someone yelled "gun"
Now why would someone do that?
Now why would someone do that?
Only an idiot would go to a Trump rally with a sign like that. He was obviously looking to agitate, or maybe position himself for a lawsuit.
Only an idiot would go to a Trump rally with a sign like that. He was obviously looking to agitate, or maybe position himself for a lawsuit.
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Protest signs are one thing (yes, he has the right to so express himself), but why rush the stage? What does that accomplish and how could security not see that as a threat?
It's just irrational behavior, but the guy is a Clinton supporter, after all, so lack of a thought process is a given.
Protest signs are one thing (yes, he has the right to so express himself), but why rush the stage? What does that accomplish and how could security not see that as a threat?
It's just irrational behavior, but the guy is a Clinton supporter, after all, so lack of a thought process is a given.
"Multiple people just tackled me down, kicking me choking me and just beating me up," he said. "That’s when things even got crazier. I was on the ground and people were holding my arms, legs and I kept saying I can barely breathe. I was turning my neck just to get a little bit of air to keep from passing out."
~~~snip~~~
What's baffling to Crites is how anyone could have thought he had a gun. His sign was in the air for some time and he wasn't making any sudden movements, he said.
"It wasn’t like they noticed something suspicious and tackled me," Crites said. "That’s not the case."
Only an idiot would go to a Trump rally with a sign like that. He was obviously looking to agitate, or maybe position himself for a lawsuit.
He didn't rush the stage. He was near the front of the stage.
He held up a sign, and was beaten for it.
From the article:
He didn't rush the stage. He was near the front of the stage.
He held up a sign, and was beaten for it.
From the article:
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This is important and somewhat of what I heard, though the USA Today piece is written glowingly of this guy, apparently he's a known Democratic operative and maybe even mentioned in wikileaks emails multiple times.
I voted early for the first time in my life.
I did it for two reasons... I wanted to vote with my son who was voting for the first time and came home from college to do it, and I think that there may be incidents at voting places on Election Day so I don't want to be near them.
Only an idiot would go to a Trump rally with a sign like that. He was obviously looking to agitate, or maybe position himself for a lawsuit.I agree with you. I think people who go inside a rally for either candidate to do something like this are just punks looking for trouble. If you want to protest stand outside the rally with your little sign. I believe he was looking for attention and that's what he got.
I agree with you. I think people who go inside a rally for either candidate to do something like this are just punks looking for trouble. If you want to protest stand outside the rally with your little sign. I believe he was looking for attention and that's what he got.
@beandog
So it's too bad the mob inside didn't get a chance to finish him off then?
And provocatively dressed women are just asking to be raped, too (or Trump-groped, perhaps)?
I agree with you. I think people who go inside a rally for either candidate to do something like this are just punks looking for trouble. If you want to protest stand outside the rally with your little sign. I believe he was looking for attention and that's what he got.
Remember the Trump supporter screaming in Ted Cruz's face? As I recall, most Trump supporters thought it was awesome.
I voted early for the first time in my life.
I did it for two reasons... I wanted to vote with my son who was voting for the first time and came home from college to do it, and I think that there may be incidents at voting places on Election Day so I don't want to be near them.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/austyn-crites-donald-trump-reno-nevada-polls-rally-austin-protester-video-rushed-off-stage-secret-service-republican-democrat-dnc-hillary-clinton-plant-allegations/
#2: The guy is mentioned in wikileaks though not in regards of a relationship to the Clinton campaign. Still, very out of the ordinary.
http://www.activistpost.com/2016/11/no-one-tried-assassinate-donald-trump-austyn-crites-shows-wikileaks-7-times.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ActivistPost+%28Activist+Post%29
@Luis Gonzalez
I'd almost pay cash money to have one of those cretins come at me when I got to the local polling place to cast my vote.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/austyn-crites-donald-trump-reno-nevada-polls-rally-austin-protester-video-rushed-off-stage-secret-service-republican-democrat-dnc-hillary-clinton-plant-allegations/
#2: The guy is mentioned in wikileaks though not in regards of a relationship to the Clinton campaign. Still, very out of the ordinary.
http://www.activistpost.com/2016/11/no-one-tried-assassinate-donald-trump-austyn-crites-shows-wikileaks-7-times.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ActivistPost+%28Activist+Post%29
http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/austyn-crites-donald-trump-reno-nevada-polls-rally-austin-protester-video-rushed-off-stage-secret-service-republican-democrat-dnc-hillary-clinton-plant-allegations/
#2: The guy is mentioned in wikileaks though not in regards of a relationship to the Clinton campaign. Still, very out of the ordinary.
http://www.activistpost.com/2016/11/no-one-tried-assassinate-donald-trump-austyn-crites-shows-wikileaks-7-times.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ActivistPost+%28Activist+Post%29
Remember the Trump supporter screaming in Ted Cruz's face? As I recall, most Trump supporters thought it was awesome.
Ahh, so violence is excusable if the victim "asked for it"?Nobody said that.
I agree with you. I think people who go inside a rally for either candidate to do something like this are just punks looking for trouble. If you want to protest stand outside the rally with your little sign. I believe he was looking for attention and that's what he got.
Remember the Trump supporter screaming in Ted Cruz's face? As I recall, most Trump supporters thought it was awesome.
Nobody said that.
Now why would someone do that?
Jill Filipovic @JillFilipovic 7h7 hours ago
Carry a Clinton sign at a Trump rally, get beaten & choked. Carry a Trump sign at a Clinton rally, Obama defends you.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2016/11/04/watch-obama-defend-a-trump-supporters-rights-at-a-clinton-rally/
@beandogHis rights have nothing to do with it. You have the right to hunt a Bear. If the Bear eats you instead, my sympathy for you is very low. You have with the right to swim in alligator infested watesr but if the alligator eats you instead, my sympathy for you is very low.
Seriously? Those Trump yahoos were justified in beating him?
According to his rights, he was free to bring his sign into the rally without fear of being assaulted.
Even voting early on a Sunday, we couldn't get from our car to the polling place without a dozen people trying to shove pamphlets in our hands and blocking our way in order to convince us to vote for or against something or someone. So it's not like I fear that someone would come at me per se, but that someone is going to shove someone out of the way and crap will start.
