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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on November 05, 2017, 10:45:07 pm
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FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — The Latest on U.S. Sen. Rand Paul’s assault at his home (all times local):
5:15 p.m.
A senior adviser for Rand Paul says the U.S. senator is recovering from five broken ribs following an assault at his home.
Doug Stafford said it is unclear when Paul will return to work since he is in considerable pain and has difficulty getting around, including flying. Stafford said Sunday that the broken ribs include three displaced fractures, which can lead to life-threatening injuries. The severe pain can last for weeks or months.
Police arrested 59-year-old Rene Boucher on Saturday and charged him with misdemeanor fourth-degree assault with a minor injury. Boucher is accused of attacking Paul on Friday, but officials have not released a motive.
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https://apnews.com/68fb5bbe2e0441489a4e0002f0edd754/The-Latest:-APNewsBreak:-Paul-recovering-from-5-broken-ribs?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
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I didn't know it was that bad. Prayers for Senator Paul. The world is getting crazy. There was a church shooting today that killed over 20 people in small town near San Antonio Texas.
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FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — The Latest on U.S. Sen. Rand Paul’s assault at his home (all times local):
5:15 p.m.
A senior adviser for Rand Paul says the U.S. senator is recovering from five broken ribs following an assault at his home.
Doug Stafford said it is unclear when Paul will return to work since he is in considerable pain and has difficulty getting around, including flying. Stafford said Sunday that the broken ribs include three displaced fractures, which can lead to life-threatening injuries. The severe pain can last for weeks or months.
Police arrested 59-year-old Rene Boucher on Saturday and charged him with misdemeanor fourth-degree assault with a minor injury. Boucher is accused of attacking Paul on Friday, but officials have not released a motive.
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https://apnews.com/68fb5bbe2e0441489a4e0002f0edd754/The-Latest:-APNewsBreak:-Paul-recovering-from-5-broken-ribs?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
Misdemeanor ?? Really. This seems far more serious to me. I would call it felony assault.
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@Mom MD
Misdemeanor ?? Really. This seems far more serious to me. I would call it felony assault.
Five broken ribs is not a minor injury in my medical opinion. It actually takes a lot of force to break any ribs, much less five ribs. And displaced rib fractures are especially bad.
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@Mom MD
Five broken ribs is not a minor injury in my medical opinion. It actually takes a lot of force to break any ribs, much less five ribs. And displaced rib fractures are especially bad.
I am not a doctor... But in my more-than-normal experience with scrappin and tusslin, busted ribs are never a minor injury... and FIVE is bad news. Not that it matters all that much, but I hope for him they're all on one side.
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I didn't know it was that bad. Prayers for Senator Paul. The world is getting crazy. There was a church shooting today that killed over 20 people in small town near San Antonio Texas.
Yes, prayers for Senator Paul. I am shocked as I didn't realize that his injuries were this serious; 5 broken ribs is quite an ordeal and there must have been quite a bit of force behind the attack. I'm curious as to what exactly happened. Things have gotten way, way out of control. Sad, very sad. I'm praying for our entire country. What's going on is just absolutely nuts! 8888crybaby
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Misdemeanor ?? Really. This seems far more serious to me. I would call it felony assault.
Rand Paul's crazy violent leftist neighbor should lose his medical license and be charged with a felony.
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Misdemeanor ?? Really. This seems far more serious to me. I would call it felony assault.
If a person could potentially die from an injury (punctured lung), it is NOT a minor injury, nor a misdemeanor.
The law had better take care of this guy. He's dangerous.
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Yes, prayers for Senator Paul. I am shocked as I didn't realize that his injuries were this serious; 5 broken ribs is quite an ordeal and there must have been quite a bit of force behind the attack. I'm curious as to what exactly happened. Things have gotten way, way out of control. Sad, very sad. I'm praying for our entire country. What's going on is just absolutely nuts! 8888crybaby
The left has gone from crazy to demonic.
Prayers for our country.
We are in DEEP trouble.
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If a person could potentially die from an injury (punctured lung), it is NOT a minor injury, nor a misdemeanor.
