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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Chosen Daughter on September 23, 2017, 03:41:52 am
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In Alabama, Trump Attempts to Sell the Idea of a Transparent Wall
Posted at 11:00 pm on September 22, 2017 by Susan Wright
President Trump must be going for the long con.
He’s already made the deal with Chuck and Nancy that he wouldn’t push for funding for the border wall, and then tried to placate his fan base by saying they would renovate the existing fencing along the border.
When the news broke, his base was not happy. While in Huntsville, Alabama, trying to rally support for Senate candidate Luther Strange on Friday night, Trump suggested that there would be a wall, after all, except it would be like Wonder Woman’s plane, or something – invisible...........................
https://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2017/09/22/alabama-trump-attempts-sell-idea-transparent-wall/
MTGA- Attempt to make Trump great again Wonder Woman style.
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Personally, I'm glad he's leaving his campaign rhetoric behind and discussing a transparent (technology) wall now, This, IMHO, we can do effectively without breaking the bank, even further, but will the ****'s that voted for him buy it?
My guess is YES, they will.
I distinctly remember him saying the wall just got 10' higher and Gov. Perry saying so did the Mexican franchise selling Ladders. JS
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Red State and Susan Wright are not to be believed. This is hearsay.
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Listen to the speech. The President starts to talk about the wall at around 30:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSR1fvvVNrw
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@TomSea
Yea, you and @Frank Cannon don't particularly like this Woman's writing style, I get that, but dispute the premise of her article.
Here's her Money Quote, from the President himself:
“The wall is happening. In fact, you probably saw, you know, we have wall up there now, and re-renovating it already. It’s being made pristine, perfect, just as good as new, though we may go a little higher than that, but that’s okay. And we are building samples of a new wall. You know it has to be a see-through wall,” Trump said.
Many Briefers dream of Wonder Woman at night (who she also references in this piece), so tread lightly here.
(https://www.sideshowtoy.com/assets/products/902485-wonder-woman/lg/902485-wonder-woman-05.jpg)
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You've got to read the speech. It's hilarious! I think it is one of my favorite Trump speeches so far. Especially the part about the drugs being catapulted over the fence and hitting people on the head.
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You've got to read the speech. It's hilarious! I think it is one of my favorite Trump speeches so far. Especially the part about the drugs being catapulted over the fence and hitting people on the head.
(http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/81500/Catapult-on-Mexico-Border--81745.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR7uHHA0xbvU3JI5jpeG_P6wLpSED8ROwpGTD5sT-v0Vdqa5vH1)
I am getting the vision.
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Could h get any more ridiculous?
:silly: :silly: :silly:
****slapping
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Any more transparency from DC and it could make a long smelly wall itself.
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Experts have said, we will need a wall we can see through. That's all I take transparent wall to mean. Just ask customs and border security.
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/170330074201-border-fence-1024x576.png)
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Personally, I'm glad he's leaving his campaign rhetoric behind and discussing a transparent (technology) wall now, This, IMHO, we can do effectively without breaking the bank, even further, but will the ****'s that voted for him buy it?
My guess is YES, they will.
I distinctly remember him saying the wall just got 10' higher and Gov. Perry saying so did the Mexican franchise selling Ladders. JS
Red State is ticking me off lately. They've slowly morphed into an anti-Trump site.
I like Susan Wright sometimes but her spin on this and the headline are wrong.
I never thought there would be a wall and there won't be a wall.
The wall may be becoming invisible but the stand against illegal immigration is still quite visible in new policies and new ways of dealing with immigration.
So, yeah, Red State ... there are already plenty of anti-Trump sites so if you become one, who needs you?
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Red State is ticking me off lately. They've slowly morphed into an anti-Trump site.
I like Susan Wright sometimes but her spin on this and the headline are wrong.
I never thought there would be a wall and there won't be a wall.
The wall may be becoming invisible but the stand against illegal immigration is still quite visible in new policies and new ways of dealing with immigration.
So, yeah, Red State ... there are already plenty of anti-Trump sites so if you become one, who needs you?
I only have one 4 letter word for you @Emjay~DACA
Trump's handling of that and that alone prove your assertion of Trump and immigration, quite frankly, laughable, but you go ahead and believe what you want to believe, in the interim I'm gonna continue my comfortable existence in realville.
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I only have one 4 letter word for you @Emjay~DACA
Trump's handling of that and that alone prove your assertion of Trump and immigration, quite frankly, laughable, but you go ahead and believe what you want to believe, in the interim I'm gonna continue my comfortable existence in realville.
C'mon, Corbe. Honestly. I hope you are comfortable wherever you live but I live in Realville and I just went out and looked next door and you aren't there.
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I am wearing my Hula Grill T Shirt as I type this @Emjay. So we are closer together, at least in spirit, than you think, hope that doesn't scare you.
(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1254/1172643416_03fe466918_z.jpg?zz=1)
888high58888
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I am wearing my Hula Grill T Shirt as I type this @Emjay. So we are closer together, at least in spirit, than you think, hope that doesn't scare you.
(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1254/1172643416_03fe466918_z.jpg?zz=1)
888high58888
Not at all, Corbe, I would love to see you sitting next to me at the Hula Grill. I think we would get along quite well.
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Let's see, in children's fiction, that's called:
The Emperor's New Clothes
Same goes for the would-be emperors wall, apparently.
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Not at all, Corbe, I would love to see you sitting next to me at the Hula Grill. I think we would get along quite well.
Of course we would @Emjay and I would like that also, I find you quite an interesting character here and usually on solid ground.
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It's amazing to see people sit back and defend Trump as he openly admits he screwed them. Unbelievable, really.
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Is Mexico going to pay for the transparent wall??
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Is Mexico going to pay for the transparent wall??
Yes, with invisible pesos! :silly:
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It's amazing to see people sit back and defend Trump as he openly admits he screwed them. Unbelievable, really.
Chances are some of his supporters haven't exactly deciphered what a 'transparent' wall is. :silly:
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I would try to defend myself here but I've just succeeded in helping another thread morph into people dissing Mother Theresa.
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Red State is ticking me off lately. They've slowly morphed into an anti-Trump site.
I like Susan Wright sometimes but her spin on this and the headline are wrong.
I never thought there would be a wall and there won't be a wall.
The wall may be becoming invisible but the stand against illegal immigration is still quite visible in new policies and new ways of dealing with immigration.
So, yeah, Red State ... there are already plenty of anti-Trump sites so if you become one, who needs you?
Oh yeah his stand is grand! You must be a dreamer. Dreaming of some immigration stand that doesn't exist.
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Yes, with invisible pesos! :silly:
ROFL!!!!!
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Red State and Susan Wright are not to be believed. This is hearsay.
:thumbsup:
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Look, I cannot go back on my resolution not to make personal insults ... particularly since it's only lasted a couple of days.
I do think Red State has gone to the dark side a little, but I don't blame anyone here for that at all.
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Assuming "invisible" isn't a metaphor for a virtual non existent wall a security wall that can be seen through reduces its effectiveness considerably. Knowing what's on the other side makes it much easier to breach the wall without consequences. You know where border patrol is and isn't without having to risk climbing the wall to find out.
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Assuming "invisible" isn't a metaphor for a virtual non existent wall a security wall that can be seen through reduces its effectiveness considerably. Knowing what's on the other side makes it much easier to breach the wall without consequences. You know where border patrol is and isn't without having to risk climbing the wall to find out.
True.
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Assuming "invisible" isn't a metaphor for a virtual non existent wall a security wall that can be seen through reduces its effectiveness considerably. Knowing what's on the other side makes it much easier to breach the wall without consequences. You know where border patrol is and isn't without having to risk climbing the wall to find out.
Poor assumption.
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Would you still be able to see through it at night time? I would think that would be the best time to try and breach the wall without anyone seeing you. It's a bit silly.
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Poor assumption.
I was being polite.
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Would you still be able to see through it at night time? I would think that would be the best time to try and breach the wall without anyone seeing you. It's a bit silly.
There are many miles of border. If you can see through it, you can see for miles if someone is patrolling it on the other side or not. Nighttime would only make that easier. You can see headlights and flashlights even further.
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Look, I cannot go back on my resolution not to make personal insults ... particularly since it's only lasted a couple of days.
