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Senate GOP pours cold water on idea of impeaching Biden
by Alexander Bolton - 01/25/23 6:00 AM ET
Senate Republicans are pouring cold water on the idea that President Biden’s classified documents controversy rises to the level of an impeachable offense, heading off House conservatives looking for revenge after former President Trump’s two trials.
Even before Tuesday’s revelation that about a dozen classified documents had been found at former Vice President Mike Pence’s Indiana home, GOP senators were cool to the idea of impeachment.
“I don’t think you want to get into where it’s a tit for tat, every two years or four years you’re dealing with impeachment proceedings in the House and Senate,” Senate Republican Whip John Thune (S.D.) told The Hill. “There has to be a really good reason, obviously, the constitutional reasons and grounds for that. So we’ll see where it goes.”
Asked whether Biden’s possession of classified documents has the potential to rise to the level of an impeachable offense, Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), an adviser to the Senate GOP leadership team, gave a simple answer: “No.”
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3829047-senate-gop-pours-cold-water-on-idea-of-impeaching-biden/
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It might not be a feel-good sentiment, but since there are clearly not enough votes in the Senate to convict Biden on an impeachment, the most likely result would be a failed impeachment that simply ended up ratifying Biden's actions.
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Actually agree. The odds of getting 67 senators to convict is Infinity to 1.
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It might not be a feel-good sentiment, but since there are clearly not enough votes in the Senate to convict Biden on an impeachment, the most likely result would be a failed impeachment that simply ended up ratifying Biden's actions.
Clinton used his impeachment to his advantage in the '96 election. And that was the turning point in this country, when we knew morality meant nothing in electing a POTUS.
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Well this is disappointing, but not surprising.
I would build my case based on the FACTS, which are overwhelming, and force people to take a public stand rather than providing shelter for the same socialists over and over and over.....
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Actually agree. The odds of getting 67 senators to convict is Infinity to 1.
I don't! The house should do its job without consideration of what the senate may or may not do.
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Democrats impeached Trump at the drop of a hat – even before it hit the floor in fact. But, the GOP cowards get to skate because, you know, pragmatism, no conviction. So what? At least it would leave a stain on Biden.
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Well this is disappointing, but not surprising.
I would build my case based on the FACTS, which are overwhelming, and force people to take a public stand rather than providing shelter for the same socialists over and over and over.....
I share your anger too, but the Speaker vote showed one thing.... The dims vote in block, and in lockstep of how they are told. There already is pretty compelling evidence that Joe is a Pedophile, and an influence peddler in Big Guy Fashion.
Still, you'll never get 29 dim senators to convict Biden under any circumstance. And in my eyes, if the Senate really had conservative's interests at heart, they'd have laser focus to try to reverse Biden's agenda in an obsessive manner.
But we are talking the Turdle, so we'll get a complict POS instead.
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I don't! The house should do its job without consideration of what the senate may or may not do.
We agree 99.999% of the time, but you realize how much time and effort is needed to conduct impeachment proceedings?
I rather have them obsessively focus on reversing Pedo Joe's agenda instead. That's the best bang for our buck.
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It's not just that there will never be a conviction in the Senate. It's that the acquittal will play straight into the hands of the MSM and the other left-wing agit-prop outfits pimping for Biden and the democrats. Americans would be deluged with the narrative that the acquittal represents a complete vindication of Biden, not just that it represents the depths of political partisanship in Congress.
And more strategically: what happens if, mirabile dictu, there is a conviction? Biden is removed, Harris becomes president, and the democrats then have the votes to put into the VP office one of their hard-left members, someone who could never in a million years get elected to office. From there it's a short hop, skip, and a jump to, say, President Newsom of California.
So, the choices are these: (i) impeach Biden and suffer an acquittal - Biden is vindicated and his re-election chances, and the election chances of democrats generally, go up, or (ii) impeach Biden and win a conviction - Gavin Newsom, or some other noisesome hard-left prog/lib, becomes VP and, in short order, president.
Yeah, I'd prefer not to start up that road in the first place.
