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General Category => Health/Education => Topic started by: Wingnut on May 07, 2021, 02:28:53 pm
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This is why people are convinced the "Experts" are FOS! Two articles back to back!
Coronavirus infections in the U.S. are now at their lowest levels in seven months, thanks to the vaccines.
The big picture: The vaccines are turning the tide in America's battle with the coronavirus. Deaths and serious illnesses have dropped significantly, and now cases are falling too — an important piece of protection for the future, if we can keep it up.
By the numbers: The U.S. averaged about 48,000 new cases per day over the past week.
That’s a 13% improvement over the week before, and it’s the first time since October that average daily cases have dipped below 50,000.
20 states saw fewer new cases over the past week than they did the week before, while outbreaks got bigger in 10 states.
New Jersey saw the biggest improvement over the past week, with a 40% drop in new cases, followed by Connecticut, at 30%.
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-cases-infections-vaccines-variants-cc1d83ed-6523-43d9-9032-91b2ba08cb37.html
But not so fast....
CDC expects new COVID surge starting this month
Coronavirus cases across the U.S. are likely to peak this month before dropping by July, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Wednesday.
The state of play: America's rate of daily new COVID cases has declined in recent weeks, per data from Johns Hopkins University. Health officials are urging people to remain vigilant as variants spread, some of which are more contagious and deadly than the original strain of the virus.
What they're saying: CDC projections in four different scenarios of vaccination rates and state reopenings show that the outbreak generally remains the same in each forecast.
While cases are expected to spike in May, hospitalizations and deaths will likely remain low nationwide, the agency said. Across all four scenarios, the country's case count is likely to fall in July.
High vaccination rates and adherence to safety protocols "are essential to control COVID-19 and prevent surges in hospitalizations and deaths in the coming months," U.S. health officials wrote in Wednesday's report.
https://www.axios.com/covid-variants-cdc-surge-may-july-25e75c6e-f273-4e3c-98d9-39f404a56fa0.html
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From the second article:
What they're saying: CDC projections in four different scenarios of vaccination rates and state reopenings show that the outbreak generally remains the same in each forecast.
IOW, the beatings will continue whether you get "the shot" or not. This will get people signing up, yes.
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Covid-19 computer modeling predictions have been so wonderfully accurate ... in some perpendicular alternate universe.
Coronavirus cases across the U.S. are likely to peak this month before dropping by July, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Wednesday.
So, when the people of the US obstinately refuse to fulfill this prediction, can we also fire these Panic-Porn mongering hacks?!
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Gee, I'm kinda getting the impression the CDC is dishonest, incompetent and/or deceitful. :pondering:
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Gee, I'm kinda getting the impression the CDC is dishonest, incompetent and/or deceitful. :pondering:
Or?
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When it comes to Covid-19/SARS-2, there are no experts. It's too new.
Anyone who is an alleged "expert" is a bloviating fraud.
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Gee, I'm kinda getting the impression the CDC is dishonest, incompetent and/or deceitful. :pondering:
It would be much easier to name the federal departments that are not dishonest, incompetent and deceitful.
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Sarcasm aside, it makes sense to disbelieve anything coming from the feds anymore.
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The curious can find how things are progressing in the US here, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ . Basically, the last week of March and first two weeks of April were a very moderate bump in new cases. Daily new cases have been falling since April 13th.
What's interesting to me is that the March-April new cases bump did not have a corresponding bump in daily deaths. Daily deaths in the US have been flat since around the beginning of April, after a significant plunge that began around January 20th.
I wonder if the CDC Panic-Porn monger-ghouls will get a new cases bump, let alone the new cases surge they hope for. And the same disappointment with regard to daily deaths.
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4 days later, US new cases numbers are still falling. Less than 3 weeks for this surge to begin to fulfill the "CDC experts"' prediction.
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4 days later, US new cases numbers are still falling. Less than 3 weeks for this surge to begin to fulfill the "CDC experts"' prediction.
They changed "new surge" to "Blips". I got your blip right here Frauci.
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The curious can find how things are progressing in the US here, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ . Basically, the last week of March and first two weeks of April were a very moderate bump in new cases. Daily new cases have been falling since April 13th.
What's interesting to me is that the March-April new cases bump did not have a corresponding bump in daily deaths. Daily deaths in the US have been flat since around the beginning of April, after a significant plunge that began around January 20th.
I wonder if the CDC Panic-Porn monger-ghouls will get a new cases bump, let alone the new cases surge they hope for. And the same disappointment with regard to daily deaths.
