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Seems like we wanted it.
Then we didn't want it.
I am particularly troubled by statements by people like Rand Paul who said it was done "in secret" and hidden from view. Does that really happen in the senate or house where a bill is hidden from other house members ?
Then there is the optics of the GOP saying they want the bill (or many of them did) and encouraged the negotiations.
Then Trump comes out against it.
And suddenly things turn.
Even if it's not the case, the GOP senate certainly looks like a group of Trump lapdogs.
Seems we can't do enough to shoot our selves in the foot, arse, and head.
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It's a scam.
Think about it. Allowing 5K a day of illegal invaders? That is basicallly precedent setting and saying (institutionalizing) that what these scum bags are doing is legal.
I hope the House holds the line, and kills the Senate Bill. If we don't it is the beginning of the end.
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It's a scam.
Think about it. Allowing 5K a day of illegal invaders? That is basicallly precedent setting and saying (institutionalizing) that what these scum bags are doing is legal.
I hope the House holds the line, and kills the Senate Bill. If we don't it is the beginning of the end.
Could not disagree more.
You now have 100% of nothing. You don't get a quota tha forces the president to completely shut the border. You don't get extensions to the wall. You don't get more border patrol agents (I have many friends who work in the Border Patrol who say the organization is very demoralized and has been for a long long time). You get NOTHING.
With the bill you got something. Somethiing you could later amend and build on.
Congratulations Lot more than 5,000 a week now.
And you've pissed off a lot of people in the GOP.
We are in danger of losing it all in 2024 and every move we make increases the liklihood of that reality.
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Could not disagree more.
You now have 100% of nothing. You don't get a quota tha forces the president to completely shut the border. You don't get extensions to the wall. You don't get more border patrol agents (I have many friends who work in the Border Patrol who say the organization is very demoralized and has been for a long long time). You get NOTHING.
With the bill you got something. Somethiing you could later amend and build on.
Congratulations Lot more than 5,000 a week now.
And you've pissed off a lot of people in the GOP.
We are in danger of losing it all in 2024 and every move we make increases the liklihood of that reality.
Do you live in Texas like I do? 5K needs to be zero. I prefer not to capituate. Your comprimise allows Pedo Joe, his toadies,and RINOs a toe hold to expand, and based in on newly legalized "illegal immigration" There are a few hills that are worth dying over. Keeping the massive hoard is one of them.
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Do you live in Texas like I do? 5K needs to be zero. I prefer not to capituate. Your comprimise allows Pedo Joe, his toadies,and RINOs a toe hold to expand, and based in on newly legalized "illegal immigration" There are a few hills that are worth dying over. Keeping the massive hoard is one of them.
I live in Arizona.
You ain't going to get zero or anywhere close to 5,000. The GOP just voted to not expand the border patrol.
And 5,000 is the threshold for completely shutting down the border....it's not an immigration policy.
As I said, enjoy your 100% of nothing. Because that's what you just got.
Why would McConnell and the GOP even entertain a bipartisan discussion if they had no intention of following it.
They can't look any more stupid than if they tried....and they really seem to be trying.
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I live in Arizona.
You ain't going to get zero or anywhere close to 5,000. The GOP just voted to not expand the border patrol.
And 5,000 is the threshold for completely shutting down the border....it's not an immigration policy.
As I said, enjoy your 100% of nothing. Because that's what you just got.
Why would McConnell and the GOP even entertain a bipartisan discussion if they had no intention of following it.
They can't look any more stupid than if they tried....and they really seem to be trying.
You really think that 5K number will stay 5K? I've got some neat swamp land in FL, I'll sell ya real cheap. There is no valid negotiations with the dims and RINOs., just capitualtion.
The fact you trust democrats is pretty disturbing.
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You really think that 5K number will stay 5K? I've got some neat swamp land in FL, I'll sell ya real cheap. There is no valid negotiations with the dims and RINOs., just capitualtion.
The fact you trust democrats is pretty disturbing.
I'm not quite so sure why anyone these days would trust a DEM. :shrug:
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Future funding disbursement needs to be contingent upon verifiable Border Enforcement.
Dems and GOP Globalists cannot be trusted to enforce the laws they've been ignoring since 1986/1987.
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You really think that 5K number will stay 5K? I've got some neat swamp land in FL, I'll sell ya real cheap. There is no valid negotiations with the dims and RINOs., just capitualtion.
The fact you trust democrats is pretty disturbing.
Doing it your way ==> Less border patrol agents.
5000 is better that what we have now and we can always shrink that number.
This is nothing but a hatchet job orchestrated for campaign reasons.
I don't trust ANYBODY.
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Future funding disbursement needs to be contingent upon verifiable Border Enforcement.
Dems and GOP Globalists cannot be trusted to enforce the laws they've been ignoring since 1986/1987.
And there you have it.
Where is the GOP on that one ? No Where.
But we trust them ?????
Trust no one. No one has earned it.
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And there you have it.
Where is the GOP on that one ? No Where.
But we trust them ?????
Trust no one. No one has earned it.
For that matter, and I'll state the obvious; BOTH parties have FAILED the American people. Partisan lines have been drawn, stealing of elections, false accusations, and a party who allows them to get away with what they have. Leadership in both parties are corrupt as well as the DOJ. So, you are right. Trust no one, though I still trust a few in our Congress.
I trust the governor of FL; DeSantis and a few other governors. That's sadly about it.
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Doing it your way ==> Less border patrol agents.
5000 is better that what we have now and we can always shrink that number.
This is nothing but a hatchet job orchestrated for campaign reasons.
I don't trust ANYBODY.
Let me clue you into a tad of political strategery.......
Scenario 1- Johnson and the House agree, 5K daily becomes legal and the standard. Legal Illegical immigration starts, becomes institutionalized, and never ends. Becomes big political win for Biden despite already letting in millons. Biden wins in November based on perceved but incorrect improving economy, and border improvement
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Scenario 2- House holds the line, and forces the dims and RINOs int only a bill that shuts the border tight. NO exceptions. Or balking at it, with consequences. GOP exploits this issue in the same way the sleazy dims do abortion. Issue by November favors GOP, and GOP wins POTUS and down ticket.
Which of these seem preferable to you?
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What the hell good is yet another law for the bastards to ignore?
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What the hell good is yet another law for the bastards to ignore?
But...But...it'll be doing something, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING! even if the doing something actually doesn't do Jack or Sh!t, accept of course give the democraps another win where they parade around holding the GOPe's Balls.
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Seems like we wanted it.
Then we didn't want it.
I am particularly troubled by statements by people like Rand Paul who said it was done "in secret" and hidden from view. Does that really happen in the senate or house where a bill is hidden from other house members ?
Then there is the optics of the GOP saying they want the bill (or many of them did) and encouraged the negotiations.
Then Trump comes out against it.
And suddenly things turn.
Even if it's not the case, the GOP senate certainly looks like a group of Trump lapdogs.
