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Title: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: kevindavis007 on August 11, 2017, 09:04:36 pm

Roy Moore, one of the Republicans vying to replace Attorney General Jeff Session as an Alabama senator, said in a recent interview that "you could say that" America today is evil.


When The Guardian's Paul Lewis, who was probing the rising popularity of Russian President Vladimir Putin among U.S. conservatives, told Moore that former President Reagan called Russia "the focus of evil in the modern world," Moore said it wasn't the only one.


"You could say that very well about America, couldn't you?" Moore responded in the interview published Wednesday.


"We promote a lot of bad things," added the former chief justice of Alabama's Supreme Court, specifically citing same-sex marriage.


"That's the very argument that Vladimir Putin makes," Lewis pointed out.


"Well, then maybe Putin is right," Moore said. "Maybe he's more akin to me than I know."


Moore is leading the GOP primary in the special election to replace Sessions, according to a poll released this week. Also running for the Senate seat in deep-red Alabama are Republicans Rep. Mo Brooks and Sen. Luther Strange, who was appointed after Sessions was confirmed to lead the Justice Department.


Moore and Brooks are both running as anti-establishment candidates, trying to paint Strange as a tool of the Washington establishment.


President Trump endorsed Strange on Tuesday.


In 2003, Moore left the state Supreme Court after refusing to remove a monument of the Ten Commandments, which he had commissioned, from outside the Alabama Judicial Building, as ordered by a federal court.


Moore was elected again as chief justice in 2013, but resigned earlier this year after being found guilty of six judicial ethics code violations for his ordering of lower judges to enforce the state's gay marriage ban after it had been overturned.


In the Guardian interview, Moore also said "it was the providential hand of God" that placed Trump in the White House, and said that "God knows the heart of man" when asked to comment on Trump's adherence to the Ten Commandments. He compared Trump to the biblical King David, who he said also broke many of God's laws on his way to the throne.


Source: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/346076-alabama-senate-hopeful-says-maybe-putin-is-right-on-gay-rights-issues
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: kevindavis007 on August 11, 2017, 09:04:58 pm
What an a**hole..
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Bigun on August 11, 2017, 09:10:50 pm
What an a**hole..

Maybe!  But he is right as rain as well!
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: kevindavis007 on August 11, 2017, 09:12:13 pm
Maybe!  But he is right as rain as well!


Nope.. I still consider Russia evil as well..
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on August 11, 2017, 09:17:26 pm
Moore for Senate - "We promote a lot of bad things"
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: guitar4jesus on August 11, 2017, 09:18:52 pm
I can see a candidate pointing out the evil that exists in America but to imply Putin is correct in saying it is quite the political faux pas.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Bigun on August 11, 2017, 09:20:47 pm

Nope.. I still consider Russia evil as well..

So do I and that doesn't have any affect on what Judge Moore said at all.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: corbe on August 11, 2017, 09:22:02 pm
   Did Roy Moore just have his Clayton Williams moment? Stay tuned.

(http://www.politifake.org/image/political/small/1310/republican-rape-kinda-like-the-weather-its-inevitable-relax-politics-1380965412.jpg)
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: TomSea on August 11, 2017, 09:30:04 pm
Moore might have been somewhat led in this interview; it doesn't mean he is a Putinista-type; maybe the Guardian just framed the questions in this manner.

I'm sure his opponents are "conservative" as well; and they could exploit this if Moore shows a weakness.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: kevindavis007 on August 11, 2017, 09:32:05 pm
Moore might have been somewhat led in this interview; it doesn't mean he is a Putinista-type; maybe the Guardian just framed the questions in this manner.

I'm sure his opponents are "conservative" as well; and they could exploit this if Moore shows a weakness.


This shows that Moore is an idiot. He sounds like a Putinista..
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: TomSea on August 11, 2017, 09:41:44 pm

This shows that Moore is an idiot. He sounds like a Putinista..

There are plenty of persons here against Same-Sex Marriage. I don't think it is fair, fair to judge at least,  if I asked Person X if they were for "same-sex marriage", they say "no" and then I say, "oh, you're making the same argument Putin makes";

The Guardian is left-wing and savages American Conservatives when they can. I think this is just part of that. They trapped, they tried a "gotcha question" on Moore.

I hope one can be against Same-Sex Marriage without being associated with Vladimir Putin.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Bigun on August 11, 2017, 09:57:34 pm
   Did Roy Moore just have his Clayton Williams moment? Stay tuned.

(http://www.politifake.org/image/political/small/1310/republican-rape-kinda-like-the-weather-its-inevitable-relax-politics-1380965412.jpg)

They ALWAYS tell you who they fear if you pay attention!
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: kevindavis007 on August 11, 2017, 10:28:35 pm
What is so great about a guy who was guilty of six charges of violation of the canons of judicial ethics by the Alabama court of the judiciary???
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Freedom928 on August 11, 2017, 10:44:23 pm
What an a**hole..
Why? Just because he doesn't believe in gay marriage and neither does Putin?

So if Putin believed in gay marriage like you apparently do; would that make you a Putinista?
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Bigun on August 11, 2017, 10:53:53 pm
What is so great about a guy who was guilty of six charges of violation of the canons of judicial ethics by the Alabama court of the judiciary???

Charges?  Anyone can make charges.  Doesn't make them true.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: kevindavis007 on August 11, 2017, 10:57:19 pm
Why? Just because he doesn't believe in gay marriage and neither does Putin?

So if Putin believed in gay marriage like you apparently do; would that make you a Putinista?


What makes you think I like Gay Marriage? I ALSO DON'T LIKE FORMER HEADS OF THE KGB!!
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Bigun on August 11, 2017, 11:00:54 pm

What makes you think I like Gay Marriage? I ALSO DON'T LIKE FORMER HEADS OF THE KGB!!

Kevin!  Who was it that injected Putin into the conversation?  I'm  sure it wasn't Judge Moore!
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: kevindavis007 on August 11, 2017, 11:02:35 pm
Kevin!  Who was it that injected Putin into the conversation?  I'm  sure it wasn't Judge Moore!


He praised Putin..
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: HonestJohn on August 11, 2017, 11:02:59 pm
Maybe!  But he is right as rain as well!

Of course he's right.

We have the Lord of Flies sitting as President.

Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Bigun on August 11, 2017, 11:05:27 pm

He praised Putin..

No he most assuredly did not praise Putin!  Not in any shape,  form, or fashion.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Bigun on August 11, 2017, 11:07:48 pm
Of course he's right.

We have the Lord of Flies sitting as President.

Your opinion is noted and you may be proven correct in the end but his actions in office to date do not argue in your favor.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: dfwgator on August 11, 2017, 11:26:09 pm
Why? Just because he doesn't believe in gay marriage and neither does Putin?

So if Putin believed in gay marriage like you apparently do; would that make you a Putinista?

He could have made his point without invoking Putin.   Extremely tone deaf, considering that Russia backs a country that we very well may be at war with soon.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Freedom928 on August 11, 2017, 11:28:00 pm
Your opinion is noted and you may be proven correct in the end but his actions in office to date do not argue in your favor.

I agree. President Trump is doing a fantastic job considering he has a hostile Hatestream Misleadia, a hostile dem party in DC working with a hostile GOPe (establishment deep state swamp creatures) to deal with and millions of dems with a severe case of TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome). Add in an office that leaks like a sieve and it's amazing he's doing so well.