I do think Red State has gone to the dark side a little, but I don't blame anyone here for that at all.
Red State has always been anti-Trump. They purged all of the Trumpers back during the primaries. It's been a hotbed of Establishment since it's founding.
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Red State has always been anti-Trump. They purged all of the Trumpers back during the primaries. It's been a hotbed of Establishment since it's founding.
You're probably right but I only recently noticed how blatant is has become.
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Red State has always been anti-Trump. They purged all of the Trumpers back during the primaries. It's been a hotbed of Establishment since it's founding.
What's a good conservative site? I don't mean pro-Trump, I just mean fair and balanced.
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Red State has always been anti-Trump. They purged all of the Trumpers back during the primaries. It's been a hotbed of Establishment since it's founding.
@anubias
@Emjay
Actually Redstate gave up its NeverTrump stance after the election, and said so publically. I just went over to the site and scrolled down the front page. There are articles that are critical of Trump and some that take his side.
I used to read over there quite a bit, and I never saw anything but conservatism from them.
I can't agree that Redstate has "gone to the dark side" because they call out Trump for turning his back on his agenda. Isn't that the right thing to do?
One of my favorite sites for balanced news and analysis is Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire. There are people here who will tell you he's a Never Trumper, even though he is on record saying otherwise. Sometimes he supports Trump, sometimes he doesn't, but he's always hell on leftists.
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@anubias
@Emjay
Actually Redstate gave up its NeverTrump stance after the election, and said so publically. I just went over to the site and scrolled down the front page. There are articles that are critical of Trump and some that take his side.
I used to read over there quite a bit, and I never saw anything but conservatism from them.
I can't agree that Redstate has "gone to the dark side" because they call out Trump for turning his back on his agenda. Isn't that the right thing to do?
One of my favorite sites for balanced news and analysis is Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire. There are people here who will tell you he's a Never Trumper, even though he is on record saying otherwise. Sometimes he supports Trump, sometimes he doesn't, but he's always hell on leftists.
Obviously your brand of Conservatism is not mine. If Conservatism is toeing the line of the Establishment Republicans, then yes, Red State was Conservative back in the day. Since @Emjay is and always has been a Bush fan, she would not have noticed the underlying manipulation there. She probably didn't know Eric at TOS back in the day and what he was all about. I am fairly certain that you do though. I wonder at your motivation sometimes.
Such as claiming that Ben Shapiro, who works for the Daily Wire, that was bought, paid for, and owned by the Wilkes brothers is to be trusted. We know he lied on National television when he told the BS story about witnessing the Lewindowski/Michelle Fields fiasco and got those of us that believed him up in arms. We know he immediately quit Breitbart because "they refused to support her." And we know the tape came out showing the truth and the truth was not the story Ben Shapiro told.
Amazingly enough, he just happened to have a job waiting in the wings. The Daily Wire! A company owned by none other than the Wilkes brothers that had give 15 million to Cruz's campaign. Good luck? Possibly. But, considering he lied through his teeth to put forth the story that Fields was attacked, a woman who has repeatedly lied about being attacked by pols before, I wonder at his motives. Why would someone with a promising career at Breitbart stick his neck out and lie in such a manner, possibly ruining his career, to bring down a political candidate? A candidate that he had been previously supporting within the last year? Unless he already had the multi-million dollar job from the Wilkes brothers waiting in the wings? Seems more plausible to me.
While I will read what he has to say, I don't consider him a pillar of Conservatism. Like Trump, he can't be trusted to speak the truth. The Daily Wire certainly isn't a site that I would consider to be a site for someone such as @Emjay that is looking for middle of the road as opposed to NeverTrump or AlwaysTrump. Nolte left almost a month ago leaving quite the void. One could hardly call the site "balanced" even when he was still there.
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Obviously your brand of Conservatism is not mine. If Conservatism is toeing the line of the Establishment Republicans, then yes, Red State was Conservative back in the day. Since @Emjay is and always has been a Bush fan, she would not have noticed the underlying manipulation there. She probably didn't know Eric at TOS back in the day and what he was all about. I am fairly certain that you do though. I wonder at your motivation sometimes.
Such as claiming that Ben Shapiro, who works for the Daily Wire, that was bought, paid for, and owned by the Wilkes brothers is to be trusted. We know he lied on National television when he told the BS story about witnessing the Lewindowski/Michelle Fields fiasco and got those of us that believed him up in arms. We know he immediately quit Breitbart because "they refused to support her." And we know the tape came out showing the truth and the truth was not the story Ben Shapiro told.
Amazingly enough, he just happened to have a job waiting in the wings. The Daily Wire! A company owned by none other than the Wilkes brothers that had give 15 million to Cruz's campaign. Good luck? Possibly. But, considering he lied through his teeth to put forth the story that Fields was attacked, a woman who has repeatedly lied about being attacked by pols before, I wonder at his motives. Why would someone with a promising career at Breitbart stick his neck out and lie in such a manner, possibly ruining his career, to bring down a political candidate? A candidate that he had been previously supporting within the last year? Unless he already had the multi-million dollar job from the Wilkes brothers waiting in the wings? Seems more plausible to me.
While I will read what he has to say, I don't consider him a pillar of Conservatism. Like Trump, he can't be trusted to speak the truth. The Daily Wire certainly isn't a site that I would consider to be a site for someone such as @Emjay that is looking for middle of the road as opposed to NeverTrump or AlwaysTrump. Nolte left almost a month ago leaving quite the void. One could hardly call the site "balanced" even when he was still there.
It's obvious that you've kept up much better than I have with the various political sites and columnists.
Thanks. Interesting. My problem with Red State lately is that I'm too much snide and snark from the columnists over there.
Is it too much to ask that they look for a few positive stories even if they DON'T make Trump look bad.
Sheesh.
Hah! Yeah, I did and do love the Bushes. If anyone wants to sue me about that, I must warn you, I have very little money.
I don't love Trump but I can see him abused daily on Yahoo, on all of the mainstream media and so on. I don't need Red State to pile on.
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By the way, on the Michelle Fields thing ... surely we are past that insignificant event ... but since we are not, I did think that Corey was a jerk but Michelle way over-dramatized the suffering.
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Thanks Red State for proving once again that you are a pile of irrelevant diaper shitting losers that no one cares about...
Evan McMullin for President
https://www.redstate.com/aglanon/2016/10/13/evan-mcmullin-president/
(https://2static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Evan_72be56_6068230.jpg)
McMullin owes nearly $670,000 for his failed presidential bid
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=5191365&itype=CMSID&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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It's obvious that you've kept up much better than I have with the various political sites and columnists.
Thanks. Interesting. My problem with Red State lately is that I'm too much snide and snark from the columnists over there.
Is it too much to ask that they look for a few positive stories even if they DON'T make Trump look bad.
Sheesh.
Hah! Yeah, I did and do love the Bushes. If anyone wants to sue me about that, I must warn you, I have very little money.
I don't love Trump but I can see him abused daily on Yahoo, on all of the mainstream media and so on. I don't need Red State to pile on.
I know you do and that's fine. I believe him to be a good person, just not a perfect POTUS. Reagan wasn't perfect either for that matter, but he has been the best by far in recent history. No POTUS is going to do everything I wish he would do and will do things I wish he would not. Trump included.
It's hard to stay positive with all the insanity going on right now and everyone trying to make a buck by nitpicking or posting with ulterior motives. Not knowing who to believe with all the lies being cast about. Not knowing just what Trump is thinking and what he will do. Reading smark and nastiness no matter what site you visit. All you can do is stick to what you believe in, hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and ignore all the bull. Be thankful that you are able to rise above it all as you have been doing since I first saw you on the forum. You're a treat @Emjay. Lord love ya!
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Thanks Red State for proving once again that you are a pile of irrelevant diaper shitting losers that no one cares about...
Evan McMullin for President
https://www.redstate.com/aglanon/2016/10/13/evan-mcmullin-president/
(https://2static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Evan_72be56_6068230.jpg)
McMullin owes nearly $670,000 for his failed presidential bid
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=5191365&itype=CMSID&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
:beer: You do have a way with words, @Frank Cannon ! LOL
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Obviously your brand of Conservatism is not mine. If Conservatism is toeing the line of the Establishment Republicans, then yes, Red State was Conservative back in the day. Since @Emjay is and always has been a Bush fan, she would not have noticed the underlying manipulation there. She probably didn't know Eric at TOS back in the day and what he was all about. I am fairly certain that you do though. I wonder at your motivation sometimes.
