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Weld hammers Trump over McCain attacks: You're a 'national embarrassment'
By Tal Axelrod - 03/19/19 05:39 PM EDT
Former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld, who last month announced a committee to explore a GOP primary challenge to President Trump, slammed the president Tuesday as a “national embarrassment†over his recent criticisms of the late Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.).
“@realDonaldTrump 's continued attacks on John McCain are contemptible and beneath the dignity of our American democracy,†Weld tweeted Tuesday. “While @realDonaldTrump's senseless attacks on allies have become all too common, his defamation of a deceased American hero has reached a new low and raises serious concerns about his mental stability and moral integrity.â€
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/434804-weld-hammers-trump-over-mccain-attacks-youre-a-national-embarrassment
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No actually, McCain was the national embarrassment!
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I hope ex governor Bill Weld didn't think his weighing in on the issue was going to change a single damn mind.
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No actually, McCain was the national embarrassment!
Trump is on his way to claiming that title.
And somebody please tell Mr. Weld the US is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. As a Harvard grad, he should know that.
Or is Mr. Weld vying for the title of national embarrassment too?
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No actually, McCain was the national embarrassment!
:amen: :beer:
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Bill Weld is a national embarassment.
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Bill Weld is a national embarassment.
Would be if anyone knew who he is but they don't so he isn't.
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Would be if anyone knew who he is but they don't so he isn't.
Exactly. I follow news fairly regularly and I said ‘who’ when he announced he’d run in 2020.
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Vulcan wrote:
"Bill Weld is a national embarassment."
He certainly is one to Republicans!
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@mystery-ak
“While @realDonaldTrump's senseless attacks on allies have become all too common, his defamation of a deceased American hero has reached a new low and raises serious concerns about his mental stability and moral integrity.â€
Congressional members are now talking about this strange mental behavior of Trump who cannot stop berating a man even though he is dead. This has been going on for a few days now - Trump can't quit and won't. It would be strange if his obsessing on McCain lead to his being removed due to the 25th amendment. McCain would win from his grave.
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@mystery-ak
“While @realDonaldTrump's senseless attacks on allies have become all too common, his defamation of a deceased American hero has reached a new low and raises serious concerns about his mental stability and moral integrity.â€
Congressional members are now talking about this strange mental behavior of Trump who cannot stop berating a man even though he is dead. This has been going on for a few days now - Trump can't quit and won't. It would be strange if his obsessing on McCain lead to his being removed due to the 25th amendment. McCain would win from his grave.
Link please??
So ... let me get this straight. McCain, a sitting U.S. Senator interferes with an election and tries to seat a candidate of the opposite party, and that behavior is seen as o.k., but the man who was the victim, and who won in spite of the corruption thrown at him is seen as having strange mental behavior for voicing his disapproval? The one who should be seen as having strange mental behavior is John Traitor McCain! Dead or not, what he did is illegal, immoral and should be unacceptable to everyone!
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I'm looking at Trump's Twitter feed, it's not like constant Tweets about McCain or anything. There are a few, not as many as I expected.
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Link please??
So ... let me get this straight. McCain, a sitting U.S. Senator interferes with an election and tries to seat a candidate of the opposite party, and that behavior is seen as o.k., but the man who was the victim, and who won in spite of the corruption thrown at him is seen as having strange mental behavior for voicing his disapproval? The one who should be seen as having strange mental behavior is John Traitor McCain! Dead or not, what he did is illegal, immoral and should be unacceptable to everyone!
The behavior is "strange" because he is bringing up the alleged actions of a man who is dead. Grownups with class stop ragging on a person when that person is no longer around.
Really, what does harping about this now really do? You said yourself Trump won. How does bringing it up now benefit Trump when he won the presidency anyway? McCain is in the grave, so he can't be investigated or prosecuted There is nothing that can be done to undo whatever McCain did. So again, why bring it up?
And by the way, why the dig about McCain's academic record at the Naval Academy? At least, it is known that McCain wasn't a good student. We don't know about Trump's recorcd. For all we know, Trump could have been the class dunce.
Trump is petty, childish and totally lacking in class. He's a 12-year-old in the body of a man who is over 70. It's time he grows up and acts like a real president. That he can't seem to do so makes me wonder if the allegations about his present mental state are true.
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The history of the dossier is below at the link. It was Christopher Steele whose investigation put together the dossier and it was Steele who gave it in its entirety to the FBI for them to investigate. The FBI worked with Steele, whom they had worked with before, and knew him to be credible. McCain had nothing to do with that. He was given a copy at some point, knew nothing of the investigation, and gave it to the FBI to investigate as he did not know whether it was true or not, and that is what he should have done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier
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The history of the dossier is below at the link. It was Christopher Steele whose investigation put together the dossier and it was Steele who gave it in its entirety to the FBI for them to investigate. The FBI worked with Steele, whom they had worked with before, and knew him to be credible. McCain had nothing to do with that. He was given a copy at some point, knew nothing of the investigation, and gave it to the FBI to investigate as he did not know whether it was true or not, and that is what he should have done.
In all likelihood, there’s something going on with the Mueller report he knows about, but we don’t. Just looking at recent developments, over the past few days, it makes sense. Out of nowhere, he starts ranting about McCain, the dossier, and the investigation. Discussions about executive privilege arise, Rosenstein decides to stick around a little longer, and news Mueller is funded through September comes out. I doubt that’s all coincidental.
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The history of the dossier is below at the link. It was Christopher Steele whose investigation put together the dossier and it was Steele who gave it in its entirety to the FBI for them to investigate. The FBI worked with Steele, whom they had worked with before, and knew him to be credible. McCain had nothing to do with that. He was given a copy at some point, knew nothing of the investigation, and gave it to the FBI to investigate as he did not know whether it was true or not, and that is what he should have done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier)
McCain delivered the dossier to Comey. Secondly, McCain turned the dossier over in hopes that it would help to smear Trump. Third, McCain lied about being the source for BuzzFeed after it published the dossier, which was funded by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/court-files-reveal-role-of-mccain-aide-in-spreading-anti-trump-dossier (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/court-files-reveal-role-of-mccain-aide-in-spreading-anti-trump-dossier)
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The behavior is "strange" because he is bringing up the alleged actions of a man who is dead. Grownups with class stop ragging on a person when that person is no longer around.
And by the way, why the dig about McCain's academic record at the Naval Academy? At least, it is known that McCain wasn't a good student. We don't know about Trump's recorcd. For all we know, Trump could have been the class dunce.
He's a 12-year-old in the body of a man who is over 70. It's time he grows up and acts like a real president. That he can't seem to do so makes me wonder if the allegations about his present mental state are true.
@Applewood
"That he can't seem to do so makes me wonder if the allegations about his present mental state are true."
You get it. This obsessing over a dead man he wants to hurt won't stop until Trump dies. Years ago, a woman reporter from England rejected him for sex and he sent her nasty messages for 20 yrs., until she told him if he did it again, she would get a lawyer and stop him - then he quit. Trump was married to his present wife when he tried to get the reporter to sleep with him.
