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February 2, 2024
Choose your future: Trump or Obama?
By Ned Cosby
Will it be former president Trump versus President Biden in 2024? Or will it be former First Lady Michelle Obama versus former President Trump? These questions and the instability of our times make for much handwringing and prayer here in the early days of 2024.
If you take a deep breath and break this down, it gets simpler. The election of 2024 sets Trump’s “Make America Great Again” against Obama’s “Transform America” mantra. If you want it down to bare bones, the election of 2024 pits Obama against Trump.
Some of you might doubt me, citing the fact that Obama has already served eight years as POTUS and that the Constitution forbids him from a Putin-like endless rule. I might be tempted ask you what other former President moved less than two miles from the White House to continue forcibly engraving his ego on American politics?
Obama, like Putin, does not want to leave the stage. He is willing, however, to let surrogates or the “right people” do his bidding as long as he retains control.
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https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/02/choose_your_future_trump_or_obama.html
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Neither.
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Listen to the fear in this article.
Not enough to make it a Tumpy v. Buydem choice...
Me, there is no choice. Same damn thing.
I will vote down-ticket and eschew the top altogether.
My gov will get my vote.
Dunno yet if I will give Gaines the nod again. Probably not.
Yes to Rosendale, if I have a shot.
And nothing on the top of the ticket.
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Not voting is voting whether you realize it or not.
To refuse to vote for the "lesser of two evils" puts one in the position of support for the greater of the same two evils by the simple act of not standing in the way of the greater evil’s eventually triumph.
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Neither.
Same here. Both are destructive one will just destroy this Republic at a slower pace. SCOTUS is supposed to hear the ruling for Trump to be on the ballot -- that should prove interesting and we're still waiting to see the results of the 91 felony charges.
O'bama has been running the country, his transformation is nearing completion. Somehow Trump is supposed to come in and save the day? *****rollingeyes*****
What has the GOP been doing these past several years? Not a darn thing to ensure election integrity, nothing to back a true conservative's chances of winning ... oh they kept Ronna in charge, that ought to help *****rollingeyes*****
What's going on in this country absolutely sickens me. I'm not about to vote for Trump again and expect different results. I will vote down ballot for conservatives.
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Listen to the fear in this article.
Not enough to make it a Tumpy v. Buydem choice...
Me, there is no choice. Same damn thing.
I will vote down-ticket and eschew the top altogether.
My gov will get my vote.
Dunno yet if I will give Gaines the nod again. Probably not.
Yes to Rosendale, if I have a shot.
And nothing on the top of the ticket.
@roamer_1
Then I am going to get ALL UP in your Biden every single time you start to whine about the Dim President destroying America.
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Same here. Both are destructive one will just destroy this Republic at a slower pace. SCOTUS is supposed to hear the ruling for Trump to be on the ballot -- that should prove interesting and we're still waiting to see the results of the 91 felony charges.
O'bama has been running the country, his transformation is nearing completion. Somehow Trump is supposed to come in and save the day? *****rollingeyes*****
What has the GOP been doing these past several years? Not a darn thing to ensure election integrity, nothing to back a true conservative's chances of winning ... oh they kept Ronna in charge, that ought to help *****rollingeyes*****
What's going on in this country absolutely sickens me. I'm not about to vote for Trump again and expect different results. I will vote down ballot for conservatives.
@libertybele
Gonna be all UP IN YOUR FACE too,every time you start to whine about the Dim President YOU HELPED ELECT.
In-actions have consequences,just like actions,Bubbette! Grow the bleep UP!
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@roamer_1
Then I am going to get ALL UP in your Biden every single time you start to whine about the Dim President destroying America.
Great
And we’ll get all up in your Biden for all the Democrats that Trump supported and Donated to
How’s that work for you?
And you don’t have the right to get up into anybody’s anything
Just like your choice of not voting for DeSantis if he was the nominee was your choice, people choosing not to vote for Donald Trump is their choice also
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Great
And we’ll get all up in your Biden for all the Democrats that Trump supported and Donated to
How’s that work for you?
That's awful white of you. Going to go all the way back to the 40's?
And you don’t have the right to get up into anybody’s anything
And here I wuz,thinking ah was an American!
Just like your choice of not voting for DeSantis if he was the nominee was your choice, people choosing not to vote for Donald Trump is their choice also
Why would ANY sane and responsible person vote for a back-stabbing little bitch?
BTW,don't bother to answer that one. I already know the answer. It's because he is not rude,not orange,and not uber rich.
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And here I wuz,thinking ah was an American!
Why would ANY sane and responsible person vote for a back-stabbing little bitch?
BTW,don't bother to answer that one. I already know the answer. It's because he is not rude,not orange,and not uber rich.
Made my point….again :laugh:
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LOLOL....uh...no. My conscience will not allow me to vote for the lesser of 2 evils as they are both evil. That's like saying vote for which one of these...Stalin or Lenin...you choose.
I’ve always hated the argument that “if you don’t vote for candidate X, that means you’re voting for candidate Y”
Nobody is entitled to a vote. I voted in 2016. I voted for former Republican governor Gary Johnson.
And I’m gonna be voting for president in 2024. But it will be a write in. But I will vote for Republicans down ticket.
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To refuse to vote for the "lesser of two evils" puts one in the position of support for the greater of the same two evils by the simple act of not standing in the way of the greater evil’s eventually triumph.
So voting for evil somehow is voting for good...
That's really twisted logic.
The simple fact is until enough people refuse to vote for the lesser evil the lesser evil will be the only choice offered. They only have to be less evil than the alternative to secure your vote. An ever lowering standard then ensues. Until that fear addiction is broken nothing will change for the better.
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@libertybele
Gonna be all UP IN YOUR FACE too,every time you start to whine about the Dim President YOU HELPED ELECT.
In-actions have consequences,just like actions,Bubbette! Grow the bleep UP!
@sneakypete you are delusional if you think they are going to allow Trump near the WH again.
The one conservative candidate, with the key word being conservative, who could have definitely steered this country in the right direction, YOU made false accusations about, smeared him, taunted others in here for supporting him. You smeared a conservative unjustly and your Orange man talking points against him were proven time and time again to be invalid. What does that say about you??
So, get out of my face, quit with the lame accusations, your Orange Man talking points and grow up! Realize that this isn't a game of retribution and to prove Orange man was cheated.
I am NOT going to vote for someone who I feel will NOT be good for this country. Same situation happened with McCain running against Obama. I couldn't vote for McCain. He would have put us on the same path as Obama only at a slower pace.
Either we seat a conservative in the WH in '24 or we will continue to see the demise of our country. Unfortunately Trump supporters can't seem to get their heads out of the sand and realize what is truly going on, nor can the see the writing on the wall. They blew the only chance we had a seating a conservative -- so IF any Trump supporters whine about the DEMS winning this election -- should I get all up in your face???
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Not voting is voting whether you realize it or not.
I wondered when the not voting for Trump was the same as voting for Hillary Biden line was going to be trotted out again. :pondering: What if a whole bunch of people say they will vote the way you want them to but never pull the lever? How would you know? My gut says that that's what going to happen.
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So voting for evil somehow is voting for good...
That's really twisted logic.
The simple fact is until enough people refuse to vote for the lesser evil the lesser evil will be the only choice offered. They only have to be less evil than the alternative to secure your vote. An ever lowering standard then ensues. Until that fear addiction is broken nothing will change for the better.
Here is the way I see their argument for voting for Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYTeTK57sCQ
So just quit your logic and individual thinking and join the cult!
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Not voting is voting whether you realize it or not.
To refuse to vote for the "lesser of two evils" puts one in the position of support for the greater of the same two evils by the simple act of not standing in the way of the greater evil’s eventually triumph.
I'll take Logical Fallacies for $200, Alex.
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Choosing the lesser of two evils is choosing evil.
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Like we get to choose.
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Not voting is voting whether you realize it or not.
Bullshit. Asked and answered a thousand times.
If that's what you need to justify voting for spending beyond anything the Democrats do, and more liberty lost than ever in this country, then have at it.
I WILL NOT add my endorsement to that crap.
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@roamer_1
Then I am going to get ALL UP in your Biden every single time you start to whine about the Dim President destroying America.
@sneakypete
Dood. YOUR BOY did more in one year than ANYBODY to destroy America. So don't give me that crap.
Your shit stinks just the same as the democrats.
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So voting for evil somehow is voting for good...
That's really twisted logic.
The simple fact is until enough people refuse to vote for the lesser evil the lesser evil will be the only choice offered. They only have to be less evil than the alternative to secure your vote. An ever lowering standard then ensues. Until that fear addiction is broken nothing will change for the better.
Absolutely right!
You get more of what you vote *FOR*
So vote for excellence.
It will take a while. You will suffer some Ls. But when the Right figures out that they can't get elected without Conservative excellence and performance, and LOSE with anything else, the continuum will be broken, and the level of candidates WILL increase.
Kicking the can just gets you more kicking the can.
Don't stand for it.
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-- so IF any Trump supporters whine about the DEMS winning this election -- should I get all up in your face???
They won't. They'll claim they were cheated, guaranteed.
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I wondered when the not voting for Trump was the same as voting for Hillary Biden line was going to be trotted out again. :pondering: What if a whole bunch of people say they will vote the way you want them to but never pull the lever? How would you know? My gut says that that's what going to happen.
Well, I'm not voting for Biteme, so I guess that's voting for Tumpy.
But then I'm not voting for Tumpy, so I guess I am voting for Biteme.
All at the same time, since I ain't voting for either one. :laugh:
A logical monkey-knot that is obviously false and waived off with a chuckle...
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Absolutely right!
You get more of what you vote *FOR*
So vote for excellence.
It will take a while. You will suffer some Ls. But when the Right figures out that they can't get elected without Conservative excellence and performance, and LOSE with anything else, the continuum will be broken, and the level of candidates WILL increase.
Kicking the can just gets you more kicking the can.
Don't stand for it.
These days, they can't get elected WITH conservatives either. Face it. We're 10% of the population at best. We're insignificant, powerless, disenfranchised while 90% of the country borrows and spends its way into national collapse for their own personal benefit.
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These days, they can't get elected WITH conservatives either. Face it. We're 10% of the population at best. We're insignificant, powerless, disenfranchised while 90% of the country borrows and spends its way into national collapse for their own personal benefit.
I don't think that's true. Seems like you need a Limbaugh-esque 'See, I told you so' moment.
BY FAR, the lion's share of this country are working middle class and working poor.
What they know to be true natively transfers to conservatism.
All you have to do is speak it, and they will come arunnin.
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@sneakypete you are delusional if you think they are going to allow Trump near the WH again.