His rights have nothing to do with it. You have the right to hunt a Bear. If the Bear eats you instead, my sympathy for you is very low. You have with the right to swim in alligator infested watesr but if the alligator eats you instead, my sympathy for you is very low.
You may have the right to protest inside a tRump rally but if you get the crap kicked out of you, my sympathy for you is very low. A rally is for supporters of a candidate. If you choose to go in with the express purpose of causing trouble, my sympathy for you is very low. :shrug:
I think all you people who are getting your panties in a bunch are just doing it because it's tRump and his supporters.
His rights have nothing to do with it. You have the right to hunt a Bear. If the Bear eats you instead, my sympathy for you is very low. You have with the right to swim in alligator infested watesr but if the alligator eats you instead, my sympathy for you is very low.
You may have the right to protest inside a tRump rally but if you get the crap kicked out of you, my sympathy for you is very low. A rally is for supporters of a candidate. If you choose to go in with the express purpose of causing trouble, my sympathy for you is very low. :shrug:
I think all you people who are getting your panties in a bunch are just doing it because it's tRump and his supporters.
His rights have nothing to do with it. You have the right to hunt a Bear. If the Bear eats you instead, my sympathy for you is very low. You have with the right to swim in alligator infested watesr but if the alligator eats you instead, my sympathy for you is very low.
You may have the right to protest inside a tRump rally but if you get the crap kicked out of you, my sympathy for you is very low. A rally is for supporters of a candidate. If you choose to go in with the express purpose of causing trouble, my sympathy for you is very low. :shrug:
I think all you people who are getting your panties in a bunch are just doing it because it's tRump and his supporters.
His rights have nothing to do with it. You have the right to hunt a Bear. If the Bear eats you instead, my sympathy for you is very low. You have with the right to swim in alligator infested watesr but if the alligator eats you instead, my sympathy for you is very low.
You may have the right to protest inside a tRump rally but if you get the crap kicked out of you, my sympathy for you is very low. A rally is for supporters of a candidate. If you choose to go in with the express purpose of causing trouble, my sympathy for you is very low. :shrug:
I think all you people who are getting your panties in a bunch are just doing it because it's tRump and his supporters.
You don't respond to opposing speech with violence. You don't even respond to a non-violent protestor with violence. The proper course of action would have been to isolate him and escort him out like what usually happens to so many protestors. Not tackle him and start kicking and punching him and grabbing his balls. (and only after they tackled him did someone else yell 'gun' (which there wasn't one).
Ahh, so violence is excusable if the victim "asked for it"?At least he wasn't in a short skirt with a low neckline...it could have been worse!!
That yelling "Gun" crap sounds like a particularly dangerous form of "swatting" that could have ended with people dead and or wounded.Yep.
That yelling "Gun" crap sounds like a particularly dangerous form of "swatting" that could have ended with people dead and or wounded.
Good point. I bet this is in the Trumpanzee handbook:
How to Handle a Dissenter/ Dem Plant at a Trump Rally
1. Take subject to the ground by means of force.
2. Cover him from view.
3. Yell: "Gun"
3a. Pop a few ballons for effect.
Good point. I bet this is in the Trumpanzee handbook:
How to Handle a Dissenter/ Dem Plant at a Trump Rally
1. Take subject to the ground by means of force.
2. Cover him from view.
3. Yell: "Gun"
3a. Pop a few ballons for effect.
And the secret service would get the blame.
Like Kent State, history unequivocally blames the national guard but there are plenty of legitimate questions about who gave the order to fire and who actually fired the first shot.
@beandog@CatherineofAragon
Seriously? Those Trump yahoos were justified in beating him? According to his rights, he was free to bring his sign into the rally without fear of being assaulted.
@CripplecreekI know the law varies from state to state, but most states don't legally allow even CCW permit holders to do so at a political rally unless they are wearing the badge.
Not much chance of THAT happening. The SS guys are VERY well trained and NOT prone to panic shooting. They will NOT shoot unless they see a shooter with a gun and have a clear shot at him or her.
More likely would be a retard in the crowd pulling a gun from from under his shirt and waving it around wildly looking for a shooter,and maybe spotting another retard doing the same thing and shoot them,"just in case". Which would most likely result in someone else pulling a gun to shoot the guy that shot the first guy with a gun,etc,etc,etc.
There are VERY good reasons the SS don't want armed people showing up at political rallies,and this pretty much has to be the number 1 reason.
@CatherineofAragon
"...he was free to bring his sign into the rally..."
Actually, he was not. I read this morning that when people are checked before going in a rally now, besides checking for weapons, no outside signs are allowed in. This makes sense. The campaign gives out their signs after the people go into the rally. This is to keep weird signs and anti-Trump signs from getting on TV. This guy could have held up his sign outside the rally, but not inside.
I have read numerous accounts of what the man did, and he had his sign hidden when he went into the rally. So, he was pulling his anti-Trump sign out from his shirt to hold it up. It was his action pulling out the sign that set people off and someone yelling, "Gun!" That set off the Secret Service to almost literally drag Trump out of there fast.
The look on the face of one SS man was like steel - his face said he was ready to take a bullet or kill anyone who was a threat to the life of Trump.
Bob spoke to me about the Secret Service this morning after this incident. You know Bob worked at the Pentagon in classified information coming into the CIA. He would go to the White House to deliver top secret info. for the President. He interacted with the Secret Service agents. He said their training is tough and they have to be willing to take a bullet to "save" the president, die if necessary, or they cannot be agents.
I don't know how they live like that, as their adrenaline has to be pouring into their body all the time, on guard for that bullet that may be coming from anyone in the surrounding area where the president is. We saw that yesterday, the agents were going to protect the life of the candidate if they had to die to do it.
