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America Last: 12 Senate Republicans Vote to Send Ukraine Another $60B After Vowing to Put U.S. Border First
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John Binder 9 Feb 2024
This week, 17 Senate Republicans joined Democrats to approve sending Ukraine another $60 billion. Twelve of those Republicans previously suggested they would not help send Ukraine any more American taxpayer money until the United States’s border was secure from illegal immigration.
On Thursday, Sens. Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV), Bill Cassidy (R-LA), Susan Collins (R-ME), John Cornyn (R-TX), Joni Ernst (R-IA), Chuck Grassley (R-IA), John Kennedy (R-LA), Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Jerry Moran (R-KS), Lisa Murkowski (R-AK), Mitt Romney (R-UT), Mike Rounds (R-SD), Dan Sullivan (R-AK), John Thune (R-SD), Thom Tillis (R-NC), Roger Wicker (R-MS), and Todd Young (R-IN) joined every Senate Democrat excluding Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) to send billions more in taxpayer dollars to Ukraine.
The money, if approved by the House, will fund weapons and military training, among other things, for Ukraine in its war with Russia.
Twelve of those Republicans who voted for the Ukraine funding, coupled with $14.1 billion for Israel in its war with Hamas, previously suggested to the media that they would not support more funding for Ukraine until America’s own southern border was secure.”So in order for our national security interests to be served, we must have a four-prong approach here. Israel, the border, Ukraine, and Taiwan,” Capito said in December 2023, for example, while Cassidy said, “We got to support our allies, but we got to secure our own border first and the Biden administration has not done so” the same month.
Similarly, in December 2023, Ernst said ,”The issue is not Ukraine, and it’s not President Zelensky. It’s our own national security at our southern border” and Collins called reforms at the southern border an “absolutely essential part” of any funding package that includes more money for Ukraine.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/02/09/america-last-12-senate-republicans-vote-to-send-ukraine-another-60b-after-vowing-to-put-u-s-border-first/
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Henry Rodgers
@henryrodgersdc
NEW: J.D. Vance is distributing this memo to every Republican office on Capitol Hill: The Ukraine Supplemental Includes a Hidden Impeachment Clause Against President Trump
9:31 AM · Feb 12, 2024
https://twitter.com/henryrodgersdc/status/1757049880638341230
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America Last: 12 Senate Republicans Vote to Send Ukraine Another $60B After Vowing to Put U.S. Border First
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The usual RINO suspects, and until these scourges are purged from the GOP ranks, the nation will continue to circle the drain.
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The usual RINO suspects, and until these scourges are purged from the GOP ranks, the nation will continue to circle the drain.
:amen:
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The usual RINO suspects, and until these scourges are purged from the GOP ranks, the nation will continue to circle the drain.
Yes, this is the usual battle cry when things don't go well for the puritans in the party.
You might want to reprint it in Spanish as the idiot senate decided that completely open borders is still a good thing.
Just wait until Arizona elects Ruben Gallego. RINO's will look like the John Birch Society.
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I support more money for Ukraine.
But I didn't support that crappy border deal.
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I support more money for Ukraine.
But I didn't support that crappy border deal.
C'mon man! You have to get on board....and do something :silly: Just because Brandon and company refuses to enforce all the laws already on the books is no reason to think he won't enforce a crappy new law! For criminy sake don't you remember that Bitchin deal we all fell for last time...the last amnesty ever? The deal that would end illegal immigration? You can't trust lying democrats to honor any deal and they have a proven a track record of dishonesty when it come to illegal immigration and American border security. So my response to democrats and RINOs and anyone else trying to force this border turd down our collective American throats is (https://i.imgur.com/5C7IkRn.gif) Of course YMMV.
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I support more money for Ukraine.
But I didn't support that crappy border deal.
Agreed.
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No. No. No. We've given Ukraine and Zelenskyy more than enough. How much $$ has been funneled off not only to members of our own gov't but Ukraine as well?
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No. No. No. We've given Ukraine and Zelenskyy more than enough. How much $$ has been funneled off not only to members of our own gov't but Ukraine as well?
I would like to see what $60 billion more is supposed to accomplish that $100 billion couldn't.
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Close the Border.
Stop admitting asylum-seekers into US.
Free intake of new asylum applications until the current backlog is cleared.
When America's border is secure, THEN, we can concern ourselves with securing other nations' borders.