Such as claiming that Ben Shapiro, who works for the Daily Wire, that was bought, paid for, and owned by the Wilkes brothers is to be trusted. We know he lied on National television when he told the BS story about witnessing the Lewindowski/Michelle Fields fiasco and got those of us that believed him up in arms. We know he immediately quit Breitbart because "they refused to support her." And we know the tape came out showing the truth and the truth was not the story Ben Shapiro told.
Amazingly enough, he just happened to have a job waiting in the wings. The Daily Wire! A company owned by none other than the Wilkes brothers that had give 15 million to Cruz's campaign. Good luck? Possibly. But, considering he lied through his teeth to put forth the story that Fields was attacked, a woman who has repeatedly lied about being attacked by pols before, I wonder at his motives. Why would someone with a promising career at Breitbart stick his neck out and lie in such a manner, possibly ruining his career, to bring down a political candidate? A candidate that he had been previously supporting within the last year? Unless he already had the multi-million dollar job from the Wilkes brothers waiting in the wings? Seems more plausible to me.
While I will read what he has to say, I don't consider him a pillar of Conservatism. Like Trump, he can't be trusted to speak the truth. The Daily Wire certainly isn't a site that I would consider to be a site for someone such as @Emjay that is looking for middle of the road as opposed to NeverTrump or AlwaysTrump. Nolte left almost a month ago leaving quite the void. One could hardly call the site "balanced" even when he was still there.
@anubias
Lol, wow
I really didn't expecf my suggestions would be taken seriously, but I wasn't anticipating that stream of Conservative Treehouse/Gotnews/Free Republic conspiracy crap. So you bought into the lie from the same suspects who tried to say Erick Erickson was bought, even after being proved wrong. Well...people seem to be gullible these days, so.
Just offhand, I'd say Shapiro left his "promising career" at that dumpster fire site for the reasons he stated, and to start his own site, podcast, online show, etc. You can claim the guy isn't balanced all you want, but a glance at his Twitter squashes that.
Wonder about me all you like, babe. I couldn't care less. But you're right about one thing---we don't share the same brand of conservatism, and, boy, am I thankful.
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It's obvious that you've kept up much better than I have with the various political sites and columnists.
Thanks. Interesting. My problem with Red State lately is that I'm too much snide and snark from the columnists over there.
Is it too much to ask that they look for a few positive stories even if they DON'T make Trump look bad.
Sheesh.
Hah! Yeah, I did and do love the Bushes. If anyone wants to sue me about that, I must warn you, I have very little money.
I don't love Trump but I can see him abused daily on Yahoo, on all of the mainstream media and so on. I don't need Red State to pile on.
@Emjay
Trump is abandoning his immigration promises, saying that the wall is really a bunch of renovated fences, and now that it has to be transparent so Americans don't get hit in the head when Mexicans throw stuff over. If he doesn't deserve snark, no one ever has or will again.
Plus, it's fun.
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Thanks Red State for proving once again that you are a pile of irrelevant diaper shitting losers that no one cares about...
Evan McMullin for President
https://www.redstate.com/aglanon/2016/10/13/evan-mcmullin-president/
(https://2static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Evan_72be56_6068230.jpg)
You poor deluded bastard. I knew you would bring up the "Canadian Bacon" and "English Muffin." That farm fresh egg is from Dubuque f***ing Iowa, and that is GDamn AMERICAN cheese. President McMuffin would have been the most delicious President and the most economical, available 24 hours on the value menu. Popular, effective packaging, tasty, and satisfying...what more could you ask for in a President?
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Would you still be able to see through it at night time? I would think that would be the best time to try and breach the wall without anyone seeing you. It's a bit silly.
I know in Texas they have these large radar balloons on the border that...like the ones we used in Afghanistan...have night vision cameras and daylight cameras that can see for several miles in the direction they are aimed...with very good detail too.
(http://www.fronterasdesk.org/sites/default/files/field/image/2012/08/10/seek-00000039.jpg)
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I wonder what a transparent aluminum wall would cost!
(http://gajitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/scotty.jpg)
ALON® (http://www.surmet.com/technology/alon-optical-ceramics/index.php)
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(https://2static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Evan_72be56_6068230.jpg)
You poor deluded bastard. I knew you would bring up the "Canadian Bacon" and "English Muffin." That farm fresh egg is from Dubuque f***ing Iowa, and that is GDamn AMERICAN cheese. President McMuffin would have been the most delicious President and the most economical, available 24 hours on the value menu. Popular, effective packaging, tasty, and satisfying...what more could you ask for in a President?
Since you put it that way.
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@anubias
@Emjay
One of my favorite sites for balanced news and analysis is Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire. There are people here who will tell you he's a Never Trumper, even though he is on record saying otherwise. Sometimes he supports Trump, sometimes he doesn't, but he's always hell on leftists.
SHAPIRO: I Will Never Vote For Donald Trump. Here's Why. (http://www.dailywire.com/news/3896/shapiro-i-will-never-vote-donald-trump-heres-why-ben-shapiro)
@CatherineofAragon someone that publicly and sincerely declares they will "never vote for Donald Trump" is ................ wait for it ............ A NeverTrumper. Dud.
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SHAPIRO: I Will Never Vote For Donald Trump. Here's Why. (http://www.dailywire.com/news/3896/shapiro-i-will-never-vote-donald-trump-heres-why-ben-shapiro)
@CatherineofAragon someone that publicly and sincerely declares they will "never vote for Donald Trump" is ................ wait for it ............ A NeverTrumper. Dud.
Spoken like a true Trump apologist.
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SHAPIRO: I Will Never Vote For Donald Trump. Here's Why. (http://www.dailywire.com/news/3896/shapiro-i-will-never-vote-donald-trump-heres-why-ben-shapiro)
@CatherineofAragon someone that publicly and sincerely declares they will "never vote for Donald Trump" is ................ wait for it ............ A NeverTrumper. Dud.
@jpsb, like I said, he was NeverTrump before the election. After it was over, he wrote an editorial in which he said NT was done and he intended to give Trump a chance.
Do you not get that?
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@jpsb, like I said, he was NeverTrump before the election. After it was over, he wrote an editorial in which he said NT was done and he intended to give Trump a chance.
Do you not get that?
Oh I get just like you are willing to give Trump a chance. /s
NeverTrumpers saying they are willing to give Trump a chance are just sorry they made themselves irrelevant in politics and are trying desperately to make themselves relivant again.
I seriously doubt any are sincere.
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Oh I get just like you are willing to give Trump a chance. /s
She has when she felt it was deserved. As have a lot of us here.
Not that a Trump apologist who never finds fault with anything he does would ever admit that fact.
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Spoken like a true Trump apologist.
@txradioguy
The thing is, they could easily visit Shapiro's site/Twitter, or Erickson's, and find fair treatment of Trump right there in black and white. But they refuse to do so because it would interfere with their narrative.
The right has essentially become allergic to facts.
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@txradioguy
The thing is, they could easily visit Shapiro's site/Twitter, or Erickson's, and find fair treatment of Trump right there in black and white. But they refuse to do so because it would interfere with their narrative.
The right has essentially become allergic to facts.
@CatherineofAragon they won't even admit when Trump gets fair treatment from the ones they've smeared with the NT label here. Can't expect any of them to actually take the effort to click a link now can we?
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She has when she felt it was deserved. As have a lot of us here.
Not that a Trump apologist who never finds fault with anything he does would ever admit that fact.
I find it touching how all you poor misunderstood NeverTrumper stick together.
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Erickson is a disgusting human being. I will never click on any site that employs or publishes Erickson. Shapiro just a lying hypocrite so I will occasionally read his stuff.
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Oh I get just like you are willing to give Trump a chance. /s
NeverTrumpers saying they are willing to give Trump a chance are just sorry they made themselves irrelevant in politics and are trying desperately to make themselves relivant again.
I seriously doubt any are sincere.