@Jazzhead @INVAR @Cripplecreek @CatherineofAragon @skeeter @jmyrlefuller @Suppressed @Night Hides Not @Norm Lenhart @catfish1957 @Fantom @sinkspur @libertybele @LMAO @RAT Patrol @bigheadfred @bilo @musiclady @Chosen Daughter @Bigun @mystery-ak @mr potato head @Emjay @XenaLee @Sanguine @Once-Ler @txradioguy @kartographer @Smokin Joe @montanajoe @Gov Bean Counter @EC @AbaraXas @geronl @roamer_1 @Freya @Oceander @corbe @bigheadfred @Machiavelli @mystery-ak
Yes, but he was already holding it up before he got jumped, so it cannot be the case that someone really thought he was pulling a gun out when that person yelled. They yelled after the fact.
Excuse me but he had every right to be there with a protest sign.
He didn't rush the stage. He was rushed.
Some Trumproid shouted "gun" which was why the SS sprang into action.
@CatherineofAragon
I don't know how they live like that, as their adrenaline has to be pouring into their body all the time, on guard for that bullet that may be coming from anyone in the surrounding area where the president is. We saw that yesterday, the agents were going to protect the life of the candidate if they had to die to do it.
You're right. It was also pointed out to me that he didn't have permission to have the protest sign inside the event and that that is a fair regulation for a campaigns to require, just like any organized event people put on. The protestors must keep the protesting outside the event.Granted, all of that. It doesn't justify yelling "Gun!". That's a whole DEFCON level different. Though the agents are doubtless the best of the available best at what they do, the principal could get hurt in transit from the perceived threat, too. (Or the tactic could be used to herd the principal along a known escape route into a more dangerous threat.
True, but the outcome is not guaranteed. It appears this guy is a Leftist agitator. A guy has a right to wear a Klansman outfit to a black church, but the outcome is not guaranteed.
I agree with all of that. He was guilty of sneaking in a disallowed sign and not sticking to outside protesting. That's it. The crowd overreacted (like the thugs they've become) and set the rest into motion. The SS did what they are trained to do -- react fast just in case. As for Trump, an urgent reaction is normal. My gut says that he is a total yellow-belly because he is driven by self-centeredness and that's how it plays out. If he were on the Titanic, for example, you can bet he would have managed to get his tubby behind on that boat with the ladies and children. He would have negotiated away his own wife's seat to nab it, IMO. That's just how I see Trump. He will sellout the rest of us in order to achieve any kind of gain for himself. He's an abuse of power waiting to happen.The wealthy families of the day secured their progeny in the lifeboats (children), and their family reputations on deck. That is the way it was done in the days before "Don't you know who I am?"
I was a Protest Warrior counter protestor back in the day
Exactly. I do not think Trump is cut from that kind of cloth.
His rights have everything to deal with it. Respecting other people's rights, especially the rights of those we disagree with, is largely what separates us from the communists and the fascists, and the downright plain evil.
I don't want to side with the Brownshirts, do you?
@RAT Patrol
And Bubbette! is,and that's why you will refuse to vote for the only candidate she will be facing?
There ain't going to be any innocent bystanders on Wednesday morning. Everyone who voted will either vote for her or Trump,and the fools who take false pride in not having voted for either of them will be as responsible for her being in office as her most rabid supporter.
It's the equivalent of seeing an orphanage on fire,and then ignoring it. Yeah,it burns down and all the babies die,but it's not YOUR fault because YOU didn't set the fire,right?
There really are times in history when inaction equates to action,and this is one of them.
Poor analogy. People who hunt bears should realize the danger. People who make peaceful protests in political rallies might expect to be booed or even escorted out (which would be wrong) but not attacked .
@Wingnut
Uhhh,you seem to be a couple of quarts overfilled with paranoia.
You DO understand that once someone starts shooting in a crowd that ANYONE can get hit,right? Even/maybe even especially,the one doing the shouting.
@Emjay
Let's say you go to a LaRaza rally and have a sign showing you are opposed to illegal aliens living in America? Do you SERIOUSLY believe you won't be physically attacked?
@Victoria33@sneakypete
It's after everything settles down that the real adrenaline dump hits and you get what may seem like a massive "sugar rush" to some.
I do miss the Protest Warriors. Not every one got what they were doing, but I did, and enjoyed following them.
Remember Jenny?
(http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/protest_gallery/us/images/0065.jpg)
YEP, :beer:
She married Kfir Alfia who started Protest Warrior. They are locals here in Dallas.
Jenny now-- (http://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12510261_10207918219611484_985880213008656561_n.jpg?oh=949684f1af2530bcebb93736da4ce992&oe=5889CD06)
I agree with you. I think people who go inside a rally for either candidate to do something like this are just punks looking for trouble. If you want to protest stand outside the rally with your little sign. I believe he was looking for attention and that's what he got.
As for Trump, an urgent reaction is normal. My gut says that he is a total yellow-belly because he is driven by self-centeredness and that's how it plays out. If he were on the Titanic, for example, you can bet he would have managed to get his tubby behind on that boat with the ladies and children. He would have negotiated away his own wife's seat to nab it, IMO. That's just how I see Trump. He will sellout the rest of us in order to achieve any kind of gain for himself. He's an abuse of power waiting to happen.@RAT Patrol
Remember Jenny?
(http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/protest_gallery/us/images/0065.jpg)
@sneakypeteIn a host of situations, from getting to cover after an air plane blew up overhead, to a climbing accident, as a firefighter, an EMT, some dicey moments as a bartender/bouncer, while driving and in a couple of accidents, and a few other occasions, the crystal clear thinking, the slow motion aspect, the feeling that you are moving through water all come during the situation, not after. If there is some leftover 'boost' you feel froggy, sewing machine leg, restless, etc., and there is the 'adrenaline hangover' from the most extreme situations, but the adrenaline rush definitely happens when the stuff goes down. Afterwards would be a waste, anyway.
I don't agree with you. Adrenaline pours in at the moment of danger for quick action required. When that ends, the body has a let down as the adrenaline stops flowing. Example:
I can compare it to working as an EMT, which I was. I responded to medical emergencies on an ambulance until I received my certification, and then in my gated community, responding emergencies before an ambulance got there. Adrenalin poured into me and my body was stronger than normal, I could lift and move physical items or bodies that were heavier than I could normally lift/move.