Taiwain, Israel, and Ukraine money only gets disbursed if specific, measurable goals are met.
Mayorkas being fired would be a cherry on the cake.
As long as Mayorkas is in charge of the Border, I have 0% trust in the Biden admin actually securing the Border.
#AmericansMatter
#MakeAmericaExceptionalAgain
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No. No. No. We've given Ukraine and Zelenskyy more than enough. How much $$ has been funneled off not only to members of our own gov't but Ukraine as well?
Well, from what I have read we a are committed to supporting Ukraine after they de-nuked. They are also being invaded with a populace willing to fight this invasion. Is Zelensky dirty? I don't know.
As much as you and I want the Admin to fund border security...I'll be very surprised if it ever happens. They don't want a secure border in this country. So even if aid to Ukraine was stopped it won't go to the borders.
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Close the Border.
Stop admitting asylum-seekers into US.
Free intake of new asylum applications until the current backlog is cleared.
When America's border is secure, THEN, we can concern ourselves with securing other nations' borders.
Taiwain, Israel, and Ukraine money only gets disbursed if specific, measurable goals are met.
Mayorkas being fired would be a cherry on the cake.
As long as Mayorkas is in charge of the Border, I have 0% trust in the Biden admin actually securing the Border.
#AmericansMatter
#MakeAmericaExceptionalAgain
...and GOP Reps sold us down the river as far as getting Mayorkas terminated.
It's going to take a miracle for things to get straightened around. Divine intervention is the only way I see it Abbott and some other governors are trying to a degree to hold the line, but when our Congressmen continue to opt for open borders, it's disheartening and nearly impossible to reverse the open border policies. Our northern borders are open as well. We are witnessing a true invasion of our country.
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Disclose.tv
@disclosetv
JUST IN - U.S. Senate passes a $95 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan without border security provisions while most Americans are still asleep.
6:38 AM · Feb 13, 2024
Disclose.tv
@disclosetv
MORE - 22 Republicans joined Democrats, voting yes: McConnell, Thune, Boozman, Capito, Cassidy, Collins, Cornyn, Cramer, Crapo, Ernst, Grassley, Hoeven, Kennedy, Moran, Murkowski, Risch, Rounds, Sullivan, Tillis, Wicker, Young and Romney.
6:58 AM · Feb 13, 2024
Greg Price
@greg_price11
BREAKING: The senate just pulled an all nighter and officially passed their $95B foreign aid bill for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan with nothing for the southern border. The final vote was 70-29 with 22 Republicans voting yes.
McConnell, Thune, Boozman, Capito, Cassidy, Collins, Cornyn, Cramer, Crapo, Ernst, Grassley, Hoeven, Kennedy, Moran, Murkowski, Risch, Romney, Rounds, Sullivan, Tillis, Wicker and Young.
6:55 AM · Feb 13, 2024
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I'm honestly not sure what people expected with a Democratic Senate majority. There is no way the Democrats were ever going to agree to a border bill that satisfies legitimate Republican concerns, or ever let something like HB2 come up for a vote. They simply will not do it regardless of how much we try to tie other issues to it. Especially in an election year because their base would kill them.
So we should vote for or against those other issues, such is this particular spending package, based on their own merits. Trying to use it to pressure Democrats for border reform is simply not going to work.
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I'm honestly not sure what people expected with a Democratic Senate majority. There is no way the Democrats were ever going to agree to a border bill that satisfies legitimate Republican concerns, or ever let something like HB2 come up for a vote. They simply will not do it regardless of how much we try to tie other issues to it. Especially in an election year because their base would kill them.
So we should vote for or against those other issues, such is this particular spending package, based on their own merits. Trying to use it to pressure Democrats for border reform is simply not going to work.
I agree.
Why would the GOP enter into negotiations if there was no chance they would arrive at something they could agree to.
It's yet another PR nightmare.
My view of the deal was different than most (for transparency).
But I had to wonder why McConnell even bothered. He encouraged and then voted against it. I get that Schumer screwed him over by rushing it, but it looks bad on us and we can't afford to lose any more seats.
Arizona is probably going to replace Sinema with a whack job marxist and this only further helped him.
In the end, we insisted on tying the two together, but lost. And there was no way they were not going to do something after the border deal fell through. It would be fooling to think you could keep the two linked when the democrats could say "You had your chance." This and the failed impeachment give rise to the narrative that the federal GOP is clown car (and frankly that seems to be true).