Seems we can't do enough to shoot our selves in the foot, arse, and head.
That is a pretty roundabout way to say this is all Trump's fault, which is exactly what President Puddinhead said.
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The fact you trust democrats is pretty disturbing.
I agree with you @catfish1957. It's part of a pattern, over time.
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Thread moved to the appropriate Category. This is not Arizona related.
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For that matter, and I'll state the obvious; BOTH parties have FAILED the American people. Partisan lines have been drawn, stealing of elections, false accusations, and a party who allows them to get away with what they have. Leadership in both parties are corrupt as well as the DOJ. So, you are right. Trust no one, though I still trust a few in our Congress.
I trust the governor of FL; DeSantis and a few other governors. That's sadly about it.
Both sides are in bed with the U. S. Chamber of Commerce and their demands for more cheap labor!
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That is a pretty roundabout way to say this is all Trump's fault, which is exactly what President Puddinhead said.
Uh, no.
The GOP senators are adults and can account for themselves.
If they turned because of Trump, that is on them. Not him.
The fact that he shot off his mouth doesn't help. But I don't blame him.
I think they are idiots.
And you can start saying Senator Gallego.
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What the hell good is yet another law for the bastards to ignore?
What the hell is the reason for pushing for a bipartisan law just to turn on it at the last minute.
I don't disagree with your comment.
But you are ignoring that Turtle Boy and a bunch of them were encouraging a bipartisan deal.
And now they look like fools.
Get this....THEY WANTED SOMETHING.
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I agree with you @catfish1957. It's part of a pattern, over time.
As is your pattern for totally being ignorant of context.
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Let me clue you into a tad of political strategery.......
Scenario 1- Johnson and the House agree, 5K daily becomes legal and the standard. Legal Illegical immigration starts, becomes institutionalized, and never ends. Becomes big political win for Biden despite already letting in millons. Biden wins in November based on perceved but incorrect improving economy, and border improvement
or
Scenario 2- House holds the line, and forces the dims and RINOs int only a bill that shuts the border tight. NO exceptions. Or balking at it, with consequences. GOP exploits this issue in the same way the sleazy dims do abortion. Issue by November favors GOP, and GOP wins POTUS and down ticket.
Which of these seem preferable to you?
2 is never never never going to happen.
So fold your arms and cross your legs and say no no no no.....
And we'll continue to get a lot more than 5,000 a week.
Happy ? Hope so. Because you could have something. But you got NOTHING.
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I'm not quite so sure why anyone these days would trust a DEM. :shrug:
I don't know why anyone these days would trust anyone DEM or GOP ?
Kari Lake might have just handed a senate seat to a main-line left-wing asswipe marxist.
And nobody seems to care.
Maybe they can send her a thank you card after Gallego is sworn in.
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Biden Admin doesn't want to secure the Border; they want the money. They will give lip service to securing the Border to get the money and to improve election optics for Biden.
The money is the leverage to secure the Border. If they are given the money in one lump sum, they will get what they want; the GOP will have no leverage; and Biden Admin will continue the status quo.
When Biden hires more asylum judges, he gets SOME money.
When Biden makes progress clearing the asylum backlog, he gets SOME money.
Biden gets SOME money for meeting quantifiable and verifiable Border Security milestones and measures. Play for Pay.
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Biden Admin doesn't want to secure the Border; they want the money. They will give lip service to securing the Border to get the money and to improve election optics for Biden.
The money is the leverage to secure the Border. If they are given the money in one lump sum, they will get what they want; the GOP will have no leverage; and Biden Admin will continue the status quo.
When Biden hires more asylum judges, he gets SOME money.
When Biden makes progress clearing the asylum backlog, he gets SOME money.
Biden gets SOME money for meeting quantifiable and verifiable Border Security milestones and measures. Play for Pay.
Anybody that believes democrats or the lying POS Biden will ever uphold their part in any deal is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu0Bm_HfX-s&t=5s
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So why did McConnell green light the negotiations.
He'd have been better off just ignoring the whole mess.
The GOP comes off looking stupid.
Lindsay Graham just made an ass of himself.
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The MSM is having a field day with this one.
Not about the border.....frankly, who really cares. Our senate doesn't seem to.
But about how the GOP entered into an agreement to negotiate a bipartisan bill (meaning they trusted the democrats) and when it came forth with their support...they turned on it.
They should never have done anything......they handed Biden all kinds of ammo.
Now, the economy doesn't seem to be such a problem for people. Seems we've gotten used to high prices and high interest rates (no wonder the rich keep getting richer).
This summer is looking more and more ugly.
Here is from the net:
To be sure, Mace was hardly the only one who failed to do her homework before condemning the legislation. In fact, Sen. James Lankford of Oklahoma, the Republican co-author of the bipartisan bill, told NBC News this week, “Quite frankly, I was surprised at some folks that said, ‘It’ll take me days and weeks to be able to read through the bill,’ yet within a few minutes they tweeted out their opposition.”
Lankford, a solid conservative, shellshocked by what hit him....makes the GOP look stupid. Never mind the democrats are worse at this.....it's someone in our own party.
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Do you live in Texas like I do? 5K needs to be zero. I prefer not to capituate. Your comprimise allows Pedo Joe, his toadies,and RINOs a toe hold to expand, and based in on newly legalized "illegal immigration" There are a few hills that are worth dying over. Keeping the massive hoard is one of them.
@catfish1957
I don't even live anywhere NEAR Texas,and I couldn't agree more with you post.
We either stop un-controlled "immigration",or it WILL be the end of America.
Or is there someone out there who thinks that national bankruptcy and anarchy will make us stronger?
If so,what do YOU think will happen when all those "free money" checks quit rolling in and there IS no more electricity or water coming to the "projects",no more "free" food,"free" medicine,"free medical care,"free" clothing,"free" educations that even PAY THEM to go to schools,etc,etc,etc stop happening?
Do you maybe THINK that there is a possibility that "Nationwide Anarchy" will happen,and the calls will arise for the government to "Do something,do ANYTHING,BUT STOP THE RIOTS!"
Can you say "Neo-Soviet Dictatorship"?
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You really think that 5K number will stay 5K? I've got some neat swamp land in FL, I'll sell ya real cheap. There is no valid negotiations with the dims and RINOs., just capitualtion.
The fact you trust democrats is pretty disturbing.
@catfish1957
You CLEARLY misspelled the words "High,dry land".
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Doing it your way ==> Less border patrol agents.
5000 is better that what we have now and we can always shrink that number.
This is nothing but a hatchet job orchestrated for campaign reasons.
I don't trust ANYBODY.
@HikerGuy83
ROFLMAO!
WHEN was the last time the government actually shrank a dollar number that buys votes?
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Let me clue you into a tad of political strategery.......