Well, doggone it, they ran out of nursing homes to infect.
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4 days later, US new cases numbers are still falling. Less than 3 weeks for this surge to begin to fulfill the "CDC experts"' prediction.
A week later, US new cases numbers are still falling. Just 13 days left for the experts' prediction.
I wanted a "Panic Porn" graphic, but this was the closest I found:
(https://covidfactfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/covid-panic.jpg)
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New covid cases are dropping faster than Bill Gates pants.
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New covid cases are dropping faster than Bill Gates pants.
I posted this in another thread, but the peak news cases number was on January 8th, ~304K; yesterday was ~25K, and still falling.
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They are making educated guesses based on the data they have, but it's colored heavily by fear of the impact from getting it wrong. So everything takes a back seat to butt covering. You can see this in Fauci's statements - way too conservative in his projections and advice. So ultimately, while they are a good source of info, one should not make policy based solely on what you hear from the CDC.
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It may be concern about the Indian variant getting a hold here.
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It may be concern about the Indian variant getting a hold here.
As I posted in another thread:
Both Pfizer/BioNtech And Moderna Vaccines Remain Active Against India Variants
https://brief19.com/2021/05/17/brief/both-pfizerbiontech-and-moderna-vaccines-remain-active-against-india-variants (https://brief19.com/2021/05/17/brief/both-pfizerbiontech-and-moderna-vaccines-remain-active-against-india-variants)
A new study preprinted on biorxiv by researchers at New York University provides good news. While some of the new variants described in India evade, to some degree, the antibodies of patients who have recovered from infection (convalescent plasma), both these antibodies and those derived from fully vaccinated people still appear to function as intended, at least in laboratory settings. To a lesser extent, the study found the same to be true of monoclonal antibodies (i.e. Regeneron's therapeutic compound). These data imply that the new variants, B.1.617 and B.1.618 may be a little more slippery in their ability to wriggle away from natural and vaccine-induced antibodies, but not enough that those antibodies are rendered ineffective. In particular, most people who have recovered from infection or have been vaccinated are likely to have antibodies that are good enough to provide protection (the true clinical effect of the monoclonal antibodies among the "original" or "wildtype" variants remains debated).\ Interestingly, the measured antibody levels among vaccinated persons were about 5 times greater than those found among samples of blood taken from covid-19-recovered persons. This once again demonstrates that vaccines induce a massive antibody response, which is likely what makes them so effective to begin with and also explains in part why they have, so far, been remarkably able to overcome an onslaught variants. That said, the strength of the binding between the B.1.617 variant and vaccine-induced antibodies dropped 4-fold in this laboratory-based study. A 2.7-fold decrease was noted for the B.1.618 variant.
Variants! Variants! Variants!
Wolf! Wolf! Wolf!
I haven't seen anything wrt the J&J or Novavax vaccines and the Indian variant, but aside from that it is known that the J&J, Moderna, Novavax, and Pfizer vaccines all have significant effectiveness against known major variants. Novavax is probably getting close to requesting Emergency Use Authorization from the FDA.
Because AstraZeneca's vaccine isn't effective against the South African variant, I wonder if AZ will request EUA. And if the Indian variants is a further mutation from the South African variant, I doubt they will request EUA. Sanofi has a vaccine about to begin Phase 3 testing, though its effectiveness across multiple variants isn't clear.
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It may be concern about the Indian variant getting a hold here.
The COVID-19 variant first identified in India has been found in the US
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/553923-the-covid-19-variant-first-identified-in-india
May 17, 2021
On May 10, the World Health Organization (WHO) classified the coronavirus variant that was first identified in India as a “variant of concern” on a global level. This variant, named B.1.617, is thought to be more easily spread than the original versions of the novel coronavirus, and it has been linked to the current surge of cases in India....
...In April, Tennessee had cases from people who had recently traveled to India, according to The Associated Press (AP)....
...In Iowa, two cases were confirmed in early May, according to the AP. In Nebraska, a case caused by the B.1.617 variant was confirmed last week. The person has links to international travelers, according to the AP.
In Nevada last week, a woman who had not traveled and was not vaccinated tested positive for the B.1.617 variant, according to the AP. Eight other cases were also reported in Nevada....
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Cases here in FL have plummeted and that is with the thousands of new people moving to our state on a weekly basis.
I am suspect of this prediction of a surge. I am suspect of all the "variants".
If people like Fauci and cronies released the virus on us for their own political gain and agendas, they certainly will do it again.
