The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: truth_seeker on June 23, 2018, 10:36:05 pm
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As Critics Assail Trump, His Supporters Dig In Deeper
LEESBURG, Va. — Gina Anders knows the feeling well by now. President Trump says or does something that triggers a spasm of outrage. She doesn’t necessarily agree with how he handled the situation. She gets why people are upset.
But Ms. Anders, 46, a Republican from suburban Loudoun County, Va., with a law degree, a business career, and not a stitch of “Make America Great Again†gear in her wardrobe, is moved to defend him anyway.
“All nuance and all complexity — and these are complex issues — are completely lost,†she said, describing “overblown†reactions from the president’s critics, some of whom equated the Trump administration’s policy of separating migrant children and parents to history’s greatest atrocities.
“It makes me angry at them, which causes me to want to defend him to them more,†Ms. Anders said.
In interviews across the country over the last few days, dozens of Trump voters, as well as pollsters and strategists, described something like a bonding experience with the president that happens each time Republicans have to answer a now-familiar question: “How can you possibly still support this man?†Their resilience suggests a level of unity among Republicans that could help mitigate Mr. Trump’s low overall approval ratings and aid his party’s chances of keeping control of the House of Representatives in November.
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“He’s not a perfect guy; he does some stupid stuff,†said Tony Schrantz, 50, of Lino Lakes, Minn., the owner of a water systems leak detection business. “But when they’re hounding him all the time it just gets old. Give the guy a little.â€
Republican voters repeatedly described an instinctive, protective response to the president, and their support has grown in recent months: Mr. Trump’s approval rating among Republicans is now about 90 percent. And while polling has yet to capture the effect of the last week’s immigration controversy, the only modern Republican president more popular with his party than Mr. Trump at this point in his first term, according to Gallup, was George W. Bush after the country united in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks.
Mr. Trump has also retained support across a range of demographics other than the working-class voters who are most identified with him. This includes portions of the wealthy college-educated people in swing counties, like Virginia’s Loudoun, in the country’s most politically competitive states.
Many of these voters say their lives and the country are improving under his presidency, and the endless stream of tough cable news coverage and bad headlines about Mr. Trump only galvanizes them further — even though some displayed discomfort on their faces when asked about the child separation policy, and expressed misgivings about the president’s character.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/23/us/politics/republican-voters-trump.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/23/us/politics/republican-voters-trump.html)
NYT of all publications MUST be more judiciously excerpted. Thank You.
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As a white college grad voter, I note the ongoing condescension towards Trump's supporters.
Keep it up. Hasn't worked yet, however. But from where Trump's detractors heads are located, they can't see or hear a thing.
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I'm not being sarcastic when I say that the 'Resolve' of the majority of Trumpers here is, without question, beyond what I ever would have expected.
It's a tough job, but someone's got to do it.
:beer:
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As a white college grad voter, I note the ongoing condescension towards Trump's supporters.
Keep it up. Hasn't worked yet, however. But from where Trump's detractors heads are located, they can't see or hear a thing.
Dude..... do you not even see the irony of what you just said???
You just, in spades, showed derision (much worse than mere condescension) towards anti-Trump members here. What the hell? Are you totally unself-aware of your own hypocrisy, or what?
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I'm not being sarcastic when I say that the 'Resolve' of the majority of Trumpers here is, without question, beyond what I ever would have expected.
It's a tough job, but someone's got to do it.
:beer:
After careful analysis, attendance at a March 2016 Trump rally, I decided to become a Trump supporter. I remain so now. He seemed to be the only candidate that could fight to win the nomination, and to then defeat Clinton. I was fed up by half-measure efforts by Dole, McCain, Romney. (My earlier favorites were Governors Walker and Perry) I had learned my 3rd party lesson with Perot in 1992.
So far I am satisfied with my choice.
I didn't expect it to be pretty or perfect.
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Do I really like the fact that Trump is President? Not really, but he is a reaction to all the years of useless milquetoast Republican candidates.
I feel like I have no choice but to defend Trump, because he certainly is right on most of the issues that matter, and just the fact that he seems to have a bit of fight in him, even if at times his methods aren't effective, makes him the best we've got. And the more they attack, the more I'm inclined to defend him.
You don't go to war with the army you want, you go to war with the army you have, and Trump is the army we have.
Who else is there, anyway?
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truth seeker wrote:
"After careful analysis, attendance at a March 2016 Trump rally, I decided to become a Trump supporter. I remain so now. He seemed to be the only candidate that could fight to win the nomination, and to then defeat Clinton. I was fed up by half-measure efforts by Dole, McCain, Romney. (My earlier favorites were Governors Walker and Perry) I had learned my 3rd party lesson with Perot in 1992.
So far I am satisfied with my choice.
I didn't expect it to be pretty or perfect."
Repeated because that pretty much sums up my reasons for supporting Mr. Trump from early on in 2016.
I stated back then, and stand by my statements today, that NO OTHER REPUBLICAN could have beaten Clinton. Not the wishy-washy mealy-mouthed ones, and certainly not Ted Cruz (regardless of whether he was "conservative enough" for you or not, he just didn't have the personality that could have o'er-ridden o'er-the-hillary).
Mr. Trump won because enough of "the deplorables" in the purple-battleground states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin turned out at the polls.
NO other candidate had enough horsepower to motivate these folks as did Mr. Trump.
He had the money, the rhetoric (MAGA), and the chutzpah (NY style, whether you like it or not) to win.
And... he did.
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Do I really like the fact that Trump is President? Not really, but he is a reaction to all the years of useless milquetoast Republican candidates.
I feel like I have no choice but to defend Trump, because he certainly is right on most of the issues that matter, and just the fact that he seems to have a bit of fight in him, even if at times his methods aren't effective, makes him the best we've got. And the more they attack, the more I'm inclined to defend him.
You don't go to war with the army you want, you go to war with the army you have, and Trump is the army we have.
Who else is there, anyway?
Yes... but..... you apparently (See: Truthseeker's comment below) automatically become a "head-up-butt detractor" if or when you dare to criticize anything he says, tweets, crawfishes on or approves of.
Enjoy! Embrace the suck. I am anti-leftist but that sure as hell doesn't mean I have to approve of and applaud everything Trump does and says.
And quite honestly... I can put up with and deal with Trump's antics far better than I can with some of the attitudes expressed here by Trump acolytes against anyone NOT fully committed to being on that Trump-train. If you dare to use logic, reason and discernment re: what he is actually doing.... you are apparently not worthy of having an opinion....(since it differs). It gets really old.
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@truth_seeker, @dfwgator I understand and respect that in both of you and the other Trumpers here also, valiant warriors most of ya and though we clash at times I still consider yall my Friend.
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I'm not being sarcastic when I say that the 'Resolve' of the majority of Trumpers here is, without question, beyond what I ever would have expected.
It's a tough job, but someone's got to do it.
:beer:
Tough? I'll tell you what's tough. Allowing conditions for more jobs is tough. Dealing with egomaniacal leaders is tough. Contending with a hostile government you're said to lead is tough. Seeing your loved ones dragged through the trash press is tough.
I'll give you tough.
@NotTheRealDonalTrump
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And the more they attack, the more I'm inclined to defend him.
