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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: Elderberry on May 09, 2020, 03:29:01 am
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Texas Tribune by Nick Miroff and Josh Dawsey, The Washington Post May 6, 2020
The president’s determination to have the border wall coated in black has fluctuated during the past several years. He has insisted that the dark color will enhance the wall's forbidding appearance and leave the steel too hot to touch during summer months.
President Trump is once more pushing to have his border wall painted black, a design change that is projected to add at least $500 million in costs, according to government contracting estimates obtained by The Washington Post.
The president’s determination to have the steel bollards coated in black has fluctuated during the past several years, and military commanders and border officials believed as recently as last fall that they had finally talked him out of it. They consider the black paint unnecessary, costly and a significant long-term maintenance burden, and they left it out of the original U.S. Customs and Border Protection design specifications.
The Post obtained a copy of painting estimates that federal contracting officials produced, and it shows costs ranging from $500 million for two coats of acrylic paint to more than $3 billion for a premium “powder coating†on the structure’s 30-foot steel bollards, the high end of the options the officials have identified.
The White House has not yet chosen a grade of paint, but Trump has insisted for years that the barrier should be black to discourage climbers. He has favored a shade known as “flat black†or “matte black†because of its heat-absorbent properties.
More: https://www.texastribune.org/2020/05/06/trump-border-wall-paint-it-black/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2020/05/06/trump-border-wall-paint-it-black/)
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Chump change. GO FOR IT POTUS. NO ONE CARED THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO IRAN/IRAQ. Don't quibble now. Our country is lost. GO BLACK...YOU NEVER GO BACK. HA!
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Paint it black, it absorbs sunlight and gets hot. Very hot.
Ever grab a piece of black metal that's laid out in the sun?
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Paint it black, it absorbs sunlight and gets hot. Very hot.
Ever grab a piece of black metal that's laid out in the sun?
Sorta. Ever grabbed a piece of metal painted Hugger Orange that's been laying out in the sun?
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Sorta. Ever grabbed a piece of metal painted Hugger Orange that's been laying out in the sun?
Can't say I have.
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Can't say I have.
Really, the parts that matter are metal and hot sun.
I had a spud bar that was kinda a deep purpley red... Got hot as heck, and half the time I would lose it in the grass for it's dark earthy tone... So I scuffed it up and painted it white. Still every bit as hot. So I painted it yellow so I could still find it and it wouldn't hurt my eye to look at it... The color didn't matter to the heat.
But I also know better than to have a black interior on my truck.
Go figger :shrug:
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Paint it black, it absorbs sunlight and gets hot. Very hot.
Ever grab a piece of black metal that's laid out in the sun?
YES. And each year the ILLEGALS....cost us $746.3 BILLION DOLLARS! Each year, from IMMIGRATION SITE....now blocked from view. EACH YEAR. Again, chump change...for all the expense and deaths, drugs, the ILLEGALS COST US.
WELFARE! FREE MONEY IF THEY FILE 1040..they use E.I.C. and child credit. Receive back about 10K...then they can go back 3 years, and receive another 30K. We are raped in so many ways. MS-13. DRUG CARTELS. POTUS IS CLEANING THAT OUT.
Oh, then the coyote's who kidnappe sp? children for sex slaves and women over the border. We have a picture of that. They make the kids wear diapers, so they don't have to stop when traveling, smuggling, them. Children 7, 8 years old.
I guess that does a body good? Rashes, infections, burns. Lovely.
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And more jobs are created! Painters need a job?
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And more jobs are created! Painters need a job?
woohoo! gubmint jobs! *****rollingeyes*****
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woohoo! gubmint jobs! *****rollingeyes*****
CONTRACTOR IS HIRED. They pay painters & take fica, WH from them. You have no problem with DO NOTHING DEMON-RATS IN CONGRESS. WHY THIS? It will stop expense of having so many ILLEGALS..$746.3 billion each year, each year!