@libertybele
I have never once said the left and their accomplices/business partners on the alleged "Right" would ever "allow" it.
Hell,just look at all the bogus criminal charges that Dim prosecutors are charging him with. Must be right at 100 of them by now.
The one conservative candidate, with the key word being conservative, who could have definitely steered this country in the right direction, YOU made false accusations about, smeared him, taunted others in here for supporting him. You smeared a conservative unjustly and your Orange man talking points against him were proven time and time again to be invalid. What does that say about you??
It says that *I* am not the one that is delusional.
How much effort did the left put into destroying his campaign because they were afraid of him?
The answer is,"None at all."
So, get out of my face, quit with the lame accusations, your Orange Man talking points and grow up! Realize that this isn't a game of retribution and to prove Orange man was cheated.
YOU are the one that needs to wake up. You hero worship a backstabbing opportunist,and join with the DNC in your contempt of the ONLY candidate this cycle that can NOT be bribed or threatened to betray his oath of office.
I am NOT going to vote for someone who I feel will NOT be good for this country. Same situation happened with McCain running against Obama. I couldn't vote for McCain. He would have put us on the same path as Obama only at a slower pace.
Well,ya kinda got me,there. DeSantimonious seems to be good for Florida,but definitely not ready for Prime Time. Hell,his approval ratings were less than 5 percent before he recognized the obvious.
Either we seat a conservative in the WH in '24 or we will continue to see the demise of our country.
Ok,you don't believe that Rude Orange Man is a conservative,so why not name the conservative candidate that is in this race?
Unfortunately Trump supporters can't seem to get their heads out of the sand and realize what is truly going on, nor can the see the writing on the wall. They blew the only chance we had a seating a conservative -- so IF any Trump supporters whine about the DEMS winning this election -- should I get all up in your face???
Once again,just come right out and tell us the name of the candidate you think is going to be elected as the next President,if NOT Trump?
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Like we get to choose.
@jmyrlefuller
Not at the rate the left is filing criminal charges against Trump,and it SEEMS like many alleged Republican voters have no problem with this.
THEY would rather have Biden,Part-2,or "Giggles,Part 1" than Trump,and want us to believe that envy and jealousy have nothing to do with it.
We either get Trump this time and keep reminding him to lead with his eyes on the history books,or this might end up being the last real election we have.
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@sneakypete
Dood. YOUR BOY did more in one year than ANYBODY to destroy America. So don't give me that crap.
Your shit stinks just the same as the democrats.
@roamer_1
Awwww. Hurted your widdle feelwings?
BTW,seems like you think everybody's shit BUT yours stinks.
You need to open your mind a little and quit being so selfish.
BTW,when was the last time you voted for a President that won?
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They won't. They'll claim they were cheated, guaranteed.
@roamer_1
Cheating is going to be a BIG part of the DNC program his cycle,and this is why they are importing every 3rd world denizen they can find,retiring them in place with "free" housing,medical care,utilities,and spending money.
You must be SOOO proud to be associated with that.
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Oh, so the Trump/Counter-Trump war has a new thread......
Carry on.......
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These days, they can't get elected WITH conservatives either. Face it. We're 10% of the population at best. We're insignificant, powerless, disenfranchised while 90% of the country borrows and spends its way into national collapse for their own personal benefit.
@jmyrlefuller
IF even half of what you claim is true,and I have no reason to believe it isn't,the only chance at all that we have for winning is to vote for someone who can't be bribed and who only cares about getting written down in the history books as "The President that saved America!"
Given the number of illegal aliens now registered to vote and with their numbers growing daily,THIS is probably our last chance to save America as nation of free and independent people.
BUT......,trivial things like that don't seem to matter to some self-absorbed posters here.
And I guess it shouldn't,since bitching about something seems to be what they are best at,and if/when,with their help,the DNC candidate is elected,they will have plenty to bitch about.
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@roamer_1
Awwww. Hurted your widdle feelwings?
BTW,seems like you think everybody's shit BUT yours stinks.
You need to open your mind a little and quit being so selfish.
BTW,when was the last time you voted for a President that won?
No, my feelings ain't hurt. They ain't even effected.
In what way is it being selfish to insist upon the things that history proves to work? Ain't it BETTER to do the things that work, instead of the opposite?
as to the last president I voted for who won... Probably BushIIB
But then, even he was not conservative, and there has been nothing conservative since. So it is no surprise that I have not voted for them. Did not vote for McCain't. Did not vote for Romney. Did not vote for Tumpy, and will not vote for Tumpy.
Tumpy is a liberal populist. Romney was liberal. McCain't was moderate who hated conservatives. When you stop raising up the very jerks that are selling us out to the Democrats, and raise up Conservatism, I'll be in with all four feet.
But I will not help you destroy this country.
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@roamer_1
Cheating is going to be a BIG part of the DNC program his cycle,and this is why they are importing every 3rd world denizen they can find,retiring them in place with "free" housing,medical care,utilities,and spending money.
You must be SOOO proud to be associated with that.
I am not associated with anything, @sneakypete . I am not helping them. I ain't helping you either. That is by it's nature, non-associated.
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No, my feelings ain't hurt. They ain't even effected.
In what way is it being selfish to insist upon the things that history proves to work? Ain't it BETTER to do the things that work, instead of the opposite?
as to the last president I voted for who won... Probably BushIIB
But then, even he was not conservative, and there has been nothing conservative since. So it is no surprise that I have not voted for them. Did not vote for McCain't. Did not vote for Romney. Did not vote for Tumpy, and will not vote for Tumpy.
Tumpy is a liberal populist. Romney was liberal. McCain't was moderate who hated conservatives. When you stop raising up the very jerks that are selling us out to the Democrats, and raise up Conservatism, I'll be in with all four feet.
But I will not help you destroy this country.
@roamer_1
That is EXACTLY what you are doing when you refuse to vote for the ONE candidate that won't start running for re-election his first day in office,who can't be bribed,and whose prime concern is going down in the history books as "The President that Saved America".
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@roamer_1
That is EXACTLY what you are doing when you refuse to vote for the ONE candidate that won't start running for re-election his first day in office,who can't be bribed,and whose prime concern is going down in the history books as "The President that Saved America".
I think not. And the record stands with me. @sneakypete
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Oh, so the Trump/Counter-Trump war has a new thread......
Carry on.......
It isn't really a Trump/counterTrump thread. It's really a fact vs illogic thread and they can attack me all they want.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
You don't fight with the army you wish you had, you fight with the one you do have!
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I think not. And the record stands with me. @sneakypete
@roamer_1
I don't,and never WILL agree with you on this,and YOU don't and never WILL agree with me on this,so why don't we just stop jerking each other's chains about it?
"Did tOO!" and Did NOT!" are not "closers".
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@roamer_1
I don't,and never WILL agree with you on this,and YOU don't and never WILL agree with me on this,so why don't we just stop jerking each other's chains about it?
"Did tOO!" and Did NOT!" are not "closers".
That ain't what I do @sneakypete . I defend Conservatism.
If you think Tumpy deserves my vote, then make the Conservative argument for him.
Oops! There's the problem. You can't.
But I would greatly welcome debate, rather than the usual 'you're a poopyhead' comments.
Start in fiscal conservatism and libertarianism.
Go ahead. Make your case.
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It isn't really a Trump/counterTrump thread. It's really a fact vs illogic thread and they can attack me all they want.
John Adams
You don't fight with the army you wish you had, you fight with the one you do have!
*FOR* the things you *DON'T* want?
It's a ridiculous proposition.
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But I would greatly welcome debate, rather than the usual 'you're a poopyhead' comments.
You'll never get that with that particular poster.
I don't have a problem with someone who votes for Trump. I just choose differently
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You'll never get that with that particular poster.
I don't have a problem with someone who votes for Trump. I just choose differently
Yup, though I get a bit more offended than you... Especially when they call it conservatism.
Words mean things.
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They won't. They'll claim they were cheated, guaranteed.
They already predict 2024 will be stolen, nine months in advance. Their god claimed to have won all 50 states last time. So pretty much no matter the result, they will have been cheated. Where is that crying baby meme from the Algore era? You can replace the text with “Official Seal of MAGA.”
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Yup, though I get a bit more offended than you... Especially when they call it conservatism.
Words mean things.
True.
And there really isn't a conservative case you can make when it comes to Trump. "Can't be bribed" and "obsessed with going down in the history books as the president that saved America" are pretty vague cases to make
I understand that there are some who are voting for him simply because they believe he would be the better choice of the two and that's their right to to whatever they want with their ballot
But we need to change course because the path we are on is not sustainable. And that isn't just fiscally speaking, either. And both candidates will continue the unsustainable path
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Hoodat:
"Choosing the lesser of two evils is choosing evil."
Fishrrman:
NOT making a choice -- even an unpalatable one -- is political suicide.
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Hoodat:
"Choosing the lesser of two evils is choosing evil."
Fishrrman:
NOT making a choice -- even an unpalatable one -- is political suicide.
No, Choosing a leftist, big government candidate from the right is political suicide.
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Hoodat:
"Choosing the lesser of two evils is choosing evil."
Fishrrman:
NOT making a choice -- even an unpalatable one -- is political suicide.
I'm making a choice not to vote for someone who is destructive to the country.
And in this case it is both candidates.
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That ain't what I do @sneakypete . I defend Conservatism.
If you think Tumpy deserves my vote, then make the Conservative argument for him.
Oops! There's the problem. You can't.
But I would greatly welcome debate, rather than the usual 'you're a poopyhead' comments.
Start in fiscal conservatism and libertarianism.
Go ahead. Make your case.
@roamer_1
It would be easier to get the sun to rise in the west than to convince you that you are wrong about anything.
Well,at least I tried to end this hostile back and forth.
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True.
And there really isn't a conservative case you can make when it comes to Trump. "Can't be bribed" and "obsessed with going down in the history books as the president that saved America" are pretty vague cases to make
And built on fairy dust and unicorn farts to boot. There is no series of quotes to argue, no declarations. Nothing. Moonbeams and wishes.
I understand that there are some who are voting for him simply because they believe he would be the better choice of the two and that's their right to to whatever they want with their ballot
Oh I get it. FEAR. I know. I had the same knee-jerk reaction for years when I was listening to talk radio 24/7, indoctrinated into that very fear. But any way you look at it, voting for what you don't want is not going to get you what you do want. I know that doesn't sound like much of an epiphany... But it was at the time. Continuing to vote against Conservatism, directly opposing conservatism, for fear of liberals... Voting liberals into the Right for fear of Democrats has got to be the stupidest thing possible.
The Right is supposed to go up against the left, not help it. There is supposed to be a vast difference, and there is not. The only way that changes is when folks abandon their fears and vote for the truth. Till theen, we continue to circle the drain in our ever increasing race to the bottom.