Obummer only had 5 significant accomplishments in the entire 8 years in office. He allowed grown men in dresses to be in the bathroom with your 6 yo daughter, allowed gays and trannies in the military to disable it, pushed through by lying a terrible healthcare bill that's disabling working class families (the ACA only works if you're poor), made public school lunches inedible, and made cops lives unimportant.

To date President Trump has undone 860 bad executive orders by obama so small and large businesses can work and hire employees with confidence of some kind of future going forward. If he can manage to nudge the congress into a o'care repeal; the replacement for it and the budget will go much smoother. We have to figure it would take at least a year to undo all the damage done by the obama Administration. That in itself is a huge win. Add in Gorsuch sworn in as Scalia's replacement Justice; the man is doing pretty darn good so far with everything stacked against him.

And now there's some crazy twerp in N. Korea hiding in his secret bunker for fear of being assassinated because his big mouth wrote checks his butt can't cash without getting himself and his people obliterated from the map. Compared to the hostile congress though; the twerp is a mere nuisance.
(http://i.imgur.com/qFc6S8N.jpg)
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Freedom928 on August 11, 2017, 11:34:13 pm
He could have made his point without invoking Putin.   Extremely tone deaf, considering that Russia backs a country that we very well may be at war with soon.
Moore didn't invoke Putin; the interviewer did. Moore just said he and Putin may have more "akin" (in common) with Putin than he knew. Moore was in no way aligning with Putin. To say so would be to take his words completely out of context.

This is how the leftist journalists twist things around to make people sound like they are saying something they didn't. I hope you didn't fall for it.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: dfwgator on August 11, 2017, 11:36:18 pm
Moore didn't invoke Putin; the interviewer did. Moore just said he and Putin may have more "akin" (in common) with Putin than he knew. Moore was in no way aligning with Putin. To say so would be to take his words completely out of context.

This is how the leftist journalists twist things around to make people sound like they are saying something they didn't. I hope you didn't fall for it.

You make a good point.    That being said, Moore should have recognized the bear trap that was set for him, it's a fact of life for any candidate that the media opposes.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Bigun on August 11, 2017, 11:36:28 pm
He could have made his point without invoking Putin.   Extremely tone deaf, considering that Russia backs a country that we very well may be at war with soon.

HE did not invoke Putin!  It was the reporter who injected that name into the conversation.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Freedom928 on August 11, 2017, 11:38:39 pm
You make a good point.    That being said, Moore should have recognized the bear trap that was set for him, it's a fact of life for any candidate that the media opposes.

And you made a good point. I'm thinking Moore thinks like a Judge and not a politician though; at least right now. If he wins he will have to alter his thinking if he wants to win at that game.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: the_doc on August 11, 2017, 11:47:51 pm
Roy Moore, one of the Republicans vying to replace Attorney General Jeff Session as an Alabama senator, said in a recent interview that "you could say that" America today is evil.

The fact that our politicos have violated our own Constitution so egregiously, sometimes even heaping contempt on it, is pure evil.  It is also an evil thing that a shocking percentage of Americans want to surrender our sovereignty to the UN--which power-mad organization hates all that is really good about America. 

Today's reverse racism has also grown to the point of almost unspeakable evils, with now incessant and insane charges of even "micro-aggression' (charges designed to fan racial hatred), along with public declarations that peace officers and Republicans should be murdered.  And we must not overlook the crazy and widespread promotion of Muslim immigration in the name of ethnic diversity and loving "tolerance"--ultimately for the unspoken reason that Muslims hate Christians and Jews and also hate any nation founded on the Bible, 

We also have secretive but growing numbers of Satanic and Luciferan cults polluting Hollywood and the music industry, plus serious allegations of involvement therein by powerful government officials. 

Then there's the election of Bill Clinton and Obama--and the near-election of Hillary.

Then there's the fact that today's young people are, on the whole, as dumb as a box of rocks.  And Maxine Waters continues to be elected.

***

Notice that I did not even mention the LGBT movement and gender denial crap.

Finally, I suspect that if the truth were ever to come out, we would discover that literally thousands of our leading politicians and bureaucrats are unindicted felons.

Yeah, we have become an evil nation.  It's one of the saddest things on earth.  I fear that the mess that we are now in--paying asinine lip service to the motto of "One Nation Under God"--is an order of magnitude worse than most patriots have fathomed.

Oh, well, Trump can fix it /sarc
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: roamer_1 on August 11, 2017, 11:55:47 pm
Yeah, we have become an evil nation.  It's one of the saddest things on earth.  I fear that the mess that we are now in--paying asinine lip service to the motto of "One Nation Under God"--is an order of magnitude worse than most patriots have fathomed.

Exactly right. Justice has fled. Perversity reigns.

"I sought for the key to the greatness of America in her harbors...; in her fertile fields and boundless forests; in her rich mines and vast world commerce; in her public school system and institutions of learning. I sought for it in her democratic Congress and in her matchless Constitution. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: txradioguy on August 12, 2017, 12:04:27 am
   Did Roy Moore just have his Clayton Williams moment? Stay tuned.

(http://www.politifake.org/image/political/small/1310/republican-rape-kinda-like-the-weather-its-inevitable-relax-politics-1380965412.jpg)

*sigh*  Poor Claytie
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Bigun on August 12, 2017, 12:49:11 am
Moore Surges

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/11/first-on-breitbart-new-al-senate-poll-shows-roy-moore-surging-toward-runoff-slot-in-special-gop-primary/
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: jpsb on August 12, 2017, 01:02:34 am
What an a**hole..

So you are in favor of same sex marriage? And opposed to the Ten Commandments?
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: truth_seeker on August 12, 2017, 01:22:41 am
I agree. President Trump is doing a fantastic job considering he has a hostile Hatestream Misleadia, a hostile dem party in DC working with a hostile GOPe (establishment deep state swamp creatures) to deal with and millions of dems with a severe case of TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome). Add in an office that leaks like a sieve and it's amazing he's doing so well.

Welcome Freedom928. The #nevertrumps here, hold the numerical advantage. 

But the President's few supporters, put up good fights, nonetheless.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: corbe on August 12, 2017, 01:30:00 am
Welcome Freedom928. The #nevertrumps here, hold the numerical advantage. 

But the President's few supporters, put up good fights, nonetheless.

   That is categorically malicious, slanderous and quite frankly untrue @truth_seeker  If we NT'ers actually had the numerical advantage you claim, well, we wouldn't actually be having this discussion right now, would we.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: truth_seeker on August 12, 2017, 01:33:13 am
   That is categorically malicious, slanderous and quite frankly untrue @truth_seeker  If we NT'ers actually had the numerical advantage you claim, well, we wouldn't actually be having this discussion right now, would we.

BS. There was a poll awhile back and the result was on the order of 2-1.

And as for my wording, there is nothing malicious, slanderous at all. In fact I intentionally toned it down so as to avoid the very thing.

 
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Bigun on August 12, 2017, 01:36:48 am
Welcome Freedom928. The #nevertrumps here, hold the numerical advantage. 

But the President's few supporters, put up good fights, nonetheless.

You are without doubt the most bitter winner I  have ever encountered in my considerably long lifetime.  Why?
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: corbe on August 12, 2017, 01:41:19 am
   And kudos to you @truth_seeker for your effort (to tone it down), even I noticed but @Freedom928 is a new member and according to the contract they are off limits to our BS for the first 48 hours.

   Back on TOPIC, that was MY Damn Poll and I'm still pi$$ed you Trumpers screwed that pooch dead, the results of that poll was as silly as all these polls today.


   (I'll get over it someday)
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Emjay on August 12, 2017, 01:59:54 am
   Did Roy Moore just have his Clayton Williams moment? Stay tuned.

