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Title: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Rapunzel on December 11, 2013, 10:22:00 pm
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10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Dec. 11, 2013 4:51pm Jason Howerton

A college student in Duluth, Minn., may lose one or more of her hands and feet after spending a night unconscious on the porch of the house next-door to hers. Temperatures dropped to 17 below zero and wind chills reached 36 below overnight.

Miraculously though, she will survive.

Alyssa Jo Lommel, a student at the University of Minnesota Duluth, was found passed out by an unidentified individual on Saturday morning at an address near the university campus, according to police. She was wearing UGG boots, jeans, a sweater and a medium-weight jacket.

“Lommel was flown to Regions Hospital in St. Paul, where she was in critical condition on Tuesday,” the Star Tribune reports. “Lommel’s parents, Jay and Teri Lommel of St. Cloud, told the St. Cloud Times their daughter suffered significant damage to her hands and feet and could lose one or more of them.”
College Student Survives 17 Below Temperatures After Night of Drinking, Duluth

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Though details are still sketchy, police say Lommel, 19, had been out drinking with friends Friday night. She had a drink after work and later traveled to a friends house and played a drinking game called “ride the bus.” Lommel reportedly lost several rounds, resulting in several shots of liquor.

In a Twitter update on Friday, the student wrote, “tequila shots tonight.” It has since been deleted. Police also say they found a tweet that said, “Yum Yum 10th shot of tequila,” according to the Grand Forks Herald.

Sometime around 11 p.m., Lommel made plans to go home while the group went to another party, the report states. She got a ride home with friends and was dropped off in front of her house. Her friends claim she was buzzed but not intoxicated.

More form the Tribune:

   
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A woman riding down the street with her boyfriend about 9:30 a.m. Saturday happened to spot Lommel. She called police, telling them she’d found an unconscious young woman outside on a porch.

    Authorities arrived to find Lommel lying on her right side, “extremely cold and hypothermic,” the police report said. The house was empty, its occupants out of town.

    As authorities looked for blankets to cover Lommel while awaiting an ambulance, police found her wallet and keys and noticed tracks from her boots in the snow around the house. The tracks wound to a garage, around a parked car and a deck in back. Some tracks were “up near the house as if to use the house as a crutch to hold onto. They then had impressions as if the person was falling down, getting back up and crawled around the southwest corner facing Woodland Avenue,” the police report said.

    The biggest question yet to be answered is why Lommel wound up on the porch next-door as opposed to her own house. Some will certainly speculate that she was just too drunk, however, she was also reportedly on medication and it’s not certain what caused her to pass out.

College Student Survives 17 Below Temperatures After Night of Drinking, Duluth

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Also surprising is the fact that two of Lommel’s roommates arrived home later that night but didn’t notice anything was wrong.

Her parents, Jay and Teri Lommel, said they are “grateful for all the thoughts and prayers for our daughter” and asked for privacy “so that we may focus on her healing.”

Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: mountaineer on December 12, 2013, 01:35:22 am
One in a long line of cautionary tales, if only young people would pay attention.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Oceander on December 12, 2013, 02:01:20 am
That's a real shame.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: mountaineer on December 12, 2013, 02:11:02 am
They might want to add, "And don't drink to the point of unconsciousness."
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UMD statement on Alyssa Jo Lommel
Lisa Ann Erwin and Mike Seymour, vice chancellors at the University of Minnesota Duluth, issued the following statement to the UMD community Tuesday regarding Alyssa Jo Lommel
By: News Tribune staff, Duluth News Tribune (http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/event/article/id/285752/)


 
Lisa Ann Erwin and Mike Seymour, vice chancellors at the University of Minnesota Duluth, issued the following statement to the UMD community Tuesday regarding Alyssa Jo Lommel:

“Many members of our campus community have seen recent news stories about one of our students. Alyssa Jo Lommel, a sophomore majoring in psychology and sociology, has been hospitalized after sustaining injuries this past weekend. Our hearts are with Alyssa and her family in these difficult times.

“Alyssa’s friends have been deeply affected by this tragedy, and we encourage students to reach out to UMD Health Services for counseling and support.

“The UMD Police Department urges caution in the extreme cold. Travel in groups. Let people know where and when you will be traveling, and check in.