The law had better take care of this guy. He's dangerous.
Agreed. The injuries are not minor and it is being reported that his injuries are more serious than first thought and I would hope that his attacker will now be charged with a felony. I'm not a doctor, but it would seem to me with 5 broken ribs; three of which are displaced fractures, that could cause internal bleeding, he should be in the hospital and sedated?? Paul is in bad shape here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/sen-rand-paul-recovering-from-injuries-suffered-in-alleged-assault/2017/11/05/6380c78a-c250-11e7-84bc-5e285c7f4512_story.html
http://uproxx.com/news/rand-paul-assault-injuries-broken-ribs/
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Agreed this should be a felony, not a misdemeanor.
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Agreed. The injuries are not minor and it is being reported that his injuries are more serious than first thought and I would hope that his attacker will now be charged with a felony. I'm not a doctor, but it would seem to me with 5 broken ribs, he should be in the hospital and sedated??
Nope... Providing they are still in alignment, there's nothing for it. Keep em wrapped up tight as a wedge, and try not to breath. :shrug:
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Agreed. The injuries are not minor and it is being reported that his injuries are more serious than first thought and I would hope that his attacker will now be charged with a felony. I'm not a doctor, but it would seem to me with 5 broken ribs, he should be in the hospital and sedated??
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/sen-rand-paul-recovering-from-injuries-suffered-in-alleged-assault/2017/11/05/6380c78a-c250-11e7-84bc-5e285c7f4512_story.html
http://uproxx.com/news/rand-paul-assault-injuries-broken-ribs/
The pain of even one broken rib is severe, even while just breathing, or moving at all.
I would think sedation and IV pain meds would be standard procedure...... but I don't know for sure.
No matter what, he's in great pain, and these are not minor injuries!
Prayers for Rand.
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The left has gone from crazy to demonic.
Prayers for our country.
We are in DEEP trouble.
Yes, we are in DEEP trouble.
--- Prayers in the prayer thread ...
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@Mom MD
Five broken ribs is not a minor injury in my medical opinion. It actually takes a lot of force to break any ribs, much less five ribs. And displaced rib fractures are especially bad.
That many broken ribs will often require hospitalization for pain control. It can be life threatening if a lung is punctured but fortunately that is rare and can be treated if discovered. The real problem is a high risk of pneumonia and blood clots from not taking deep breaths or moving around because of the pain with movement. That said a relatively young healthy man should recover completely in a couple of weeks
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The pain of even one broken rib is severe, even while just breathing, or moving at all.
I would think sedation and IV pain meds would be standard procedure...... but I don't know for sure.
No matter what, he's in great pain, and these are not minor injuries!
Prayers for Rand.
Actually the most effective way to treat the pain is an epidural anesthetic just like for childbirth or major surgery. That does require hospitalization though
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If you recall, Rand was at the baseball game when another nutcase went off. This is the sort of thing that keeps good men from serving.
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....“Displaced rib fractures can lead to life-threatening injuries such as: hemopneumothorax, pneumothorax, pneumonia, internal bleeding, laceration of internal organs and lung contusions. Senator Paul does have lung contusions currently,” Stafford said. “This type of injury is also accompanied by severe pain that can last weeks to months.”....
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/05/rand-paul-assault-broken-ribs-244579
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Police arrested 59-year-old Rene Boucher on Saturday and charged him with misdemeanor fourth-degree assault with a minor injury.
Minor injury eh? Like hell.
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What did Rand do to piss off the city police?
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Police arrested 59-year-old Rene Boucher on Saturday and charged him with misdemeanor fourth-degree assault with a minor injury.
Minor injury eh? Like hell.
Exactly; had it been an assault on a DEM, they would be looking at a felony! This is truly an example of liberal lunacy. They are unhinged. Things have been escalating for at least a decade and we I'm afraid are dangerously close to a full blown revolution. How do we defuse this?? Anyone?
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Breaking five ribs takes a fair amount of force and not likely on the first blow. This guy was there to do serious damage, if not kill. His charges are way too light.