Otherwise ... why do we need a 3rd shot and more to come? Meanwhile the drive towards socialism continues while our Republic is dismantled and our economy is destroyed.
It's time for people to wake the heck up!!!!
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Cases here in FL have plummeted and that is with the thousands of new people moving to our state on a weekly basis.
I am suspect of this prediction of a surge. I am suspect of all the "variants".
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Aside from a small bump, probably imported by Spring-Breakers from other states, FL's daily new cases have been declining since peaking in early January. The decline was a plummet until flattening more recently.
My opinion is that this prediction will be proven false by reality. That's why I keep bumping this thread, to mock the CDC "experts".
The variants are real enough, because that's what viruses do. But what the MSM bury or leave unsaid is that the Vaccines approved for use in the US are effective against the variants. I'm getting my second Pfizer in a few hours. I've seen no reason to get a booster (if, years from now, one becomes advisable, it would be no different from some other vaccines).
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Improving weather, higher vaccination rates ... these attention whores are going to need to manufacture a new crisis to keep our attention.
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Improving weather, higher vaccination rates ... these attention whores are going to need to manufacture a new crisis to keep our attention.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/RcUguFDWmPjTg4Qoi20DC3YpAAZIYKKJOoM7hi4YPerXk_LoqPF-jB0vgweG_OFCHEWjXlbePdAFqZEVufRxJeV_g_bOXh0SnKKlfQXp0EqhJkAWGoX3NxsGL_fgQQ)
I don't think it's going to work. We're into the warm weather months, and the vaccines are working.
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I was going to say: it's summer. Airborne viruses are seasonal; they always go down in the summer. So for people to predict surges in an environment when it's almost impossible to have a large surge... it's intellectually dishonest.
If they want to be worried, worry about autumn. That will be the true test of these vaccines. If there's another surge like last year, we've wasted our time. I don't think there will be but who knows?
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It's May 28th, still no surge. In fact, per https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ , both daily new cases and daily deaths numbers in the US continue to fall. Unsurprisingly.
What will the new Panic Porn date be for the "experts"' hoped for surge? By the end of June? July? August?
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I was going to say: it's summer. Airborne viruses are seasonal; they always go down in the summer. So for people to predict surges in an environment when it's almost impossible to have a large surge... it's intellectually dishonest.
If they want to be worried, worry about autumn. That will be the true test of these vaccines. If there's another surge like last year, we've wasted our time. I don't think there will be but who knows?
Also the fact that it has finally been reported that one has less that a 1% chance of contracting the virus outside.
So ... the idiots were absolutely wrong to shut down parks and beaches.
The numbers will naturally go up around the same time that flu season usually strikes when colder weather takes hold and more people stay inside. It's a no-brainer.
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Maskholes are pushing the face diaper now to prevent the "Summer Cold". Will it never end?
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Maskholes are pushing the face diaper now to prevent the "Summer Cold". Will it never end?
Pretty much all retailers and grocery stores have taken down their mask mandate signs and replaced with signs that if you are fully vaccinated that you do not need to wear a mask. Seeing that I am fully vaccinated ( :whistle:) I don't wear one except at the docs.
I was quite surprised when I walked into the credit union and the gal in front asked if I had a mask, I said I didn't need to wear one, and she handed me one ... I put it on and as I left the counter took it off and walked off. How absurd, especially since the gal handing out the masks, didn't have gloves on nor used sanitizer. So what was the freakin' point?
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It's May 28th, still no surge. In fact, per https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ , both daily new cases and daily deaths numbers in the US continue to fall. Unsurprisingly.
What will the new Panic Porn date be for the "experts"' hoped for surge? By the end of June? July? August?
Soon the 7-day rolling average of "daily cases" will be so low a 3-Wife Mormon family full of kids in Utah will get all get sick, and will then register as a "Mortal Spike" in the Federal Media. Film at Eleven.
This is literally squeezing-the-last-molecule-of-water-out-of-a-sponge level of milking a gig.
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Soon the 7-day rolling average of "daily cases" will be so low a 3-Wife Mormon family full of kids in Utah will get all get sick, and will then register as a "Mortal Spike" in the Federal Media. Film at Eleven.
This is literally squeezing the last molecule of water out of a sponge level of milking a gig.
:yowsa:
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It's May 28th, still no surge. In fact, per https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ , both daily new cases and daily deaths numbers in the US continue to fall. Unsurprisingly.
What will the new Panic Porn date be for the "experts"' hoped for surge? By the end of June? July? August?