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Democrats impeached Trump at the drop of a hat – even before it hit the floor in fact. But, the GOP cowards get to skate because, you know, pragmatism, no conviction. So what? At least it would leave a stain on Biden.
Enough stains on his Depends on a daily basis anyway.
Things like reinstating Energy Independence, and reining in costs and waste are more important. Impeachment proceedings will only give the MSM and Big Tech fodder to successfully paint the House GOP as going for revenge. And getting 67 Senators to convict? Never will happen, and in fact I'll bet you will get at least 2-5 RINO senators to vote against it.
And in any case, if there is anything to be believed of late from the media, it sounds like the rank and file are about to jettison Biden anyway. We'd actually be doing them 2 favors, and helping the likes of Moochelle or Newsome.
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So, the choices are these: (i) impeach Biden and suffer an acquittal - Biden is vindicated and his re-election chances, and the election chances of democrats generally, go up
So many forget how the Slick Willie's impeachment worked to his advantage in '96. The MSM had him looking like a victim in the eyes of the electorate by the end of the election.
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Enough stains on his Depends on a daily basis anyway.
Things like reinstating Energy Independence, and reining in costs and waste are more important. Impeachment proceedings will only give the MSM and Big Tech fodder to successfully paint the House GOP as going for revenge. And getting 67 Senators to convict? Never will happen, and in fact I'll bet you will get at least 2-5 RINO senators to vote against it.
And in any case, if there is anything to be believed of late from the media, it sounds like the rank and file are about to jettison Biden anyway. We'd actually be doing them 2 favors, and helping the likes of Moochelle or Newsome.
:thumbsup:
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It's not just that there will never be a conviction in the Senate. It's that the acquittal will play straight into the hands of the MSM and the other left-wing agit-prop outfits pimping for Biden and the democrats. Americans would be deluged with the narrative that the acquittal represents a complete vindication of Biden, not just that it represents the depths of political partisanship in Congress.
And more strategically: what happens if, mirabile dictu, there is a conviction? Biden is removed, Harris becomes president, and the democrats then have the votes to put into the VP office one of their hard-left members, someone who could never in a million years get elected to office. From there it's a short hop, skip, and a jump to, say, President Newsom of California.
So, the choices are these: (i) impeach Biden and suffer an acquittal - Biden is vindicated and his re-election chances, and the election chances of democrats generally, go up, or (ii) impeach Biden and win a conviction - Gavin Newsom, or some other noisesome hard-left prog/lib, becomes VP and, in short order, president.
Yeah, I'd prefer not to start up that road in the first place.
Sorry but NO SALE! IMHO an impeachment trial is the ONLY sure fire way to get the FACTS before the people and we should not shy away from doing that whenever warranted.
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Sorry but NO SALE! IMHO an impeachment trial is the ONLY sure fire way to get the FACTS before the people and we should not shy away from doing that whenever warranted.
Yeah, because the impeachments of President Trump got all of the facts before the people. Right.
How do you think those facts would get before the people? Will the average Jane or Joe America stand around in groups reading the transcripts of the hearing, or will they simply swallow the MSM's presentation of those hearings on the evening news, with all of the leftist spin that entails?
An impeachment under these circumstances would simply work to Biden's benefit. Do we really want to improve his re-election chances in 2024?
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Sorry but NO SALE! IMHO an impeachment trial is the ONLY sure fire way to get the FACTS before the people and we should not shy away from doing that whenever warranted.
Since when has the MSM provided "the FACTS"? By the end of the House impeachment proceedings they'll have Pedo Joe with a blended Moniker of these two with Jimmy Stewart and Bill Pullman....
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2088/2881/1600/mrsmithgoestowashington_20.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3NvNQUQsJTY/ThHUSOjWDzI/AAAAAAAAAKI/j6cUgSPDVvY/s400/Bill_Pullman_Independence_Day.jpg)
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Since when has the MSM provided "the FACTS"? By the end of the House impeachment proceedings they'll have Pedo Joe with a blended Moniker of these two with Jimmy Stewart and Bill Pullman....
