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General Category => Elections 2024 => Topic started by: Free Vulcan on May 16, 2023, 09:13:45 pm
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday took a swipe at Donald Trump over abortion, chiding the GOP presidential frontrunner for failing to take a stance on what type of abortion restrictions he would be willing to support.
DeSantis — in some of his strongest comments to date on the topic — also defended his decision to sign a ban on abortions after six weeks of pregnancy even though it has been criticized by some Republicans as too strict. The comments set up a potential fault line for DeSantis when he officially jumps into the race for president, which could come as soon as next week.
Trump, in an interview he gave to digital news startup The Messenger published on Monday, said “if you look at what DeSantis did, a lot of people don’t even know if he knew what he was doing. But he signed six weeks, and many people within the pro-life movement feel that that was too harsh.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/16/desantis-trump-florida-six-week-abortion-ban-00097154
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday took a swipe at Donald Trump over abortion, chiding the GOP presidential frontrunner for failing to take a stance on what type of abortion restrictions he would be willing to support.
DeSantis — in some of his strongest comments to date on the topic — also defended his decision to sign a ban on abortions after six weeks of pregnancy even though it has been criticized by some Republicans as too strict. The comments set up a potential fault line for DeSantis when he officially jumps into the race for president, which could come as soon as next week.
Trump, in an interview he gave to digital news startup The Messenger published on Monday, said “if you look at what DeSantis did, a lot of people don’t even know if he knew what he was doing. But he signed six weeks, and many people within the pro-life movement feel that that was too harsh.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/16/desantis-trump-florida-six-week-abortion-ban-00097154
Pro-lifer thinking six weeks is too harsh??? Really?? I doubt it. "A lot of people don't even know if he knew what he was doing"...what kind of gibberish is that??
Trump is starting to sound more desperate and sinking his own ship.
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Will the meatball ever move on from social issues? It's almost like DeSanctus is a programmed useful idiot for the Socialists.
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Will the meatball ever move on from social issues? It's almost like DeSanctus is a programmed useful idiot for the Socialists.
So are you saying Trump is a country club Republican who doesn't care about social issues?
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Will the meatball ever move on from social issues? It's almost like DeSanctus is a programmed useful idiot for the Socialists.
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Ask and ye shall receive. DeSantis is now authorizing assistance to Texas for the illegal alien invasion.
Then again, your need to lead with insults simply demonstrates your fear over DeSantis and the fact that, even unannounced, he's doing what Trumpy couldn't, and wouldn't.
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Will the meatball ever move on from social issues? It's almost like DeSanctus is a programmed useful idiot for the Socialists.
??? @Right_in_Virginia Trump is the one who attacked DeSantis on this 'social issue'. It's almost like Trump is a programmed useful idiot working for the DEM Socialists against a conservative.
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The challengers will discuss Trump's fiscal and economic failures soon enough. I know the trumpies like to pretend 2020 didn't happen, but we all lived through it, and it absolutely sucked.
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So are you saying Trump is a country club Republican who doesn't care about social issues?
Nope. I'm saying Trump deals with the full scope of the national and international arenas while Ronny is a myopic obsessive.
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??? @Right_in_Virginia Trump is the one who attacked DeSantis on this 'social issue'. It's almost like Trump is a programmed useful idiot working for the DEM Socialists against a conservative.
Yep.
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Hey, DeSantoids, Trump isn't attacking your little powder puff He's questioning the political reasonableness of DeSantis signing a law with such harsh abortion restrictions while promising to do to the nation as president what he's done to Florida as governor.
Unless, of course, you really do have a super secret plan for how any republican wins any office without votes from women and young people.
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Hey, DeSantoids, Trump isn't attacking your little powder puff He's questioning the political reasonableness of DeSantis signing a law with such harsh abortion restrictions while promising to do to the nation as president what he's done to Florida as governor.
Unless, of course, you really do have a super secret plan for how any republican wins any office without votes from women and young people.
Trump grabbing pu$$ies and raping women is a plus for his campaign. So that is a plus for him.
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Hey, DeSantoids, Trump isn't attacking your little powder puff
What Trump did was to denigrate pro-lifers by saying "many people within the pro-life movement feel that [a six-week threshold] was too harsh". Of course this is the same man who said that Planned Parenthood does a lot of good things. As a Conservative, that rubs me the wrong way. But then you're perfectly fine with it.
He's questioning the political reasonableness of DeSantis signing a law with such harsh abortion restrictions while promising to do to the nation as president what he's done to Florida as governor.
Abortion is a State issue, not a Federal issue. Conservatives recognize that. Liberals do not. Clearly you and Trump do not.
Unless, of course, you really do have a super secret plan for how any republican wins any office without votes from women and young people.
Here's how Trump did among women and young people in 2020?