It doesn't matter. All the Greenies tell us the world will end in just ten more years, anyway.
(No wonder so many of today's kids are so effed up. They have been hearing the message of "we're doomed" for their whole lives.)
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It doesn't matter. All the Greenies tell us the world will end in just ten more years, anyway.
(No wonder so many of today's kids are so effed up. They have been hearing the message of "we're doomed" for their whole lives.)
Yep, they seem to be moving away from COVID and back to Climate Change.
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The left has to have its volcanos to throw virgins in... How else can they be chiefs over the peasants with nothing else to offer...
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Still no surge of new cases or of deaths, daily new cases and deaths still falling in the US, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ .
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The government has conducted a grand experiment on how the best way to control the population.
Now that the disease seems to be subsiding, they are losing their grip, and how better to maintain it? Keep publicizing some phantom surge in the future. I think a massive middle finger event needs to be sent to CDC and their masters in the near future.
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Yep, they seem to be moving away from COVID and back to Climate Change.
Or how all white people are evil
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Still no surge of new cases or of deaths, daily new cases and deaths still falling in the US, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ .
Looks like Walensky was wrong again!
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Yesterday, I had the most bizarre and somewhat disturbing conversation on Twitter with a young reporter (Charleston Daily Mail, liberal rag). I had commented on the WV governor's idiotic plan to give away guns, trucks and money to people who get vaccinated.
ME: Much as I'd love a free gun, I'm not going to expose myself to an unnecessary and potentially harmful vaccine to get it.
HIM: There's a lot to unpack in this tweet.
ME: Not really. Free stuff - whether gun, car or bag of pretzels - is nice, but not when it really isn't free. Surrendering one's health for a taxpayer-funded trinket is not worth it.
HIM: Stuff for you to unpack:
1. Nearly 2 bil doses have been given worldwide. We're sure it's an incredibly safe vaccine by this point.
2. Guns usually are unnecessary & are potentially harmful. Probability of you dying even accidentally from that gun far exceeds dying from vaccine
ME: Utter nonsense on both points. Here's a journalistic tip: try investigating all sides of an issue. Otherwise, you're just a propagandist.
HIM: What do you think most reporters have been investigating for the past over-a-year, if not COVID-19? Here's a don't be an idiot tip: try not believing every no-name website & social media post you read. Otherwise, you start arguing guns are safe & vaccines aren't.
ME: You're a gullible young fellow, Ryan. That's a shame.
HIM: No, people dying because others aren't getting vaccinated is a shame.
ME: Okay. If that's what you want to believe, keep on doing so. Meanwhile, you might want to check out the Dr. Fauci emails that have been released. Looks like the whole Covid narrative is a lie.
This soyboy believes the news media have "investigated" anything about Covid in the past "over-a-year"? Mindlessly lapping up whatever Fauci says is hardly investigating. Incredible.
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@mountaineer
Ask the reporter about asbestos and any other number of things that were used for many, many years and thought to be safe. This "vaccination's" long term consequences are simply unknown. It may be fine. It may not be. To claim to know for certain either way is just plain foolish.
It is known that at least 4,000 people of died from the vaccine (as of the last count I remember over the last several months). Have their been 4,000 people killed by gun accidents over the last several months?
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This soyboy believes the news media have "investigated" anything about Covid in the past "over-a-year"? Mindlessly lapping up whatever Fauci says is hardly investigating. Incredible.
Unreal. Neither a scientist nor much of an investigator, probably just rewords the AP feed.
Folks around here had figured out the who, the WHO, that it was a lab construct, and that the measures taken were either outright harmful, denied viable treatments, or were designed to perpetuate suffering, death, and FEAR, for the purpose of control of the masses and to usher in measures which would permit serious and game-changing FRAUD during a national election. While some sources were political in nature (especially the election and the fear and control aspects, they were also obvious to anyone who would look unflinchingly at what was going on.
Pretty sad that he should get a refund and an apology from whatever school where he learned to be an investigative reporter. He got rooked.
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The NYT has issued their Hold My Beer prophecy:
THIS HEADLINE IN THE NYT SEEMS KIND OF HOPEFUL
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/454520/ (https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/454520/)
The South may see a Covid surge this summer as vaccination rates lag. But the NYT has been gleefully predicting mass death for flyover yahoos since the beginning of Covid, even as NYC and New York State remained among the worst places in the country for the disease.
