The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: TomSea on February 01, 2017, 08:37:30 pm
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2 GOP Senators Voting Against DeVos, Which Could Mean a Tie
Mike Pence would then be the tie-breaker
(Newser) – Betsy DeVos' confirmation vote in the Senate Wednesday will be tight: Two Republican senators announced Wednesday that they will oppose Devos' nomination to be secretary of Education. Assuming all of the Senate's 48 Democrats also oppose DeVos, that means she'd have 50 yes votes and 50 no votes if no other Republicans oppose her, with Vice President Mike Pence potentially breaking the tie, the Hill reports. Sen. Susan Collins of Maine was the first to announce on the Senate floor that she would vote against DeVos, making her the first Republican to oppose one of President Trump's cabinet nominees. Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska was the second to announce she would vote no.
Collins said it was a "very difficult decision," but that she was "troubled and surprised" by DeVos' lack of familiarity with the Individuals With Disabilities Education Act. Murkowski said she had "serious concerns" about DeVos, and that "thousands, truly thousands" of her constituents had called her expressing their own concerns. ...
Continued: http://www.newser.com/story/237750/betsy-devos-facing-tight-confirmation-vote.html
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Sen. Susan Collins of Maine
Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
I coulda guessed that one.
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I hear she is very pro-common core.
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Sen. Susan Collins of Maine
Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
I coulda guessed that one.
Repeat after me:
"We must re/elect any Republican no matter what. No matter how leftist their record. No matter how many times they side with democrats in the past. Because keeping liberals in office is the conservative thing to do. No matter what."
/Idiot Republican voter
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I hear she is very pro-common core.
I know Michele Malkin has concerns.
My main concern is that she's another establishment insider.
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Sen. Susan Collins of Maine
Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
I coulda guessed that one.
Yep. The GOP's weak sisters.
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Well, damn, if someone had told me I'd be agreeing with Collins and Murkowski on appointments, I'd have called them a liar.
Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut.
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RE: 2 GOP Senators Voting Against DeVos, Which Could Mean a Tie
That means Mike Pence gets to break the tie.
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Well, damn, if someone had told me I'd be agreeing with Collins and Murkowski on appointments, I'd have called them a liar.
Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut.
I didn't know we were supposed to be pro-establishment insider and pro-common core now.
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Idiots.
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Well, damn, if someone had told me I'd be agreeing with Collins and Murkowski on appointments, I'd have called them a liar.
Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut.
You're also in agreement with the NEA. They hate her too.
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TWo old Hens that do nothing but collect a check.
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Repeat after me:
"We must re/elect any Republican no matter what. No matter how leftist their record. No matter how many times they side with democrats in the past. Because keeping liberals in office is the conservative thing to do. No matter what."
/Idiot Republican voter
So you think that a Dem in her seat would have magically voted for DeVos?
Wow.
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I hear she is very pro-common core.
You are pro NEA and Teachers Unions. What's your point.
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I didn't know we were supposed to be pro-establishment insider and pro-common core now.
Looks like the GOP finally got what they admired most about the democrats, a blindly obedient base that doesn't trouble themselves with any of that pesky thinking crap.
You should have seen the rage I inspired on twitter this morning when I asked if anyone knows where Neil Gorsuch stands on things like federalism, campaign finance or eminent domain. I didn't get any answers but I was accused of being a traitor among other things. :silly:
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So you think that a Dem in her seat would have magically voted for DeVos?
Wow.
What would the difference be on this particular vote? Same result. The difference OVERALL would be that the GOP, sans those two liberals, would be a better entity for their absence. Better an enemy in their own camp. Unless you believe Hamilton was a fool that didn't know what he was talking about.
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You are pro NEA and Teachers Unions. What's your point.
I'm not. I oppose public education, period.
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Sen. Susan Collins of Maine
Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
I coulda guessed that one.
The two said they 'doubted DeVos' commitment to public schools'.
And they think thats a bad thing.
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@Cripplecreek You are not a traitor. Shit stirrer. Obtuse. Trump hater. But not a traitor.
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What would the difference be on this particular vote? Same result. The difference OVERALL would be that the GOP, sans those two liberals, would be a better entity for their absence. Better an enemy in their own camp. Unless you believe Hamilton was a fool that didn't know what he was talking about.