“UMD Health Services warns that exposure to extremely cold weather without proper clothing or apparel can result in significant bodily injury including frostbite, hypothermia and even death in a very short period of time. Protect yourself, first and foremost, by limiting time spent in such dangerous conditions. If you do need to be outside, dress in layers, wear warm winter boots and cover the hands, ears and face with mittens, a hat and scarf or face mask since these areas of the body are most vulnerable to cold-induced injury.

“Please help us with heightening awareness for winter safety and for looking out for ourselves and one another.”
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Atomic Cow on December 12, 2013, 03:16:44 am
Pretty girl, who clearly had absolutely no common sense.

Why do people think that drinking to the point of becoming ill or even unconscious is fun?

Fun to me is not feeling like I got run over by a freight train.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Oceander on December 12, 2013, 03:23:08 am
Pretty girl, who clearly had absolutely no common sense.

Why do people think that drinking to the point of becoming ill or even unconscious is fun?

Fun to me is not feeling like I got run over by a freight train.

I don't think it's so much that they feel it's fun to drink to the point of becoming ill, but more that they really don't have much experience with alcohol when they get to college, where there are few if any practical limits on their ability to drink, and so they tend to treat drinking alcohol like drinking soda - the effects stop increasing as soon as you stop drinking - and they therefore overdrink and hit a point they never intended to reach.  It's a little like eating too fast:  if you eat slowly enough, your body will signal you that it's full long before you overeat; however, if you wolf everything down as fast as possible, you will find yourself feeling like you're about to explode from too much food before your body has the chance to tell you it's full and that you should stop eating.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: musiclady on December 12, 2013, 01:28:13 pm
I don't think it's so much that they feel it's fun to drink to the point of becoming ill, but more that they really don't have much experience with alcohol when they get to college, where there are few if any practical limits on their ability to drink, and so they tend to treat drinking alcohol like drinking soda - the effects stop increasing as soon as you stop drinking - and they therefore overdrink and hit a point they never intended to reach.  It's a little like eating too fast:  if you eat slowly enough, your body will signal you that it's full long before you overeat; however, if you wolf everything down as fast as possible, you will find yourself feeling like you're about to explode from too much food before your body has the chance to tell you it's full and that you should stop eating.

I disagree. High school drinking, and even younger than that, is rampant.  Kids in college have had a lot of experience with alcohol.....if not drinking themselves, of having friends who do (and it doesn't matter what school you go to).

Getting wasted on the weekends begins very early.

I think the problem is that they are so desperate to 'fit in' that they do what others are doing, and drink excessively.  I don't think it's unintentional.

Desperate and sad, yes, but not done out of ignorance about what alcohol does to them.

And this story makes me want to weep.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: musiclady on December 12, 2013, 01:29:50 pm
One in a long line of cautionary tales, if only young people would pay attention.

Amen.

The damage alcohol does is well known.  The kids know it, but their lives are not as important to them as being one of the "in" crowd.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: jmyrlefuller on December 12, 2013, 02:01:51 pm
I think the problem is that they are so desperate to 'fit in' that they do what others are doing, and drink excessively.  I don't think it's unintentional.
There is a lot of truth to this.

I, for one, did not have any real pressure to drink in college. However, I was very much an introvert and did not have much of a social life, something that continued after college.

As I alluded to in other threads, I attended a particular church for about five years. It is a dry church, and I noticed by the time I left that all but two of the adults between 21 and 60 were married or engaged before they got there. A few of them admitted to meeting in bars.

The pastor's stepdaughter and I were the lone exceptions. Like me, she was a teetotaller. We had quite a few other things in common so I asked her out once— only to be told she plans on being a spinster the rest of her life. Cold. (Later I found out she supports Obamacare.)

I can't begin to express my dismay as to how pervasive alcohol has become in American society. It is almost as if one cannot livea complete life or find a partner without drinking!
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: musiclady on December 12, 2013, 02:29:26 pm
There is a lot of truth to this.

I, for one, did not have any real pressure to drink in college. However, I was very much an introvert and did not have much of a social life, something that continued after college.