Predictable clASS from the NYT. Between vax rates that are not that far behind NY or an uber-blue West Coast state and those who have immunity from recovery (people the NYT cannot bring itself to admit exist), I think the NYT, like CDC bureaucrats will be severely disappointed. And when summer ends in September, the NYT, like the CDC bureaucrats will have moved on to the next bit of Panic Porn.
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@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
The "Delta" covid virus is spreading in the UK. It was called the "India" virus, but they did not want to insult India, so they changed the name to "Delta" a few days ago. The NHS (National Health Service), is keeping records of how many are going to hospital, and if those numbers go high enough, the full opening of the nation on June 21, will be changed to a later time.
Last Thursday, they had 5,274 more Delta; Friday was 6,238 more Delta, the highest in the last two months.
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I'm not familiar with this source but it claims to be quoting other established sources:
https://beckernews.com/scientists-believe-they-have-smoking-gun-for-wuhan-gain-of-function-research-causing-covid-19-39560/
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@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
The "Delta" covid virus is spreading in the UK. It was called the "India" virus, but they did not want to insult India, so they changed the name to "Delta" a few days ago. The NHS (National Health Service), is keeping records of how many are going to hospital, and if those numbers go high enough, the full opening of the nation on June 21, will be changed to a later time.
Last Thursday, they had 5,274 more Delta; Friday was 6,238 more Delta, the highest in the last two months.
@Victoria33, as I posted before, the UK is not experiencing any kind of surge, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ . The India or Delta variant (WHO is the "they" that did the name change) may be the current dominant variant in circulation in the UK, but only by supplanting other variants. As for the US, the three vaccines currently in use in the US are already known to be effective against known variants, as is the Novavax vaccine, for which Emergency Use Authorization may soon be requested.
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@Victoria33, as I posted before, the UK is not experiencing any kind of surge,
@PeteS in CA
My son lives there so you believe whatever you read, I will believe what the NHS tells him every day and what he experiences on the ground.
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@PeteS in CA
My son lives there so you believe whatever you read, I will believe what the NHS tells him every day and what he experiences on the ground.
As you believed the Fauci lies?
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@PeteS in CA
My son lives there so you believe whatever you read, I will believe what the NHS tells him every day and what he experiences on the ground.
@Victoria33, you want UK government data? Here is the equivalent chart from the UK government, https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases . The charts are the same - if you bother to look at them - because Worldometer's data source is the government of the UK (how weird!). The UK is not experiencing a surge in Covid cases, according to the UK's own published data.
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@Victoria33, you want UK government data? The UK is not experiencing a surge in Covid cases, according to the UK's own published data.[/color]
@PeteS in CA
A week ago he was admitted to the hospital as an emergency case not related to covid but he was where covid patients go. He went back there several days later after getting out of hospital for his second covid shot. He gets first hand knowledge what is happening there due to his connections to news services people, BBC, and others, police and yes, to those who shall not be mentioned. He is a documentary film producer/director, lived there over 25 years. I believe him and his connections. The NHS will re-evaluate where the UK is on June 14, to determine whether or not to open the country on June 21.
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@PeteS in CA
A week ago he was admitted to the hospital as an emergency case not related to covid but he was where covid patients go. He went back there several days later after getting out of hospital for his second covid shot. He gets first hand knowledge what is happening there due to his connections to news services people, BBC, and others, police and yes, to those who shall not be mentioned. He is a documentary film producer/director, lived there over 25 years. I believe him and his connections. The NHS will re-evaluate where the UK is on June 14, to determine whether or not to open the country on June 21.
@Victoria33
So you believe the data the UK government is reporting is a lie hiding the surge?
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases
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@Victoria33
So you believe the data the UK government is reporting is a lie hiding the surge?
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases
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@thackney, 888high58888 for posting the UK government's daily new cases chart. I doubt that @Victoria33 bothered to look at either the Worldometer or UK government webpages, not wanting to see data that contradicts what she wants to be true.
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Look at seven day periods data.
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AS OF JUNE 6/7: Consider all in quotes:
Cases in the UK have surged by 53% in a week as 17 areas now have infection rates above 100 per 100,000 people, new data shows.
The government’s latest COVID-19 figures, released on Monday, demonstrate the continued spread of the more transmissible Indian variant, which has been renamed the "Delta" variant by the World Health Organization.
Downing Street has said there is “nothing in the data” to suggest a delay would be needed.
But an increasing number of senior advisers are believed to be pushing for a delay of up to a couple of weeks to fully understand the impact of the Indian variant.
In the seven days up to Monday, there were 35,796 cases reported in the UK.