Since Trump can't get to McCain, he is attacking the family to try to hurt them. This is aberrant behavior - mentally sick behavior.
In past years, I heard McCain talking about his years at the Naval Academy. He was young, I think 17, when he went there and McCain said he was a rascal having fun instead of turning in work. That did not mean he was not smart, it meant he did not abide by the rules and turn in his work. My guess is he likely skipped classes, too, a rascal would do that.
From Trump's early behavior, I think he had/has a learning disability and has difficulty reading. I believe his grades to be poor due to that (and he had Cohen threaten the schools to keep his grades secret) and he attacked others to bring them down because he could not be on a level with them in reading/learning. He does not read to this day; he has someone read and tell him what it says. From age 2 his father could not handle him. Yes, he did physically attack his music teacher when he was 9 years old. Because he could not be controlled, his father sent him to military school to try to change his behavior. His behavior is still as it was then.
If he doesn't stop attacking the McCain family, it may bring him down by either removal or losing in 2020.
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From memory today on AM radio:
Recent poll, hasTrump's approval, and disapproval increasingly favorable.
His numbers are BETTER than Reagan, Clinton, Obama at this point in their 1st terms--and they all won re-election.
Trump's Nov. 2018 midterm congressional result was not as bad as Xlinton or Obama, who won re-election."deranged" #nevertrumpers' emotions and daily gotcha articles, posts notwithstanding.
Again trending for re-election in 2020. Dems fighting over to go for 1972 (Nixon won 49 states vs. the most far left opponent), or 1992 (Clinton won as centrist). Biden comes closest to "centrist." He is 76.
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In all likelihood, there’s something going on with the Mueller report he knows about, but we don’t.
This is the President's all too human reaction to the sworn testimony ... which puts beyond speculation what a complete and unrelenting slime ball McCain was in life. McCain's pure, unadulterated jealousy that Donald Trump won the office he coveted helped put this entire country through hell for more than two years. McCain knew the dossier wasn't true, he could have tried to stop it for the good of the country ... but instead this lowlife gave it to everyone, including the press.
McCain's pure, unadulterated hatred also left Obamacare on the table --- even though McCain campaigned on the promise to end it. This makes him a liar who again proved his life was not about "country first", but personal vengeance and malicious gratification. Let's not forget the Keating Five, Campaign Finance Reform and his support of ISIS in Syria.
And remember also McCain's very last act on this earth was one of vengeance --- A funeral his position did not justify punctuated with hate from the grave for the man who won the office he so deservedly lost.
McCain didn't stop his attacks after death. Others returning the favor is the karma McCain, himself, has earned.
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If he doesn't stop attacking the McCain family, it may bring him down by either removal or losing in 2020.
This is delusional thinking @Victoria33 --- on so very many levels.
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Weld is a loyalist to HR Clinton. He is her pawn.
And Trump spoke the unvarnished truth on McCain. McCain was a rat, and did nothing but harm to the Republican Party. And contrary to some on this thread, he played a greater role in the dossier. It was his way to destroy Trump, and he used every fiber to do that, including voting against a piece of legislation he campaigned on.
McCain was a rotten political maggot. So tired of his type of ilk in our governance. I fully understand Trump's behavior, but better to let it rest.
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@Victoria33
If he doesn't stop attacking the McCain family, it may bring him down by either removal or losing in 2020.
Unfortunately, as you cam see from this thread, there are plenty of voters who would vote for Trump again in 2020, no matter what he says or does (or, in the case of his promises, doesn't do).
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McCain didn't stop his attacks after death. Others returning the favor is the karma McCain, himself, has earned.
Um...how could McCain attack anyone after he is dead?
By the way -- the things that were said and done supposedly by McCain in his last days -- I have my doubts those were his words or actions. At the end, I doubt he was in any condition to do or say things on his own. Most likely, it was his family or representatives who spoke and acted for him.
Regardless -- I ask again -- what purpose does it serve to go after McCain now that he's dead?
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@Victoria33
Unfortunately, as you cam see from this thread, there are plenty of voters who would vote for Trump again in 2020, no matter what he says or does (or, in the case of his promises, doesn't do).
There are also quite a number of people like me who did not vote for him last time but surely will next time if he continues to perform his duties as he has done thus far.
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This is the President's all too human reaction to the sworn testimony ... which puts beyond speculation what a complete and unrelenting slime ball McCain was in life. McCain's pure, unadulterated jealousy that Donald Trump won the office he coveted helped put this entire country through hell for more than two years. McCain knew the dossier wasn't true, he could have tried to stop it for the good of the country ... but instead this lowlife gave it to everyone, including the press.
McCain's pure, unadulterated hatred also left Obamacare on the table --- even though McCain campaigned on the promise to end it. This makes him a liar who again proved his life was not about "country first", but personal vengeance and malicious gratification. Let's not forget the Keating Five, Campaign Finance Reform and his support of ISIS in Syria.
And remember also McCain's very last act on this earth was one of vengeance --- A funeral his position did not justify punctuated with hate from the grave for the man who won the office he so deservedly lost.
McCain didn't stop his attacks after death. Others returning the favor is the karma McCain, himself, has earned.
OK, but though the tweets this weekend covered a variety of things and were seemingly random, they were also subject specific. There wasn’t anything really publicly new about the investigation over the weekend, but he went after it and its genesis. Why? Only he know, but we did find this out on Tuesday.
“Counsel responsible for preparing the response face the press of other work and require additional time to consult within the government,†Deputy Solicitor General Michael R. Dreeben and prosecutor Adam C. Jed wrote in a filing, according to the Post.
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/434842-mueller-team-asks-court-for-delay-citing-press-of-other-work-in-case
What other work and with whom are they consulting? Just a random guess, on my part, but I think he has an inkling about it.
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Exactly. I follow news fairly regularly and I said ‘who’ when he announced he’d run in 2020.
Oh, that explains why this guy is trying to achieve notoriety by joining the conga line. Maybe if he kicks a little bit higher... **nononono*
Pathetic Democrats Communists.
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https://thebulwark.com/exclusive-sen-johnny-isakson-stands-up-for-mccain-unloads-on-trump/
Trump is a slug
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Wasn't Weld Gary Johnson's VP candidate? :shrug:
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Someone PLEASE tell Weld to ESAD.
I realize that involves cannibalism,but this isn't a perfect world that we live in or the SOB would have never been elected to start with.
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From memory today on AM radio:
Recent poll, hasTrump's approval, and disapproval increasingly favorable.
His numbers are BETTER than Reagan, Clinton, Obama at this point in their 1st terms--and they all won re-election.
Trump's Nov. 2018 midterm congressional result was not as bad as Xlinton or Obama, who won re-election."deranged" #nevertrumpers' emotions and daily gotcha articles, posts notwithstanding.