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Breaking five ribs takes a fair amount of force and not likely on the first blow. This guy was there to do serious damage, if not kill. His charges are way too light.
5 broken ribs = blunt force trauma. Reports I've read said that he has contusions on his lungs.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/politics/rand-paul-assault-injuries/index.html
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What did Rand do to piss off the city police?
Maybe they think he is black with that goofy curly haircut.
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Maybe they think he is black with that goofy curly haircut.
That's probably it.
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CNN is pointing out the fact that assaulting a Congressman is a felony! I hope he sees several years behind bars -- he's also admitted to the attack. Lock him up! Oh wait ... they've called in the FBI -- Paul's a REP -- we all know how this could go. :shrug:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/politics/rand-paul-assault-injuries/index.html
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Misdemeanor ?? Really. This seems far more serious to me. I would call it felony assault.
He's not my favorite politician but ouch! No one should have to go through this.
Agree, felony assault or something with a strict prison term of a few years in the pokey. He could have killed him!
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The left is crazy? Just 'Off the Deep End?'
Stupid like this deserves severe legal consequences.
If any of us here broke 5 of Anyone else's ribs you can take it to the bank we'd have the book thrown at us, but a U.S. Senator?
A U.S. Senator? It'd be Honey, Don't even think about mortgaging the house to make our bail. You're going to need every cent you can get just to keep the place, with us going indoors for a few years.
This is a swamp denizen responding to Sen Paul's "No, this bill just dances around the maypole and doesn't do a thing to solve the problem."
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FIVE Broken Ribs?
Blindsided a U.S. Senator and tackled him unawares.
Protection of Officers and Employees of the United States
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1114
Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers or Employees
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/111
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Good Lord.
Throw the book at him. Preferably, right at the ribs.
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When I bruised my ribs on a mountain bike, from a sudden stop, my abdomen actually hit the handlebars and it bent the handlebars, steel. So, this must have been some tackle or however Senator Paul was injured.
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The FBI is apparently looking into this as should be as this was an assault on a sitting Senator. I sense that this may be politically motivated. His attacker was a physician as well and Paul was very outspoken against Bammycare; that's the only thing that makes sense right now. Anyone know if he actually has to physically be in the Senate in order to vote?? I'm hoping he can vote 'remotely' as the vote for the tax bill is just around the corner.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/rand-paul-recovering-following-assault-his-kentucky-home
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The left is crazy? Just 'Off the Deep End?'
Stupid like this deserves severe legal consequences.
If any of us here broke 5 of Anyone else's ribs you can take it to the bank we'd have the book thrown at us, but a U.S. Senator?
A U.S. Senator? It'd be Honey, Don't even think about mortgaging the house to make our bail. You're going to need every cent you can get just to keep the place, with us going indoors for a few years.
This is a swamp denizen responding to Sen Paul's "No, this bill just dances around the maypole and doesn't do a thing to solve the problem."
FIVE Broken Ribs?
Blindsided a U.S. Senator and tackled him unawares.
Protection of Officers and Employees of the United States
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1114
Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers or Employees
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/111
I’m confused about the point you are trying to make? Are you inferring that Paul deserved it somehow or that you don’t believe he suffered 5 broken ribs or it was somehow exaggerated? FWIW broken ribs can be life threatening.
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/rib-fractures-can-result-in-serious-complications/ (https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/rib-fractures-can-result-in-serious-complications/)
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I’m confused about the point you are trying to make? Are you inferring that Paul deserved it somehow or that you don’t believe he suffered 5 broken ribs or it was somehow exaggerated? FWIW broken ribs can be life threatening.
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/rib-fractures-can-result-in-serious-complications/ (https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/rib-fractures-can-result-in-serious-complications/)
I wouldn't have bothered to link to U.S. Title 18 Federal Criminal Code if I'd been trolling anyone about the severity of Senator's Paul's injuries, or the fact that this Attack was a Federal Offense.