(http://www.politifake.org/image/political/small/1310/republican-rape-kinda-like-the-weather-its-inevitable-relax-politics-1380965412.jpg)

I hope not.  I'm hoping he'll win.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: truth_seeker on August 12, 2017, 02:04:08 am
   And kudos to you @truth_seeker for your effort (to tone it down), even I noticed but @Freedom928 is a new member and according to the contract they are off limits to our BS for the first 48 hours.

   Back on TOPIC, that was MY Damn Poll and I'm still pi$$ed you Trumpers screwed that pooch dead, the results of that poll was as silly as all these polls today.


   (I'll get over it someday)
Put up a simple poll:

Who did yo vote for?

1. Trump
2. Did not vote
3. Other than Trump or Hillary
4. Hillary

A really simple way to gather facts.

Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Emjay on August 12, 2017, 02:07:36 am
   And kudos to you @truth_seeker for your effort (to tone it down), even I noticed but @Freedom928 is a new member and according to the contract they are off limits to our BS for the first 48 hours.

   Back on TOPIC, that was MY Damn Poll and I'm still pi$$ed you Trumpers screwed that pooch dead, the results of that poll was as silly as all these polls today.


   (I'll get over it someday)

Promises, promises.

But I've missed all the polls so I don't know what the heck you're talking about but I will say that NT's SEEM to be in the majority here or maybe they're just more prolific.

As for @Freedom928 , he has a nice dog. 

I'm hoping the Judge can pull it out although I can't think of a more ridiculous waste of time than coming out against same sex marriage.

Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: corbe on August 12, 2017, 02:24:39 am
Put up a simple poll:

Who did yo vote for?

1. Trump
2. Did not vote
3. Other than Trump or Hillary
4. Hillary

A really simple way to gather facts.



   Nice idea @truth_seeker but you'll have to do it, My ability to start polls is still revoked.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: corbe on August 12, 2017, 02:30:24 am
Promises, promises.

But I've missed all the polls so I don't know what the heck you're talking about but I will say that NT's SEEM to be in the majority here or maybe they're just more prolific.

As for @Freedom928 , he has a nice dog. 

I'm hoping the Judge can pull it out although I can't think of a more ridiculous waste of time than coming out against same sex marriage.



http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/board,62.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/board,62.0.html)

   The Poll Room can be a lot of fun, @Emjay keep in mind @Wingnut moderates it, that should make any girl smile or blush.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: truth_seeker on August 12, 2017, 02:33:36 am
You are without doubt the most bitter winner I  have ever encountered in my considerably long lifetime.  Why?

Just pointing out facts, as I see them. Calmly, matter of fact.

Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: truth_seeker on August 12, 2017, 02:35:50 am
   Nice idea @truth_seeker but you'll have to do it, My ability to start polls is still revoked.

Hey boss:

@mystery-ak @corbe

What about the poll I suggested?
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: txradioguy on August 12, 2017, 02:43:16 am
Welcome Freedom928. The #nevertrumps here, hold the numerical advantage. 

But the President's few supporters, put up good fights, nonetheless.

Your attempts to play the victim...especially to a new member...are truly pathetic.

Incessant victim  card use continuious attempts to silence peopel that don't agree with you and false complaints of unfairness drive people away from here.

You should really stop driving away new members.

Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: truth_seeker on August 12, 2017, 02:55:31 am
Your attempts to play the victim...especially to a new member...are truly pathetic.

Incessant victim  card use continuious attempts to silence peopel that don't agree with you and false complaints of unfairness drive people away from here.

You should really stop driving away new members.

And what in the H is your post intended to do? Do you have greater rights to your opinion, than I have to mine?

And I hold my opinion, just as strongly as you hold yours.

Plenty here, have spit venom of Trump's supporters. And continue to do so.

Are you a mod?
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: txradioguy on August 12, 2017, 03:01:33 am
And what in the H is your post intended to do? Do you have greater rights to your opinion, than I have to mine?

Just pointing out what a toothless bully you are.

Why do you constantly try to do things to silence people who disagree with you.

Appearently You think that YOUR opinion should have more weight than anyone else here that doens't agree with you. And you let us know that all the time.

Quote
And I hold my opinion, just as strongly as you hold yours.

You whine like a baby.  There is no opinion in that...just a lot of crying.

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Plenty here, have spit venom of Trump's supporters. And continue to do so.

And remind me again who are the last two people that got banned?

Hint: They weren't blind Trump supporters like yourself.

Quote
Are you a mod?

Only of the Shooting Sports Forum.  Which means I have zero power around here.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Suppressed on August 12, 2017, 01:43:15 pm
To date President Trump has undone 860 bad executive orders by obama ...

How can that be, considering Obama issued only 365 Executive Orders in all?

No offense meant, but that sounds like a typical false claim that Trump propagandists like to make up and get spread around.

In any case, welcome to TBR, @Freedom928.  I hope this doesn't get us off on the wrong foot!
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: txradioguy on August 12, 2017, 01:53:44 pm
I agree. President Trump is doing a fantastic job considering he has a hostile Hatestream Misleadia, a hostile dem party in DC working with a hostile GOPe (establishment deep state swamp creatures) to deal with and millions of dems with a severe case of TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome). Add in an office that leaks like a sieve and it's amazing he's doing so well.

Obummer only had 5 significant accomplishments in the entire 8 years in office. He allowed grown men in dresses to be in the bathroom with your 6 yo daughter, allowed gays and trannies in the military to disable it, pushed through by lying a terrible healthcare bill that's disabling working class families (the ACA only works if you're poor), made public school lunches inedible, and made cops lives unimportant.

To date President Trump has undone 860 bad executive orders by obama so small and large businesses can work and hire employees with confidence of some kind of future going forward. If he can manage to nudge the congress into a o'care repeal; the replacement for it and the budget will go much smoother. We have to figure it would take at least a year to undo all the damage done by the obama Administration. That in itself is a huge win. Add in Gorsuch sworn in as Scalia's replacement Justice; the man is doing pretty darn good so far with everything stacked against him.

And now there's some crazy twerp in N. Korea hiding in his secret bunker for fear of being assassinated because his big mouth wrote checks his butt can't cash without getting himself and his people obliterated from the map. Compared to the hostile congress though; the twerp is a mere nuisance.
(http://i.imgur.com/qFc6S8N.jpg)

Oh boy another Bagdad Bob propagandist.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: txradioguy on August 12, 2017, 01:54:37 pm
How can that be, considering Obama issued only 365 Executive Orders in all?

:2popcorn:
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Cripplecreek on August 12, 2017, 02:01:13 pm
How can that be, considering Obama issued only 365 Executive Orders in all?

No offense meant, but that sounds like a typical false claim that Trump propagandists like to make up and get spread around.

In any case, welcome to TBR, @Freedom928.  I hope this doesn't get us off on the wrong foot!

Executive orders are a poor metric by which to measure presidential performance. They can be don, undone, redone, and re-undone by successive presidents leaving us nowhere.

The fact is that almost all EOs these days are an abuse of presidential powers.

George Washington signed 8 executive orders most of which were simple administrative issues that had virtually no impact on the lives of citizens (Approving the layout of the District of Columbia). One that did have an impact on the citizens was an EO signed in an emergency at a time when it would take weeks to bring congress back into session. (Mustering Troops for the Whiskey Rebellion)
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: kevindavis007 on August 12, 2017, 02:04:25 pm
Executive orders are a poor metric by which to measure presidential performance. They can be don, undone, redone, and re-undone by successive presidents leaving us nowhere.