Again trending for re-election in 2020. Dems fighting over to go for 1972 (Nixon won 49 states vs. the most far left opponent), or 1992 (Clinton won as centrist). Biden comes closest to "centrist." He is 76.
Is it possible to be too honest? Well, no matter. It is what it is.
Donald Trump is one the most forthright Presidents in my lifetime – the other was Reagan (though being of a different generation, Reagan had more refinement, wit and class). Trump speaks the truth, though. And they can’t handle the truth.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2GLsMRX4AIA1q9.jpg:large)
https://thebulwark.com/exclusive-sen-johnny-isakson-stands-up-for-mccain-unloads-on-trump/
Trump is a slug
@Once-Ler
It is only natural that you and the other Dim Fascists would defend McLunatic. He was one of yours,a bald-faced liar,grifter,traitor,and petty little bitch.
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The very nature of a political ecosphere is the absolute definition of alternative realities – as is witnessed right here on this thread.
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OK, but though the tweets this weekend covered a variety of things and were seemingly random, they were also subject specific. There wasn’t anything really publicly new about the investigation over the weekend, but he went after it and its genesis. Why? Only he know, but we did find this out on Tuesday.
“Counsel responsible for preparing the response face the press of other work and require additional time to consult within the government,†Deputy Solicitor General Michael R. Dreeben and prosecutor Adam C. Jed wrote in a filing, according to the Post.
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/434842-mueller-team-asks-court-for-delay-citing-press-of-other-work-in-case
What other work and with whom are they consulting? Just a random guess, on my part, but I think he has an inkling about it.
@edpc
I believe you are right. I posted a link to Wikipedia which explains about the dossier and near the end of the article it says the specifics in the dossier continue to be found true as the investigation continues. I was surprised to read that. Perhaps that is why Trump is upset, he has found out the Mueller report certifies the information in the dossier as being true, down to the women he had urinate on the bed. Comey's book lists the number of times Trump talks to him about the dossier; Trump was fixated on the women part, telling Comey over and over that was not true and he asked Comey to tell his wife (Trump's wife), it was not true. If he now knows what is said about the dossier in the report, he is blaming McCain for it before the report comes out; hang it on McCain since McCain can't answer him. When something goes wrong, Trump will blame someone else and is doing that now.
Another point:
In the past few days, I heard a prior Southern District attorney speak about executive privilege. Executive privilege begins when a president is sworn in. Before that minute, there is no executive privilege, so anything Trump did/said during the campaign is not privileged.
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@Once-Ler
It is only natural that you and the other Dim Fascists would defend McLunatic. He was one of yours,a bald-faced liar,grifter,traitor,and petty little bitch.
@sneakypete I don't understand those words in the order you wrote them. Are you saying McCain wasn't a life long Republican? That's your party, and a great reason I'm not defending McCain.
I'm slandering Trump. That's my thing.
I don't mention McCain until President Scrooge gets haunted by a Big-Mac induced nightmare about McCain's ghost and the Mango Mussolini has a twitter tantrum.
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@sneakypete I don't understand those words in the order you wrote them. Are you saying McCain wasn't a life long Republican? That's your party, and a great reason I'm not defending McCain.
@Once-Ler
McLunatic could have been your brother. He PRETENDED to be a Republican because that was what he needed to do to get elected,but he was a life-long weasel who never cared a thing about anyone or anything other than himself.
Frankly,I am shocked you don't love him.
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Wasn't Weld Gary Johnson's VP candidate? :shrug:
At his core he is nothing more than another mushy-middlle "Republican."
That position is already taken, many times over.
ot Kasich, Jebby, etc.?
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@edpc
I believe you are right. I posted a link to Wikipedia which explains about the dossier and near the end of the article it says the specifics in the dossier continue to be found true as the investigation continues. I was surprised to read that. Perhaps that is why Trump is upset, he has found out the Mueller report certifies the information in the dossier as being true, down to the women he had urinate on the bed. Comey's book lists the number of times Trump talks to him about the dossier; Trump was fixated on the women part, telling Comey over and over that was not true and he asked Comey to tell his wife (Trump's wife), it was not true. If he now knows what is said about the dossier in the report, he is blaming McCain for it before the report comes out; hang it on McCain since McCain can't answer him. When something goes wrong, Trump will blame someone else and is doing that now.
Another point:
In the past few days, I heard a prior Southern District attorney speak about executive privilege. Executive privilege begins when a president is sworn in. Before that minute, there is no executive privilege, so anything Trump did/said during the campaign is not privileged.
I’m not certain I subscribe to the more salacious parts, but some aspects have proven out, such as the continued effort through at least mid 2016 to pursue the Moscow project, Manafort’s money issues with Ukraine, and previous associations with criminally connected people like Agalarov. That’s extended the reach into his business practices, which I believe is what he fears most.
As far as privilege goes, my feeling is that concerns potential actions taken or attempted, once in office. We’ve heard some about Trump and McGahn clashing over issues. We know McGahn resigned and spoke with Mueller at length. Those conversations are what may be among the things they want to cover under privilege.
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@Once-Ler
@sneakypete
McLunatic could have been your brother.
You and @Right_in_Virginia have a psycho-analysis talent in common.
He PRETENDED to be a Republican because that was what he needed to do to get elected,but he was a life-long weasel who never cared a thing about anyone or anything other than himself.
Frankly,I am shocked you don't love him.
You seem desperate to have me defend McCain so here goes...I like how McCain didn't have bone spurs. Happy? happy77
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This is the President's all too human reaction to the sworn testimony ... which puts beyond speculation what a complete and unrelenting slime ball McCain was in life. McCain's pure, unadulterated jealousy that Donald Trump won the office he coveted helped put this entire country through hell for more than two years. McCain knew the dossier wasn't true, he could have tried to stop it for the good of the country ... but instead this lowlife gave it to everyone, including the press.
McCain's pure, unadulterated hatred also left Obamacare on the table --- even though McCain campaigned on the promise to end it. This makes him a liar who again proved his life was not about "country first", but personal vengeance and malicious gratification. Let's not forget the Keating Five, Campaign Finance Reform and his support of ISIS in Syria.
And remember also McCain's very last act on this earth was one of vengeance --- A funeral his position did not justify punctuated with hate from the grave for the man who won the office he so deservedly lost.
McCain didn't stop his attacks after death. Others returning the favor is the karma McCain, himself, has earned.
@Right_in_Virginia
If Trump’s tweets are an all too human reaction, those of McCain’s widow and daughter must be even more so.
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@Victoria33
Unfortunately, as you cam see from this thread, there are plenty of voters who would vote for Trump again in 2020, no matter what he says or does (or, in the case of his promises, doesn't do).
Seriously? You need to get a grip. Because President Trump defends himself from a traitor who worked diligently, despicably, and with malice you see that as offensive? Quite frankly I see McCain as offensive; he maybe dead but the ramifications of the negative things that he did surrounding the election and as a U.S. Senator are still continuing.