My mind worked at max speed, evaluating the situation/bodies quickly and knowing what to do almost instantly. Most of the time, in my community emergency response, I had an MCA (Medical Care Assistant) with me to help, to follow my directions. Looking at me work, one would think I was calm as I wasn't jerky or frantic, but I was centered on the problems mentally and automatically doing what was required to save lives. There is a mental list of priorities for an EMT to follow and those are drilled into us and are automatically checked off as we work.
Once that was over, I and the MCA were pretty much whipped, out of adrenaline rush, and the MCA and I would go somewhere to recover and calmly go over what happened and discuss if we could have done something differently than we did. Every emergency was a learning lesson as no two emergencies are exactly alike.
Your saying adrenalin hits after the emergency, is just wrong.
@RAT Patrol
I so agree with you - RAT Patrol, did you know I really like you? 034 Emotions are high on TBR when we post and I think we neglect to tell others we like and appreciate them. There are plenty of attacks here, but where are the good feelings toward others?
Now, just as you say, Trump on the Titanic would do whatever necessary to get on a boat. No one would matter except him and that is how he lives his life - "Me, I am me and no one else is me and I don't care what happens to anyone but me." I truly, honestly, detest this fake salesman as he may end up president. Only caring about himself, he will destroy our relationship with our allies, reports from our allies show they are wary of their future if he is president. The world revolves around this country, so the future of the world depends on what Trump would do as president. He is truly the emperor without clothes and his supporters cannot see he is naked with no redeeming values/qualities.
I also like/appreciate these people (and I'm sure I have likely left off others):
@Jazzhead @INVAR @Cripplecreek @CatherineofAragon @skeeter @jmyrlefuller @Suppressed @Night Hides Not @Norm Lenhart @catfish1957 @Fantom @sinkspur @libertybele @LMAO @RAT Patrol @bigheadfred @bilo @musiclady @Chosen Daughter @Bigun @mystery-ak @mr potato head @Emjay @XenaLee @Sanguine @Once-Ler @txradioguy @kartographer @Smokin Joe @montanajoe @Gov Bean Counter @EC @AbaraXas @geronl @roamer_1 @Freya @Oceander @corbe @bigheadfred
@Machiavelli @mystery-ak
@RAT Patrol
I so agree with you - RAT Patrol, did you know I really like you? 034 Emotions are high on TBR when we post and I think we neglect to tell others we like and appreciate them. There are plenty of attacks here, but where are the good feelings toward others?
Now, just as you say, Trump on the Titanic would do whatever necessary to get on a boat. No one would matter except him and that is how he lives his life - "Me, I am me and no one else is me and I don't care what happens to anyone but me." I truly, honestly, detest this fake salesman as he may end up president. Only caring about himself, he will destroy our relationship with our allies, reports from our allies show they are wary of their future if he is president. The world revolves around this country, so the future of the world depends on what Trump would do as president. He is truly the emperor without clothes and his supporters cannot see he is naked with no redeeming values/qualities.
I also like/appreciate these people (and I'm sure I have likely left off others):
@Jazzhead @INVAR @Cripplecreek @CatherineofAragon @skeeter @jmyrlefuller @Suppressed @Night Hides Not @Norm Lenhart @catfish1957 @Fantom @sinkspur @libertybele @LMAO @RAT Patrol @bigheadfred @bilo @musiclady @Chosen Daughter @Bigun @mystery-ak @mr potato head @Emjay @XenaLee @Sanguine @Once-Ler @txradioguy @kartographer @Smokin Joe @montanajoe @Gov Bean Counter @EC @AbaraXas @geronl @roamer_1 @Freya @Oceander @corbe @bigheadfred
@Machiavelli @mystery-ak
Happy to be included on such a distinguished list of posters and VERY happy to have remained your fried for all these years!
Excuse me but he had every right to be there with a protest sign.Just because you have the right doesn't mean it's a good idea.
Do you seriously equate a Trump rally with a LaRaza rally?
You might be right.
@sneakypete
Your saying adrenalin hits after the emergency, is just wrong.
@Jazzhead @INVAR @Cripplecreek @CatherineofAragon @skeeter @jmyrlefuller @Suppressed @Night Hides Not @Norm Lenhart @catfish1957 @Fantom @sinkspur @libertybele @LMAO @RAT Patrol @bigheadfred @bilo @musiclady @Chosen Daughter @Bigun @mystery-ak @mr potato head @Emjay @XenaLee @Sanguine @Once-Ler @txradioguy @kartographer @Smokin Joe @montanajoe @Gov Bean Counter @EC @AbaraXas @geronl @roamer_1 @Freya @Oceander @corbe @bigheadfred
@Machiavelli @mystery-ak
I also like/appreciate these people (and I'm sure I have likely left off others):
In a host of situations, from getting to cover after an air plane blew up overhead, to a climbing accident, as a firefighter, an EMT, some dicey moments as a bartender/bouncer, while driving and in a couple of accidents, and a few other occasions, the crystal clear thinking, the slow motion aspect, the feeling that you are moving through water all come during the situation, not after. If there is some leftover 'boost' you feel froggy, sewing machine leg, restless, etc., and there is the 'adrenaline hangover' from the most extreme situations, but the adrenaline rush definitely happens when the stuff goes down. Afterwards would be a waste, anyway.
What I said was you FEEL the adrenaline RUSH once the immediate crisis ends.
Not me. After the fact is for barfin' and shakin' like a dog sh*tting peach pits. It's kinda my thing and I have perfected it over many years. I never considered that the RUSH... more the coming down.
@Victoria33I reckon everyone is different. I feel it all the way through: My surroundings moving in slow motion, feeling like I am moving through water, with the ability to think about how best to grab something moving through the air (or not) before it gets to me or which way to get out of the way or best absorb or deflect the impact, hard to describe, but thinking is crystal clear, fast, analytical, and even, on occasion, humorous.
What I said was you FEEL the adrenaline RUSH once the immediate crisis ends.
That's a shame,but none of us really has any control over how these things affect us. We just have to learn to deal with it.
I think many combat vets have so much trouble after they get out of the military because they get bored and miss that rush,which leads them to create situations to replace it so they can "feel alive again".
But....,we are all individuals,not machines.