INDEFENSIBLE.
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Dude..... do you not even see the irony of what you just said???
You just, in spades, showed derision (much worse than mere condescension) towards anti-Trump members here. What the hell? Are you totally unself-aware of your own hypocrisy, or what?
There is a big universe of Trump's detractors. I had them all in mind. I Sorry that YOU decided to infer I was directing it to Briefers.
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There is a big universe of Trump's detractors. I had them all in mind. I Sorry that YOU decided to infer I was directing it to Briefers.
Well... I had just read corbe's comment and it said "here" (as in... on this forum). So I guess I took it or interpreted it to mean "here" too. Sorry for my rant, but it just struck me wrong. And there's a lot of us here that aren't in either camp .... solidly. Can we just be called free-thinkers... instead of the silly nic-names? :laugh:
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Yes... but..... you apparently (See: Truthseeker's comment below) automatically become a "head-up-butt detractor" if or when you dare to criticize anything he says, tweets, crawfishes on or approves of. ....
I don't want to speak for @truth_seeker but I think he's saying keep bashing the President, keep bashing his supporters and bond between the two grows stronger. And anyone (not just Briefers) who cannot see that have their heads up their butts. (BTW, the words you put in quotes are not what TS posted)
It's not about the bullshit fallback that no one can criticize *anything* the President says or does @XenaLee The post and the essay are talking about criticizing *everything* the President says or does ... it's the relentless lies and beatings aimed at the President that are pulling his supporters closer to him.
Personally, if this is the dynamic, then I give every NTer everywhere my blessings to keep at it. :smokin:
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I don't want to speak for @truth_seeker but I think he's saying keep bashing the President, keep bashing his supporters and bond between the two grows stronger. And anyone (not just Briefers) who cannot see that have their heads up their butts. (BTW, the words you put in quotes are not what TS posted)
It's not about the bullshit fallback that no one can criticize *anything* the President says or does @XenaLee The post and the essay are talking about criticizing *everything* the President says or does ... it's the relentless lies and beatings aimed at the President that are pulling his supporters closer to him.
Personally, if this is the dynamic, then I give every NTer everywhere my blessings to keep at it. :smokin:
Oh naturally. You've already proven over and above how you care nothing for winning the hearts and minds of voters that have many qualms about Trump..... voters that may still be "on the fence" and unsure. Which is (not surprisingly, mind you) pretty damned stupid.... considering that Trump is going to need every non-leftist vote he can get this November and again in 2020. See where continuing to insult those folks and/or taking them for granted gets ya.
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@Right_in_Virginia @XenaLee
I posted an article, and later clarified how I became a Trump supporter. I follow SEVERAL thoughtful people, with mature analysis of this presidency. Scott Adams and Victor Davis Hanson to name just a couple.
But this is the great age of "self indentification" If someone self-identifies as a particular category or quality, they mjust accept barbs from time tto time.
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@Right_in_Virginia @XenaLee
I posted an article, and later clarified how I became a Trump supporter. I follow SEVERAL thoughtful people, with mature analysis of this presidency. Scott Adams and Victor Davis Hanson to name just a couple.
But this is the great age of "self indentification" If someone self-identifies as a particular category or quality, they mjust accept barbs from time tto time.
I self-identify as a far-right anti-leftist card-carrying conservative. If anyone wants to throw barbs at that, I couldn't possibly care less. So there. ^-^
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Do I really like the fact that Trump is President? Not really, but he is a reaction to all the years of useless milquetoast Republican candidates.
I feel like I have no choice but to defend Trump, because he certainly is right on most of the issues that matter, and just the fact that he seems to have a bit of fight in him, even if at times his methods aren't effective, makes him the best we've got. And the more they attack, the more I'm inclined to defend him.
You don't go to war with the army you want, you go to war with the army you have, and Trump is the army we have.
Who else is there, anyway?
Amen!!! Excellent post. Exactly --- he's the best we've got standing between keeping this country or losing her. You bet ya, the more 'they' attack, the more I too am inclined to defend him!!!
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I self-identify as a far-right anti-leftist card-carrying conservative. If anyone wants to throw barbs at that, I couldn't possibly care less. So there. ^-^
Good to know. :laugh:
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I don't want to speak for @truth_seeker but I think he's saying keep bashing the President, keep bashing his supporters and bond between the two grows stronger. And anyone (not just Briefers) who cannot see that have their heads up their butts. (BTW, the words you put in quotes are not what TS posted)
It's not about the bullshit fallback that no one can criticize *anything* the President says or does @XenaLee The post and the essay are talking about criticizing *everything* the President says or does ... it's the relentless lies and beatings aimed at the President that are pulling his supporters closer to him.
Personally, if this is the dynamic, then I give every NTer everywhere my blessings to keep at it. :smokin:
The highlighted part above is a 'TO' way street @Right_in_Virginia There are many of us in here that really question the stability of anyone that cannot criticize *anything* he does. JS
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I'm not being sarcastic when I say that the 'Resolve' of the majority of Trumpers here is, without question, beyond what I ever would have expected.
It's a tough job, but someone's got to do it.
:beer:
When you see a man who's trying to help the country being abused, his wife being abused, his young son being abused, it's not tough at all to have a negative reaction against those abusers.
Besides their wimmen are ugly and vulgar.
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The highlighted part above is a 'TO' way street @Right_in_Virginia There are many of us in here that really question the stability of anyone that cannot criticize *anything* he does. JS
Don't be a jerk, @corbe How about the stability of those who criticize everything he does?
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Oh naturally. You've already proven over and above how you care nothing for winning the hearts and minds of voters that have many qualms about Trump..... voters that may still be "on the fence" and unsure. Which is (not surprisingly, mind you) pretty damned stupid.... considering that Trump is going to need every non-leftist vote he can get this November and again in 2020. See where continuing to insult those folks and/or taking them for granted gets ya.
I am SO damn sick and tired of this tedious, snowflake encrusted :bs:
This crap threat does not work with me. But feel free to waste your time.
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The highlighted part above is a 'TO' way street @Right_in_Virginia There are many of us in here that really question the stability of anyone that cannot criticize *anything* he does. JS
Piss off, ah ... please. :beer:
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I am SO damn sick and tired of this tedious, snowflake encrusted :bs:
This crap threat does not work with me. But feel free to waste your time.
Oh trust me.... I know only too well how that logic (foreign concept to you, apparently) doesn't work with you. You (again) have demonstrated that here perfectly. Which is.... exactly why I mentioned it. And....I have plenty of time to waste here on this forum....since... I'm retired, after all.
I'll say it again.... your attitude and that of a few others does more damage to the potential support of those "on the fencers" or even those that are not Trump supporters....
than any stupid tweet or comment he makes could ever do.
Just sayin.....
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I am SO damn sick and tired of this tedious, snowflake encrusted :bs:
This crap threat does not work with me. But feel free to waste your time.
:amen: Again people, you have two choices: you can either be part of the movement to restore our country and retain its sovereignty or you can be part of the movement to destroy this country and give away its sovereignty.
I opt for restoration and stand with President Trump. Indeed, he is far from perfect and has some character flaws but so far he is leading the fight to take our country back.
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Don't be a jerk, @corbe How about the stability of those who criticize everything he does?