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2088/2881/1600/mrsmithgoestowashington_20.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3NvNQUQsJTY/ThHUSOjWDzI/AAAAAAAAAKI/j6cUgSPDVvY/s400/Bill_Pullman_Independence_Day.jpg)
With a little bit of Jesus thrown into the mix as well.
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Since when has the MSM provided "the FACTS"? By the end of the House impeachment proceedings they'll have Pedo Joe with a blended Moniker of these two with Jimmy Stewart and Bill Pullman....
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2088/2881/1600/mrsmithgoestowashington_20.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3NvNQUQsJTY/ThHUSOjWDzI/AAAAAAAAAKI/j6cUgSPDVvY/s400/Bill_Pullman_Independence_Day.jpg)
CSPAN at least and likely others will carry the proceedings live.
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Yeah, because the impeachments of President Trump got all of the facts before the people. Right.
How do you think those facts would get before the people? Will the average Jane or Joe America stand around in groups reading the transcripts of the hearing, or will they simply swallow the MSM's presentation of those hearings on the evening news, with all of the leftist spin that entails?
An impeachment under these circumstances would simply work to Biden's benefit. Do we really want to improve his re-election chances in 2024?
My favorite example are how the MSM reported the COVID stats... For 2 years the Evening news blasted the headline and graphics... XXXXX More Dead in Trump's Pandemic. Then after the '20 elections? Poof... gone
If Impeachment proceedings are stated, those same headlines and graphics will read... President Biden..... Held Hostage by GOP House Day 50!!!!!!
The MSM have mastered the process of brainwashing the Sheeple.
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It's not just that there will never be a conviction in the Senate. It's that the acquittal will play straight into the hands of the MSM and the other left-wing agit-prop outfits pimping for Biden and the democrats. Americans would be deluged with the narrative that the acquittal represents a complete vindication of Biden, not just that it represents the depths of political partisanship in Congress.
And more strategically: what happens if, mirabile dictu, there is a conviction? Biden is removed, Harris becomes president, and the democrats then have the votes to put into the VP office one of their hard-left members, someone who could never in a million years get elected to office. From there it's a short hop, skip, and a jump to, say, President Newsom of California.
So, the choices are these: (i) impeach Biden and suffer an acquittal - Biden is vindicated and his re-election chances, and the election chances of democrats generally, go up, or (ii) impeach Biden and win a conviction - Gavin Newsom, or some other noisesome hard-left prog/lib, becomes VP and, in short order, president.
Yeah, I'd prefer not to start up that road in the first place.
Agreed. It would be a certain losing effort, and not worth wasting time on, as opposed to figuring out how to win elections again in the current environment of ballot harvesting and corrupt, fake news reporting.
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I don't! The house should do its job without consideration of what the senate may or may not do.
Agreed!....He will still be impeached just not convicted by the Senate....They refer to Trump as a twice impeached President....Biden has actually committed crimes warranting impeachment.
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I don't! The house should do its job without consideration of what the senate may or may not do.
Agree!
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Agreed!....He will still be impeached just not convicted by the Senate....They refer to Trump as a twice impeached President....Biden has actually committed crimes warranting impeachment.
And just how much damage did being impeached do to Clinton?
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CSPAN at least and likely others will carry the proceedings live.
CSPAN and Fox. And that will be about it. The rest will resume their regularly scheuled pramming drivel of Drew, The View, and Ellen.
While CNN and MSNBC will hold the proceedings in a 1 inch box in the top right of the screen, and will be screaming witch hunts and lies.
We all know the routine, and the left will use it to their advantage.
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CSPAN at least and likely others will carry the proceedings live.
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Yeah, because CSPAN always gets higher ratings than, say, Dancing With The Stars, or Real Housewifes of Peoria.
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Agreed!....He will still be impeached just not convicted by the Senate....They refer to Trump as a twice impeached President....Biden has actually committed crimes warranting impeachment.
That's all true but the really important part is that house members would be upholding their oaths fo a change.