But we need to change course because the path we are on is not sustainable. And that isn't just fiscally speaking, either. And both candidates will continue the unsustainable path
Boy Howdy, ain't that the truth.
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You'll never get that with that particular poster.
I don't have a problem with someone who votes for Trump. I just choose differently
@LMAO
Yeah,WTH,it's only the survival of America as a free and independent nation that it at stake.
It's not like it's about something important,right?
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@roamer_1
It would be easier to get the sun to rise in the west than to convince you that you are wrong about anything.
Well,at least I tried to end this hostile back and forth.
HAHAHAHAHA I EASILY admit my errors, @sneakypete and have done so many times on this board. All you ave to do is show me I am wrong and that Tumpy is Conservative. Then I would vote for him, and happily admit my error.
Go ahead. Make your argument. I'll wait.
And if you don't want the hostile back and forth, that starts with you, not me.
You should know by now I bear you no ill will.
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@LMAO
Yeah,WTH,it's only the survival of America as a free and independent nation that it at stake.
It's not like it's about something important,right?
Yeah... You're not helping with that.
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Yeah... You're not helping with that.
@roamer_1
Denial is NOT a river in Egypt.
If you don't make an honest effort to make necessary changes,you are a part of the problem,not a part of the solution.
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@LMAO
Yeah,WTH,it's only the survival of America as a free and independent nation that it at stake.
It's not like it's about something important,right?
Do you realize that the left also makes a similar argument as a reason to vote against Trump? wink777
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@roamer_1
Denial is NOT a river in Egypt.
There ain't no denial in it. I have stated my case, over and again, and virtually no one has risen against it. Not with any real argument.
If you don't make an honest effort to make necessary changes,you are a part of the problem,not a part of the solution.
That's right @sneakypete . But that's not what you're doing. Your 'changes' are not changes.
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There ain't no denial in it. I have stated my case, over and again, and virtually no one has risen against it. Not with any real argument.
8bs8
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Do you realize that the left also makes a similar argument as a reason to vote against Trump? wink777
@LMAO
And THAT somehow makes my post a lie?????
If ANYTHING,it reinforces the truth of my statement.
In MOST election in my lifetime,the national elections were honest elections,and even if the winning strategy and candidate was not to your liking,you could always take comfort in the fact that "those evil bastards will be exposed for what they are,and MY guy is gonna win next time."
The upcoming election is not going to HAVE a "next time" unless Trump is elected,and he gets VERY lucky and manages to gain a majority on congress.
This is NOT going to happen if the "MY way or the Highway!" losers stay home and do their little "superiority dances on their porches.
You either take part in the system,or the system will take your parts.
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There ain't no denial in it. I have stated my case, over and again, and virtually no one has risen against it. Not with any real argument.
That's right @sneakypete . But that's not what you're doing. Your 'changes' are not changes.
@roamer_1
None are so blind......,look into a mirror as you read this,...as those who will not see."
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@LMAO
And THAT somehow makes my post a lie?????
If ANYTHING,it reinforces the truth of my statement.
In MOST election in my lifetime,the national elections were honest elections,and even if the winning strategy and candidate was not to your liking,you could always take comfort in the fact that "those evil bastards will be exposed for what they are,and MY guy is gonna win next time."
The upcoming election is not going to HAVE a "next time" unless Trump is elected,and he gets VERY lucky and manages to gain a majority on congress.
This is NOT going to happen if the "MY way or the Highway!" losers stay home and do their little "superiority dances on their porches.
You either take part in the system,or the system will take your parts.
Your reply has nothing to do with the point I was making. Nothing. Zip. Nada
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I'm making a choice not to vote for someone who is destructive to the country.
And in this case it is both candidates.
:thumbsup:
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Your reply has nothing to do with the point I was making. Nothing. Zip. Nada
@LMAO
None are so blind......
But you just go ahead and remain at home doing your little "superiority dance" in your living room,if that's what pleases you.
You might even want to try holding your breath until your face turns blue,for all the positive effect your brain farts will create.
Yup,"Do-in nuttin!" sure is the same thing as going for positive change.
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8bs8
I will HAPPILY engage you right now! Let er rip.
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@roamer_1
None are so blind......,look into a mirror as you read this,...as those who will not see."
I see just fine @sneakypete
Here I stand, right upon the Principles of Conservatism, which we all purport to believe in.
If you ain't standing here with me, well that seems to be your problem, not mine.
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I will HAPPILY engage you right now! Let er rip.
There is no sense in us repeating an argument we've already had several times, the fact of which proves your above statement to be a flat out lie.
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Please don't call him a liar. He's one of the most upstanding members we have here. happy77
...virtually no one has risen against it. Not with any real argument.
THAT, my friend, is a lie! We agree on most things but this is a very strong exception. Always has been and always will be.
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There is no sense in us repeating an argument we've already had several times, the fact of which proves your above statement to be a flat out lie.
Not a lie at all. You and I have gone around and again on several issues. Never on the color of Conservatism.
You have also never elaborated (as I recall) on why I should vote for what I do not want.
You have also never successfully argued why I should vote for one who did such great damage to Conservatism, namely to fiscal conservatism and to libertarianism... Surely, to be kind, more damage than any other Republican I can recall.
You've kept up the pot shots on the whole idea that not voting for thee Republican is voting for the Democrat, even though that was proved over and again to be a fallacy. So that's your problem. It's already proven wrong.
I will not vote to expand big government from the right. That means no moderates, no liberals, and no Tumpy.
I will not vote against fellow conservatives.
As a Reaganite, you throw any conservative under the bus, you do the very same to me. Because that is how Conservatism dies.
Go ahead. Change my mind.
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THAT, my friend, is a lie! We agree on most things but this is a very strong exception. Always has been and always will be.
Pardon, but no, it ain't. We might be talking past each other, but I am not intentionally lying, especially not to you.
I do not remember ANY critical defense of Tumpy on your part. So refresh me. Bring it.
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Please don't call him a liar. He's one of the most upstanding members we have here. happy77
@Jack Russell
@Bigun
I agree. He obviously believes that what he thinks,or wants to think,is correct.
He is just delusional when it comes to reality.
The world needs dreamers,but not so much during election years.
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@Jack Russell
@Bigun
I agree. He obviously believes that what he thinks,or wants to think,is correct.
He is just delusional when it comes to reality.
The world needs dreamers,but not so much during election years.
HAHAHA The slap of a backhanded compliment.
I am still standing right here on Conservatism.
To do otherwise would be delusion.
Where are you?
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Pardon, but no, it ain't. We might be talking past each other, but I am not intentionally lying, especially not to you.
I do not remember ANY critical defense of Tumpy on your part. So refresh me. Bring it.
Perhaps we are talking past each other. I've been talking about obstructing Democrats by any means at hand. Not Trump. @roamer_1
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HAHAHA The slap of a backhanded compliment.
I am still standing right here on Conservatism.
To do otherwise would be delusion.
Where are you?
I live in a place named "reality".
You should come visit sometime.
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Perhaps we are talking past each other. I've been talking about obstructing Democrats by any means at hand. Not Trump. @roamer_1
You are not obstructing anything anymore, with a senate full of RINOs and either a moderate or liberal or liberal in the choices for president.
Voting for ANY of that mess ain't helping anything.
I will vote for Gianforte, our governor. He's made his bones.
I will vote for Rosendale in the house. I don't always agree with Freedom Caucus, but that's what fighting looks like.
No one else has my vote, precisely because they will obstruct nothing.
Liberalism isn't winning by merit - It has no merit.
Liberalism is winning because it has no opposition.
I will vote for that opposition every time.
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I live in a place named "reality".
You should come visit sometime.
Reality huh... Where voting for what historically works is thrown over for its opposite. That's reality huh?
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You are not obstructing anything anymore, with a senate full of RINOs and either a moderate or liberal or liberal in the choices for president.
Voting for ANY of that mess ain't helping anything.
I will vote for Gianforte, our governor. He's made his bones.
I will vote for Rosendale in the house. I don't always agree with Freedom Caucus, but that's what fighting looks like.
No one else has my vote, precisely because they will obstruct nothing.
Liberalism isn't winning by merit - It has no merit.
Liberalism is winning because it has no opposition.
I will vote for that opposition every time.
I'm quite aware that you hold that opinion and that mine greatly differs. Ain't goin around that bush again. And for the record, I have NEVER not voted and never will for so long as I'm sucking wind.
I'm Captain Miller sitting on the bridge emptying my .45 at the advancing tank. You aren't.
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Reality huh... Where voting for what historically works is thrown over for its opposite. That's reality huh?
@roamer_1
ROFLMAO!
Surrendering without a fight is now deemed to be a "plan that works to create positive change"?
What color is the sky on your home planet?
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I'm quite aware that you hold that opinion and that mine greatly differs. Ain't goin around that bush again. And for the record, I have NEVER not voted and never will for so long as I'm sucking wind.
I'm Captain Miller sitting on the bridge emptying my .45 at the advancing tank. You aren't.
And how has that worked for you?
Voting for the lesser evil has only continued further down the evil rabbit hole. Essentially how fast we cede ground is the only measure of success in that world. You can never win if all you do is cede ground. Eventually you run out of ground to cede. To take ground you have to let go of the fear that the lesser evil is the answer. Until enough people do, nothing will change.
I figure I must be on Bigun's ignore list...
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And how has that worked for you?
Voting for the lesser evil has only continued further down the evil rabbit hole. Essentially how fast we cede ground is the only measure of success in that world. You can never win if all you do is cede ground. Eventually you run out of ground to cede. To take ground you have to let go of the fear that the lesser evil is the answer. Until enough people do, nothing will change.
I figure I must be on Bigun's ignore list...
No! You are not on my ignore list @DB I just don't see how quitting, or refusing to vote, is anything but surrender. I've lived in a time when I have always been swimming upstream politically but swim I will!
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I'm quite aware that you hold that opinion and that mine greatly differs. Ain't goin around that bush again. And for the record, I have NEVER not voted and never will for so long as I'm sucking wind.
I'm Captain Miller sitting on the bridge emptying my .45 at the advancing tank. You aren't.
I have generally voted, barring a couple times lately where medical issues intervened... Mostly, I have voted... Lately more for CP candidates thn Republicans, but I helped Zinke get in, and I will help Gianforte, as I said. Zinke was 2016 I believe... and the last full on help I gave, activating my call center and using my regional business influence ... The whole 9 yards. That was front lines.
The difference is I don't have a big 'R' on my patch. and because of that, can treat yours exactly as I do theirs. I'm a Conservative, not a Republican. And the enemy is not Democrats per se, but rather, liberals of any stripe.