This is an increase of 12,378 (52.9%) from the number reported the week before - ending May 31.
Read: Children over 12 should get COVID vaccine 'quickly', says former government chief science adviser
Meanwhile, 17 areas have now emerged as hotspots including Bolton, Manchester and Glasgow. A full list of those areas can be viewed at the bottom of this page.
The latest government figures also shows that 28 areas have a case rate of more than 100 per 100,000.
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The UK’s recent surge in Covid-19 infections has continued today with 5,341 new cases confirmed, as of 9am on Sunday, meaning cases have risen by 11,022 (or 49 per cent) over the last seven days.
Government data also showed that a further four people had died within 28 days of testing positive for Covid-19, suggesting that the recent rise in cases has not yet led to a surge in hospitalisations and deaths.
It came as health secretary Matt Hancock confirmed that people aged under 30 would be invited to book their coronavirus vaccine jabs starting this week.
Speaking on Sky News’ Trevor Phillips On Sunday programme, the health secretary said vaccines had “severed, but not broken” the link between a rise in cases and and the number of people being admitted into hospital.
“The majority of people going into hospital right now are unvaccinated,” Mr Hancock said.
The health secretary added that the government’s plans for a final lifting of the remaining Covid-19 restrictions would likely move forward as planned later this month if there is no increase in hospital admissions over the coming days.
However, he said it was “too early” to say whether restrictions would be fully lifted for sure.
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Look at seven day periods data.
@Victoria33, that nice smooth dark blue curve on the chart is the running 7-day average. You would have known that had you bothered to look along the the bottom of the chart @thackney posted. Even that bump in the last several days is a bump in a basement floor, and may have already peaked.
UK reality isn't what you seem determined to believe it is, @Victoria33.
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@Victoria33, that nice smooth dark blue curve on the chart is the running 7-day average. You would have known that had you bothered to look along the the bottom of the chart @thackney posted. Even that bump in the last several days is a bump in a basement floor, and may have already peaked. UK reality isn't what you seem determined to believe it is, @Victoria33.
I looked at the whole chart. Maybe you have not read my post before this one. No point in going on with this conversation.
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I looked at the whole chart. Maybe you have not read my post before this one. No point in going on with this conversation.
If you looked at the whole chart then you knew the 7-day average shows the UK is not experiencing a bump in new cases.
Meanwhile, looking at Worldometer, the US' new cases and deaths numbers obstinately continue to decline, defying CDC experts' hopes.
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@PeteS in CA
A week ago he was admitted to the hospital as an emergency case not related to covid but he was where covid patients go. He went back there several days later after getting out of hospital for his second covid shot. He gets first hand knowledge what is happening there due to his connections to news services people, BBC, and others, police and yes, to those who shall not be mentioned. He is a documentary film producer/director, lived there over 25 years. I believe him and his connections. The NHS will re-evaluate where the UK is on June 14, to determine whether or not to open the country on June 21.
If not now, then when? What more can they do? The vaccine was the last weapon they had in the arsenal. They HAVE to reopen.
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@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
Latest from the UK:
Delta virus 40% more spreadable than the other main UK virus. Talks are going on to move being full open country from June 20/21 to July 20/21. They believe they will have 80% with two shots by that July date, but that does not include the children so the 80% does not mean herd immunity due to the children. An effort has started to vaccinate children.
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@Victoria33, looking at Worldometer's UK page, I see the UK is experiencing a bump. Whether that is mostly vaccinated or unvaccinated people I've not heard. And whether it turns into something more than a bump from a very low floor remains to be seen.
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Former Trump advisor predicts: We're going to see a third wave of COVID, especially in red states
https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2021/06/14/former-trump-advisor-predicts-were-going-to-see-a-third-wave-of-covid-especially-in-red-states-n396590 (https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2021/06/14/former-trump-advisor-predicts-were-going-to-see-a-third-wave-of-covid-especially-in-red-states-n396590)
It’s hard to imagine we won’t see a wave now that the B.1.617 Indian/Delta variant is spreading in the U.S. and less than half the population remains fully vaccinated. But it feels newsy that a Trump alum like Bossert would sound a discouraging note after Republican opinion has already shifted to “the pandemic’s over, everyone take off your masks.”
Note that Bossert’s not predicting a disaster, just a rise in cases of some degree. Studies show that the mRNA vaccines work against the Indian variant; we also know from CDC data that more than three-quarters of senior citizens have been fully vaccinated. The most vulnerable people won’t be washed away by the next wave that crashes down on the U.S.