My point exactly @Emjay after the Election I noticed quite a few hard core NT'ers disappeared as well as a few Trumpers. The exception was the Nt'ers accounts say BANNED whereas the Trumpers accounts say Inactive. Sure they were probably azzholes but Myst has done a hell of a job keeping the Balance here and for the couple of 'hard core' Nt'ers left here there are also a couple of 'hard core' Trumpers, It's all good as I mentioned in an earlier post.
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My point exactly @Emjay after the Election I noticed quite a few hard core NT'ers disappeared as well as a few Trumpers. The exception was the Nt'ers accounts say BANNED whereas the Trumpers accounts say Inactive. Sure they were probably azzholes but Myst has done a hell of a job keeping the Balance here and for the couple of 'hard core' Nt'ers left here there are also a couple of 'hard core' Trumpers, It's all good as I mentioned in an earlier post.
Hear, hear! I concur. :beer:
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Republicans appear to have developed more forgiving views on morality and public service in recent years, for example. In 2011, one in three Republicans thought an elected official who commits immoral acts in private life could act ethically in public life, according to a Public Religion Research Institute/Brookings survey. By 2016, seven out of 10 did.
Amazing. Dare I say, a friggin' miracle, for that change of heart.
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:amen: Again people, you have two choices: you can either be part of the movement to restore our country and retain its sovereignty or you can be part of the movement to destroy this country and give away its sovereignty.
I opt for restoration and stand with President Trump. Indeed, he is far from perfect and has some character flaws but so far he is leading the fight to take our country back.
No. A false dichotomy. There are many more than two choices.
To suggest this vulgar movement, arrayed behind an habitual liar, who won his place through much the same indefensible slander and libel as he is now facing - To suggest supporting as much is unhinged to the point of hilarity.
Believe him at your peril.
Utterly_indefensible.
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Another @Emjay inspired poll http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321623.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321623.0.html) @Freya
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Another @Emjay inspired poll http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321623.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321623.0.html) @Freya
Uh.... you need to add another choice or three.
The jury is still out, yet to be seen, verdict unknown.
He sucks big ones.... or, rather... the biggest ones!
Oye ve! What was I thinking... voting for that scmuck????
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Uh.... you need to add another choice or three.
The jury is still out, yet to be seen, verdict unknown.
He sucks big ones.... or, rather... the biggest ones!
Oye ve! What was I thinking... voting for that scmuck????
Myst has in the past shut down my polls with those options.
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Myst has in the past shut down my polls with those options.
Whaa??? No sense of humor! (harumph)
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No. A false dichotomy. There are many more than two choices.
Such as?
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I don't want to speak for @truth_seeker but I think he's saying keep bashing the President, keep bashing his supporters and bond between the two grows stronger. And anyone (not just Briefers) who cannot see that have their heads up their butts. (BTW, the words you put in quotes are not what TS posted)
It's not about the bullshit fallback that no one can criticize *anything* the President says or does @XenaLee The post and the essay are talking about criticizing *everything* the President says or does ... it's the relentless lies and beatings aimed at the President that are pulling his supporters closer to him.
Personally, if this is the dynamic, then I give every NTer everywhere my blessings to keep at it. :smokin:
@Right_in_Virginia
Hey how about this...how about you have a millisecond of intellectual honesty and tell us one time where you’ve criticized ANYTHING trump has done. Until you can do that, you don’t have a scrap of credibility to lecture anyone here. You’re just another mindless sycophant.
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Don't be so modest @Axeslinger tell her how you really feel.
Incidentally, she will NEVER answer your question.
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My point exactly @Emjay after the Election I noticed quite a few hard core NT'ers disappeared as well as a few Trumpers. The exception was the Nt'ers accounts say BANNED whereas the Trumpers accounts say Inactive. Sure they were probably azzholes but Myst has done a hell of a job keeping the Balance here and for the couple of 'hard core' Nt'ers left here there are also a couple of 'hard core' Trumpers, It's all good as I mentioned in an earlier post.
Mystery is beyond great. I don't know how she puts up with us, especially you @corbe ... only kidding. You are one of the NTers I haven't banned because you often say something funny.
I think as long as the rabid NTers avoid personal attacks and insults, they are safe. But your numbers are wrong about the number of 'hard core' NTers. I'll get back to you on that.
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Mystery is beyond great. I don't know how she puts up with us, especially you @corbe ... only kidding. You are one of the NTers I haven't banned because you often say something funny.
I think as long as the rabid NTers avoid personal attacks and insults, they are safe. But your numbers are wrong about the number of 'hard core' NTers. I'll get back to you on that.
OKay, I have 8 loathsome, boring NTers on ignore and I have 2 women I just can't stand on ignore, so I would say two Trump devotees and 8 NTers.
Sometimes all I see are blank pages but I like it that way.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Hey how about this...how about you have a millisecond of intellectual honesty and tell us one time where you’ve criticized ANYTHING trump has done. Until you can do that, you don’t have a scrap of credibility to lecture anyone here. You’re just another mindless sycophant.
In all candor @Axeslinger I have come to enjoy watching you beg me in your uniquely self-righteous, yet repetitive, huffs.
They have become wonderfully entertaining. Thank you for the respite from all the troubling news of the day. :bighug:
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Such as?
Such as: Not my circus, not my monkey.
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I think the Trump supporters are members of a cult. There is no reasoning with them as their minds are closed, so I don't try.
The country has survived in spite of who occupies the WH and it will survive the present occupant.. :shrug:
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I think the Trump supporters are members of a cult. There is no reasoning with them as their minds are closed, so I don't try.
The country has survived in spite of who occupies the WH and it will survive the present occupant.. :shrug:
That's right.
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I think the Trump supporters are members of a cult. There is no reasoning with them as their minds are closed, so I don't try.
The country has survived in spite of who occupies the WH and it will survive the present occupant.. :shrug:
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That's right.
I find this jacket appropos for you two.
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I didn't think that was too cute. She opened the door to speculation about what she doesn't care about. You don't put on an article of clothing with a statement unless you are trying to make a statement! I totally get that being FLOTUS makes you a public personality, sometimes unwanted attention but wearing the coat is an attention getter.
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Two points. One, I like Donald Trump, I think he’s got a great personality and two, I support the actions of the president. Now, say goodnight, Gracie.
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I think the Trump supporters are members of a cult. There is no reasoning with them as their minds are closed, so I don't try.
As has been said often of the NeverTrumps :shrug:
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As has been said often of the NeverTrumps :shrug:
@Right_in_Virginia
Despite the fact that many (most?) of us have stipulated multiple times things that Trump has done that we agree with and support. And yet, you, in all your sycophantic glory are incapable or doing the same. And you have the gall to cast aspersions? Pot meet kettle. Daily, you reduce yourself to further ridicule.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Despite the fact that many (most?) of us have stipulated multiple times things that Trump has done that we agree with and support. And yet, you, in all your sycophantic glory are incapable or doing the same. And you have the gall to cast aspersions? Pot meet kettle. Daily, you reduce yourself to further ridicule.
Hey! Good morning, sunshine. Still begging and huffing @Axeslinger . Perfect. 88devil
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Lol.... this thread is like a sitcom re-run. You know you've seen it all a million times before....(ok, maybe a hundred times)...
but it's still funny as hell to watch!