So enjoy your forward action. Just make sure you don't shoot yourself in the foot. You've nothing to fear from me, back in the sticks with a 300 win mag... I KNOW you ain't liberal. But many others are.
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@roamer_1
ROFLMAO!
Surrendering without a fight is now deemed to be a "plan that works to create positive change"?
What color is the sky on your home planet?
Who is surrendering, me or you? I am still standing on the Principles of Conservatism, and will NOT move one damn inch for anybody.
I fight like hell. Just not for you. @sneakypete
You want my help, support Conservatives. Otherwise, you don't get it.
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No! You are not on my ignore list @DB I just don't see how quitting, or refusing to vote, is anything but surrender. I've lived in a time when I have always been swimming upstream politically but swim I will!
QUITTING? Who's quitting?
I will vote in a NY Minute for ANY Conservative.
I will no longer vote for anything else.
Especially not a NYC Liberal whose record is atrocious.
That ain't quitting.
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Who is the greater demon?
Big government on the left, or
Big government on the right?
Answer:
They're the same damn demon.
How do you fight it without Conservatives on the right?
Answer:
You don't.
You capitulate instead, just like Republicans are doing RIGHT NOW on the border in the senate.
And you want me to vote for more of that?
HELL NO.
Clean your damn house, and start insisting on Conservatives.
Settle for nothing less, or you will get less... ad less.
When y'all get that done, we'll talk.
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No! You are not on my ignore list @DB I just don't see how quitting, or refusing to vote, is anything but surrender. I've lived in a time when I have always been swimming upstream politically but swim I will!
First, I'm glad I'm not on your ignore list. I respect you more than you know. I'm not quitting. I just have come to the conclusion that the path of voting for the lesser evil to the point of picking which poison to take is not a winning strategy. That instead of owning my vote because they offer a little less evil than the other party that they should instead have to earn my vote. And they won't do that until enough people force them to earn their vote too. It is a self reenforcing trap as long as you let them do it.
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QUITTING? Who's quitting?
I will vote in a NY Minute for ANY Conservative.
I will no longer vote for anything else.
Especially not a NYC Liberal whose record is atrocious.
That ain't quitting.
Re: Choose your future: Trump or Obama?
« Reply #2 on: Today at 01:53:34 am »
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Listen to the fear in this article.
Not enough to make it a Tumpy v. Buydem choice...
Me, there is no choice. Same damn thing.
I will vote down-ticket and eschew the top altogether.
My gov will get my vote.
Dunno yet if I will give Gaines the nod again. Probably not.
Yes to Rosendale, if I have a shot.
And nothing on the top of the ticket.
So did you write that or not? @roamer_1
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To put it another way, in high stakes negotiations you have to be willing to walk away from the table in order to avoid a losing deal and/or force the other side to rethink their offer.
The only leverage I have is my vote. If they own it, I have no leverage at all.
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So did you write that or not? @roamer_1
Sure I did. Note that I said I would vote down-ticket, consistent with my position of voting ONLY for Conservatives.
That ain't quitting.
Which brings me to the next point of rancor...
I see big government as the enemy.
Explain to me how voting *FOR* that which I abhor gets me small government?
It hasn't in fifty years or more. Why believe in that bullshit now?
NO. I will not buy into the big Rhinestone R. Never again. Especially with a NYC liberal dressed as a conservative leading the parade. HELL NO.
That's not quitting. All you have to do is give me something worth voting for.
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First, I'm glad I'm not on your ignore list. I respect you more than you know. I'm not quitting. I just have come to the conclusion that the path of voting for the lesser evil to the point of picking which poison to take is not a winning strategy. That instead of owning my vote because they offer a little less evil than the other party that they should instead have to earn my vote. And they won't do that until enough people force them to earn their vote too. It is a self reenforcing trap as long as you let them do it.
I have repeatedly explained myself as best I can @DB and the respect is mutual. I see us in much the same position that George Washington was all those years ago, fighting one holding action after another until the opportunity for real victory presented itself. And he did that with the army he had! not the one he wished he had.
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I have repeatedly explained myself as best I can @DB and the respect is mutual. I see us in much the same position that George Washington was all those years ago, fighting one holding action after another until the opportunity for real victory presented itself. And he did that with the army he had! not the one he wished he had.
You'll never see the day. They all get DeSantis'd. They all get stripped out by MurderTurdle. Every which way, your party is against you. They will continue to stifle Conservatives as long as you let them...
By continuing to vote them into power.
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LMAO...
And there really isn't a conservative case you can make when it comes to Trump.
Now, this comment is just not true at all. Yes, it can be said Trump is NOT conservative on everything, but he did do things that most conservatives support.
Trump did appoint three mostly conservative judges to the Supreme Court. Remember, you could have dumb clucks like Merrick Garland sitting there making decisions! At least his picks are a damn sight more conservative than that POS Bush appointee, John worthless Roberts!! And this body of Supremes did REVERSE ROE VS WADE, while not eliminating abortion, it returned that decision to the states.
Trump implemented policies to greatly reduce the flow of illegal invading aliens into the USA. He built 240 miles of wall, with NO SUPPORT from a worthless Congress, even when they had a Republican majority. He did not complete the wall, but he tried. He failed on this promise, but it was all of Congress that assisted with that fail!!!
He reduced regulations in the USA, which has been a conservative notion for decades.
He reduced federal income taxes in the USA across the board. Again another conservative notion.
He was successful with his efforts to bring some semblance of peace to the Middle East, not necessarily a conservative notion, but I applaud his efforts there.
And whether you agree with him or not, he imposed tariffs on China, and used some of that money to help farmers in the USA. Again, I can't find anything wrong here. He renegotiated NAFTA and other trade agreements where the USA was getting the short end of the stick, and that is more conservative than most conservative, which spout free trade, and all we end up with is anything that resembles something other than FAIR TRADE. Screw free trade if it means the USA gets the short end of the stick.
He was the first POTUS to tell the worthless allies in Europe to start paying your FAIR SHARE for NATO. I say that is more conservative than any conservative prior to him EVER UTTERED!!!!
Does Trump come with a huge host of rough edges? HELL YES!!! He is obnoxious, that is a given. Ignorant as often as he is diplomatic. True enough.
And for me, a white collar person who believed he would end the H1-b Visa Program, who felt betrayed when he met with the tech billionaire oligarchs in the USA and INCREASED THE NUMBER OF H1-B VISA RECIPIENTS MONTHS INTO HIS PRESIDENCY, well that was an aw-shit that wiped out all his atta boys for me for 3.5 years.
BUT...............
Huge BUT, are you willing to return a communist to the position of POTUS, regardless as to whether it is Wrecking Ball Joe, Big Mike, or the idiot governors of California, Michigan, or Illinois? Really???!!!!
Trump would not have been my candidate in the primary, but the primary is over. My guy FAILED to point out the problem with Trump which I thought was a stupid and weak approach to dealing with him.
For all the reasons of his past efforts to accomplish conservative goals, I WILL VOTE FOR TRUMP. I think he will once again be alone, and have next to zero support from the supposed Republican conservatives in Congress. Everything will be done with Executive Orders. But I would rather have him signing EOs than a communist puppet like Wrecking Ball Joe!!!!
THE REAL QUESTION EVERYONE HERE NEEDS TO ASK THEMSELVES IS:
WHERE WILL THIS COUNTRY BE AFTER FOUR MORE YEARS OF WRECKING BALL JOE, OR PERHAPS WORSE BIG MIKE? NOT ONE DAMN THING GOOD WILL COME OF HAVING EITHER OF THESE CLOWNS AS POTUS.
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Now, this comment is just not true at all. Yes, it can be said Trump is NOT conservative on everything, but he did do things that most conservatives support.
Trump did appoint three mostly conservative judges to the Supreme Court. Remember, you could have dumb clucks like Merrick Garland sitting there making decisions! At least his picks are a damn sight more conservative than that POS Bush appointee, John worthless Roberts!! And this body of Supremes did REVERSE ROE VS WADE, while not eliminating abortion, it returned that decision to the states.
Trump implemented policies to greatly reduce the flow of illegal invading aliens into the USA. He built 240 miles of wall, with NO SUPPORT from a worthless Congress, even when they had a Republican majority. He did not complete the wall, but he tried. He failed on this promise, but it was all of Congress that assisted with that fail!!!
He reduced regulations in the USA, which has been a conservative notion for decades.
He reduced federal income taxes in the USA across the board. Again another conservative notion.
He was successful with his efforts to bring some semblance of peace to the Middle East, not necessarily a conservative notion, but I applaud his efforts there.
And whether you agree with him or not, he imposed tariffs on China, and used some of that money to help farmers in the USA. Again, I can't find anything wrong here. He renegotiated NAFTA and other trade agreements where the USA was getting the short end of the stick, and that is more conservative than most conservative, which spout free trade, and all we end up with is anything that resembles something other than FAIR TRADE. Screw free trade if it means the USA gets the short end of the stick.
He was the first POTUS to tell the worthless allies in Europe to start paying your FAIR SHARE for NATO. I say that is more conservative than any conservative prior to him EVER UTTERED!!!!
Does Trump come with a huge host of rough edges? HELL YES!!! He is obnoxious, that is a given. Ignorant as often as he is diplomatic. True enough.
And for me, a white collar person who believed he would end the H1-b Visa Program, who felt betrayed when he met with the tech billionaire oligarchs in the USA and INCREASED THE NUMBER OF H1-B VISA RECIPIENTS MONTHS INTO HIS PRESIDENCY, well that was an aw-shit that wiped out all his atta boys for me for 3.5 years.
BUT...............
Huge BUT, are you willing to return a communist to the position of POTUS, regardless as to whether it is Wrecking Ball Joe, Big Mike, or the idiot governors of California, Michigan, or Illinois? Really???!!!!
Trump would not have been my candidate in the primary, but the primary is over. My guy FAILED to point out the problem with Trump which I thought was a stupid and weak approach to dealing with him.
For all the reasons of his past efforts to accomplish conservative goals, I WILL VOTE FOR TRUMP. I think he will once again be alone, and have next to zero support from the supposed Republican conservatives in Congress. Everything will be done with Executive Orders. But I would rather have him signing EOs than a communist puppet like Wrecking Ball Joe!!!!
THE REAL QUESTION EVERYONE HERE NEEDS TO ASK THEMSELVES IS:
WHERE WILL THIS COUNTRY BE AFTER FOUR MORE YEARS OF WRECKING BALL JOE, OR PERHAPS WORSE BIG MIKE? NOT ONE DAMN THING GOOD WILL COME OF HAVING EITHER OF THESE CLOWNS AS POTUS.