Scenario 1- Johnson and the House agree, 5K daily becomes legal and the standard. Legal Illegical immigration starts, becomes institutionalized, and never ends. Becomes big political win for Biden despite already letting in millons. Biden wins in November based on perceved but incorrect improving economy, and border improvement
or
Scenario 2- House holds the line, and forces the dims and RINOs int only a bill that shuts the border tight. NO exceptions. Or balking at it, with consequences. GOP exploits this issue in the same way the sleazy dims do abortion. Issue by November favors GOP, and GOP wins POTUS and down ticket.
Which of these seem preferable to you?
@catfish1957
EXCELLENT post!
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That is a pretty roundabout way to say this is all Trump's fault, which is exactly what President Puddinhead said.
@Cyber Liberty
Funny how that works out,isn't it.
Why,ifn weeze didun no betta,we mite think it were planned dat way! (SARCASM ALERT FOR DIM VOTERS)
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@HikerGuy83
ROFLMAO!
WHEN was the last time the government actually shrank a dollar number that buys votes?
For that matter, when was the last time ANY government employee solved the problem they were hired to address?
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2 is never never never going to happen.
So fold your arms and cross your legs and say no no no no.....
And we'll continue to get a lot more than 5,000 a week.
Happy ? Hope so. Because you could have something. But you got NOTHING.
@HikerGuy83
And you SERIOUSLY think we will get less by allowing 5,000 in each week?
Do you REALLY think those we let in and provide with EVERYTHING they need,won't be writing back home and telling their whole damn village to "move north,where the living is easy?"
NEVER in all of recorded history to you get less of ANYTHING by allowing something to happen.
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For that matter, when was the last time ANY government employee solved the problem they were hired to address?
@Bigun
A micro-second ago?
You are painting with a VERY broad brush!
I have more experience that I like to think about dealing with government employees at the "window level" that start the conversations with "Can I help you?",and I honestly can't think of a many times that whoever was at the customer window didn't try their best.
Yeah,there are ALWAYS exceptions to any rule,but Affirmative Action hires are the fault of our legislators,and not the fault of the agency itself.
Granted,when you get to the big-bucks jobs like MD's in veterans hospitals,things change because of budget considerations,and the doctors that can't get jobs elsewhere can always find a job at a VA Medical Center or some place equivalent. And even in places like VA hospitals, there are doctors and nurses that work their asses off to do the best they can while working within a system that at times seems to work against itself.
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@Bigun
A micro-second ago?
You are painting with a VERY broad brush!
I have more experience that I like to think about dealing with government employees at the "window level" that start the conversations with "Can I help you?",and I honestly can't think of a many times that whoever was at the customer window didn't try their best.
Yeah,there are ALWAYS exceptions to any rule,but Affirmative Action hires are the fault of our legislators,and not the fault of the agency itself.
Granted,when you get to the big-bucks jobs like MD's in veterans hospitals,things change because of budget considerations,and the doctors that can't get jobs elsewhere can always find a job at a VA Medical Center or some place equivalent. And even in places like VA hospitals, there are doctors and nurses that work their asses off to do the best they can while working within a system that at times seems to work against itself.
The instant ANY gooberment official actually solves a problem their job ceases to exist. That's exactly why they tend to exacerbate problems instead of fixing them.
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@HikerGuy83
And you SERIOUSLY think we will get less by allowing 5,000 in each week?
That is not a quota. It is a trigger.
To answer your question: yes.
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The instant ANY gooberment official actually solves a problem their job ceases to exist. That's exactly why they tend to exacerbate problems instead of fixing them.
@Bigun
Not true. Name one person or position in government,or any other organization that has "management level" workers who only have ONE job.
Bleep happens,be it in the private sector,or in government.
We do NOT live in a one-dimensional world.
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@catfish1957
We either stop un-controlled "immigration",or it WILL be the end of America.
Please get familiar with what the bill was saying.
Never does it say, it's O.K. to let 5K in (anymore than it does now).
The 5K number is a trigger. The border shuts down...period.
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The instant ANY gooberment official actually solves a problem their job ceases to exist. That's exactly why they tend to exacerbate problems instead of fixing them.
I get what you are referencing.
But you are totally overgeneralizing.
Police are government employees. Do you NOT want them around ?
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Please get familiar with what the bill was saying.
Never does it say, it's O.K. to let 5K in (anymore than it does now).
The 5K number is a trigger. The border shuts down...period.
@HikerGuy83
Meaningless surrender monkey babble.
The border should ALWAYS be shut down to anyone entering the US illegally.
Yeah,making it legal WILL reduce the number of arrests and deportations,but that is moving in the wrong direction.
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That is not a quota. It is a trigger.
To answer your question: yes.
I really think you aren't that naive. Think about it:
1. You are basically legalizing illegal immigration. Good luck with any tangible future enforcement to deal with it. You have no idea how precedent setting this is.
2. 5000? You really think that number sticks? Are there going to tickers to keep an accurate count, considreing there are probably 2 dozen hard road points fo entry between U.S, and Mexico. And how are you going to count those taking the rural route?
3. On the 5000 number again.... Watch that number creep up based on dimocratic pressures. By then this will already be regrettable legislation
4. Documentation? Are these 5000/per day going to be given cards or ID's. How will you try to prevent fraudluent counterfeting of ID's or what ever will be used. Usually dims don't think things through. Sadly the GOP has caught the same disease.
5 How about the mad rushes everyday to get one of those 5000 passes? Does your idea cover the army that will be needed for crowd control?
6. You realize that if there is specific congressional legislation, that it will make it that much harder for DJT to correct this via EO if he wins in November?
Again...think this through, before endorsing this madness..
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I get what you are referencing.
But you are totally overgeneralizing.
Police are government employees. Do you NOT want them around ?
Never said that and never will. Police put Band-Aids on problems they don't solve them (except when they are forced to eleminate a specific problem.) It's the same with all government employees. In fact, when you look at goobernment payroll structures you will find that salaries are often dependent on how many people are under one's supervision. That's a huge driving factor in why problems get exacerbated rather than fixed. There is no incentive to actually fix anything within the government.
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Please get familiar with what the bill was saying.
Never does it say, it's O.K. to let 5K in (anymore than it does now).
The 5K number is a trigger. The border shuts down...period.
You really believe that? The 5K number incentivizes fudging the numbers (like with Unemployment) to ensure the official number never goes over 5K.
The current tolerance (according to law) is Zero. Any number above that expressly confirms Illegals are dandy.
You are naive to believe a promise like that.
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You really believe that? The 5K number incentivizes fudging the numbers (like with Unemployment) to ensure the official number never goes over 5K.
The current tolerance (according to law) is Zero. Any number above that expressly confirms Illegals are dandy.
You are naive to believe a promise like that.
By enumeration and by design this becomes amnesty. This is one of the most disturbing pending legislative disasters I've seen since Obamacare.
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Liberal Dems can't count ... their reported 5,000 could be really 75,000.
I can't trust Biden to the job he's already chosen not to do for the past 3 years.
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Liberal Dems can't count ...