@jpsb
That's right, like me. For example, the post I made recently saying that he looked like he really enjoyed helping the people who were flooded out by the hurricane, and that he came across as truly genuine. But you want to keep screeching "NeverTrumper", so knock yourself out.
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The headline is typical of the condescension from Red State; a transparent border wall is the only way to go, that's been well reported on. You have to be able to see through it according to a number of experts but Never Trump websites like RS will say this.
I will make sure this kind of propaganda is challenged back to cheerleading red state.
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The headline is typical of the condescension from Red State; a transparent border wall is the only way to go, that's been well reported on. You have to be able to see through it according to a number of experts but Never Trump websites like RS will say this.
I will make sure this kind of propaganda is challenged back to cheerleading red state.
What is factually inaccurate about the headline?
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Erickson is a disgusting human being. I will never click on any site that employs or publishes Erickson. Shapiro just a lying hypocrite so I will occasionally read his stuff.
I don't even know what you were quoting. It's an empty box.
@jpsb, this morning I find myself almost at the end of patience with this simple-minded TOS-brand absence of thought which labels everyone who disagrees with your god emperor, in any way, as the enemy, a horrible person, etc. I can feel my IQ dropping.
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Trying to figure out why someone would ping me to say that it's okay to sneer at Trump and besides, it's fun.
It may be fun and okay but it is also the 'in' thing to do among a lot of people who lack perspective.
The absolute worst thing about Trump is his tweeting wherein he gives ammo to his haters. If only he wouldn't tweet. Also, his tweets only reflect whatever current annoyance is on his mind.
There is nothing whatsoever to be gained by sneering and snarking at Trump. Everybody's doing it, though, so it must be okay.
Whatever negatives there are about Trump are covered fully by the MSM every day and every hour.
He does have goals that are things we want ... He's not a smart guy and he hasn't been able to realize those goals yet but at least he has them.
Clinton was a serial rapist and even had sex with someone in the Oval Office. Even he did not get this treatment from the press. I guess it wasn't 'fun' at the time.
Obama is a racist, socialist who was intent on destroying this country. He got nothing but praise from the press ... must not have been 'fun' to criticize him.
Trump is not a rapist or a socialist ... but he is an easy target.
So, let's all have 'fun.'
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@CatherineofAragon they won't even admit when Trump gets fair treatment from the ones they've smeared with the NT label here. Can't expect any of them to actually take the effort to click a link now can we?
@txradioguy
Well, it has to be from an approved source. Speaking of which, is Breitbart still permissible or are they on the dark side now?
I'm tired of the whole mess...complaints that people never give Trump credit, but when they do, well, that's not really credit. Cultism can't be reasoned with.
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@txradioguy
I'm tired of the whole mess...complaints that people never give Trump credit, but when they do, well, that's not really credit. Cultism can't be reasoned with.
Yeah I'm over it too.
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Yeah I'm over it too.
Good. Let's hope you are.
I resent the implication ... well, not the implication, the accusation that people don't give NT'ers credit when they applaud Trump for something.
Usual caveat: I get very annoyed with Trump also but it's not my life's work to bash him.
Why should mostly NT'ers expect credit on those rare occasions when they give faint praise to Trump? But if I had a gold star handy, I would pin one on y'all. I won't need many gold stars so I don't think I'll order a whole bunch from Amazon.
You people hated Trump all during the primary ... and I admit I was among you people on that ... but that's over till the next primary.
I find Trump annoying a lot of times. He changes positions. He tweets.
But is there another Republican president waiting in the wings that I don't know about.
Trump will be president for 3 more years.
He has done nothing worthy of impeachment so unless he dies from lack of alcohol, I'm looking hard to find the point in joining Obama, Hillary, Hollywood, overpaid NFL players and the MSM in criticizing him every single day.
If someone can 'splain that to me, I'd appreciate it.
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The headline is typical of the condescension from Red State; a transparent border wall is the only way to go, that's been well reported on. You have to be able to see through it according to a number of experts but Never Trump websites like RS will say this.
I will make sure this kind of propaganda is challenged back to cheerleading red state.
Good points @TomSea .... The headline does it's best to make the President's statement sound foolish. But it wasn't. I posted up thread a link to the President's rally speech for a fuller explanation, even directing readers to the point on the video where the President begins speaking about the wall.
Additional articles about the wall have confirmed the need for "transparency" is coming from border patrol agents. I would hope their opinions would matter to folks around here ... especially to those who still insist the President doesn't take advice from anyone.
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Y'all are like disgruntled employees sitting around the break room griping about the boss.
It's pointless, but maybe satisfying in a small way.
Y'all need to examine your options.
Is there a better job you can get?
Would you rather live on the street?
We have no real options right now other than to hope with all our hearts that Trump manages to do some of the things he promised.
He gets distracted over petty criticisms which is, admittedly petty, but I prefer to give him a little respect right now and hope he rights the ship.
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Y'all are like disgruntled employees sitting around the break room griping about the boss.
It's pointless, but maybe satisfying in a small way.
Y'all need to examine your options.
Is there a better job you can get?
Would you rather live on the street?
We have no real options right now other than to hope with all our hearts that Trump manages to do some of the things he promised.
He gets distracted over petty criticisms which is, admittedly petty, but I prefer to give him a little respect right now and hope he rights the ship.
People complaining about the President on a message board may be pointless, but it's no less pointless than people on a message board twisting themselves into a pretzel to congratulate or excuse some action by the President (not necessarily talking about you, @Emjay ). Fortunately, we live in a country where both sides are able to voice their OPINIONS.......pointless or not.
I believe respect is earned. I certainly respect the office of the President, but I gotta tell ya the name-calling, the pettiness, the attempts to settle personal grievances, the culture wars, by this President are all truly wearing on me. He says he can be more Presidential than every President than Lincoln. Well, with everything going on in the world today, I sure wish he'd start. Sadly, I just don't think he's capable of doing it.
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People complaining about the President on a message board may be pointless, but it's no less pointless than people on a message board twisting themselves into a pretzel to congratulate or excuse some action by the President (not necessarily talking about you, @Emjay ). Fortunately, we live in a country where both sides are able to voice their OPINIONS.......pointless or not.
I believe respect is earned. I certainly respect the office of the President, but I gotta tell ya the name-calling, the pettiness, the attempts to settle personal grievances, the culture wars, by this President are all truly wearing on me. He says he can be more Presidential than every President than Lincoln. Well, with everything going on in the world today, I sure wish he'd start. Sadly, I just don't think he's capable of doing it.
This poster wants a PC president. I don't.
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This poster wants a PC president. I don't.
@jpsb I want a President who aspires to earn respect through his actions and his words. I want a President who puts country in front of his own wants and desires. I want a President focused on leading our country through incredibly dangerous times, and not one focused on trying to settle petty grievances. If you consider that a PC President, you are entitled to that opinion, but I think you can be non-PC without resorting to childish name-calling.
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The Daily Wire certainly isn't a site that I would consider to be a site for someone such as @Emjay that is looking for middle of the road as opposed to NeverTrump or AlwaysTrump.
I remember those things from a former time. Were called newspapers, with pages of journalism in them. Reporters would write about newsworthy events – the so called ‘hard news’ items – factual stories about what was happening around important events and people, and what the central players were saying about these events. Complete and accurate quotes were essential to a story for readers to understand events.
And readers agreed about a couple of things. They weren’t expecting news to be from a democrat or a republican perspective – they got that from the editorial pages. What they wanted were the facts, not the reporters take on the facts. The readers were then free to process that information and draw their own conclusions – if any conclusions were there to be drawn.
So, what has happened to us?
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People complaining about the President on a message board may be pointless, but it's no less pointless than people on a message board twisting themselves into a pretzel to congratulate or excuse some action by the President (not necessarily talking about you, @Emjay ). Fortunately, we live in a country where both sides are able to voice their OPINIONS.......pointless or not.
I believe respect is earned. I certainly respect the office of the President, but I gotta tell ya the name-calling, the pettiness, the attempts to settle personal grievances, the culture wars, by this President are all truly wearing on me. He says he can be more Presidential than every President than Lincoln. Well, with everything going on in the world today, I sure wish he'd start. Sadly, I just don't think he's capable of doing it.
Very afraid you are right, Concerned. It's getting harder and harder to stay positive about Trump.