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That's all true but the really important part is that house members would be upholding their oaths fo a change.
Their oaths don't require them to mindlessly impeach the president just because. Their oaths require them, in point of fact, to evaluate and weigh their options, and to make a strategic decision as to whether, for example, an impeachment would be likely to result in a conviction, or would just be a waste of time and money that did nothing other than to provide a massive amount of talking points for a partisan political party.
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And just how much damage did being impeached do to Clinton?
Impeachment- 1995
1996 POTUS Election-
Bill Clinton- 47,401,185 (49.2%). 379 EV's
Bob Dole- 39,197, 469 (40.7%) 159 EV's
Ross Perot- 8,085,294- (8.4%) 0 EV's
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Their oaths don't require them to mindlessly impeach the president just because. Their oaths require them, in point of fact, to evaluate and weigh their options, and to make a strategic decision as to whether, for example, an impeachment would be likely to result in a conviction, or would just be a waste of time and money that did nothing other than to provide a massive amount of talking points for a partisan political party.
Their oaths require them to take proper action when the constitution is violated. Period!
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Impeachment- 1995
1996 POTUS Election-
Bill Clinton- 47,401,185 (49.2%). 379 EV's
Bob Dole- 39,197, 469 (40.7%) 159 EV's
Ross Perot- 8,085,294- (8.4%) 0 EV's
Totally irrelevant!
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Their oaths require them to take proper action when the constitution is violated. Period!
That is simply mindless action. Like being a meter maid. There is a reason why impeachment is a matter for Congress, and not, for example, for the Supreme Court, or some other court venue, and that is because it is an eminently political matter and therefore political considerations must always be evaluated in deciding whether or not to impeach a sitting president.
That is what their oaths require, not some mindless, pavlovian knee-jerk response.
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That's all true but the really important part is that house members would be upholding their oaths fo a change.
I'd rather make this country better by having them apply laser focus in reversing what has been the most disasterous policy making of my lifetime. Loss of Energy Independence, Open borders, 10+% inflation, Afghanistan debacle etc, etc.
Impeaching this dementia sticken stupid son of a bitch accompishes none of that.
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GOP, govern.
Enough with the carnival sideshows.
Start legislating solutions to our country's problems, or we'll elect someone else to do it in 2 years.
You keep this up, the American people will impeach all you useless Swamp turds.
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Totally irrelevant!
So you are saying Clinton didn't use the impeachment to his advantage? I must have lived in a different world at the time.
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That is simply mindless action. Like being a meter maid. There is a reason why impeachment is a matter for Congress, and not, for example, for the Supreme Court, or some other court venue, and that is because it is an eminently political matter and therefore political considerations must always be evaluated in deciding whether or not to impeach a sitting president.
That is what their oaths require, not some mindless, pavlovian knee-jerk response.
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and ..."
What part of that do you fail to understand?
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So you are saying Clinton didn't use the impeachment to his advantage? I must have lived in a different world at the time.
NOPE! Not saying that at all! Read the above response to @Kamaji
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What part of that do you fail to understand?
You mean like the part to focus on protecting the border instead of impeaching a dolting drooling old man?
To me that more meets the criteria than kicking Pedo Joe to the Curb (which won't happen anyway without 67 senate votes for conviction)
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What part of that do you fail to understand?
:mauslaff:
What part of that requires a mindless exercise of the impeachment power without giving due consideration to whether the exercise of that power in a particular situation would be meaningless, a waste of time, money, and political capital, and therefore also be harmful to the United States?
The U.S. Constitution is not a set of parking regulations to be mindlessly enforced by a bunch of overpaid meter maids.
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GOP, govern.
Enough with the carnival sideshows.
Start legislating solutions to our country's problems, or we'll elect someone else to do it in 2 years.
You keep this up, the American people will impeach all you useless Swamp turds.
Exactly.
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You mean like the part to focus on protecting the border instead of impeaching a dolting drooling old man?
To me that more meets the criteria than kicking Pedo Joe to the Curb (which won't happen anyway without 67 senate votes for conviction)
No! I mean the part that says "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;...