@jafo2010
A valiant effort,but you are wasting your time.
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Back in the day, I was one of those folks that voted for Ross Perot, TWICE, because I wanted someone who was going to take action on what I saw as MY BEHALF. He often complained of gridlock, but fact is, if he had been elected, he would have had some of the worst gridlock ever. Neither party would have supported him then. It would have been a similar experience to what Trump underwent.
No voting is FOOLISH!!!! Voting for a 3rd party candidate is a wasted vote. Back when I did it, I believed the only way a 3rd party gains any prominence is if people consistently vote 3rd party and the numbers grow to victory one day. But the UGLY TRUTH is that the system is rigged by the Dems and the GOP to remain a two party system. That is the UGLY TRUTH!
And voting for Gary Johnson, a 3rd party candidate that if he was lucky would get 1 %? PLEASE!!!!!!!!
You have heard me say it often, I believe our republic is gone. I believe 2024 will be fixed if necessary. They will not start playing with the ones and zeroes until the moment appears they are losing. Then, there will be half a dozen to a dozen states that will stop counting, and 12 hours later, the commie Dem candidate will have narrow margins in those states, exactly like 2020.
Complaints will once again fall on deaf ears, and the Supreme Court will once again bury their heads and NOT get involved, and we will put a few more nails in the coffin of the republic, and dig a few feet deeper for it to never return.
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Now, this comment is just not true at all. Yes, it can be said Trump is NOT conservative on everything, but he did do things that most conservatives support.
Trump did appoint three mostly conservative judges to the Supreme Court. Remember, you could have dumb clucks like Merrick Garland sitting there making decisions! At least his picks are a damn sight more conservative than that POS Bush appointee, John worthless Roberts!! And this body of Supremes did REVERSE ROE VS WADE, while not eliminating abortion, it returned that decision to the states.
Trump implemented policies to greatly reduce the flow of illegal invading aliens into the USA. He built 240 miles of wall, with NO SUPPORT from a worthless Congress, even when they had a Republican majority. He did not complete the wall, but he tried. He failed on this promise, but it was all of Congress that assisted with that fail!!!
He reduced regulations in the USA, which has been a conservative notion for decades.
He reduced federal income taxes in the USA across the board. Again another conservative notion.
He was successful with his efforts to bring some semblance of peace to the Middle East, not necessarily a conservative notion, but I applaud his efforts there.
And whether you agree with him or not, he imposed tariffs on China, and used some of that money to help farmers in the USA. Again, I can't find anything wrong here. He renegotiated NAFTA and other trade agreements where the USA was getting the short end of the stick, and that is more conservative than most conservative, which spout free trade, and all we end up with is anything that resembles something other than FAIR TRADE. Screw free trade if it means the USA gets the short end of the stick.
He was the first POTUS to tell the worthless allies in Europe to start paying your FAIR SHARE for NATO. I say that is more conservative than any conservative prior to him EVER UTTERED!!!!
Does Trump come with a huge host of rough edges? HELL YES!!! He is obnoxious, that is a given. Ignorant as often as he is diplomatic. True enough.
And for me, a white collar person who believed he would end the H1-b Visa Program, who felt betrayed when he met with the tech billionaire oligarchs in the USA and INCREASED THE NUMBER OF H1-B VISA RECIPIENTS MONTHS INTO HIS PRESIDENCY, well that was an aw-shit that wiped out all his atta boys for me for 3.5 years.
BUT...............
Huge BUT, are you willing to return a communist to the position of POTUS, regardless as to whether it is Wrecking Ball Joe, Big Mike, or the idiot governors of California, Michigan, or Illinois? Really???!!!!
Trump would not have been my candidate in the primary, but the primary is over. My guy FAILED to point out the problem with Trump which I thought was a stupid and weak approach to dealing with him.
For all the reasons of his past efforts to accomplish conservative goals, I WILL VOTE FOR TRUMP. I think he will once again be alone, and have next to zero support from the supposed Republican conservatives in Congress. Everything will be done with Executive Orders. But I would rather have him signing EOs than a communist puppet like Wrecking Ball Joe!!!!
THE REAL QUESTION EVERYONE HERE NEEDS TO ASK THEMSELVES IS:
WHERE WILL THIS COUNTRY BE AFTER FOUR MORE YEARS OF WRECKING BALL JOE, OR PERHAPS WORSE BIG MIKE? NOT ONE DAMN THING GOOD WILL COME OF HAVING EITHER OF THESE CLOWNS AS POTUS.
REALLY? THAT's supposed to sanction the greatest cost in liberty and treasure ever in our history, and secure even MORE with our endorsement?
That's just nuts. You're right. As long as y'all can justify that, this country is over with. NEITHER side will mind the store, and then it is just a matter of time.
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It's been JUST A MATTER OF TIME FOR 30 YEARS!!!
Like a severe alcoholic, we will need to experience that near death moment to wake up as a society to right the many wrongs. And I believe it is more likely the tsunami hits, and a large segment of the USA disappears in one year, as will be true for the rest of the world, which will make the Bill Gates of the world dancing in the street.
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Now, this comment is just not true at all. Yes, it can be said Trump is NOT conservative on everything, but he did do things that most conservatives support.
Trump did appoint three mostly conservative judges to the Supreme Court. Remember, you could have dumb clucks like Merrick Garland sitting there making decisions! At least his picks are a damn sight more conservative than that POS Bush appointee, John worthless Roberts!! And this body of Supremes did REVERSE ROE VS WADE, while not eliminating abortion, it returned that decision to the states.
Trump implemented policies to greatly reduce the flow of illegal invading aliens into the USA. He built 240 miles of wall, with NO SUPPORT from a worthless Congress, even when they had a Republican majority. He did not complete the wall, but he tried. He failed on this promise, but it was all of Congress that assisted with that fail!!!
He reduced regulations in the USA, which has been a conservative notion for decades.
He reduced federal income taxes in the USA across the board. Again another conservative notion.
He was successful with his efforts to bring some semblance of peace to the Middle East, not necessarily a conservative notion, but I applaud his efforts there.
And whether you agree with him or not, he imposed tariffs on China, and used some of that money to help farmers in the USA. Again, I can't find anything wrong here. He renegotiated NAFTA and other trade agreements where the USA was getting the short end of the stick, and that is more conservative than most conservative, which spout free trade, and all we end up with is anything that resembles something other than FAIR TRADE. Screw free trade if it means the USA gets the short end of the stick.
He was the first POTUS to tell the worthless allies in Europe to start paying your FAIR SHARE for NATO. I say that is more conservative than any conservative prior to him EVER UTTERED!!!!
Does Trump come with a huge host of rough edges? HELL YES!!! He is obnoxious, that is a given. Ignorant as often as he is diplomatic. True enough.
And for me, a white collar person who believed he would end the H1-b Visa Program, who felt betrayed when he met with the tech billionaire oligarchs in the USA and INCREASED THE NUMBER OF H1-B VISA RECIPIENTS MONTHS INTO HIS PRESIDENCY, well that was an aw-shit that wiped out all his atta boys for me for 3.5 years.
BUT...............
Huge BUT, are you willing to return a communist to the position of POTUS, regardless as to whether it is Wrecking Ball Joe, Big Mike, or the idiot governors of California, Michigan, or Illinois? Really???!!!!
Trump would not have been my candidate in the primary, but the primary is over. My guy FAILED to point out the problem with Trump which I thought was a stupid and weak approach to dealing with him.
For all the reasons of his past efforts to accomplish conservative goals, I WILL VOTE FOR TRUMP. I think he will once again be alone, and have next to zero support from the supposed Republican conservatives in Congress. Everything will be done with Executive Orders. But I would rather have him signing EOs than a communist puppet like Wrecking Ball Joe!!!!
THE REAL QUESTION EVERYONE HERE NEEDS TO ASK THEMSELVES IS:
WHERE WILL THIS COUNTRY BE AFTER FOUR MORE YEARS OF WRECKING BALL JOE, OR PERHAPS WORSE BIG MIKE? NOT ONE DAMN THING GOOD WILL COME OF HAVING EITHER OF THESE CLOWNS AS POTUS.
You are correct on the judges and Trump was much better on the border than Biden. I’m not in disagreement with everything Trump did.
His tariffs, on the other hand, actually cost the economy. And the aid to farmers was because they were negatively impacted by his policy. Bailout are not a conservative position. in fact, it was the George W. Bush bailouts that made many of us leave the Republican Party. Trump actually bragged about having to bail out the farmers.
Trump did not inherit a recession, or an economy crashing. he inherited a stable economy with relatively low inflation. But when a crisis hit, COVID-19, his presidency fell apart. And how he handled that crisis was an indication how he would handle any other crisis. He was right in restricting travel from China, and I agreed with him on that.
But when he started getting any criticism, he turned the economy over to the likes of Anthony Fauci who recommended basically shutting down the country with no pushback from Trump. Trillions of dollars were printed and pushed out in the economy laying the groundwork for the inflation we are experiencing today. And he fought congressional Republicans who wanted to try to at least reign some of that in and sided with the Democrats on Covid spending. He was critical of Republican governors that he felt open their states too early, and even was critical of the Swedish model in their way of dealing with Covid.
Every indication from Trump’s first term suggest that in any emergency, his answer will be to print, borrow,bailout, and spend. I remember a day when conservatives vehemently opposed the expansion of the federal government.
But I look at what he’s running on right now. Retribution, more spending, more tariffs, and further expansion of the federal government. We are on a very unsustainable path. And although Trump doesn’t get all the blame, he was a good part of putting us on that path. And I can’t even say for sure that Trump would put us on that path any faster or slower than Biden.
What people decide to do their vote is their business, and I’m not gonna be critical of you because you’ve decided to vote for Donald Trump. But, again, I’m choosing differently
BTW, good post
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It's been JUST A MATTER OF TIME FOR 30 YEARS!!!
Like a severe alcoholic, we will need to experience that near death moment to wake up as a society to right the many wrongs. And I believe it is more likely the tsunami hits, and a large segment of the USA disappears in one year, as will be true for the rest of the world, which will make the Bill Gates of the world dancing in the street.
You’re right
And we’re so deep in the hole hole it probably doesn’t matter who becomes president as both Biden, and Trump, have the same fiscal and monetary policy
Biden once made the comment as vice president that we have to spend money to keep from going bankrupt and Donald Trump once said that we can print our way out of a default
Neither candidate bodes very well for our future
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LMAO,
I basically agree with what you said regarding Trump, and his FAILURE in regard to COVID.
BUT....
