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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/grover-norquist-only-6-republicans-203916983.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/grover-norquist-only-6-republicans-203916983.html)
GROVER NORQUIST: Here Are The Only 6 Republicans Who Can Win In 2016
Business Insider
By Brett LoGiurato March 8, 2014 3:41 PM
NATIONAL HARBOR, Md. — Grover Norquist, the influential conservative who serves as president of Americans for Tax Reform, thinks there are only six Republicans who can win the 2016 Republican nomination for president.
His list, which he told Business Insider in an approximately hour-long interview Friday at the Conservative Political Action Conference: New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul.
"There are only six people who can credibly run start-to-finish, and any of them could conceivably win the presidency," Norquist said.
"And the reason is, each of those people could raise the money to run campaign all the way through. Each of those people has some name ID."
Notably, the list leaves out two prominent CPAC speakers — Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz. Norquist and his group have been highly critical of Cruz in the past, especially in the lead-up to the federal government shutdown last September.
Norquist's list only includes one senator — Paul — because he has made "savvy" political moves and has more of a name recognition with the general public. In general, Norquist thinks governors have a better chance of running a successful campaign.
"With Rubio and Cruz, it's hard for them to raise significant amounts of money," Norquist said.
"And it's hard to make news, in general. You can make a speech. But you can't fire somebody. You can't sign a bill. You can't pass legislation. And by the way, if the Senate does something, Cruz and Rubio both voted for it. So who are you supposed to make president? And by the way, 50 other people voted for it, too!"
Norquist said he did not have a favorite among his six candidates. But he was especially impressed with Walker as a potential candidate. Walker, he said, is still gaining momentum after a "fantastic" 2012, when he became the first and only governor to ever stave off a recall.
"When Scott Walker wins re-election in November, it'll be the third time he's won an election in four years," Norquist said.
In the interview, Norquist also said Republicans have a "better than 50-50 chance" of re-taking control of the U.S. Senate. Republicans have seven prime pick-up opportunities — West Virginia, South Dakota, North Carolina, Louisiana, Montana, Arkansas, and Alaska. They only need to swing six seats to take back the Senate.
"They're all states Republicans win overwhelmingly at the presidential level and at a federal level," he said. "All states where we have or will have a solid candidate, and their candidates are carrying the boat anchor of Obamacare."
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Yeah Grover! RIGHT!
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That's a pretty good list. Rand Paul has been very shrewd in talking about growing the Republican Party; Cruz is more about kicking people out who aren't pure enough.
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Grover belongs on Sesame Street.
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Christie's already alienated too many republicans, and now too many non-aligned voters, to win and Jeb Bush is so thoroughly hobbled by GWB's legacy and issues of dynasty that he'd never win.
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That's a pretty good list. Rand Paul has been very shrewd in talking about growing the Republican Party; Cruz is more about kicking people out who aren't pure enough.
It is easy to grow the Republican party; just become more like the democrats. And, that is vaguely, though generally, what Paul is proposing in couched language. However, the bigger the tent becomes, the more the true Conservatives will either stay home or depart. Moreover, the true Conservatives are the ones who zealously work for the party in the precincts. If they are not enthused, you have 2012 revisited.
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It is easy to grow the Republican party; just become more like the democrats. And, that is vaguely, though generally, what Paul is proposing in couched language. However, the bigger the tent becomes, the more the true Conservatives will either stay home or depart. Moreover, the true Conservatives are the ones who zealously work for the party in the precincts. If they are not enthused, you have 2012 revisited.
demographics would disagree with you
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It is easy to grow the Republican party; just become more like the democrats. And, that is vaguely, though generally, what Paul is proposing in couched language. However, the bigger the tent becomes, the more the true Conservatives will either stay home or depart. Moreover, the true Conservatives are the ones who zealously work for the party in the precincts. If they are not enthused, you have 2012 revisited.
I completely disagree with you! The way to GROW the Republican party is to draw a CLEAR distinction between them and the Democrats by clearly stating, and adhering to, the principles laid out in the Constitution!
