Exactly right. Representative Gowdy is hard at work right now on the IRS debacle, and it takes a lot of work by a Congressional committee, who has the power to subpoena witnesses and gather evidence, to build the foundation for articles of Impeachment. Notice that plural form of "Article"....it takes a number of articles of impeachment, each with a complete foundation and case evidence before such articles will be brought before the Congress.
Impeachment is also a completely and legitimately political process that is proscribed in the Constitution itself. It is not a criminal proceeding, and the process has its own rules. That means that in addition to a National will to impeach, there has to be an undeniable Congressional political will to do so as well. With Harry Reid in charge of the Senate, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of impeaching Obama and everybody knows it. This nonsense coming out of the Press Room is just another Administration assembled strawman to be used in the President's ongoing campaign to demonize the Republicans for everything under the sun. This is just another turd hurled at a wall in hopes it will really stick this time....
The goal this Fall is to continue cleaning house in Congress. Win back the Senate in a big way and expand the majority in the House, and we can then decide just how we need to go about setting things aright in the next 2 years...
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Hear hear!!
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Once-Ler wrote above:
[[ That being said, I think it is entirely possible Obama could be impeached before 2016, since Obama is a liar, a crook, a cheat, his feet stink, and he don't love Jesus. But we will need facts, not questions, to support articles of impeachment. ]]
Article IV, Section 4:
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion"
Impeach the first black President on the grounds of not securing the border? Why didn't Republicans impeach Bush, Clinton, Bush, Ronald Amnesty Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, and JFK?
It ain't gonna happen.
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ABC News...and I use that term with ultimate sarcasm, is a mouthpiece of the Administration.
They are simply ginning up for the mid-terms, in order to rile up their base to get off their collective ass so they don't stay home in November.
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Once-Ler wrote above:
[[ That being said, I think it is entirely possible Obama could be impeached before 2016, since Obama is a liar, a crook, a cheat, his feet stink, and he don't love Jesus. But we will need facts, not questions, to support articles of impeachment. ]]
Article IV, Section 4:
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion"
Just one little fly in the ointment: there is no "invasion" as that term is used. Definitions of these things are sometimes hard to find; however, a definition of "invasion" was developed during the Nuremberg trials. That definition reads:
[A]n invasion of one state by another is the implementation of the national policy of the invading state by force even though the invaded state, due to fear or a sense of the futility of resistance in the face of superior force, adopts a policy of nonresistance and thus prevents the occurrence of any actual combat.
This book provides a bit of discussion and sources the above quote: http://books.google.com/books?id=fjRoAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA181&lpg=PA181&dq=nuremberg+%22invasion+of+one+state+by+another%22&source=bl&ots=B1N1rUsfvB&sig=Dw05tKFeko3jfluPST4-QlqDdsQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=M8jTU43GPNWwyAT6yoKIDg&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=nuremberg%20%22invasion%20of%20one%20state%20by%20another%22&f=false
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Impeachment? Hmm? Yeah, well, at least it would be more than just about sex. It would be about attempting to remove, for the second time, a black president from the oval office!
Come to think of it, Obama has done to American what Clinton did to Monica Lewinsky. So, I guess it still is just about sex.
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This is a ploy. They are baiting Republicans to waste the rest of Obama's term trying to impeach him. And so what if they do? What will happen to him? He can't run again. Impeachment sure didn't hurt Bill Clinton - he is still beloved by his party.
Impeachment is too good for Obama. He should be rotting in prison. They are peeing in their pants wanting the GOP to try to impeach Obama! It's the old Brer Rabbit trick, "Please don't impeach Obama, please?"
It's definitely a briar patch tactic.
There couldn't be anything more successful in making Obama the ultimate "victim" of the right than if his last two years are swallowed up by impeachment proceedings.
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Oceander wrote above:
[[ Just one little fly in the ointment: there is no "invasion" as that term is used ]]
Nonsense.
"Invasion" will mean whatever the members of Congress (and the American people) deem it to mean, insofar as it applies to the invasion (and I will keep using that term regardless of what you say) at the southern border than has been raging for years (and yes, I realize G.W. Bush did little to stop it, either).
You are entitled to your opinion as to what "invasion" means.
But I sense that many Americans believe it to mean more than just that...