But some adults who remain unvaccinated will. It’s only a question of how many. Watch the last few minutes of this clip then read on.
1. Despite the prediction of CDC "experts" and now this guy's more carefully qualified prediction, there is no hint of a bump in new cases on Worldometer's US page. New cases continue to decline.
2. I'm underwhelmed by Allahpundit's capability for thinking things through. As he suggested, just 43.4% of the US population is "fully vaccinated" ( https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations , as of yesterday morning). But there are several factors he did not consider.
First, 52.4% of the US population have received at least one vaccine dose. IOW, and additional 9% of the US population have received the first dose of either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine. It has been learned that a single dose of those vaccines provides immunity similar in effectiveness to the single-dose J&J vaccine. That's 9% of people who have substantial immunity that Allahpundit ignored.
Second, based on observing that webpage almost daily, 800K-1M doses are injected daily. While not as great a rate as non-anti-vaxxers would wish, by the end of summer (late September) as many as 70-80 million more Americans might be at least partially vaccinated. IOW, the populations of the susceptible and of those who could transmit are shrinking steadily.
Third, children under age 12 are not allowed to be vaccinated. That's 10%-15% of the US population; thankfully, their risk appears to be significantly lower than for adults.
Fourth, based on Worldometer data, ~8.5% of the US population have immunity from recovery. While some of us have also gotten vaccinated, there is a counter-balancing group of unknown magnitude who either did not know they had Covid or didn't bother to get tested (of course, some of them may have gotten vaccinated).
Taking all that together, some 60%-65% of the US population have a significant degree of immunity, obviously a majority. That population of the immune is growing daily, while 10%-15% of the US population is not allowed, yet, to be vaccinated.
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In miscellaneous news:
* Both Pfizer and Moderna have begun the Biologics License Application process for adults. A Biologics License means full FDA approval for a vaccine. Will anti-vaxxers give up their "experimental vaccine" talking-point? Probably not.
* Moderna last week applied for an expansion of their Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to include youths age 12-17. Pfizer's EUA was expanded to include ages 12-15 in the first part of May
* Novavax announced that their vaccine had met the primary endpoints for its Phase 3 test, with 90.4% efficacy and 100% protection against moderate and severe disease, https://ir.novavax.com/news-releases/news-release-details/novavax-covid-19-vaccine-demonstrates-90-overall-efficacy-and . Novavax plans to apply for EUA in coming weeks. Anti-vaxxers will have a third vaccine technology to shovel @#$% against, as Novavax uses protein subunit technology rather than mRNA or viral vector technology. I'm sure anti-vaxxers' capacity for lie creation is equal to that task.
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@PeteS in CA
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
@Gefn
Talked with son (who is in UK) yesterday. Pete, glad you posted to bring this virus thread up again.
In UK, Delta numbers are doubling every week. When I talk to him on Skype, I write down what he says about numbers: Last Saturday, 7,800 new cases of Delta. For whole numbers, consider that 8,000 new cases every day for the last week. This also means a likely 16,000 more per day when this week is over unless it surpasses that number as it spreads quickly.
He also said national health dept. and govn. wanted to open UK completely on June 21, but they were to make an announcement shortly about that. He knows they may have to keep this level of closure until July 21, four more weeks.
I will find out what they said today, if, indeed, they did make a statement confirming one way or the other. It is 5:01 pm here at my house, central time, so it is 11:17 pm there (6 hrs. ahead of central time). I will do a search after I post this.
Heard a US woman doctor today who is on TV a lot; she works with this virus (yes, I should get her name, I will do that, I promise.) She is concerned about Delta here; said it is spreading rapidly here and Delta is worse than other strains to spread and is medically worse than others as the vaccines cannot prevent this strain.
An added bonus for you on this thread: It is scientifically determined that Earl Grey Tea lowers cholesterol and is good for your heart. Yes, I have read the scientific evidence. I use Twinings Earl Grey Tea as they developed this tea way back in historical tea history.
I started this several days ago when I found this effect of the tea. I am drinking two cups per day, one mid-morning, one at 5 or 6 or 7 pm. It is the Bergamot Peel in the black tea that medically lowers cholesterol. I am using this rather than a statin drug the doc wants; statin drugs have some bad side effects; I am not going to take them - will drink tea. Doc makes me go for blood test every three months, have two more months before have to go there. I will know the cholesterol number at that time; will let you know if the number has lowered.