As I alluded to in other threads, I attended a particular church for about five years. It is a dry church, and I noticed by the time I left that all but two of the adults between 21 and 60 were married or engaged before they got there. A few of them admitted to meeting in bars.

The pastor's stepdaughter and I were the lone exceptions. Like me, she was a teetotaller. We had quite a few other things in common so I asked her out once— only to be told she plans on being a spinster the rest of her life. Cold. (Later I found out she supports Obamacare.)

I can't begin to express my dismay as to how pervasive alcohol has become in American society. It is almost as if one cannot livea complete life or find a partner without drinking!

I've noticed the same thing.  It's not just that everyone drinks, it's that our whole society is obsessed with alcohol.  Not only drinking it, but talking about it, and implying that life, as you said, is not complete without it.

I've known a whole lot of tee-totallers in my life (including most of my family and friends), and I can say categorically, that life is just fine without drinking.   In fact, I think for some, drinking replaces genuine fun........wit, charm, fellowship, humor.

Obviously it doesn't apply to everyone, but definitely to some.  And unfortunately, it applies to the vast majority of college kids.

And some are paying with their lives for it.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Chieftain on December 12, 2013, 03:00:52 pm
Pretty girl, who clearly had absolutely no common sense.

Why do people think that drinking to the point of becoming ill or even unconscious is fun?

Fun to me is not feeling like I got run over by a freight train.

We're on the same page on this one.  Common Sense is anything but common....in fact it really should be called un-common sense because it is so rare.  I have always had a low tolerance for alcohol...it makes me puke and I have never enjoyed it the very few times I got really hammered. 

What taught me my lesson was a Navy bachelor party where someone brought 2 cases of quarts of Mogen-David "Mad Dog" 20/20.  Me and Jimmy Durham stood there talking and sipping and before either of us realized it we had each killed a quart.  We both spent the whole next day at work in Lakehurst taking turns puking our guts out.  I swear I saw my shoes come flying out at one point...

That hard little lesson has always stuck with me.....

Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: NavyCanDo on December 12, 2013, 07:55:50 pm
Quarts of Mogen-David "Mad Dog" 20/20 did me in as well.   A Junior in High school, double dating with my 14 year-old brother and his girlfriend in the back seat.    As I was dropping my date off, I got sick all over the front seat and then passed out. I don't remember anything else. My little brother had to drive us home.   How we didn’t get in an accident that night or pulled over by the Police, I will never know. My brother had only a little less of the Mad Dog than I did. 
Today I can't touch red wine. Just the smell of it brings back that queasy feeling. And in the 38 years since, I have never drank enough alcohol to get drunk again.  2 or 3 beers at the very most, or a cocktail, and that’s where I draw the line.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: raml on December 12, 2013, 07:59:02 pm
I just think she was a teenager and she had the common sense of one and most don't have any at that age. In high school I was popular was a cheerleader and went to a lot of parties but back then we didn't have alcohol at our parties or at least not the ones I went to. I  never liked the taste of beer but during the summer before I went off to college I and a friend and 2 boys that were just older friends went off to a cabin on a lake and took rum with us my friend and I wanted to  know what it would be like to get drunk before we went off to Michigan state and we wanted to be feel safe so the guys were very good friends not boyfriends. I will never forget that night boy was I sick the guys were watching off all things the miss America contest. I never wanted to feel like that again but I did once more on beer that I hate at a frat party. After that I rarely if ever even drank one drink and even now rarely if ever have a drink but at 19 I stupidly made myself very sick twice.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: GourmetDan on December 12, 2013, 08:20:03 pm

We live out in the county and had a guy stop his truck in the intersection near the house the other night at 3 am and pass-out in the sub-zero temps.

Hated to call the cops on him, but thought it was better than having him freeze to death overnight and I wasn't bringing him in my house...


Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: aligncare on December 12, 2013, 08:35:14 pm
When police found Bradley McCue, a student from Michigan State University, they saw
that he was unconscious, his nose was painted red, and the words "24 shots" were scribbled across his forehead.

An autopsy revealed that McCue had a blood alcohol level of .44 percent. Witnesses said that he drank 24 shots of liquor in less than two hours. He died of acute alcohol intoxication — also known as alcohol poisoning.