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Seriously? You need to get a grip. Because President Trump defends himself from a traitor who worked diligently, despicably, and with malice you see that as offensive? Quite frankly I see McCain as offensive; he maybe dead but the ramifications of the negative things that he did surrounding the election and as a U.S. Senator are still continuing.
@libertybele
Who needs to get a grip? You admit the President is defending himself from a dead man. *bouche*
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Seriously? You need to get a grip. Because President Trump defends himself from a traitor who worked diligently, despicably, and with malice you see that as offensive? Quite frankly I see McCain as offensive; he maybe dead but the ramifications of the negative things that he did surrounding the election and as a U.S. Senator are still continuing.
McCain's actions apparently had no effect on the 2016 election since Trump still won.
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@libertybele
Who needs to get a grip? You admit the President is defending himself from a dead man. *bouche*
:thumbsup:
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@libertybele
Who needs to get a grip? You admit the President is defending himself from a dead man. *bouche*
Not what I said at all; he's defending himself from the ramifications of what the s.o.b. did. The result of what McCain did to Trump is still being reported and Trump is reacting and rightfully so. The negative influence and affect he had on America and the GOP will be felt for a very long time regardless of the fact that he's six feet under.
I knew that there was little difference in voting for McCain or Bammy; the only difference was that one would destruct this country quicker than the other. So I voted for neither. I was absolutely correct!
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McCain's actions apparently had no effect on the 2016 election since Trump still won.
That’s a foolish conclusion to make. Imagine how successful he would have been if the election of Trump had been met with acceptance instead of resistance (from party republicans – never mind the democrats!).
And yet, despite being hamstrung by a fraudulent special counsel investigation and opposition from some in his own party (name McCain ring a bell?), Trump still managed to accomplish some good, conservative things.
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Not what I said at all; he's defending himself from the ramifications of what the s.o.b. did. The result of what McCain did to Trump is still being reported and Trump is reacting and rightfully so. The negative influence and affect he had on America and the GOP will be felt for a very long time regardless of the fact that he's six feet under.
I knew that there was little difference in voting for McCain or Bammy; the only difference was that one would destruct this country quicker than the other. So I voted for neither. I was absolutely correct!
You’re pretending like there aren’t things unrelated to the dossier that would still warrant a probe. Just ask the man who was put in charge of investigating the potential FISA abuses. Trump has engaged in questionable business practices, shady financing, and surrounded himself with criminals. He’s either corrupt or the unluckiest mofo on Earth.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The memo has no impact on the Russia probe?
REP. GOWDY: No-- not to me, it doesn't -- and I was pretty integrally involved in the drafting of it. There is a Russia investigation without a dossier. So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice. So there's going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/05/gowdy_there_is_a_russia_investigation_without_a_dossier.html# (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/05/gowdy_there_is_a_russia_investigation_without_a_dossier.html#)!
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McCain's actions apparently had no effect on the 2016 election since Trump still won.
???? So that makes what he did o.k.?? Really??? Last time I checked the witch hunt against Trump is still going on. Last time I checked McCain's vote against repeal of Bammycare still has an impact. In 2013 he voted against the completion of a border fence; that impact is still being felt .... the list continues. Not only was he a RINO, but I seem his as a liar and a traitor!
Quite frankly, IMHO, America is in a better place without him sitting in the Senate.
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You’re pretending like there aren’t things unrelated to the dossier that would still warrant a probe. Just ask the man who was put in charge of investigating the potential FISA abuses. Trump has engaged in questionable business practices, shady financing, and surrounded himself with criminals. He’s either corrupt or the unluckiest mofo on Earth.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The memo has no impact on the Russia probe?
REP. GOWDY: No-- not to me, it doesn't -- and I was pretty integrally involved in the drafting of it. There is a Russia investigation without a dossier. So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice. So there's going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/05/gowdy_there_is_a_russia_investigation_without_a_dossier.html# (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/05/gowdy_there_is_a_russia_investigation_without_a_dossier.html#)!
No, I'm definitely not pretending at all. McCain tried to influence and impact this election. McCain is a liar and a traitor; his negative Senate record speaks for itself. As for his military record; that's a whole other issue. Stories that the media and gov't tell are far different than those who served during his time in Vietnam. I believe them over the media and the gov't any day. He was no hero. No, definitely not pretending.
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No, I'm definitely not pretending at all. McCain tried to influence and impact this election. McCain is a liar and a traitor; his negative Senate record speaks for itself. As for his military record; that's a whole other issue. Stories that the media and gov't tell are far different than those who served during his time in Vietnam. I believe them over the media and the gov't any day. He was no hero. No, definitely not pretending.
The dossier wasn’t publicly known until just before the inauguration. The election was long over. How did it impact the election, especially when the FBI already had their own investigation underway?
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You’re pretending like there aren’t things unrelated to the dossier that would still warrant a probe. Just ask the man who was put in charge of investigating the potential FISA abuses. Trump has engaged in questionable business practices, shady financing, and surrounded himself with criminals. He’s either corrupt or the unluckiest mofo on Earth.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The memo has no impact on the Russia probe?
REP. GOWDY: No-- not to me, it doesn't -- and I was pretty integrally involved in the drafting of it. There is a Russia investigation without a dossier. So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice. So there's going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/05/gowdy_there_is_a_russia_investigation_without_a_dossier.html# (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/05/gowdy_there_is_a_russia_investigation_without_a_dossier.html#)!
You're pretending there would have been a probe without the dossier. Not so!
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You're pretending there would have been a probe without the dossier. Not so!
Of course there would. What do you think the House is doing now? They have multiple ones going. You’re confusing a probe with a special counsel. There was no special counsel to investigate Benghazi, Fast and Furious, the IRS scandal, or the Clinton emails, but there were probes.
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The dossier wasn’t publicly known until just before the inauguration. The election was long over. How did it impact the election, especially when the FBI already had their own investigation underway?
David Corn reported on the dossier's existence, conveniently, one week before the election. Since Hillary was widely believed to be a sho-in I'm sure this was considered a redundant measure.
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Seriously? You need to get a grip. Because President Trump defends himself from a traitor who worked diligently, despicably, and with malice you see that as offensive? Quite frankly I see McCain as offensive; he maybe dead but the ramifications of the negative things that he did surrounding the election and as a U.S. Senator are still continuing.
I considered McCain a stain on AZ long before he croaked. He's always been a vindictive little bitch.
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I considered McCain a stain on AZ long before he croaked. He's always been a vindictive little SON OF A bitch.
Not only was he a stain on AZ but he was a stain on the whole country.
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???? So that makes what he did o.k.?? Really??? Last time I checked the witch hunt against Trump is still going on.
Witch Hunt? You sound like the unhinged and senile President, and I know you are not unhinged or senile. What makes McCain's vote against repeal of Bammycare, his vote against the completion of a border fence, his being a lying RINO traitor, different from the man who won the GOP Presidential nomination in 2008, and won re-election in border state AZ in 2016? I dunno.