He is killing us and himself with his tweets. He and his great wife go to troubled areas. They look good and act potus and scotus. He gets a kid to mow the lawn at the White House ... great photo op. He keeps trying to get a travel ban passed. He's made some great appointments.
But, but, but he is simply incapable of stopping the tweeting and no one seems to be capable of making him stop.
Every single day he shoots himself in the foot with his thumb.
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I love the fact he’s tweeting and I’m glad he has no intentions of listening to the naysayers. It’s been an effective tool and Trump gotta be Trump.
Trump simply taking in air gives his looney enemies ammunition. And if it wasn’t Trump it would have been Cruz giving everybody the vapors.
I’ve never known our leftist media to treat any republican fairly. I chose not to believe the hyper-ventilators in the press.
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Very afraid you are right, Concerned. It's getting harder and harder to stay positive about Trump.
He is killing us and himself with his tweets. He and his great wife go to troubled areas. They look good and act potus and scotus. He gets a kid to mow the lawn at the White House ... great photo op. He keeps trying to get a travel ban passed. He's made some great appointments.
But, but, but he is simply incapable of stopping the tweeting and no one seems to be capable of making him stop.
Every single day he shoots himself in the foot with his thumb.
And not just he and FLOTUS going to troubled areas, but his key cabinet members are actively engaged in the 3 natural disasters his Administration has had to respond to over the past couple of weeks. This federal response is as well done as any I can remember, and that's all the while balancing 3 of them. Unfortunately, his tweets and his name calling take the spotlight off that and put it squarely on petty, relatively unimportant crap. His hard core base may eat this stuff up, but for a President who only garnered 46% of the vote, it certainly doesn't increase his base, and ultimately just isn't in his best interest or in the best interest of the country IMO. Sad he just can't seem to help himself.
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And not just he and SCOTUS going to troubled areas, but his key cabinet members are actively engaged in the 3 natural disasters his Administration has had to respond to over the past couple of weeks. This federal response is as well done as any I can remember, and that's all the while balancing 3 of them. Unfortunately, his tweets and his name calling take the spotlight off that and put it squarely on petty, relatively unimportant crap. His hard core base may eat this stuff up, but for a President who only garnered 46% of the vote, it certainly doesn't increase his base, and ultimately just isn't in his best interest or in the best interest of the country IMO. Sad he just can't seem to help himself.
I think he's a lot smarter, or perhaps shrewder, than most people, especially the media think (or he's got great advisors). He's going to be attacked and ridiculed anyway, at least he's (for the most part) controlling the subject matter.
I could be wrong. Maybe he's a dumbask who's just getting really lucky. I think it's more likely he's gotten to where he is by stealth. We may never know, but that's my opinion, for what it's not worth.
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I think he's a lot smarter, or perhaps shrewder, than most people, especially the media think (or he's got great advisors). He's going to be attacked and ridiculed anyway, at least he's (for the most part) controlling the subject matter.
I could be wrong. Maybe he's a dumbask who's just getting really lucky. I think it's more likely he's gotten to where he is by stealth. We may never know, but that's my opinion, for what it's not worth.
@InHeavenThereIsNoBeer
I think you’re right that controlling the narrative is a huge part of it, but when he controls the narrative on such controversial things as Charlottesville, 3M-5M illegals voting, Obama “wiretapping” him, and NFL players protesting, is it really in his best interest? Does it increase the 46% who voted for him or instead does it energize some on the other side who may not have voted in 2020 but now will? I think this apparent desire to control the narrative is ultimately working against him. I certainly can’t see how it’s increasing his voting base. I expect to see another dip in his approval ratings after it was ticking upwards. Yet another self-inflicted wound I’m afraid.
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@InHeavenThereIsNoBeer
I think you’re right that controlling the narrative is a huge part of it, but when he controls the narrative on such controversial things as Charlottesville, 3M-5M illegals voting, Obama “wiretapping” him, and NFL players protesting, is it really in his best interest? Does it increase the 46% who voted for him or instead does it energize some on the other side who may not have voted in 2020 but now will? I think this apparent desire to control the narrative is ultimately working against him. I certainly can’t see how it’s increasing his voting base. I expect to see another dip in his approval ratings after it was ticking upwards. Yet another self-inflicted wound I’m afraid.
@Concerned
Sunday Night Football viewership was off 8-10% (w/w vs y/y IIRC) last night. I trust that metric more than approval ratings from agencies which aren't always the most non-partisan. I think a lot of people are going to look at his comments on the protests and the NFL's reaction and decide that he's the one who is right(/sane).
Heck, if he keeps it up, I might just vote for him.
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The headline is typical of the condescension from Red State; a transparent border wall is the only way to go, that's been well reported on. You have to be able to see through it according to a number of experts but Never Trump websites like RS will say this.
I will make sure this kind of propaganda is challenged back to cheerleading red state.
@TomSea
How about Breitbart? Are they still a trusted source, or in light of recent events, are they now on the verboten list?
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It's a decent opinion but not sure you're right.
I think he has a bit of a split personality. His problems seem to come to the fore in the middle of the night. He's never been able to sleep well. On TOS they used to brag about Trump only needed 3 or 4 hours sleep, as though it was a good thing.
It's not a good thing and it can interfere with sane thinking. Those tweets all seem to come out in the wee hours of the morning.
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@InHeavenThereIsNoBeer
I think you’re right that controlling the narrative is a huge part of it, but when he controls the narrative on such controversial things as Charlottesville, 3M-5M illegals voting, Obama “wiretapping” him, and NFL players protesting, is it really in his best interest? Does it increase the 46% who voted for him or instead does it energize some on the other side who may not have voted in 2020 but now will? I think this apparent desire to control the narrative is ultimately working against him. I certainly can’t see how it’s increasing his voting base. I expect to see another dip in his approval ratings after it was ticking upwards. Yet another self-inflicted wound I’m afraid.
Democrat/Media inflicted wound.
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@Concerned
Sunday Night Football viewership was off 8-10% (w/w vs y/y IIRC) last night. I trust that metric more than approval ratings from agencies which aren't always the most non-partisan. I think a lot of people are going to look at his comments on the protests and the NFL's reaction and decide that he's the one who is right(/sane).
The NFL has chosen the position that America is Racist, and deserves to have their national anthem protested. Now they have to protest it. To stop protesting it will be seen as capitulating. It will be seen as admitting they were wrong to do it in the first place.
If they continue to protest it, it will make people increasingly angry at them, because people don't tune in to football games to hear how nasty is their country, they do so to be entertained.
The NFL has foolishly chosen a lose/lose position, where whatever they do will either be seen as either capitulating on their principles, or expressing hatred of America.
They cannot make a right move from this point forward. Any direction they go is a trap.
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Wow. This is still going on. Must really be a slow news day. :laugh:
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Trying to figure out why someone would ping me to say that it's okay to sneer at Trump and besides, it's fun.
It may be fun and okay but it is also the 'in' thing to do among a lot of people who lack perspective.
The absolute worst thing about Trump is his tweeting wherein he gives ammo to his haters. If only he wouldn't tweet. Also, his tweets only reflect whatever current annoyance is on his mind.
There is nothing whatsoever to be gained by sneering and snarking at Trump. Everybody's doing it, though, so it must be okay.
Whatever negatives there are about Trump are covered fully by the MSM every day and every hour.
He does have goals that are things we want ... He's not a smart guy and he hasn't been able to realize those goals yet but at least he has them.
Clinton was a serial rapist and even had sex with someone in the Oval Office. Even he did not get this treatment from the press. I guess it wasn't 'fun' at the time.
Obama is a racist, socialist who was intent on destroying this country. He got nothing but praise from the press ... must not have been 'fun' to criticize him.
Trump is not a rapist or a socialist ... but he is an easy target.
So, let's all have 'fun.'
@Emjay, lighten up. Trump is making it clear the wall isn't going to happen, unless renovated fences really do qualify, and in most people's minds, I imagine that isn't the case. He isn't Mother Theresa and he doesn't deserve to be treated with kid gloves.
Having goals means nothing unless they're realized. In Trump's case, at least some of those goals were empty promises.
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I think he's a lot smarter, or perhaps shrewder, than most people, especially the media think (or he's got great advisors). He's going to be attacked and ridiculed anyway, at least he's (for the most part) controlling the subject matter.