@sneakypete
:shrug: meh... Just how I roll. 10/15 mins and I start perking up. And it don't have to be that way, if I can walk off the shakes...
Yeah - I was an adrenaline junkie... Not like battle, no doubt, but I was a wild child in my youth...
Then came work and mortgages, and minivans...
Took up rock-climbing in my late 30's - Man, what a rush! Didn't know what I'd been missing. Stress got rid of stress. Go figger.
@Victoria33
What I said was you FEEL the adrenaline RUSH once the immediate crisis ends.
I think it's because physical stress - heavy physical exertion, really - is a 'clean' stress and leaves you feeling "emptied out" in a good way, as if all of the junk inside has been flushed or burned out. BWM&K (before work, marriage and kids) I used to cycle on a regular basis - at least 100 miles a week - and after a full day of cycling I'd get that wonderful washed out feeling that only comes from totally using yourself up. Now that my kid's getting older, maybe I can find some time to do that again, at least once a week.
I think that's true enough; when you're in the rush, you don't feel it - that's probably part of what adrenaline does - but once the need for the adrenaline is gone and it starts to unwind, then you feel it. And people do react differently. For myself - just myself, nobody else - sometimes I feel that "rush" sensation, like I'm on top of the world, before it fades, other times, I feel shaky and sometimes get a little nauseous. I haven't really ever tried to figure out the whys.
@CatherineofAragon
"...he was free to bring his sign into the rally..."
Actually, he was not. I read this morning that when people are checked before going in a rally now, besides checking for weapons, no outside signs are allowed in. This makes sense. The campaign gives out their signs after the people go into the rally. This is to keep weird signs and anti-Trump signs from getting on TV. This guy could have held up his sign outside the rally, but not inside.
I have read numerous accounts of what the man did, and he had his sign hidden when he went into the rally. So, he was pulling his anti-Trump sign out from his shirt to hold it up. It was his action pulling out the sign that set people off and someone yelling, "Gun!" That set off the Secret Service to almost literally drag Trump out of there fast.
The look on the face of one SS man was like steel - his face said he was ready to take a bullet or kill anyone who was a threat to the life of Trump.
Bob spoke to me about the Secret Service this morning after this incident. You know Bob worked at the Pentagon in classified information coming into the CIA. He would go to the White House to deliver top secret info. for the President. He interacted with the Secret Service agents. He said their training is tough and they have to be willing to take a bullet to "save" the president, die if necessary, or they cannot be agents.
I don't know how they live like that, as their adrenaline has to be pouring into their body all the time, on guard for that bullet that may be coming from anyone in the surrounding area where the president is. We saw that yesterday, the agents were going to protect the life of the candidate if they had to die to do it.
@Jazzhead @INVAR @Cripplecreek @CatherineofAragon @skeeter @jmyrlefuller @Suppressed @Night Hides Not @Norm Lenhart @catfish1957 @Fantom @sinkspur @libertybele @LMAO @RAT Patrol @bigheadfred @bilo @musiclady @Chosen Daughter @Bigun @mystery-ak @mr potato head @Emjay @XenaLee @Sanguine @Once-Ler @txradioguy @kartographer @Smokin Joe @montanajoe @Gov Bean Counter @EC @AbaraXas @geronl @roamer_1 @Freya @Oceander @corbe @bigheadfred @Machiavelli @mystery-ak
@RAT Patrol
I so agree with you - RAT Patrol, did you know I really like you? 034 Emotions are high on TBR when we post and I think we neglect to tell others we like and appreciate them. There are plenty of attacks here, but where are the good feelings toward others?
Now, just as you say, Trump on the Titanic would do whatever necessary to get on a boat. No one would matter except him and that is how he lives his life - "Me, I am me and no one else is me and I don't care what happens to anyone but me." I truly, honestly, detest this fake salesman as he may end up president. Only caring about himself, he will destroy our relationship with our allies, reports from our allies show they are wary of their future if he is president. The world revolves around this country, so the future of the world depends on what Trump would do as president. He is truly the emperor without clothes and his supporters cannot see he is naked with no redeeming values/qualities.
I also like/appreciate these people (and I'm sure I have likely left off others):
@Jazzhead @INVAR @Cripplecreek @CatherineofAragon @skeeter @jmyrlefuller @Suppressed @Night Hides Not @Norm Lenhart @catfish1957 @Fantom @sinkspur @libertybele @LMAO @RAT Patrol @bigheadfred @bilo @musiclady @Chosen Daughter @Bigun @mystery-ak @mr potato head @Emjay @XenaLee @Sanguine @Once-Ler @txradioguy @kartographer @Smokin Joe @montanajoe @Gov Bean Counter @EC @AbaraXas @geronl @roamer_1 @Freya @Oceander @corbe @bigheadfred
@Machiavelli @mystery-ak
@CatherineofAragon
"...he was free to bring his sign into the rally..."
Actually, he was not. I read this morning that when people are checked before going in a rally now, besides checking for weapons, no outside signs are allowed in. This makes sense. The campaign gives out their signs after the people go into the rally. This is to keep weird signs and anti-Trump signs from getting on TV. This guy could have held up his sign outside the rally, but not inside.
I have read numerous accounts of what the man did, and he had his sign hidden when he went into the rally. So, he was pulling his anti-Trump sign out from his shirt to hold it up. It was his action pulling out the sign that set people off and someone yelling, "Gun!" That set off the Secret Service to almost literally drag Trump out of there fast.
The look on the face of one SS man was like steel - his face said he was ready to take a bullet or kill anyone who was a threat to the life of Trump.
Bob spoke to me about the Secret Service this morning after this incident. You know Bob worked at the Pentagon in classified information coming into the CIA. He would go to the White House to deliver top secret info. for the President. He interacted with the Secret Service agents. He said their training is tough and they have to be willing to take a bullet to "save" the president, die if necessary, or they cannot be agents.
I don't know how they live like that, as their adrenaline has to be pouring into their body all the time, on guard for that bullet that may be coming from anyone in the surrounding area where the president is. We saw that yesterday, the agents were going to protect the life of the candidate if they had to die to do it.