I don't see anything about unless the senate refuses to convict there!
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No! I mean the part that says "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;...
I don't see anything about unless the senate refuses to convict there!
Where does it say that the oath-taker will mindlessly exercise the impeachment power without giving due regard to whether such exercise will itself be damaging to the United States?
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No! I mean the part that says "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;...
I don't see anything about unless the senate refuses to convict there!
You mean the same logic that should be used to prosecute, convict, and sentence the Trump Gang for Sedition.
Pendulums swing both ways. Psychopathic, nihilistic hypocrites only choose to see when the pendulum swings to their favor. What you do unto others, they can do unto you. Payback and Karma are both bitches, as McCarthy is showing the Dems with committee assignments.
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Where does it say that the oath-taker will mindlessly exercise the impeachment power without giving due regard to whether such exercise will itself be damaging to the United States?
It says exactly what it says, in plain English, and nothing more or less!
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So, Biden gets impeached. Will President Kamal Harris be any better for America? She'd certainly be better for America's enemies.
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You mean the same logic that should be used to prosecute, convict, and sentence the Trump Gang for Sedition.
Pendulums swing both ways. Psychopathic, nihilistic hypocrites only choose to see when the pendulum swings to their favor. What you do unto others, they can do unto you. Payback and Karma are both bitches, as McCarthy is showing the Dems with committee assignments.
WTF are you talking about??? I have NO clue.
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Impeachment is a political remedy, not a legal one. It has failed every time it has been used against a President (even with Richard Nixon, who resigned before he could be impeached, and whose conviction would still have been far from certain after a hypothetical Senate trial).
Republicans had better spend their time proposing solutions to our national problems, advancing legislation even if Biden is certain to veto it. They need a positive agenda, not merely a record of opposition.
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GOP, govern.
Enough with the carnival sideshows.
Start legislating solutions to our country's problems, or we'll elect someone else to do it in 2 years.
You keep this up, the American people will impeach all you useless Swamp turds.
Legislation is what got us into this mess
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It says exactly what it says, in plain English, and nothing more or less!
No, actually, it does not.
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Where does it say that the oath-taker will mindlessly exercise the impeachment power without giving due regard to whether such exercise will itself be damaging to the United States?
How can this be damaging to the US by impeaching a sitting President who has committed crimes against the US!
I can't believe most of you agree with the spineless Repubs in the Senate....
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Impeachment is a political remedy, not a legal one. It has failed every time it has been used against a President (even with Richard Nixon, who resigned before he could be impeached, and whose conviction would still have been far from certain after a hypothetical Senate trial).
Republicans had better spend their time proposing solutions to our national problems, advancing legislation even if Biden is certain to veto it. They need a positive agenda, not merely a record of opposition.
I fully understand that sentiment and vehemently disagree with it.
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So, Biden gets impeached. Will President Kamal Harris be any better for America? She'd certainly be better for America's enemies.
I'd be less worried about President Harris, than I would be about President Newsom, or whomever else the democrats would force through as the new VP, and who would, sooner rather than later, end up taking over the presidency once Harris is forced to resign.
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No, actually, it does not.
OK swamy! Tell me what it says beyond the plain English words contained therein. I'm all ears. /S
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No! I mean the part that says "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;...
I don't see anything about unless the senate refuses to convict there!
We agree 100.000% there.
But from a pragmatic stand point, and I will give 1995 /1996 as an example.... Here were my observations
1. A POTUS with his fingers within 10 feet of the launch codes got a BJ from a white house intern.
2. He lied about it to the media.
3. He lied to Congress under oath.
4. Clinton was Impeached for Perjury and Obstruction of Jusitce pretty close to party line.
5. The Senate chose not to convict..... by a whopping 22 votes.
6. Clinton received "victimhood" status from the MSM 1995-1996 for basically lying about a sexual affair.
7. Clinton's approval rating went from 42% during impeachment to 60% by the time of the '96 election.
8. Clinton used that victimhood meme and it helped him get re-elected.
The point I am making, is that while I agree that Pedo Joe should be impeached, convicted...... Hell... I think he should be in jail. And what Slick Willie pulled off, was a exploitation of the system.