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No. No. No. We've given Ukraine and Zelenskyy more than enough. How much $$ has been funneled off not only to members of our own gov't but Ukraine as well?
What are we getting for our money.
It seems we are to the point where we are saying.....34 trillion....what the hell does another 100 Billion mean ?
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C'mon man! You have to get on board....and do something :silly: Just because Brandon and company refuses to enforce all the laws already on the books is no reason to think he won't enforce a crappy new law! For criminy sake don't you remember that Bitchin deal we all fell for last time...the last amnesty ever? The deal that would end illegal immigration? You can't trust lying democrats to honor any deal and they have a proven a track record of dishonesty when it come to illegal immigration and American border security. So my response to democrats and RINOs and anyone else trying to force this border turd down our collective American throats is (https://i.imgur.com/5C7IkRn.gif) Of course YMMV.
This is about Ukraine.
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Greg Price
@greg_price11
The best you can say about Mitt Romney at this point is that he's delusional. This is a position on the state of war that is just not based in reality. He's lying because that's all you can really do at this point to justify continuing funding a bloody stalemate in Ukraine.
9:18 PM · Feb 12, 2024
Senator Mitt Romney
@SenatorRomney
We are not being asked to send American troops into war, only to help the Ukrainians defend themselves. If we fail to help Ukraine, Putin will invade a NATO nation. Ukraine is not the end, it is a step—and letting Putin have his way with Europe would jeopardize our security.
8:33 PM · Feb 12, 2024
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This is about Ukraine.
Yep, typical dim and RINO mindset. Ukraine first, domestic security and protection a distant last.
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Greg Price
@greg_price11
The best you can say about Mitt Romney at this point is that he's delusional. This is a position on the state of war that is just not based in reality. He's lying because that's all you can really do at this point to justify continuing funding a bloody stalemate in Ukraine.
9:18 PM · Feb 12, 2024
Senator Mitt Romney
@SenatorRomney
We are not being asked to send American troops into war, only to help the Ukrainians defend themselves. If we fail to help Ukraine, Putin will invade a NATO nation. Ukraine is not the end, it is a step—and letting Putin have his way with Europe would jeopardize our security.
8:33 PM · Feb 12, 2024
IIRC one of Mitt's close relatives was on the board at Burisma with Hunter. He's a snake!
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This is about Ukraine.
Seems to me that the article is also about spending more of America's treasure to protect everyone else's border but ours...so no I don't agree that the article was just about Ukraine...or Israel....or Taiwan.
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Yep, typical dim and RINO mindset. Ukraine first, domestic security and protection a distant last.
I responded that no it's not just about Ukraine, the article clearly references our border security, Israel and Taiwan, but I guess we know the priorities right?
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I agree.
Why would the GOP enter into negotiations if there was no chance they would arrive at something they could agree to.
I think it was basically some Senators -- of both parties -- wanting to get aid to Israel and Ukraine, and given the posture of the House, believed that including some kind of border stuff in the bill was the only way to get there. They clearly miscalculated on the border aspect of the deal.
In the end, we insisted on tying the two together, but lost.
I'm not sure it was just Republicans, though. I don't think a border-only bill would have passed muster with Democrats. Oddly, it was essentially an alliance between the most conservative and the most progressive Senators that killed it. Conservative Republican Senators rightly believed that Biden/Mayorkas wouldn't use the additional power they were being given to shut the border, but progressive Dems were worried that they would. So, the deal wasn't acceptable to either group, much less the House.
And there was no way they were not going to do something after the border deal fell through. It would be fooling to think you could keep the two linked when the democrats could say "You had your chance." This and the failed impeachment give rise to the narrative that the federal GOP is clown car (and frankly that seems to be true).
I think that's correct.
Personally, I want the additional aid for Ukraine, but that doesn't look like it is going to happen.
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Personally, I want the additional aid for Ukraine. But it doesn't look like we can get there now.
I support Ukraine aid based on these terms, conditions, and priority....
1. Deficit ceases to increase, and no more addtional increases incurred of deficit spending.
2. All domestic issues like border, fentanyl, citizens like Ohio rail victims and Maui are addressed.
3. Israeli support comes before any kind provided Ukraine
4. Ukraine.....But any financial support to Ukraaine needs to have auditing and accounting principles applied down to the penny.
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Yep, typical dim and RINO mindset. Ukraine first, domestic security and protection a distant last.