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Lol.... this thread is like a sitcom re-run. You know you've seen it all a million times before....(ok, maybe a hundred times)...
but it's still funny as hell to watch!
:thumbsup:
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Hey! Good morning, sunshine. Still begging and huffing @Axeslinger . Perfect. 88devil
@Right_in_Virginia
Deflect at your own peril there sunshine. You’re the one who has destroyed her reputation and has become an utter and complete joke for the whole community to see.
Sycophant much?
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After careful analysis, attendance at a March 2016 Trump rally, I decided to become a Trump supporter. I remain so now. He seemed to be the only candidate that could fight to win the nomination, and to then defeat Clinton. I was fed up by half-measure efforts by Dole, McCain, Romney. (My earlier favorites were Governors Walker and Perry) I had learned my 3rd party lesson with Perot in 1992.
So far I am satisfied with my choice.
I didn't expect it to be pretty or perfect.
Kudos @truth_seeker You were ahead of the curve. Ahead of my curve, anyway. I didn't become a convert till the morning after the election.
My feeling of relief was so palpable it was like a conversion.
Trump has not let me down and the inchoate rage and nastiness from the left and some so-called conservatives only strengthens my resolve to support Trump until I can't.
So far, Trump is a better person than his critics.
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OKay, I have 8 loathsome, boring NTers on ignore and I have 2 women I just can't stand on ignore, so I would say two Trump devotees and 8 NTers.
Sometimes all I see are blank pages but I like it that way.
Here's a quote from a guy I don't have on ignore because I always liked him, but this is beyond the pale @roamer_1 Roamer insulted all the decent people who support Trump while holding himself out as the good guy.
Offline roamer_1
Hero Member
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"No. A false dichotomy. There are many more than two choices.
To suggest this vulgar movement, arrayed behind an habitual liar, who won his place through much the same indefensible slander and libel as he is now facing - To suggest supporting as much is unhinged to the point of hilarity.
Believe him at your peril.
Utterly_indefensible."
Very disappointed one of the posters I considered one of the good guys.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Deflect at your own peril there sunshine. You’re the one who has destroyed her reputation and has become an utter and complete joke for the whole community to see.
Sycophant much?
Here's your sign @Axeslinger 88devil
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I think the Trump supporters are members of a cult. There is no reasoning with them as their minds are closed, so I don't try.
The country has survived in spite of who occupies the WH and it will survive the present occupant.
But it cannot survive the millions upon millions of fools who make such ego-driven morons their prince and political savior.
That applies to both parties and their cheering hordes who see the presidency as a throne to be won and absolute rule by diktat applied.
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Such as: Not my circus, not my monkey.
In other words, you can't think of anybody.
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Kudos @truth_seeker You were ahead of the curve. Ahead of my curve, anyway. I didn't become a convert till the morning after the election.
My feeling of relief was so palpable it was like a conversion.
Trump has not let me down and the inchoate rage and nastiness from the left and some so-called conservatives only strengthens my resolve to support Trump until I can't.
So far, Trump is a better person than his critics.
I don't claim to be ahead of any curve. On election night I was as surprised as Hillary Clinton !!
Any conservative paying serious attention since the election, would agree he is doing more than could reasonably be expected to accomplish a conservative agenda.
Those that can't aren't
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Here's a quote from a guy I don't have on ignore because I always liked him, but this is beyond the pale @roamer_1 Roamer insulted all the decent people who support Trump while holding himself out as the good guy.
Offline roamer_1
Hero Member
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"No. A false dichotomy. There are many more than two choices.
To suggest this vulgar movement, arrayed behind an habitual liar, who won his place through much the same indefensible slander and libel as he is now facing - To suggest supporting as much is unhinged to the point of hilarity.
Believe him at your peril.
Utterly_indefensible."
Very disappointed one of the posters I considered one of the good guys.
You don't say!
Kudos @truth_seeker You were ahead of the curve. Ahead of my curve, anyway. I didn't become a convert till the morning after the election.
My feeling of relief was so palpable it was like a conversion.
Trump has not let me down and the inchoate rage and nastiness from the left and some so-called conservatives only strengthens my resolve to support Trump until I can't.
So far, Trump is a better person than his critics.
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In other words, you can't think of anybody.
@dfwgator That's the thing. Nobody on either side can think of anybody. All the democrats can do is pray that a savior arises from the loathsome muck in their party. That's why they're spending so much on the futile attempt to elect Beto O'Rourke. He's an attractive looking guy which would bring their total of attractive looking people in the party to one.
I was for Ted Cruz in the primaries, but those Trump haters don't like him either. And they cannot tell you who in that huge list of primary candidates they do like or would support. Pretty dang sad.
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Here's a quote from a guy I don't have on ignore because I always liked him, but this is beyond the pale @roamer_1 Roamer insulted all the decent people who support Trump while holding himself out as the good guy.
Offline roamer_1
Hero Member
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"No. A false dichotomy. There are many more than two choices.
To suggest this vulgar movement, arrayed behind an habitual liar, who won his place through much the same indefensible slander and libel as he is now facing - To suggest supporting as much is unhinged to the point of hilarity.
Believe him at your peril.
Utterly_indefensible."
Very disappointed one of the posters I considered one of the good guys.
You may not like to hear it @Emjay , but it is true, all the same.
I am not going to defend a man against scurrilous lies when he is guilty of those same scurrilous lies himself - It is a pointless and indefensible exercise.
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@dfwgator That's the thing. Nobody on either side can think of anybody. All the democrats can do is pray that a savior arises from the loathsome muck in their party.
The sad fact is that politics in this country has gotten to the point where nobody with an ounce of sanity would want to even get involved in politics these days. It's not worth it, if you can do well in the private sector.
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In other words, you can't think of anybody.
I don't have to think of anybody. What does that have to do with anything?
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I don't have to think of anybody. What does that have to do with anything?
@roamer_1 You may not like to hear it, but we live in the real world. You cannot accept Trump because you think he is a liar.
This country has a system wherein we have a President, a Congress and a Court system.
You excoriate Trump so you must want someone else ... just trying to figure out who would suit you??
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I'm dug in deeper than a tick on a dogs ass. With the left and Nt's out to get us I have my war face on. You are either with us or against America,!
Glory glory Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
His truth is marching on......
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@roamer_1 You may not like to hear it, but we live in the real world. You cannot accept Trump because you think he is a liar.
No, @Emjay - I don't think he's a liar. I KNOW he's a liar, and you do too. I have an open challenge to anyone to find just 10 minutes in any speech wherein he doesn't lie - That challenge has gone unmet since the election, to this very day. Because it can't be done. The only way one can believe otherwise is a deliberate suspension of disbelief, which I will never do.
This country has a system wherein we have a President, a Congress and a Court system.
So what?
You excoriate Trump so you must want someone else ... just trying to figure out who would suit you??
It has nothing at all to do with someone else. There is no choice until '20, so that point is made moot.
It does not follow though, that I am therefore left with no choice at all, and must support Tump. That is ludicrous on its face. I will never HAVE TO 'follow the leader'. That sort of blind loyalty is not deserved by anyone, and hauntingly brings us back to the 'divine right of kings' - A premise so faulty cannot be renewed, and no amount of spin, fake news, and turd polish will make it any better.