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I completely disagree with you! The way to GROW the Republican party is to draw a CLEAR distinction between them and the Democrats by clearly stating, and adhering to, the principles laid out in the Constitution!
Therein lies the rub, brother. Seeing politician and principles in the same sentence is jarring and somewhat unbelievable.
Perry, Walker - yep. They walk the walk.
Cruz - yep. But I want him right where he is: kicking the "go along to get along" senators into actually doing things.
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Therein lies the rub, brother. Seeing politician and principles in the same sentence is jarring and somewhat unbelievable.
Exactly! And it's time to change that!
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I completely disagree with you! The way to GROW the Republican party is to draw a CLEAR distinction between them and the Democrats by clearly stating, and adhering to, the principles laid out in the Constitution!
I wish that were true. I am afraid our society has become increasingly addicted to entitlements. Too many are making a living off of the government tit and their numbers are increasing.
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demographics would disagree with you
What demographics specifically are you referencing?
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I like Rick Perry.....the one that isn't under the influence of painkillers that mess with his memory. :laugh:
I love Rick Walker's accomplishments in Wisconsin. At this point, my advice to him would be to get a taster.
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The idea there is a big, untapped pool of very conservative voters to be tapped, if only the ideal true conservative candidate appears on the ballot is a wearisome trip into mythology.
Even if there were, they demand policies and positions which might push away 1 or 2, or more voters, for every one gained.
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The idea there is a big, untapped pool of very conservative voters to be tapped, if only the ideal true conservative candidate appears on the ballot is a wearisome trip into mythology.
Even if there were, they demand policies and positions which might push away 1 or 2, or more voters, for every one gained.
There are plenty of folks around who would LOVE to have us believe that and are doing their dead level best to sell it but I'm not about to buy it! Not one bit!
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I completely disagree with you! The way to GROW the Republican party is to draw a CLEAR distinction between them and the Democrats by clearly stating, and adhering to, the principles laid out in the Constitution!
At this point it simply comes down to numbers (assuming that the GOP takes the tack that you suggest, and I agree with). Are there still enough breathing, thinking, voting Americas that will respond to this message?? Or has the tide turned?? I don't know the answer to that. But I do know this, we can't wait any longer -- the numbers are not going to improve over time.
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At this point it simply comes down to numbers (assuming that the GOP takes the tack that you suggest, and I agree with). Are there still enough breathing, thinking, voting Americas that will respond to this message?? Or has the tide turned?? I don't know the answer to that. But I do know this, we can't wait any longer -- the numbers are not going to improve over time.
There are tons of escapees from blue states moving to Texas and on the surface one would think that would lead to Texas turning more blue but it isn't! It is in fact rapidly turning even more red. I'm convinced that can happen nationally as well if we nominate people who can properly lay out the case for FREEDOM!!
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Therein lies the rub, brother. Seeing politician and principles in the same sentence is jarring and somewhat unbelievable.
Perry, Walker - yep. They walk the walk.
Cruz - yep. But I want him right where he is: kicking the "go along to get along" senators into actually doing things.
Perry bothers me in one regard... cronyism... he's strong constitutionally... frankly I want to see and hear what they all say in debates.. but the RNC seems to be orchestrating things to be in charge of who is allowed to run and debate so at this point I'm not hopeful for 2016 unless we get rid of Reinse.
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Oh and Grover is married to a Muslim and doing business with the MB...He should be working for Hillary and Huma...
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His list, which he told Business Insider in an approximately hour-long interview Friday at the Conservative Political Action Conference: New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul.
I could do without Christie and Bush. Otherwise, sounds okay to me.
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What demographics specifically are you referencing?
so-called "true conservatives" are a shrinking minority. anyone who pins her/his political future on only their support will be sorely disappointed, and out of a job. Conversely, the numbers of groups of people that so-called "true conservatives" love to pillory are growing. Those groups may be aligned with democrats now, but they are composed of thinking individuals and if the GOP were to approach them as such, and not avoid them or pretend that they don't matte, then some of them will start leaving the democrat plantation.