I don't know lots of stuff, but I do know from reading many of your posts that you are a good person and I hope my admiration for your ability to defend your opinion has been consistent in our conversations. If that wasn't clear let me point to the number of posts we have shared. It's a lot. Widely considered to be the mostest in terms of mostness by @Once-Ler fans.
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David Corn reported on the dossier's existence, conveniently, one week before the election. Since Hillary was widely believed to be a sho-in I'm sure this was considered a redundant measure.
Nobody GAF about it, because it was lost in the noise of Comey saying new Clinton emails had been found a couple days prior. There was a mad scramble to figure out what they were. That was a citadel hit on her already creaky battleship. Even Trump was praising Comey at that time.
“It took guts for Director Comey to make the move that he made in light of the kind of opposition he had where they’re trying to protect her from criminal prosecution,†he said on Oct. 31. “You know that. It took a lot of guts.â€
“I was not his fan,†he added, “but I’ll tell you what: What he did, he brought back his reputation. He brought it back.â€
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-praised-comey-clinton-email
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???? So that makes what he did o.k.?? Really??? Last time I checked the witch hunt against Trump is still going on. Last time I checked McCain's vote against repeal of Bammycare still has an impact. In 2013 he voted against the completion of a border fence; that impact is still being felt .... the list continues. Not only was he a RINO, but I seem his as a liar and a traitor!
Quite frankly, IMHO, America is in a better place without him sitting in the Senate.
Never said McCain's alleged actions were ok. That is not the issue. The issue here is going on and on about it after the guy is dead.
And as for Obamacare -- which really does not relate to any role McCain played in the Steele dossier matter -- Congress could have tried to repeal after the infamous no vote from McCain. They even had time after McCain died to try again before the November election (McCain died in August 2018). So why didn't they? If I remember right, McConnell said something about giving up. If Trump really cared about repealing Obamacare, he should have been chewing McConnell a new one and forcing both houses of congress to try again. Doesn't look like he did that.
If you are still angry about Obamacare, you should be directing your wrath toward those still living -- Trump and the Repubican majority in both houses of congress -- for not accomplishing Obamacare repeal and fulfilling the other promises they made. Railing agsainst a dead man doed not accomplish anything. It only deflects from the failure of Trump and the Republicans to keep their promises.
Oh and about the so-called witch hunt: I expect the various investigations going on now would still be going on regardless of whether McCain turned over the dossier.
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Never said McCain's alleged actions were ok. That is not the issue. The issue here is going on and on about it after the guy is dead.
And as for Obamacare -- which really does not relate to any role McCain played in the Steele dossier matter -- Congress could have tried to repeal after the infamous no vote from McCain. They even had time after McCain died to try again before the November election (McCain died in August 2018). So why didn't they? If I remember right, McConnell said something about giving up. If Trump really cared about repealing Obamacare, he should have been chewing McConnell a new one and forcing both houses of congress to try again. Doesn't look like he did that.
If you are still angry about Obamacare, you should be directing your wrath toward those still living -- Trump and the Repubican majority in both houses of congress -- for not accomplishing Obamacare repeal and fulfilling the other promises they made. Railing agsainst a dead man doed not accomplish anything. It only deflects from the failure of Trump and the Republicans to keep their promises.
Oh and about the so-called witch hunt: I expect the various investigations going on now would still be going on regardless of whether McCain turned over the dossier.
The 'issue' surrounding what John McCain did with the dossier is still on going; therefore dead or not, he's fair game. The 'issues' surrounding what he did to this country are going going and will be for a long time; therefore dead or not, he's fair game.
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Nobody GAF about it, because it was lost in the noise of Comey saying new Clinton emails had been found a couple days prior. There was a mad scramble to figure out what they were. That was a citadel hit on her already creaky battleship. Even Trump was praising Comey at that time.
“It took guts for Director Comey to make the move that he made in light of the kind of opposition he had where they’re trying to protect her from criminal prosecution,†he said on Oct. 31. “You know that. It took a lot of guts.â€
“I was not his fan,†he added, “but I’ll tell you what: What he did, he brought back his reputation. He brought it back.â€
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-praised-comey-clinton-email
Fact is the dossier was publicly known before the election. I had heard about it.
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The 'issue' surrounding what John McCain did with the dossier is still on going; therefore dead or not, he's fair game. The 'issues' surrounding what he did to this country are going going and will be for a long time; therefore dead or not, he's fair game.
Well, if there are ongoing ramifications, I still don't see how beating up on McCain is going to help. Seems to me if there are problems, the right thing to do is deal with those problems, not going around whining about a dead man.
Actually, I believe the more Trump and his followers complain about the so-called "witch hunt," the more incentive there is for those investigating Trump to dig deeper. It looks to me like Trump is nervous because he has something to hide. Prosecutors and investigators are now more curious than ever to find out just what he is hiding. It's like his complaints about SNL, CNN and even that Conway guy. Just going to make things worse.
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Fact is the dossier was publicly known before the election. I had heard about it.
As Kellyanne might say, the alternative fact was it had no impact and nobody really cared about it, until Buzzfeed printed it in early 2017.
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Well, if there are ongoing ramifications, I still don't see how beating up on McCain is going to help. Seems to me if there are problems, the right thing to do is deal with those problems, not going around whining about a dead man.
Actually, I believe the more Trump and his followers complain about the so-called "witch hunt," the more incentive there is for those investigating Trump to dig deeper. It looks to me like Trump is nervous because he has something to hide. Prosecutors and investigators are now more curious than ever to find out just what he is hiding. It's like his complaints about SNL, CNN and even that Conway guy. Just going to make things worse.
There is talk about McCain because it came out in recently released transcripts. Those transcripts are damning to the whole dossier narrative. And we're not supposed to talk about it because its poor form? Sorry that won't fly.
Regarding the 'witch hunt' rap, you are drawing an opposite conclusion to most people, apparently. A USA Today/Suffolk University survey says a majority, who just a few months ago were willing to give Mueller credit, now agree with Trump and his supporters that it is indeed a 'witch hunt'.
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McCain?
Probably the most wasted vote I ever cast...
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The songbird will never rest.
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Who is this guy, McCain?
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The problem is not just Trump. If the news media reported the truth, Trump would not feel it necessary to communicate via his tweets. The news media with their intentional fake news is the catalyst that prompts Trump to respond.
However, on McCain and Conway's husband, these people just are not worth mentioning. There are more important issues to address.
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Interesting insight (from Twitter):
Jack Posobiec Verified account @JackPosobiec
7h7 hours ago
I’ve never told this story before but I was deployed to Guantanamo Bay when McCain came down in 2013 and was asked to give him a briefing as part of his review
For obvious reasons I cannot dicuss the content of the briefing as it was a national security matter But I can discuss McCain’s demeanor.