The systems that Constitution has put in place makes it impossible to hold him accountable when you have such a large faction in oppostion who are just as bad and complict. And sadly us trying to hold him accountable will backfire miserably.
Please don't shoot the messenger. As my constant dwelling on the deficit, I am as principle minded as any. Still, I am a realist, who understands we need to better our lives in ways that will really work with the structual confines of our government. And impeaching this old fool only gives him a life line.
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I fully understand that sentiment and vehemently disagree with it.
Perhaps you might explain to me how pursuing a useless impeachment effort against Joe Biden will change the political fortunes of the GOP?
I am sorry, but I just do not see any good coming from it.
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We agree 100.000% there.
But from a pragmatic stand point, and I will give 1995 /1996 as an example.... Here were my observations
1. A POTUS with his fingers within 10 feet of the launch codes got a BJ from a white house intern.
2. He lied about it to the media.
3. He lied to Congress under oath.
4. Clinton was Impeached for Perjury and Obstruction of Jusitce pretty close to party line.
5. The Senate chose not to convict..... by a whopping 22 votes.
6. Clinton received "victimhood" status from the MSM 1995-1996 for basically lying about a sexual affair.
7. Clinton's approval rating went from 42% during impeachment to 60% by the time of the '96 election.
8. Clinton used that victimhood meme and it helped him get re-elected.
The point I am making, is that while I agree that Pedo Joe should be impeached, convicted...... Hell... I think he should be in jail. And what Slick Willie pulled off, was a exploitation of the system.
The systems that Constitution has put in place makes it impossible to hold him accountable when you have such a large faction in oppostion who are just as bad and complict. And sadly us trying to hold him accountable will backfire miserably.
Please don't shoot the messenger. As my constant dwelling on the deficit, I am as principle minded as any. Still, I am a realist, who understands we need to better our lives in ways that will really work with the structual confines of our government. And impeaching this old fool only gives him a life line.
As I have already said, I understand and vehemently disagree.
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Impeachment is not a solution.
Impeachment is no substitute for popular elections.
Impeachment is no substitute for legislation.
Congressional Republicans are underperforming because they aren't solving anything.
The American people will keep vascilating between slight Dem majorities and and slight GOP majorities until one of them demonstrates with the will and the ability to solve America's problems.
Impeachment does not stop the Globalist sell-out of America.
Impeachment does not lower Government spending.
Impeachment does not bring supply chains back to America.
Impeachment does not secure the Border.
Impeachment does not breakup monopolies, dualopolies, oligopolies, and cartels.
Impeachment does not lower Federal income taxes for wage earners.
Impeachment does not bring school choice to Americans.
Every moment spent on Impeachment is a moment and an opportunity wasted by the GOP.
GOP, do the damn job we sent you to Washington to do. If you don't, we'll primary your cowardly, weaselly, useless, worthless, pathetic, weak, impotent, mindless asses.
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Perhaps you might explain to me how pursuing a useless impeachment effort against Joe Biden will change the political fortunes of the GOP?
I am sorry, but I just do not see any good coming from it.
Agreed.
I'd love to see a court rule him in contempt or something. Then impeachment would have a much greater affect.
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Perhaps you might explain to me how pursuing a useless impeachment effort against Joe Biden will change the political fortunes of the GOP?
I am sorry, but I just do not see any good coming from it.
I have repeatedly done so already. Oaths are important!
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How can this be damaging to the US by impeaching a sitting President who has committed crimes against the US!
I can't believe most of you agree with the spineless Repubs in the Senate....
Less of an agreement and more of a concession that the system is flawed, and an impeachment conviction is not only be an impossible task , it might back fire on us. I've used '95/'96 as an example
I'd rather have McCarthy and the gang, use every single waking moment un-doing.... what Joe has done. That's our best bang for the buck on floor time.