I could be wrong. Maybe he's a dumbask who's just getting really lucky. I think it's more likely he's gotten to where he is by stealth. We may never know, but that's my opinion, for what it's not worth.
In the 40 years that Donald Trump has been a worldwide name, and among the thousands of people Trump has interacted with in his many roles and long career as a builder, I doubt any have said that about Trump. More likely they thought, watch out for this guy he’s smart and he’s shrewd, as you first suggested.
Of course after getting into politics came the inevitable mudslinging and his transformation into Hitler, Stalin and Darth Vader combined. And, in addition to being an evil genius, from listening to his critics, you’d think that Trump is dumb and stumbled into his billion dollar empire. You know, the guy doesn’t even read, much less know what’s in the constitution...right? Funny, but in all the years before politics, no one ever accused Trump of being a racist.
But Trump knows how to build a wall – as well as what’s in the constitution. His company built a million walls. And I think millions of non political people as well as his political base see exactly where Trump stands on issues important to them and wholeheartedly support his agenda and what he says in his tweets.
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@jpsb I want a President who aspires to earn respect
Bla bla bla, this president fights!
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@CatherineofAragon they won't even admit when Trump gets fair treatment from the ones they've smeared with the NT label here. Can't expect any of them to actually take the effort to click a link now can we?
@CatherineofAragon
@txradioguy
I truly fear for the future of the Conservative movement.
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Bla bla bla, this president fights!
If an impulsive "fighter" is enough for you, fair enough. I'd rather have a creative problem solver who figures out how to grow his voting base, who strives to earn respect from beyond just his base, and who figures out a way to institutionalize his policies into law.
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Bla bla bla, this president fights!
Fighters with no aim just break things.
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I never believed there would be a wall but I did and do hope there will be much better border security.
Obama really decimated the border patrol people. They were disarmed and disheartened because they were handcuffed in their efforts.
Obama put us in a black hole (no pun intended) about border security. He did not care about it at all.
I think that is being remedied to some extent and that's a good thing.
so, please, people, I am light as a feather, almost to the point of floating so I don't need to lighten up.
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@CatherineofAragon
@txradioguy
I truly fear for the future of the Conservative movement.
You and me both.
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You and me both.
I think there's a cry room in the church. Why don't y'all head over there?
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I think there's a cry room in the church. Why don't y'all head over there?
How about you drop your sad imitation of RiV.
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How about you drop your sad imitation of RiV.
How about you get a damn life @txradioguy
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How about you get a damn life @txradioguy
Because his life is turned upside down by that big, bad Donald Trump. I’m sure once Donald Trump is impeached and gone from the White House he’ll be all better.
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How about you drop your sad imitation of RiV.
Oh, don't even start with me. You know perfectly well I'm not a Trump devotee and he infuriates me daily.
But you and some of your fellow whiners infuriate me also.
You're so whiny and downbeat and you have fun in dissing Trump while offering no solutions at all.
The country is still conservative ... I see it in my e-mails; I see it in person and I see it on my Facebook page.
The mere fact that Roy Moore is leading in Alabama should tell you something about that.
Yes, 8 years of Obama put us in a black hole and we can't leap out, we have to climb out.
And you defeatists crying because we're not climbing fast enough sometimes just gets on my nerves to the point that I have to make a snarky comment.
I'm usually a nicer person than that and I apologize.
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@InHeavenThereIsNoBeer
I think you’re right that controlling the narrative is a huge part of it, but when he controls the narrative on such controversial things as Charlottesville, 3M-5M illegals voting, Obama “wiretapping” him, and NFL players protesting, is it really in his best interest? Does it increase the 46% who voted for him or instead does it energize some on the other side who may not have voted in 2020 but now will? I think this apparent desire to control the narrative is ultimately working against him. I certainly can’t see how it’s increasing his voting base. I expect to see another dip in his approval ratings after it was ticking upwards. Yet another self-inflicted wound I’m afraid.
@Concerned
I don't think it's a desire to control the narrative at all. Trump wanted to distract from his backpedal on the wall and on immigration, so he went to Twitter and threw out some red meat. He does it every time he screws up.
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@CatherineofAragon
@txradioguy
I truly fear for the future of the Conservative movement.
@kevindavis
@txradioguy
I think it's pretty much done, at least for now. It isn't about policy or thought; it's about making " 'splodey heads 'splode", as a moron once said.
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I think there's a cry room in the church. Why don't y'all head over there?
@Emjay
Can we classify that as snark? I think we can.
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@Emjay
Can we classify that as snark? I think we can.
No, please don’t tell me snark is forbidden. Then I, along with Frank and half of our members, would have nothing to say.
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No, please don’t tell me snark is forbidden. Then I, along with Frank and half of our members, would have nothing to say.
Yeah, don't forbid snark. It's fun.
However, I choose to stick to fact-based posts that offend nobody.
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Funny, but in all the years before politics, no one ever accused Trump of being a racist.
Yeah, sure.
Other than a lawsuit accusing him of engaging in systematic discrimination against black people.
And the president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City quoting him as saying, “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. . . . I think that’s guy’s lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.” (He said the book quoting him was “probably true.”)
There are other examples.
Is he an egregious racist? Probably not. But to claim that there were never any accusations is patently false.
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Yeah, sure.
Other than a lawsuit accusing him of engaging in systematic discrimination against black people.
And the president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City quoting him as saying, “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. . . . I think that’s guy’s lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.” (He said the book quoting him was “probably true.”)
There are other examples.
Is he an egregious racist? Probably not. But to claim that there were never any accusations is patently false.
(http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/trump-immigrant.jpg)
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@kevindavis
@txradioguy
I think it's pretty much done, at least for now. It isn't about policy or thought; it's about making " 'splodey heads 'splode", as a moron once said.
It's turning vicious, as it should have done back in 1992, if not earlier. It is coming to the realization that it's leadership has been deliberately lying to it, and undermining it, and it now realizes that the entire broadcasting infrastructure is an edifice for promulgating deliberately liberal propaganda and censoring news stories and ideas which demonstrate that the Conservative perspective more accurately describes the real world.
It is coming to realize it has been conned for a long time, and it is now angry about it.
Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit has repeatedly been saying something similar to the following.
We tried bipartisianship with George HW Bush. We tried being "nice" with Mitt Romney. Now we are trying "rude" with Trump.
*****Edited by Mod8 to remove what may be perceived by some as an implied threat*****
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Yeah, sure.
Other than a lawsuit accusing him of engaging in systematic discrimination against black people.
And the president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City quoting him as saying, “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. . . . I think that’s guy’s lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.” (He said the book quoting him was “probably true.”)
There are other examples.
Is he an egregious racist? Probably not. But to claim that there were never any accusations is patently false.
You know he’s gotten awards from black leaders for his fair hiring practices and other efforts to help blacks, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellis_Island_Medal_of_Honor
http://www.snopes.com/trump-received-ellis-island-award-in-1986/
Praised by none other than Jesse Jackson for lifetime of helping black community: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_K1-nzxzzug
http://nypost.com/2016/08/31/jesse-jackson-once-sang-donald-trumps-praises/
There are other examples.
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By the way Mr. Suppressed, I defy you to find one large corporation in business long that hasn’t been sued for sexual or racial discrimination and nearly everything else under the sun today. By the way, was his company found guilty in the example you stated?
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By the way Mr. Suppressed, I defy you to find one large corporation in business long that hasn’t been sued for sexual or racial discrimination and nearly everything else under the sun today. By the way, was his company found guilty in the example you stated?
You are moving the goal posts. You said "Funny, but in all the years before politics, no one ever accused Trump of being a racist."
And Suppressed provided examples of people accusing him of discriminating against blacks in business contradicting what you said. And now you want to elevate accusations to being "found guilty" in a court of law as somehow proving you were right. Not the same thing. Not your claim that was being responded to.
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You are moving the goal posts. You said "Funny, but in all the years before politics, no one ever accused Trump of being a racist."
And Suppressed provided examples of people accusing him of discriminating against blacks in business contradicting what you said. And now you want to elevate accusations to being "found guilty" in a court of law as somehow proving you were right. Not the same thing. Not your claim that was being responded to.