More :

http://www.hazelden.org/web/public/ade90201.page

 ... and alcohol is the "socially acceptable" toxicant.

Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: mountaineer on December 12, 2013, 08:47:17 pm
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When police found Bradley McCue, a student from Michigan State University, they saw
that he was unconscious, his nose was painted red, and the words "24 shots" were scribbled across his forehead.

An autopsy revealed that McCue had a blood alcohol level of .44 percent. Witnesses said that he drank 24 shots of liquor in less than two hours. He died of acute alcohol intoxication — also known as alcohol poisoning.
This happens a lot more frequently than college administrators would like to admit.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Rapunzel on December 12, 2013, 09:28:16 pm
I have never been a drinker.. not in high school or college and even when surrounded by people at parties who drank it never appealed to me... a glass of wine here and there, but I have never understood why anyone wants to do anything that takes away their ability to think straight and lose control....
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Bigun on December 12, 2013, 09:34:32 pm
I have never been a drinker.. not in high school or college and even when surrounded by people at parties who drank it never appealed to me... a glass of wine here and there, but I have never understood why anyone wants to do anything that takes away their ability to think straight and lose control....

I've drank enough to sink the Queen Mary (code of the West in the circles I once traveled) but quit after realizing that I was actually PAYING MONEY to feel like H#LL afterwards! That and the fact that it was taking me a week to get over what I once got over in a few hours.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: SouthTexas on December 12, 2013, 09:42:08 pm
That's why I live where it's warm!  and also why I quit drinking two dozen years ago.

Ah, but to be 10' tall and bullet proof.....
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: SouthTexas on December 12, 2013, 09:49:48 pm
Pretty girl, who clearly had absolutely no common sense.

Why do people think that drinking to the point of becoming ill or even unconscious is fun?

Fun to me is not feeling like I got run over by a freight train.

Actually had a liberal convince me that common sense is not really common sense, it is learned behavior.

Stemmed from one of my rants that it should be common sense that to keep a job, you actually needed to get your @ss up in the morning and come to work.  She responded that if your parents and grandparents never did that, how would you know to do it?  Thus learned behavior not common sense.  I think it applies to most things we tag as "common sense".

Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Cincinnatus on December 12, 2013, 09:52:07 pm
I've drank enough to sink the Queen Mary...

And I drank enough to refloat her, but I did such stupid things and felt so lousy the next day. Then I met a young lady named Mary Jane whose company I much came to prefer over booze.

However, that was in the days of my misspent youth. Now I don't do either though I must admit every now and then I enjoy a wee bit of cognac. Too bad that stuff is so damn expensive.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Bigun on December 12, 2013, 09:59:55 pm
And I drank enough to refloat her, but I did such stupid things and felt so lousy the next day. Then I met a young lady named Mary Jane whose company I much came to prefer over booze.

However, that was in the days of my misspent youth. Now I don't do either though I must admit every now and then I enjoy a wee bit of cognac. Too bad that stuff is so damn expensive.

A small taste of a good single malt  Scotch very occasionally for me but I haven't even had one of those in probably a year.  That stuff ain't cheap either!
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Rapunzel on December 12, 2013, 10:34:22 pm
A small taste of a good single malt  Scotch very occasionally for me but I haven't even had one of those in probably a year.  That stuff ain't cheap either!

Reminds me of a funny (true) story. My husband drank like you describe the first years of our life together.  I learned why he quit cold turkey after he died actually - but that is another story..... anyway, he used to drink scotch.  Long after he stopped drinking I was president of our homeowners association in Irvine and I the board hired a Japanese gardening firm.  The husband did the work, Yoko ran the business.  Well, my husband spent two years in Japan when he was in the Navy and he spoke very good Japanese.  He used to see her on the grounds and would talk to her - always in Japanese.   Well, every month Yoko would show up at my door with the monthly statement and a box of Chavez Regal for my husband.  He would tell her - Yoko I don't drink and every month she brought him a box of scotch.  To this day - 30 years later I still have boxes of scotch up in the cupboard.  We had friends who liked scotch and when we had company George always give them the good stuff - but even they could not wipe out our scotch supply... 