@DefiantMassRINO
Don't try short-changing them on a business deal,or you will find out how well they can count when they want to.
The "big boys" are now bored with being mere "Financial Titans",and want to be "Masters of the Universe".
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Listen! (https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-the-michael-berry-show-27764850/episode/mitch-mcconnell-gave-us-our-first-148970056/)
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@HikerGuy83
Meaningless surrender monkey babble.
The border should ALWAYS be shut down to anyone entering the US illegally.
Yeah,making it legal WILL reduce the number of arrests and deportations,but that is moving in the wrong direction.
Thank you for admitting that you'd rather have 100% of nothing instead of 50% of something.
Do you really think there will ever be a day where you will rule the world like that ?
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I really think you aren't that naive. Think about it:
1. You are basically legalizing illegal immigration. Good luck with any tangible future enforcement to deal with it. You have no idea how precedent setting this is.
2. 5000? You really think that number sticks? Are there going to tickers to keep an accurate count, considreing there are probably 2 dozen hard road points fo entry between U.S, and Mexico. And how are you going to count those taking the rural route?
3. On the 5000 number again.... Watch that number creep up based on dimocratic pressures. By then this will already be regrettable legislation
4. Documentation? Are these 5000/per day going to be given cards or ID's. How will you try to prevent fraudluent counterfeting of ID's or what ever will be used. Usually dims don't think things through. Sadly the GOP has caught the same disease.
5 How about the mad rushes everyday to get one of those 5000 passes? Does your idea cover the army that will be needed for crowd control?
6. You realize that if there is specific congressional legislation, that it will make it that much harder for DJT to correct this via EO if he wins in November?
Again...think this through, before endorsing this madness..
What I think is that you've made up your mind about what you think the bill is instead of what it really represents:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/does-new-immigration-bill-5000-illegal-border-crossings-per-day-rcna136656
From what I can tell, it slows everything down from what it is today.
Trump is either stupid (which is really a possibility) or lying (a bigger possibility).
From the article:
Migrants would not be able to just cross the border illegally under the new bill. It would end the practice of "catch and release," in which Border Patrol agents release migrants into the U.S. while they await immigration hearings.
Instead, migrants who tried to cross the border illegally would be detained immediately, with their asylum claims decided while they were in detention. People would be removed immediately within 15 days if they failed their asylum claim interviews.
The bill does provide exceptions from detention for unaccompanied minors and families even if they cross the border illegally between ports of entry. But those migrants would be placed under community supervision; what that looks like would be at the discretion of the Department of Homeland Security.
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Now, please tell me how ending catch and release is a bad thing.
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By enumeration and by design this becomes amnesty. This is one of the most disturbing pending legislative disasters I've seen since Obamacare.
That is hysterical.
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@HikerGuy83
ROFLMAO!
WHEN was the last time the government actually shrank a dollar number that buys votes?
You'll shrink it when you elect enough good people who will do it. Right now the GOP can't get Mother Teresa elected.
Great job with no bill. They just keep pouring in.
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@HikerGuy83
And you SERIOUSLY think we will get less by allowing 5,000 in each week?
Do you REALLY think those we let in and provide with EVERYTHING they need,won't be writing back home and telling their whole damn village to "move north,where the living is easy?"
NEVER in all of recorded history to you get less of ANYTHING by allowing something to happen.
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Is anyone going to even try to attempt to explain or defend how McConnell and Co. entered into this bipartisan negotiation, praised it, then took a dump on it ? That is what this thread was abaout.
It's clear most here have no idea what is in the bill....so I am done discussing that. The theoretical, boogey man BS is just as plentiful as ever.
But the GOP just shot itself in the foot again and handed Biden yet another club to bludgeon us with in the election. l
Can you explain that.
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I can end illegal immigration today by simply turning off the damned magnets and prosecuting anyone who aids or abets them while they are in this county illegally.
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You really believe that? The 5K number incentivizes fudging the numbers (like with Unemployment) to ensure the official number never goes over 5K.
The current tolerance (according to law) is Zero. Any number above that expressly confirms Illegals are dandy.
You are naive to believe a promise like that.
That 5,000 is talking about asylum seekers.
It does nothing to the zero tolerance for those illegally crossing except it ends catch and release.
Congratulations.
100% of nothing. Kinda like breathing underwater.
Done talking with people about what MIGHT happen.
If you want to wallow in your paranoia, go ahead.
Illegals continue to pour into the country and catch and release is still the name of the game.
If you are hoping for some kind of European revolution, good luck.
Meanwhile, the GOP looks stupid, because they act stupid.
Someone like Gallego is going to leverage this disaster to the fullest. Say Senator Lake now, because in 9 months, she becomes Loser Lake, again.
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That 5,000 is talking about asylum seekers.
It does nothing to the zero tolerance for those illegally crossing except it ends catch and release.
Congratulations.
100% of nothing. Kinda like breathing underwater.
Done talking with people about what MIGHT happen.
If you want to wallow in your paranoia, go ahead.
Illegals continue to pour into the country and catch and release is still the name of the game.
If you are hoping for some kind of European revolution, good luck.
Meanwhile, the GOP looks stupid, because they act stupid.
Someone like Gallego is going to leverage this disaster to the fullest. Say Senator Lake now, because in 9 months, she becomes Loser Lake, again.
??? IF you honestly believe that all of a sudden they are going to stop catch and release, you are absolutely delusional. What are they going to do with the ILLEGALS? Have Mexico hold them? Have Mexico stop them at their borders?? Put them in our jails and have the taxpayers support them? Give them a court date and expect them to appear? All of a sudden the DEM sheriffs, border patrol, etc., are going to comply? They aren't following the immigration laws on the books now.
They need to be stopped at the border and not allowed to enter period. They are being allowed in for a reason; votes and to bring down this Republic.
Build a wall. Arm the border. Stop giving them medical, housing, food, jobs, etc., and they won't come and some will even self deport. When our economy tanked in FL, you wouldn't believe the decrease in the ILLEGAL population we saw around here.
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I can end illegal immigration today by simply turning off the damned magnets and prosecuting anyone who aids or abets them while they are in this county illegally.
I agree with you about all the freebies; that needs to stop. However, there are so many that profit from ILLEGALS, it is difficult to identify them and report them. Also, believe me, reporting them to ICE for the most part is a lost cause.
Quit the freebies, build and arm a wall and start massive deportation. ILLEGAL immigration for the most part would cease.
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@HikerGuy83
Help me understand this. How is giving the Democrats in charge another $20 billion to spend before the next election - the same Democrats who refuse to enforce current immigration laws - how is doing that going to help stop the flow of illegal immigration?
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I can end illegal immigration today by simply turning off the damned magnets and prosecuting anyone who aids or abets them while they are in this county illegally.
It really is that simple. Entering the country illegally is a crime punishable by six months in prison. Doing it again is punishable by two years in prison. We are currently giving away more money in free stuff than we would be spending for a prison cell.