Sorry, should have been clearer.
This thread is about sending money to Ukraine.
And I'll add.....
Typical extremist response from a group that is so blinded it can't see much of anything.
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I support Ukraine aid based on these terms, conditions, and priority....
1. Deficit ceases to increase, and no more addtional increases incurred of deficit spending.
2. All domestic issues like border, fentanyl, citizens like Ohio rail victims and Maui are addressed.
3. Israeli support comes before any kind provided Ukraine
4. Ukraine.....But any financial support to Ukraaine needs to have auditing and accounting principles applied down to the penny.
Enjoy watching from the sideline as you get 100% of nothing.
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Mayorkas being fired would be a cherry on the cake.
Who would have taken his place ?
You fire a dem selection and they get to replace him/her. You really think they won't work to make you regret you choice.
Does anyone think this stuff through ?
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Enjoy watching from the sideline as you get 100% of nothing.
Not seeing our government spend (waste) our tax dollars? I'd call that a win any day.
Your folly only adds to the $34T debacle.
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I wonder how much of the $60 billion will actually go to Ukraine? At least now the Dems will have plenty of campaign money to spend between now and November.
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I'm thinking a Europe where Russia just swallowed Ukraine, and Trump says he's not going to help defend NATO, probably isn't a good thing for the U.S.. But it seems that perhaps a majority of the GOP now feels differently.
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$60 billion can buy over 13,000 M1 Abrams tanks. Or over 950 F-16s. Or 115,000 M777 artillery guns. And it is pretty clear that Ukraine has not been getting weapons shipments anywhere near these numbers.
There is a hell of a lot of graft going on. And it is the US that is the guilty party here. $60 billion. And Ukraine will be lucky to get some 40-year-old M113s, or maybe some M2s. Maybe some anti-tank missiles or SAMs. But the vast majority of this money will be funneled though the State Department and DoD, and will never make it inside the Ukraine border.
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$60 billion can buy over 13,000 M1 Abrams tanks. Or over 950 F-16s. Or 115,000 M777 artillery guns. And it is pretty clear that Ukraine has not been getting weapons shipments anywhere near these numbers.
There is a hell of a lot of graft going on. And it is the US that is the guilty party here. $60 billion. And Ukraine will be lucky to get some 40-year-old M113s, or maybe some M2s. Maybe some anti-tank missiles or SAMs. But the vast majority of this money will be funneled though the State Department and DoD, and will never make it inside the Ukraine border.
It can't buy any of those things because we don't have them in that quantity. The issue is the consumption of massive quantities of ammunition, especially smart munitions, that are very expensive.
But I do agree that much of this isn't actually money that will go into Ukraine. It is essentially us paying ourselves for munitions and equipment we are sending to them.
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Not seeing our government spend (waste) our tax dollars? I'd call that a win any day.
Your folly only adds to the $34T debacle.
Except they are going to waste them.
Enjoy your "win".
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The Dirty Dozen. Like to see a full accounting of how much each of these people are making from this war with no end in sight.
Looks to me like Putin is the only one who could end this by a full invasion and elimination of the current political establishment in Ukraine. I hope Trump is elected; this war and the invasion on our borders will be dealt with in short order.
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Except they are going to waste them.
Enjoy your "win".
Enjoy your complicity in supporting deficit spending.
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I guess we're supposed to believe Austin tweeted this from the critical care unit.
a newsman
@a_newsman
Former Raytheon board member turned Secretary of Defense urges congress to buy more bombs. National security journalists uncritically amplify the press release. Great country.
9:33 PM · Feb 13, 2024
Jennifer Griffin
@JenGriffinFNC
Austin thanks Senate for passing supplemental aid to Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan. Bill includes $3.3 billion to strengthen submarine industrial base to counter China. The bill creates jobs, replenishes depleted U.S. stockpiles.
9:22 PM · Feb 13, 2024
https://twitter.com/SecDef/status/1757587759085039761
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Henry Rodgers
@henryrodgersdc
NEW: J.D. Vance is distributing this memo to every Republican office on Capitol Hill: The Ukraine Supplemental Includes a Hidden Impeachment Clause Against President Trump
9:31 AM · Feb 12, 2024
https://twitter.com/henryrodgersdc/status/1757049880638341230
@mountaineer
Yah,hoo dem bastids think dey be,ta be standin in da way ob Globalism,anywais,rite?