On this vote.
There are many other votes on which I'm glad for their support.
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I'm not. I oppose public education, period.
Based on your posts, I can see why you have reason.
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You should have seen the rage I inspired on twitter this morning when I asked if anyone knows where Neil Gorsuch stands on things like federalism, campaign finance or eminent domain. I didn't get any answers but I was accused of being a traitor among other things. :silly:
how dare you want more information before giving someone a lifetime appointment to a very powerful position, don't you remember Jungle Book? When the snake sings "Trust In Me", you are supposed to be hypnotized and obey.
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@Cripplecreek You are not a traitor. Shit stirrer. Obtuse. Trump hater. But not a traitor.
Careful there. To way too many Trump supporters, anti-Trump is by definition traitorous.
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I'm not. I oppose public education, period.
Yeah, just send 'em all to religious schools. That's the ticket for avoiding ignorance.
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how dare you want more information before giving someone a lifetime appointment to a very powerful position, don't you remember Jungle Book? When the snake sings "Trust In Me", you are supposed to be hypnotized and obey.
I had pretty much the exact same concerns about John Roberts when he was being portrayed as the second coming of William Rehnquist.
He wasn't.
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On this vote.
There are many other votes on which I'm glad for their support.
And on balance, on many they were buried neck deep in the left and running over anyone in their way to the TV cameras to badmouth/slander/propagandize and anything else they could do to harm conservatives or a conservative policy/position.
They are a cancer in the body politic.
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Based on your posts, I can see why you have reason.
Ya beat me to the punch.
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Yeah, just send 'em all to religious schools. That's the ticket for avoiding ignorance.
As opposed to the leftist indoctrination now? Sounds good to me. Public schools educated every snowflake in America.
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Repeat after me:
"We must re/elect any Republican no matter what. No matter how leftist their record. No matter how many times they side with democrats in the past. Because keeping liberals in office is the conservative thing to do. No matter what."
/Idiot Republican voter
The fact of the matter is Norm - the vast majority of the country is to the Left of center.
They get the rulers they want and the oppression they are comfortable with.
You and I are a horrifying minority in the Constitutional/Liberty/Religious heritage department.
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As opposed to the leftist indoctrination now? Sounds good to me. Public schools educated every snowflake in America.
I've got my grandmother's high school civics textbook from the 1930s. Its a wonder we didn't become a socialist nation decades earlier than we did.
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I didn't know we were supposed to be pro-establishment insider and pro-common core now.
We are to be whatever Trump fashions himself and whomever and whatever HE wants.
That is the right all Dear Leaders expect of their subjects.
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The fact of the matter is Norm - the vast majority of the country is to the Left of center.
They get the rulers they want and the oppression they are comfortable with.
You and I are a horrifying minority in the Constitutional/Liberty/Religious heritage department.
Far more can be learned from this than an entire semester of civics education.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVh75ylAUXY
Unfortunately most Americans have developed a taste for Ism.
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Careful there. To way too many Trump supporters, anti-Trump is by definition traitorous.
I was just sticking up for him!
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Repeat after me:
"We must re/elect any Republican no matter what. No matter how leftist their record. No matter how many times they side with democrats in the past. Because keeping liberals in office is the conservative thing to do. No matter what."
/Idiot Republican voter
It's all about beating Hillary, doncha know?
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I had pretty much the exact same concerns about John Roberts when he was being portrayed as the second coming of William Rehnquist.
He wasn't.
and the betrayal is coming again, they'll moan and whine "nobody warned us!"
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I was just sticking up for him!
We're good. :thumbsup2:
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bad headline. there is not tie because the Constitution allows otherwise.
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RE: 2 GOP Senators Voting Against DeVos, Which Could Mean a Tie
That means Mike Pence gets to break the tie.
Only if Sessions is still there to vote. Could be a trick to get his confirmation.
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and the betrayal is coming again, they'll moan and whine "nobody warned us!"
Aren't we lucky to have you Geron. Consider us so "warned."
Thank you for your service.
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I was just sticking up for him!
I know. Some consider even that to be treason.