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/grover-norquist-only-6-republicans-203916983.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/grover-norquist-only-6-republicans-203916983.html)
GROVER NORQUIST: Here Are The Only 6 Republicans Who Can Win In 2016
Business Insider
By Brett LoGiurato March 8, 2014 3:41 PM
NATIONAL HARBOR, Md. — Grover Norquist, the influential conservative who serves as president of Americans for Tax Reform, thinks there are only six Republicans who can win the 2016 Republican nomination for president.
His list, which he told Business Insider in an approximately hour-long interview Friday at the Conservative Political Action Conference: New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul.
"There are only six people who can credibly run start-to-finish, and any of them could conceivably win the presidency," Norquist said.
"And the reason is, each of those people could raise the money to run campaign all the way through. Each of those people has some name ID."
Notably, the list leaves out two prominent CPAC speakers — Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz. Norquist and his group have been highly critical of Cruz in the past, especially in the lead-up to the federal government shutdown last September.
Norquist's list only includes one senator — Paul — because he has made "savvy" political moves and has more of a name recognition with the general public. In general, Norquist thinks governors have a better chance of running a successful campaign.
"With Rubio and Cruz, it's hard for them to raise significant amounts of money," Norquist said.
"And it's hard to make news, in general. You can make a speech. But you can't fire somebody. You can't sign a bill. You can't pass legislation. And by the way, if the Senate does something, Cruz and Rubio both voted for it. So who are you supposed to make president? And by the way, 50 other people voted for it, too!"
Norquist said he did not have a favorite among his six candidates. But he was especially impressed with Walker as a potential candidate. Walker, he said, is still gaining momentum after a "fantastic" 2012, when he became the first and only governor to ever stave off a recall.
"When Scott Walker wins re-election in November, it'll be the third time he's won an election in four years," Norquist said.
In the interview, Norquist also said Republicans have a "better than 50-50 chance" of re-taking control of the U.S. Senate. Republicans have seven prime pick-up opportunities — West Virginia, South Dakota, North Carolina, Louisiana, Montana, Arkansas, and Alaska. They only need to swing six seats to take back the Senate.
"They're all states Republicans win overwhelmingly at the presidential level and at a federal level," he said. "All states where we have or will have a solid candidate, and their candidates are carrying the boat anchor of Obamacare."
I wish that Grover Norquist would realize that we don't need his or Karl Rove's advise at all.
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Oh and Grover is married to a Muslim and doing business with the MB...He should be working for Hillary and Huma...
I have a sneaking suspicion that he and Karl Rove already are in the employ of the Clinton Mafia and have been for quite some time.
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I have a sneaking suspicion that he and Karl Rove already are in the employ of the Clinton Mafia and have been for quite some time.
Would not surprise me. We know Democrat Unions are financing the so-called GOP PAC to destroy the Tea Party, we know McCain has taken money from Norquist as well as Soros for a very long time...... we know Rove is now trying to hide some of his PACS in order to encourage donations that are not linked as directly to him....... I pretty much don't trust many of these people nowadays.
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There are tons of escapees from blue states moving to Texas and on the surface one would think that would lead to Texas turning more blue but it isn't! It is in fact rapidly turning even more red. I'm convinced that can happen nationally as well if we nominate people who can properly lay out the case for FREEDOM!!
Texas is NOT turning more red. Have you seen what's happened in Harris and Dallas counties lately? They are both dominated by Democrats, as is San Antonio. The large population centers are turning Democrat. That is a direct result of the refugees from California and the Northeast. Instead of turning Republican, they drag their liberal propensities with them.
That's why the migration to Texas from the coasts is not necessarily a good thing.
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Christie's already alienated too many republicans, and now too many non-aligned voters, to win and Jeb Bush is so thoroughly hobbled by GWB's legacy and issues of dynasty that he'd never win.
Nor, should he.
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I like Rick Perry.....the one that isn't under the influence of painkillers that mess with his memory. :laugh:
I love Rick Walker's accomplishments in Wisconsin. At this point, my advice to him would be to get a taster.