@Jazzhead @INVAR @Cripplecreek @CatherineofAragon @skeeter @jmyrlefuller @Suppressed @Night Hides Not @Norm Lenhart @catfish1957 @Fantom @sinkspur @libertybele @LMAO @RAT Patrol @bigheadfred @bilo @musiclady @Chosen Daughter @Bigun @mystery-ak @mr potato head @Emjay @XenaLee @Sanguine @Once-Ler @txradioguy @kartographer @Smokin Joe @montanajoe @Gov Bean Counter @EC @AbaraXas @geronl @roamer_1 @Freya @Oceander @corbe @bigheadfred @Machiavelli @mystery-ak
That's not how the incident went down. It wouldn't make any sense
The man was holding up the sign already when people noticed what was on it what reason would anyone to tell "gun" because some random person in the audience was reaching into his shirt?
He held up the sign, people saw it and the scuffle began.
We've seen video of anti-Trump protesters at a Trump rally get sucker punched by Trump supporters, why is it so difficult to understand what happened here?
Not me. After the fact is for barfin' and shakin' like a dog sh*tting peach pits. It's kinda my thing and I have perfected it over many years. I never considered that the RUSH... more the coming down.
I think it's because physical stress - heavy physical exertion, really - is a 'clean' stress and leaves you feeling "emptied out" in a good way, as if all of the junk inside has been flushed or burned out. BWM&K (before work, marriage and kids) I used to cycle on a regular basis - at least 100 miles a week - and after a full day of cycling I'd get that wonderful washed out feeling that only comes from totally using yourself up. Now that my kid's getting older, maybe I can find some time to do that again, at least once a week.@Oceander
I never said he didn't have the right to be there - just that he was an idiot for doing so. I have every right to stand outside the nearest biker bar and shout "Harleys are for bleep!", but I'd have to be insane or a complete moron to do so.
@RAT PatrolLOL! No, but you would need a much faster bike...
@ConstitutionRose
I never said he didn't have the right to be there - just that he was an idiot for doing so. I have every right to stand outside the nearest biker bar and shout "Harleys are for pansies!", but I'd have to be insane or a complete moron to do so.
LOL! No, but you would need a much faster bike...
Thats not exactly a tough hurdle to overcome... ;)True enough, and I'm a Hog rider from way back.
True enough, and I'm a Hog rider from way back.
I never got the Harley thing. I accept they are great at what they are, I just always preferred rice rockets. And for the price of a Harley you could have a race prepped Yamaha.
But it takes all kinds. To each their own!
Man, you are sooo unAmerican. :laugh:
True enough, and I'm a Hog rider from way back.
Hogs are for bacon and ham, not riding.
DO NOT DO THIS!!!
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@Emjay
Pardon me. I just thought you were hysterical. I didn't realize you are stupid.
In it's defense, the pig is faster, more comfortable, lighter and doesn't leak oil.Hey! Get a better saddle and forward controls, my ride is pretty basic (lighter that way, and a hardtail), it does mark it's spot, and it doesn't leave behind the smell of pig sh*t, which is particularly offensive. It's quick off the line, but it isn't built for top end. WTH, it's an '82.
(Runs from thrown bottles)
Hey! Get a better saddle and forward controls, my ride is pretty basic (lighter that way, and a hardtail), it does mark it's spot, and it doesn't leave behind the smell of pig sh*t, which is particularly offensive. It's quick off the line, but it isn't built for top end. WTH, it's an '82.
When that pig turns 35, what will it be worth? Nothing if you don't skin it and make footballs and have just the right people sign them. :tongue2:
The pig handles better too ;)In deep mud, maybe!
In deep mud, maybe!
Is that your idea of a clever insult? I'm not the one who was stupid enough to compare a trump rally with a LaRaza rally and get called on it.
Hey! Get a better saddle and forward controls, my ride is pretty basic (lighter that way, and a hardtail), it does mark it's spot, and it doesn't leave behind the smell of pig sh*t, which is particularly offensive. It's quick off the line, but it isn't built for top end. WTH, it's an '82.
@Emjay
You are clearly stupid enough to think I did.
Why are you resorting to personal insults? I have not done that to you I have corrected you when your posts were clearly wrong.
You are the one who said that putting an anti-Trump sign up at a Trump rally was like putting a no illegal aliens sign up at a La Raza rally.
You clearly equated a Trump rally to a La Raza rally. I pointed out that was a pretty good comparison the way some trumpettes behave and you took it personally.
Grow up, baby.
Trump was attacked during a rally in Reno, NV yesterday.
The name of the attacker, Austyn Crites was released pretty quickly.
Crites very possibly harassed Trump at a prior rally.
His Facebook page was recently set up.
Crites carried a sign denigrating Trump.
Crites incited violence and emotional abuse.
Crites is mentioned in Wikileaks
Crites is a Hillary supporter.
Via MicroTurkeyLeaks.
@Smokin JoeI'd have to change some things on the shovelhead to get more top end. Best I have been able to get is about 120, on the road. Considering there are bikes out there getting clocked at 200, that just isn't that fast.
My 40 Knuckle was pretty quick off the line and top end.
I'd have to change some things on the shovelhead to get more top end. Best I have been able to get is about 120, on the road. Considering there are bikes out there getting clocked at 200, that just isn't that fast.@Smokin Joe
@Smokin JoeDefinitely not a bagger, although I had thought seriously about getting one and had a deal in the works when the oil company I was working for laid down one rig too many.
Well,there is "Road Bike Fast",and there is "Race Bike Fast". Anybody that tells you that you have have both in the same bike is either lying or doesn't understand what they are talking about. Any motorcycle that will hit 200 MPH is NOT a road bike. It is a bike that can be ridden on the road occasionally in certain circumstances.
It is possible to have a road bike that will hit speeds of 130-140 MPH or so and still be "tame enough" you can ride it back and forth to work in city traffic,or get out and ride and enjoy riding it from San Diego to Miami. That's the one I want. What good is a road bike you can't hit the road with?
BTW,there ain't no such thing as a fast dresser. Garbage trucks are always slow.
Definitely not a bagger, although I had thought seriously about getting one and had a deal in the works when the oil company I was working for laid down one rig too many.