ALL HAIL GLOBALISM,COMRADES!
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Don't feed the :troll:
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Enjoy your complicity in supporting deficit spending.
Except you can't show I am complicit in deficit spending.
I only said they'd spend them. That's a fact. I never said I liked it.
Stop making stuff up.
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Yep, typical dim and RINO mindset. Ukraine first, domestic security and protection a distant last.
:yowsa:
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Who would have taken his place ?
You fire a dem selection and they get to replace him/her. You really think they won't work to make you regret you choice.
Does anyone think this stuff through ?
@HikerGuy83
So basically, what you are saying is that instead of standing up for the Constitution of the United States of America, we should remained paralyzed in fear and do nothing to stop Mayorkas from violating his vows of office, committing perjury, and pissing all over the Constitution. Because if we stand up for what's right, just, and true, the Democrats might do something bad, right?
To hell with that.
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Kevin Cramer calls the impeachment of Mayorkis: "While all but a few House Republicans united behind the impeachment push, several GOP senators have poured cold water on the effort. Kevin Cramer of North Dakota, a Trump ally, called it “obviously dead on arrival” and “the worst, dumbest exercise and use of time.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/failure-republicans-will-try-impeach-mayorkas-border-rcna138474
The GOP House and GOP Senate....the gift that keeps on giving....to the left.
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@HikerGuy83
So basically, what you are saying is that instead of standing up for the Constitution of the United States of America, we should remained paralyzed in fear and do nothing to stop Mayorkas from violating his vows of office, committing perjury, and pissing all over the Constitution. Because if we stand up for what's right, just, and true, the Democrats might do something bad, right?
To hell with that.
Well, isn't the bolded what you want too? You want impeachment, but we all know that in fact, impeachment is "doing nothing to stop" Mayorkas. It's purely performative.
The only real potential advantage of an impeachment when you know you can't get a conviction is the additional public scrutiny/exposure you get from well-run impeachment hearings. Have the hearings, and maybe they'll swing public opinion in a meaningful way.
But..where are those hearings? Whatever they did, it got very little coverage, and certainly changed no opinions. The vote has been taken so the House's role is over. It now switches over to the Senate where the entire process, narrative, etc. will be controlled by the Democratic majority.
Complete failure, and we knew that was inevitable before it even started.
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Except you can't show I am complicit in deficit spending.
I only said they'd spend them. That's a fact. I never said I liked it.
Stop making stuff up.
Make up what? I can count at least a half dozen times alone on this thread alone that you have said you actively support providing Ukraine $60B in aid. Has that $60B been appropriated and budgeted by Congress?
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Make up what? I can count at least a half dozen times alone on this thread alone that you have said you actively support providing Ukraine $60B in aid. Has that $60B been appropriated and budgeted by Congress?
This should be good. Please point out the posts where I supported the Ukraine aid bill.
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You're a smart guy, so you can't possibly think that this impeachment will actually stop Mayorkas from doing any of that. Or even slow him down. It'll be ignored.
The only real potential advantage of an impeachment when you know you can't get a conviction is the additional public scrutiny/exposure you get from well-run impeachment hearings. Have the hearings, and maybe they'll swing public opinion in a meaningful way.
But..where are those hearings? Whatever they did, it got very little coverage, and certainly changed no opinions. The vote has been taken so the House's role is over. It now switches over to the Senate where the entire process, narrative, etc. will be controlled by the Democratic majority.
Complete failure, and we knew that was inevitable before it even started.
Yep....and Santos' seat goes dem, thanks in part (per the MSM...so I take it with a grain of salt) to our sacking the border bill (after we encouraged it).
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Now, the house is saying it might delay the aid bill.
You can't make this stuff up.
Why ? Apparently there is no border protection provisions in the bill !!!!!!
If assholes could fly, congress would be an airport.
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This should be good. Please point out the posts where I supported the Ukraine aid bill.
My apologies, of nothing specific, but you sure damned well seem eager to negotiate so that border and other aid are linked.
Which actual becomes an endorsement of aid, in an indirect way.
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My apologies, of nothing specific, but you sure damned well seem eager to negotiate so that border and other aid are linked.
Which actual becomes an endorsement of aid, in an indirect way.
Wrong again.
I wanted the bill to proceed. But Schumer pulled his little stunt.
Seems that the GOP senate would have gotten assurances that he wan't going to do that before sticking their necks out.
Tying it to aid only created the s-storm they are in now.