BTW when he stopped drinking one of his comments was how much he enjoyed waking up feeling good in the morning...  he was never even tempted to drink once he stopped. Smoking was more difficult, but he gave it up for me on my 40th birthday and grew to dislike the smell as much as I do.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Bigun on December 12, 2013, 10:43:17 pm
Reminds me of a funny (true) story. My husband drank like you describe the first years of our life together.  I learned why he quit cold turkey after he died actually - but that is another story..... anyway, he used to drink scotch.  Long after he stopped drinking I was president of our homeowners association in Irvine and I the board hired a Japanese gardening firm.  The husband did the work, Yoko ran the business.  Well, my husband spent two years in Japan when he was in the Navy and he spoke very good Japanese.  He used to see her on the grounds and would talk to her - always in Japanese.   Well, every month Yoko would show up at my door with the monthly statement and a box of Chavez Regal for my husband.  He would tell her - Yoko I don't drink and every month she brought him a box of scotch.  To this day - 30 years later I still have boxes of scotch up in the cupboard.  We had friends who liked scotch and when we had company George always give them the good stuff - but even they could not wipe out our scotch supply... 

BTW when he stopped drinking one of his comments was how much he enjoyed waking up feeling good in the morning...  he was never even tempted to drink once he stopped. Smoking was more difficult, but he gave it up for me on my 40th birthday and grew to dislike the smell as much as I do.

Sounds very familiar. I'm sure I would have liked George a great deal!
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Rapunzel on December 12, 2013, 10:46:09 pm
Sounds very familiar. I'm sure I would have liked George a great deal!

I know you would have...

I think one of the things that helped was he became so involved in Quarter Scale modeling that he preferred to spend his money (aka allowance) on airplane parts and needed his wits about him to do the detail work he put into the planes. 
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Cincinnatus on December 13, 2013, 12:07:58 am
A small taste of a good single malt  Scotch very occasionally for me but I haven't even had one of those in probably a year.

I, too, was a Scotch drinker, but was never fond of single malts. My running buddy of the day loved single malts but could never convince me of their merit.

To this day - 30 years later I still have boxes of scotch up in the cupboard.

Hey, Rapunzel, maybe you can donate your remaining stash to the Salvation Army.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: aligncare on December 13, 2013, 12:09:11 am
I don't want to turn this into a legalization argument. But, there are facts about alcohol that people gloss over. Like, how excessive alcohol intake depresses the brainstem and death occurs when the person simply stops breathing, or that death can occur from cardiac dysrhythmia. Or that a person will asphyxiate on their own vomit. Or that people die when they pass out and strike their head or when they fall to their death out of balconies and windows.

The CDC estimates that nearly 80,000 deaths are attributable to excessive alcohol use each year in the United States.

This is society's acceptable intoxicant, the intoxicant with its own constitutional amendment... Lord, what if marijuana had this kind of death record – do you think then it too would be acceptable to law makers and to society? Words like incongruity and absurdity come to mind when trying to reason through this issue.



Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Bigun on December 13, 2013, 12:21:48 am
I don't want to turn this into a legalization argument. But, there are facts about alcohol that people gloss over. Like, how excessive alcohol intake depresses the brainstem and death occurs when the person simply stops breathing, or that death can occur from cardiac dysrhythmia. Or that a person will asphyxiate on their own vomit. Or that people die when they pass out and strike their head or when they fall to their death out of balconies and windows.

The CDC estimates that nearly 80,000 deaths are attributable to excessive alcohol use each year in the United States.

This is society's acceptable intoxicant, the intoxicant with its own constitutional amendment... Lord, what if marijuana had this kind of death record – do you think then it too would be acceptable to law makers and to society? Words like incongruity and absurdity come to mind when trying to reason through this issue.

It may come as a surprise to you that I completely agree with you on this matter!
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: aligncare on December 13, 2013, 12:23:11 am
No, it doesn't surprise me at all. Many right thinking conservatives understand that logic and reason must prevail in law or respect for law will be lost.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Rapunzel on December 13, 2013, 12:24:41 am
No, it doesn't surprise me at all. Many right thinking conservatives understand that logic and reason must prevail in law or respect for law will be lost.