Nice try. Frivolous lawsuits are filed every day in this country. Anybody can claim anything in a filing. The question is, can they provide credible evidence in a courtroom to back up their claim.
I’m still waiting for that answer.
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It's turning vicious, as it should have done back in 1992, if not earlier. It is coming to the realization that it's leadership has been deliberately lying to it, and undermining it, and it now realizes that the entire broadcasting infrastructure is an edifice for promulgating deliberately liberal propaganda and censoring news stories and ideas which demonstrate that the Conservative perspective more accurately describes the real world.
It is coming to realize it has been conned for a long time, and it is now angry about it.
Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit has repeatedly been saying something similar to the following.
We tried bipartisianship with George HW Bush. We tried being "nice" with Mitt Romney. Now we are trying "rude" with Trump.
@DiogenesLamp
Your leader is lying to you now and you're lapping it up and asking for more. The wall he promised you is renovated fences.
Look, we know the extent of your warrior's blood doesn't extend beyond the keyboard. I'm pretty sure you're about as vicious in real life as a neutered Labradoodle. So for God's sake, quit the posturing.
Don't expect credit from me for you wanting things to turn vicious. You're a part of the problem.
When you tell me I won't like what you'll try next, I start wondering if that's a threat. I suggest you be very careful with that kind of thing, understand?
You come across as a raving lunatic with your veiled threats of violence and your nutcase conspiracy crap about Hillary Clinton killing people with witchcraft spells. I hope lurkers who see your posts recognize you as the token nut.
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@DiogenesLamp
Your leader is lying to you now and you're lapping it up and asking for more. The wall he promised you is renovated fences.
Look, we know the extent of your warrior's blood doesn't extend beyond the keyboard.
You do not. You have no idea what I have already done. I dare say you would have sh*t a brick had you engaged in the political fights I've already fought. I've been threatened with arrest, i've had people twice set fire to my land, i've been harassed and mocked by hecklers at political events.
I've been interviewed by dozens of Television, Radio and Newspaper reporters for my political stances and my activism. I've spent large sums of my own money in the political campaigns I have engaged in. I've organized and directed men to conduct political operations that were highly successful.
My signs have been attacked with fire, axes and gun shots, i've done about all there is to do except to get out in the street and brawl with Antifa, and if there were any of them in my state, I would very likely go do that.
I have a letter in my desk right now that came from the Federal Election Commission bringing charges against me for interfering in a Federal Election. I was going to be a defendant in a prosecution over my political campaigning. Thankfully they dropped the charges because there was no stomach to pursue them on their part. (We would have argued "Freedom of Speech")
I could have probably parleyed my successes into some sort of political career, but like Cincinnatus, once I had defeated my enemies, I went back to my regular life.
But I made an indelible mark on my state. My group got laws changed, and we have photographs of us with the governor signing the new laws. (I won't tell you what they were because from that you can figure out who my group was, and therefore who I am.)
So tell me, what political fights have you been involved in? Were you thinking you might be assaulted or arrested when you left home to go fight? Many of us were thinking we would be assaulted or arrested, and we were ready to pay the price.
I'm pretty sure you're about as vicious in real life as a neutered Labradoodle. So for God's sake, quit the posturing.
I'm noticing you are at least consistent in your inability to perceive certain things that seem obvious to me and others.
Don't expect credit from me for you wanting things to turn vicious. You're a part of the problem.
When you tell me I won't like what you'll try next, I start wondering if that's a threat. I suggest you be very careful with that kind of thing, understand?
Well first of all, I was paraphrasing Glenn Reynolds who says this quite a lot, and yes, he is implying a threat, and he is a mild mannered law professor from the University of Tennessee, so I take it as a measure of how strongly he feels about attempts to overthrow the duly elected government of Donald Trump. I also note that there are many other people who feel the same way as does he, and this is not even a remarkable opinion among most of the circles I run in.
Second of all, the threat is directed at the establishment machine. If they overthrow Trump by their machinations, at the very least they are likely to get riots in the streets. No one can predict what will happen, but it may turn out even uglier than just riots in the street.
People are tired of getting lied to and pushed around, and if they overthrow Trump, I think a lot of people will see this as the last straw.
You come across as a raving lunatic with your veiled threats of violence
And you come across as someone unable to read, because I clearly pointed out that this was Glenn Reyonalds statements, though I and a lot of other people happen to agree with him.
and your nutcase conspiracy crap about Hillary Clinton killing people with witchcraft spells.
Again, more evidence that you either can't, or don't bother to read. I merely linked articles posted about Hillary being involved in witchcraft, which seemed to be a big thing for some people awhile back.
It also wasn't Hillary that claimed to have killed people with witchcraft spells, it was some Washingtonian socialite who spouted that nonsense. I merely pointed out that a lot of these people believe in that crap.
I don't.
I hope lurkers who see your posts recognize you as the token nut.
Don't care. I've lived long enough to realize that:
"What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass."
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You do not. You have no idea what I have already done. I dare say you would have sh*t a brick had you engaged in the political fights I've already fought. I've been threatened with arrest, i've had people twice set fire to my land, i've been harassed and mocked by hecklers at political events.
I've been interviewed by dozens of Television, Radio and Newspaper reporters for my political stances and my activism. I've spent large sums of my own money in the political campaigns I have engaged in. I've organized and directed men to conduct political operations that were highly successful.
My signs have been attacked with fire, axes and gun shots, i've done about all there is to do except to get out in the street and brawl with Antifa, and if there were any of them in my state, I would very likely go do that.
I have a letter in my desk right now that came from the Federal Election Commission bringing charges against me for interfering in a Federal Election. I was going to be a defendant in a prosecution over my political campaigning. Thankfully they dropped the charges because there was no stomach to pursue them on their part. (We would have argued "Freedom of Speech")
I could have probably parleyed my successes into some sort of political career, but like Cincinnatus, once I had defeated my enemies, I went back to my regular life.
But I made an indelible mark on my state. My group got laws changed, and we have photographs of us with the governor signing the new laws. (I won't tell you what they were because from that you can figure out who my group was, and therefore who I am.)
So tell me, what political fights have you been involved in? Were you thinking you might be assaulted or arrested when you left home to go fight? Many of us were thinking we would be assaulted or arrested, and we were ready to pay the price.
I'm noticing you are at least consistent in your inability to perceive certain things that seem obvious to me and others.
Well first of all, I was paraphrasing Glenn Reynolds who says this quite a lot, and yes, he is implying a threat, and he is a mild mannered law professor from the University of Tennessee, so I take it as a measure of how strongly he feels about attempts to overthrow the duly elected government of Donald Trump. I also note that there are many other people who feel the same way as does he, and this is not even a remarkable opinion among most of the circles I run in.
Second of all, the threat is directed at the establishment machine. If they overthrow Trump by their machinations, at the very least they are likely to get riots in the streets. No one can predict what will happen, but it may turn out even uglier than just riots in the street.
People are tired of getting lied to and pushed around, and if they overthrow Trump, I think a lot of people will see this as the last straw.
And you come across as someone unable to read, because I clearly pointed out that this was Glenn Reyonalds statements, though I and a lot of other people happen to agree with him.
Again, more evidence that you either can't, or don't bother to read. I merely linked articles posted about Hillary being involved in witchcraft, which seemed to be a big thing for some people awhile back.
It also wasn't Hillary that claimed to have killed people with witchcraft spells, it was some Washingtonian socialite who spouted that nonsense. I merely pointed out that a lot of these people believe in that crap.
I don't.
Don't care. I've lived long enough to realize that:
"What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass."
@DiogenesLamp
I know you don't care, but I do, for the sake of the forum.
If "dozens" of media outlets really have interviewed you, and if you've been charged with interfering in an election, etc., I'd guess it's because your behavior is every bit unhinged as your posts. But let's get it straight----that doesn't mean you're Braveheart. Oh, I'm sorry---Cincinnatus! That was who you compared yourself to, lol.
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Nice try. Frivolous lawsuits are filed every day in this country. Anybody can claim anything in a filing. The question is, can they provide credible evidence in a courtroom to back up their claim.
I’m still waiting for that answer.
Wow. Your own words were "no one ever accused"... And now you want to claim it means convicted... Accused means accused. If that wasn't what you meant to say, say so, but don't twist the meaning of words because you were corrected on it.