Johnson sounds like he's tabeling it for a bit.
A big airport.
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Wrong again.
I wanted the bill to proceed.
Contradictory at worst, disingenuous at best.
Considering the fact that Biden could resolve this by simpl reversing his EO's that were invoked against Trump's prior policies is just massive proof that Biden has no interest in a legislative fix. And this is just 100% poitical posturing favoring the left in a crisis Any negotiation with Biden/Schumer is pointless, and playing into their hand.
I thought you've been around long enough to understand that. I guess not.
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Any negotiation with Biden/Schumer is pointless, and playing into their hand.
Hence my thread asking why the morons in the senate agreed to negotiate when they knew it was no going to produce anything but bad press for them.
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I thought you've been around long enough to understand that. I guess not.
Yes, you seem to guess at a lot. And miss.
You should run for the senate. Youd fit right in.
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Personally, I want the additional aid for Ukraine, but that doesn't look like it is going to happen.
We would be better off running this as a CIA operation like we did in Afghanistan back in the early 80s and again in 2001-2002.
Consider troop-killing drones. For argument's sake, let's inflate the cost to $1,000 each. Buy 600,000 of them. That comes to $600 million. Now, let's say they kill/incapacitate one Russian soldier for every three drones. That equates to 200,000 Russian casualties, which is 50% of their current total. And that is with only 1% of what Biden is asking for with no auditing in place and no guarantee that a dime of it ends up in Ukraine.
This regime does not want Ukraine to win. They are trying to drag this war out as long as possible and are using it to siphon off graft.
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Apparently there is no border protection provisions in the bill !!!!!!
Which begs the question of why you continued to support it even though there was nothing in it that would slow illegal immigration.
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We would be better off running this as a CIA operation like we did in Afghanistan back in the early 80s and again in 2001-2002.
Consider troop-killing drones. For argument's sake, let's inflate the cost to $1,000 each. Buy 600,000 of them. That comes to $600 million. Now, let's say they kill/incapacitate one Russian soldier for every three drones. That equates to 200,000 Russian casualties, which is 50% of their current total. And that is with only 1% of what Biden is asking for with no auditing in place and no guarantee that a dime of it ends up in Ukraine.
I'm just going to say that you will never, ever get that high of a kill ratio. If you look historically at the amount of ammunition necessary to kill an enemy soldier, it's staggering.
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I'm just going to say that you will never, ever get that high of a kill ratio. If you look historically at the amount of ammunition necessary to kill an enemy soldier, it's staggering.
It is amazing how successful these tactics have been. Consider also that one drone can take out multiple combatants. So yes, it is that possible. The only problem is mass producing 600,000 kamikaze drones.
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It is amazing how successful these tactics have been.
Consider also that one drone can take out multiple combatants. So yes, it is that possible. The only problem is mass producing 600,000 kamikaze drones.
It isn't nearly that simple. Just because something has had success on a small scale, in particular combat situations And environments, does not mean it extrapolates to mass effectiveness.
Rather go through a lengthy explanation, I'll simply point out that no military in the world is adopting what you are proposing. At the price point/level of complexity, you are assuming, such drones would be cheaper than artillery rounds that are already produced in the millions. The ukrainians themselves already would have produced hundreds of thousands of those things if they were truly that effective.
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No. No. No. We've given Ukraine and Zelenskyy more than enough. How much $$ has been funneled off not only to members of our own gov't but Ukraine as well?
Whatever Putin troll
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Ful disclosure - I began serving under Reagan and so was steeped in the Cold War vibe during my formative years. So I have a bias.
With that said, the thought of the U.S. sitting on its hands while Ukrainians are willing to fight and die to defend their country against Russia led by a former KGB operative makes me sick and ashamed. Not sure what we stand for if others fighting for their own liberty doesn't matter to us anymore.
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Ful disclosure - I began serving under Reagan and so was stepped in the Cold War vibe during my formative years. So I have a bias.
With that said, the thought of the U.S. sitting on its hands while Ukrainians are willing to fight and die to defend their country makes me ashamed. Not sure what we stand for if others fighting for their own liberty doesn't matter to us anymore.
I was a generation before you @Maj. Bill Martin in Vietnam and saw first-hand how the war there was manipulated to enrich defense industries and their investors at the expense of actually winning the war. IF we approached things on the basis of actually winning rather than how many $$$ can be extracted I would probably have a different outlook. We don't and I don't.