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That is hysterical.
You just can't be this naive.....
Hysterical? No it's not. Once,you are one of those daily 5000, it'lli will be like winning the lotto. You have in hand a sanctioned document basically saying you are in the country legally. And you are still dodging the earlier question of what happens after the dims expand the program to 10K, 25K, etc. daily. This is a trojan horsed means of a toe-hold to allow and institutionalize illegal migration.
I am not a Trump fan, but I do see that this thing gets 95% fixed the day and moment, Pedo Joe's initiatives get reversed, and his policies of January 19, 2021 are re-established.
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It really is that simple. Entering the country illegally is a crime punishable by six months in prison. Doing it again is punishable by two years in prison. We are currently giving away more money in free stuff than we would be spending for a prison cell.
:bingo:
The sad fact is that PTB don't want illegal immigration controlled. Their COC masters would be very upset if they let it happen.
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That 5,000 is talking about asylum seekers.
It does nothing to the zero tolerance for those illegally crossing except it ends catch and release.
Congratulations.
100% of nothing. Kinda like breathing underwater.
Done talking with people about what MIGHT happen.
If you want to wallow in your paranoia, go ahead.
Illegals continue to pour into the country and catch and release is still the name of the game.
If you are hoping for some kind of European revolution, good luck.
Meanwhile, the GOP looks stupid, because they act stupid.
Someone like Gallego is going to leverage this disaster to the fullest. Say Senator Lake now, because in 9 months, she becomes Loser Lake, again.
No matter how much you sugar coat it with Politician-speak, Conservatives will never eat the shit sandwich you are trying to serve up.
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The immigrant isn't the problem. It is the type of immigrant that is the problem. We have had immigrants come into this country, learn English, school themselves, implant a solid work ethic into their families, massive families living together under the same roof packing their lunches and pooling their money together to start businesses, all in the fulfillment of that elusive American Dream they brought with them.
We WANT immigrants like this. People who love America and understand the Freedom it represents.
But those are not the type of immigrants we are dealing with today. The tens of thousands of immigrants who pour illegally over our border today are after one thing and one thing only - Free Stuff. They're not bringing the American Dream with them. They're bringing socialism with them. Looters go where the money is.
Stop giving out Free Stuff, and they will stop coming. You want healthcare for your families? Be prepared to pay for it like the rest of us. You want education for your kids? Start your own schools. Want to eat? Better find out a way to either grow it yourselves, or work for it. But do not expect a free cell phone, a free plane ride across the country, a free hotel room, food stamps, free meals, free health care, and an allowance. That bullshit needs to stop now.
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No matter how much you sugar coat it with Politician-speak, Conservatives will never eat the shit sandwich you are trying to serve up.
:yowsa: pointing-up
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That is hysterical.
??? Actually there is nothing hysterical about it.
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The immigrant isn't the problem. It is the type of immigrant that is the problem. We have had immigrants come into this country, learn English, school themselves, implant a solid work ethic into their families, massive families living together under the same roof packing their lunches and pooling their money together to start businesses, all in the fulfillment of that elusive American Dream they brought with them.
We WANT immigrants like this. People who love America and understand the Freedom it represents.
But those are not the type of immigrants we are dealing with today. The tens of thousands of immigrants who pour illegally over our border today are after one thing and one thing only - Free Stuff. They're not bringing the American Dream with them. They're bringing socialism with them. Looters go where the money is.
Stop giving out Free Stuff, and they will stop coming. You want healthcare for your families? Be prepared to pay for it like the rest of us. You want education for your kids? Start your own schools. Want to eat? Better find out a way to either grow it yourselves, or work for it. But do not expect a free cell phone, a free plane ride across the country, a free hotel room, food stamps, free meals, free health care, and an allowance. That bullshit needs to stop now.
Amen!
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??? Actually there is nothing hysterical about it.
It's the meaning of "hysterical" used in this brief humorous anecdote:
"When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandpa. Not screaming hysterically like the passengers in his car he was driving."
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Like I said, NONE of you want to address the ridiculous behaviour of the U.S. Senate.
All your prognosticating is meaningless.
You had a law (formed by a bi-partisan committee.....and led by a conservative out of Oklahoma).
The GOP cheered it on and then did a 180 at the last minute (in many cases not even bothering to read the law).
And the senators involved look stupid.
Well who gives rats ass that we are going to now trade out Sinema (the person who consistently bailed out a GOP that can't win in, of all places, GEORGIA) for a solid marxist.
You want 100%. Great.
You got: 0%.
And that's all your going to get. In fact, once this stupidity is over and Gallego and Co. get to work, they open the illegal immigration valve and they'll be pouring through like you've never seen before.
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No matter how much you sugar coat it with Politician-speak, Conservatives will never eat the shit sandwich you are trying to serve up.
The federal GOP has been serving them up for years and you've been munching on them for years.
And all we've done is give away the store.
There are more registered independents in Arizona than Republicans.
And, thanks to Lake and Co., not to mention turtle crap, there will be more independents, less republicans, and a crazy marxist in the senate complements of the Grand Canyon State.
Why would you complain about a S-Sandwich. Seems like you've gotten quite used to them.
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??? Actually there is nothing hysterical about it.
Oh yes there is.
I ROTFLMAO for 10 minutes after reading it.
Some keep using the word naive in their posts and I have to say, that gives me a good chuckle too.
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The federal GOP has been serving them up for years and you've been munching on them for years.
And all we've done is give away the store.
There are more registered independents in Arizona than Republicans.
And, thanks to Lake and Co., not to mention turtle crap, there will be more independents, less republicans, and a crazy marxist in the senate complements of the Grand Canyon State.
Why would you complain about a S-Sandwich. Seems like you've gotten quite used to them.
There you go again, poking the bear....
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Hey, I have an idea.....let's fire the head of Homeland Security.
Oh, wait.
Would you like mayo on that sandwich ?
Thanks senate GOPer's.
Thanks house GOPer's.
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I can end illegal immigration today by simply turning off the damned magnets and prosecuting anyone who aids or abets them while they are in this county illegally.
So could anyone else if they had the power.
But unless you sit in the senate or house, you probably are not going to do anything meaningful (except vote).
Maybe, just maybe, we could win a senate seat in Georgia. I mean...how hard could that be ?
Oh, yeah.....
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Seems like we wanted it.
Then we didn't want it.
I am particularly troubled by statements by people like Rand Paul who said it was done "in secret" and hidden from view. Does that really happen in the senate or house where a bill is hidden from other house members ?
Then there is the optics of the GOP saying they want the bill (or many of them did) and encouraged the negotiations.
Then Trump comes out against it.
And suddenly things turn.
Even if it's not the case, the GOP senate certainly looks like a group of Trump lapdogs.
Seems we can't do enough to shoot our selves in the foot, arse, and head.
Just to remind everyone what the OP was about.
NOT the law itself....but the morons in the senate.