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@DiogenesLamp
I know you don't care, but I do, for the sake of the forum.
If "dozens" of media outlets really have interviewed you, and if you've been charged with interfering in an election, etc., I'd guess it's because your behavior is every bit unhinged as your posts. But let's get it straight----that doesn't mean you're Braveheart. Oh, I'm sorry---Cincinnatus! That was who you compared yourself to, lol.
What it means is that I have fought political battles harder than keyboard commandos like yourself, and I have won them.
To paraphrase Captain Jack Sparrow, Of the two of us, I am the only one who has won any political fights, therefore my word is the one we should be trusting. "
I've won the thanks of two Governors of my state; The current one and the previous one. I've won the thanks of several elected officials from my State, one of which is still serving as a US Senator. It was about that contest that the FEC wanted to charge me.
We kicked the Democrat's @$$ so badly that he immediately filed a weepy whiny complaint to the FEC, who sent me that letter naming me personally as the target of their investigation.
He never came back to our state. He still lives in Virginia, last I heard.
A pox on him. 26 of us showed up in his office to warn him not to do a thing which he then subsequently did, and we told his secretary that day that he would rue his defiance of the people of his home state.
We made certain that he did.
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Wow. Your own words were "no one ever accused"... And now you want to claim it means convicted... Accused means accused. If that wasn't what you meant to say, say so, but don't twist the meaning of words because you were corrected on it.
I think people can "accuse" anything. Whether or not there is merit to it is another matter. One way to measure the merit of an accusation is a court decision which supports it, but that is not the only way.
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I think people can "accuse" anything. Whether or not there is merit to it is another matter. One way to measure the merit of an accusation is a court decision which supports it, but that is not the only way.
I'm not arguing that point. I didn't use the words "... no one ever accused Trump of being a racist". I wouldn't have used those words because first, people have made that accusation and second either way it doesn't mean much. To elevate that to "no one ever convicted Trump of being a racist" is moving the goal posts.
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@Concerned
I don't think it's a desire to control the narrative at all. Trump wanted to distract from his backpedal on the wall and on immigration, so he went to Twitter and threw out some red meat. He does it every time he screws up.
@CatherineofAragon
I'm certainly not going to argue with you about whether he's trying to control the narrative or whether he's trying to distract or both.
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I am wearing my Hula Grill T Shirt as I type this @Emjay. So we are closer together, at least in spirit, than you think, hope that doesn't scare you.
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My favorite place to eat and drink on Kaanapali. And no better place to forget the clowns in D.C.
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Exclusive picture of transparent wall with new border control agent:
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Wow. Your own words were "no one ever accused"... And now you want to claim it means convicted... Accused means accused. If that wasn't what you meant to say, say so, but don't twist the meaning of words because you were corrected on it.
OK let’s see if you can follow the big picture.
If Donald Trump were racist, why would Jesse Jackson, one of America’s top race hustlers, a man who made his living targeting deep pocket companies and individuals to make their race problems “go away,” why would he not go after Trump?
Instead, Jackson praised Trump for helping the “community.”
Secondly, why would Donald Trump be pictured with Muhammad Ali and Rosa Parks after he received the Ellis Island Medal of Honor?
Answer: (bogus civil suit aside), Donald Trump is not racist. The racist meme has to do purely and simply with politics. And people like you and Mr. Suppressed, with his “systematic discrimination of black people,” swallow the bait.
I’m not having any further conversations about this, I’m done with you.
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OK let’s see if you can follow the big picture.
If Donald Trump were racist, why would Jesse Jackson, one of America’s top race hustlers, a man who made his living targeting deep pocket companies and individuals to make their race problems “go away,” why would he not go after Trump?
Instead, Jackson praised Trump for helping the “community.”
Secondly, why would Donald Trump be pictured with Muhammad Ali, and Rosa Parks after he received the Ellis Island Medal of Honor?
Answer? (Bogus civil suit aside), Donald Trump is not racist. The racist meme has to do purely and simply with politics. And people like you, swallow the bait.
I’m not having any further conversations about this, I’m done with you.
You made a statement that was easily contradicted by another poster. The fact is, Trump was accused of treating blacks differently in his business activities. That is a fact. Nothing more nothing less. The accusation doesn't make it true and I didn't suggested the accusation made it true. You could have simply acknowledged that you were incorrect about Trump "never being accused" of racism in the past and added that no court had ruled against him on that front. But you had to move the goal posts to try to claim you were right and the poster was wrong.
None of what you posted about Jackson and others refutes the fact that he was in fact accused of treating blacks differently.
And you still can't admit that you were wrong.
Then you make numerous assumptions about me "swallowing" stuff not in evidence.
Your response speaks for itself.
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Yeah, sure.
Other than a lawsuit accusing him of engaging in systematic discrimination against black people.
And the president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City quoting him as saying, “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. . . . I think that’s guy’s lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.” (He said the book quoting him was “probably true.”)
There are other examples.
Is he an egregious racist? Probably not. But to claim that there were never any accusations is patently false.
Those were different times; and I'm sorry, our inner-city may show some stereotypical traits in those ailing communities.
It was much less PC back then, I wouldn't compare it to now.
As one brings up stories like this, one has stories of those attesting that Trump is fair and doesn't have a racist bone just like a number of women have come up and spoken of Trump's fair treatment of women and that he is not misogynistic.
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You made a statement that was easily contradicted by another poster. The fact is, Trump was accused of treating blacks differently in his business activities. That is a fact. Nothing more nothing less. The accusation doesn't make it true and I didn't suggested the accusation made it true. You could have simply acknowledged that you were incorrect about Trump "never being accused" of racism in the past and added that no court had ruled against him on that front. But you had to move the goal posts to try to claim you were right and the poster was wrong.
None of what you posted about Jackson and others refutes the fact that he was in fact accused of treating blacks differently.
And you still can't admit that you were wrong.
Then you make numerous assumptions about me "swallowing" stuff not in evidence.
Your response speaks for itself.
Repeating:
Those were different times; and I'm sorry, our inner-city may show some stereotypical traits in those ailing communities.
It was much less PC back then, I wouldn't compare it to now.
As one brings up stories like this, one has stories of those attesting that Trump is fair and doesn't have a racist bone just like a number of women have come up and spoken of Trump's fair treatment of women and that he is not misogynistic.
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Those were different times; and I'm sorry, our inner-city may show some stereotypical traits in those ailing communities.
It was much less PC back then, I wouldn't compare it to now.
As one brings up stories like this, one has stories of those attesting that Trump is fair and doesn't have a racist bone just like a number of women have come up and spoken of Trump's fair treatment of women and that he is not misogynistic.
@TomSea
Different times? Was this the Civil War era or something?
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@TomSea
Different times? Was this the Civil War era or something?
@CatherineofAragon
Yes, it was. Glad you asked me.
What's next? Liberals using the race card on Richard Pryor?
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Trump Gets Nearly 26 Percent Of The Black Vote In New Poll
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/14/trump-gets-nearly-26-percent-of-the-black-vote-in-new-poll/
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By the way Mr. Suppressed, I defy you to find one large corporation in business long that hasn’t been sued for sexual or racial discrimination and nearly everything else under the sun today.
This wasn't "today" and it was Richard Nixon with the investigation that led to the lawsuit.
By the way, was his company found guilty in the example you stated?
He agreed to comply with the remedy they wanted As Fortune puts it (http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/):
For two years Trump would be required to supply weekly lists of vacancies to the Urban League’s Open Housing Center. When vacancies opened up in buildings where fewer than 10 percent of the tenants were black or Hispanic, the center would then have three days to submit applications from minority clients who wanted those apartments. If qualified, they were to get preference by agreeing to advertise vacancies in newspapers that served the black community. Trump was also required to advertise vacancies (http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive/pdf?res=9E06E5DD1739E73ABC4E52DFB6678388669EDE) in press outlets serving minority communities.
But all of this is irrelevant. What is relevant is that you made a statement and I provided clear counterexamples that disproved it.
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@CatherineofAragon
Yes, it was. Glad you asked me.
What's next? Liberals using the race card on Richard Pryor?
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@TomSea
"Yes it was?"
Damn, no wonder Trump has to dye his mullet daffodil yellow. He's over two hundred years old.