Another huge BUT, it was Biden who had a year to formulate a mindset without being on the line for his decisions, and when he took office, what did he do, he made the COVID vaccine MANDATORY for government employees, which opened up the floodgate for corporations to do the same. And long after the pandemic was beginning to settle, Biden spent far greater amounts of money when it was NOT needed, which had a workforce chosing to stay home and collect a government check versus returning to the workforce.
Again, I agree Trump made bad decisions, BUT Biden with the benefit of time, made even worse decisions.
FACT IS, no 3rd party candidate will get more than a couple percent of the vote.
It could be argued that many of the past presidents had some element of evil in their being. This is not a choice between lesser evils, this is a choice between a communist, and a man that does some things conservative, and actually could do things that benefit the American people.
Closing the border or reducing the flow of INVADERS will benefit Americans. Wrecking Ball Joe just got the Republican House majority to agree to allowing 5,000 INVADERS cross our border daily. Please? You want more of that sh*t????????????????????????
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Again, I agree Trump made bad decisions, BUT Biden with the benefit of time, made even worse decisions.
Agreed. One you have no control over, the other you do.
Do you REALLY want to endorse the huge mistakes that cost so much in liberty and treasure... To approve of and vote *FOR* more of that?
I will not reward such ineptitude with another term. We quite simply cannot afford it.
He gave y'all nothing. Nothing. And all it cost was 20 trillion bucks and who knows how many deaths and destroyed businesses...
Y'all are too used to being satisfied with nothing.
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Satisfied? Heck, if you read MY POSTS, I am anything but satisfied. If I had the money, I would run for Congress and try to get elected and make a difference. I got elected once to a local position, where I made a huge difference for my community. But at the federal level, it takes hundreds of thousands if not millions to get elected. I do not have that kind of wealth.
I remember like it was yesterday when in 1995, Jamie Whitten, a House member from Mississippi, having served 53 + years retired from Congress, and I said, never heard of the man. Believe me, if I served 10 years in Congress, I would be a household name. There is so much that needs to be done, and this Congress and the Congress for the last 50 years have done little to nothing but be self serving, and ignored the American people. Now, they support ILLEGAL INVADING ALIENS VOTING!!!!!!!! This criminal travesty should NOT be tolerated for a second, let alone be permitted in many of these Democommie controlled areas of our nation. I think the time has come at the federal level to prohibit the voting by anyone NOT a citizen of the USA. Criminal nonsense of the highest level.
And it is time to rebirth the Republican Party, once again restoring it to its conservative roots, with a list of items they place as imperative for the republic to continue, and set that list to gain voting majorities in both houses of Congress. The list should include, but not be limited to:
1. TERM LIMITS. 12 YEARS AND OUT. NO GOLDEN PARACHUTE. A RETIREMENT PROGRAM LIKE ANY 401K THAT PROVIDES A MATCH FOR EVERY DOLLAR INVESTED BY THE ELECTED OFFICIAL. NO SPECIAL HEALTHCARE OR PENSION FOR LIFE AFTER FIVE STINKING YEARS. NONSENSE!!!
2. MANDATORY BALANCED BUDGETS, WITH THE SOLE EXCEPTION BY WHEN CONGRESS DECLARES WAR. That hasn't happened since December, 1941!!!
3. CLOSED BORDERS TO INVADERS. Enough of the idiocy. We do not need 100 more judges, thousands more on the
border. We need an impenetrable wall, and a closed border. You want to come here as a refugee, the ONLY AVENUE is
via application within a US embassy. PERIOD!!! Save hundreds of billions in taxpayer money every year.
4. IMPORTANT TO MAKE HUMAN TRAFFICKING A CAPITAL CRIME. Slavery is alive and well in the USA, and the Biden
Idiocracy in particular is fostering this industry in a huge way.
Also, make the theft of $100,000 or greater a capital crime. (or pick a number) The abuse in the USA is insane. They
used to hang folks for stealing a loaf of bread. In a country with nearly 350 million people, get rid of the worst
criminals. Enough of the nonsense.
Also make election fixing on the federal level a capital crime if beyond a certain scale.
5. Foreign aid for foreign nations requires 2/3rds majority of Congress to approve. Every dollar spent overseas is money out
of the pocket of taxpayers.
6. Develop an approach to make Social Security fully solvent for an indefinite period. Only way I know to do that is begin
individual accounts. Graduate it so those that invested in the current approach do not lose out. Begin with taxing one
percent, index it up by one half of one percent per year until reaching 15%. Begin reducing taxation of the current
formula five years from now, reducing it by one half of one percent per year, and that should greatly help with the
transition. Dollars put in the account can be put into a wide array of investment vehicles, i.e. mutual funds, etc., and
cannot be touched until retirement. One can put into conservative vehicles, and still do better than the current program
of Social Security, which returns about 1 % on one's investment. Long overdue for a fix here. Robert Dole ran for POTUS
claiming he and Congress fixed SSI, when that was a total lie. Gave us one of the highest tax increases ever, sure, but
fix SSI and Medicare? BULLSH*T!!!
7. Redefine what is required to be a citizen of the USA. Being born here is NOT enough. MANDATORY, to be a citizen, you
must have one parent born in the USA. No more folks flying in from China and the four corners of the world, pregnant,
and giving birth here making their child a USA citizen. NONSENSE!!! No more illegal invading aliens coming here,
birthing, and claiming to stay because their child is a USA citizen. NONSENSE!!!
8. New requirements to be POTUS and VPOTUS. Being the attained age of 35 and born in the USA is NOT enough. Age 35
was the average life expectancy when the country was founded. There is NOT a living breathing American age 35 I
would vote to be POTUS. Time to change that. And I say must be born to at least one if not both parents who also were
born in the USA.
And that goes for members of Congress too. No more Ilhan Omars, who supposedly came to the USA illegally, becoming
a member of Congress. That traitor just swore allegiance to Somalia. BULLSH*T!!!!!
9. And any other logical change needed.
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You'll never see the day. They all get DeSantis'd. They all get stripped out by MurderTurdle. Every which way, your party is against you. They will continue to stifle Conservatives as long as you let them...
By continuing to vote them into power.
I don't have a party! At least not on the national level. I'll find out for sure if I still have one at the state level after March 5th. I help people I know and respect only. Not one thin dime goes to "the party"!
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I don't have a party! At least not on the national level. I'll find out for sure if I still have one at the state level after March 5th. I help people I know and respect only. Not one thin dime goes to "the party"!
I don't either. And the state I moved to seems to be rapidly slipping away too. I'm happy to vote for Andy Biggs, but that's all I got currently.
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Back in the day, I was one of those folks that voted for Ross Perot, TWICE, because I wanted someone who was going to take action on what I saw as MY BEHALF. He often complained of gridlock, but fact is, if he had been elected, he would have had some of the worst gridlock ever. Neither party would have supported him then. It would have been a similar experience to what Trump underwent.
No voting is FOOLISH!!!! Voting for a 3rd party candidate is a wasted vote. Back when I did it, I believed the only way a 3rd party gains any prominence is if people consistently vote 3rd party and the numbers grow to victory one day. But the UGLY TRUTH is that the system is rigged by the Dems and the GOP to remain a two party system. That is the UGLY TRUTH!
And voting for Gary Johnson, a 3rd party candidate that if he was lucky would get 1 %? PLEASE!!!!!!!!
You have heard me say it often, I believe our republic is gone. I believe 2024 will be fixed if necessary. They will not start playing with the ones and zeroes until the moment appears they are losing. Then, there will be half a dozen to a dozen states that will stop counting, and 12 hours later, the commie Dem candidate will have narrow margins in those states, exactly like 2020.
Complaints will once again fall on deaf ears, and the Supreme Court will once again bury their heads and NOT get involved, and we will put a few more nails in the coffin of the republic, and dig a few feet deeper for it to never return.
I'm right there with you on all points @jafo2010 except that my guy, and former neighbor, was Ron Paul.
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You’re right
And we’re so deep in the hole hole it probably doesn’t matter who becomes president as both Biden, and Trump, have the same fiscal and monetary policy
Biden once made the comment as vice president that we have to spend money to keep from going bankrupt and Donald Trump once said that we can print our way out of a default
Neither candidate bodes very well for our future
Unless SCOTUS actually does overturn Chevron. If that happens it's a brand new ball game.
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Satisfied? Heck, if you read MY POSTS, I am anything but satisfied. If I had the money, I would run for Congress and try to get elected and make a difference. I got elected once to a local position, where I made a huge difference for my community. But at the federal level, it takes hundreds of thousands if not millions to get elected. I do not have that kind of wealth.
I remember like it was yesterday when in 1995, Jamie Whitten, a House member from Mississippi, having served 53 + years retired from Congress, and I said, never heard of the man. Believe me, if I served 10 years in Congress, I would be a household name. There is so much that needs to be done, and this Congress and the Congress for the last 50 years have done little to nothing but be self serving, and ignored the American people. Now, they support ILLEGAL INVADING ALIENS VOTING!!!!!!!! This criminal travesty should NOT be tolerated for a second, let alone be permitted in many of these Democommie controlled areas of our nation. I think the time has come at the federal level to prohibit the voting by anyone NOT a citizen of the USA. Criminal nonsense of the highest level.
And it is time to rebirth the Republican Party, once again restoring it to its conservative roots, with a list of items they place as imperative for the republic to continue, and set that list to gain voting majorities in both houses of Congress. The list should include, but not be limited to:
1. TERM LIMITS. 12 YEARS AND OUT. NO GOLDEN PARACHUTE. A RETIREMENT PROGRAM LIKE ANY 401K THAT PROVIDES A MATCH FOR EVERY DOLLAR INVESTED BY THE ELECTED OFFICIAL. NO SPECIAL HEALTHCARE OR PENSION FOR LIFE AFTER FIVE STINKING YEARS. NONSENSE!!!
2. MANDATORY BALANCED BUDGETS, WITH THE SOLE EXCEPTION BY WHEN CONGRESS DECLARES WAR. That hasn't happened since December, 1941!!!
3. CLOSED BORDERS TO INVADERS. Enough of the idiocy. We do not need 100 more judges, thousands more on the
border. We need an impenetrable wall, and a closed border. You want to come here as a refugee, the ONLY AVENUE is
via application within a US embassy. PERIOD!!! Save hundreds of billions in taxpayer money every year.
4. IMPORTANT TO MAKE HUMAN TRAFFICKING A CAPITAL CRIME. Slavery is alive and well in the USA, and the Biden
Idiocracy in particular is fostering this industry in a huge way.
Also, make the theft of $100,000 or greater a capital crime. (or pick a number) The abuse in the USA is insane. They
used to hang folks for stealing a loaf of bread. In a country with nearly 350 million people, get rid of the worst
criminals. Enough of the nonsense.