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Amen!
Good luck.
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Good luck.
Well, if we could get more conservatives seated and on board; governors, senators, representatives, BP, voters, etc., it would soon be a reality. It's hitting close to home in some DEM areas and they are starting to wake up; a little late to the game.
There are too many people making a boat load of $$ off of this ILLEGAL invasion.
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Well, if we could get more conservatives seated and on board; governors, senators, representatives, BP, voters, etc., it would soon be a reality. It's hitting close to home in some DEM areas and they are starting to wake up; a little late to the game.
There are too many people making a boat load of $$ off of this ILLEGAL invasion.
Seems to be my point in this thread.
We can't do anything right and why would you expect to see more "conservatives" in play.
Arizona handed two senate seats to the democrats.
One of them defected and we are bend on returning it to them.
Our best bet is an individual who got booed off the stage at the state convention because of her shenanigans (all the while claiming God is on her side).
Seems like this law would have been a good start for those people had they ever showed up.
Hope they do, but I am not holding my breath.
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You asked the question; "I am particularly troubled by statements by people like Rand Paul who said it was done "in secret" and hidden from view. Does that really happen in the senate or house where a bill is hidden from other house members"?
Yes, indeed it does. Read Ted Cruz's book "A Time For Truth". It sheds some light as to what goes on.
You may want to watch this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NDEH0lQaPI
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You asked the question; "I am particularly troubled by statements by people like Rand Paul who said it was done "in secret" and hidden from view. Does that really happen in the senate or house where a bill is hidden from other house members"?
Yes, indeed it does. Read Ted Cruz's book "A Time For Truth". It sheds some light as to what goes on.
You may want to watch this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NDEH0lQaPI
Mucho truth contained in that! Thanks @libertybele
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Mucho truth contained in that! Thanks @libertybele
:beer:
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Mucho truth contained in that! Thanks @libertybele
You asked the question; "I am particularly troubled by statements by people like Rand Paul who said it was done "in secret" and hidden from view. Does that really happen in the senate or house where a bill is hidden from other house members"?
Yes, indeed it does. Read Ted Cruz's book "A Time For Truth". It sheds some light as to what goes on.
You may want to watch this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NDEH0lQaPI
Thank you for the video and the book recommendation.
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I really think you aren't that naive. Think about it:
1. You are basically legalizing illegal immigration. Good luck with any tangible future enforcement to deal with it. You have no idea how precedent setting this is.
2. 5000? You really think that number sticks? Are there going to tickers to keep an accurate count, considreing there are probably 2 dozen hard road points fo entry between U.S, and Mexico. And how are you going to count those taking the rural route?
3. On the 5000 number again.... Watch that number creep up based on dimocratic pressures. By then this will already be regrettable legislation
4. Documentation? Are these 5000/per day going to be given cards or ID's. How will you try to prevent fraudluent counterfeting of ID's or what ever will be used. Usually dims don't think things through. Sadly the GOP has caught the same disease.
5 How about the mad rushes everyday to get one of those 5000 passes? Does your idea cover the army that will be needed for crowd control?
6. You realize that if there is specific congressional legislation, that it will make it that much harder for DJT to correct this via EO if he wins in November?
Again...think this through, before endorsing this madness..
It's like passing a law telling people that they won't be arrested if they steal less than $1000 worth of stuff at a time.
They will still strip the shelves, it will only take a few more trips to do it.
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It's like passing a law telling people that they won't be arrested if they steal less than $1000 worth of stuff at a time.
They will still strip the shelves, it will only take a few more trips to do it.
O.K.
You and others decided to pick on the law. While I don't agree with your cock and bull (above), I am no longer discussing it. I said this earlier.
This thread was started about the very very very stupid senate GOP.
Any comments on that subject are worth responding to.
No more of the boogieman tripe.
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O.K.
You and others decided to pick on the law. While I don't agree with your cock and bull (above), I am no longer discussing it. I said this earlier.
This thread was started about the very very very stupid senate GOP.
Any comments on that subject are worth responding to.
No more of the boogieman tripe.
Seriously, are you trolling TBR?
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It's to bad that Graham didn't stick to this line of thought when voting against it.
It woulc have come across much better.
Why did they let the bill come forward if they didn't get this ?
The GOP senate......the gift that keeps on giving....to the left.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4449336-graham-warns-senate-border-deal-will-die-without-amendments/
“Now that the Senate’s national security supplemental text has been released, I look forward to the amendment process to try to improve the bill,” Graham said in a statement. “Something this significant cannot be rushed and jammed through. It should be subject to a robust debate and amendment process in the Senate.”
Graham warned that if Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) fails to allow an open amendment process, “then the bill will die because of process.”
Graham declared “I am open-minded on steps we can take to make the bill stronger,” adding “that can only come through the amendment process.”
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Instead of berating Sinema, he should have simply repeated this. I had not read this before, but it appears they had the bill and he was predicting it's demise.
Wonder if the GOP senate understood they were potentially being set up.
Because they got nailed.
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GOP senate had four months to make it's wants known.
What happened ?
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GOP senate had four months to make it's wants known.
What happened ?
The election year.
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O.K.
You and others decided to pick on the law. While I don't agree with your cock and bull (above), I am no longer discussing it. I said this earlier.
@HikerGuy83
YOU started a thread on changing the law. Except now you don't want to discuss the law?
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GOP senate had four months to make it's wants known.
What happened ?
Here's what happened. Way back in 1787, the first thirteen States got together and drafted a Constitution which put the Executive Branch in charge of enforcing the law. At the same time, they assigned the Senate to the Legislative branch, not the Executive branch.
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The election year.
Why would the GOP pretend to even be interested in this when it was going to tank ?
Graham seems to have been looking to the amendmend process to "make it better".
The GOP wanted this tied to funding for Ukraine and Israel. Then they shoot it down. Now that funding is being undertaken independent of the border (fron what I can tell).
This whole thread is about how the senate comes off looking stupid.
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The election year.
Problem is our democratic enemies are all lock step in their obedience with their leadership
The GOP has become the proverbial circular firing squad. And most of that turtle induced.
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@HikerGuy83
YOU started a thread on changing the law. Except now you don't want to discuss the law?
I started this thread about how the GOP in the senate insisted on something, didn't get it, so shot it down. They were played and we (who can't even win in Georgia) are going to lose more seats in the senate.
Yes, I don't want to discuss the law...anymore as nobody is disccussing anything....just prognosticating.
You might consider answering the question.
Why would our stupid senators:
1. Insist on tying this to Ukraine/Israel funding ?
2. Not insist on certain components up front, but cry about them when they didn't appear.
3. Openly encourage the bill (are they stupid enough to think the democrats would give them anything to be happy over ?).
4. Then walk into the ambush by shooting it down.
5. Especially after DJT shoots off his mouth.....do they like looking like stooges and lapdogs ?
BETTER to have never insisted in the first place.