The fact is that almost all EOs these days are an abuse of presidential powers.

George Washington signed 8 executive orders most of which were simple administrative issues that had virtually no impact on the lives of citizens (Approving the layout of the District of Columbia). One that did have an impact on the citizens was an EO signed in an emergency at a time when it would take weeks to bring congress back into session. (Mustering Troops for the Whiskey Rebellion)


The thing is that Trump could lose in 2020 and a Dem can undo all of Trump's EO. 
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: txradioguy on August 12, 2017, 02:06:07 pm

The thing is that Trump could lose in 2020 and a Dem can undo all of Trump's EO.

At least they can't undo his tweets /sarc
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: kevindavis007 on August 12, 2017, 02:09:39 pm
At least they can't undo his tweets /sarc




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Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 12, 2017, 02:11:22 pm
Oh boy another Bagdad Bob propagandist.

How is this welcoming to a new member?   :pondering:
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Emjay on August 12, 2017, 06:53:40 pm
Maybe!  But he is right as rain as well!

Not an a-hole but should be savvy enough not to give the media ammunition ... not even a BB.  They will drive it through your heart.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Emjay on August 12, 2017, 06:56:23 pm

He praised Putin..

He did not and you know it.  He made an offhand remark that he meant to be funny. 
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Emjay on August 12, 2017, 07:00:18 pm
I agree. President Trump is doing a fantastic job considering he has a hostile Hatestream Misleadia, a hostile dem party in DC working with a hostile GOPe (establishment deep state swamp creatures) to deal with and millions of dems with a severe case of TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome). Add in an office that leaks like a sieve and it's amazing he's doing so well.

Obummer only had 5 significant accomplishments in the entire 8 years in office. He allowed grown men in dresses to be in the bathroom with your 6 yo daughter, allowed gays and trannies in the military to disable it, pushed through by lying a terrible healthcare bill that's disabling working class families (the ACA only works if you're poor), made public school lunches inedible, and made cops lives unimportant.

To date President Trump has undone 860 bad executive orders by obama so small and large businesses can work and hire employees with confidence of some kind of future going forward. If he can manage to nudge the congress into a o'care repeal; the replacement for it and the budget will go much smoother. We have to figure it would take at least a year to undo all the damage done by the obama Administration. That in itself is a huge win. Add in Gorsuch sworn in as Scalia's replacement Justice; the man is doing pretty darn good so far with everything stacked against him.

And now there's some crazy twerp in N. Korea hiding in his secret bunker for fear of being assassinated because his big mouth wrote checks his butt can't cash without getting himself and his people obliterated from the map. Compared to the hostile congress though; the twerp is a mere nuisance.
(http://i.imgur.com/qFc6S8N.jpg)

I like your style.  I hope you continue posting.  You bring a different perspective without sounding like an idiot.

And, as far as I know, no one else has made as good a coined word or words as "Hatestream Misleadia."
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: txradioguy on August 12, 2017, 07:02:44 pm
I like your style.  I hope you continue posting.  You bring a different perspective without sounding like an idiot.

And, as far as I know, no one else has made as good a coined word or words as "Hatestream Misleadia."

You you enjoy someone posting factually inaccurate propaganda?
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Emjay on August 12, 2017, 07:18:03 pm
Exactly right. Justice has fled. Perversity reigns.



No ... perversity exists in excruciatingly small numbers but it certainly doesn't reign. 

It's feasted upon by the press  in order to sell stuff but has no effect on an ordinary person's life. 

A person could, and usually does, go their whole life and never actually encounter a trans-sexual person.

I don't regard being gay as a perversion but gays are a statistically tiny portion of the population, and among that population, gays who want to marry are another tiny portion.

It's nothing to get excited about.

There are far more important things to focus on.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Emjay on August 12, 2017, 07:19:15 pm
*sigh*  Poor Claytie

Not even close. 
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Emjay on August 12, 2017, 07:24:37 pm
You you enjoy someone posting factually inaccurate propaganda?

I said I liked his style and new voices around here should be welcomed.  I didn't notice any factually inaccurate propaganda but then, I tend to scan.

Could you elucidate?
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: roamer_1 on August 12, 2017, 07:36:17 pm
No ... perversity exists in excruciatingly small numbers but it certainly doesn't reign. 

50 million dead babies killed by their mothers in the womb. Nuff said. We have no moral leg to stand upon.

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A person could, and usually does, go their whole life and never actually encounter a trans-sexual person.

I don't regard being gay as a perversion but gays are a statistically tiny portion of the population, and among that population, gays who want to marry are another tiny portion.


Funny how you took that to mean trannys/homosexuality.

Adultery and fornication are just as perverse - They have just been normalized enough that your normalcy bias is engaged.

Homosexuality is indeed an abomination, for which the land will spit you out (as a nation).
But so is adultery. And adultery is so prevalent as to be incidental anymore.

No, perversity reigns.


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It's nothing to get excited about.

There are far more important things to focus on.

No there really isn't. Every ill that plagues this nation is directly attributable to moral turpitude.
none of it will be fixed without fixing the underlying moral decline, which is currently being hailed and honored in our halls of government.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: the_doc on August 12, 2017, 07:39:03 pm
@guitar4jesus
@Bigun
@roamer_1
@kevindavis
@txradioguy
@INVAR
@Sanguine
I can see a candidate pointing out the evil that exists in America but to imply Putin is correct in saying it is quite the political faux pas.
Maybe you're right about this being a political faux pas, but we ought to stipulate that Moore was not really endorsing Putin as a good guy.  Even a guy like Putin can find an acorn of truth every once in a while.  Here's a video of what Putin actually said in 2016:  https://youtu.be/Bee70unn9aM
I think that some of the points Putin made are sociologically profound.  And it appears that Putin is strongly anti-Globalist, at least.

(Do I trust Putin?  No.  But do I think he's correct in the video?  Yes.  And that was Roy Moore's point.)
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Bigun on August 12, 2017, 07:51:06 pm
@guitar4jesus
@Bigun
@roamer_1
@kevindavis
@txradioguy
@INVAR
@Sanguine Maybe you're right about this being a political faux pas, but we ought to stipulate that Moore was not really endorsing Putin as a good guy.  Even a guy like Putin can find an acorn of truth every once in a while.  Here's a video of what Putin actually said in 2016:  https://youtu.be/Bee70unn9aM
I think that some of the points Putin made are sociologically profound.  And it appears that Putin is strongly anti-Globalist, at least.

(Do I trust Putin?  No.  But do I think he's correct in the video?  Yes.  And that was Roy Moore's point.)

Excellent observation and I concur!
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Emjay on August 12, 2017, 08:06:57 pm
50 million dead babies killed by their mothers in the womb. Nuff said. We have no moral leg to stand upon.

Funny how you took that to mean trannys/homosexuality.

Adultery and fornication are just as perverse - They have just been normalized enough that your normalcy bias is engaged.

Homosexuality is indeed an abomination, for which the land will spit you out (as a nation).
But so is adultery. And adultery is so prevalent as to be incidental anymore.

No, perversity reigns.


No there really isn't. Every ill that plagues this nation is directly attributable to moral turpitude.
none of it will be fixed without fixing the underlying moral decline, which is currently being hailed and honored in our halls of government.

See, you totally misunderstand me.

I am passionate about the Pro-Life movement.  I think it weakens our fight against this horror when we focus on the infinitesimal  portion of society with mental illness relating to sexual identity.