Ok, will keep drinking my cup of Earl Grey and will do a bit of research to find doc name and what UK government said or did not say today, the 14th.
PS. I bought Twinings Earl Grey Tea Bags on Amazon, $12.36 for 100 tea bags.
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Heard a US woman doctor today who is on TV a lot; she works with this virus (yes, I should get her name, I will do that, I promise.) She is concerned about Delta here; said it is spreading rapidly here and Delta is worse than other strains to spread and is medically worse than others as the vaccines cannot prevent this strain.
I could have sworn I heard somewhere the vaccine does prevent the "variant" strains. This is getting interesting. :pop41:
Yes, here it is. Looks like scientists disagree. Two doses of vaccine highly effective against Delta variant, U.K. officials say
Akshay Syal, MD 2 hrs ago
Two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech or the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccines are highly effective against hospitalization from the Delta variant of the coronavirus, according to a new analysis from Public Health England released Monday.
The variant, which was first identified in India, has become the predominant strain in the United Kingdom. A previous analysis from PHE suggested that a single dose of the vaccine was less effective against symptomatic illness caused by the Delta variant compared to the so-called Alpha variant, or B.1.1.7, which swept the U.K. in the winter.
The new analysis found that two doses of the Pfizer vaccine were 96 percent effective against hospitalization from the Delta variant, and two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine were 92 percent effective. ...
NBC News via MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/two-doses-of-vaccine-highly-effective-against-delta-variant-uk-officials-say/ar-AAL2CRW)
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I could have sworn I heard somewhere the vaccine does prevent the "variant" strains. This is getting interesting. :pop41:
Yes, here it is. Looks like scientists disagree.NBC News via MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/two-doses-of-vaccine-highly-effective-against-delta-variant-uk-officials-say/ar-AAL2CRW)
Personally, I don't believe anything coming from the CDC nor the WHO. The fact that the scientists can't agree for the most part is also concerning.
Most of those in my area are NOT wearing masks. Signs mandating mask wearing have been taken down.
Hospitals and medical facilities are still mandating masks -- cloth is not allowed and they hand you a paper mask -- medical grade.
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@mountaineer
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
@Gefn
@PeteS in CA
YES, UK EXTENDED DATE TO KEEP UK AT PRESENT LEVEL LOCKDOWN RESTRICTIONS FOR ANOTHER FOUR WEEKS, JULY 19:
Consider the rest in quotes:
"Health leaders have expressed “relief” that the Prime Minister has extended the current lockdown restrictions for another four weeks.
Pushing back so-called Freedom Day to July 19 will mean that the NHS can vaccinate “many more people”, NHS Providers said as it welcomed the “cautious” approach.
It will also mean that there is “less pressure” on hospitals which are still recovering from the effects of the pandemic.
Meanwhile, the NHS Confederation said health leaders will be “relieved” at the delay.
Chris Hopson, chief executive of NHS Providers, said that a cautious approach 'is prudent'".
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Addition: UK hoping if person has had two vaccine shots, and gets Delta, the vaccines will keep the infection lower so person may not have to go to hospital. Hospital admissions are tracked.
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@mountaineer
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
@Gefn
@PeteS in CA
YES, UK EXTENDED DATE TO KEEP UK AT PRESENT LEVEL LOCKDOWN RESTRICTIONS FOR ANOTHER FOUR WEEKS, JULY 19:
Consider the rest in quotes:
"Health leaders have expressed “relief” that the Prime Minister has extended the current lockdown restrictions for another four weeks.
Pushing back so-called Freedom Day to July 19 will mean that the NHS can vaccinate “many more people”, NHS Providers said as it welcomed the “cautious” approach.
It will also mean that there is “less pressure” on hospitals which are still recovering from the effects of the pandemic.
Meanwhile, the NHS Confederation said health leaders will be “relieved” at the delay.
Chris Hopson, chief executive of NHS Providers, said that a cautious approach 'is prudent'".
England sucks. Lockdowns don't work. But hey if it makes you feel good ... Fear Porn.
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If not now, then when? What more can they do? The vaccine was the last weapon they had in the arsenal. They HAVE to reopen.
Absolutely agree with you on this @jmyrlefuller
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US daily new cases and daily deaths still falling.
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US daily new cases and daily deaths still falling.
Yeah but an important election is coming.
Gotta mandate those universal mail in ballots & Zuckerboxes.
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But the India variant of the Chinese Wuhan Flu is still the mo dangerous and will kill millions and millions....
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When you see the light at the end of the tunnel....extend the tunnel!