By their own admission, they were doomed to fail.
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Problem is our democratic enemies are all lock step in their obedience with their leadership
The GOP has become the proverbial circular firing squad. And most of that turtle induced.
Which was the point of the OP.
Except it appears the GOP senate is all to willing to lock it's lips on DJT's backside....in lockstep.
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I started this thread about how the GOP in the senate insisted on something, didn't get it, so shot it down. They were played and we (who can't even win in Georgia) are going to lose more seats in the senate.
Yes, I don't want to discuss the law...anymore as nobody is disccussing anything....just prognosticating.
Your lead post indicates that you would rather talk about your perception of the situation instead of the facts of the situation. When one tries to introduce a premise with the word 'seems' (something liberals commonly do), it is clear they are offering that premise from an emotional standpoint than from a factual one. Also, the word 'we' is undefined. Not sure who the 'we' is that wanted it, but it certainly wasn't anyone here that I know of, at least those who understood the substance of what was being presented and the one praising it (Chuck Schumer).
Anyway, as for Rand Paul's comment, that is 100% accurate. For the last fifteen years or so, Congress has shown a propensity for introducing massive bills on the House or Senate floor that very few people have read, but then forcing a vote on it. That rang true for this bill as well. No, your Senators do not represent your State. They represent those who protect their jobs and their perks.
As for Trump, he came out in opposition only after House Speaker Johnson voiced his disproval over it, calling it "dead on arrival" (which btw was 13 days BEFORE you started this thread). So no, Senators aren't following Trump. It is Trump who is following Conservatives (for a change).
So to be clear, when you say things like "Seems we can't do enough to shoot our selves in the foot, arse, and head.", it comes across to many here that your position is that the GOP should have voted in favor of it, thus giving Chuck Schumer everything he wanted, with Republicans getting nothing.
Why would our stupid senators:
1. Insist on tying this to Ukraine/Israel funding ?
2. Not insist on certain components up front, but cry about them when they didn't appear.
3. Openly encourage the bill (are they stupid enough to think the democrats would give them anything to be happy over ?).
4. Then walk into the ambush by shooting it down.
5. Especially after DJT shoots off his mouth.....do they like looking like stooges and lapdogs ?
BETTER to have never insisted in the first place.
By their own admission, they were doomed to fail.
1. Republicans aren't tying "this" to Ukraine/Israel funding. They are tying 'Securing the Border' to Ukraine/Israel funding. Big difference. Because there is NOTHING in this bill that secures the border. Nothing. But then you knew that already.
2. Not sure what components you are talking about here. But it is pretty clear from a bill that Chuck Schumer wrote that no such components would be offered.
3. Who (besides Democrats) encouraged the bill? Schumer is the one out there saying our sons and daughters are going to be heading to the battle field to fight Russia if this Border bill isn't passed.
4. That makes no sense. There was no ambush. Democrats put forth a vote. Republicans killed it on a failed cloture vote. And the Democrat media reports it kind of the same way you reported it in the lead post. Happens all the time.
5. Check your timeline. Trump voiced his opposition to this bill long before it got anywhere near the Senate floor.
Now, one question back to you. Can you give us the link where you posted this same "seems . . . seems . . . seems . . . Trump bad" post on DU? I will get a kick out of reading the responses. Thanks in advance.
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1. Republicans aren't tying "this" to Ukraine/Israel funding. They are tying 'Securing the Border' to Ukraine/Israel funding. Big difference. Because there is NOTHING in this bill that secures the border. Nothing. But then you knew that already.
No difference.
Not that it matters. We'll fund Ukraine/Isreal and illegals will continue to pour across our borders. Disheartened Border Patrol agents (some of who I know personally) don't see that Dems or GOP are interested in securing our borders.
And the bill does things that move in the right direction. Sell that crap to somebody else.
But in the end, McConnell encouraged, so did Graham . It now appears that Graham was counting on the amendment process. Which he didn't get.
What does the GOP get from all of this....to look more stupid.
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So to be clear, when you say things like "Seems we can't do enough to shoot our selves in the foot, arse, and head.", it comes across to many here that your position is that the GOP should have voted in favor of it, thus giving Chuck Schumer everything he wanted, with Republicans getting nothing.
The two are separate and that is clear.
My OP says nothing about they should have voted. It says that the GOP looked and looks stupid through the whole affair.
As people ignored the OP and started in the bill I did say that there were plenty of things that were useful in the bill and all I saw was boogeymanphobia.
I don't agree with your assertion about what is in the bill, and as I said, I am done discussing that.
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BTW: Speaker Johnson is turning out to be a bigger moron than McCarthy.
He was never really interested in the bill (or any bill for that matter that wasn't "perfect" (which everyone knows will NEVER happen), so I wonder why the GOP even bothered on the senate side to engage. Once again, I have to question if looking very stupid is one of the GOP congressional goals. If it is, they are achieving it.
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Now, one question back to you. Can you give us the link where you posted this same "seems . . . seems . . . seems . . . Trump bad" post on DU? I will get a kick out of reading the responses. Thanks in advance.
What is DU ?
Seems seems seems you, like others are good with 100% of nothing (excpet maybe losing more seats). Well, you got it.
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Maybe we could just redeploy the Border Patrol to China where they'd get more support than they do here.
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Seems like we wanted it.
Then we didn't want it.
I am particularly troubled by statements by people like Rand Paul who said it was done "in secret" and hidden from view. Does that really happen in the senate or house where a bill is hidden from other house members ?
Then there is the optics of the GOP saying they want the bill (or many of them did) and encouraged the negotiations.
Then Trump comes out against it.
And suddenly things turn.
Even if it's not the case, the GOP senate certainly looks like a group of Trump lapdogs.
Seems we can't do enough to shoot our selves in the foot, arse, and head.
Just so people are clear on the OP.
More questioning the wisdom of ever saying we wanted it tied to funding when everyone knows you are NOT going to get full border closedown.
And Speaker Johnson might well wonder why he comes off looking like an ass, commenting on bills the senate is working on when he should be making sure a slam dunk impeachment actually happens.
You can't make this stuff up.
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And the bill does things that move in the right direction.
Such as? Please be specific.
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I did say that there were plenty of things that were useful in the bill
Such as? Please be specific.
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BTW: Speaker Johnson is turning out to be a bigger moron than McCarthy.
He was never really interested in the bill (or any bill for that matter that wasn't "perfect" (which everyone knows will NEVER happen)
Not sure what Speaker Johnson has to do with a bill that originated in the Senate. Can you expand on that?
H.R. 2 has been in the Senate now for 9 months waiting for a vote. And you want to blame Johnson for that? Please. If we wanted to hear Dem talking points, we could hear them parroted on MSNBC. No need for you to repost them here.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gop-lawmakers-won-t-govern-while-trump-runs-for-president-they-re-just-following-orders/ar-BB1i8TAH?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=834da4fd9fac4a6fbc985b6bec8832c6&ei=15
Even though it might not be true, it certainly comes off that way.