If you obsess about that, what about the babies? 
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: guitar4jesus on August 12, 2017, 08:58:04 pm
@guitar4jesus
@Bigun
@roamer_1
@kevindavis
@txradioguy
@INVAR
@Sanguine Maybe you're right about this being a political faux pas, but we ought to stipulate that Moore was not really endorsing Putin as a good guy.  Even a guy like Putin can find an acorn of truth every once in a while.  Here's a video of what Putin actually said in 2016:  https://youtu.be/Bee70unn9aM
I think that some of the points Putin made are sociologically profound.  And it appears that Putin is strongly anti-Globalist, at least.

(Do I trust Putin?  No.  But do I think he's correct in the video?  Yes.  And that was Roy Moore's point.)

Unfortunately, for conservatives in America there's little wiggle room.  I'm not saying this is a fatal mistake but he'd better be careful.  It's not just his opponents he's running against but, as we all know, the press as well and for conservatives there's no quarter given.

Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: roamer_1 on August 12, 2017, 09:10:17 pm
See, you totally misunderstand me.

I am passionate about the Pro-Life movement.  I think it weakens our fight against this horror when we focus on the infinitesimal  portion of society with mental illness relating to sexual identity.

If you obsess about that, what about the babies?

Guess what? I can do both at the same time. Amazing, ain't it?
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: RoosGirl on August 12, 2017, 11:42:00 pm
Guess what? I can do both at the same time. Amazing, ain't it?

Amen to that
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Emjay on August 13, 2017, 03:33:36 am
Guess what? I can do both at the same time. Amazing, ain't it?

You think you can but you're fooling yourself.  If you dissipate your energy on inconsequential actions by mentally ill people you do a couple of things.  You send out a message that you are on the side of the Nanny State.

People do things sexually that are wrong and maybe disgusting to some of us but those things only hurt themselves and have no real consequences in society.

Do you think it is an equal sin and crime to decide you want to change your sex than to kill a baby?

I don't.

I think if conservatives would shut up about all that crapola and really concentrate on getting rid of abortion mills and Planned Parenthood, it would be a really, really good thing.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Emjay on August 13, 2017, 03:40:09 am
See, there's a big difference between being offended and being affected.

Some transgender person parading around on TV does not affect us.  And it doesn't really affect society.

But 50,000 babies being killed in the womb destroys the moral fiber of our country.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: RoosGirl on August 13, 2017, 03:59:49 am
You think you can but you're fooling yourself.  If you dissipate your energy on inconsequential actions by mentally ill people you do a couple of things.  You send out a message that you are on the side of the Nanny State.

People do things sexually that are wrong and maybe disgusting to some of us but those things only hurt themselves and have no real consequences in society.

Do you think it is an equal sin and crime to decide you want to change your sex than to kill a baby?

I don't.

I think if conservatives would shut up about all that crapola and really concentrate on getting rid of abortion mills and Planned Parenthood, it would be a really, really good thing.

There's a big difference between a sin and a crime.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Mom MD on August 13, 2017, 04:00:49 am
See, there's a big difference between being offended and being affected.

Some transgender person parading around on TV does not affect us.  And it doesn't really affect society.

But 50,000 babies being killed in the womb destroys the moral fiber of our country.

If you think the homosexual/transgender movement does not destroy the moral fiber of our country you are kidding yourself.  They are already teaching their brand if sickness to kids as small as kindergarden
in our schools, driving out executives who dare call their perversion what it is, driving businesses out of business who refuse to celebrate their filth, and gaining highly disproportionate representation in our social media and culture.  All moral ills need to be fought against.  And yes we can stand for more than one issue at a time. 
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: RoosGirl on August 13, 2017, 04:01:18 am
See, there's a big difference between being offended and being affected.

Some transgender person parading around on TV does not affect us.  And it doesn't really affect society.

But 50,000 babies being killed in the womb destroys the moral fiber of our country.

Normalizing any kind of bad behavior is bad for society.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: corbe on August 13, 2017, 04:03:05 am
See, there's a big difference between being offended and being affected.

Some transgender person parading around on TV does not affect us.  And it doesn't really affect society.

But 50,000 babies being killed in the womb destroys the moral fiber of our country.

   This is one of the things we disagree on @Emjay, the baby killing factories are just as much as an impediment on our Society as all this Gay crap, they are borne of the same destructive force, and I'm not gonna elaborate.

   Yes I am old fashioned and as some have noted: homophobic, but I still respect your opinions, dear.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Emjay on August 13, 2017, 05:17:09 am
   This is one of the things we disagree on @Emjay, the baby killing factories are just as much as an impediment on our Society as all this Gay crap, they are borne of the same destructive force, and I'm not gonna elaborate.

   Yes I am old fashioned and as some have noted: homophobic, but I still respect your opinions, dear.

I respect yours also and admit to being kinda surprised that you feel this way.

But God sent me a Bible today after he found out I didn't have one and maybe I'll open it.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Sighlass on August 13, 2017, 06:38:44 am
I have had the pleasure of meeting Roy Moore several times in person at Tea Parties meetings. Believe you me, Moore is no Putin fan. Christian Constitution Conservative that means what he says. His defense of the Alabama Constitution was his former job and defend it is what he did. I just love the fellow.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Bigun on August 13, 2017, 09:40:15 am
I have had the pleasure of meeting Roy Moore several times in person at Tea Parties meetings. Believe you me, Moore is no Putin fan. Christian Constitution Conservative that means what he says. His defense of the Alabama Constitution was his former job and defend it is what he did. I just love the fellow.

Sounds like the kind of man who would serve the people of Alabama very well in the United States Senate!
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on August 13, 2017, 09:57:13 am
What a complete idiot. bleep goober.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: kevindavis007 on August 13, 2017, 11:11:28 am
I have had the pleasure of meeting Roy Moore several times in person at Tea Parties meetings. Believe you me, Moore is no Putin fan. Christian Constitution Conservative that means what he says. His defense of the Alabama Constitution was his former job and defend it is what he did. I just love the fellow.


I don't know what is so wonderful about a guy who got fired twice.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Freedom928 on August 13, 2017, 03:35:43 pm
How can that be, considering Obama issued only 365 Executive Orders in all?

You're right, it wasn't EO's it was stifling regulations holding businesses back, and I didn't save the news article I read that in to refer you to. Some were in the EPA and some were policy directives. The problem with these and EO's is some leftist President can come along and reverse it again if they want to be really chitty. During the obummer era we barely got above 1% GDP. The last quarter saw 2.4% if I'm remembering right.

I read a massive amount of news and current events some days so it can get a little jumbled at times.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Freedom928 on August 13, 2017, 03:37:40 pm
Oh boy another Bagdad Bob propagandist.

So to you; telling the truth is propaganda? Okay; I'll try to remember that.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: txradioguy on August 13, 2017, 03:57:16 pm
So to you; telling the truth is propaganda? Okay; I'll try to remember that.

Cutting and pasting Trump propaganda is crap.

Try to remember that.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Blizzardnh on August 13, 2017, 04:36:56 pm
I have had the pleasure of meeting Roy Moore several times in person at Tea Parties meetings. Believe you me, Moore is no Putin fan. Christian Constitution Conservative that means what he says. His defense of the Alabama Constitution was his former job and defend it is what he did. I just love the fellow.
:amen:
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Blizzardnh on August 13, 2017, 04:39:32 pm

I don't know what is so wonderful about a guy who got fired twice.
Why don't you read up on the guy and then come back and tell us what you learned. You seem not to know much about his history.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: roamer_1 on August 13, 2017, 05:04:35 pm
You think you can but you're fooling yourself.  If you dissipate your energy on inconsequential actions by mentally ill people you do a couple of things. 