He constantly interrupted everyone in the meeting with questions that had nothing to do with what we were talking about. Which was an active threat to national security.
Instead he acted like he wasn’t paying attention and started firing off random questions. At one point he accused me of violating the rights of the detainees for not allowing them to stand trial. Mind you I was an E5 at the time I had nothing to do with that. The JAG saved me.
Then instead of asking any follow-ups, he decided to berate the Admiral and Captain in the room (CO of JTF-GTMO and the J2). He started raising his voice at them, insulting them personally, and kept reminding them they “hadn’t served like he served.†All of this was unprompted.
His rant went on nearly 10 mins long. All while I was at modified parade rest in the front of the brief not knowing what the frak was going on. In the end, Feinstein and McDonough calmed him down and they ended up being very polite. I sat down at the end.
After all his screaming, and cursing, the delegation left the room and we all looked at each other not really sure just what had happened. He got home and his staff issued a prewritten press release that had nothing to do with anything discussed or that took place on the trip.
I’m told he was like that to just about everyone in private. He didn’t care about us, he cared about John McCain.
He went on to serve in the US Senate another 5 years. I’m glad I voted for my own dad in 2008.
/End
1:40 AM - 21 Mar 2019
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Interesting insight (from Twitter):
Sounds just like something the POS would do.
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The Washington Times ›
Republicans tell Trump he's embarrassing himself in McCain feud
March 20, 2019
President Trump complained Wednesday that he was never thanked for allowing Sen. John McCain’s funeral celebration, escalating a feud with the McCain family and drawing the ire of senators on Capitol Hill who told the president he was embarrassing himself.
Mr. Trump, during a speech to workers at an Army tank plant in Ohio, took a detour in his remarks to blame the press for picking at years of scar tissue between the two men which has lasted even beyond McCain’s death in August.
The president said he has “certain reasons†for disliking the former senator, including his votes to sink an Obamacare-repeal bill and his role in helping ensure the salacious anti-Trump dossier compiled by Christopher Steele made its way to the FBI in 2016.
But Mr. Trump added new complaints, too, saying he didn’t get the appreciation he deserved after the week-long commemoration of McCain last summer.
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https://www.outline.com/rfkZAp (https://www.outline.com/rfkZAp)
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Sounds just like something the POS would do.
Even members of the press I talked to back in '01 related very similar stories. Said he was the biggest A-hole in politics.
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Looks like someone is thinking!
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He is. The guy is dead. Its a personality problem with Trump. He can't let things go. Just like Sessions. Its very immature and signals a mental health issue.
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I'm puzzled by the notion that no one may speak ill of the dead. We don't have any problem speaking ill of people like Manson, Hitler, Whitey Bulger, et al., do we? McCain may not have been a mass murderer, but he still was a piece of crap.
My only objection to Trump criticizing him is that it's a waste of time. Please, el presidente, do something more important with your time.
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I'm puzzled by the notion that no one may speak ill of the dead. We don't have any problem speaking ill of people like Manson, Hitler, Whitey Bulger, et al., to we? McCain may not have been a mass murderer, but he still was a piece of crap.
My only objection to Trump criticizing him is that it's a waste of time. Please, el presidente, do something more important with your time.
That about sizes it up for me. My displeasure with McCain is the stuff of legends.
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I'm puzzled by the notion that no one may speak ill of the dead. We don't have any problem speaking ill of people like Manson, Hitler, Whitey Bulger, et al., do we? McCain may not have been a mass murderer, but he still was a piece of crap.
My only objection to Trump criticizing him is that it's a waste of time. Please, el presidente, do something more important with your time.
Yep. It gives the media an opportunity to take a throw away comment and make it sound like Queeg-like strawberry obsession.
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I'm puzzled by the notion that no one may speak ill of the dead. We don't have any problem speaking ill of people like Manson, Hitler, Whitey Bulger, et al., to we? McCain may not have been a mass murderer, but he still was a piece of crap.
My only objection to Trump criticizing him is that it's a waste of time. Please, el presidente, do something more important with your time.
Thing is, most people don't keep bringing up Manson, et al. all the time. We acknowledge they are evil, but if we believe in God and the afterlife, we believe that these people have been or will be judged by a higher power and be punished for their sins. There is no need to harp about them after they are gone.
Whatever sins McCain committed -- they don't even come close to those of mass murderers like Hitler or Manson. And in the case of McCain, he left behind a family and friends who loved him. Constantly whining about a dead man hurts those he left behind. Yes, I know his family isn't wonderful either, but they are his family and a civilized society recognozes that and does not do or say anything to hurt them.
I do agree that it is a waste of time and effort for Trump to rehash his emnity for McCain. Unlike doing constructive things with his time like fulfilling his campaign promises, his vitriol against McCain serves no useful purpose other than entertaining and engaging his fans.
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I'm puzzled by the notion that no one may speak ill of the dead. We don't have any problem speaking ill of people like Manson, Hitler, Whitey Bulger, et al., do we? McCain may not have been a mass murderer, but he still was a piece of crap.
My only objection to Trump criticizing him is that it's a waste of time. Please, el presidente, do something more important with your time.
You’re absolutely correct. But these latest comments of the president’s are responses to the media asking about his previously stated position and remarks about McCain. And you know Trump, he never shies away from an opportunity to make his point – even if his point is considered toxic by the democratic activist media. If he thinks he’s right about something, he’s going to say so.
By the way, the democrat media attacked McCain unmercifully when he ran against The One. So, these shouts of outrage now ring mighty hollow.
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Thing is, most people don't keep bringing up Manson, et al. all the time. We acknowledge they are evil, but if we believe in God and the afterlife, we believe that these people have been or will be judged by a higher power and be punished for their sins. There is no need to harp about them after they are gone.
Whatever sins McCain committed -- they don't even come close to those of mass murderers like Hitler or Manson. And in the case of McCain, he left behind a family and friends who loved him. Constantly whining about a dead man hurts those he left behind. Yes, I know his family isn't wonderful either, but they are his family and a civilized society recognozes that and does not do or say anything to hurt them.
I do agree that it is a waste of time and effort for Trump to rehash his emnity for McCain. Unlike doing constructive things with his time like fulfilling his campaign promises, his vitriol against McCain serves no useful purpose other than entertaining and engaging his fans.
@Applewood
I don't think you know what you are talking about here. Just because things don't happen in your little circle doesn't mean they don't happen at all. People talk about all sorts of things that you personally may not be privy to. Continuing to talk about McCain in the realm of politics is both appropriate and necessary IMHO.
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Obviously he's not if Republicans are getting so butthurt over it.
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I'm puzzled by the notion that no one may speak ill of the dead. We don't have any problem speaking ill of people like Manson, Hitler, Whitey Bulger, et al., do we? McCain may not have been a mass murderer, but he still was a piece of crap.
My only objection to Trump criticizing him is that it's a waste of time. Please, el presidente, do something more important with your time.