Also make election fixing on the federal level a capital crime if beyond a certain scale.
5. Foreign aid for foreign nations requires 2/3rds majority of Congress to approve. Every dollar spent overseas is money out
of the pocket of taxpayers.
6. Develop an approach to make Social Security fully solvent for an indefinite period. Only way I know to do that is begin
individual accounts. Graduate it so those that invested in the current approach do not lose out. Begin with taxing one
percent, index it up by one half of one percent per year until reaching 15%. Begin reducing taxation of the current
formula five years from now, reducing it by one half of one percent per year, and that should greatly help with the
transition. Dollars put in the account can be put into a wide array of investment vehicles, i.e. mutual funds, etc., and
cannot be touched until retirement. One can put into conservative vehicles, and still do better than the current program
of Social Security, which returns about 1 % on one's investment. Long overdue for a fix here. Robert Dole ran for POTUS
claiming he and Congress fixed SSI, when that was a total lie. Gave us one of the highest tax increases ever, sure, but
fix SSI and Medicare? BULLSH*T!!!
7. Redefine what is required to be a citizen of the USA. Being born here is NOT enough. MANDATORY, to be a citizen, you
must have one parent born in the USA. No more folks flying in from China and the four corners of the world, pregnant,
and giving birth here making their child a USA citizen. NONSENSE!!! No more illegal invading aliens coming here,
birthing, and claiming to stay because their child is a USA citizen. NONSENSE!!!
8. New requirements to be POTUS and VPOTUS. Being the attained age of 35 and born in the USA is NOT enough. Age 35
was the average life expectancy when the country was founded. There is NOT a living breathing American age 35 I
would vote to be POTUS. Time to change that. And I say must be born to at least one if not both parents who also were
born in the USA.
And that goes for members of Congress too. No more Ilhan Omars, who supposedly came to the USA illegally, becoming
a member of Congress. That traitor just swore allegiance to Somalia. BULLSH*T!!!!!
9. And any other logical change needed.
Yet another one outta the park @jafo2010 ! 888high58888
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I'm right there with you on all points @jafo2010 except that my guy, and former neighbor, was Ron Paul.
I also was a Paul backer myself. Wrote him in for the 2008 election over McCain
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LMAO,
I basically agree with what you said regarding Trump, and his FAILURE in regard to COVID.
BUT....
Another huge BUT, it was Biden who had a year to formulate a mindset without being on the line for his decisions, and when he took office, what did he do, he made the COVID vaccine MANDATORY for government employees, which opened up the floodgate for corporations to do the same. And long after the pandemic was beginning to settle, Biden spent far greater amounts of money when it was NOT needed, which had a workforce chosing to stay home and collect a government check versus returning to the workforce.
Again, I agree Trump made bad decisions, BUT Biden with the benefit of time, made even worse decisions.
FACT IS, no 3rd party candidate will get more than a couple percent of the vote.
It could be argued that many of the past presidents had some element of evil in their being. This is not a choice between lesser evils, this is a choice between a communist, and a man that does some things conservative, and actually could do things that benefit the American people.
Closing the border or reducing the flow of INVADERS will benefit Americans. Wrecking Ball Joe just got the Republican House majority to agree to allowing 5,000 INVADERS cross our border daily. Please? You want more of that sh*t????????????????????????
So the Republicans own your vote as long as they are a little less destructive than the Democrats. With that position you have no leverage at all to force the Republicans to do anything. The only leverage you have is to withhold your vote in enough numbers that they are forced to listen to you. Otherwise they own you. They talk a good game but do the opposite over and over when elected.
Regarding Trump, he's not shown he's learned anything from his handling of Covid. He still thinks he did a great job. During his "great job" his administration destroyed more people's lives and futures than any President in the last 30+ years. At what point is enough enough? I will not reward that.
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Future? I'm just choosing between past choices. How far do I want to go back - 2016 or 1616?
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https://twitter.com/RyanAFournier/status/1754523041680290158
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So the Republicans own your vote as long as they are a little less destructive than the Democrats. With that position you have no leverage at all to force the Republicans to do anything. The only leverage you have is to withhold your vote in enough numbers that they are forced to listen to you. Otherwise they own you. They talk a good game but do the opposite over and over when elected.
Regarding Trump, he's not shown he's learned anything from his handling of Covid. He still thinks he did a great job. During his "great job" his administration destroyed more people's lives and futures than any President in the last 30+ years. At what point is enough enough? I will not reward that.
The history of Republicans for at least the last twenty years, whether they have a majority or not (https://i.imgur.com/bhpOh1U.gif)
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Satisfied? Heck, if you read MY POSTS, I am anything but satisfied. If I had the money, I would run for Congress and try to get elected and make a difference. I got elected once to a local position, where I made a huge difference for my community. But at the federal level, it takes hundreds of thousands if not millions to get elected. I do not have that kind of wealth.
I read you all the time @jafo2010 ... Yet your rancor is turned in three shakes of a lamb's tail, into a vote for Tumpy, rewarding all those things you rail against, which was what I was pointing out.
I will never understand that.
But then, I am not good at carving out exceptions. And I think choosing either one of those azzoles is the height of lunacy - Either one successfully argued as worse than the other.
That race to the bottom continues, as I used your post to illustrate - Nothing against you particularly in that, just an opportune opening.
It makes no sense to me, when you normally make a lot of sense.
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I don't have a party! At least not on the national level. I'll find out for sure if I still have one at the state level after March 5th. I help people I know and respect only. Not one thin dime goes to "the party"!
Then what are you yelling at me for, when I have done the very same thing?
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So the Republicans own your vote as long as they are a little less destructive than the Democrats. With that position you have no leverage at all to force the Republicans to do anything. The only leverage you have is to withhold your vote in enough numbers that they are forced to listen to you. Otherwise they own you. They talk a good game but do the opposite over and over when elected.
Regarding Trump, he's not shown he's learned anything from his handling of Covid. He still thinks he did a great job. During his "great job" his administration destroyed more people's lives and futures than any President in the last 30+ years. At what point is enough enough? I will not reward that.
EXACTLY right. :beer:
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Then what are you yelling at me for, when I have done the very same thing?
No! You have not! I will vote in every race I'm entitled to!
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No! You have not! I will vote in every race I'm entitled to!
AHHH. So I MUST choose between Tumpy and Buydem, eh?
Then we are right back to what profit is there in that?
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So the Republicans own your vote as long as they are a little less destructive than the Democrats. With that position you have no leverage at all to force the Republicans to do anything. The only leverage you have is to withhold your vote in enough numbers that they are forced to listen to you. Otherwise they own you. They talk a good game but do the opposite over and over when elected.
Regarding Trump, he's not shown he's learned anything from his handling of Covid. He still thinks he did a great job. During his "great job" his administration destroyed more people's lives and futures than any President in the last 30+ years. At what point is enough enough? I will not reward that.
And that is my position this election. We’re on a very unsustainable path and neither Biden or Trump are remotely interested in correcting any of that. In fact, Trump attacks other Republicans who try to address these issues.
But @jafo2010 does defend his position and outlines his reasoning without any personal attacks on other members or being reduced to “orange man rude” comments and I respect his position, even if I personally choose to take a different route
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AHHH. So I MUST choose between Tumpy and Buydem, eh?
Then we are right back to what profit is there in that?
You don't HAVE to do a damned thing but you certainly should.
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You don't HAVE to do a damned thing but you certainly should.
Why, when I am so adamantly against them both?
I have no dog in this hunt.
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Why, when I am so adamantly against them both?
I have no dog in this hunt.
Wrong! You absolutely do have a dog in the hunt whether you like it or not.
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Wrong! You absolutely do have a dog in the hunt whether you like it or not.
No, I do not. From this point onward, the outcome is without a difference. And either which way, the same dang thi.ng
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FWIW:
Steve Deace
@SteveDeaceShow
I'm not here to argue one way or the other. I am done beating my head against a wall over Trump. It is what it is. His awful final year in office, with some of the worst and most damaging decisions in the history of this nation many are still suffering for, sadly earned scorn and contempt. However, there is no doubt the three years he was in office before that we were so much better off than we are right now. And thus he has earned much of the loyalty he still has for that now.
Most days his antics and narcissism have long nauseated me. His grift corps utterly disgusts me. But those things don't matter nearly as much to me as results. Results like...
Mortgage payments are double what they were under Trump. Everything is more expensive. We were energy independent, now we are energy depleted. We had unprecedented peace in the Middle East, now we are siting on powder keg Iran is trying and Biden is funding them to erupt. Not to mention the next president could select both Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito's replacements.
Finally, there are good people who could very well go to prison for wrongthink if Trump loses. Like our own @TPC4USA and 11 pro-lifers charged just last week.
I'm not here to argue either way. I understand the disdain principled people have for Trump. I really do. He hurt people in 2020 and isn't sorry for it. People whose family businesses will never return from his lockdowns, and loved ones will never return from his Operation Warp Speed. And the cult of personality around him, and its junior varsity version of Game of Thrones it pretends to play, while slobbering over fearless leader, is some of the most un-populist crap I've ever seen -- despite its branding to the contrary.
But for me, this isn't about them. It's not about my feelings about him or them. Nor is it about him. It's about those who will suffer from giving this current demonically-inspired regime another day of power that I can't stop thinking about.
In true me fashion, what I wrote here will anger both sides of the Trump debate on the Right, who either want him vilified or venerated. But I'm a big boy and know that comes with the territory when you get paid to say what you think. And what I think is Trump helped them devastate this country his final year in office, and deserves all the disdain he earned with his own decisions during that time. Especially as long as he refuses to show any humility towards that. But I also think they will devastate it all the more if we give them four more years to do so. I didn't want this choice. I did everything I could to have a better one. But Fox-BoomerCon thought differently and always gets its way.
It's not up to me to tell you how to vote. And you don't owe any candidate or party your vote. You get to make them earn it or not however you see fit. Just wanted to be transparent as I always try to be about where I am coming, and share my own conscience on the matter. Feel free to do with it, or not, what you will.
8:19 PM · Feb 6, 2024
I suspect that some of us here feel the same way, at least in part.
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But for me, this isn't about them. It's not about my feelings about him or them. Nor is it about him. It's about those who will suffer from giving this current demonically-inspired regime another day of power that I can't stop thinking about.
:amen: :amen: and :amen:
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"Mortgage payments are double what they were under Trump. Everything is more expensive."
Trump set much of that in motion by massive spending of money out of thin air. You can't print dollars backed by nothing, they weren't even borrowed dollars, and not reduce the value of the dollar. He even demanded zero interest rates - free money for everyone...
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"Mortgage payments are double what they were under Trump. Everything is more expensive."