@Emjay
my 'energy' is not 'dissipated'. The Father renews me day by day.


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You send out a message that you are on the side of the Nanny State.

Oh horse crap! It's the Nanny State that promotes it. As an instance, I'll GLADLY stand in Federalism with 2/3rds of the states that wrote laws banning gay marriage, It is YOU that is standing with unaccountable, un-elected, black-robed judges who wrote gay marriage into law by fiat. Just like abortion, by the way. It is the Federal government that is doing it...

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People do things sexually that are wrong and maybe disgusting to some of us but those things only hurt themselves and have no real consequences in society.

Oh, you mean like the consequences of bastard children and single-parent homes? Just two generations ago, divorce was unthinkable. bastard children were a shame. Now single-parent homes and bastard kids are the biggest drag there is on the welfare system. That's all about people doing things that are sexually wrong.

This culture has become toxic to families and the raising of children. It celebrates sin and depravity, protects it and prefers it. The homo crap you defend is nothing but an extension of that. And the children who are growing up in it are so confused as to not even know what sex they are, or what bathroom to use.

Think of all the pain those children will go through and how much pain they will cause, before life beats this nonsense out of them enough to get a clue... if they don't get killed along the way. THAT is the product of this liquid-gender shit that this culture praises - and which you call inconsequential.

The basis and purpose of all society is marriage and the raising of children. And the very foundations are being washed away. It doesn't get more consequential than that.

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Do you think it is an equal sin and crime to decide you want to change your sex than to kill a baby?

Sin is sin. break one tenet of Torah and you have broken them all. And in that aggregate, YES, the crimes are comparable.

Celebrating homosexual culture, which preys on the young and steals their lives is just as certainly the same. As is celebrating the 'free sex' culture, which has destroyed so very many, and left families maimed or ruined. As is celebrating the party-life culture, which spawned them all, to include abortion. It's all the same thing.

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I think if conservatives would shut up about all that crapola and really concentrate on getting rid of abortion mills and Planned Parenthood, it would be a really, really good thing.

You are at crossed purposes. The culture that generates bastard children and causes them to be unwanted is as much causal to the fact as the actual act is. It is all integrated.

In Biblical days the result of depraved free-sex culture was the sacrifice of children, burned on altars. That was 'birth control'. The very same thing is happening today - The wallpaper is different, but it is the very same thing. This culture is toxic to life, to marriage, and to the rearing of children. A people that acts as we do is soul-seared enough to cast their children into the flames, just as they did back then.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: roamer_1 on August 13, 2017, 05:09:53 pm
See, there's a big difference between being offended and being affected.

Some transgender person parading around on TV does not affect us.  And it doesn't really affect society.

But 50,000 babies being killed in the womb destroys the moral fiber of our country.

In that you are PROFOUNDLY in error.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: roamer_1 on August 13, 2017, 05:10:53 pm
If you think the homosexual/transgender movement does not destroy the moral fiber of our country you are kidding yourself.  They are already teaching their brand if sickness to kids as small as kindergarden
in our schools, driving out executives who dare call their perversion what it is, driving businesses out of business who refuse to celebrate their filth, and gaining highly disproportionate representation in our social media and culture.  All moral ills need to be fought against.  And yes we can stand for more than one issue at a time.

BRAVA! Great post!
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Emjay on August 13, 2017, 06:02:11 pm
In that you are PROFOUNDLY in error.

Hey, bad news for you @roamer_1   Just because you think something doesn't make it true and just because you tell me I am in error does not mean I am in error.

See... here's the thing.  I think YOU are in error and I think you're scattering your forces.

But here's something else I think.

There is absolutely Zero point in arguing with you, so let's call it quits.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: RoosGirl on August 13, 2017, 07:15:28 pm
Hey, bad news for you @roamer_1   Just because you think something doesn't make it true and just because you tell me I am in error does not mean I am in error.

See... here's the thing.  I think YOU are in error and I think you're scattering your forces.

But here's something else I think.

There is absolutely Zero point in arguing with you, so let's call it quits.

Except when what you believe is Biblical; then if you believe it, it is true no matter what someone else thinks.

The issue you face, as you have stated before, is that you have some lovely homosexual friends.  And because those friends of yours are lovely people you believe there is no harm in their behavior.  You can, however, like a person and still understand that their behavior as a group is harmful to society.

I have a friend who is very liberal.  I love her and she is one of the nicest people I have ever known.  That does not mean that I don't believe that her behavior, as a liberal and part of a larger group of liberals, is harmful to society.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Emjay on August 13, 2017, 07:47:25 pm
Except when what you believe is Biblical; then if you believe it, it is true no matter what someone else thinks.

The issue you face, as you have stated before, is that you have some lovely homosexual friends.  And because those friends of yours are lovely people you believe there is no harm in their behavior.  You can, however, like a person and still understand that their behavior as a group is harmful to society.

I have a friend who is very liberal.  I love her and she is one of the nicest people I have ever known.  That does not mean that I don't believe that her behavior, as a liberal and part of a larger group of liberals, is harmful to society.

Very sweet, @RoosGirl but one simply cannot use the Bible as an arbiter of truth.  There are so many different versions and different interpretations of all versions.

I've been an Episcopalian for most of my life and, yeah, I know, they are way too liberal for me now but I kept going.

The thing about it is I went to Bible Study every Tuesday morning for more years than I care to name.  Everybody had a different version of the Bible but most of the versions said basically the same thing.  We once spent two hours discussing the parable of the Prodigal Son and, with 3 priests in the room, we could not agree on exactly what Jesus was trying to tell us with that story.

Somebody on this forum attempted to insult me by using a verse from Corinthians and I suddenly realized that, even if I wanted to look it up, I couldn't.  I left everything behind including all my Bibles.  I mentioned that in a post and God read it.

The next morning He sent me a Bible.  He had to use a Jehovah's Witness lady to do it, but I now have a Bible.

I love God and I believe in him, but I don't believe the Bible is intended as a tool to beat people up.

If you want to go Bible, Jesus said much more about adultery than he ever did about homosexuality.  In fact, I have a Bible now and can look it up, but I don't believe he said anything about homosexuality.

He also said, 'let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.'  Everyone slipped away at that point, except a few people on this forum.

So ... there we are.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: RoosGirl on August 13, 2017, 08:10:53 pm


He also said, 'let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.'  Everyone slipped away at that point, except a few people on this forum.

So ... there we are.

Yeah, that doesn't mean everyone should just do whatever the hell they want or be excused from doing whatever the hell the want.

I am LCMS.  The LCMS website is pretty thorough and has a lot of resources covering pretty much every topic you would want to ask.  This link specifically will open a PDF that answers your statement of Jesus not addressing homosexuality in the Bible.  That's not exactly true.

www.lcms.org/Document.fdoc?src=lcm&id=3503
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: txradioguy on August 13, 2017, 08:19:53 pm
Yeah, that doesn't mean everyone should just do whatever the hell they want or be excused from doing whatever the hell the want.

I am LCMS.  The LCMS website is pretty thorough and has a lot of resources covering pretty much every topic you would want to ask.  This link specifically will open a PDF that answers your statement of Jesus not addressing homosexuality in the Bible.  That's not exactly true.

www.lcms.org/Document.fdoc?src=lcm&id=3503

IIRC there is a passage in Matthew where Jesus instructs the disciples to honor the word and teachings of his Father as if they were his own.

And the OT is very clear on Homosexuality being a sin.