I can bend a knee to a sovereign or leader - But that will only happen according to merit, and merit alone. I will not endorse your leader or your team without it, and believe me, that merit is woefully lacking, all the way around. You can be a good lemming, and do as lemmings do if you so desire. That does not mean that I have to.
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I'm dug in deeper than a tick on a dogs ass. With the left and Nt's out to get us I have my war face on. You are either with us or against America,!
Glory glory Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
His truth is marching on......
I'm not particularly a Trumpster by any means, but he IS what's standing between the liberal mental midgets and us. Therefore, I stand WITH this President. This country IS worth fighting for!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69ShK4TYHJk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69ShK4TYHJk)
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No, @Emjay - I don't think he's a liar. I KNOW he's a liar, and you do too. I have an open challenge to anyone to find just 10 minutes in any speech wherein he doesn't lie - That challenge has gone unmet since the election, to this very day. Because it can't be done. The only way one can believe otherwise is a deliberate suspension of disbelief, which I will never do.
So what?
It has nothing at all to do with someone else. There is no choice until '20, so that point is made moot.
It does not follow though, that I am therefore left with no choice at all, and must support Tump. That is ludicrous on its face. I will never HAVE TO 'follow the leader'. That sort of blind loyalty is not deserved by anyone, and hauntingly brings us back to the 'divine right of kings' - A premise so faulty cannot be renewed, and no amount of spin, fake news, and turd polish will make it any better.
I can bend a knee to a sovereign or leader - But that will only happen according to merit, and merit alone. I will not endorse your leader or your team without it, and believe me, that merit is woefully lacking, all the way around. You can be a good lemming, and do as lemmings do if you so desire. That does not mean that I have to.
@roamer_1 I don't know much about your lifestyle and you may be able to live a life off the grid. The rest of us depend on things like jobs and keeping our country safe from illegal aliens and government over-spending. Trump is trying to do something about issues that matter to Americans.
I don't know how virtuous you are but making the kind of judgment you are making about another man is a dangerous proposition in the eyes of God.
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I was struggling to understand your response to Roamer here @Emjay but then you threw G_d into it at the end and that blew me away.
Your slip is showing again.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5c/be/d2/5cbed29c65b0cd098c29423b6a36688e.jpg)
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“All nuance and all complexity — and these are complex issues — are completely lost,†she said, describing “overblown†reactions from the president’s critics, some of whom equated the Trump administration’s policy of separating migrant children and parents to history’s greatest atrocities.
“It makes me angry at them, which causes me to want to defend him to them more,†Ms. Anders said.
It's about damn time I got some credit for all I do for the country. You're welcome Mr. President. :laugh:
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@roamer_1 I don't know much about your lifestyle and you may be able to live a life off the grid. The rest of us depend on things like jobs and keeping our country safe from illegal aliens and government over-spending. Trump is trying to do something about issues that matter to Americans.
I don't know how virtuous you are but making the kind of judgment you are making about another man is a dangerous proposition in the eyes of God.
*****rollingeyes*****
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It's about damn time I got some credit for all I do for the country. You're welcome Mr. President. :laugh:
You are an annoyance?
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I was struggling to understand your response to Roamer here @Emjay but then you threw G_d into it at the end and that blew me away.
Your slip is showing again.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5c/be/d2/5cbed29c65b0cd098c29423b6a36688e.jpg)
@corbe That was wrong and I regretted it the minute I did it. But a lot of these holier than thou people claim to have God on their side and that is just heresy. None of us are perfect.
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! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxAqZv6TMb4#)
Glenn Beck walks off CNN interview.
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By the way @Emjay have you seen the poll that you inspired me to create last night?
Briefers giving President Trump the benefit of the doubt, so far outnumber us vile and retched NT'ers 2 to 1, as I had expected.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321623.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321623.0.html)
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Glenn Beck walks off CNN interview.
The Fake news Network?
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@roamer_1 I don't know much about your lifestyle and you may be able to live a life off the grid. The rest of us depend on things like jobs and keeping our country safe from illegal aliens and government over-spending. Trump is trying to do something about issues that matter to Americans.
ROTFLMAO!!!
No, he's not. He's built a nice place where anything he does or doesn't do has a scapegoat to blame.
And he has villified any press that does not bow to him, and has glorified any press that glorifies him.
How anybody can figure out what's shit and what's apple butter is entirely beyond me.
Their fake news, or his fake news... Same damn difference.
What is true is that you have a liberal president with a cabinet full of Goldmann Sachs imports spending 3T more than Obama did. Everything even remotely conservative is done by EO, making it entirely transitory, and the actual legislation we're stuck with is anything BUT Conservative.
And with the adoration his accolytes have, no matter what he does, he is off the hook... All he has to do is look sad and shake his head, and say 'if it wasn't for [Insert bagholder here], we'd have got it done'... AND YOU'LL BELIEVE HIM.
I don't know how virtuous you are but making the kind of judgment you are making about another man is a dangerous proposition in the eyes of God.
What bloody pap is this @Emjay ? no wonder. without judgement, you'll fall for any ol thing that comes along. OF COURSE Christians are to judge others. What a silly thing to say.
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*****rollingeyes*****
IKR???
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The Fake news Network?
@Wingnut
This thread addresses a NYT story. Maybe you wanna point it out to @truth_seeker
The CNN interview is pertinent to this issue. You might want to watch it.
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You are an annoyance?
pot-kettle
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No, @Emjay - I don't think he's a liar. I KNOW he's a liar, and you do too. I have an open challenge to anyone to find just 10 minutes in any speech wherein he doesn't lie - That challenge has gone unmet since the election, to this very day. Because it can't be done. The only way one can believe otherwise is a deliberate suspension of disbelief, which I will never do.
I don't know what "find just 10 minutes in any speech wherein he doesn't lie" even means. It sounds a bit unhinged, so it's not worth my time.
But here's what matters to most voters: This President is determined to keep his promises, and so far he has a terrific track record. Here's a list just off the top of head --
- Lower taxes
- Fewer stagnating business regulations
- Build up and repair of our military
- Out of the Paris Climate Accord
- Out of the Iran deal
- Out of TPP
- Renegotiated or out of NAFTA
- Staying tough on border security-- against relentless globalist headwinds
- Return of jobs in the private sector
- Obamacare -- but for one vote it would have been history. So now the President is dismantling it
- Fair trade for the American worker (think G7)
- US Capitol in Israel is now in Jerusalem
- Pro-life with a plan.
And the likely taming of Rocket Man is a just wonderful and inspiring surprise.
This is what matters to the President's supporters, both the ones who brought him to the Oval Office and those who will join and help carry him back to it in 2020.
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But Ms. Anders, 46, a Republican from suburban Loudoun County, Va., with a law degree, a business career, and not a stitch of “Make America Great Again†gear in her wardrobe, is moved to defend him anyway.
“All nuance and all complexity — and these are complex issues — are completely lost,†she said, describing “overblown†reactions from the president’s critics, some of whom equated the Trump administration’s policy of separating migrant children and parents to history’s greatest atrocities.