The GOP isn't very bright at the top.
Still have not figured out that what's real does not seem to matter.
It's spinning the better tale.
And this one is going to spin from now until November.
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Biden / Mayorkas can't be trusted to secure the border. There's not point giving Biden additional money for anything until Mayorkas is fired.
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Biden / Mayorkas can't be trusted to secure the border. There's not point giving Biden additional money for anything until Mayorkas is fired.
Let's take your statement as true......
My question is....why did the senate sign up for high profile "bipartisan negotiation" that was led by a good conservative from OK ? Saying they wanted it, then voting against it (for the reason you listed or others....does not matter) and invite yet another PR Nightmare ?
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/gop-lawmakers-won-t-govern-while-trump-runs-for-president-they-re-just-following-orders/ar-BB1i8TAH?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=834da4fd9fac4a6fbc985b6bec8832c6&ei=15
Even though it might not be true, it certainly comes off that way.
I see that critical thought is not your strong suit. In fact, it's a null suit for you. Because there is zero rationality to that statement above.
First, if it isn't true, don't push it as coming off truthful. Either call it out as a lie, or don't post it at all. Capisce? Frankly, no one here bought Pelosi's argument when she said 'It doesn't matter if the charges are true, what matters is the seriousness of the charges'. Your crap is easily recognizable.
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My question is....why did the senate sign up for high profile "bipartisan negotiation" that was led by a good conservative from OK ? Saying they wanted it, then voting against it (for the reason you listed or others....does not matter) and invite yet another PR Nightmare ?
@HikerGuy83
Clearly, you are still upset that Republicans didn't help pass Schumer's 'border bill'. Why are you so enamored with it? I mean seriously, after several requests, you are still unable to identify a single thing in it that will help stem the tide of illegals flowing into this country. So why pass it? What is in it that you consider good?
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Anecdotal....but what the hell.
Seems like nobody is interested in discussing the totally retarded GOP strategy regarding the border bill.
Regarding the loss of Santos' seat back to the democrats.
CNN anchor Dana Bash reported that several voters said to her on Election Day “that they don’t want to vote for the Republican because it’s clearly impossible to get a solution on the issue of immigration” after the party tanked a bipartisan border bill last week amid pressure from Trump.
“The fact that Republicans killed that bipartisan deal put them over the edge to vote for Tom Suozzi,” Bash said.
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Yep...optics don't matter.
Just gotta have that perfect bill.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/perpetual-loser-trump-rages-on-truth-social-after-being-blamed-for-stupid-strategy-in-ny-loss/ar-BB1igOvM?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=da114b6e198140ff88861a788bd4d509&ei=16
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Why would the GOP pretend to even be interested in this when it was going to tank ?
Graham seems to have been looking to the amendmend process to "make it better".
The GOP wanted this tied to funding for Ukraine and Israel. Then they shoot it down. Now that funding is being undertaken independent of the border (fron what I can tell).
This whole thread is about how the senate comes off looking stupid.
How stupid they look depends on what THEIR objective is, not what you think it should have been..
I seriously doubt more than a handful of either House gives a steaming shit about their oath of office or representing their constituents of, for that matter, the Constitution. They're high on baksheesh, addicted to it, and devil take the hindmost. Whatever theater they need to pull off to fool the rubes back home, well it's the price of power.
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How stupid they look depends on what THEIR objective is, not what you think it should have been..
I seriously doubt more than a handful of either House gives a steaming shit about their oath of office or representing their constituents of, for that matter, the Constitution. They're high on baksheesh, addicted to it, and devil take the hindmost. Whatever theater they need to pull off to fool the rubes back home, well it's the price of power.
:yowsa: pointing-up
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How stupid they look depends on what THEIR objective is, not what you think it should have been..
I seriously doubt more than a handful of either House gives a steaming shit about their oath of office or representing their constituents of, for that matter, the Constitution. They're high on baksheesh, addicted to it, and devil take the hindmost. Whatever theater they need to pull off to fool the rubes back home, well it's the price of power.
@Smokin Joe
I would LOVE to argue with you about that,I really,really would.
But........
BTW,I know I am going to get flamed by this,but I still support Lady Lindsey. I think he is doing the best job he can do,and that he is one of the few that put America ahead of self.
Of course,the flip side to that is that if he were to leave office,he would have ZERO ability to influence politics.
He still isn't anyone any of the other Congresscritters wants to piss-off,though.
Like everyone else, I wish we all lived in a perfect world,but we don't.
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@Smokin Joe
I would LOVE to argue with you about that,I really,really would.
But........
BTW,I know I am going to get flamed by this,but I still support Lady Lindsey. I think he is doing the best job he can do,and that he is one of the few that put America ahead of self.
Of course,the flip side to that is that if he were to leave office,he would have ZERO ability to influence politics.
He still isn't anyone any of the other Congresscritters wants to piss-off,though.
Like everyone else, I wish we all lived in a perfect world,but we don't.
I beg to differ with you on Lindsey "Weathervane" Graham @sneakypete I have no use what-so-ever for the Juan McCain clone. He's on every side of every issue depending on which way the wind is blowing on any given day.
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I beg to differ with you on Lindsey "Weathervane" Graham @sneakypete I have no use what-so-ever for the Juan McCain clone. He's on every side of every issue depending on which way the wind is blowing on any given day.
Graham is McStain's "Mini Me." Always was.
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Graham is McStain's "Mini Me." Always was.
@Cyber Liberty
Ok.
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How stupid they look depends on what THEIR objective is, not what you think it should have been..
I seriously doubt more than a handful of either House gives a steaming shit about their oath of office or representing their constituents of, for that matter, the Constitution. They're high on baksheesh, addicted to it, and devil take the hindmost. Whatever theater they need to pull off to fool the rubes back home, well it's the price of power.
For the sake of "argument", I really don't know that what you "seriously doubt" carries any weight unless you can produce evidence to support your doubt.
My assumption is that many of them are interested in "something" they think is right.....even if it violates the 10th amendment.
But my original point was that this was a no win situation for them. Kinda like the whole "War Games" (movie) theme....the only way to win is to not play.
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@Smokin Joe
I would LOVE to argue with you about that,I really,really would.
Why would you not argue it ?
Someone just saying it does not make it so.
I guess, the larger question I have to ask is...what do you expect from those who represent you (a question we should all be thinking of an answer to).
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Why would you not argue it ?
Someone just saying it does not make it so.
I guess, the larger question I have to ask is...what do you expect from those who represent you (a question we should all be thinking of an answer to).
I expect them to enrich themselves at my expense. Thus it has ever been, since the days of the Articles of Federation.
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I expect them to enrich themselves at my expense. Thus it has ever been, since the days of the Articles of Federation.
Maybe we could start a thread that documents how that is happening.
In some instances it certainly seems to be the case.
I am not sure it is generally the case, but I could be wrong.