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Ful disclosure - I began serving under Reagan and so was steeped in the Cold War vibe during my formative years. So I have a bias.
With that said, the thought of the U.S. sitting on its hands while Ukrainians are willing to fight and die to defend their country against Russia led by a former KGB operative makes me sick and ashamed. Not sure what we stand for if others fighting for their own liberty doesn't matter to us anymore.
@Maj. Bill Martin
EXCELLENT POST!
I can only add my own selfish self-interest to that by saying "Ukrainian soldiers are fighting and dying in order to defeat the evil known as the Soviet Union,and THAT means that no US soldiers are fighting and dying to do this VERY necessary job.
With ANY luck at all,the Russian people and their senior Soviet Masters will see the writing on the wall,and end the war themselves by removing Putin from power and installing a government friendly towards the west.
And after all,why wouldn't they? While Putin is a left-over remnant from the days of aggression to and from the west,times have changed and there are plenty of mid-level and almost certainly more than a few senior Russian Generals who see both the futility of continuing hostilities with the west,but the need to be able to focus their resources on their eastern border because as sure as sunrise,the Chinese WILL invade eastern Russia in an effort to steal all that gold and oil.
The Chinese either have to do that,or allow Chinese Communism to die because they do NOT have the resources necessary in China to "keep that boat floating". Which ultimately means an invasion of eastern Russia because there is no way in HELL the entitled Chi-Com leadership is ready or willing to face an actual rebellion when the food and other supplies run out,and they don't have the money to buy it. Or wouldn't,if we would stop giving them our factories and buying their junk.
It is NO exaggeration to STATE that it is American Capitalists and corrupt politicians that are keeping the "Chinese Boat afloat" today. This is the fault of "we,the people of the US of America" for ignoring this situation and allowing our politicians to buy (more truthfully,"be bought") into it.
A rebellion like that generally leads to the old leadership hanging by the necks in public squares.
The ONLY thing standing in the way of peace between Russia and the west is Putin and a few other geezers from his generation that are still in power,and the western politicians and corporations that get money from allowing it to happen.
BTW,does it REALLY need to be said that allowing the above puts American workers out of work with no hope of getting a similar job?
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Ful disclosure - I began serving under Reagan and so was steeped in the Cold War vibe during my formative years. So I have a bias.
With that said, the thought of the U.S. sitting on its hands while Ukrainians are willing to fight and die to defend their country against Russia led by a former KGB operative makes me sick and ashamed. Not sure what we stand for if others fighting for their own liberty doesn't matter to us anymore.
Biden said yesterday that this bill was funding NATO. Do you agree?
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Biden said yesterday that this bill was funding NATO. Do you agree?
No. Biden is a senile idiot.
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Biden said yesterday that this bill was funding NATO. Do you agree?
Large chunks of past spending bills have been doled out to NATO countries. When Biden says it is a bill for Ukraine, he is lying.
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No. Biden is a senile idiot.
@Maj. Bill Martin
Actually,he has been an idiot his whole life.
The senility is new,and just a "cherry on the top".
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Actually,he has been an idiot his whole life.
The senility is new,and just a "cherry on the top".
No argument there. I remember being a law student watching him chair Judiciary Committee hearings, and the consensus was that he wouldn't have passed a basic constitutional law class.
Then again, he was 76th our of 85 in the fourth tier law school he attended, and earned a plagiarism sanction as well, so that's no surprise.
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Then again, he was 76th our of 85 in the fourth tier law school he attended, and earned a plagiarism sanction as well, so that's no surprise.
We are so blessed to have such an intellectual giant as our Commander-in-Chief!
*****rollingeyes*****
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For someone with subpar intelligence, what is striking to me is his perfect track record for being wrong. As dumb as a broke clock is, at least it gets it right two moments out of the day. Biden has been going on 50 years now, and still has yet to get one right.
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For someone with subpar intelligence, what is striking to me is his perfect track record for being wrong. As dumb as a broke clock is, at least it gets it right two moments out of the day. Biden has been going on 50 years now, and still has yet to get one right.
Someone - it may have been Robert Gates - said that Biden had an unmatched record of being wrong on every major foreign policy decision. Can't remember all of them, but the ones he listed included : 1) Being against the Gulf War, 2) In favor of the 2003 decision to invade Iraq, and 3) being the only person in the room against pulling the trigger on the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.