Did someone ever tell you, life is not perfect? OH POTUS does NOT TAKE HIS $400 K PAY, EACH YEAR. TIMES 4 IS?
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CONTRACTOR IS HIRED. They pay painters & take fica, WH from them. You have no problem with DO NOTHING DEMON-RATS IN CONGRESS. WHY THIS? It will stop expense of having so many ILLEGALS..$746.3 billion each year, each year!
Did someone ever tell you, life is not perfect? OH POTUS does NOT TAKE HIS $400 K PAY, EACH YEAR. TIMES 4 IS?
Paint don't help a damn thing, so no. First half decent sandstorm and you'll know what I mean.
We ain't got the dang money.
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Sorta. Ever grabbed a piece of metal painted Hugger Orange that's been laying out in the sun?
Yeah. I have. Weirdest thing. We don't really have "tornadoes" like the "rea"l tornadoes. But by freak of chance, darest not I say by Divine Inspiration, tornadoes happen around here all the time. Me and my dad had a piece land at out doorstep{s). Enough there to craftitize a good wood lathe and the base of a wood splitter. A couple more spinners and we were fledged.
One man's treasure is insured. Another man's treasure is gold.
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Heck, Put some cups/bowls/buckets with small holes on top filled with black grease. Probable cheaper and better rust prevention. Added benefit of making poles harder to scale.
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Paint don't help a damn thing, so no. First half decent sandstorm and you'll know what I mean.
We ain't got the dang money.
comon.
The only way to farm, season after season, is with roll of baling twine (wire) , pump pliers, crescent wrench, duct tape, and spray paint.
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Heck, Put some cups/bowls/buckets with small holes on top filled with black grease. Probable cheaper and better rust prevention. Added benefit of making poles harder to scale.
Used to save all the tractor oil in 55 gallon barrels. Stick your fence posts in and then turn them over. But that was just for fence posts. If you wanted really good big long treated wood hang around when they were replacing old bridges with fancy iron.
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Chump change. GO FOR IT POTUS. NO ONE CARED THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO IRAN/IRAQ. Don't quibble now. Our country is lost. GO BLACK...YOU NEVER GO BACK. HA!
*****rollingeyes*****
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*****rollingeyes*****
Better red than dead.
teehee
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Black is good. It's a formal barrier.
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAgnJDJN4VA#)
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Technically, @LegalAmerican, is correct.
And, as they say, it is the technique.
BLM Hydromet--Upper Snake Region.
Dropped it.
Under 14,000
My Indian spiritual guide, "He Who Walks Through Shallow Waters", says fishing will be better than last year's trolling.
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niCG-LDrN9Q#)
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Black is good. It's a formal barrier.
LOL
no...wait...
LOL
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I think driving up the cost of the wall is absurd and counterproductive - how much additional wall can be built with the $500 million it's going to cost to paint the darn things? Once the wall is completed, then we can worry about what color to paint it. Let's get the darn thing built!
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I think driving up the cost of the wall is absurd and counterproductive - how much additional wall can be built with the $500 million it's going to cost to paint the darn things? Once the wall is completed, then we can worry about what color to paint it. Let's get the darn thing built!
The wall has always been there.
It is your compliance to the propaganda structured and administered by the FED/Gov that has blinded you.
Before you put a mask over your mouth, take the one off from your eyes.
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The wall has always been there.
It is your compliance to the propaganda structured and administered by the FED/Gov that has blinded you.
Before you put a mask over your mouth, take the one off from your eyes.
???? No, the wall is NOT 100% completed because it has not been 100% funded in order to complete AND a lot of the current funding has gone to repair or replace existing fencing. As for blinders -- definitely not. I haven't had contact with a couple of people that I've known who used to 'visit' along the TX, CA and AZ borders ... perhaps things have changed ... it's been awhile.
IF indeed the wall has been completed along the entire coast of the U.S., let me know, otherwise, I think you're the one that needs to take the mask off your eyes.
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???? No, the wall is NOT 100% completed because it has not been 100% funded in order to complete AND a lot of the current funding has gone to repair or replace existing fencing. As for blinders -- definitely not. I haven't had contact with a couple of people that I've known who used to 'visit' along the TX, CA and AZ borders ... perhaps things have changed ... it's been awhile.
IF indeed the wall has been completed along the entire coast of the U.S., let me know, otherwise, I think you're the one that needs to take the mask off your eyes.
I think the claimed total of border wall, completer, being built, and planned comes to roughly 1/4 of the border, a little under 500 miles.
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???? No, the wall is NOT 100% completed because it has not been 100% funded in order to complete AND a lot of the current funding has gone to repair or replace existing fencing. As for blinders -- definitely not. I haven't had contact with a couple of people that I've known who used to 'visit' along the TX, CA and AZ borders ... perhaps things have changed ... it's been awhile.
IF indeed the wall has been completed along the entire coast of the U.S., let me know, otherwise, I think you're the one that needs to take the mask off your eyes.
The Founders built the wall. They called it the Constitution. There have been some additions.
The laws are in the books. ENFORCE THE LAW.
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The Founders built the wall. They called it the Constitution. There have been some additions.
The laws are in the books. ENFORCE THE LAW.
That's pretty much the upshot of all this. It doesn't matter how much we spend on a wall, it's useless if we don't enforce laws that are already on the books.
It's like the discussion @Chosen Daughter started recently (on an unrelated Topic) about holes being cut in the Bollard poles. Anybody, given enough time, can cut through any fence. It's pointless if that fence doesn't get patrolled, and patrols are guaranteed to stop the instant any Democrat gets elected President.
This is why a solid barrier has appeal: Even when the commie Rats eventually get a President, a wall or fence is "passive," and not prone to failures of the Rats who will do everything they can to dismantle the border. They really hate Americans.
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That's pretty much the upshot of all this. It doesn't matter how much we spend on a wall, it's useless if we don't enforce laws that are already on the books.
It's like the discussion @Chosen Daughter started recently (on an unrelated Topic) about holes being cut in the Bollard poles. Anybody, given enough time, can cut through any fence. It's pointless if that fence doesn't get patrolled, and patrols are guaranteed to stop the instant any Democrat gets elected President.
This is why a solid barrier has appeal: Even when the commie Rats eventually get a President, a wall or fence is "passive," and not prone to failures of the Rats who will do everything they can to dismantle the border. They really hate Americans.
Precisely. Also why I have been against the whole "virtual wall" concept. While all that tech can be an aid to a vigilant enforcement agency, the minute someone pulls the plug, you got nothing.
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Precisely. Also why I have been against the whole "virtual wall" concept. While all that tech can be an aid to a vigilant enforcement agency, the minute someone pulls the plug, you got nothing.
As evidenced by the resistance of the Rats at every turn to fix things.
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That's pretty much the upshot of all this. It doesn't matter how much we spend on a wall, it's useless if we don't enforce laws that are already on the books.
It's like the discussion @Chosen Daughter started recently (on an unrelated Topic) about holes being cut in the Bollard poles. Anybody, given enough time, can cut through any fence. It's pointless if that fence doesn't get patrolled, and patrols are guaranteed to stop the instant any Democrat gets elected President.
This is why a solid barrier has appeal: Even when the commie Rats eventually get a President, a wall or fence is "passive," and not prone to failures of the Rats who will do everything they can to dismantle the border. They really hate Americans.
Well it ain't no where near done enough to even worry about yet, and probably won't be. A fence ain't a fence until it is all the way done. Right now they can just drive around the end of it almost everywhere.
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Well it ain't no where near done enough to even worry about yet, and probably won't be. A fence ain't a fence until it is all the way done. Right now they can just drive around the end of it almost everywhere.
Absolutely true. It's not done and its absurd to spend money on painting the darn thing when the money could be spent towards completing it. Paint the darn thing purple, black, orange with zebra stripes, I don't care, but FIRST get the thing completely built.
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Has anyone actually read the article .... written by Nick Miroff and Josh Dawsey with The Washington Post??
Anyone??
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Absolutely true. It's not done and its absurd to spend money on painting the darn thing when the money could be spent towards completing it. Paint the darn thing purple, black, orange with zebra stripes, I don't care, but FIRST get the thing completely built.
I agree with that, very much, being that I live here. But I have to point out, @roamer_1, there are many places on the AZ/CA/NM border where the desert is more formidable than most fences. You can't just "drive around the end" when the Sonoran Desert looks like this:
(https://cdn.britannica.com/13/4313-004-719153FA.jpg)
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Has anyone actually read the article .... written by Nick Miroff and Josh Dawsey with The Washington Post??
Anyone??
Not me. I'm tired of the cat and mouse game I need to play to get past their paywalls and ad-blocker-blockers. :shrug:
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Has anyone actually read the article .... written by Nick Miroff and Josh Dawsey with The Washington Post??
Anyone??
Yes, I have ... it unfortunately reminded me that Kushner was now in charge of this project.
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Well it ain't no where near done enough to even worry about yet, and probably won't be. A fence ain't a fence until it is all the way done. Right now they can just drive around the end of it almost everywhere.
The wall's coming along quite nicely .... here's a video shot in early March. You'll be happy to know construction on the wall did not stop during the lockdown.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piVd_6VPpyM#)
And more good news @roamer_1 ....
First border wall contract awarded for Laredo, Texas at $275 million
NBC/Austin, May 9, 2020
McALLEN, TEXAS (Border Report) — A $275 million contract has been awarded to an Alabama company to start construction of a 14-mile border wall in Laredo, Texas.
Similar to other portions of border wall being built in South Texas and throughout the Southwest, this project will consist of a 30-foot-high bollard wall with all weather roads, enforcement cameras and special lighting, according to a announcement made by U.S. Customs and Border Protection late Friday.
This will be the first portion of a border wall to go up in Laredo, which sits across the Rio Grande from Nuevo Laredo, Mexico.
The contract was awarded to Caddell Construction Company LLC of Montgomery, Alabama, and construction is slated to begin in January 2021. However, much of the land in Webb County is privately owned and must be obtained before construction can begin.
Hundreds of Laredoans have voiced opposition to a border wall encircling their city. Since last fall they have held a river sit-in and a downtown march, drawing supporters from across the nation.
Most recently, U.S. Reps. Henry Cuellar and Vicente Gonzalez, two Democrats from Texas, filed legislation to designate the area as a historic heritage corridor that might possibly impact border wall plans, Gonzalez told Border Report.
Nevertheless, it appears that construction is slated to go forward.
https://www.kxan.com/news/first-border-wall-contract-awarded-for-laredo-texas-at-275-million/ (https://www.kxan.com/news/first-border-wall-contract-awarded-for-laredo-texas-at-275-million/)
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Absolutely true. It's not done and its absurd to spend money on painting the darn thing when the money could be spent towards completing it. Paint the darn thing purple, black, orange with zebra stripes, I don't care, but FIRST get the thing completely built.
That's right.
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The wall's coming along quite nicely .... here's a video shot in early March. You'll be happy to know construction on the wall did not stop during the lockdown.
*YAWN*
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I agree with that, very much, being that I live here. But I have to point out, @roamer_1, there are many places on the AZ/CA/NM border where the desert is more formidable than most fences. You can't just "drive around the end" when the Sonoran Desert looks like this:
I get it... You know I can walk across the Canadian border anytime I want, right? I know how it works.
Though even up here it's getting harder.
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I get it... You know I can walk across the Canadian border anytime I want, right? I know how it works.
Though even up here it's getting harder.
Yes, I know that about your border because I was born and raised in Michigan. In AZ, the border looks like that picture, and in the summer it's north of 110F every day. :shrug:
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Thanks for the video @Right_in_Virginia Bollards filled with concrete happy77 Still ... using money for paint instead of erecting more of the wall doesn't make sense. Get 'er done period.
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Yes, I have ... it unfortunately reminded me that Kushner was now in charge of this project.
THAT'S what you got from this rambling tome??? :facepalm2:
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Thanks for the video @Right_in_Virginia Bollards filled with concrete happy77 Still ... using money for paint instead of erecting more of the wall doesn't make sense. Get 'er done period.
Please, stop treating the "paint story" as though it's a serious one.
Please.
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Please, stop treating the "paint story" as though it's a serious one.
Please.
Reminds me of the Great Covfefe Debate. Tempest meets Teapot. :whistle:
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THAT'S what you got from this rambling tome??? :facepalm2:
Nope. You asked if I read the article. I simply stated that I had read the article and it mentioned Kushner ... I had forgotten he was in charge of the project.
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*YAWN*
Oh, look. Good news bores Dances with Horses. Shocking. 88devil
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Please, stop treating the "paint story" as though it's a serious one.
Please.
Obviously then, money for the wall isn't an issue anymore? I didn't realize that it was completely funded.
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Oh, look. Good news bores Dances with Horses. Shocking. 88devil
It isn't good news. It's the same ol song.
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Obviously then, money for the wall isn't an issue anymore? I didn't realize that it was completely funded.
Come on @libertybele The article is creative writing by two Washington Post staffers with too much time on their hands.
The article doesn't pass the sniff test ... any sniff test. This is just filler for the hate Trump quota imposed by madman Bezos.
This is wannabe real.
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Come on @libertybele The article is creative writing by two Washington Post staffers with too much time on their hands.
The article doesn't pass the sniff test ... any sniff test. This is just filler for the hate Trump quota imposed by madman Bezos.
This is wannabe real.
Fair enough.
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Obviously then, money for the wall isn't an issue anymore? I didn't realize that it was completely funded.
A half a Billion is a pretty hefty price tag to begin with. What are they painting it with? Ceramic?
@roamer_1 is right on the money...it doesn't matter what color it is, in the 110 degree sunlight all colors get too hot to handle, even with gloves. Hell, don't paint it at all, or just use primer. NASA discovered with the second flight of the Space Shuttle they can cut hundreds of pounds from the weight of the payload by simply not painting the huge fuel tank (which gets thrown away). That's why they were primer orange.
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Come on @libertybele The article is creative writing by two Washington Post staffers with too much time on their hands.
The article doesn't pass the sniff test ... any sniff test. This is just filler for the hate Trump quota imposed by madman Bezos.
This is wannabe real.
I can agree with that pretty easily.
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That's pretty much the upshot of all this. It doesn't matter how much we spend on a wall, it's useless if we don't enforce laws that are already on the books.
It's like the discussion @Chosen Daughter started recently (on an unrelated Topic) about holes being cut in the Bollard poles. Anybody, given enough time, can cut through any fence. It's pointless if that fence doesn't get patrolled, and patrols are guaranteed to stop the instant any Democrat gets elected President.
This is why a solid barrier has appeal: Even when the commie Rats eventually get a President, a wall or fence is "passive," and not prone to failures of the Rats who will do everything they can to dismantle the border. They really hate Americans.
Disagree. We DO NOT have the laws to protect our borders. That was changed in 1965 & other demon-rat LAWS PUT IN, that once illegals touch our land, we cannot touch them. DEMON-RATS...called them "migrants" & we cannot shoot them, harm them in anyway. Should I post all of that? The barrier was created, by suggestions from BORDER PATROL..who need to see what is going on, on the other side.
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Come on @libertybele The article is creative writing by two Washington Post staffers with too much time on their hands.
The article doesn't pass the sniff test ... any sniff test. This is just filler for the hate Trump quota imposed by madman Bezos.
This is wannabe real.
I didn't look at the date, nor who wrote it. MORE OLD NEWS? About 2 years ago, POTUS mentioned, he might want to paint it black, but nothing was decided on that yet. So now, I need to look at the date AGAIN, by this poster. Thank you.