“It makes me angry at them, which causes me to want to defend him to them more,†Ms. Anders said.
This speaks to me. I didn't vote for Trump, but once elected I hoped for the best. The more hysterical the leftists have become the more I wish I had voted for him. Now I find I'm defending him by usually asking "what specific policy is he pursuing that is so bad?".
If he runs in 2020 I'll vote for him.
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I liken it to WWII, we know there must have been millions in the military who hated FDR's guts, but they also knew losing to the Nazis would be a much worse fate.
Same here, the thought of the Democrats gaining power should be hateful to anyone, regardless of how they feel about Trump.
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@Wingnut
This thread addresses a NYT story. Maybe you wanna point it out to @truth_seeker
The CNN interview is pertinent to this issue. You might want to watch it.
Watch it. Hell no
pot-kettle
Madison Liberal- Monroe realist.
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Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you
criticize them you're a mile away and you have their shoes. (unknown quote)
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I liken it to WWII, we know there must have been millions in the military who hated FDR's guts, but they also knew losing to the Nazis would be a much worse fate.
Same here, the thought of the Democrats gaining power should be hateful to anyone, regardless of how they feel about Trump.
The greatest reason I didn't vote for Trump was there was nothing in his history that indicated he would actually try to govern right of center. He was a Rat for most of his life and grew up and did business in a radical left stronghold. His performance so far has been more than a pleasant surprise.
The latest hysteria over illegal immigration is going to break in his favor. Right now the media cartel and the Rats have a lot of people hysterical over "the children", but eventually the truth will come out. We can not take in the 150 million people who want to come here and survive as a nation. We need to control our borders and control the flow of immigrants, middle America understands this.
Also, chasing people out of restaurants protesting at their houses and the PC culture run amok is going to backfire on the leftists. Deep down we all know we could be the next target and we don't like it.
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I am encouraged we have more common sense members, than I had recently thought.
Welcome aboard the common sense train.
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What Trump has done, more than any other politician could have done, is to remove the masks from them and revealed the true enemies of this country that they really are.
They showed flashes of it when W was in office, but the gloves are completely off, now.
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I am encouraged we have more common sense members, than I had recently thought.
Welcome aboard the common sense train.
It's nothing new, some just refused to see.
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I don't know what "find just 10 minutes in any speech wherein he doesn't lie" even means. It sounds a bit unhinged, so it's not worth my time.
ROTFLMAO!!! Yeah right.
But here's what matters to most voters: This President is determined to keep his promises, and so far he has a terrific track record. Here's a list just off the top of head --
- Lower taxes Not proven.
- Fewer stagnating business regulations Some 500 in a field of millions.
- Build up and repair of our military we'll see. Probaly so - he may need to wag the dog
- Out of the Paris Climate Accord Nope.
- Out of the Iran deal Nope.
- Out of TPP Nope.
- Renegotiated or out of NAFTA Nope.
- Staying tough on border security-- against relentless globalist headwinds LOL! Nope.
- Return of jobs in the private sector whee.
- Obamacare -- but for one vote it would have been history. So now the President is dismantling it Nope
- Fair trade for the American worker (think G7) meh. tariffs and trade wars.
- US Capitol in Israel is now in Jerusalem YAY! in an adjunct office of an existing US Property - Easy enough to change.
- Pro-life with a plan. LOL! Yeah right... PLANned Parenthood.
And the likely taming of Rocket Man is a just wonderful and inspiring surprise.
LOL! Not yet true or even foreseen.
This is what matters to the President's supporters, both the ones who brought him to the Oval Office and those who will join and help carry him back to it in 2020.
And if wishes were wings a frog's ass wouldn't bump the ground.
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What Trump has done, more than any other politician could have done, is to remove the masks from them and revealed the true enemies of this country that they really are.
They showed flashes of it when W was in office, but the gloves are completely off, now.
That's it!
We are being given a binary choice go with the radical collectivist left, or go with the populist nationalist right. I may not always agree with the populists, but I sure as heck love my country so I will happily go with the Right which want's to save the Republic.
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ROTFLMAO!!! Yeah right.
- Lower taxes Not proven.
- Fewer stagnating business regulations Some 500 in a field of millions.
- Build up and repair of our military we'll see. Probaly so - he may need to wag the dog
- Out of the Paris Climate Accord Nope.
- Out of the Iran deal Nope.
- Out of TPP Nope.
- Renegotiated or out of NAFTA Nope.
- Staying tough on border security-- against relentless globalist headwinds LOL! Nope.
- Return of jobs in the private sector whee.
- Obamacare -- but for one vote it would have been history. So now the President is dismantling it Nope
- Fair trade for the American worker (think G7) meh. tariffs and trade wars.
- US Capitol in Israel is now in Jerusalem YAY! in an adjunct office of an existing US Property - Easy enough to change.
- Pro-life with a plan. LOL! Yeah right... PLANned Parenthood.
LOL! Not yet true or even foreseen.
And if wishes were wings a frog's ass wouldn't bump the ground.
I only have one question for you. Do you want to be part of the restoration of this country or against it? Right now, like him or not, this President is trying to keep us afloat.
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I only have one question for you. Do you want to be part of the restoration of this country or against it? Right now, like him or not, this President is trying to keep us afloat.
I don't think that's true. This looks like Dubya all over again, only on steroids.
Funny, ain't it, that I don't believe an international globalist, New York City liberal, ain't really changed his spots after all, just because he said he did... That goes directly to his lying all the time. Why do you trust a damn thing he has to say?
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I only have one question for you. Do you want to be part of the restoration of this country or against it? Right now, like him or not, this President is trying to keep us afloat.
I honestly think he's focused exclusively on trying to keep himself afloat. He hasn't gotten Mexico to pay for the wall. He hasn't locked her up. His tariffs are starting a trade war, which isn't good for the country. He's performing lots of deficit spending. Instead of "draining the swamp", he's appointed supposed (per Trump supporters) "Deep State" operators such as Jeff Sessions, Rod Rosenstein, and Christopher Wray.
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I don't think that's true. This looks like Dubya all over again, only on steroids.
Funny, ain't it, that I don't believe an international globalist, New York City liberal, ain't really changed his spots after all, just because he said he did... That goes directly to his lying all the time. Why do you trust a damn thing he has to say?
I was one that spent some time walking the pavement and going door to door to help get "W" re-elected. Yes, he was definitely a disappointment as he did nothing to help curtail the influx of illegal immigrants into this country. However, I don't recall him being as vocal as our current president and pushing for a wall and immigration reform, so, I really can't agree in comparing Trump to "W".
President Trump promised to build a wall. The House who holds the purse strings has refused to give him funding. That is not his fault. He's attempting now to implement different immigration laws and enforce existing law. RINO's and liberal mental midgets are opposing him. IMHO he's making attempts to follow through on his promises where illegal immigration is concerned.
IMHO, the problem lies more so with our Senators and Representatives than with this President. Had they given him the $$$ to build the darn wall as he asked for months ago, I don't think we as a country would be in the current heated discussion of deportation without due process and separating kids from their irresponsible parents as the majority wouldn't be entering this country to begin with!
So ... I choose to stand with this President in his attempts to follow through with what he promised. I'd rather not stand by the RINO's, liberals and MSM in their attempts to derail his attempts.