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The FBI is apparently looking into this as should be as this was an assault on a sitting Senator. I sense that this may be politically motivated. His attacker was a physician as well and Paul was very outspoken against Bammycare; that's the only thing that makes sense right now. Anyone know if he actually has to physically be in the Senate in order to vote?? I'm hoping he can vote 'remotely' as the vote for the tax bill is just around the corner.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/rand-paul-recovering-following-assault-his-kentucky-home
I would think a doctor would be against Bammy care. Does it somehow help doctors? It sure doesn't help anyone else.
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The FBI is apparently looking into this as should be as this was an assault on a sitting Senator. I sense that this may be politically motivated. His attacker was a physician as well and Paul was very outspoken against Bammycare; that's the only thing that makes sense right now. Anyone know if he actually has to physically be in the Senate in order to vote?? I'm hoping he can vote 'remotely' as the vote for the tax bill is just around the corner.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/rand-paul-recovering-following-assault-his-kentucky-home
It would appear (at least from this source) that Senators may not vote 'in abstentia'. They have to be physically present.
https://www.quora.com/Can-a-United-States-Senator-vote-in-absentia
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It would appear (at least from this source) that Senators may not vote 'in abstentia'. They have to be physically present.
https://www.quora.com/Can-a-United-States-Senator-vote-in-absentia
There was a long-standing practice in the Senate called 'vote-pairing' where opposing Senators paired up, in that if one member of the pair was physically unable to cast a vote, the other member would abstain from voting in order to cancel out the other non-vote. It was a Gentleman's agreement that was honored many times over the years, until the Democrats decided to violate it within the last 10 years.
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The left is crazy? Just 'Off the Deep End?'
Stupid like this deserves severe legal consequences.
If any of us here broke 5 of Anyone else's ribs you can take it to the bank we'd have the book thrown at us, but a U.S. Senator?
A U.S. Senator? It'd be Honey, Don't even think about mortgaging the house to make our bail. You're going to need every cent you can get just to keep the place, with us going indoors for a few years.
This is a swamp denizen responding to Sen Paul's "No, this bill just dances around the maypole and doesn't do a thing to solve the problem."
At least the authorities have determined the motive, or what wasn't the motive, of at least one of these crimes. ABC reports that the pain specialist was absolutely, positively NOT motivated by politics.
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It would appear (at least from this source) that Senators may not vote 'in abstentia'. They have to be physically present.
https://www.quora.com/Can-a-United-States-Senator-vote-in-absentia
Well, maybe voting can be delayed?
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The FBI is apparently looking into this as should be as this was an assault on a sitting Senator. I sense that this may be politically motivated.
@libertybele
I heard an update. The bad guy's attorney said it was not political and he hoped the two men could be friends now.
There was no mention of why the guy did this and evidently Paul isn't talking about it, either.
With the ways things are going in this country, better be glad Paul is still alive, so many are dead now who were alive in the church and in Las Vegas.
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@libertybele
I heard an update. The bad guy's attorney said it was not political and he hoped the two men could be friends now.
There was no mention of why the guy did this and evidently Paul isn't talking about it, either.
With the ways things are going in this country, better be glad Paul is still alive, so many are dead now who were alive in the church and in Las Vegas.
I heard that's what the attorney said too.
Fat chance it wasn't political.
About as much chance that the Texas monster's motive wasn't at all religious.
They're trying to ignore the obvious, if you ask me.
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Defense attorneys are known for telling the truth about their clients.
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I heard that's what the attorney said too.
Fat chance it wasn't political.
About as much chance that the Texas monster's motive wasn't at all religious.
They're trying to ignore the obvious, if you ask me.
According to a piece on Red State, the men had been neighbors for years and for all that time, they had been fighting (legally) over a property line dispute.
I'm thinking some things.
One, it is refreshing that a U.S. Senator was out mowing his own lawn and,
Two, bitterness over minor things like property lines is ridiculous. I don't think Rand was bitter but I think his neighbor was.
A long while back my son lived at Lake Texoma where he had a boat docked. He was in a property line dispute with a neighbor who was a real jackass. He was in the right and wouldn't back off. One day, he told me the dispute was settled. When I asked him about it, he said, "I realized the fight was upsetting my wife and it just wasn't worth it."
It's not worth it, people.