It’s a waste of time, inaccurate, and gratuitous. When the dossier was passed to the FBI by McCain, they already had it. Plus, they already had an active counter-intel investigation open. Nothing he did triggered the previous or current investigations. As far as repeal and replace goes, guess who else was against it - the House Freedom Caucus. Trump threatened to primary them in 2018, due to their opposition.
It was a brainchild of the establishment, pushed by McConnell and Ryan. We’re now supposed to believe it would have been better? Plus, the individual mandate was removed when the tax cuts were passed. Trump told us Obamacare was dead, due to that. So, again, McCain failed, according to Trump, to keep Obamacare alive. He really needs to get his story straight.
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@Applewood
I don't think you know what you are talking about here. Just because things don't happen in your little circle doesn't mean they don't happen at all. People talk about all sorts of things that you personally may not be privy to. Continuing to talk about McCain in the realm of politics is both appropriate and necessary IMHO.
Then I guess your circle must lead boring lives if all you talk about is Trump and his latest excuse for his failures.
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I have been a Trump loyalist, but he is his own worst enemy. McCain's involvement in the dossier makes no difference to those above ground. The fact he was a maggot is known by most people. The lying hypocrites of this nation like Donna Brazile that now sing his praises, well, no one with intelligence listens to that bimbo.
Trump is losing my support because he is indicating he wants to up the numbers of folks coming to the USA via H1-b Visas. He promised to eliminate this program Day 1 of his presidency. Trump's two primary planks, which got America's staunch support were ending the illegal alien invasion and making America great again, largely for jobs. Both issues are tied together, for both mean more jobs for Americans. Now he is abandoning that with his position of wanting more low cost foreign labor. He sticks to this bullsh*t position, he loses my vote and everyone else I can influence.
A Republican that wants to make a serious run at Trump would be well advised to pick the positions Trump held in 2016 and carry them forward promising to deliver, unlike Trump. They might just beat him in the primary. Americans have been betrayed by politicians for decades, and they hunger for representation.
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Then I guess your circle must lead boring lives if all you talk about is Trump and his latest excuse for his failures.
I'm pretty sure you either didn't read or failed to comprehend what I said.
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I have been a Trump loyalist, but he is his own worst enemy. McCain's involvement in the dossier makes no difference to those above ground. The fact he was a maggot is known by most people. The lying hypocrites of this nation like Donna Brazile that now sing his praises, well, no one with intelligence listens to that bimbo.
Trump is losing my support because he is indicating he wants to up the numbers of folks coming to the USA via H1-b Visas. He promised to eliminate this program Day 1 of his presidency. Trump's two primary planks, which got America's staunch support were ending the illegal alien invasion and making America great again, largely for jobs. Both issues are tied together, for both mean more jobs for Americans. Now he is abandoning that with his position of wanting more low cost foreign labor. He sticks to this bullsh*t position, he loses my vote and everyone else I can influence.
A Republican that wants to make a serious run at Trump would be well advised to pick the positions Trump held in 2016 and carry them forward promising to deliver, unlike Trump. They might just beat him in the primary. Americans have been betrayed by politicians for decades, and they hunger for representation.
He said he wanted to eliminate all H1-Bs? I find that hard to believe, because we relied heavily on H1-B people when I worked in R&D at a Semiconductor chipmaker (not enough PhD level Electrical Engineers available). If he did say it, I knew better than to believe it which would be why I don't recall it....
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He said he wanted to eliminate all H1-Bs? I find that hard to believe, because we relied heavily on H1-B people when I worked in R&D at a Semiconductor chipmaker (not enough PhD level Electrical Engineers available). If he did say it, I knew better than to believe it which would be why I don't recall it....
Donald Trump vows to end H1-B visa program in GOP debate
“I know the H1-B very well. We shouldn’t have it, it’s very, very bad for workers,†Mr. Trump said during the Republican debate at Miami University. He added as an employer, he’s used the program, but in reality it doesn’t benefit U.S. workers.
“It’s unfair to our workers and we should end it,†Mr. Trump said, saying the program should be evaluated and ended if needed within one to two years after he takes office.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/10/donald-trump-vows-to-end-h1-b-visa-program-in-wash/
But, as you say, you didn’t believe it. He’s unreliable, at best, and that’s always been my issue with him.
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Donald Trump vows to end H1-B visa program in GOP debate
“I know the H1-B very well. We shouldn’t have it, it’s very, very bad for workers,†Mr. Trump said during the Republican debate at Miami University. He added as an employer, he’s used the program, but in reality it doesn’t benefit U.S. workers.
“It’s unfair to our workers and we should end it,†Mr. Trump said, saying the program should be evaluated and ended if needed within one to two years after he takes office.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/10/donald-trump-vows-to-end-h1-b-visa-program-in-wash/
But, as you say, you didn’t believe it. He’s unreliable, at best, and that’s always been my issue with him.
As a 40+ year spectator of politics I've learned to tell the difference between policy positions and red meat. Trump is no different in this regard. :shrug:
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As a 40+ year spectator of politics I've learned to tell the difference between policy positions and red meat. Trump is no different in this regard. :shrug:
Understood, but a lot of people pulled the lever for him, because they’re on the political Atkins diet.
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Understood, but a lot of people pulled the lever for him, because they’re on the political Atkins diet.
Or they just didn't want Hillary Clinton back in the White House.
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Or they just didn't want Hillary Clinton back in the White House.
That "inspired" a lot of voters on the way into the voting booth. The Rats are exhibiting even worse candidates this time, even Bite-Me" is looking bad. He called Trump supporters the "Dregs of the Earth."
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The article only mentions three Republicans that I could see with a skim of the story: Lindsey Graham, loser John Kasich and some GA State Senator. Definitely Trouble for President Trump.
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The article only mentions three Republicans that I could see with a skim of the story: Lindsey Graham, loser John Kasich and some GA State Senator. Definitely Trouble for President Trump.
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Yeah, only three GOPers? Not exactly a consensus. I wouldn't worry about it. McCain stabbed every single GOPer and Conservative in the back when he 'thumbs downed' the ObamaCare repeal... after running for office on repealing it. He lied, he cheated, he betrayed. Eff him and anyone that doesn't acknowledge that fact. And beware of Little Lindsey, too.
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The article only mentions three Republicans that I could see with a skim of the story: Lindsey Graham, loser John Kasich and some GA State Senator. Definitely Trouble for President Trump.
*****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes*****
Funny, everyone keeps telling Trump the way he’s doing things is all wrong.
But I don’t see everyone wildly successful in three separate fields like Donald Trump: property development, entertainment, and U.S. President.
Everyone should get back to us when they’ve achieved something really big, once.
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Funny, everyone keeps telling Trump the way he’s doing things is all wrong.
But I don’t see everyone wildly successful in three separate fields like Donald Trump: property development, entertainment, and U.S. President.
Everyone should get back to us when they’ve achieved something really big, once.