I'm getting to the point where I like things built more for comfort, and not so much for speed.
I'm getting to the point where I like things built more for comfort, and not so much for speed.
The SS doesn’t release someone who has attempted an assignation or may pose a future risk.
Brother With Misspelled Name Also Voting From His AddressOMGWT#BBQ!!1
@Smokin JoeI was camping in Spearfish City Park during the Sturgis 50th back in 1990, in a thirty dollar tent that rode down across the handlebars of my Superglide, when a massive land yacht came in pulling a huge trailer with seven bikes on it. I thought "I wonder where these people came from?" and out of curiosity wandered a little closer to catch a glimpse of the license plates....
I have always been of the opinion that above all,you HAVE to be able to ride and enjoy them on a daily basis if you are able.
Never understood the philosophy behind owning garage queens. All you can do is look at them and polish them. I guess it's ok if that is what you enjoy,but I just don't get it. I've ridden nothing but Harley's since selling by Triumph Bonneville with TT cams and pistons in 1969,but sadly it seems to me that most Harley riders these days put most of the miles on their bikes while the bikes are on trailers being pulled by their 60 grand SUV's. The Harley's are more of a item of designer clothing to be used to draw attention to the owner as they ride at a stately 15 mph down a city street or in a park than an actual motorcycle to be ridden on the road. I even had one of these dweebs try to talk down to me last week,and he doesn't even own one. He's big into those "Veteran Ride Events" even though he's not a veteran,and he told me he just rents a dresser to ride. He does own the leather Harley Vest he wears with all the ride pins on it,though. He told me he hauls the bike to the events on a trailer because "I like to be comfortable".
THIS is what passes for a biker these days.
This just smells like a fascist move to me. Those who are students of history will recall the Reichstag fire - a patsy set up in order to enrage the populace. Three days before the election, a false cry of "Gun!" causes the Secret Service to hustle Trump out of the arena, and Trump's kid crows the next day that Trump faced an "assassination attempt".Likely to be used as 'justification' for any gun control provided he wins, even though no gun was involved. Hey, they did it with the Oklahoma City Bombing.
Convince me otherwise that this wasn't a move planned to energize Trump's supporters. If that's not a fascist move, then it's at least a WWF move - minutes after Trump was taken offstage he returned to crow that "no one said it's going to be easy". Perhaps one of Roger Stone's tricks?
@Neverdul
Release them? Hell, they are protecting 3 of the biggest ones in the country right now. Children of the world beware!
I was camping in Spearfish City Park during the Sturgis 50th back in 1990, in a thirty dollar tent that rode down across the handlebars of my Superglide, when a massive land yacht came in pulling a huge trailer with seven bikes on it. I thought "I wonder where these people came from?" and out of curiosity wandered a little closer to catch a glimpse of the license plates....
South Dakota
> spit! < "Stay home and polish it!"
Mine is an 80 inch shovel in an old Drag Specialties frame, 6 over tubes in front, low to the ground, with PMI brakes and a rubberband primary (primo 3 inch belt, no guard). I had enough of springers on 45's, just didn't like 'em, to each their own. I like a girder better, but the geometry change going around a hard turn takes some getting used to. The only disadvantage to not running a guard on the belt is that it tends to fill my left boot with water if it's raining (forward pegs/controls).
I have ridden when I scraped the frost off the saddle, in all day downpours, in hail, in water deep enough the exhaust burbled like an inboard boat, been down going forwards and backwards, and rode 50 miles holding a fat bob with a broken bracket with my knee and a bungee cord, among other minor adventures. While I haven't ridden near as much in the last few years, that kick start only 80 inch with the mag and battery eliminator is rougher on my knee than it used to be. One of these days I'm going to get a ride with the magic button you push to start the bike.
For a while, there was no way to ride it around here with 2 out of 3 vehicles on the road semis and the bike so low the front pipe drags on a right turn. If you can't maneuver hard in that environment, someone is going to be washing you out from in between the drivers.
But my leathers are put up for the day when I get that bike back up (now that the traffic is down). I have a few more 'In memory of ...' patches to sew on, if I can find room, and I'm not parading around like I'm Willie G. My AMA number is old enough they gave me a life membership, 27 years in the MRF, and I'm an ABATE lifer, too, and past District Rep.
It's kinda funny how we used to look at the scruffy poor kid wannabes who would wear Harley t-shirts and chip in for a rice burner they'd share and call themselves "bikers" even if the community motorcycle didn't run. At least they had heart, some of them. Some of those kids actually made the grade, got a decent job and bought a bike. Some we even helped along the way.
Some of us recall when you could buy a basket case 45 for a couple of hundred bucks and have a bike in a year of work and horsetrading for parts, but those days are long gone if you aren't phenomenally lucky and old school to boot.
But there is, as you said, a different breed out there, drugstore cowboys on rented rides with all the 'right' pins and patches and designer leathers who are more about appearances and impressing each other at the party than the ride, and who don't so much have the heart and soul of a biker, only the trimmings.
I paid $200 bucks for my first Harley. A 52 panhead that I bought when I got back from VN and rode 40 miles to get back to where I was living. The previous owner had welded 50 cal ammo cans to the rear to use as saddlebags. You probably won't be surprised to learn he was a farmer.Nah, not even close to wannabe. We're 'been there done that' types.
The 40 knuckle I bought in boxes,minus minor parts like the frame and front end for 150 bucks in 70. I bought it from another farmer that had sold the frame and front end to the guy who told me about the other parts. I found out years later that the bike had been bought new by one of my uncle's in 1940,and I now have a photo of my mother sitting on it when she was 17,wearing a "Marlon Brando" bikers hat with the white plastic tab over the top you could swing down under your chin to keep the wind from blowing the hat off. Since I was adopted and never met anyone from my birth family until the early 90's,that picture gave me a unexpected connection to the mother who died before I ever got a chance to know her. My uncle is dead now,also. He was the only one from my birth family that would even visit me or invite me to visit him,and they didn't even tell me he had died so I could go to the funeral.