Trump set much of that in motion by massive spending of money out of thin air. You can't print dollars backed by nothing, they weren't even borrowed dollars, and not reduce the value of the dollar. He even demanded zero interest rates - free money for everyone...
And he’s running on doing even more of the above
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:amen: :amen: and :amen:
Nope. Same old false arguments
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Nope. Same old false arguments
What exactly is false about it?
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What exactly is false about it?
It's a mile long water boarding, disguised as reason, that boils down to Repulican better than Democrat, no matter what... same old song as always, and it's still bullcrap.
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It's a mile long water boarding, disguised as reason, that boils down to Repulican better than Democrat, no matter what... same old song as always, and it's still bullcrap.
**nononono*
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**nononono*
YES. Reward the greatest Republican loss of treasure and liberty IN HISTORY with four more years. No need to punish that, because Democrats.
There is no way either of these morons should be president... the race to the bottom continues.
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There is no way either of these morons should be president... the race to the bottom continues.
Agreed! But one of them will be despite our protestations! You say it doesn't matter and I vehemently disagree! I'll take another Trump term over another Biden/Obama term every day of the week!
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It isn't really a Trump/counterTrump thread. It's really a fact vs illogic thread and they can attack me all they want.
John Adams
You don't fight with the army you wish you had, you fight with the one you do have!
What army is exactly left standing? Very few Senators and very few Representatives are conservatives. Leadership in both the House and Senate are destructive. The GOP is no longer, nor am I a registered Republican.
The ONLY option that I see is to take Dr. Ron Paul's advice and build this country again from the ground up because there is nothing to build on at the Federal level. It's too corrupt, it's gone. So, that is why I plan on voting down ballot for as many conservatives that there are. Also important to vote for local conservatives; especially on the school board and supervisor of elections, etc.
Again, I think both Trump and Obama will be destructive to this country. Perhaps a glimmer of hope would be Trump picking a very solid conservative as a VP and then stepping away. Other than that, our Republic will crumble under him -- as I said, just at a slower pace than under Obama.
IF Trump picks a solid conservative; being either Noem, Cruz, DeSantis, or Roy, perhaps even Hawley, I would seriously have to take some time and reconsider voting for him. I also believe we're going to be faced with some other ticket other than Biden/Harris.
However, I still stand by my initial thought; vote down ballot for as many conservatives as I can. Both Trump and Obama are destructive to this Republic. Who knows what an unhinged Trump is going to be like.
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What army is exactly left standing? Very few Senators and very few Representatives are conservatives. Leadership in both the House and Senate are destructive. The GOP is no longer, nor am I a registered Republican.
The ONLY option that I see is to take Dr. Ron Paul's advice and build this country again from the ground up because there is nothing to build on at the Federal level. It's too corrupt, it's gone. So, that is why I plan on voting down ballot for as many conservatives that there are. Also important to vote for local conservatives; especially on the school board and supervisor of elections, etc.
Again, I think both Trump and Obama will be destructive to this country. Perhaps a glimmer of hope would be Trump picking a very solid conservative as a VP and then stepping away. Other than that, our Republic will crumble under him -- as I said, just at a slower pace than under Obama.
IF Trump picks a solid conservative; being either Noem, Cruz, DeSantis, or Roy, perhaps even Hawley, I would seriously have to take some time and reconsider voting for him. I also believe we're going to be faced with some other ticket other than Biden/Harris.
However, I still stand by my initial thought; vote down ballot for as many conservatives as I can. Both Trump and Obama are destructive to this Republic. Who knows what an unhinged Trump is going to be like.
I have publicly stated many times that I think we are too far gone now @libertybele and that has not changed but I must try! Not doing so is just not in my DNA.
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I have publicly stated many times that I think we are too far gone now @libertybele and that has not changed but I must try! Not doing so is just not in my DNA.
I understand. In reality, we don't know what the outcome is going to be with states not allowing Trump on the ballot and the felony charges against him. He's not the nominee yet. A lot can still happen.
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If either party could get a decent replacement they'd win in a land slide...
This election has a lot of unknowns that can wildly change the outcome as time marches on.
In short, things are very weird and unpredictable. Like no election before it.
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If either party could get a decent replacement they'd win in a land slide...
This election has a lot of unknowns that can wildly change the outcome as time marches on.
In short, things are very weird and unpredictable. Like no election before it.
Exactly. Right now things are very unpredictable.
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Agreed! But one of them will be despite our protestations! You say it doesn't matter and I vehemently disagree! I'll take another Trump term over another Biden/Obama term every day of the week!
I have to sadly agree. I haven't committed to a vote yet...but the Dems might force me into one.
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If either party could get a decent replacement they'd win in a land slide...
The situation is more precarious with the Republican party because they’re broke
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bele tolls with:
"The ONLY option that I see is to take Dr. Ron Paul's advice and build this country again from the ground up because there is nothing to build on at the Federal level."
That's exactly what I've been posting about in this forum for a few years now, but you seem unable to grasp it.
Perhaps the reason you can't -- and I reckon most other members of the forum can't, as well -- is because it's no longer realistic nor possible to "re-build" the ENTIRE country again "from the ground up".
A good part of it is now "beyond repair" -- because of the people that exist in those parts, and because of what they believe. There is no way that they can ever be "brought back into the fold".
Please take a couple of minutes and read this post I put up last December:
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,520807.msg2955152.html#msg2955152
It's time to do what Levi Zendt had to do to his wagon, with his big saw.
And it's time for that new "Heartland Continental Congress", as well.
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Agreed! But one of them will be despite our protestations! You say it doesn't matter and I vehemently disagree! I'll take another Trump term over another Biden/Obama term every day of the week!
Big government socialism on all sides. All sides spending money as fast as they can print it. Thousands upon thousands of businesses destroyed. Soon there won't be a game left to play.
At some point, someone is going to have to vote for sanity. But it ain't now. or yet, I guess.
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bele tolls with:
"The ONLY option that I see is to take Dr. Ron Paul's advice and build this country again from the ground up because there is nothing to build on at the Federal level."
That's exactly what I've been posting about in this forum for a few years now, but you seem unable to grasp it.
Perhaps the reason you can't -- and I reckon most other members of the forum can't, as well -- is because it's no longer realistic nor possible to "re-build" the ENTIRE country again "from the ground up".
A good part of it is now "beyond repair" -- because of the people that exist in those parts, and because of what they believe. There is no way that they can ever be "brought back into the fold".
Please take a couple of minutes and read this post I put up last December:
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,520807.msg2955152.html#msg2955152
It's time to do what Levi Zendt had to do to his wagon, with his big saw.
And it's time for that new "Heartland Continental Congress", as well.
IF we take FL for an example (at least for now) that is a functioning conservative state -- it's already been revived. We were a blue state for a very long time.
Washington DC, Congress is broken. There is no fixing it.
The entire country? No I don't expect the entire country to be rebuilt over night.
I see your point, but there are still part of this country that are viable, workable and can be built upon.
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IF we take FL for an example (at least for now) that is a functioning conservative state -- it's already been revived. We were a blue state for a very long time.
Washington DC, Congress is broken. There is no fixing it.
The entire country? No I don't expect the entire country to be rebuilt over night.
I see your point, but there are still part of this country that are viable, workable and can be built upon.
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This is gonna have to be built from the ground up in the individual states
This is like what Texas is doing to try to protect itself from invasion, despite the federal government standing in the way
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DB...
If either party could get a decent replacement they'd win in a land slide...
This election has a lot of unknowns that can wildly change the outcome as time marches on.
In short, things are very weird and unpredictable. Like no election before it.
I could not more disagree.
1st line - all fantasy!!! REALITY indicated it is Trump and Biden or Big Mike. I had planned to vote for someone else, but there is no one else left. They all bailed!!! I would not vote Haley for dogcatcher. Like Obama, she has done nothing I am impressed with. NOTHING!!!
2nd line - absolutely NOT true!!! The only unknown is will the Democommies have the brass to push Biden aside? I say no, unless it get DRAMATICALLY WORSE than present gaffs/daily. Sadly, the idiot Dems haven't been alarmed enough to pull the fire alarm YET!!! The man stands on stage like he has been teleported somewhere totally foreign and he is clueless what direction to head, and they still praise the fool. Ugggh! So, maybe a fast ball comes at the convention, or the bimbo DR Jill grows a conscience, not likely. I say they stick with the PERFECT STOOGE and keep Biden. Heck, he won without really campaigning last time. I don't think he needs to campaign or be very visible to win. And debate, he can tell Trump to go fly a kite and get away with it.
FACT is, I knew January 7th, 2021 that Trump had a 95% chance of being the candidate in 2024, and I NEVER imagined the primary elections would be over with New Hampshire. And in regard to Biden, I thought he was not mentally fit to serve in public office from his first day as senator let alone as VP and then POTUS. He is a pathological liar, and dumb as a box of rocks. being frail and dead from the neck up as a senior has not improved the POS!!!
Things are incredibly predictable. Only way I see this comedy changing is if one of these two drops dead, naturally or otherwise. And while idiot Bill Maher thinks the Dems can pick someone at the convention and win, I say nonsense. 1968 is a case in point. Hubert Humphrey (after Robert Kennedy was out of the picture) ran a campaign and lost. It takes time to win the hearts of many people who are not quick to give their vote to a candidate. I think in part that is why we have so many Independents today. They do not like the typical candidate put forth by either party, and don't like the NOTHING POLICIES we have seen for the better part of 50 years+. And the numbers of Independents are much higher today than in 1968!!!!
Only thing true is that this is not much like any election in my lifetime. Usually, we were well into the primaries before it was determined who would be the candidate. Did anyone seriously think Biden would take the Dems in 2020 before the Iowa caucus? I don't think so.
And last but not least, the fixing of elections. If you believe they are honest, you think the best, but I believe they are clearly and definitively fixed. And I think those that fixed 2020 will be more blatant in 2024. And for extreme demonstration, let's say they are ten times more extreme and blatant to pick a number. You think the Supreme Court is going to weigh in with all the same characters with the addition of Katanji Brown Jackson and declare the election was rigged? Hell no, not under the POS Bush appointee Roberts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jackson probably still doesn't know what a woman is!!!!!!!!!!
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And on the issue of 3rd party, no 3rd party candidate will get elected again, unless they are one of the greatest celebrities of all time.
Lincoln won, became the 1st Republican to be POTUS.
BUT, huge BUT, the Dems were split and had two candidates run, and there was a 4th candidate. And, all four candidates received Electoral College votes. This was a very unique election, not to be repeated, perhaps ever.
I say Trump could get 90% of the vote and still lose when the ones and zeroes are adjusted in the dark hours of the night following election day, just like 2020!!!!!!!
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