Oh, who gives a shit.
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Oh, who gives a shit.
Obviously, not you. :beer:
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McCain may not have been a mass murderer, but he still was a piece of crap.
@mountaineer
MAYBE not directly,but you can bet the farm some of the information he released helped people who WERE directly responsible for mass murders commit them by identifying their targets.
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Thing is, most people don't keep bringing up Manson, et al. all the time.
If people didn't keep defending McLunatic against the indefensible all the time,there would be no reason to mention him,either.
Jim Jones was a religious figure who had followers that remind me of McLunatics followers,they loved him to death,and were even willing to commit suicide to please him. You going to defend that,too? If not,why not?
Whatever sins McCain committed -- they don't even come close to those of mass murderers like Hitler or Manson.
BullBush! McLunatic was a serving officer in time of war that gave aid and comfort to our enemy. That means he was a traitor. How does it feel to identify yourself with a traitor?
And in the case of McCain, he left behind a family and friends who loved him.
Big freaking deal. He left a daughter who loved him. His junkie wife was just collecting a trophy and probably has to be reminded he is dead.
BTW,Jack the Ripper and Blackbeard most likely left behind families that loved them,too. Does that mean they weren't evil or that we shouldn't expose them for what they were?
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Then I guess your circle must lead boring lives if all you talk about is Trump and his latest excuse for his failures.
@Applewood
Good to see you come out of the closet and admit defending McLunatic is based on your hatred of Trump.
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@mountaineer
MAYBE not directly,but you can bet the farm some of the information he released helped people who WERE directly responsible for mass murders commit them by identifying their targets.
Buddy, I love ya! And if there was any Briefer here that might be able to endure Viet Kong torture...que the Russian Roulette scene from Deer Hunter...it's you!
But, I'm not going to fault John McCain for anything related to Viet Nam. Absolvotae!
IMO, in a sick way, John McCain could end up being the dead end of it all.
Hillary: "I had no idea what John McCain was up to, feeding our campaign intelligence papers to the media and my goodness, even the FBI!!"
Let's be honest here. Nothing is too outrageous to imagine when it comes to the Clinton machine still entrenched in the agencies today.
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Buddy, I love ya! And if there was any Briefer here that might be able to endure Viet Kong torture...que the Russian Roulette scene from Deer Hunter...it's you!
@DCPatriot
Then you have more faith in me than I have in myself. NOBODY,including me,can claim they wouldn't have done the same as McLunatic if put in that position EXCEPT for his fellow POW's who didn't and suffered for it. THEY are the real heroes,and the truth is I have no reason to believe I could have matched up to them. I can HOPE I would have,but we will never know,will we?
But, I'm not going to fault John McCain for anything related to Viet Nam. Absolvotae!
I will,and am happy to do so. I only regret I never had an opportunity to get right up in his face about it.
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@sneakypete
BullBush! McLunatic was a serving officer in time of war that gave aid and comfort to our enemy. That means he was a traitor. How does it feel to identify yourself with a traitor?
That claim is disputed in several sources, including this one:
Despite the recent accusations that he was a collaborator, most of the evidence suggests that McCain's cooperation with the North Vietnamese was very limited, which likely resulted in considerable additional hardship for him. Although McCain has himself admitted to signing some statements which were apparently never used as actual propaganda and to participating in the recording of a propaganda tape, indications are that he was not sufficiently forthcoming in these statements and that the North Vietnamese propaganda ministry found him troublesome and unhelpful, limiting his participation to general and ambiguous statements.
http://www.fontcraft.com/rod/did-john-mccain-collaborate-with-the-enemy/ (http://www.fontcraft.com/rod/did-john-mccain-collaborate-with-the-enemy/)
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@Applewood
Good to see you come out of the closet and admit defending McLunatic is based on your hatred of Trump.
Good to see you and so many other Trump fans adopt the rhetoric used by Obama fans against those who did not support him. The only thing missing from your accusation is that I'm also a racist and only because racism in this case doesn't apply.
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I saw a tweet earlier, you know, his funeral was sort of a Trump bash-a-thon. That said, I'd just let this go and that will probably happen. I can understand being dissatisfied with someone.
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Trump fans launch all-out attack on ex-Navy SEAL GOP lawmaker for defending McCain: ‘You’ll be a one-term wonder’
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/trumps-base-attacks-republican-ex-navy-seal-congress-defending-john-mccain-youll-one-term-wonder/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/trumps-base-attacks-republican-ex-navy-seal-congress-defending-john-mccain-youll-one-term-wonder/)
Retired Navy Lieutenant Commander Dan Crenshaw — who now serves as a Republican congressman — defended former Navy Captain John McCain on Thursday. Supporters of President Donald Trump quickly suffered an online meltdown.
Crenshaw is a former Navy SEAL who earned two Bronze Stars and a purple heart for his service in Afghanistan, where he lost his right eye from an improvised explosive device explosion. He was subsequently elected to represent Texas in Congress in the 2018 midterm elections.
“Mr. President, seriously stop talking about Senator McCain,†Crenshaw suggested.
This did not go over well with some of Trump’s most fervent supporters.
Here is some of the criticism Crenshaw received from Trump’s “Make America Great Again†base:
More at link.
Trump is flogging a dead senator and losing. :silly:
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Trump fans launch all-out attack on ex-Navy SEAL GOP lawmaker for defending McCain: ‘You’ll be a one-term wonder’
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/trumps-base-attacks-republican-ex-navy-seal-congress-defending-john-mccain-youll-one-term-wonder/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/trumps-base-attacks-republican-ex-navy-seal-congress-defending-john-mccain-youll-one-term-wonder/)
More at link.
Trump is flogging a dead senator and losing. :silly:
@Once-Ler
Just a squid protecting the Navy while trying to advance his own political career. Means nothing beyond self-promotion.
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Trump fans launch all-out attack on ex-Navy SEAL GOP lawmaker for defending McCain: ‘You’ll be a one-term wonder’
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/trumps-base-attacks-republican-ex-navy-seal-congress-defending-john-mccain-youll-one-term-wonder/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/trumps-base-attacks-republican-ex-navy-seal-congress-defending-john-mccain-youll-one-term-wonder/)
More at link.
Trump is flogging a dead senator and losing. :silly:
True, you'd think McCain was up for re-election
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Trump fans launch all-out attack on ex-Navy SEAL GOP lawmaker for defending McCain: ‘You’ll be a one-term wonder’
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/trumps-base-attacks-republican-ex-navy-seal-congress-defending-john-mccain-youll-one-term-wonder/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/trumps-base-attacks-republican-ex-navy-seal-congress-defending-john-mccain-youll-one-term-wonder/)
More at link.
Trump is flogging a dead senator and losing. :silly:
I think Dan Crenshaw is a good man but he is just flat out wrong on this one!
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True, you'd think McCain was up for re-election
Well, I'm not voting for him. Fool me once ...