Women - Biden 57%, Trump 42%
Age 18-29 - Biden 60%, Trump 36%
Considering Trump's track record, do you have any idea how insanely stupid it is to suggest that DeSantis is the one driving away votes of women and young people?
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Pro-lifer thinking six weeks is too harsh??? Really?? I doubt it.
Every pro-lifer I know would call that six weeks too much.
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He's questioning the political reasonableness of DeSantis signing a law with such harsh abortion restrictions
Hardh? That ain't hardh. That's way too lenient.
while promising to do to the nation as president what he's done to Florida as governor.
Nonsense. He won't have any authority to do it to the nation. It's taken away from federal jurisdiction.
Unless, of course, you really do have a super secret plan for how any republican wins any office without votes from women and young people.
Every woman and young person I know would vote to ban abortion altogether, with possible exceptions for rape and incest.
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Nonsense. He won't have any authority to do it to the nation. It's taken away from federal jurisdiction.
Hey, tell this to Ronny. He's the one promising to do to America what he's done to Florida. He's the one re-nationalizing the abortion issue. And since he promises to never back down, look for DeSantis to next promise he'll sign a federal abortion ban. :shrug:
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Hey, tell this to Ronny. He's the one promising to do to America what he's done to Florida. He's the one re-nationalizing the abortion issue.
Show me the quote. I would really like to see it since Trump, the national candidate, is the one who brought it up and decided to make this a national issue.
DeSantis snaps back at Trump
. . . Trump, in an interview he gave to digital news startup The Messenger published on Monday, said “if you look at what DeSantis did, a lot of people don’t even know if he knew what he was doing. But he signed six weeks, and many people within the pro-life movement feel that that was too harsh.”
The former president’s comments come after a CNN town hall meeting last week, where Trump took credit for appointing the conservative Supreme Court justices who overturned Roe v. Wade. But when pressed, Trump would not say if he would support a federal abortion law and what type of restrictions he would be willing to sign into law. . .
The very thing you falsely accuse DeSantis of doing, Trump did.
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The very thing you falsely accuse DeSantis of doing, Trump did.
Wrong.
DeSantis signed a Heartbeat Bill in April 2022 banning abortion after 15 weeks.
One year later, Apr 13, 2023, DeSantis signed a second bill banning abortion at 6 weeks. He very much wanted this bill for his run for President.
DeSantis plans on relying on the 6 week ban during the primaries. He has re-nationalized the issue ---- returning the abortion albatross to the neck of every Republican candidate in 2024.
All Trump is doing is sending a clarion alert to sidestep this DeSantis pile of steaming political quicksand.
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Wrong.
DeSantis signed a Heartbeat Bill in April 2022 banning abortion after 15 weeks.
A State issue.
One year later, Apr 13, 2023, DeSantis signed a second bill banning abortion at 6 weeks.
Again, a State issue.
He very much wanted this bill for his run for President.
DeSantis plans on relying on the 6 week ban during the primaries.
Pure speculation on your part with zero basis in fact.
He has re-nationalized the issue ---- returning the abortion albatross to the neck of every Republican candidate in 2024.
Uh, no. You are making a current statement of fact on something that hasn't occurred based on you own baseless speculation.
All Trump is doing is sending a clarion alert to sidestep this DeSantis pile of steaming political quicksand.
All Trump already did was to introduce abortion on the national stage as part of his Presidential campaign. In effect, Trump - not DeSantis - nationalized it. Trump did the very thing you falsely accused DeSantis of doing.
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Nope. I'm saying Trump deals with the full scope of the national and international arenas while Ronny is a myopic obsessive.
DeSantis signed all sorts of bills this legislative session on all sorts of issues. Trump has mostly dealt with court cases and attacking anyone and randomly everyone with the 360 degree revolving poop cannon.
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Nope. I'm saying Trump deals with the full scope of the national and international arenas while Ronny is a myopic obsessive.
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Who? The one-term wonder who couldn’t even get a simple border wall built? You have got to be kidding. The idiot who thought Scaramucci would be a good staffer, only to fire him a week later?
That loser?
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If Donald Trump cannot get the votes of young people or suburban women, how is Ron DeSantis going to get those voters with a more restrictive view on abortion than Trump?
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DeSantis signed all sorts of bills this legislative session on all sorts of issues.
Stop deflecting, we're talking about Ronny and abortion bans.
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Does Trump attack Democrats as much as he attacks Republicans?
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Does Trump attack Democrats as much as he attacks Republicans?
No
That doesn’t mean he does not attack Democrats. But he sure had no problem signing onto Chuck and Nancy’s spending priorities while president.
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Does Trump attack Democrats as much as he attacks Republicans?
In a word? No.
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Does Trump attack Democrats as much as he attacks Republicans?