So that being said...
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: RoosGirl on August 13, 2017, 08:21:43 pm
IIRC there is a passage in Matthew where Jesus instructs the disciples to honor the word and teachings of his Father as if they were his own.

And the OT is very clear on Homosexuality being a sin.

So that being said...

That's right.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: the_doc on August 13, 2017, 08:27:55 pm
That's right.
A  more precise statement of txradioguy's point is that people must follow the words of God His Father because they were and are the Words of God the Son. 
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: roamer_1 on August 13, 2017, 08:31:07 pm


The thing about it is I went to Bible Study every Tuesday morning for more years than I care to name.  Everybody had a different version of the Bible but most of the versions said basically the same thing.  We once spent two hours discussing the parable of the Prodigal Son and, with 3 priests in the room, we could not agree on exactly what Jesus was trying to tell us with that story.

That should tell you something.
Maybe one should go where people actually know what he is saying and learn from them.
Or read the Book for yourself in a clear light without the traditions you have inherited.
There are not multiple truths. There is one.
What is in the way is always the 'traditions of men'.

The more fundamental the church, the more clear the interpretation. The reason for that is that they let the Book speak for itself.

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If you want to go Bible, Jesus said much more about adultery than he ever did about homosexuality.  In fact, I have a Bible now and can look it up, but I don't believe he said anything about homosexuality.

Yeshua said to do and keep Torah. Everything he said was centered in that. Torah says no homo. Period. An abomination. Just like adultery. The land will spit you (addressed to nations) out.

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He also said, 'let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.'  Everyone slipped away at that point, except a few people on this forum.

So ... there we are.

That doesn't mean what you think it means. You might want to dig into it and find out who has the right to cast the first stone, and what was wrong with the proceedings... But then, that'd be Torah... The FRONT of the Book.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Chosen Daughter on August 13, 2017, 08:35:00 pm
Very sweet, @RoosGirl but one simply cannot use the Bible as an arbiter of truth.  There are so many different versions and different interpretations of all versions.

I've been an Episcopalian for most of my life and, yeah, I know, they are way too liberal for me now but I kept going.

The thing about it is I went to Bible Study every Tuesday morning for more years than I care to name.  Everybody had a different version of the Bible but most of the versions said basically the same thing.  We once spent two hours discussing the parable of the Prodigal Son and, with 3 priests in the room, we could not agree on exactly what Jesus was trying to tell us with that story.

Somebody on this forum attempted to insult me by using a verse from Corinthians and I suddenly realized that, even if I wanted to look it up, I couldn't.  I left everything behind including all my Bibles.  I mentioned that in a post and God read it.

The next morning He sent me a Bible.  He had to use a Jehovah's Witness lady to do it, but I now have a Bible.

I love God and I believe in him, but I don't believe the Bible is intended as a tool to beat people up.

If you want to go Bible, Jesus said much more about adultery than he ever did about homosexuality.  In fact, I have a Bible now and can look it up, but I don't believe he said anything about homosexuality.

He also said, 'let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.'  Everyone slipped away at that point, except a few people on this forum.

So ... there we are.
 

Wow, from Episcopalian without a Bible to Jehovah Witness in one full swoop! 

Of course the Bible mentions infidelity.  It mentions every sin a person could do.  It is supposed to.  Most of us are glad when we go to church and the Holy Spirit convicts us of our sins.  It is a time of self reflection that leads to repentance.  And that is the point.  No repentance if you don't believe you are a sinner.  And believe me homosexuals are.  And I can be certain that it isn't their only sin.  We are all sinners.  The difference being that nobody has tried to remove other sins from the Bible just to make people comfortable with their sin.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Chosen Daughter on August 13, 2017, 08:48:32 pm
"That's the very argument that Vladimir Putin makes," Lewis pointed out.

And so did Trump make the same argument.  To compare America to Russia is irreprehensible.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/pence-senators-respond-after-trump-compares-us-to-putin/2017/02/05/fab1a598-ebdc-11e6-a100-fdaaf400369a_video.html?utm_term=.d179bad10022

And Pence could try to explain it away but he said it.  Quite apparent why Trump would approve of Moore.

I remember the issue involving the removal of Ten Commandments.  I supported Moore but I would not support this kind of comparison.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Chosen Daughter on August 13, 2017, 08:57:33 pm
Very sweet, @RoosGirl but one simply cannot use the Bible as an arbiter of truth.  There are so many different versions and different interpretations of all versions.

I've been an Episcopalian for most of my life and, yeah, I know, they are way too liberal for me now but I kept going.

The thing about it is I went to Bible Study every Tuesday morning for more years than I care to name.  Everybody had a different version of the Bible but most of the versions said basically the same thing.  We once spent two hours discussing the parable of the Prodigal Son and, with 3 priests in the room, we could not agree on exactly what Jesus was trying to tell us with that story.

Somebody on this forum attempted to insult me by using a verse from Corinthians and I suddenly realized that, even if I wanted to look it up, I couldn't.  I left everything behind including all my Bibles.  I mentioned that in a post and God read it.

The next morning He sent me a Bible.  He had to use a Jehovah's Witness lady to do it, but I now have a Bible.

I love God and I believe in him, but I don't believe the Bible is intended as a tool to beat people up.

If you want to go Bible, Jesus said much more about adultery than he ever did about homosexuality.  In fact, I have a Bible now and can look it up, but I don't believe he said anything about homosexuality.

He also said, 'let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.'  Everyone slipped away at that point, except a few people on this forum.

So ... there we are.

We once spent two hours discussing the parable of the Prodigal Son and, with 3 priests in the room, we could not agree on exactly what Jesus was trying to tell us with that story.

That's pretty sad.  I always thought that was a very straight forward passage in the Bible.  One that speaks to every person who has strayed and come back for redemption.  The value that Christ has for the sinner.  The white robe and the feast.  What do you think it means?  Just wondering.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Emjay on August 13, 2017, 09:02:59 pm
Yeah, that doesn't mean everyone should just do whatever the hell they want or be excused from doing whatever the hell the want.

I am LCMS.  The LCMS website is pretty thorough and has a lot of resources covering pretty much every topic you would want to ask.  This link specifically will open a PDF that answers your statement of Jesus not addressing homosexuality in the Bible.  That's not exactly true.

www.lcms.org/Document.fdoc?src=lcm&id=3503

If it take some kind of esoteric search to find what Jesus thought about homosexuality, I'm thinking it wasn't top of his agenda.

How about the Parable of the Good Samaritan?  What do you think Jesus was trying to teach us? 

Samaritans were a despised people in those days and considered evil.  Jesus use a Samaritan to try to teach his disciples that people should be judged by their actions, not their reputation.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Emjay on August 13, 2017, 09:07:58 pm
We once spent two hours discussing the parable of the Prodigal Son and, with 3 priests in the room, we could not agree on exactly what Jesus was trying to tell us with that story.

That's pretty sad.  I always thought that was a very straight forward passage in the Bible.  One that speaks to every person who has strayed and come back for redemption.  The value that Christ has for the sinner.  The white robe and the feast.  What do you think it means?  Just wondering.

That is the surface lesson, of course.  But what about the faithful son.  A lot of people identified with him.  Was Jesus telling us that just being faithful people is not worthy of appreciation and a feast.  One Priest said the Father was the hero of the story as he represents God who forgives everything.

We can find many meanings in the parables.  I'm not gonna spend all day arguing Bible passages with you, although I probably could.

I just don't like it when people use the Bible to justify their own hate, prejudice and hypocrisy.

Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Emjay on August 13, 2017, 09:13:08 pm
IIRC there is a passage in Matthew where Jesus instructs the disciples to honor the word and teachings of his Father as if they were his own.

And the OT is very clear on Homosexuality being a sin.

So that being said...

Oh, come on, @txradioguy ... please don't drag us down into the Old Testament and please don't try to Out-Bible me.  Even before God sent the Witness with the Bible to me, I knew the Bible.  Lord knows I studied it enough and with Biblical scholars and priests.

Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: RoosGirl on August 13, 2017, 09:16:30 pm
If it take some kind of esoteric search to find what Jesus thought about homosexuality, I'm thinking it wasn't top of his agenda.

How about the Parable of the Good Samaritan?  What do you think Jesus was trying to teach us? 

Samaritans were a despised people in those days and considered evil.  Jesus use a Samaritan to try to teach his disciples that people should be judged by their actions, not their reputation.

Again, like I said before, you have homo friends you love and therefore have chosen to close your eyes and ears to what is there if you are willing to look and hear.  Your choice.  I pretty much knew you would not read that PDF; you are too comfortable where you are to consider a Biblical point of view on the subject.  I have no need to go from parable to parable and move away from my last post to you.  It's all there in black and white with references to exact Bible passages that support the view that Jesus did indeed care about homosexuality.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 13, 2017, 09:17:46 pm
That is the surface lesson, of course.  But what about the faithful son.  A lot of people identified with him.  Was Jesus telling us that just being faithful people is not worthy of appreciation and a feast.  One Priest said the Father was the hero of the story as he represents God who forgives everything.

We can find many meanings in the parables.  I'm not gonna spend all day arguing Bible passages with you, although I probably could.

I just don't like it when people use the Bible to justify their own hate, prejudice and hypocrisy.

 :thumbsup: @Emjay
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: roamer_1 on August 13, 2017, 09:30:45 pm
Yeah, that doesn't mean everyone should just do whatever the hell they want or be excused from doing whatever the hell the want.

I am LCMS.  The LCMS website is pretty thorough and has a lot of resources covering pretty much every topic you would want to ask.  This link specifically will open a PDF that answers your statement of Jesus not addressing homosexuality in the Bible.  That's not exactly true.

www.lcms.org/Document.fdoc?src=lcm&id=3503

That was a great article.

Concise, and right on the money.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: roamer_1 on August 13, 2017, 09:57:28 pm
I just don't like it when people use the Bible to justify their own hate, prejudice and hypocrisy.

Bullsh*t.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Chosen Daughter on August 13, 2017, 10:00:39 pm
That is the surface lesson, of course.  But what about the faithful son.  A lot of people identified with him.  Was Jesus telling us that just being faithful people is not worthy of appreciation and a feast.  One Priest said the Father was the hero of the story as he represents God who forgives everything.

We can find many meanings in the parables.  I'm not gonna spend all day arguing Bible passages with you, although I probably could.

I just don't like it when people use the Bible to justify their own hate, prejudice and hypocrisy.

In my own words.  Of course the Father is the good one.  The Father is a good, good Father.  Loving and kind.  Full of Mercy and Grace.  And that of course is the story.  That there is no sin that  can separate us from the love of God.  We could do all the things that the Prodigal Son did.  We would see ourselves unworthy.  But Christ died on the cross so that we could have salvation.  That we could share in the Wedding Feast.  That we could be clothed in white Robes regardless of our filthy rags.

The brother may have been faithful but he was jealous and lacked mercy and grace.  He didn't understand the importance God places on lost sheep.  He didn't understand the Father.  You could compare a lot of religious people to the brother.

Here is commentary to read.  Its about redemption.

http://www.christianity.com/bible/commentary.php?com=mhc&b=42&c=15
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: txradioguy on August 13, 2017, 10:13:10 pm
Oh, come on, @txradioguy ... please don't drag us down into the Old Testament and please don't try to Out-Bible me.  Even before God sent the Witness with the Bible to me, I knew the Bible.  Lord knows I studied it enough and with Biblical scholars and priests.

Not trying to "out Bible" anyone. Just pointing out what Jesus said to his disciples about the word of the Father.

He cautioned them not to think that his teachings anyway superceded what was taught in the OT. If anything what Jesus taught was a reinforcement of the OT.

Perhaps that witness with the Bible needs to revisit you for a refresher.

Your attempts to justify and excuse perversion shows the lessons you learned either didn't take or you've substituted something else for what you learned out of expedience. 

And I guess I should point out that I seriously doubt that God or Jesus would approve of someone who claims to know the Bible in such an expert manner as yourself to try and use that supposed knowledge to make yourself appear to be better than someone or to belittle them.

Pride goeth before the fall...

Just sayin...  :blank:
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: RoosGirl on August 13, 2017, 10:22:31 pm
That was a great article.

Concise, and right on the money.

I love the LCMS website.  They really have sound information on every issue with references to the Bible verse that supports what is written.  Things are easy to find and easy to read.  And why re-write what someone else has already written and written better than I ever could. :)
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: roamer_1 on August 13, 2017, 10:24:58 pm
I love the LCMS website.  They really have sound information on every issue with references to the Bible verse that supports what is written.  Things are easy to find and easy to read.  And why re-write what someone else has already written and written better than I ever could. :)

Yep. It didn't seem 'esoteric' to me at all. Straightforward and to the point.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Oceander on August 13, 2017, 10:30:43 pm
Just

:facepalm2:
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Freedom928 on August 14, 2017, 03:20:34 am
Cutting and pasting Trump propaganda is crap.

Try to remember that.
Okay, I know your type, all BS no substance.

That is what I will remember.

Are you ready for grade school yet?
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Freedom928 on August 14, 2017, 03:23:03 am
Just pointing out what a toothless bully you are.

Why do you constantly try to do things to silence people who disagree with you.

Appearently You think that YOUR opinion should have more weight than anyone else here that doens't agree with you. And you let us know that all the time.

You whine like a baby.  There is no opinion in that...just a lot of crying.

And remind me again who are the last two people that got banned?

Hint: They weren't blind Trump supporters like yourself.

Only of the Shooting Sports Forum.  Which means I have zero power around here.

Wow! You really are a brat. People like you generally don't last long on these forums. Too abrasive yet bring nothing to the table.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: HonestJohn on August 14, 2017, 03:43:14 am
Wow! You really are a brat. People like you generally don't last long on these forums. Too abrasive yet bring nothing to the table.

18 posts and you say that.

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Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Freedom928 on August 14, 2017, 05:18:02 am
18 posts and you say that.

Eighteen posts here; tens of thousands elsewhere.

LOL. See how I did that. Nice and small without taking up all kinds of extra space. Oops; did I say that after only 19 posts? Shame on me.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: Bigun on August 14, 2017, 01:14:40 pm
Eighteen posts here; tens of thousands elsewhere.

LOL. See how I did that. Nice and small without taking up all kinds of extra space. Oops; did I say that after only 19 posts? Shame on me.

@Freedom928

Welcome to TBR!  You are doing just fine!  Don't let the few resident jackasses around here put you off as there are plenty of reasonably sane people posting here as well!
 
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: txradioguy on August 14, 2017, 01:19:46 pm
Wow! You really are a brat. People like you generally don't last long on these forums. Too abrasive yet bring nothing to the table.

Project much?  I think so.
Title: Re: Alabama Senate hopeful: 'You could say that' America today is evil
Post by: txradioguy on August 14, 2017, 01:20:21 pm
18 posts and you say that.

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 :silly:

@HonestJohn John


He just doesn't know does he?