I've said before - I have no issues with legalizing pot. It's meth, cocaine, heroine that concerns me.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Bigun on December 13, 2013, 12:27:52 am
No, it doesn't surprise me at all. Many right thinking conservatives understand that logic and reason must prevail in law or respect for law will be lost.

That and restoring the seemingly lost concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Bigun on December 13, 2013, 12:30:11 am
I've said before - I have no issues with legalizing pot. It's meth, cocaine, heroine that concerns me.

I understand but please know we will never win if we continue to fight the battle the way we are currently doing it!
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Rapunzel on December 13, 2013, 12:32:52 am
I understand but please know we will never win if we continue to fight the battle the way we are currently doing it!

I know.  We are an addiction society.  Food, drugs, alcohol, caffeine, prescription drugs.......
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: aligncare on December 13, 2013, 12:35:15 am
William F Buckley believed marijuana should be legal.

Laws must make sense, relate to reality, be consistent. Otherwise, people will lose respect for law. How can a dangerous intoxicant like alcohol be celebrated and advertised freely during the Super Bowl, while marijuana is illegal – a substance that has no record of causing the death of any individual – no known deaths, yet it remains illegal.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Bigun on December 13, 2013, 01:09:59 am
William F Buckley believed marijuana should be legal.

Laws must make sense, relate to reality, be consistent. Otherwise, people will lose respect for law. How can a dangerous intoxicant like alcohol be celebrated and advertised freely during the Super Bowl, while marijuana is illegal – a substance that has no record of causing the death of any individual – no known deaths, yet it remains illegal.

In the year 1900 you could walk into any apothecary shop in this country and buy all the heroin, cocaine, or anything else you had the cash to purchase and yet we had no wide spread drug problems. Why do you suppose that was? 
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: aligncare on December 13, 2013, 01:17:46 am
Legal or illegal, only a small percentage of the population has an interest in using drugs. I believe prohibition causes more problems than it solves
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Fishrrman on December 13, 2013, 01:28:45 am
I've never been drunk. Never drank at all, only a sip here and there and I quickly discovered that I didn't enjoy the taste of alcohol.

Never got high, either, nor messed with other drugs.

I'm perhaps the only person you could know who:
- Went to the 1969 Woodstock festival and didn't get high, and
- Went to the Hofbrau House in Munchen (in the Army, no less) and drank cola with my pizza.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Bigun on December 13, 2013, 01:29:40 am
Legal or illegal, only a small percentage of the population has an interest in using drugs. I believe prohibition causes more problems than it solves

No doubt about it and there would be FAR less problems if people were held accountable for what they do instead of trying to tell them they can't do this or that!
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Bigun on December 13, 2013, 01:31:23 am
I've never been drunk. Never drank at all, only a sip here and there and I quickly discovered that I didn't enjoy the taste of alcohol.

Never got high, either, nor messed with other drugs.

I'm perhaps the only person you could know who:
- Went to the 1969 Woodstock festival and didn't get high, and
- Went to the Hofbrau House in Munchen (in the Army, no less) and drank cola with my pizza.

Never messed with drugs, even in Vietnam, but the rest of that I only wish I could say.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: aligncare on December 13, 2013, 01:00:36 pm
Bigun, the day I landed in Vietnam my first sergeant showed me around, tossed me a pack of Gold Leaf pre-rolled from his locker. Thus, my introduction.

At that point, age 18, I had never even had a drink. After that, I never took a drink while I was in-country.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: EC on December 13, 2013, 01:08:29 pm
Bigun, the day I landed in Vietnam my first sergeant showed me around, tossed me a pack of Gold Leaf pre-rolled from his locker. Thus, my introduction.

At that point, age 18, I had never even had a drink. After that, I never took a drink while I was in-country.

Drinking - heavy. But yeah, that's a thing. Stupid as hell, but a thing.

I do still have a plaque that was in the cargo bay though. It reads:

"This is a smoking flight, so deal.
Sit down, strap in, try not to puke."
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Bigun on December 13, 2013, 02:55:42 pm
Bigun, the day I landed in Vietnam my first sergeant showed me around, tossed me a pack of Gold Leaf pre-rolled from his locker. Thus, my introduction.