Trump exposes disingenuous republicans. He annihilates democrats, socialists, fascists and globalists.
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He annihilates democrats, socialists, fascists and globalists.
Hardly...lol
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Trump exposes disingenuous republicans. He annihilates democrats, socialists, fascists and globalists.
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Bullshit. He does nothing that has any lasting value - Biden knocked over most of his accomplishments like the proverbial fox blowing over the straw house - and now he’s spouting garden variety lib/prog policies, like social security and those stupid “freedom” cities.
He doesn’t terrify them, he sleeps with them. The only reason they’re pissed at him is that he refused to wait his turn behind Hillary in 2016, just like Bloomberg refused to wait his turn as mayor of NYC.
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Stop deflecting, we're talking about Ronny and abortion bans.
We were talking about nationalizing the abortion issue, the very thing Trump is doing. The very thing that you falsely accused DeSantis of doing. It is a standard trait of liberals - doing the very thing they accuse others of doing.
But if you want to talk abortion bans, almost every poster here believes abortion should remain a State issue, just as Ron DeSantis has shown. Almost every poster here opposes using federal tax dollars to fund abortions, in direct contrast to Donald Trump's position on it. Heck he even campaigned on it, defending federal funding for Planned Parenthood because they do lots of good things.
So let the lines be drawn. I stand with any governor that signs any law passed by his/her state legislature that restricts abortion. And it is clear that you stand with political expediency, willing to sacrifice unborn children in order for your candidate to win.
Going into 2024, Republicans have the chance to thwart Democrat attempts to make abortion a national election issue by keeping it local. Yet dumbass Donald Trump plays right into Democrat hands by doing their dirty work for them. And his dumbass followers invade Conservative websites to post these same Democrat talking points. Idiots. Dumbass idiots.
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We were talking about nationalizing the abortion issue, the very thing Trump is doing. The very thing that you falsely accused DeSantis of doing. It is a standard trait of liberals - doing the very thing they accuse others of doing.
But if you want to talk abortion bans, almost every poster here believes abortion should remain a State issue, just as Ron DeSantis has shown. Almost every poster here opposes using federal tax dollars to fund abortions, in direct contrast to Donald Trump's position on it. Heck he even campaigned on it, defending federal funding for Planned Parenthood because they do lots of good things.
So let the lines be drawn. I stand with any governor that signs any law passed by his/her state legislature that restricts abortion. And it is clear that you stand with political expediency, willing to sacrifice unborn children in order for your candidate to win.
Going into 2024, Republicans have the chance to thwart Democrat attempts to make abortion a national election issue by keeping it local. Yet dumbass Donald Trump plays right into Democrat hands by doing their dirty work for them. And his dumbass followers invade Conservative websites to post these same Democrat talking points. Idiots. Dumbass idiots.
If Trump thinks a 6 week abortion ban is too harsh, then what is his time frame to limit abortion??? He needs to answer that. Saying that he's pro-life and then attacking DeSantis over his 6 week ban, doesn't cut it. Trump needs to be specific and if he can't be specific then he's deflecting yet attacking a conservative.
The abortion issue was turned back to the States by SCOTUS, Trump and all the Trumpsters need to get that through their heads. It is no longer a national issue. Continuing to make it a national issue is turning around and lying to his base.
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If Trump thinks a 6 week abortion ban is too harsh, then what is his time frame to limit abortion??? He needs to answer that. Saying that he's pro-life and then attacking DeSantis over his 6 week ban, doesn't cut it.
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If Trump thinks a 6 week abortion ban is too harsh, then what is his time frame to limit abortion??? He needs to answer that. Saying that he's pro-life and then attacking DeSantis over his 6 week ban, doesn't cut it. Trump needs to be specific and if he can't be specific then he's deflecting yet attacking a conservative.
The abortion issue was turned back to the States by SCOTUS, Trump and all the Trumpsters need to get that through their heads. It is no longer a national issue. Continuing to make it a national issue is turning around and lying to his base.
Trump answered that years ago with his New York Values interview (Trump - "I am VERY Pro-choice X2"). Trump further answered that with his not restricting any US funds to Planned Parenthood during his first term (didn't restrict any fund democrats wanted). He gave lip service of restricting funds to other countries but left loopholes that swam through. Pretty much any issue involving morality Trump avoids acting upon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAHKGP10yc
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This bill signed by RDS was little more than window dressing. It contains an exception for the health of the mother. That is a loophole big enough to drive a truck through. Politically, it will help him in the primary but hurt him if he becomes the nominee.
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This bill signed by RDS was little more than window dressing. It contains an exception for the health of the mother. That is a loophole big enough to drive a truck thtough. Politically, it will help him in the primary but hurt him if he becomes the nominee.
How does a six week ban help Desantis in post Roe v Wade primaries? @massadvj