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Less of an agreement and more of a concession that the system is flawed, and an impeachment conviction is not only be an impossible task , it might back fire on us. I've used '95/'96 as an example
I'd rather have McCarthy and the gang, use every single waking moment un-doing.... what Joe has done. That's our best bang for the buck on floor time.
Flawed or not, it's all we have and we should use it.
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As I have already said, I understand and vehemently disagree.
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Which is a real rarity. We are 99.9999% usually in alignment.
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I have repeatedly done so already. Oaths are important!
Of course they are. To you, and me, and to God, who I believe will in time sort things out.
To Congress, they are meaningless.
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Impeachment is 0-3 over the past 25 years. How will going 0-4 improve anything?
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This impeaching-for-every-offense-mentality will turn the US into a Parliamentary system, where the President is effectively elected by Congress. This is sorta what is happening in Brazil too.
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Which is a real rarity. We are 99.9999% usually in alignment.
:yowsa: Many years ago, I took a very similar oath and, to this day, have never once violated it. I meant what I said and expect the same from others.
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Failed Impeachments may satisfy the poltical bloodlust for revenge that attracts media ratings and campaign dollars, but they do not move the Conservative agenda forward.
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This impeaching-for-every-offense-mentality will turn the US into a Parliamentary system, where the President is effectively elected by Congress. This is sorta what is happening in Brazil too.
Doing violence to the constitution cannot be excused under any circumstance. When you do that there is no longer a constitution.
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Let's have a mental exercise shall we? Imagine the threshold to throw out of office was a simple majority: 51%. Then as soon as a Congressional House flipped they'd immediately impeach the office holder and his successor until a "friendly" was appointed.
Anything the GOP can do so can the Democrats when a GOPer is President. And they have no morals as we all know, even impeachment a President after he's not even in power anymore.
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I don't! The house should do its job without consideration of what the senate may or may not do.
There are so many rinos in the house, I doubt they could move an impeachment proceeding out of the house.
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Of course they are. To you, and me, and to God, who I believe will in time sort things out.
To Congress, they are meaningless.
And I find that to be a HUGE problem! In fact, THE problem!
There are a few key words here that might aid your understanding. I'll highlight them for you.
"I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is 'needed' before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents' interests, I shall reply that I was informed their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can."
Sen. Barry Goldwater (R-Ariz.), "The Conscience of a Conservative"
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Impeachment is 0-3 over the past 25 28 years. How will going 0-4 improve anything?
Sorry, my OCD side shows sometimes. :cool:
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Doing violence to the constitution cannot be excused under any circumstance. When you do that there is no longer a constitution.
Yeah but mindlessly engaging in something that is self-defeating will do even more damage to the constitution in the long term. Like aggressively pursuing impeachment against the President because he jaywalked or something. Impeachment is a political game like anything else. That's just reality. You need the public on your side.
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Impeachment is 0-3 over the past 25 years. How will going 0-4 improve anything?
How will ignoring corruption and malfeasance improve anything?
I am not after revenge, I want the swamp drained and continually refusing to hold criminals responsible does nothing.
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Yeah but mindlessly engaging in something that is self-defeating will do even more damage to the constitution in the long term. Like aggressively pursuing impeachment against the President because he jaywalked or something. Impeachment is a political game like anything else. That's just reality. You need the public on your side.
How does upholding one's oath to the constitution possibly do violence to it? That makes no sense at all.
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There are so many rinos in the house, I doubt they could move an impeachment proceeding out of the house.
Great point Ranger. And if that happened it would be humiliating to the party's standing inside and out.
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What violence has Biden inflicted upon the US Constitution?
Did he summon a violent mob to Washington, DC, interfere with a Constitutional Congressional proceeding on January 6th, 2021? Oh, wait, that was the other guy who inflicted violence upon the US Constitution.
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Failed Impeachments may satisfy the poltical bloodlust for revenge that attracts media ratings and campaign dollars, but they do not move the Conservative agenda forward.
Well, that is where I am at...revenge!
I am tired of seeing all these Dems getting away with all the crimes they have committed...