Scott Walker. I know...call me nit-picky.
You're right....a taster for him might not be a bad idea.
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There are tons of escapees from blue states moving to Texas and on the surface one would think that would lead to Texas turning more blue but it isn't! It is in fact rapidly turning even more red. I'm convinced that can happen nationally as well if we nominate people who can properly lay out the case for FREEDOM!!
You're over the target, brother!
Look out for the flak!
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Perry bothers me in one regard... cronyism... he's strong constitutionally... frankly I want to see and hear what they all say in debates.. but the RNC seems to be orchestrating things to be in charge of who is allowed to run and debate so at this point I'm not hopeful for 2016 unless we get rid of Reinse.
"I'm not hopeful for 2016 unless we get rid of Reinse."
Nailed it, Ma'am!!
He's the RNC version of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.
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Would not surprise me. We know Democrat Unions are financing the so-called GOP PAC to destroy the Tea Party, we know McCain has taken money from Norquist as well as Soros for a very long time...... we know Rove is now trying to hide some of his PACS in order to encourage donations that are not linked as directly to him....... I pretty much don't trust many of these people nowadays.
Total agreement!
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Oh and Grover is married to a Muslim and doing business with the MB...He should be working for Hillary and Huma...
I don't know why anyone pays any attention to what he says at this point.
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"I'm not hopeful for 2016 unless we get rid of Reinse."
Nailed it, Ma'am!!
He's the RNC version of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.
Ouch!! I don't like the guy at all, but that is a low blow!!! :silly:
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Ouch!! I don't like the guy at all, but that is a low blow!!! :silly:
I have my moments. :beer:
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Muslim says what?
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[[ Oh and Grover is married to a Muslim and doing business with the MB...He should be working for Hillary and Huma... ]]
Absolutely right, Ms. Rapunzel!
I would take ANYthing out of Norquist's mouth with a grain of salt.
He is not to be trusted.
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I will vote for whoever the GOP nominee is, and I think whoever that nominee is will win.
Whatever you think of Norquist it's hard for me to find much fault with his logic. Oceander did it best up thread (I'm not ready to count out Christie, in fact if I had to wager money I'd take Christie, but you're probably right about Jeb). Most the other comments are the typical "I hate" - the GOP, Karl Rove, RNC charman, McCain...Norquist married a muslim stuff I've come to expect from conservatives.
yawn
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It is easy to grow the Republican party; just become more like the democrats. And, that is vaguely, though generally, what Paul is proposing in couched language. However, the bigger the tent becomes, the more the true Conservatives will either stay home or depart. Moreover, the true Conservatives are the ones who zealously work for the party in the precincts. If they are not enthused, you have 2012 revisited.
In WI I've seen several conservative Republicans become RINOs because that is who their volunteers are, and that is who gives money.
Abandoning the unappeasable far right would add more moderate voters, and moderate voters are the key to winning a majority today. A moderate vote counts as 2 votes. A moderate who normally votes rat, but now votes GOP adds one vote to the GOP and takes away a vote from the rats. A conservative will not abandon the GOP to vote for a liberal even if they are completely infuriated with the GOP. Moving the GOP far enough right to capture the disaffected fringe is not worth the cost of losing moderates and ceding power to the rats.
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I like Rick Perry.....the one that isn't under the influence of painkillers that mess with his memory. :laugh:
I love Rick Walker's accomplishments in Wisconsin. At this point, my advice to him would be to get a taster.
That would be a cool ticket RICK/RICK 2016 ^-^
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That would be a cool ticket RICK/RICK 2016 ^-^
Everyone says the best speech at CPAC was Rick Perry - not even a close second...
I think it is a terrible shame he had back surgery two weeks before he jumped in the race in 2011.
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I do have one small reservation about Gov. Walker running for President (or indeed Vise President).
Nothing against him, but is there a suitable replacement for him in WI? Some hard nosed conservative who can keep doing what Walker is doing?