Meanwhile ... he's got azzholes like Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller trying to take him down with bogus claims of collusion, obstruction and talks of impeachment while Clinton, Bammy and their cronies get a free pass. To me that speaks volumes as to whom I'd rather stand by.
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Lol.... this thread is like a sitcom re-run. You know you've seen it all a million times before....(ok, maybe a hundred times)...
but it's still funny as hell to watch!
I agree...
The reason I like this place is that there are lots of interesting, smart folks here who would be great friends if we never discussed politics... :shrug: :whistle:
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I was one that spent some time walking the pavement and going door to door to help get "W" re-elected. Yes, he was definitely a disappointment as he did nothing to help curtail the influx of illegal immigrants into this country. However, I don't recall him being as vocal as our current president and pushing for a wall and immigration reform, so, I really can't agree in comparing Trump to "W".
President Trump promised to build a wall. The House who holds the purse strings has refused to give him funding. That is not his fault. He's attempting now to implement different immigration laws and enforce existing law. RINO's and liberal mental midgets are opposing him. IMHO he's making attempts to follow through on his promises where illegal immigration is concerned.
IMHO, the problem lies more so with our Senators and Representatives than with this President. Had they given him the $$$ to build the darn wall as he asked for months ago, I don't think we as a country would be in the current heated discussion of deportation without due process and separating kids from their irresponsible parents as the majority wouldn't be entering this country to begin with!
So ... I choose to stand with this President in his attempts to follow through with what he promised. I'd rather not stand by the RINO's, liberals and MSM in their attempts to derail his attempts.
Meanwhile ... he's got azzholes like Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller trying to take him down with bogus claims of collusion, obstruction and talks of impeachment while Clinton, Bammy and their cronies get a free pass. To me that speaks volumes as to whom I'd rather stand by.
Then.... how do you explain his June 22 tweet....
Republicans should stop wasting their time on Immigration until after we elect more Senators and Congressmen/women in November. Dems are just playing games, have no intention of doing anything to solves this decades old problem. We can pass great legislation after the Red Wave!
22,267 replies 24,109 retweets 88,748 likes
Reply 22K Retweet 24K Like 89K
And that is assuming (big assumption, at this point).... that there actually WILL be more GOPers elected to Congress this November. So we're supposed to just wait till then now?
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By the way @Emjay have you seen the poll that you inspired me to create last night?
Briefers giving President Trump the benefit of the doubt, so far outnumber us vile and retched NT'ers 2 to 1, as I had expected.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321623.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321623.0.html)
I participated. It reminded me of TOS
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As Critics Assail Trump, His Supporters Dig In Deeper . . . excepts FReepers and their pockets! #amiright #truthhurts
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Then.... how do you explain his June 22 tweet....
And that is assuming (big assumption, at this point).... that there actually WILL be more GOPers elected to Congress this November. So we're supposed to just wait till then now?
Here's the problem, you can't go by Tweets that you don't like, you can only go by Tweets that you do like. This seems to be the measure for how well things are going.
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By the way @Emjay have you seen the poll that you inspired me to create last night?
Briefers giving President Trump the benefit of the doubt, so far outnumber us vile and retched NT'ers 2 to 1, as I had expected.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321623.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321623.0.html)
By the way, I have to revise my previous list of vile and wretched NTers (as you put it). I had 8 listed. It is now 9.
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ROTFLMAO!!!
No, he's not. He's built a nice place where anything he does or doesn't do has a scapegoat to blame.
And he has villified any press that does not bow to him, and has glorified any press that glorifies him.
How anybody can figure out what's shit and what's apple butter is entirely beyond me.
Their fake news, or his fake news... Same damn difference.
What is true is that you have a liberal president with a cabinet full of Goldmann Sachs imports spending 3T more than Obama did. Everything even remotely conservative is done by EO, making it entirely transitory, and the actual legislation we're stuck with is anything BUT Conservative.
And with the adoration his accolytes have, no matter what he does, he is off the hook... All he has to do is look sad and shake his head, and say 'if it wasn't for [Insert bagholder here], we'd have got it done'... AND YOU'LL BELIEVE HIM.
What bloody pap is this @Emjay ? no wonder. without judgement, you'll fall for any ol thing that comes along. OF COURSE Christians are to judge others. What a silly thing to say.
I apologized for that @roamer_1 but I gotta say you need help. You blandly accuse people who support Trump of being adoring acolytes and get angry when you are called on it.
I am actually sorry for you. So much hate.
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I'm dug in deeper than a tick on a dogs ass. With the left and Nt's out to get us I have my war face on. You are either with us or against America,!
Glory glory Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
His truth is marching on......
Amen, brother @Wingnut Preach it to the choir, baby.
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I don't know what "find just 10 minutes in any speech wherein he doesn't lie" even means. It sounds a bit unhinged, so it's not worth my time.
But here's what matters to most voters: This President is determined to keep his promises, and so far he has a terrific track record. Here's a list just off the top of head --
- Lower taxes
- Fewer stagnating business regulations
- Build up and repair of our military
- Out of the Paris Climate Accord
- Out of the Iran deal
- Out of TPP
- Renegotiated or out of NAFTA
- Staying tough on border security-- against relentless globalist headwinds
- Return of jobs in the private sector
- Obamacare -- but for one vote it would have been history. So now the President is dismantling it
- Fair trade for the American worker (think G7)
- US Capitol in Israel is now in Jerusalem
- Pro-life with a plan.
And the likely taming of Rocket Man is a just wonderful and inspiring surprise.
This is what matters to the President's supporters, both the ones who brought him to the Oval Office and those who will join and help carry him back to it in 2020.
Sorry @Right_in_Virginia but I have to count down to the next post from an NTer wherein they will deny that he has accomplished anything on that list.
And they will add that he has not cured cancer or walked on water.
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I only have one question for you. Do you want to be part of the restoration of this country or against it? Right now, like him or not, this President is trying to keep us afloat.
I told @Right_in_Virginia that someone would tear her list to shreds ... didn't know it would be that quick. What a wacko.
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I apologized for that @roamer_1 but I gotta say you need help. You blandly accuse people who support Trump of being adoring acolytes and get angry when you are called on it.
I am actually sorry for you. So much hate.
Not angry @Emjay , not in the least. And certainly not hateful.
Just calling it as I see it. And I have seen it before. Both with Dubya and with Palin.
SOSDD, except this one is a better con.
A waste of time, and there is damn little time left. But that is when folks start looking for messiahs, I guess.
I just think they should learn someday.
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I told @Right_in_Virginia that someone would tear her list to shreds ... didn't know it would be that quick. What a wacko.
Whacko, eh?
Then prove me wrong.
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I was one that spent some time walking the pavement and going door to door to help get "W" re-elected. Yes, he was definitely a disappointment as he did nothing to help curtail the influx of illegal immigrants into this country. However, I don't recall him being as vocal as our current president and pushing for a wall and immigration reform, so, I really can't agree in comparing Trump to "W".
Yes, Dubya was mouthing sweet nothings about border control and swearing no amnesty. It wasn't till his second term that he started calling us nativists.