At that point, age 18, I had never even had a drink. After that, I never took a drink while I was in-country.

I was there early on (66-67) and my job took me all over the country so perhaps the drug culture had yet to develop but I never saw anyone using drugs in country except for one or two times in Saigon where there were a couple of guys sharing a reefer.
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Bigun on December 13, 2013, 02:59:16 pm
Drinking - heavy. But yeah, that's a thing. Stupid as hell, but a thing.

I do still have a plaque that was in the cargo bay though. It reads:

"This is a smoking flight, so deal.
Sit down, strap in, try not to puke."

And the "try not to puke" part was the most difficult!
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: EC on December 13, 2013, 03:09:05 pm
And the "try not to puke" part was the most difficult!

You sure I never flew you?  :laugh:
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Bigun on December 13, 2013, 03:12:53 pm
You sure I never flew you?  :laugh:

Not at all sure! I've been on everything that would move at one time or another but, come to think of it, I don't remember seeing you Brits there at the time.

Different wars at different times!
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: EC on December 13, 2013, 03:15:38 pm
Not at all sure! I've been on everything that would move at one time or another but, come to think of it, I don't remember seeing you Brits there at the time.

Trust me - If I flew you into combat (or was on extraction duty) you'd remember it!  :beer:
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Bigun on December 13, 2013, 03:37:52 pm
Trust me - If I flew you into combat (or was on extraction duty) you'd remember it!  :beer:

LOL! I'll bet!  Believe me when I tell you that we have plenty of pilots who know how to do that as well!  :beer:
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: EC on December 13, 2013, 03:46:33 pm
LOL! I'll bet!  Believe me when I tell you that we have plenty of pilots who know how to do that as well!

Who'd you think taught me how to fly!  :laugh:

A total lunatic piloting an Apache gunship.  :beer:
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: mountaineer on January 22, 2014, 09:20:33 pm
 Severely frostbitten college student, 19, has all her fingers amputated after being left on porch for nine hours in subzero temperatures

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•Alyssa Jo Lommel, sophomore at University of Minnesota, suffered severe hypothermia and tissue damage to her hands and feet in December
•Her hands were three times their size with skin split from palm to finger
•Student spent night playing drinking game with friends during which she lost several rounds and downed at least 10 tequila shots
•The 19-year-old had all her toes amputated on one foot and lost the tips of her toes on the other earlier this month
•Doctors were able to partially save her heels so she could walk again with the help of foot inserts 

By Snejana Farberov
PUBLISHED: 10:50 EST, 22 January 2014  | UPDATED: 15:13 EST, 22 January 2014


A 19-year-old Minnesota college student who was found nearly frozen to death outside her home after a night of drinking in December had all her fingers amputated this week.

Alyssa Jo Lommel, a sophomore at University of Minnesota-Duluth, was left severely frostbitten and suffering from hypothermia after lying on a porch in subzero temperatures for nine hours.

On Tuesday, the woman's mother, Teri Lommel, posted an update on her daughter's CaringBridge page, revealing that her daughter's doctors at Regions Hospital in St Paul have been forced to amputate all of her digits below the knuckle.

Mrs Lommel explained that the physicians found more tissue damage due to frostbite than they had initially expected, which prompted the amputations of the teen’s fingers and both thumbs, KAAL-TV reported.

'On the plus side her heels looked better than expected and she would be able to put pressure on both once they healed,' Teri Lommel wrote. 

It is expected that Miss Lommel will be able to walk normally with the help of special shoe inserts once the tissue on her heels had healed.

Earlier this month, surgeons had to cut off skins and tissue from one of the student’s frostbitten heels and used artificial skin to cover it up.

Lommel was dropped off by her friends outside her home in Duluth, Minnesota, after a night of drinking, but she somehow ended up on the porch of her neighbors' house

In her latest update, Teri Lommel revealed that her bed-ridden daughter has not been told yet about her hands, saying that Wednesday would be a tough day for the family when the girl learns the truth about her condition.

This latest round of amputations comes two weeks after Alyssa Jo Lommel had lost the tips of her toes on one foot and all of her toes on the other foot, according to Fox21.  According to Lommel's CaringBridge page, she is expected to be released from the hospital by mid-February, the station KTSP reported. But the teen still has more surgeries ahead of her, which could come as early as next Wednesday.