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How does upholding one's oath to the constitution possibly do violence to it? That makes no sense at all.
Because if the public perceives that you're simply using it as political weapon then it will increase their cynicism about it.
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Well, that is where I am at...revenge!
I am tired of seeing all these Dems getting away with all the crimes they have committed...
Pretty piss poor revenge then.
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How will ignoring corruption and malfeasance improve anything?
I am not after revenge, I want the swamp drained and continually refusing to hold criminals responsible does nothing.
A 222-213 Impeachment and 52-48 acquittal is going to drain the swamp?
It will only embolden them, and give Big Tech / MSM fodder to further brain wash the Sheeple that the GOP House Majority was only out for revenge in the first place. Like in '95/'96 this will fail miserably and back fire.
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Winning and success are the best revenge.
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Winning and success are the best revenge.
:thumbsup:
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What violence has Biden inflicted upon the US Constitution?
The list would be much shorter if you asked what violence he, and his "justice" department has not done.
Did he summon a violent mob to Washington, DC, interfere with a Constitutional Congressional proceeding on January 6th, 2021? Oh, wait, that was the other guy who inflicted violence upon the US Constitution.
No! He did not do any such thing.
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If the beef is with DOJ, that's what House Oversight and Appropriations are for.
GOP House has the ability and opportunity to hold Executive accountable for failing the American people.
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Clinton used his impeachment to his advantage in the '96 election. And that was the turning point in this country, when we knew morality meant nothing in electing a POTUS.
It was the turning point, when the Media could present the exact same charges (perjury and Obstruction of Justice) that Nixon would have faced over Watergate as "just about sex".
Treason, however, is another matter, and I have little doubt that enough digging about pay-to-play and classified material would lead all the way to China.
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I've made my position clear and that does it for me on this matter.
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If the beef is with DOJ, that's what House Oversight and Appropriations are for.
GOP House has the ability and opportunity to hold Executive accountable for failing the American people.
My beef is with anyone who fails to uphold his oath of office 100% of the time. Nothing more or less than that.
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I've made my position clear and that does it for me on this matter.
@Bigun
Fair dinkum. Same probably goes for the rest. At any rate, thanks for the spirited trading of ideas and thoughts! Cheers! :beer:
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@Bigun
Fair dinkum. Same probably goes for the rest. At any rate, thanks for the spirited trading of ideas and thoughts! Cheers! :beer:
Indeed. We can debate without resorting to personal attacks like so much of the internet these days.
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Well, that is where I am at...revenge!
I am tired of seeing all these Dems getting away with all the crimes they have committed...
Ok, but what sort of a revenge is it if the actions taken merely strengthen the person they were intended to punish?
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@Bigun
Fair dinkum. Same probably goes for the rest. At any rate, thanks for the spirited trading of ideas and thoughts! Cheers! :beer:
Right back atcha! :beer:
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Treason, however, is another matter, and I have little doubt that enough digging about pay-to-play and classified material would lead all the way to China.
Chinese elite have paid some $31 million to Hunter and the Bidens (https://nypost.com/2022/01/27/chinese-elite-have-paid-some-31m-to-hunter-and-the-bidens/amp/)
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Chinese elite have paid some $31 million to Hunter and the Bidens (https://nypost.com/2022/01/27/chinese-elite-have-paid-some-31m-to-hunter-and-the-bidens/amp/)
Q.E.D.
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It might not be a feel-good sentiment, but since there are clearly not enough votes in the Senate to convict Biden on an impeachment, the most likely result would be a failed impeachment that simply ended up ratifying Biden's actions.
@Kamaji
Yup!
Don't forget that the left flat OWNS the media,and spin machines would be working/ 7 to make it look like a vendetta,and chances are the R's would actually lose seats.
NEVER underestimate the influence that the media has on Steve and Susis Sixpack.
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@Kamaji
Yup!
Don't forget that the left flat OWNS the media,and spin machines would be working/ 7 to make it look like a vendetta,and chances are the R's would actually lose seats.
NEVER underestimate the influence that the media has on Steve and Susis Sixpack.
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