President Trump promised to build a wall. The House who holds the purse strings has refused to give him funding. That is not his fault. He's attempting now to implement different immigration laws and enforce existing law. RINO's and liberal mental midgets are opposing him. IMHO he's making attempts to follow through on his promises where illegal immigration is concerned.
He did it to himself - I submit, on purpose. He caused the chaos, and then blames those who won't follow. It doesn't matter if he succeeds or not, just that someone else winds up the bagholder. He is fully inoculated, whether he succeeds or not, he 'wins'.
IMHO, the problem lies more so with our Senators and Representatives than with this President. Had they given him the $$$ to build the darn wall as he asked for months ago, I don't think we as a country would be in the current heated discussion of deportation without due process and separating kids from their irresponsible parents as the majority wouldn't be entering this country to begin with!
We played this same game already, with Duncan Hunter's fence. Why do you suppose a liberal globalist would do it better? It's all kabuki theater.
If you want to see the truth, look at those oil pipelines everyone was soooo happy about and compare their route to the NAU super-hiway... Which Giuliani and those NYC boys are into up to their necks... Maybe that will tell you what you need to know about walls and borders that will never happen.
So ... I choose to stand with this President in his attempts to follow through with what he promised. I'd rather not stand by the RINO's, liberals and MSM in their attempts to derail his attempts.
Surely you can do as you see fit - But it isn't an either-or condition. I stand with none of em. A pox on all their houses... And that is a perfectly Conservative position.
Meanwhile ... he's got azzholes like Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller trying to take him down with bogus claims of collusion, obstruction and talks of impeachment while Clinton, Bammy and their cronies get a free pass. To me that speaks volumes as to whom I'd rather stand by.
Azzholes HE put in place. better look at what the left hand is doing.
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ROTFLMAO!!! Yeah right.
- Lower taxes Not proven.
- Fewer stagnating business regulations Some 500 in a field of millions.
- Build up and repair of our military we'll see. Probaly so - he may need to wag the dog
- Out of the Paris Climate Accord Nope.
- Out of the Iran deal Nope.
- Out of TPP Nope.
- Renegotiated or out of NAFTA Nope.
- Staying tough on border security-- against relentless globalist headwinds LOL! Nope.
- Return of jobs in the private sector whee.
- Obamacare -- but for one vote it would have been history. So now the President is dismantling it Nope
- Fair trade for the American worker (think G7) meh. tariffs and trade wars.
- US Capitol in Israel is now in Jerusalem YAY! in an adjunct office of an existing US Property - Easy enough to change.
- Pro-life with a plan. LOL! Yeah right... PLANned Parenthood.
LOL! Not yet true or even foreseen.
And if wishes were wings a frog's ass wouldn't bump the ground.
This is an irrational answer @roamer_1
Sad.
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I told @Right_in_Virginia that someone would tear her list to shreds ... didn't know it would be that quick. What a wacko.
But he didn't tear the list to shreds @Emjay He simply proved himself to be irrational -- deeply irrational.
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But he didn't tear the list to shreds @Emjay He simply proved himself to be irrational -- deeply irrational.
Agree. There’s no point in trying to have a rational discussion if someone refuses to accept the facts. I don’t understand why you even try, RIV.
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By the way, I have to revise my previous list of file and wretched NTers (as you put it). I had 8 listed. It is now 9.
9 NTs and 2dollars will buy you a 16oz coffee at 7-11. :laugh:
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This is an irrational answer @roamer_1
Sad.
He is out of his cotton picking mind.
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So no one can step up and get specific about what's wrong with what @roamer_1 said in his rebuttal...just toss invective after invective his way.
:pondering:
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So no one can step up and get specific about what's wrong with what @roamer_1 said in his rebuttal...just toss invective after invective his way.
:pondering:
From my above post: “There’s no point in trying to have a rational discussion if someone refuses to accept the facts.“ ...and I’ll add, documented facts.
If one won’t acknowledge the facts, what possible rebuttal can one give? Except perhaps “you’re woefully mistaken or deliberately misstating the facts.â€
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From my above post: “There’s no point in trying to have a rational discussion if someone refuses to accept the facts.“ ...and I’ll add, documented facts.
If one won’t acknowledge the facts, what possible rebuttal can one give? Except perhaps “you’re woefully mistaken or deliberately misstating the facts.â€
That's an excuse IMO to not deal with the "facts".
If you supposedly have "the facts"...lay them out for all to see.
You make claims about refusal to see without actually laying out anything for anyone to see.
It's a cute shell game that you and some others here play.
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This is an irrational answer @roamer_1
Sad.
In what way is it irrational @Right_in_Virginia ?
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In what way is it irrational @Right_in_Virginia ?
:2popcorn:
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Agree. There’s no point in trying to have a rational discussion if someone refuses to accept the facts. I don’t understand why you even try, RIV.
They aren't facts. They are talking points. Go ahead. Prove me wrong.
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He is out of his cotton picking mind.
That's so raciss.
888high58888
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By the way, I have to revise my previous list of file and wretched NTers (as you put it). I had 8 listed. It is now 9.
Per @corbe 's poll it's 4.
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Some NT'ers are more equal than others.
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In what way is it irrational @Right_in_Virginia ?
All ways.
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That's so raciss.
888high58888
LOL. :seeya:
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They aren't facts. They are talking points. Go ahead. Prove me wrong.
BINGO.
Obviously to Trumplicans - Conservative positions and principles are 'irrational', just as they are to Liberals and Leftists.
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BINGO.
Obviously to Trumplicans - Conservative positions and principles are 'irrational', just as they are to Liberals and Leftists.
*****rollingeyes***** For crap sake you're just throwing out snowflake encrusted pablum without any meaning at all.
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@Right_in_Virginia I think I'll take your excellent advice from yesterday and go outside and play particularly in light of the fact that TOS is down which in turn means you've got no other place to go to than too be in here bugging the crap out of people that don't see Trump as you do. Enjoy
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@Right_in_Virginia I think I'll take your excellent advice from yesterday and go outside and play particularly in light of the fact that TOS is down which in turn means you've got no other place to go to than too be in here bugging the crap out of people that don't see Trump as you do. Enjoy
Ugh, it's fixin' ta storm here.
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@Right_in_Virginia I think I'll take your excellent advice from yesterday and go outside and play particularly in light of the fact that TOS is down which in turn means you've got no other place to go to than too be in here bugging the crap out of people that don't see Trump as you do. Enjoy
WHAT are you talking about?
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You just can't help yourself.
WHAT are you talking about?
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@Right_in_Virginia I think I'll take your excellent advice from yesterday and go outside and play particularly in light of the fact that TOS is down which in turn means you've got no other place to go to than too be in here bugging the crap out of people that don't see Trump as you do. Enjoy
@corbe After promising to behave you are now picking on RIV and I've explained to you that this is wrong. I hope you're not playing with matches out there.
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For crap sake you're just throwing out snowflake encrusted pablum without any meaning at all.
Not at all.
I took your slam at Roamer_1 at face value and when you write that his cogent answer was 'irrational'.
No it wasn't.
But, on reviewing your replies and those of your ForeverTrump® hordes - it is self-evident that Conservative positions and principles are just as 'irrational' to you as they are to your average Liberal and Leftist. After all, you have declared them such in myriad replies.