I sold it to my best friend who I had build a show-winning pan for in 1976 to get the money to go to school,and the SOB not only never paid me,he kept the bike and moved to unknown parts with it. I came back home in 1978 looking for it and him,and even went to his mother's house in another state to look for it. She recognized me when I pulled into the driveway and told me "I know you are here looking for your motorcycle. Doug isn't here and neither is the motorcycle,but you are free to look through the entire house if you want if that is what it will take to satisfy you. I have no idea where he is,but if he ever calls or writes I will tell him you were here looking for it and that you want it back."
I told her to tell him that the next time I saw him he would either be giving it back to me or I would shoot him in both kneecaps and walk away. She said she would. I have yet to hear from him,and since he was at least 15 years older than me,chances are he has been dead for years.
I eventually ended up with another homebuilt bike I rode year around in Denver for a while. Mostly because I was still going to school and couldn't afford to buy a car. It had a lowered 1958 swing arm frame (no serial number),half-inch rake,and IIRC,6 over Sportster tubes with buckhorn bars. Shovel engine with 1-3/4 S&S drag carb,Sifton 468s cam,and a extra clutch plate in the pack,running drag pipes. It even had electric start,although I was drinking so much at the time I cut about 6 inches out of the hot wire going to the starter one night,figuring that if I was sober enough to kick start it in the thin Denver air in winter without flooding it I was sober enough to ride it. This was right after running into the wall of the liquor store one night in a snowstorm while trying to get there before they closed because I was running out of whiskey. The thing about that was it was easy to flood the engine with that carb and cam in that thin air,and no matter how freaking cold it was,you would be down to your drawers and boots before you ever kicked it over enough to clean it out so it would start. By that time I would be sober,puking, and ready to go back in the house and go to bed. Don't ask me how I know this.
My current bike is a 76 FLH custom Fat Bob. No windshield or fairing,buckhorn bars,and painted ice blue over pearl with gold stripes. I have the small fiberglass bags on it,and used to ride it 100 miles a day back and forth to work. it was kinda a dog when I first got it with the Jap carb,but I put a 1-3/4 inch SS drag carb on it with a Sifton 468 cam,and that really woke that baby UP! Before the carb and cam change I would go to pass a bus that had been stopped,and the damn thing would just lean out and die before it ever got wound up. After the cam and carb change it would pull that big dresser front end off the ground when I hit second gear!
Owned it since 1980,but haven't ridden it since 1985 or so. Back got so bad that the last two times I left home on it both me and the bike had to come back home on a rollback because I couldn't raise my leg up high enough to get on it. Had it for sale right after that for $3500 and it still had tags on it and you could have ridden it home,but the most anybody wanted to offer me was $1200 bucks,so I ran them off and quit trying to sell it. It's paid for,it doesn't eat anything,and I don't need the money so it can sit right there as far as I am concerned.
I guess that makes me a wannabe now.
:threadjack:Yes!
Six over tubes, lowering blocks in back, and a harley rim I laced onto the stock hub. It sits nice and is comfortable, and well balanced, despite being a rice ride.
My first "chopper" was a 450 Honda on Okinawa in 1966. Rigid frame,305 gas tanks,sissy bar,drag bars,deep,deep black,with lots of chrome. Right up to that time I had been into stock street bikes and race bikes. Started out with a 250 or 305 Honda Dream on Okie,but it didn't take me long to figure out it sucked as a motocross bike,so I sold it and bought a 305 "Scrambler" Honda. Then the Triumph dealer started importing Bultaco's,and that was the end of winning scramble races with a Jap bike. They weighed less than half,had probably twice the suspension travel,wound out quicker,and had 5 or 6 speed transmissions.I never did dirt, at least intentionally. I got run off the road a couple of times, and managed to stay up...and not get strung up in a barbed wire fence. I might have been good at it, 'cause I seem to be able to read banks, dirt, and the line through some place even on inappropriate equipment. I farted around on four wheels for a few years, but nothing official, and only a miracle I never got caught.
So I bought a Ducati and went flat track racing. TALK ABOUT ADRENALINE! YIKES! Going into a 2 wheel drift at 40-50 mph while going around a 180 turn and then pulling a wheelie to get your front wheel straight so you can blast down the straightaway is a rush you just can't believe unless you have done it yourself. That is also how I got my brain concussion and several months of amnesia. There is a price to be paid for everything. Before I crashed it,there was nothing on Okie that could stay in the same lap as me after a few laps. That damn Ducatic would PULL! After crashing it I bought a Triumph Bonneville 650 cc with TT cams and pistons. It would freaking FLY,but there was no where on Okinawa to run it unless I wanted to go out to the airport at Yamitan and pass small planes taking off from the runway there. Kinda pissed off a few people,but they couldn't catch me,so screw them.
Smallest ride was a Harley M-50 (actually Italian made). Imagine 6', 240 lbs riding one of those (it was for a parade) making all of 30 with a brisk tailwind trying to catch up with the rest of the bikes on the way to the staging area...Monkeys and footballs come to mind....
@Smokin JoeWhat an image!
Used to be a guy I would see riding around in Denver in warm weather back in the 70's. Had him a chrome-plated Nazi helmet,chrome plated primary chain belt,cut-off levi jacket with patches all over it,leather gloves with no fingers,the whole "outlaw" costume.
And he was riding a Harley 350 Sprint with a stoopid long front end and a sissy bar just about as long. I couldn't help but smile every time I would see him,and he would wave back.
The funniest part is he was at least in his mid-20's and was probably 6'6" and 300 lbs. My best guess is he had some emotional/mental problems. Big as he was,I never saw anybody trying to mess with him.
What an image!
When you're that size you can get away with a lot, and no one will mess with you. :silly:
@Smokin JoeNow that fills out the image. I remember kids doing that with bicycles, too, with long forks and apehangers. I never liked apes, myself. My hands went numb after a little while, and they didn't make handling any easier. With 6 months of riding weather in the average year, I want all the maneuverability I can muster to avoid cages and other idiots. By the time you get people to look, they are back to winter mode (and now they have those sucking phones and dash displays to fiddle with!).
It was even worse than that. I just remembered the giant ape hanger bars that had him holding his hand up about level with the top of his head.