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I told you Idiots, you would regret your vote for 'spell it' m u r k o w s k I.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Joe_Miller_at_Carlson_Center%2C_Fairbanks%2C_Alaska_-_201010.jpg/220px-Joe_Miller_at_Carlson_Center%2C_Fairbanks%2C_Alaska_-_201010.jpg)
Sarah jumping in at the last minute couldn't even save him.
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I told you Idiots, you would regret your vote for 'spell it' m u r k o w s k I.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Joe_Miller_at_Carlson_Center%2C_Fairbanks%2C_Alaska_-_201010.jpg/220px-Joe_Miller_at_Carlson_Center%2C_Fairbanks%2C_Alaska_-_201010.jpg)
Sarah jumping in at the last minute couldn't even save him.
Didn't M U R K O W S K I win against M I L L E R or was that some other A L A S K A N election?
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The fact of the matter is Norm - the vast majority of the country is to the Left of center.
They get the rulers they want and the oppression they are comfortable with.
You and I are a horrifying minority in the Constitutional/Liberty/Religious heritage department.
Oh, Of that I am painfully aware.
I would however say that now, the vast majority of self professed 'conservatives' are left of center, much less the country. So be it. Actions have consequences and they will either learn from their mistakes or suffer because of them. I wish the rest of us were exempt from their actions though.
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Yes, Murkowski beat Miller as a write-in, it was very tight, he made some mistakes and Sarah or the Tea party couldn't save him, many suggest it was rigged against him by the 'big money, status quo' (Stevens of 'bridge to nowhere' fame) in Alaska and this was before they could smoke dope legally.
Besides Tennessee, I've always felt Alaska closest to Texas, politically, just my opinion @Frank Cannon , don't roast me.
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Yes, Murkowski beat Miller as a write-in, it was very tight, he made some mistakes and Sarah or the Tea party couldn't save him, many suggest it was rigged against him by the 'big money, status quo' (Stevens of 'bridge to nowhere' fame) in Alaska and this was before they could smoke dope legally.
Besides Tennessee, I've always felt Alaska closest to Texas, politically, just my opinion @Frank Cannon , don't roast me.
If you R E A D your post a certain way, it looks like you were R O A S T I N G folks who supported Miller. Lisa's write in was about as shady as it gets considering she was fully rejected in a Primary and M A G I C A L L Y won a General write in.
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(http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/writing-is-hard-gif.gif)
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It is really sad how liberal women are in the Senate.
2 of 5 GOP women Senators decide to go against core values of conservatism.
I know I will take flak, but women just do not generally make good conservatives in politics.
Of course there are exceptions, but really look at what has come across so far, and the % of women in Congress as a whole that have been conservative.
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If these two get weak-kneed when the court is in play, we've got a real problem on our hands.
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Looks like the GOP finally got what they admired most about the democrats, a blindly obedient base that doesn't trouble themselves with any of that pesky thinking crap.
You should have seen the rage I inspired on twitter this morning when I asked if anyone knows where Neil Gorsuch stands on things like federalism, campaign finance or eminent domain. I didn't get any answers but I was accused of being a traitor among other things. :silly:
I suspect most conservatives assumed that given who helped Trump compile the list, the almost universal praise for everyone on that list prior to the announcement, and the massive support Gorsuch has gotten from well-known constitutional conservatives like Cruz, that Gorsuch is an excellent choice. Sometimes, it's better to rely on the opinions of respected people who have a lot more knowledge than you do about a subject rather than to form your own opinions based on a weak understanding of the actual facts.
My point is the people objecting to you likely thought it was because you didn't like him because he was conservative, or simply because it was Trump who nominated him.
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Based on your posts, I can see why you have reason.
****drummer
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Yeah, just send 'em all to religious schools. That's the ticket for avoiding ignorance.
As opposed to the indoctrination to everything Liberal they get in public schools these days?
I'd rather my child go to a school run by a church and come out being able too read write and do math at a high level ...than end up a safe space needing snow flake with a public school diploma.
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I hear she is very pro-common core.
Link please.
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As opposed to the indoctrination to everything Liberal they get in public schools these days?
I'd rather my child go to a school run by a church and come out being able too read write and do math at a high level ...than end up a safe space needing snow flake with a public school diploma.
:beer: