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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on October 28, 2013, 10:44:00 pm
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/28/Dem-Strategist-Dem-Party-is-Fed (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/28/Dem-Strategist-Dem-Party-is-Fed)
by Mike Flynn 28 Oct 2013, 10:06 AM PDT
Ron Fournier, an honest liberal at National Journal, reported Monday that a senior Democrat strategist, with close ties to the White House, sent him an email over the weekend. The subject line was "Dem Party Is F****d." The substance of the email was the ongoing failures with ObamaCare. Not the website problems, however. The looming problem for the Democrat party is the actual impact of the program.
In his email, the Democrat strategists excerpted a story from the LA Times about the sticker shock many middle class Californians were experiencing with the new insurance policies under ObamaCare. President Obama repeatedly promised that "if you like your plan, you can keep it." It turns out, that wasn't true. The coverage mandates in ObamaCare have forced many insurers to cancel their existing policies, forcing individuals into more expensive coverage.
"I was all for Obamacare," wrote a young woman complaining about a 50 percent rate hike, "until I found out I was paying for it."
ObamaCare was passed over three years ago. Democrats, at the time, predicted that the public would come to approve the new program after it was implemented. Just four weeks into implementation, Democrats are scurrying to mitigate the effects of the law. Vulnerable Democrats in the Senate are pushing to delay the individual mandate, an action that would completely undo the economic assumptions underlying ObamaCare.
Seasoned Democrats may worry that the party is f****d because of ObamaCare, but they may still win a reprieve. The GOP Establishment has declared war on the Tea Party, whose every prognostication of ObamaCare has been proved right. Typically, the GOP is ready to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again!
The Democrat party is destined to become the 21st century's Whig party!
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The GOP Establishment has declared war on the Tea Party, whose every prognostication of ObamaCare has been proved right. Typically, the GOP is ready to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
The Tea Party declared war on the GOP Establishment. The GOP Establishment is just responding in kind. The GOPe has now decided that the Tea Party is no longer just a wacky nuisance, but in fact a dangerous growth that must be excised. I missed the prognostications of the Tea Party but I do remember 41 votes in the House to repeal Obamacare. I also remember Obamacare passing without a single GOP vote. The GOP was sitting pretty on this issue long before Cruz shutdown the GOP brand.
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Interesting.
I thought this thread was about the admission of a "senior Democrat strategist" that ObamaCare may prove to be extremely inimical to the future of the Democrat Party. Yet having read through it I discover it's actually about how the Tea Party and Ted Cruz will prove the ruin of the Republican Party.
It's kinda like an earlier thread about McConnell that somehow morphed into just another attack on Cruz.
I am beginning to wonder if certain people on here aren't monomaniacs with an almost ADHD obsession with one subject they repeat over and over again no matter what the actual topic is.
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To date not a single Republican has voted for Obamacare. Not a TP, or GOPe, not one.
THAT should be the selling point to hold the House and take the Senate, next year.
Not this stupid infighting.
Because it looks now like the dems will have to defend this turkey, all of their own making.
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Interesting.
I thought this thread was about the admission of a "senior Democrat strategist" that ObamaCare may prove to be extremely inimical to the future of the Democrat Party. Yet having read through it I discover it's actually about how the Tea Party and Ted Cruz will prove the ruin of the Republican Party.
It's kinda like an earlier thread about McConnell that somehow morphed into just another attack on Cruz.
I am beginning to wonder if certain people on here aren't monomaniacs with an almost ADHD obsession with one subject they repeat over and over again no matter what the actual topic is.
"Certain" people on here need to remember the last election and how Karl Rove's little white board was wrong.
The democrats will continue to win regardless of what they do, as long as the government buys the votes for over half the people in the United States.
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Interesting.
I thought this thread was about the admission of a "senior Democrat strategist" that ObamaCare may prove to be extremely inimical to the future of the Democrat Party. Yet having read through it I discover it's actually about how the Tea Party and Ted Cruz will prove the ruin of the Republican Party.
It's kinda like an earlier thread about McConnell that somehow morphed into just another attack on Cruz.
I am beginning to wonder if certain people on here aren't monomaniacs with an almost ADHD obsession with one subject they repeat over and over again no matter what the actual topic is.
I didn't bring up the Tea Party. The author Mike Flynn did...or didn't you notice the last 2 lines I quoted and to which I responded. That's how a news forum works newbie.
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I didn't bring up the Tea Party. The author Mike Flynn did...or didn't you notice the last 2 lines I quoted and to which I responded. That's how a news forum works newbie.
Please, if there is one thing I detest more than "prolly" is "newbie/noob". We can disagree without condescension.
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Commiecrats are screwed just because of Obamacare? This guy wasn't thinking. What about IRS intrusions, NSA intrusions, Benghazi, more deaths in Afghanistan than under Bush, Fast & Furious, Obama showing disdain for Veterans during the so-called shut down, the disdain for Americans in the same so-called shut down, support of the muslim brotherhood, more people on welfare and food stamps than ever, 93 million people out of work, most of the jobs created in the past two years are part time, Obama making laws with presidential orders, to name but a few Obama "opportunities." And its only Obamacare that is a problem? God help us! :amen:
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Please, if there is one thing I detest more than "prolly" is "newbie/noob". We can disagree without condescension.
What is an non-condescending label for a person who is silent when others are called "monomaniacs with an almost ADHD obsession with one subject they repeat over and over again no matter what the actual topic is," but this same person gets indignant when someone is called a newbie?
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The DNC is hurting for money, compared to the RNC.
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What is an non-condescending label for a person who is silent when others are called "monomaniacs with an almost ADHD obsession with one subject they repeat over and over again no matter what the actual topic is," but this same person gets indignant when someone is called a newbie?
A buttinski
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What am I missing? The "newbie" has over 4400 posts and the wiseacre has about 1100 posts. :shrug:
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"I was all for Obamacare," wrote a young woman complaining about a 50 percent rate hike, "until I found out I was paying for it."
Typical lib. Everything's great as long as they're spending OPM.
Simple thieves is all they are...
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To date not a single Republican has voted for Obamacare. Not a TP, or GOPe, not one.
THAT should be the selling point to hold the House and take the Senate, next year.
Not this stupid infighting.
Because it looks now like the dems will have to defend this turkey, all of their own making.
Cheering for passive resistance? What else did the Republicans do to fight the Obamacare onslaught, other than "not vote for it?"
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wZFhPjm3kJk/UTjnRFbPaII/AAAAAAAABqM/lLMad5OF23M/s640/Pat+Finished.JPG)
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The DNC is hurting for money, compared to the RNC.
Not as long as George Soros is alive. :da man:
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Cheering for passive resistance? What else did the Republicans do to fight the Obamacare onslaught, other than "not vote for it?"
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wZFhPjm3kJk/UTjnRFbPaII/AAAAAAAABqM/lLMad5OF23M/s640/Pat+Finished.JPG)
"Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are people who want crops without ploughing the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning; they want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. The struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, or it may be both. But it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." -- Frederick Douglass
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"Certain" people on here need to remember the last election and how Karl Rove's little white board was wrong.
The democrats will continue to win regardless of what they do, as long as the government buys the votes for over half the people in the United States.
That's a fact. Americans are so stupid, they don't even get upset about things that affect their daily lives, unless the media tells them to be upset.
Add into the mix the fact that the Republicans are constantly striving to find ways to screw themselves up, and it looks to me like the Dems will comfortably make gains in 2014.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again!
The Democrat party is destined to become the 21st century's Whig party!
Well, I hope I live to see it but I'm not holding my breath.
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"I was all for Obamacare," wrote a young woman complaining about a 50 percent rate hike, "until I found out I was paying for it."
Typical lib. Everything's great as long as they're spending OPM.
Simple thieves is all they are...
Yeah, it was all good as long as they thought the "RICH" were being soaked and the EEEEVIL insurance companies were going to be punished.
Stupid fools.
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There is a way to beat them at their own game. If they run a Hispanic, run a black as a third party. If they run a black, run a Hispanic. If they run a woman, run a gay.
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What am I missing? The "newbie" has over 4400 posts and the wiseacre has about 1100 posts. :shrug:
And makes much more interesting posts.
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Cheering for passive resistance? What else did the Republicans do to fight the Obamacare onslaught, other than "not vote for it?"
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wZFhPjm3kJk/UTjnRFbPaII/AAAAAAAABqM/lLMad5OF23M/s640/Pat+Finished.JPG)
Passed bills to repeal it 41 times in the House that the Senate never took up.
What else did you expect them to do? The defunding strategy was a disaster and would not have worked if EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN had voted for it.
Without the Senate and the White House, Obamacare cannot be repealed.
All this silly infighting will do nothing but weaken the Republican Party and prevent any progress.
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Might I remind you that YOU were the one promulgating all this "silly infighting" here the entire time the shutdown negotiations were taking place.
What, are the GOPe's internals showing a rise in support for the TP or something?
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Might I remind you that YOU were the one promulgating all this "silly infighting" here the entire time the shutdown negotiations were taking place.
What, are the GOPe's internals showing a rise in support for the TP or something?
No I wasn't. I was criticizing Ted Cruz and Mike Lee for their fools errand of trying to defund Obamacare. Everyone with a brain in his/her head told them it wouldn't work and it didn't work and wouldn't have worked if every Republican Senator had backed Cruz.
The problem the Tea Party has is that it's a minority of the Republican Party and will likely stay that way. So, all the Tea party can do is screw things up. It cannot advance anything on its own without the cooperation of the majority of the GOP.
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No I wasn't. I was criticizing Ted Cruz and Mike Lee for their fools errand of trying to defund Obamacare. Everyone with a brain in his/her head told them it wouldn't work and it didn't work and wouldn't have worked if every Republican Senator had backed Cruz.
The problem the Tea Party has is that it's a minority of the Republican Party and will likely stay that way. So, all the Tea party can do is screw things up. It cannot advance anything on its own without the cooperation of the majority of the GOP.
If it is a minority of the republican party and all it can screw up, why can't we say the same about the congressional black caucus? You try saying that and the FBI, CIA, NSA, TWA (had to throw that one in) will be you like white on rice for being a racist.
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Once again the monomaniacs hijack a thread.
The title is: Dem Strategist: 'Party Is F****d'. The opening paragraph and the three paragraphs following develop THIS topic. Then in paragraph 5, less than 3 full lines, the author takes the obligatory cheap shot at Senator Cruz and monomaniacs pounce with unrestrained glee.
So boring. So predictable. So annoying. One wonders if they can find anything else to talk about. Anything.
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The problem the Tea Party has is that it's a minority of the Republican Party and will likely stay that way. So, all the Tea party can do is screw things up. It cannot advance anything on its own without the cooperation of the majority of the GOP.
The Tea Party is going to get a pretty big bump....as the ;public learns firsthand what Obamacare means to them in $$$ and personal liberty...as well as what it's done to the economy/jobs.
Hopefully, they'll become a majority.....think 2010 squared.
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The Tea Party is going to get a pretty big bump....as the ;public learns firsthand what Obamacare means to them in $$$ and personal liberty...as well as what it's done to the economy/jobs.
Hopefully, they'll become a majority.....think 2010 squared.
I don't think so. Your model for Americans seems to be people who are hardworking, bright, and care.
I think Americans are stupid sheep who are led by the MSM.
The problems with Obamacare will be annoying to the public, but the media will remind them "at least they are trying, unlike those mean Republicans".
The MSM has damaged the Tea Party to the same level of Fox News, or Sarah Palin.
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I grew up during B&W television....when the bugle meant the Cavalry was cresting the hill to set things right. All in thirty minutes.
I still believe that when it comes to a person's wallet and household disposable income being affected by the premium rise....the tax on the employer contribution, etc., ....not being able to lease that BMW and instead pouring it into health insurance you didn't want or need.....that we're going to see a landslide of bliblical proportions.
Of course, I still have an unopened bottle of champagne in the refrigerator...meant to celebrate Romney's landslide win....so WTF do I know?
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I don't think so. Your model for Americans seems to be people who are hardworking, bright, and care.
I think Americans are stupid sheep who are led by the MSM.
The problems with Obamacare will be annoying to the public, but the media will remind them "at least they are trying, unlike those mean Republicans".
The MSM has damaged the Tea Party to the same level of Fox News, or Sarah Palin.
The Tea Party has damaged the Tea Party. That silly shutdown did more to damage the TP and the Republicans than anything in the last three years. Businesses which had backed the TP are now pulling away because of the tactics it favors.
As many predicted, Obamacare is in dire straits and is likely to stay there as more and more provisions of it become known. It will not achieve its enrollment objectives, and insurance premiums will skyrocket for those in the exchanges. Fewer and fewer people will then sign up, thus forcing it into a death spiral.
We need to be patient, not pull the shutdown stunt again. Refuse to improve the ACA or to fix it. It will be a good issue in 2014.
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The Tea Party has damaged the Tea Party. That silly shutdown did more to damage the TP and the Republicans than anything in the last three years. Businesses which had backed the TP are now pulling away because of the tactics it favors.
So boring. So predictable. So annoying.
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I don't think so. Your model for Americans seems to be people who are hardworking, bright, and care.
I think Americans are stupid sheep who are led by the MSM.
It's both, and unfortunately the sheep are overtaking the producers.
We are at the tipping point and winner seems to be the party with the most graft and corruption and control of the medias.
Guess who that is??
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Once again the monomaniacs hijack a thread.
The title is: Dem Strategist: 'Party Is F****d'. The opening paragraph and the three paragraphs following develop THIS topic. Then in paragraph 5, less than 3 full lines, the author takes the obligatory cheap shot at Senator Cruz and monomaniacs pounce with unrestrained glee.
So boring. So predictable. So annoying. One wonders if they can find anything else to talk about. Anything.
What would be refreshing would be to see them actually discuss the DEMOCRATIC party - especially since it is the title of this thread.
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The Tea Party has damaged the Tea Party. That silly shutdown did more to damage the TP and the Republicans than anything in the last three years. Businesses which had backed the TP are now pulling away because of the tactics it favors.
As many predicted, Obamacare is in dire straits and is likely to stay there as more and more provisions of it become known. It will not achieve its enrollment objectives, and insurance premiums will skyrocket for those in the exchanges. Fewer and fewer people will then sign up, thus forcing it into a death spiral.
We need to be patient, not pull the shutdown stunt again. Refuse to improve the ACA or to fix it. It will be a good issue in 2014.
This is so much B.S.
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What would be refreshing would be to see them actually discuss the DEMOCRATIC party - especially since it is the title of this thread.
Some of us have been while you and the rest of your TP crowd are trashing other Republicans.
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This is so much B.S.
Wow. Brilliant argument.
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It IS bullsh*t.
What's bullshit is that once again Cincinnatus starts his crap jumping around the forum...on MULTIPLE threads harassing and complaining about Sinkspur and the fact that a thread goes off-topic......like that doesn't happen all the freaking time.
What's bullshit is that then Rap gives him credence by going after Sinkspur. AGAIN!
Lighten up please. We were ignoring him nicely, until you came along.
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What would be refreshing would be to see them actually discuss the DEMOCRATIC party -
What a novel idea.
Or we could just whine endlessly because we are in charge and disapprove of something someone has posted.
What's bullshit is that once again Cincinnatus starts his crap jumping around the forum...on MULTIPLE threads harassing and complaining about Sinkspur and the fact that a thread goes off-topic......like that doesn't happen all the freaking time.
What's bullshit is that then Rap gives him credence by going after Sinkspur. AGAIN!
Why can't everyone find the same things important as this guy does and talk about nothing else? Life is such a biatch especially when yours is the only opinion that matters.
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It IS bullsh*t.
What's bullshit is that once again Cincinnatus starts his crap jumping around the forum...on MULTIPLE threads harassing and complaining about Sinkspur and the fact that a thread goes off-topic......like that doesn't happen all the freaking time.
What's bullshit is that then Rap gives him credence by going after Sinkspur. AGAIN!
Lighten up please. We were ignoring him nicely, until you came along.
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His constant changing the subject of every thread to anti Cruz and anti- Tea Party is what is getting old.
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His constant changing the subject of every thread to anti Cruz and anti- Tea Party is what is getting old.
Can you read? Cruz is mentioned in the article.
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It IS bullsh*t.
What's bullshit is that once again Cincinnatus starts his crap jumping around the forum...on MULTIPLE threads harassing and complaining about Sinkspur and the fact that a thread goes off-topic......like that doesn't happen all the freaking time.
What's bullshit is that then Rap gives him credence by going after Sinkspur. AGAIN!
Lighten up please. We were ignoring him nicely, until you came along.
Thanks DC. I have no idea what Cincinnatus says cuz I never see it.
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True dat: His constant changing the subject of every thread to anti Cruz and anti- Tea Party is what is getting old.
A small point somehow overlooked by DCP.
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Can you read? Cruz is mentioned in the article.
You need to go back and actually READ the article. No where in the article is Ted Cruz mentioned, just as he is not mentioned in a dozen other posts you've made about him. The very last paragraph makes mention of the Tea Party - not Ted Cruz. Newsflash - Ted Cruz is a member of the Tea Party - he is not THE Tea Party.
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The Tea Party declared war on the GOP Establishment. The GOP Establishment is just responding in kind. The GOPe has now decided that the Tea Party is no longer just a wacky nuisance, but in fact a dangerous growth that must be excised. I missed the prognostications of the Tea Party but I do remember 41 votes in the House to repeal Obamacare. I also remember Obamacare passing without a single GOP vote. The GOP was sitting pretty on this issue long before Cruz shutdown the GOP brand.
/snicker
I hear the sticky sound of sour grapes.
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No I wasn't. I was criticizing Ted Cruz and Mike Lee for their fools errand of trying to defund Obamacare. Everyone with a brain in his/her head told them it wouldn't work and it didn't work and wouldn't have worked if every Republican Senator had backed Cruz.
Criticizing? You were running around this forum for 2 weeks like some deranged, anti-Ted Cruz Rain Man making a total ass of yourself.
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FYI..not everything is about Ted Cruz!
If the tone of this thread doesn't change it will be locked..I am tired of doing this on perfectly good topics.
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Criticizing? You were running around this forum for 2 weeks like some deranged, anti-Ted Cruz Rain Man making a total ass of yourself.
No. TED CRUZ made an ass of himself, shutting down the government with no strategy as to how he was going to win and costing the entire Republican Party a huge hit in favorability.
But, hey, Ted's rakin' in the campaign dough, which was why he shut the government down in the first place.
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No. TED CRUZ made an ass of himself, shutting down the government with no strategy as to how he was going to win and costing the entire Republican Party a huge hit in favorability.
But, hey, Ted's rakin' in the campaign dough, which was why he shut the government down in the first place.
sink I think you are obsessed with Cruz..I just don't understand your hatred of him.
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Everyone I talk to, as well as post with on other sites, are admitting that Ted Cruz was right all along. He did America a favor by pointing out the lies in Obamacare. At the time, many considered him a fool. Now, some of the same people consider him a hero.
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Before you lock it up, let me just point out that Once Ler injected Cruz into the discussion in the SECOND comment-so he pretty much succeeded in derailing this thread from its original content--which was supposed to be a discussion on how f**ked the DEMOCRATS are.
This was by design--way to go Once Ler. ((Once Ler is a primo disruptor--why he is allowed to remain is a mystery to me)).
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Everyone contributed to the circle jerk.
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Everyone contributed to the circle jerk.
Yes, but everyone didn't START it.
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Yes, but everyone didn't START it.
After a certain point, does it really matter?
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sink I am not unlocking this thread so you can reply...if you want to say something take it to the The Boxing Ring.