Miss Lommel will be examined by podiatry experts, and her doctors will meet with prosthetic experts to discuss the condition of her hands.

Alyssa Jo Lommel was found unconscious by passersby December 7 after spending the night outside on the porch of a Duluth home in subzero temperatures.

Police say Lommel had been dropped off at her home in Duluth at about midnight after reportedly spending a night with friends doing tequila shots.

Temperatures in Duluth had dipped to -16 to -18, with a -36 wind chill Friday night into Saturday.

Her parents, Teri and Jay Lommel, have set up the CaringBridge.org page to offer updates on Alyssa Jo's condition.

Last month, the 19-year-old underwent surgery to restore blood flow to one of her arms, and she may require skin grafts to repair the damage to her extremities.

The Lommels posted a note on the site thanking the couple who spotted their daughter lying on the porch.

‘We owe Alyssa’s life to you two. Our family cannot be grateful enough that you happened to see her,’ the missive read. ‘She could not have survived much longer out in the elements. You two will forever be in our hearts and prayers and we cannot thank you enough for what you did.’

On December 6, Miss Lommel, a psychology and sociology major, posted a message on her Twitter account that said, 'tequila shots tonight.' It has since been removed.

According to Minneapolis Star Tribune citing a police report, the 19-year-old got home from work at around 5.30pm and had a bagel for dinner. At around 10.30pm, she and a roommate went to a friend's house, where they played a drinking game with cards called 'ride the bus.' The report states that the underage girl lost several rounds and had to take shots.

Police reported finding a Twitter message on Lommel's account stating: 'Yum Yum 10th shot of tequila,' Grand Forks Herald reported.

Her roommate told police that Lommel had been taking medication for an unspecified illness every day.   

At around 11pm, the sophemore was picked up by her friends, who drove her home and dropped her off outside her front door at 810 Woodland Avenue, but left without waiting for her to go inside.  Alyssa Jo's companions later told investigators that the 19-year-old was tipsy but not intoxicated to the point of falling down. She was said to have her keys and cell phone in her possession. 

Two of Lommel's roommates returned home a few hours later without noticing that the girl was not there. Neither reported hearing knocks on the door.

Then at around 9.30am the following morning, Ellen Johnson and her boyfriend, Sam Salo, were driving down the street when she spotted a woman lying on a porch and called police, Duluth News Tribune reported. Officers who responded to the scene at 808 Woodland Avenue discovered Alyssa Jo lying unconsious on her right side.

She was wearing a coat and UGG boots, but no gloves, and her hands were three times their normal size, with skin split from palm to finger.

Officers followed Lommel's tracks in the snow around the house, showing that the college student made her way to the unheated garage, where she likely sought refuge from the cold for a while, fell down and then crawled back to the porch.

The house stood empty that night since its occupants, members of UMD women's basketball team, were out on the road.   

The UMD released a statement urging students to be careful in extremely cold weather, dress in layers, travel in groups and let people know when planning to go out.
Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2543999/Alyssa-Jo-Lommel-19-fingers-amputated-left-porch-nine-hours-subzero-temperatures.html#ixzz2rAF264Us)
 I'm guessing it wasn't worth it.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/22/article-0-1AE0659400000578-753_306x423.jpg)
Title: Re: 10 Shots of Tequila and 17 Below Zero Temperatures Make for a Horrendous Combination for College Coed
Post by: Rapunzel on January 22, 2014, 09:34:09 pm
My friends in California have a daughter and SIL who are quite well off...... for two years before she left for College (in Texas) all their granddaughter talked about was how anxious she was to go away from home and was looking forward to partying..... I cautioned her once when we were all at Easter brunch in Palm Springs that she wasn't ready for this - she was very overly-protected by mom - and she said she knew all about how to drink responsibly because she watched the housewives programs on TV.......    Make a long story short - she came home for Thanksgiving and they found out from the family she had been hospitalized already (first semester of college) for alcohol poisoning after a big party she attended.. oh and she was flunking economics so dropped the class......   Her first year of college is going about how I expected it would. We see these kids here every year for Spring Break........